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Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 3: Everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get into
Speaker 3: this week's six shocking stories.
Speaker 2: So we're starting off with a pretty strong one. When
Speaker 2: I was reading my notes last night, I was just like,
Speaker 2: this is so messed up. I don't like looking for.
Speaker 3: I know, I was considering texting you and just saying like, hey,
Speaker 3: why don't we put this in the middle, Maybe because
Speaker 3: it's kind of a like a graphic one to start
Speaker 3: off with, but most of most of our listeners will
Speaker 3: probably enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So police were called to this home
Speaker 2: after some neighbors were not able to get a hold
Speaker 2: of their neighbor. So when they got to the house,
Speaker 2: they walked into one of the most horrific scenes I
Speaker 2: think we've ever covered in the Grossroom and recovered on
Speaker 2: the podcast in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they walked in, they found this woman who
Speaker 3: was actively she had already what appeared to be killed
Speaker 3: her mother, but she was actively cutting the tissue off
Speaker 3: of the bones of her leg, like literally taking the
Speaker 3: skin off the bone of her leg. That's what cops
Speaker 3: walked into seeing. Yeah, So basically to visualize this. It's
Speaker 3: like this woman is laying face down on this bathroom floor,
Speaker 3: and first of all, she's missing her head as well,
Speaker 3: which is like a whole other, whole other story, but
Speaker 3: we'll get there. So just to visualize this crime scene photo,
Speaker 3: it's this woman laying face down and basically, like all
Speaker 3: you see is there's just her hip, like all of
Speaker 3: her skin is intact from her neck to her hip,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, on one of her
Speaker 3: legs there's just bone, and then there's her whole foot.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It's really disturbing.
Speaker 2: I don't even think my description is doing it, just
Speaker 2: as how horrible this looks.
Speaker 3: It's also very weird because there's a pan of some sort,
Speaker 3: like a big pan slash bucket thing next to her
Speaker 3: that has all of the skin thigh muscle from her
Speaker 3: leg in it next to it. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if you notice that, because you're too busy looking at
Speaker 3: the actual disturbing photo. But could you imagine I just
Speaker 3: like I can't imagine being a cop and just walking
Speaker 3: into that.
Speaker 2: No, And like to your point, I can't give detectives
Speaker 2: enough credit, you know, because if I walked in on
Speaker 2: a scene like that, Like like that picture you're talking about,
Speaker 2: all I'm focusing on is the body, right, I'm not
Speaker 2: even looking at anything around it and what's going on
Speaker 2: around it. So I don't know. I just think it's
Speaker 2: kind of weird, like why are you saving the chunks
Speaker 2: of flesh?
Speaker 3: I don't know, like in a separate bucket, Like why
Speaker 3: didn't she just throw them on the floor or something?
Speaker 3: But I think I don't know. I think that not
Speaker 3: that I'm a cop, but I've worked in a similar
Speaker 3: field where it's every single day you wake up and
Speaker 3: you never know what to expect. And I think those
Speaker 3: kinds of jobs are super exciting because you don't It's
Speaker 3: not like an office job that you know, Okay, I
Speaker 3: have to do these twenty tasks today of filing paperwork
Speaker 3: or writing up things or whatever. It's like every day
Speaker 3: you walk in and it's you never know what you're
Speaker 3: gonna get. So one day you might be pulling someone
Speaker 3: over for speeding, and then the next day you walk
Speaker 3: into a room and see a woman cutting off in
Speaker 3: flash of her mom. You know, just you never know
Speaker 3: what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, getting back to the missing head story, they
Speaker 2: found it in a pot on the countertop, so I
Speaker 2: don't know if she was planning on cooking it or something,
Speaker 2: but it was just casually sitting in a large pot
Speaker 2: with a lid on it. Yeah, that's also a disturbing picture.
Speaker 2: I can't really see it one hundred percent, but just
Speaker 2: based on looking at the margin that's exposed, which is
Speaker 2: where the woman cut her head off, it looks as
Speaker 2: if it was done after she was dead, because there's
Speaker 2: no bleeding and the soft tissues and everything. So I
Speaker 2: guess that's a positive thing. Because we talked about a
Speaker 2: case a couple of weeks ago where where another I
Speaker 2: believe it was a daughter right caught off her mom's head.
Speaker 2: It's either a daughter or a son, but it appeared
Speaker 2: that she was still alive when it happened, so at
Speaker 2: least there's that silver lining in this story. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: the daughter had admitted to police that she was schizophrenic.
Speaker 2: She said, I'm schizophrenic. My mother attacked me and cast
Speaker 2: a spell. So obviously nobody knows what's going on through
Speaker 2: the brain of a person dealing with that. One of
Speaker 2: the worst parts of the story is the mom had
Speaker 2: filed a police report saying that she thought her daughter
Speaker 2: would kill her, so they had that on record, which
Speaker 2: is really sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of times we hear these stories
Speaker 3: that we're talking about, a person is saying that they're schizophrenic,
Speaker 3: and I think often in those cases it's these kind
Speaker 3: of weird cases of not just killing someone, it's this
Speaker 3: extra overkilling and doing weird things with body parts and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But in general, schizophrenia is not is
Speaker 3: not seen in you know, a lot of people that
Speaker 3: commit murders, so it's only in about ten less than
Speaker 3: ten percent of people that commit murders are either schizophrenic
Speaker 3: or bipolar or something like that. It is seen more
Speaker 3: commonly in people that do mass killings, which is interesting, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: But believe it or not, what do you think psychological
Speaker 3: disorder is most commonly seen in people who who murder?
