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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get into

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Speaker 3: this week's six shocking stories.

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Speaker 2: So we're starting off with a pretty strong one. When

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Speaker 2: I was reading my notes last night, I was just like,

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Speaker 2: this is so messed up. I don't like looking for.

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Speaker 3: I know, I was considering texting you and just saying like, hey,

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Speaker 3: why don't we put this in the middle, Maybe because

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Speaker 3: it's kind of a like a graphic one to start

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Speaker 3: off with, but most of most of our listeners will

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Speaker 3: probably enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So police were called to this home

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Speaker 2: after some neighbors were not able to get a hold

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Speaker 2: of their neighbor. So when they got to the house,

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Speaker 2: they walked into one of the most horrific scenes I

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Speaker 2: think we've ever covered in the Grossroom and recovered on

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Speaker 2: the podcast in general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when they walked in, they found this woman who

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Speaker 3: was actively she had already what appeared to be killed

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Speaker 3: her mother, but she was actively cutting the tissue off

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Speaker 3: of the bones of her leg, like literally taking the

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Speaker 3: skin off the bone of her leg. That's what cops

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Speaker 3: walked into seeing. Yeah, So basically to visualize this. It's

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Speaker 3: like this woman is laying face down on this bathroom floor,

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Speaker 3: and first of all, she's missing her head as well,

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Speaker 3: which is like a whole other, whole other story, but

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Speaker 3: we'll get there. So just to visualize this crime scene photo,

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Speaker 3: it's this woman laying face down and basically, like all

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Speaker 3: you see is there's just her hip, like all of

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Speaker 3: her skin is intact from her neck to her hip,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, on one of her

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's really disturbing.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think my description is doing it, just

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Speaker 3: It's also very weird because there's a pan of some sort,

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Speaker 3: if you notice that, because you're too busy looking at

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Speaker 3: the actual disturbing photo. But could you imagine I just

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Speaker 3: like I can't imagine being a cop and just walking

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Speaker 2: No, And like to your point, I can't give detectives

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Speaker 2: enough credit, you know, because if I walked in on

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Speaker 2: all I'm focusing on is the body, right, I'm not

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Speaker 2: kind of weird, like why are you saving the chunks

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like in a separate bucket, Like why

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Speaker 3: didn't she just throw them on the floor or something?

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Speaker 3: But I think I don't know. I think that not

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Speaker 3: that I'm a cop, but I've worked in a similar

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, getting back to the missing head story, they

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Speaker 2: I can't really see it one hundred percent, but just

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Speaker 2: based on looking at the margin that's exposed, which is

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Speaker 2: She said, I'm schizophrenic. My mother attacked me and cast

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of times we hear these stories

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Speaker 3: But believe it or not, what do you think psychological

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Speaker 2: Well, I would I would say schizophrenia or.

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Speaker 3: Psychopath right, So, yeah, so anti social personality disorder has

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Speaker 3: personality disorder isn't the same as what you would call

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Speaker 3: is just we just hear about it more in these stories,

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Speaker 3: but it actually isn't like people that are schizophrenic don't

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Speaker 2: So something else I thought was really interesting was the

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Speaker 2: she kind of knew amatonic anatomically where to cut the body.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that is interesting. I guess she worked in

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Speaker 3: So when I was teaching gross anatomy years back, I

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Speaker 3: So I thought, Okay, I'm going to cut this cadaver's

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Speaker 3: It's cool because the way that I like to teach

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Speaker 2: Our next story, so that one's called meat off the

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Speaker 2: Bone for anybody looking for the pictures in the gross room.

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Speaker 2: So our next story was submitted by a listener, And

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Speaker 2: this one's a little bit of a long one, but

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Speaker 2: it's certainly one of the craziest ones. So our listener

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Speaker 2: had got married in December of twenty twenty and when

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Speaker 2: along with him. Personally, for me, that would be a

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, she she knew that that was coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't often think about you know, if you

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Speaker 2: were saying, at some point she was probably so intoxicated

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if that was I mean,

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Speaker 2: This next story is in the grocerroom and it's called

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Speaker 2: a colorful palette. So a twenty seven year old woman

505
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Speaker 2: went to the hospital with a sudden onset of nause

506
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Speaker 2: vomiting in abdominal pain. Her abdomen was descended and a

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Speaker 2: her stomach. So then they went and did an endoscopy

510
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Speaker 2: and what did they find.

