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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Luscious Bryant. How's it going, Chuck? Sounding funny

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Speaker 1: the second time around? Josh actually had to do two

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Speaker 1: takes there, and to hear your name as luscious twice

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Speaker 1: in a row, he was very special. What did it

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Speaker 1: do to you? Made me feeluscious? I guess I'm doing well, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm pretty good? What are happen to?

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Speaker 1: Luscious Jackson? Remember them? Yeah? They were good. They were

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Speaker 1: around the same time as uh Good Beast you boys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they're all buddies. Yeah yeah, I think one of

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Speaker 1: them produced their album or something. She Loving Special Sauce.

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Speaker 1: That's who I was thinking. I was a huge fan

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Speaker 1: picked up and you're like, just I think just kind

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Speaker 1: of lost interest after the third seed or something. Gotcha anyway, Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: Chuck equals luxious Jackson fan just just in. Also, I'm

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Speaker 1: thick tongued case you had People always ask if Josh

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Speaker 1: eats things while we podcast, and that is not true.

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Speaker 1: It has a real effect on my happiness. Yes, good

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Speaker 1: lead in. No, that's not the lead in. I was

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Speaker 1: just trying to psych you out. The seemingly uniquely American

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Speaker 1: tradition of killing census bureau workers has begun again in

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Speaker 1: the just ahead of the two thousand ten census. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: are they are they doing that now? Yeah, it's about

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Speaker 1: that time. No one's ever knocked on my door. There

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Speaker 1: was a guy named Bill Sparkman, aft one year old

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Speaker 1: Census Bureau employee. Um, I think it's just a worker,

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Speaker 1: like he was just getting work as a census taker. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They found his body hanging from a tree in her cemetery, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and the word fed was growled across it. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a new kind of hate crime. Yes, well, no, it's

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Speaker 1: not a new Census Bureau workers get killed every everything census. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird thing to do,

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Speaker 1: but I hope they get paid. Well. Some people don't

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Speaker 1: like their privacy being invaded or their land being stepped on.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to knock on my door, brother, Um,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you a place where there are census

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Speaker 1: Bu Bhutan. You know, they had their first census just

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Speaker 1: like four years ago. Is that right? Bhutan has been

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Speaker 1: undergoing a lot of changes lately, there, chuckers Um. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the king abdicated his throne in

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Speaker 1: favor of a parliamentary democracy. Very popular, huge, Yeah, beloved,

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Speaker 1: his small I think the census was six nine thousand people,

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Speaker 1: Is that it? Yeah, he wanted to make them happy.

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Speaker 1: called gross national happiness. Awesome. That sounds familiar, doesn't remember that, listener, Male,

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Speaker 1: I'm the girl who was clearly headed to Yale that

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Speaker 1: own school to find out how happy the fellow students were. Yeah. Cool,

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Speaker 1: the the Butanies are into the same thing. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: try and pronounce his name, Yes, the King Jigmai Singhay

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Speaker 1: wang Chuck. I got the whang chuck part, definitely. They

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Speaker 1: said you could call him dragon King. Okay, they meaning

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. By the thing, um, back in

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Speaker 1: This is that they've taken well, we'll we'll break this down, yes, okay. Basically,

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Speaker 1: So what they came up with, Chuck, was a basically

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Speaker 1: nine guiding principles toward happiness. Right, Yes, I actually have

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Speaker 1: can't find my cherry loves that joke? Uh? Time use,

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Speaker 1: just amazing how much money they make. But you you

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Speaker 1: grow your lifestyle to fit your salary to a large degree.

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Speaker 1: Not always, my friend, you were talking about the hedonic treadmill.

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Speaker 1: So basically, they're uh, come on, have you heard those

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Speaker 1: two words put together before? Yeah, all the time. Don't

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Speaker 1: you see my T shirt? It's so yeah, that's right there,

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Speaker 1: silly drawing. I thought so too. Um. You grow to

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Speaker 1: fit your your your your lifestyle grows to fit your salary.