Speaker 2: Well, I would I would say schizophrenia or.
Speaker 3: Psychopath right, So, yeah, so anti social personality disorder has
Speaker 3: been linked to especially most silly serial clearers have that
Speaker 3: in common. So there is there's a difference because a
Speaker 3: personality disorder isn't the same as what you would call
Speaker 3: a brain disorder like schizophrenia or bipolar. Okay, so that's
Speaker 3: how you could tell the difference between them. But antisocial
Speaker 3: personality disorder is it's a person that doesn't show any
Speaker 3: regards for right or wrong. They're often mean to people
Speaker 3: and evil to people and don't really feel any remorse
Speaker 3: or feel bad for how they treat people. So if
Speaker 3: you know anyone like that. But yeah, that it's schizophrenia
Speaker 3: is just we just hear about it more in these stories,
Speaker 3: but it actually isn't like people that are schizophrenic don't
Speaker 3: just go and kill people all the time.
Speaker 2: So something else I thought was really interesting was the
Speaker 2: article that you had written in the gross room said
Speaker 2: that she had some prior medical knowledge, which is where
Speaker 2: she kind of knew amatonic anatomically where to cut the body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that is interesting. I guess she worked in
Speaker 3: an emergency room and they thought that it was interesting
Speaker 3: how easily they that she cut off her head as
Speaker 3: well as cut the meat off of her bone. Literally,
Speaker 3: I mean you could say that. I know, there's always
Speaker 3: been cases of that. There was cases where they were
Speaker 3: finding homeless people years back and saying that the way
Speaker 3: that they were killed, they were kind of dissected and
Speaker 3: it looked like medical students had done it, but I
Speaker 3: don't know in this case, like people cut off people's
Speaker 3: heads all the time that have no medical knowledge. I
Speaker 3: mean she had. She had a butcher knife, a hatchet
Speaker 3: thing like. It's just anybody could really do it if
Speaker 3: they wanted to. But this is actually an interesting side note.
Speaker 3: So when I was teaching gross anatomy years back, I
Speaker 3: wanted to dissect one of the legs of the cadavers
Speaker 3: to show the students how to how we would do
Speaker 3: it if we got an amputation in the lab. Right,
Speaker 3: So I thought, Okay, I'm going to cut this cadaver's
Speaker 3: leg off and make it like an amputation that would
Speaker 3: be received in the lab. So I walked over there
Speaker 3: with a scalpel blade, only thinking, okay, this is gonna
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure how this is going to go,
Speaker 3: because obviously I've never actually cut someone's leg off, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I grab it and the students are all watching me,
Speaker 3: and I took my scalpel blade and literally, with two swipes,
Speaker 3: I just cut this guy's leg right off, like it
Speaker 3: was that easily. And it, I mean, obviously it's because
Speaker 3: I know anatomy and I knew the right spot to go,
Speaker 3: but I still didn't think it was going to be
Speaker 3: that simple, just with a tiny little blade, and I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, we were all kind of like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: that's really creepy.
Speaker 2: Were they all looking at you?
Speaker 3: And you were like, yes, yes, but I mean it,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It's cool because the way that I like to teach
Speaker 3: gross anatomy, especially to PA students, was like, Okay, we
Speaker 3: don't really need to sit here and study all of
Speaker 3: the exact muscle attachments and all this stuff that you
Speaker 3: would if you were like a physical therapy student or
Speaker 3: even a medical student, because the majority of amputations that
Speaker 3: we get are for gangreine or even tumors or anything.
Speaker 3: But we need to look for certain things, especially the
Speaker 3: blood vessels. And I would find that most PA students
Speaker 3: would start and not know even where they were, which
Speaker 3: is like, what's the point of taking anatomy if you
Speaker 3: don't really know what we do with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Right, Well, at the end of
Speaker 2: it and everything, she was admitted to a mental health facility,
Speaker 2: so hopefully she was getting the treatment and she's in
Speaker 2: a safer environment for herself as well.
Speaker 3: At the end of that I wonder in cases like this,
Speaker 3: if you have diagnosed schizophrenia and you're not on medications
Speaker 3: or it's not controlled, what happens once you get medicated
Speaker 3: and you're thinking more normally and clearly. Is this something
Speaker 3: that you feel terrible remorse for or you know, because
Speaker 3: once it hits reality and you're thinking more like a
Speaker 3: normal person would think, I'm curious how you would feel
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, one would only hope that it works in
Speaker 2: a way where you're essentially blacked out during the action,
Speaker 2: So maybe you don't have direct memories of that, but
Speaker 2: you're aware it happened obviously. Yeah, But that's all I
Speaker 2: could hope for, is that because of the disorder, that
Speaker 2: something in your brain blocks it out, that when you're
Speaker 2: like when the fog is clear, that you don't remember
Speaker 2: specifics about what happens, you're not reliving that trauma daily,
Speaker 2: because I feel like that would contribute to getting worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even imagine. No.