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Speaker 3: They found a whole entire box worth of crayons that

512
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Speaker 3: is in her stomach. Yeah, it is nuts.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: You know what's you know what's crazy. So I have

515
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Speaker 3: to forcibly say crayons because when I was working at

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Speaker 3: the hospital with Andrea, right, she one day we were

517
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Speaker 3: talking about these colorful things that you color with and

518
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, like a box of crowns. Yeah,

519
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: I say, Cryzone, this is crowns, right, And she was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, she's from northern New York, like near Buffalo

521
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Speaker 3: and stuff. So I said, she's like, what did you say,

522
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Speaker 3: And I said crowns, like crowns and she's like, no,

523
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Speaker 3: that's a crown is the like what you wear on

524
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Speaker 3: the top of your head. And I was like I

525
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Speaker 3: know that's a crown and she's like and then she's like,

526
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Speaker 3: but what are the coloring things? And I'm like, crowns

527
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Speaker 3: and she I was like, there's a difference, and she

528
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Speaker 3: we were cracking up laughing about it. And so when

529
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Speaker 3: I was just doing like the voice dictating, when I

530
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Speaker 3: was doing my notes, I said crowns and it wrote

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Speaker 3: crowns crowns. So that's just like, I don't know if

532
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Speaker 3: that's just like a qualitiery family speech impediment, where if

533
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Speaker 3: it's like a Philly thing and other people in Philly

534
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Speaker 3: say crowns too.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think. Well, I'm sure this isn't the

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Speaker 2: case for everybody, but I think most people in the

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia area cannot say the word crayon like that sounds.

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Speaker 3: So it's it is so I have to be like crayon.

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Speaker 2: And crayolas are made near us, So why would they

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Speaker 2: make this difficult word if our natural accents can't say?

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Speaker 3: I know? And another one that I have a hard

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Speaker 3: time with is taol, Like I will say tel for

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Speaker 3: like the thing that you dry your body off with

544
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Speaker 3: is a towel. Towel.

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Speaker 2: That's how Dee Dee said it.

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Speaker 3: Remember she used to say towel, yeah, and we used

547
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Speaker 3: to make fun of her, and she was actually right,

548
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Speaker 3: and she said how she uses howel like I say tal,

549
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Speaker 3: But if you say twel like in a voice dictation,

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Speaker 3: it would probably spell T A L E or T

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Speaker 3: A I L like. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I used to say pattern too. I'm sure. People, I'm curious,

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Speaker 2: please comment how you pronounce it, because I just have

554
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Speaker 2: always said crown. I feel like most people I know

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Speaker 2: say crown.

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Speaker 3: Well that's because everybody talk who lives around here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so, but.

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Speaker 3: When you talk to some way from another another part

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Speaker 3: of the world or even the country, they're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're you're mispronouncing that.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the waxy coloring tool that children most

562
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Speaker 2: often use, if anybody's right.

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Speaker 3: So people that eat a waxy coloring tool that has

564
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Speaker 3: no nutritional value. That's called pika, and it is seen

565
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Speaker 3: sometimes with mental disorders like schizo effective personality disorder. So

566
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Speaker 3: we were talking earlier about schizophrenia, and this is kind

567
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Speaker 3: of a mixture of schizophrenia and kind of bipolar stuff too,

568
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Speaker 3: so you'll have the hallucinations and everything that you would

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Speaker 3: have with schizophrenia. But then you also have some things

570
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Speaker 3: that you would see with bipolar, like manic episodes and

571
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Speaker 3: just the strong feeling of self hyper sexual and things

572
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Speaker 3: like that. So it's like a combination of that. And

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Speaker 3: so this pika that this person had, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea to eat all of

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Speaker 3: these and one pen was found in there too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and some rappers. So what what was interesting to

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Speaker 2: me is a couple of weeks ago when we talked

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Speaker 2: about pica, we had that woman who is eating all

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Speaker 2: that's silverware, right, but she would like nobody was really

580
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Speaker 2: monitoring her. This woman was living in a psychiatric facility,

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Speaker 2: So how did she get eighty one crowns in her

582
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Speaker 2: stomach like with nobody realizing she was eating them?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they don't watch did you ever see

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Speaker 3: girl interrupted?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Like, I mean not that that's like one hundred percent

587
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Speaker 3: of full picture of what happens, and that also took

588
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Speaker 3: place years ago. But I assume that they're they're living,

589
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Speaker 3: they're not in a jail cell, they're not and and

590
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Speaker 3: they're kind of like in a living area that's common space.