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Speaker 1: So if you make twenty dollars a day, your expenses,

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Speaker 1: or let's say thirty dollars a month, your expenses are

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Speaker 1: gonna be you know, they're gonna match that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this, Well, no, I know what you mean. Let's

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Speaker 1: say uh, let's say an example. I've read in an

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Speaker 1: article from the San Diego Union Tribune, a sterling article

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Speaker 1: actually on happiness. It's called pursuing happiness. Um. This guy

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Speaker 1: makes the example of um winning the lottery and moving

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Speaker 1: to uh Rancho Santa Fe, which I take is one

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Speaker 1: of the nicer suburbs in San Diego. I guess okay. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says that when you do that, you go from

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Speaker 1: the how did I get this lucky type of happiness

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Speaker 1: to living among similar wealth, so it becomes your normal

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Speaker 1: everyday life wears off another argumentum against money bringing happiness

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Speaker 1: is that a lot of times it leads to um

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Speaker 1: poor choices. Apparently about forty of our happiness if you

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Speaker 1: look at it in a pie graph. Um ten percent

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Speaker 1: is life circumstances, fifty is um jenes genetic, they believe,

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Speaker 1: And then is our our choices that the happiness or

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Speaker 1: unhappiness or choices bring us. And one of the points

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Speaker 1: is like, okay, let's say, um, commuting is almost across

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Speaker 1: the board like one of our least favorite things to

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Speaker 1: do as human beings. Right, Um, But you make a

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Speaker 1: bunch more money, so you move out to the suburbs

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Speaker 1: in a into a bigger house. But you've also just

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Speaker 1: doubled or tripled your commute. But then you buy the

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Speaker 1: BMW seven series, see your drive as a lot sweeter.

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Speaker 1: But then it costs for the tune up. Sure, it's all,

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Speaker 1: it's all. It's all comes out in the wash. You know.

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Speaker 1: The point I think that you and I are inevitably

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Speaker 1: going towards stumbling, towards faltering um is that you just

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Speaker 1: shouldn't take money quite so seriously, that's good. I find

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Speaker 1: it interesting. And we've set up a thing in this

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Speaker 1: country where you can never go backward. It's all about

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Speaker 1: going forward with the Peter principle. Yeah, well with money

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Speaker 1: though too, Like when um like in a divorce case,

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Speaker 1: you always hear the whether it's a husband or the

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Speaker 1: wife that's rich and the one that's asking for the

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Speaker 1: spousal support. The point has always made while I've got

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Speaker 1: this lifestyle now and then I need to get the

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Speaker 1: forty dollars a month from you to to stay at

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Speaker 1: this lifestyle. The thought of going back is just unthinkable

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Speaker 1: in this country. It is money wise, if you think

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Speaker 1: about it. Stockbrokers don't don't um tend to throw themselves

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Speaker 1: out of windows when they make a bunch of money.

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Speaker 1: It's only when they lose it. Right. But I'm I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's drastic. But you think why, I mean, why

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Speaker 1: can't you just you know, all right, I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: a job that pays less and I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: little less. Some people make this choice, you know what

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Speaker 1: I think some people do, and I would like to

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Speaker 1: hear from them, anybody who's made that decision right us

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Speaker 1: and tell us are you happy and what you did?

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Speaker 1: But the courts support it with that divorce thing. They think, well,

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Speaker 1: now you've got this lifestyle and you must stay at

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Speaker 1: that level. You cannot drop your lifestyle whatsoever. Right, And

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Speaker 1: that is that definitely does UM underscore or that social

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Speaker 1: agreement that materialism is what we're into. Yeah, yeah, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: let's see, since I said materialism is what we're into,

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Speaker 1: that means that I should tell you to go to

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. You can type in gross

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Speaker 1: national happiness in our handy search bar, and you might

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Speaker 1: also want to read another article on the site. UM

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Speaker 1: can any by happiness, right, which means what chuck? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I got just one more quick thing. You know, there

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Speaker 1: was an earthquake totally. There was an earthquake in Bhutan

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Did you know that. I didn't. Yeah, everybody, okay,

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Speaker 1: six point three they've twelve people at least are dead

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Speaker 1: and wrecked a bunch of you know, ancient monasteries and yeah,

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Speaker 1: which are like built on the mountain side. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I imagine they came tumbling down. Just very sad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is sad. So I just want to say, hello,

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Speaker 1: if we have any fans in Bhuton. We might have

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Speaker 1: one fan of Bhutan. Yeah, the internet, it is all right?