Speaker 2: Our next story, so that one's called meat off the
Speaker 2: Bone for anybody looking for the pictures in the gross room.
Speaker 2: So our next story was submitted by a listener, And
Speaker 2: this one's a little bit of a long one, but
Speaker 2: it's certainly one of the craziest ones. So our listener
Speaker 2: had got married in December of twenty twenty and when
Speaker 2: her new husband moved in, he brought two female dogs
Speaker 2: along with him. Personally, for me, that would be a
Speaker 2: deal breaker.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, she she knew that that was coming.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So after a couple months, the dogs get into a
Speaker 2: fight and each of them grabbed one of the dogs.
Speaker 2: Her husband had grabbed a larger dog, and she grabbed
Speaker 2: the smaller dog. So even though they had a hold
Speaker 2: of both of the dogs, they just kept fighting and
Speaker 2: snapping at each other, and eventually the bigger dog ended
Speaker 2: up biting our listener on her hand. So she said
Speaker 2: that even though she only had a couple of visible
Speaker 2: dog bites and a small drop of blood, she completely
Speaker 2: lost function in her hand, to which everybody thought she
Speaker 2: was being dramatic about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that that happens. I guess. There
Speaker 3: was a room full of people and they were like, relax,
Speaker 3: you have a dot on your hand and a drop
Speaker 3: of blood, so and it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this happened at nighttime, and she thought about
Speaker 2: going to the emergency room or urgent care. But everybody
Speaker 2: knows the hassle of going to the er and then
Speaker 2: your whole family's telling you you're fine. So she was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'll just kind of I'll just go to
Speaker 2: bed and see what plays out in the morning. So
Speaker 2: she said, in the middle of the night, she woke
Speaker 2: up and it was such excruciating pain. So right when
Speaker 2: urgent care opened in the morning, she went there. At
Speaker 2: urgent Care, they gave her an X ray and they
Speaker 2: didn't see anything. They put her on some antibiotics, and
Speaker 2: she kind of just went on her way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know urgent care. I had a
Speaker 3: similar thing happened to me when I partially amputated my
Speaker 3: finger when I was being lazy and using a knife
Speaker 3: to cut a zip tie instead of going in the
Speaker 3: house and getting a pair of scissors. But when I
Speaker 3: went to urgent care, I told you, like, I almost
Speaker 3: fainted from the pain of it. And it wasn't it
Speaker 3: wasn't really a bad incision, right, didn't look terrible. I mean,
Speaker 3: you could see some of my subcutaneous tissue coming out,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't anything crazy. But it hurts so bad.
Speaker 3: And when I went, They same thing, they X rayed
Speaker 3: your bone's fine, it's not, but it's still hurt so bad.
Speaker 3: For days weeks. I finally went to a hand surgeon
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, you severed your nerve in half,
Speaker 3: and like, what are we going to do about it now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So I think that there's a certain level of like
Speaker 3: urgent care just looks like, hey, your bone's not broken,
Speaker 3: there's nothing we could do for you here, kind of
Speaker 3: move on. So and also we have to keep in
Speaker 3: mind the dates that we're talking about right now. This
Speaker 3: was a February twenty twenty one, so we were only
Speaker 3: about a year into the pandemic, and anyone that's had
Speaker 3: medical care in the past four years, especially during that time,
Speaker 3: knows that the only thing that mattered was COVID, right
Speaker 3: like anything else, Just like doctors just became completely fixated.
Speaker 3: Some doctors came completely fixated on COVID and just like
Speaker 3: couldn't think of anything else for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so over the next couple of weeks, she
Speaker 2: was going in and out of several different hospitals. Nobody
Speaker 2: could figure out what was wrong with her. She was
Speaker 2: consulting with hands, they were giving her all these different
Speaker 2: antibiotics and pain killers and all this stuff, and nobody
Speaker 2: could figure out what was wrong with her. And this
Speaker 2: whole time you know her. It goes from her hand
Speaker 2: swelling to going halfway up her arm to the point
Speaker 2: where they were drawing a line on her arm to
Speaker 2: see if it was going past where it was swollen before.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have to do this with a spider bite?
Speaker 3: No, no, I never did. But when Pop Pop had MRSA,
Speaker 3: we did that with him and it was crazy how
Speaker 3: much it grew up his arm. The thing is is
Speaker 3: that they did recognize that she had an infection. They
Speaker 3: just they kept giving her MRIs and imaging and stuff,
Speaker 3: and they said that she had a weird infection in
Speaker 3: her tendon, but they couldn't figure out what the bacteria
Speaker 3: was that was causing it. So they were pumping her
Speaker 3: full of antibiotics, and at one point she was on
Speaker 3: nine different antibiotics and it still wasn't going away.