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Speaker 3: And typically a person wouldn't think that crayons could hurt

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Speaker 3: a person, right, and they just were out so people

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Speaker 3: could color in things like I don't it's not it's

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Speaker 3: not like it's a knife. I mean, otherwise you just

595
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Speaker 3: won'n't be able to give a person anything, because anything

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Speaker 3: you could have flowers on the desk and somebody could

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Speaker 3: eat them or a poison themselves. I don't you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, there's just like no limit as

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Speaker 3: to what somebody could hurt themselves with.

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Speaker 2: It's also like the thought of swallowing that whole. I

601
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Speaker 2: can't even swallow my vitamins every morning. I just don't

602
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Speaker 2: undertand how people do it.

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Speaker 3: It's I think it's kind of cool in a way,

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Speaker 3: Like it's you know, maybe they had skills to be

605
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Speaker 3: a sword swallower in their life and they're just not

606
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Speaker 3: using their skills to their capabilities.

607
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Speaker 2: Maybe all right, So this next story in the grocerroom

608
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Speaker 2: is called brain quote parasite. So a pregnant woman had

609
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Speaker 2: the head circumference of her fetus was enlarge, but doctors

611
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Speaker 2: didn't really know what could be causing it. So the

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Speaker 2: baby was delivered at thirty seven weeks by C section,

613
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Speaker 2: and they did confirm after the delivery that the baby's

614
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Speaker 2: head was larger than normal. So over the next year,

615
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: the babies had continued to increase in size to the

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Speaker 2: point where the baby could not sit up by herself

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Speaker 2: or stand up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not sure where this happened and how

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Speaker 3: this would be handled if it happened in America. I

620
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Speaker 3: just think it's a little weird if a baby I

621
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Speaker 3: think in most cases, if a baby is born and

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Speaker 3: has that's why they do all these weights measurements and stuff,

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Speaker 3: because children should all be on a certain curve of

624
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Speaker 3: how big their head's growing, how big their bones are growing,

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Speaker 3: and stuff. And there's all these different measurements at weeks

626
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Speaker 3: gestation and then days of age, months of age and

627
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Speaker 3: things like that. And you know, kids are always some

628
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Speaker 3: are lower, some are higher. But when they're way off

629
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Speaker 3: the charts, that's when you start working up someone and

630
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Speaker 3: doing a lot of tests. And I don't know when

631
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Speaker 3: they realized that the baby's head was big when it

632
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Speaker 3: was born. Why it took a year for the child's

633
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: head to just continue to grow and there was no

634
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Speaker 3: intervention or testing done to see what was causing it.

635
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Speaker 3: But when they finally did bring the baby in because,

636
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Speaker 3: like Maria said, the kid's head was so big, and

637
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Speaker 3: you could see the picture of it in the post

638
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Speaker 3: in the gross room, you could see why the child

639
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: was having a hard time keeping her head up. They

640
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: did imaging and they found striking things. So of course

641
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: they found fluid in her brain, which is called hydrocephalus,

642
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Speaker 3: which is normally to be expected. But the craziest thing

643
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Speaker 3: is is that they saw things that looked like it

644
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Speaker 3: could have been pieces of a fetus. There were bones

645
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Speaker 3: visible that almost looked like a fetus on imaging, and

646
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Speaker 3: it was just very weird.

647
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So then they went in and did surgery and

648
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: removed this mass that they weren't really sure what it

649
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Speaker 2: was at first, and it.