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Speaker 1: Well with that sad news. I guess it's time for

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Speaker 1: a listener mail. It is listener mail Josh. And this

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Speaker 1: is uh just a couple of quick shoutouts. This came

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Speaker 1: from Amelia and Jerry thought it was a good idea

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Speaker 1: to plug it, so we will. Um. It's a website

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Speaker 1: called free rice dot com. And apparently what you do

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Speaker 1: there is you go online at this website and you

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Speaker 1: answer vocabulary questions and it's like a game. You play

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Speaker 1: these games where you answer tribute questions and uh participate

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Speaker 1: and when you get these questions right, they donate rice

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Speaker 1: to the needy around the world. So it's like a

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Speaker 1: little interactive way I guess of getting people involved and uh,

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Speaker 1: ten grains of rice per correct answer. And um, the

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Speaker 1: website today said over sixty eight billion grains of rice

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Speaker 1: have been donated today. Do you imagine the poor slob

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Speaker 1: whose job it is to count out every single one

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Speaker 1: of those grains? May be symbolic, maybe not, do you

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Speaker 1: think now you're you're staring blankly. So thanks Amelia for that,

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Speaker 1: and that is a worthy cause indeed. And then I

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Speaker 1: wanted to give a special shout out to Ben, our

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Speaker 1: listener from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Ben and

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Speaker 1: I've been writing. He, at the age of twenty, was

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Speaker 1: diagnosed with a form of lukemi that I cannot pronounce.

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Speaker 1: He said, it's evidently the good kind, even though after

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Speaker 1: hearing what he's been going through, it didn't sound like it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They were gonna have a bone marrow transplant for Ben,

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Speaker 1: but they could not find a match in eleven million

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Speaker 1: person database, and so he has been approved. His chemotherapy

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Speaker 1: um sorry, radiation worked and he's going to have an

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Speaker 1: umbilical cord blood transplant. And he's been traveling I think

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Speaker 1: he said something like eighty miles each way every day

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Speaker 1: for like a two minute radiation. And he's been listening

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Speaker 1: to our podcast, which is why he wrote in and

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Speaker 1: that's been helping him out. And we just and Ben's

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Speaker 1: a really cool guy, dude. His attitude is like leaps

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Speaker 1: and bounds ahead of ours. His outlook on life isn't. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was one of those perspective shots where Ben is

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Speaker 1: just and he's like, oh, man, don't feel bad for me,

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Speaker 1: because I told him I felt really awful about it.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, I didn't picture this is my life,

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Speaker 1: but it's what I've been dealt and I'm dealing with

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Speaker 1: it and everything's everything's gonna be okay. And uh so

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Speaker 1: he was a proof for the Uh he was admitted

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Speaker 1: last Wednesday for the transplant and it's a six week

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Speaker 1: hospital stay and then a two year recovery period. And

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Speaker 1: and he said that, uh, the one thing that he's

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Speaker 1: loved as our podcast and hydromorphone he's become fond of,

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00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: which is uh what the pain killer they've been giving him? Okay,

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Speaker 1: And he said that he found out later heroin addics

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Speaker 1: use it as a substitute because has similar effects. Heroin

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Speaker 1: addicts will use anything as a substitute. Sure, and so Ben,

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Speaker 1: we hope you're well. I hope you're listening. Our thoughts

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Speaker 1: are with you obviously and calling for you. Please keep

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Speaker 1: us posted. Huh yeah, he will cool. Will you keep

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