Speaker 2: And because so they were also admitting her overnight in
Speaker 2: some of these cases, and sometimes for several days, and
Speaker 2: because it was COVID, she wasn't allowed to have any visitors.
Speaker 2: So she's like in the hospital all by herself dealing
Speaker 2: with this, and it's super scary because.
Speaker 3: Getting tested for COVID every single time she goes by
Speaker 3: the way, because that was the only thing that mattered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, it was just so so
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like I said, they were testing or for
Speaker 3: COVID testing or for everything else, but what were they
Speaker 3: not testing her for pregnancy? Yeah? So anytime a woman,
Speaker 3: especially of child bearing age, is going to the hospital
Speaker 3: and is either getting exposed to radiation between X rays
Speaker 3: and MRI or CT scans or anything like that. And
Speaker 3: another thing is is if they're getting drugs like hardcore drugs,
Speaker 3: antibiotics that are not advised to be used in pregnancy,
Speaker 3: and painkillers that are not advised to be used in pregnancy,
Speaker 3: the first thing that they should do when you get
Speaker 3: to the hospital is do a pregnancy test to make
Speaker 3: sure that all of those tests are and medications are
Speaker 3: safe for you to use. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she even said at one point in one of
Speaker 2: her many hospital visits that somebody had asked her if
Speaker 2: she was pregnant, and she said it was a possibility
Speaker 2: she had just gotten married, right, But at no point
Speaker 2: did anybody actually test her for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it turns out after all of this, I
Speaker 3: mean it was it was months later after the initial injury,
Speaker 3: it turns out she was pregnant the entire time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just after a couple of weeks, it
Speaker 2: just it just kind of went away and she was
Speaker 2: able to use her hand again as normal.
Speaker 3: Like I don't, yeah, completely crazy and luckily like her
Speaker 3: daughter was born and is healthy and she doesn't have
Speaker 3: any issues. But there's reasons why they tell you that
Speaker 3: you can't have radiation or you really need to limit
Speaker 3: it when you're pregnant, because it can affect the fetus.
Speaker 3: The fetus could be born with malforma that it increases
Speaker 3: their risk of cancer when they grow up. It could
Speaker 3: cause miscarriagters, all these different things. And they do do
Speaker 3: radiation tests on people sometimes in the hospital when they're
Speaker 3: pregnant because it's one of those you know, the risks
Speaker 3: or the benefits outweigh the risk kind of thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: people break bones all the time and stuff, but it's
Speaker 3: like you really want to limit it as much as
Speaker 3: possible or do other tests that don't have as much radiation.
Speaker 3: But the drugs are also a thing too. Yeah, in pregnancies.
Speaker 3: There's classes of drugs, so they have ABCD and x
Speaker 3: X as drugs you shouldn't take during pregnancy because they're
Speaker 3: known to cause problems with defeatus, miscarriage and things like that.
Speaker 3: And some of these medications that she was on were
Speaker 3: in classes of drugs that they would not give pregnant people.
Speaker 3: So she's very lucky that everything worked out well for her.
Speaker 2: So at the end of it, what do you think happened?
Speaker 2: It just went away by itself.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a similar thing that we talk about, for example,
Speaker 3: with Lucea she had. I was writing about this yesterday
Speaker 3: because we were talking about Glenn Frye from the Banned
Speaker 3: Eagles in our Celebrity Death dissection this week, and he
Speaker 3: had rheumatat arthritis and may have possibly died as a
Speaker 3: result of the medications he was on. And my daughter
Speaker 3: was on similar medications for an autoimmune bone disorder. She
Speaker 3: ended up getting psoriasis, and then because she was considered
Speaker 3: immuno suppressed from those medications, she picked up a weird
Speaker 3: fungal infection in one of her psoriasis plaques. Because her
Speaker 3: immune system wasn't strong enough to fight off that. But
Speaker 3: she developed that wound and it was an active, nasty,
Speaker 3: angry wound for about almost a year, with multiple trips, biopsies, this, that,
Speaker 3: and the other. She was on so many different antibiotics,
Speaker 3: anti fungal creams, medications, oral medications, and nothing was really
Speaker 3: taking care of it. But then one day it just
Speaker 3: started going away. So sometimes, especially with like fungal infections,
Speaker 3: they take away longer time to respond to the medications
Speaker 3: and heal. So I don't know if they actively saw
Speaker 3: she had an infection, why they didn't go in and
Speaker 3: do surgery and try to culture it to see what
Speaker 3: the actual organism was. I mean, that would make the
Speaker 3: most sense unless they didn't feel they could safely do
Speaker 3: that for whatever reason. I don't know anything because I
Speaker 3: wasn't there, but it just it makes the most sense
Speaker 3: that it was happening during COVID time, because I think
Speaker 3: that people just like weren't thinking straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Okay, this next story. In the early
Speaker 2: two thousands, Taiwan was facing an epidemic of SARS. So
Speaker 2: first you want to explain what that is for everyone.