650
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Speaker 3: Ended up being fetus in feetw Yeah, So fetus in

651
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Speaker 3: fee two is it's almost it's almost like think about

652
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Speaker 3: a parasite and how it lives off of you. So

653
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Speaker 3: what happens is is that the fetus is living off

654
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Speaker 3: of the healthy child, So it's kind of the formed,

655
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Speaker 3: it's not well formed, and its entire life depends on

656
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Speaker 3: living off of the other child. It's a form of

657
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: congenital twin. Actually there's two different theories as to what

658
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: this is. They think that possibly during development that just

659
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: the fetus somehow gets enveloped like enveloped inside of the

660
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: other baby. And it's very very rare. It only happens

661
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: one in every five hundred thousand berths, so it's super rare,

662
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: but it happens. And there's another theory because there's this

663
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 3: kind of tumor that you could get usually in female

664
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: ovaries that's called the terratoma. That's made up of germ cells,

665
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: which are the cells that create or help create humans.

666
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: So these tumors can have hair and teeth. And we've

667
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: talked about this before. And the difference is, they say

668
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: between a tratoma and a fetus in FE two, is

669
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Speaker 3: that fetus in FEE two has a vertebral column or spine.

670
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: And in this case, when you see this, when you

671
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: see this fetus, this it's kind of a malformed fetus.

672
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: You could see that it has a lot of parts

673
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: including eyes, a mouth, it has a spinal column, it

674
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: has hands, feet, it's it's insane looking. So to think

675
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: that that was developing inside of this child's brain and

676
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: it took a year for them to figure it out,

677
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: was crazy.

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Speaker 2: No, it is really crazy. And then just you know, unfortunately,

679
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: because of the nature of this surgery and this rare

680
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: thing going on, the other child did not survive either

681
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: because of it. Yeah, so when they took the when

682
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: they took the fetus out of her brain, she just

683
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: kept having seizures and stuff and died within twelve days

684
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Speaker 2: of surgery.

685
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Speaker 3: Which this is the thing, like even if they did

686
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Speaker 3: surgery right after she was born, I mean, and maybe

687
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: they don't really describe like why they waited. I don't know.

688
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, doing brain surgery on a baby is

689
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: not anything that you want to do. And I just

690
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: don't even know if they identified it prior to that.

691
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Speaker 3: But it's possible that no matter what, this kid was

692
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: going to end up dying from it just because of

693
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: the location. It's not like it was in or abdomen

694
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: and they could safely cut it out and that's the end.

695
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: Of the story, you know, because it's not always in

696
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: the brain, right, it could really be anywhere.

697
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: In that body. And you hear of crazy cases of

698
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 3: like old people that just kind of lived healthy lives

699
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: and never really had anything wrong with them and getting

700
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: imaging dumb when they're sixty years old and having like

701
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: this hard, weird mass inside of their stomach and they

702
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: open it up and it's like this like mummified fetus

703
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: inside of their body that's been there since they were born,

704
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: which is insane. But you hear of cases like that, Well,

705
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: this is called like a stone baby sometimes.

706
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: Well this is a good transition into our last story.

707
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: People that are living their whole lives not knowing something

708
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: wrong with them. So in France, a forty four year

709
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: old male had gone to the hospital because he started

710
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: feeling weakness in one of his legs. And what did

711
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: they discover?

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Speaker 3: So they did imaging on him and because he was

713
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: on he was forty four, and like anytime somebody's showing

714
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: signs of that, they want to check to make sure

715
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: they don't have more likely a brain tumor. That's what

716
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: they're looking for. And they look at the scan and

717
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: they noticed that he has no brain essentially, like he

718
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: has ninety percent of his brain is gone and it's

719
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: just an empty space filled with fluid.

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Speaker 2: Do you think when they first did the scans they

721
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Speaker 2: were like, something must be wrong with the machine, because

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Speaker 2: I don't seem so unfathomable that like, how would you

723
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: even respond to this, you know.

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Speaker 3: What's you know what's interesting about radiology? I think most

725
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: of the time for me anyway, radiology is kind of boring.

726
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: But in cases, there are certain cases though that it's

727
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 3: like so fascinating to see as especially because these doctors

728
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: are usually the first ones to see like real pathology

729
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: because they're doing the testing for it. And this one

730
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: is so striking because when you look at it, normally

731
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: you wouldn't see a large black space in someone's skull.

