WEBVTT - Six Shocking Stories - Meat Off The Bone 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:23.680 Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:21.280 Hi. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.680 Everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get into 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.599 this week's six shocking stories. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.960 So we're starting off with a pretty strong one. When 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.240 I was reading my notes last night, I was just like, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.080 this is so messed up. I don't like looking for. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.360 I know, I was considering texting you and just saying like, hey, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.480 why don't we put this in the middle, Maybe because 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.120 it's kind of a like a graphic one to start 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.320 off with, but most of most of our listeners will 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:47.400 probably enjoy it. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.880 Yeah, all right, So police were called to this home 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.080 after some neighbors were not able to get a hold 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.160 of their neighbor. So when they got to the house, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.680 they walked into one of the most horrific scenes I 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.720 think we've ever covered in the Grossroom and recovered on 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:01.960 the podcast in general. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.360 Yeah, when they walked in, they found this woman who 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.559 was actively she had already what appeared to be killed 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.600 her mother, but she was actively cutting the tissue off 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.000 of the bones of her leg, like literally taking the 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.440 skin off the bone of her leg. That's what cops 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.920 walked into seeing. Yeah, So basically to visualize this. It's 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:31.360 like this woman is laying face down on this bathroom floor, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.759 and first of all, she's missing her head as well, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.920 which is like a whole other, whole other story, but 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.399 we'll get there. So just to visualize this crime scene photo, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.640 it's this woman laying face down and basically, like all 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.440 you see is there's just her hip, like all of 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.240 her skin is intact from her neck to her hip, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.480 and then all of a sudden, on one of her 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.760 legs there's just bone, and then there's her whole foot. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:58.600 It is. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:01:59.920 It's really disturbing. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.520 I don't even think my description is doing it, just 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.240 as how horrible this looks. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.840 It's also very weird because there's a pan of some sort, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.600 like a big pan slash bucket thing next to her 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.680 that has all of the skin thigh muscle from her 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.880 leg in it next to it. I don't even know 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.280 if you notice that, because you're too busy looking at 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.760 the actual disturbing photo. But could you imagine I just 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.920 like I can't imagine being a cop and just walking 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:27.440 into that. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.280 No, And like to your point, I can't give detectives 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.520 enough credit, you know, because if I walked in on 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.280 a scene like that, Like like that picture you're talking about, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.880 all I'm focusing on is the body, right, I'm not 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.400 even looking at anything around it and what's going on 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.600 around it. So I don't know. I just think it's 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.040 kind of weird, like why are you saving the chunks 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.239 of flesh? 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.919 I don't know, like in a separate bucket, Like why 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.639 didn't she just throw them on the floor or something? 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.080 But I think I don't know. I think that not 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.760 that I'm a cop, but I've worked in a similar 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.839 field where it's every single day you wake up and 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.400 you never know what to expect. And I think those 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.720 kinds of jobs are super exciting because you don't It's 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.760 not like an office job that you know, Okay, I 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:16.440 have to do these twenty tasks today of filing paperwork 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.359 or writing up things or whatever. It's like every day 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.040 you walk in and it's you never know what you're 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.840 gonna get. So one day you might be pulling someone 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.360 over for speeding, and then the next day you walk 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.840 into a room and see a woman cutting off in 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.680 flash of her mom. You know, just you never know 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:34.399 what you're gonna say. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.320 Yeah, So, getting back to the missing head story, they 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.040 found it in a pot on the countertop, so I 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.840 don't know if she was planning on cooking it or something, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.840 but it was just casually sitting in a large pot 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.840 with a lid on it. Yeah, that's also a disturbing picture. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.280 I can't really see it one hundred percent, but just 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.520 based on looking at the margin that's exposed, which is 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.960 where the woman cut her head off, it looks as 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.560 if it was done after she was dead, because there's 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.440 no bleeding and the soft tissues and everything. So I 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.880 guess that's a positive thing. Because we talked about a 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.600 case a couple of weeks ago where where another I 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.240 believe it was a daughter right caught off her mom's head. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.880 It's either a daughter or a son, but it appeared 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.040 that she was still alive when it happened, so at 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.039 least there's that silver lining in this story. Yeah, and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.359 the daughter had admitted to police that she was schizophrenic. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.200 She said, I'm schizophrenic. My mother attacked me and cast 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.840 a spell. So obviously nobody knows what's going on through 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.760 the brain of a person dealing with that. One of 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.719 the worst parts of the story is the mom had 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.640 filed a police report saying that she thought her daughter 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.440 would kill her, so they had that on record, which 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:47.200 is really sad. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.000 Yeah, and a lot of times we hear these stories 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.920 that we're talking about, a person is saying that they're schizophrenic, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.040 and I think often in those cases it's these kind 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.520 of weird cases of not just killing someone, it's this 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.919 extra overkilling and doing weird things with body parts and 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:12.680 stuff like that. But in general, schizophrenia is not is 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.240 not seen in you know, a lot of people that 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.400 commit murders, so it's only in about ten less than 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.880 ten percent of people that commit murders are either schizophrenic 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.239 or bipolar or something like that. It is seen more 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:36.920 commonly in people that do mass killings, which is interesting, right, Yeah, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.200 But believe it or not, what do you think psychological 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:46.000 disorder is most commonly seen in people who who murder? 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.280 Well, I would I would say schizophrenia or. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:57.599 Psychopath right, So, yeah, so anti social personality disorder has 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.279 been linked to especially most silly serial clearers have that 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.440 in common. So there is there's a difference because a 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.560 personality disorder isn't the same as what you would call 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.400 a brain disorder like schizophrenia or bipolar. Okay, so that's 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.640 how you could tell the difference between them. But antisocial 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.360 personality disorder is it's a person that doesn't show any 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.120 regards for right or wrong. They're often mean to people 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.960 and evil to people and don't really feel any remorse 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.120 or feel bad for how they treat people. So if 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:35.520 you know anyone like that. But yeah, that it's schizophrenia 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.680 is just we just hear about it more in these stories, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.159 but it actually isn't like people that are schizophrenic don't 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.880 just go and kill people all the time. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.720 So something else I thought was really interesting was the 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.400 article that you had written in the gross room said 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.520 that she had some prior medical knowledge, which is where 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.240 she kind of knew amatonic anatomically where to cut the body. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.920 Yeah, so that is interesting. I guess she worked in 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.200 an emergency room and they thought that it was interesting 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.920 how easily they that she cut off her head as 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.400 well as cut the meat off of her bone. Literally, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.120 I mean you could say that. I know, there's always 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.440 been cases of that. There was cases where they were 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.240 finding homeless people years back and saying that the way 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.360 that they were killed, they were kind of dissected and 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.840 it looked like medical students had done it, but I 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.120 don't know in this case, like people cut off people's 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.120 heads all the time that have no medical knowledge. I 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.760 mean she had. She had a butcher knife, a hatchet 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.800 thing like. It's just anybody could really do it if 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.080 they wanted to. But this is actually an interesting side note. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.480 So when I was teaching gross anatomy years back, I 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.520 wanted to dissect one of the legs of the cadavers 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.800 to show the students how to how we would do 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.240 it if we got an amputation in the lab. Right, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.760 So I thought, Okay, I'm going to cut this cadaver's 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.240 leg off and make it like an amputation that would 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.680 be received in the lab. So I walked over there 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.600 with a scalpel blade, only thinking, okay, this is gonna 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.200 I'm not exactly sure how this is going to go, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.440 because obviously I've never actually cut someone's leg off, right, yeah, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.520 And I grab it and the students are all watching me, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.360 and I took my scalpel blade and literally, with two swipes, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.240 I just cut this guy's leg right off, like it 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.120 was that easily. And it, I mean, obviously it's because 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.040 I know anatomy and I knew the right spot to go, 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.200 but I still didn't think it was going to be 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.520 that simple, just with a tiny little blade, and I 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.680 was like, wow, we were all kind of like, holy shit, 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:47.760 that's really creepy. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:49.720 Were they all looking at you? 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.520 And you were like, yes, yes, but I mean it, 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:55.400 it was. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:55.840 It was. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.400 It's cool because the way that I like to teach 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.520 gross anatomy, especially to PA students, was like, Okay, we 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.800 don't really need to sit here and study all of 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.719 the exact muscle attachments and all this stuff that you 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.120 would if you were like a physical therapy student or 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:16.040 even a medical student, because the majority of amputations that 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.560 we get are for gangreine or even tumors or anything. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.160 But we need to look for certain things, especially the 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.120 blood vessels. And I would find that most PA students 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.600 would start and not know even where they were, which 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.120 is like, what's the point of taking anatomy if you 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.520 don't really know what we do with it? 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:32.280 Yeah? 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.880 So yeah, that was fun. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.760 Yeah, oh my god. Right, Well, at the end of 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.400 it and everything, she was admitted to a mental health facility, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.920 so hopefully she was getting the treatment and she's in 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.280 a safer environment for herself as well. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.640 At the end of that I wonder in cases like this, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.800 if you have diagnosed schizophrenia and you're not on medications 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.680 or it's not controlled, what happens once you get medicated 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.200 and you're thinking more normally and clearly. Is this something 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.080 that you feel terrible remorse for or you know, because 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.320 once it hits reality and you're thinking more like a 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.320 normal person would think, I'm curious how you would feel 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:12.839 about that. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.120 I mean, one would only hope that it works in 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.040 a way where you're essentially blacked out during the action, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.160 So maybe you don't have direct memories of that, but 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.160 you're aware it happened obviously. Yeah, But that's all I 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.240 could hope for, is that because of the disorder, that 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.080 something in your brain blocks it out, that when you're 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.560 like when the fog is clear, that you don't remember 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.800 specifics about what happens, you're not reliving that trauma daily, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.080 because I feel like that would contribute to getting worse. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.080 Yeah, I can't even imagine. No. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.200 Our next story, so that one's called meat off the 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.040 Bone for anybody looking for the pictures in the gross room. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.320 So our next story was submitted by a listener, And 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.280 this one's a little bit of a long one, but 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.280 it's certainly one of the craziest ones. So our listener 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.960 had got married in December of twenty twenty and when 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.720 her new husband moved in, he brought two female dogs 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.160 along with him. Personally, for me, that would be a 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.880 deal breaker. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.480 Right, I mean, she she knew that that was coming. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:12.880 I guess. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:13.040 So. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:13.760 Yeah. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.880 So after a couple months, the dogs get into a 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.080 fight and each of them grabbed one of the dogs. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.600 Her husband had grabbed a larger dog, and she grabbed 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.400 the smaller dog. So even though they had a hold 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.880 of both of the dogs, they just kept fighting and 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.520 snapping at each other, and eventually the bigger dog ended 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.880 up biting our listener on her hand. So she said 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.160 that even though she only had a couple of visible 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.880 dog bites and a small drop of blood, she completely 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.480 lost function in her hand, to which everybody thought she 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.439 was being dramatic about. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.400 Yeah, and you know that that happens. I guess. There 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.920 was a room full of people and they were like, relax, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.200 you have a dot on your hand and a drop 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.080 of blood, so and it's not that big of a deal. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.960 Yeah, And this happened at nighttime, and she thought about 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.680 going to the emergency room or urgent care. But everybody 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.719 knows the hassle of going to the er and then 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.680 your whole family's telling you you're fine. So she was like, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.480 all right, I'll just kind of I'll just go to 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.120 bed and see what plays out in the morning. So 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.080 she said, in the middle of the night, she woke 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.880 up and it was such excruciating pain. So right when 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.760 urgent care opened in the morning, she went there. At 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.920 urgent Care, they gave her an X ray and they 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.040 didn't see anything. They put her on some antibiotics, and 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.640 she kind of just went on her way. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.160 Yeah, so I don't know urgent care. I had a 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.680 similar thing happened to me when I partially amputated my 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.560 finger when I was being lazy and using a knife 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.360 to cut a zip tie instead of going in the 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.520 house and getting a pair of scissors. But when I 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.959 went to urgent care, I told you, like, I almost 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.320 fainted from the pain of it. And it wasn't it 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.080 wasn't really a bad incision, right, didn't look terrible. I mean, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.600 you could see some of my subcutaneous tissue coming out, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.959 but it wasn't anything crazy. But it hurts so bad. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.280 And when I went, They same thing, they X rayed 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.680 your bone's fine, it's not, but it's still hurt so bad. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.439 For days weeks. I finally went to a hand surgeon 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.280 and he's like, yeah, you severed your nerve in half, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.040 and like, what are we going to do about it now? 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:10.600 You know? 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.560 So I think that there's a certain level of like 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.920 urgent care just looks like, hey, your bone's not broken, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.880 there's nothing we could do for you here, kind of 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.120 move on. So and also we have to keep in 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.559 mind the dates that we're talking about right now. This 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.560 was a February twenty twenty one, so we were only 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.080 about a year into the pandemic, and anyone that's had 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.800 medical care in the past four years, especially during that time, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.679 knows that the only thing that mattered was COVID, right 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:44.199 like anything else, Just like doctors just became completely fixated. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.160 Some doctors came completely fixated on COVID and just like 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.680 couldn't think of anything else for whatever reason. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.760 Yeah, and so over the next couple of weeks, she 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.199 was going in and out of several different hospitals. Nobody 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.920 could figure out what was wrong with her. She was 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.040 consulting with hands, they were giving her all these different 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.600 antibiotics and pain killers and all this stuff, and nobody 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.680 could figure out what was wrong with her. And this 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.280 whole time you know her. It goes from her hand 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.800 swelling to going halfway up her arm to the point 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.320 where they were drawing a line on her arm to 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.160 see if it was going past where it was swollen before. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.280 Did you ever have to do this with a spider bite? 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.920 No, no, I never did. But when Pop Pop had MRSA, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.600 we did that with him and it was crazy how 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.080 much it grew up his arm. The thing is is 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.800 that they did recognize that she had an infection. They 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.160 just they kept giving her MRIs and imaging and stuff, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.560 and they said that she had a weird infection in 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.040 her tendon, but they couldn't figure out what the bacteria 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.120 was that was causing it. So they were pumping her 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.320 full of antibiotics, and at one point she was on 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.480 nine different antibiotics and it still wasn't going away. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.600 And because so they were also admitting her overnight in 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.280 some of these cases, and sometimes for several days, and 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.960 because it was COVID, she wasn't allowed to have any visitors. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.800 So she's like in the hospital all by herself dealing 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.640 with this, and it's super scary because. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.360 Getting tested for COVID every single time she goes by 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.880 the way, because that was the only thing that mattered. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.080 Yeah, So I don't know, it was just so so 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.320 all over the place. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.360 Yeah. So, like I said, they were testing or for 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.040 COVID testing or for everything else, but what were they 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:32.280 not testing her for pregnancy? Yeah? So anytime a woman, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.359 especially of child bearing age, is going to the hospital 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.640 and is either getting exposed to radiation between X rays 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.080 and MRI or CT scans or anything like that. And 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:49.400 another thing is is if they're getting drugs like hardcore drugs, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.440 antibiotics that are not advised to be used in pregnancy, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.239 and painkillers that are not advised to be used in pregnancy, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.800 the first thing that they should do when you get 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.160 to the hospital is do a pregnancy test to make 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.200 sure that all of those tests are and medications are 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:06.920 safe for you to use. Yeah. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.960 And she even said at one point in one of 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.000 her many hospital visits that somebody had asked her if 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.960 she was pregnant, and she said it was a possibility 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.760 she had just gotten married, right, But at no point 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.000 did anybody actually test her for it. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.520 Yeah, So it turns out after all of this, I 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.160 mean it was it was months later after the initial injury, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.480 it turns out she was pregnant the entire time. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.040 Yeah, and then just after a couple of weeks, it 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.040 just it just kind of went away and she was 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.880 able to use her hand again as normal. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:42.760 Like I don't, yeah, completely crazy and luckily like her 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:47.000 daughter was born and is healthy and she doesn't have 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.680 any issues. But there's reasons why they tell you that 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.040 you can't have radiation or you really need to limit 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.200 it when you're pregnant, because it can affect the fetus. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.400 The fetus could be born with malforma that it increases 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.360 their risk of cancer when they grow up. It could 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.600 cause miscarriagters, all these different things. And they do do 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.160 radiation tests on people sometimes in the hospital when they're 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.640 pregnant because it's one of those you know, the risks 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.840 or the benefits outweigh the risk kind of thing. I mean, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.800 people break bones all the time and stuff, but it's 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.800 like you really want to limit it as much as 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.800 possible or do other tests that don't have as much radiation. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.800 But the drugs are also a thing too. Yeah, in pregnancies. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.320 There's classes of drugs, so they have ABCD and x 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.000 X as drugs you shouldn't take during pregnancy because they're 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.720 known to cause problems with defeatus, miscarriage and things like that. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.960 And some of these medications that she was on were 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.359 in classes of drugs that they would not give pregnant people. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.600 So she's very lucky that everything worked out well for her. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.280 So at the end of it, what do you think happened? 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:00.840 It just went away by itself. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.240 Well, it's a similar thing that we talk about, for example, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.640 with Lucea she had. I was writing about this yesterday 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.879 because we were talking about Glenn Frye from the Banned 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.479 Eagles in our Celebrity Death dissection this week, and he 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.399 had rheumatat arthritis and may have possibly died as a 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.359 result of the medications he was on. And my daughter 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.240 was on similar medications for an autoimmune bone disorder. She 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.200 ended up getting psoriasis, and then because she was considered 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.119 immuno suppressed from those medications, she picked up a weird 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.320 fungal infection in one of her psoriasis plaques. Because her 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.119 immune system wasn't strong enough to fight off that. But 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:48.680 she developed that wound and it was an active, nasty, 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.879 angry wound for about almost a year, with multiple trips, biopsies, this, that, 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.280 and the other. She was on so many different antibiotics, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:03.600 anti fungal creams, medications, oral medications, and nothing was really 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.439 taking care of it. But then one day it just 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:11.400 started going away. So sometimes, especially with like fungal infections, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.520 they take away longer time to respond to the medications 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.640 and heal. So I don't know if they actively saw 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.199 she had an infection, why they didn't go in and 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.280 do surgery and try to culture it to see what 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.320 the actual organism was. I mean, that would make the 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.080 most sense unless they didn't feel they could safely do 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:36.320 that for whatever reason. I don't know anything because I 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.120 wasn't there, but it just it makes the most sense 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.560 that it was happening during COVID time, because I think 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.520 that people just like weren't thinking straight. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.960 Yeah for sure. Okay, this next story. In the early 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.679 two thousands, Taiwan was facing an epidemic of SARS. So 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.760 first you want to explain what that is for everyone. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.440 Sars is is It's like COVID. It's the same kind thing. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.120 I remember when I was working at the hospital around 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.600 the time when I first graduated school, there was a 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.720 big outbreak of it. And since the hospital I worked 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.600 out was close to Chinatown, it was like there was 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.359 a lot of people in Chinatown that were wearing masks 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.040 all the time. And you know, now, of course that's 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.240 kind of normal to see, but back then it was 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.520 just like, why are all these people wearing masks? Yeah, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.760 oh there's you know, something crazy is going on over 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.399 there and whatever. But so it was, but it was 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.720 the same level of panic, especially over there. It didn't 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.760 really become a thing over here, but it was the 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.119 same level of panic. So think about all of the 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.159 crazy shit stories you heard of people doing during the 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.439 COVID pandemic. It was the same thing with sars. Okay, So, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.360 in this case, this forty five year old woman had 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.840 come to the belief that alcohol could prevent SARS, so 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.400 she went to the most extreme level, which was filling 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.080 a whole bathtub with alcohol and then summer herself inside 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.000 of it. Yeah, so she took this bath of alcohol 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:09.320 at eleven o'clock at night, and the following morning slash afternoon, 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.119 at eleven o'clock, her family had found her dead in 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:17.199 the bathtub, she was not submerged underwater, and at autopsy 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.040 there was no signs that she drowned. There was barely 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.040 even any fluid in her stomach, and the way that 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.640 the bathtub was set up, it just wasn't really possible 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.080