Speaker 3: Sars is is It's like COVID. It's the same kind thing.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was working at the hospital around
Speaker 3: the time when I first graduated school, there was a
Speaker 3: big outbreak of it. And since the hospital I worked
Speaker 3: out was close to Chinatown, it was like there was
Speaker 3: a lot of people in Chinatown that were wearing masks
Speaker 3: all the time. And you know, now, of course that's
Speaker 3: kind of normal to see, but back then it was
Speaker 3: just like, why are all these people wearing masks? Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh there's you know, something crazy is going on over
Speaker 3: there and whatever. But so it was, but it was
Speaker 3: the same level of panic, especially over there. It didn't
Speaker 3: really become a thing over here, but it was the
Speaker 3: same level of panic. So think about all of the
Speaker 3: crazy shit stories you heard of people doing during the
Speaker 3: COVID pandemic. It was the same thing with sars. Okay, So,
Speaker 3: in this case, this forty five year old woman had
Speaker 3: come to the belief that alcohol could prevent SARS, so
Speaker 3: she went to the most extreme level, which was filling
Speaker 3: a whole bathtub with alcohol and then summer herself inside
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, so she took this bath of alcohol
Speaker 3: at eleven o'clock at night, and the following morning slash afternoon,
Speaker 3: at eleven o'clock, her family had found her dead in
Speaker 3: the bathtub, she was not submerged underwater, and at autopsy
Speaker 3: there was no signs that she drowned. There was barely
Speaker 3: even any fluid in her stomach, and the way that
Speaker 3: the bathtub was set up, it just wasn't really possible
Speaker 3: for her to be one hundred percent underwater. Her head
Speaker 3: was above water. And interesting, they tested the water and
Speaker 3: found that it had forty percent ethanol in it, and
Speaker 3: so when they did the toxicology on her, they found
Speaker 3: that her blood alcohol level was one point three five percent,
Speaker 3: And just to give you a little bit of a comparison,
Speaker 3: zero point four zero percent is considered a fatal blood
Speaker 3: alcohol level. So she was over or three times that
Speaker 3: Jesus right, and which just wouldn't even be possible for
Speaker 3: her to drink that much, but she didn't because there
Speaker 3: wasn't even any fluid in her stomach. And they believed
Speaker 3: that the method that you know, that killed her was
Speaker 3: that it absorbed through her skin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which this article is also saying that that type
Speaker 2: of like absorption like death from that is very rare,
Speaker 2: or intoxication in general through skin absorption is rare. I
Speaker 2: guess remember a couple of years ago, people were like
Speaker 2: soaking tampons in alcohol, Yeah, putting them up there and
Speaker 2: then either I don't know if anybody.
Speaker 3: Getting drunk that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if anybody died from it. I
Speaker 2: know people were getting sick from it, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't often think about you know, if you
Speaker 3: say what's the largest organ in the body and then
Speaker 3: you say, oh, it's skin, people are like get they
Speaker 3: get taken back. They don't think about their skin as
Speaker 3: being an organ. Yeah, and it is, and it could
Speaker 3: absorb medications. There's off medications that are prescribed in like
Speaker 3: the birth control patch, fed in all patches, things like
Speaker 3: that that could just absorb right through the skin. So
Speaker 3: I mean rubbing alcohol in your skin to get your
Speaker 3: blood taken or something like that obviously isn't going to
Speaker 3: cause this, But like immersing your whole entire body in
Speaker 3: ethanol surely killed this woman.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean this is an episoce. I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine how horrible that was to die. And they
Speaker 2: were saying, at some point she was probably so intoxicated
Speaker 2: that she wouldn't have even been able to get out
Speaker 2: of the tub by herself. So even if she realized
Speaker 2: what was happening like it's too late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if that was I mean,
Speaker 3: there's not much information if that was a rumor that
Speaker 3: was going around, if this is the only person that
Speaker 3: happened to, whatever. But I mean, it sucks being so
Speaker 3: fearful of something and then dying from something else, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you were trying to prevent that from happening.
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Speaker 2: This next story is in the grocerroom and it's called
Speaker 2: a colorful palette. So a twenty seven year old woman
Speaker 2: went to the hospital with a sudden onset of nause
Speaker 2: vomiting in abdominal pain. Her abdomen was descended and a
Speaker 2: little bit tender. So when they did a CT scan,
Speaker 2: it showed that she had multiple quote lesions with in
Speaker 2: her stomach. So then they went and did an endoscopy
Speaker 2: and what did they find.
Speaker 3: They found a whole entire box worth of crayons that
Speaker 3: is in her stomach. Yeah, it is nuts.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You know what's you know what's crazy. So I have
Speaker 3: to forcibly say crayons because when I was working at
Speaker 3: the hospital with Andrea, right, she one day we were
Speaker 3: talking about these colorful things that you color with and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, like a box of crowns. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I say, Cryzone, this is crowns, right, And she was like,
Speaker 3: you know, she's from northern New York, like near Buffalo
Speaker 3: and stuff. So I said, she's like, what did you say,
Speaker 3: And I said crowns, like crowns and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: that's a crown is the like what you wear on
Speaker 3: the top of your head. And I was like I
Speaker 3: know that's a crown and she's like and then she's like,
Speaker 3: but what are the coloring things? And I'm like, crowns
Speaker 3: and she I was like, there's a difference, and she
Speaker 3: we were cracking up laughing about it. And so when
Speaker 3: I was just doing like the voice dictating, when I
Speaker 3: was doing my notes, I said crowns and it wrote
Speaker 3: crowns crowns. So that's just like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's just like a qualitiery family speech impediment, where if
Speaker 3: it's like a Philly thing and other people in Philly
Speaker 3: say crowns too.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think. Well, I'm sure this isn't the
Speaker 2: case for everybody, but I think most people in the
Speaker 2: Philadelphia area cannot say the word crayon like that sounds.