732
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: So it just I can't imagine being the radiologist reading

733
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: that because you would just be like, no, am I

734
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: looking at that? Because I guarantee that mostly none of them,

735
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: if not all of them, had never seen anything like

736
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 3: that in their life. Yeah, and you and you didn't

737
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: learn about it even in school. So it's just like,

738
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: what exactly is how like I'd love to read the

739
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 3: report on that actually. Yeah.

740
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Speaker 2: And so basically he was living a totally normal life.

741
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: He had a family and everything, and then when he

742
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: went to the hospital they tested his IQ, which he

743
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: tested it in eighty four, which is just below the

744
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: normal range. I think normal range the lowest one is

745
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: eighty five, so he was just below it. And he

746
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: had no idea he was missing ninety percent of his brain.

747
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: Doesn't that make you wonder, like if other people are

748
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: living with something like this, you know, yeah, Now it's

749
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: it's just it's just so it's so outrageous to be

750
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: and so they when they did some further investigation, they

751
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: found out that when he was born, he had a

752
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: condition known as hydrocephalus, which is what we were just

753
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: talking about, having fluid around the brain. And there's lots

754
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: of people born with that. It's just there could be

755
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: different reasons that it happens, but fluid accumulates around the brain.

756
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 3: And what they did was they put in a shunt

757
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: in his brain, which is kind of like a like

758
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: a straw thing that just takes the fluid out and

759
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: gets it out of the brain. And when he was fourteen,

760
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: they took it out and that was kind of the

761
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: end of the story. And when they just thought, like,

762
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: this is what they think, is that just like that

763
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: hydrocephalus was like compressing his brain over time, and it's

764
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 3: just like he just adapted to living like that. It's

765
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: just it kind of is blown everybody's mind, to be honest.

766
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: So it just like eroded over all that time.

767
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the fluid just was keeping it like pushed

768
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: down to the side. And it's cool because now they think,

769
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: you know, everyone has all these theories on how the

770
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: brain works and everything, and people would think like, well,

771
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: if you damage one part of the brain, then then

772
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 3: that's damaged forever. But they're thinking like, well, maybe that's

773
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: not the case, Like maybe other parts of the brain

774
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: take over. You hear about that, right, Like you lose

775
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: your sense of smell, but then your your eyesight gets

776
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: better or something like that, one of your other senses

777
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: kind of picks up for the lack of the other

778
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: one in a way like, yeah, they're thinking that that

779
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: could possibly be a thing now, And it reminds me

780
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: of a case I don't did we talk about that

781
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: on this podcast, the one that's called I See what

782
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: you are thinking?

783
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: I think?

784
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 3: So, yeah, well I'll just talk about it really quick

785
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: again that there was this guy that went to the

786
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: emergency room and he was just like, oh, I have

787
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: a headache, and they did an examine on him and

788
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: here he had had surgery when he was younger that

789
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: put a bur hole in his skull, which is he

790
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: probably fell and hit his head or something and had

791
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bleed and they had to

792
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: evacuate the blood out of this hole. And over twenty years,

793
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: he was packing this hole with wet paper towels. I

794
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: don't know why he was doing that or who told

795
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: him to do that, but he had like eroded a

796
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: huge hole in his scalp and his skull and when

797
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: you look down into the top of his skull, it

798
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: looked like like a cereal bowl, like it's completely empty,

799
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: and you just look and you're like, this guy, same thing.

800
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: He has like literally ninety percent of a brain that

801
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: he's functioning with. And this guy had some weakness in

802
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: some of his limbs, but he was in a wheelchair,

803
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: but he was still able to walk a little bit

804
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: by himself talk everything like that, like it's it's nuts.

805
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is absolutely crazy. And I mean they were

806
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: saying that, like scientists have always had this belief you

807
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: only need that you only use ten percent of your brain,

808
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: and like does this actually scientifically confirm that or what?

809
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was a uterus, a brain, and chlamydia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're super cute. You can also you know,

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Speaker 2: Actually, thank you guys. We will see you later in

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Speaker 2: the week with the news.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Toya, thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.

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Speaker 3: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 3: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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