Speaker 3: So it's it is so I have to be like crayon.
Speaker 2: And crayolas are made near us, So why would they
Speaker 2: make this difficult word if our natural accents can't say?
Speaker 3: I know? And another one that I have a hard
Speaker 3: time with is taol, Like I will say tel for
Speaker 3: like the thing that you dry your body off with
Speaker 3: is a towel. Towel.
Speaker 2: That's how Dee Dee said it.
Speaker 3: Remember she used to say towel, yeah, and we used
Speaker 3: to make fun of her, and she was actually right,
Speaker 3: and she said how she uses howel like I say tal,
Speaker 3: But if you say twel like in a voice dictation,
Speaker 3: it would probably spell T A L E or T
Speaker 3: A I L like. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I used to say pattern too. I'm sure. People, I'm curious,
Speaker 2: please comment how you pronounce it, because I just have
Speaker 2: always said crown. I feel like most people I know
Speaker 2: say crown.
Speaker 3: Well that's because everybody talk who lives around here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so, but.
Speaker 3: When you talk to some way from another another part
Speaker 3: of the world or even the country, they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're you're mispronouncing that.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the waxy coloring tool that children most
Speaker 2: often use, if anybody's right.
Speaker 3: So people that eat a waxy coloring tool that has
Speaker 3: no nutritional value. That's called pika, and it is seen
Speaker 3: sometimes with mental disorders like schizo effective personality disorder. So
Speaker 3: we were talking earlier about schizophrenia, and this is kind
Speaker 3: of a mixture of schizophrenia and kind of bipolar stuff too,
Speaker 3: so you'll have the hallucinations and everything that you would
Speaker 3: have with schizophrenia. But then you also have some things
Speaker 3: that you would see with bipolar, like manic episodes and
Speaker 3: just the strong feeling of self hyper sexual and things
Speaker 3: like that. So it's like a combination of that. And
Speaker 3: so this pika that this person had, for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea to eat all of
Speaker 3: these and one pen was found in there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some rappers. So what what was interesting to
Speaker 2: me is a couple of weeks ago when we talked
Speaker 2: about pica, we had that woman who is eating all
Speaker 2: that's silverware, right, but she would like nobody was really
Speaker 2: monitoring her. This woman was living in a psychiatric facility,
Speaker 2: So how did she get eighty one crowns in her
Speaker 2: stomach like with nobody realizing she was eating them?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they don't watch did you ever see
Speaker 3: girl interrupted?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean not that that's like one hundred percent
Speaker 3: of full picture of what happens, and that also took
Speaker 3: place years ago. But I assume that they're they're living,
Speaker 3: they're not in a jail cell, they're not and and
Speaker 3: they're kind of like in a living area that's common space.
Speaker 3: And typically a person wouldn't think that crayons could hurt
Speaker 3: a person, right, and they just were out so people
Speaker 3: could color in things like I don't it's not it's
Speaker 3: not like it's a knife. I mean, otherwise you just
Speaker 3: won'n't be able to give a person anything, because anything
Speaker 3: you could have flowers on the desk and somebody could
Speaker 3: eat them or a poison themselves. I don't you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, there's just like no limit as
Speaker 3: to what somebody could hurt themselves with.
Speaker 2: It's also like the thought of swallowing that whole. I
Speaker 2: can't even swallow my vitamins every morning. I just don't
Speaker 2: undertand how people do it.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's kind of cool in a way,
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, maybe they had skills to be
Speaker 3: a sword swallower in their life and they're just not
Speaker 3: using their skills to their capabilities.
Speaker 2: Maybe all right, So this next story in the grocerroom
Speaker 2: is called brain quote parasite. So a pregnant woman had
Speaker 2: gone in for a prenatal checkup and was told that
Speaker 2: the head circumference of her fetus was enlarge, but doctors
Speaker 2: didn't really know what could be causing it. So the
Speaker 2: baby was delivered at thirty seven weeks by C section,
Speaker 2: and they did confirm after the delivery that the baby's
Speaker 2: head was larger than normal. So over the next year,
Speaker 2: the babies had continued to increase in size to the
Speaker 2: point where the baby could not sit up by herself
Speaker 2: or stand up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not sure where this happened and how
Speaker 3: this would be handled if it happened in America. I
Speaker 3: just think it's a little weird if a baby I
Speaker 3: think in most cases, if a baby is born and
Speaker 3: has that's why they do all these weights measurements and stuff,
Speaker 3: because children should all be on a certain curve of
Speaker 3: how big their head's growing, how big their bones are growing,
Speaker 3: and stuff. And there's all these different measurements at weeks
Speaker 3: gestation and then days of age, months of age and
Speaker 3: things like that. And you know, kids are always some
Speaker 3: are lower, some are higher. But when they're way off
Speaker 3: the charts, that's when you start working up someone and
Speaker 3: doing a lot of tests. And I don't know when
Speaker 3: they realized that the baby's head was big when it
Speaker 3: was born. Why it took a year for the child's
Speaker 3: head to just continue to grow and there was no
Speaker 3: intervention or testing done to see what was causing it.
Speaker 3: But when they finally did bring the baby in because,
Speaker 3: like Maria said, the kid's head was so big, and
Speaker 3: you could see the picture of it in the post
Speaker 3: in the gross room, you could see why the child
Speaker 3: was having a hard time keeping her head up. They
Speaker 3: did imaging and they found striking things. So of course
Speaker 3: they found fluid in her brain, which is called hydrocephalus,
Speaker 3: which is normally to be expected. But the craziest thing
Speaker 3: is is that they saw things that looked like it
Speaker 3: could have been pieces of a fetus. There were bones
Speaker 3: visible that almost looked like a fetus on imaging, and
Speaker 3: it was just very weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then they went in and did surgery and
Speaker 2: removed this mass that they weren't really sure what it
Speaker 2: was at first, and it.
Speaker 3: Ended up being fetus in feetw Yeah, So fetus in
Speaker 3: fee two is it's almost it's almost like think about
Speaker 3: a parasite and how it lives off of you. So
Speaker 3: what happens is is that the fetus is living off
Speaker 3: of the healthy child, So it's kind of the formed,
Speaker 3: it's not well formed, and its entire life depends on
Speaker 3: living off of the other child. It's a form of
Speaker 3: congenital twin. Actually there's two different theories as to what
Speaker 3: this is. They think that possibly during development that just
Speaker 3: the fetus somehow gets enveloped like enveloped inside of the
Speaker 3: other baby. And it's very very rare. It only happens
Speaker 3: one in every five hundred thousand berths, so it's super rare,
Speaker 3: but it happens. And there's another theory because there's this
Speaker 3: kind of tumor that you could get usually in female
Speaker 3: ovaries that's called the terratoma. That's made up of germ cells,
Speaker 3: which are the cells that create or help create humans.
Speaker 3: So these tumors can have hair and teeth. And we've
Speaker 3: talked about this before. And the difference is, they say
Speaker 3: between a tratoma and a fetus in FE two, is
Speaker 3: that fetus in FEE two has a vertebral column or spine.
Speaker 3: And in this case, when you see this, when you
Speaker 3: see this fetus, this it's kind of a malformed fetus.
Speaker 3: You could see that it has a lot of parts
Speaker 3: including eyes, a mouth, it has a spinal column, it
Speaker 3: has hands, feet, it's it's insane looking. So to think
Speaker 3: that that was developing inside of this child's brain and
Speaker 3: it took a year for them to figure it out,
Speaker 3: was crazy.
Speaker 2: No, it is really crazy. And then just you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: because of the nature of this surgery and this rare
Speaker 2: thing going on, the other child did not survive either
Speaker 2: because of it. Yeah, so when they took the when
Speaker 2: they took the fetus out of her brain, she just
Speaker 2: kept having seizures and stuff and died within twelve days
Speaker 2: of surgery.
Speaker 3: Which this is the thing, like even if they did
Speaker 3: surgery right after she was born, I mean, and maybe
Speaker 3: they don't really describe like why they waited. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, doing brain surgery on a baby is
Speaker 3: not anything that you want to do. And I just
Speaker 3: don't even know if they identified it prior to that.
Speaker 3: But it's possible that no matter what, this kid was
Speaker 3: going to end up dying from it just because of
Speaker 3: the location. It's not like it was in or abdomen
Speaker 3: and they could safely cut it out and that's the end.
Speaker 2: Of the story, you know, because it's not always in
Speaker 2: the brain, right, it could really be anywhere.
Speaker 3: In that body. And you hear of crazy cases of
Speaker 3: like old people that just kind of lived healthy lives
Speaker 3: and never really had anything wrong with them and getting
Speaker 3: imaging dumb when they're sixty years old and having like
Speaker 3: this hard, weird mass inside of their stomach and they
Speaker 3: open it up and it's like this like mummified fetus
Speaker 3: inside of their body that's been there since they were born,
Speaker 3: which is insane. But you hear of cases like that, Well,
Speaker 3: this is called like a stone baby sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well this is a good transition into our last story.
Speaker 2: People that are living their whole lives not knowing something
Speaker 2: wrong with them. So in France, a forty four year
Speaker 2: old male had gone to the hospital because he started
Speaker 2: feeling weakness in one of his legs. And what did
Speaker 2: they discover?
Speaker 3: So they did imaging on him and because he was
Speaker 3: on he was forty four, and like anytime somebody's showing
Speaker 3: signs of that, they want to check to make sure
Speaker 3: they don't have more likely a brain tumor. That's what
Speaker 3: they're looking for. And they look at the scan and
Speaker 3: they noticed that he has no brain essentially, like he
Speaker 3: has ninety percent of his brain is gone and it's
Speaker 3: just an empty space filled with fluid.
Speaker 2: Do you think when they first did the scans they
Speaker 2: were like, something must be wrong with the machine, because
Speaker 2: I don't seem so unfathomable that like, how would you
Speaker 2: even respond to this, you know.
Speaker 3: What's you know what's interesting about radiology? I think most
Speaker 3: of the time for me anyway, radiology is kind of boring.
Speaker 3: But in cases, there are certain cases though that it's
Speaker 3: like so fascinating to see as especially because these doctors
Speaker 3: are usually the first ones to see like real pathology
Speaker 3: because they're doing the testing for it. And this one
Speaker 3: is so striking because when you look at it, normally
Speaker 3: you wouldn't see a large black space in someone's skull.
Speaker 3: So it just I can't imagine being the radiologist reading
Speaker 3: that because you would just be like, no, am I
Speaker 3: looking at that? Because I guarantee that mostly none of them,
Speaker 3: if not all of them, had never seen anything like
Speaker 3: that in their life. Yeah, and you and you didn't
Speaker 3: learn about it even in school. So it's just like,
Speaker 3: what exactly is how like I'd love to read the
Speaker 3: report on that actually. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so basically he was living a totally normal life.
Speaker 2: He had a family and everything, and then when he
Speaker 2: went to the hospital they tested his IQ, which he
Speaker 2: tested it in eighty four, which is just below the
Speaker 2: normal range. I think normal range the lowest one is
Speaker 2: eighty five, so he was just below it. And he
Speaker 2: had no idea he was missing ninety percent of his brain.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that make you wonder, like if other people are
Speaker 3: living with something like this, you know, yeah, Now it's
Speaker 3: it's just it's just so it's so outrageous to be
Speaker 3: and so they when they did some further investigation, they
Speaker 3: found out that when he was born, he had a
Speaker 3: condition known as hydrocephalus, which is what we were just
Speaker 3: talking about, having fluid around the brain. And there's lots
Speaker 3: of people born with that. It's just there could be
Speaker 3: different reasons that it happens, but fluid accumulates around the brain.
Speaker 3: And what they did was they put in a shunt
Speaker 3: in his brain, which is kind of like a like
Speaker 3: a straw thing that just takes the fluid out and
Speaker 3: gets it out of the brain. And when he was fourteen,
Speaker 3: they took it out and that was kind of the
Speaker 3: end of the story. And when they just thought, like,
Speaker 3: this is what they think, is that just like that
Speaker 3: hydrocephalus was like compressing his brain over time, and it's
Speaker 3: just like he just adapted to living like that. It's
Speaker 3: just it kind of is blown everybody's mind, to be honest.
Speaker 2: So it just like eroded over all that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the fluid just was keeping it like pushed
Speaker 3: down to the side. And it's cool because now they think,
Speaker 3: you know, everyone has all these theories on how the
Speaker 3: brain works and everything, and people would think like, well,
Speaker 3: if you damage one part of the brain, then then
Speaker 3: that's damaged forever. But they're thinking like, well, maybe that's
Speaker 3: not the case, Like maybe other parts of the brain
Speaker 3: take over. You hear about that, right, Like you lose
Speaker 3: your sense of smell, but then your your eyesight gets
Speaker 3: better or something like that, one of your other senses
Speaker 3: kind of picks up for the lack of the other
Speaker 3: one in a way like, yeah, they're thinking that that
Speaker 3: could possibly be a thing now, And it reminds me
Speaker 3: of a case I don't did we talk about that
Speaker 3: on this podcast, the one that's called I See what
Speaker 3: you are thinking?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, well I'll just talk about it really quick
Speaker 3: again that there was this guy that went to the
Speaker 3: emergency room and he was just like, oh, I have
Speaker 3: a headache, and they did an examine on him and
Speaker 3: here he had had surgery when he was younger that
Speaker 3: put a bur hole in his skull, which is he
Speaker 3: probably fell and hit his head or something and had
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bleed and they had to
Speaker 3: evacuate the blood out of this hole. And over twenty years,
Speaker 3: he was packing this hole with wet paper towels. I
Speaker 3: don't know why he was doing that or who told
Speaker 3: him to do that, but he had like eroded a
Speaker 3: huge hole in his scalp and his skull and when
Speaker 3: you look down into the top of his skull, it
Speaker 3: looked like like a cereal bowl, like it's completely empty,
Speaker 3: and you just look and you're like, this guy, same thing.
Speaker 3: He has like literally ninety percent of a brain that
Speaker 3: he's functioning with. And this guy had some weakness in
Speaker 3: some of his limbs, but he was in a wheelchair,
Speaker 3: but he was still able to walk a little bit
Speaker 3: by himself talk everything like that, like it's it's nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is absolutely crazy. And I mean they were
Speaker 2: saying that, like scientists have always had this belief you
Speaker 2: only need that you only use ten percent of your brain,
Speaker 2: and like does this actually scientifically confirm that or what?
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's really interesting.
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