1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio, Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Null. They call 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's our returning Listener Male segment. 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: We have quite a few strange stories for you, uh, 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: concerning ghosts, concerning the world of dream and concerning unsolved 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: murder of the ghost story. Maybe is a good place 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: to start. What do you all think? Because it relates 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: to a previous episode of Listener Mail, it does for it. 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: It also relates to this week's episode of Strange News. 16 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm on a ghost train this week, everybody, and you're 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: on the ride with me. Guess what. Let's do this. 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: We got a message of really great message from Dennis. Dennis, 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: you wrote to us about our Rock of Gibraltar episode 20 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: and it's in in reference to the story we talked 21 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: about on a Strange News episode a little while back 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: where we discussed the hidden spy room, essentially large enclosure 23 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: where six men were supposed to stay in the case 24 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: of the Rock of Gibraltar being taken over by the 25 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Axis Nazi forces. And uh, you wrote to us with 26 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: a personal experience, So we're just I'm gonna read through it. 27 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty long. Bear with me. It's a great worry 28 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: and there is a ghostly tail amidst the words. Here 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: here we go. Dennis, you said, hello, guys. I listened 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: to your recent story about Gibraltar and its caves and tunnels, 31 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: and it reminded me of my trip there at the time. 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: I was in the Navy on a submarine and it 33 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: was our last liberty port at the end of a 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: deployment to the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf. There are tunnels 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: in the rock dating back hundreds of years, but as 36 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: you said, the World War Two tunnels were probably the largest. 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: There are civilian tunnel tours, but as we are the 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: military unit, we got a special tour with some of 39 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: the local military units. That's very cool, Dennis, He says. 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: The tunnels seem to be much longer than the Rock 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: of Gibraltar itself. And there were pipes and cables running 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: along one side. As we walked, you could hear the 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: pipes settling with temperature changes. It would be just creeks 44 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: and pops that started at one point and it would 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: make their way all the way down the length of 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: the pipes. So you can hear the sounds coming towards you, 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: passing you, and retreating away. Nothing really weird about it, 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: I would say that would that would creep me out 49 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: already a little bit, especially being in that enclosed tunnel 50 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: the way it is. Dennis, by the way, send us 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: a great picture of a tunnel that looks like this, 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: that has pipes running down one side. It's very long, 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: it's darkened, there are a couple of lights in there, 54 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: and uh, you really get a sense of what that 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: must feel like. But it didn't freak Dennis out at all. 56 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: He was he was totally fine with it. Let's continue. 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: He says. About twenty guys from my boat went on 58 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: the tour, and it was some typical stuff, pointing out 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: storage tunnels or command radio offices. About halfway through the tour, 60 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: there was a branch off tunnel that went perpendicular to 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the main tunnel. The tour guide told us that we 62 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: could take a break while he made a phone call, 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: but if we went up the branched off tunnel on 64 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the right, there would be a ladder and we could 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: climb and look into a natural cave discovered while digging 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: in World War two. Sounds awesome. Maybe five or six 67 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: guys went and looked at the cave while the rest 68 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: took a rest. After I look did the cave, I 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: went a little further up the tunnel and looked around. 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: After the prescribed time passed, we all gathered back at 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the main tunnel. Now, the tour guide asked if anyone 72 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: went further up the tunnel from the ladder, and you know, 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: a couple of us raised their hands said yeah. The 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: guy had asked if we saw a bunch of flowers 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: on the wall, and he said they'd likely be dried 76 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: by now. Um, Dennis hadn't noticed them. But this is 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: the story that the tour guide told them. He said, 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: about three months ago they'd had a ceremony for an 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: older woman to come and place those flowers on the wall. 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: This woman was born in England during the war and 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: her father had shipped out before she was born, so 82 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: she never saw her father because he was sent to 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Gibraltar and he was working digging the tunnels there into 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: the rock when he died during a cave in. So 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: there was a young woman whose father left to go 86 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: dig tunnels in Gibraltar. He died there. She never got 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: to meet her father. Now, apparently there were a few 88 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: cave ins that did occur and they didn't know exactly 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: where this person, you know, was died where the rock 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: collapsed on him. So they chose this specific spot to 91 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: memorialize this death. That's where they put the flowers right 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: and that way she could come and remember, you know, 93 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: or at least think about the father that she never met. 94 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Then she apparently went back to England after the ceremony. Now, 95 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: according to Dennis's email, the tour guide says he was 96 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: finishing up another similar tour a few weeks after this 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: woman had gone home. Um, he locked up one end 98 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: of the tunnel and he was walking back to the 99 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: beginning of the tunnel where the tour begins. Right, He's 100 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: all alone in these massive tunnels. He's walking with the 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: piping on his right side, and he said he heard 102 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: noises the way you do, the way Dennis has described 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: he heard coming up from behind him, right just coming up. 104 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: It's reaching as closer and closer and closer. But as 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: that sound reached where he was, instead of just continuing 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: on down the pathway, it stopped. The sound stopped right 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: behind him, and he felt someone or something pull on 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: his right sleeve. You can imagine how unnerving that would be, right, 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: So he stopped to look behind him. He didn't see anything, 110 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: and he just kind of turned around and kept walking. 111 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: Further down he had the same thing happened, noises coming 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: up from behind him, stopping and then another sleeve tug. 113 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: At this point, he's extremely weirded out and afraid, so 114 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: he hurried to the gate, locked it, and he went 115 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: to the Officers Club, essentially a restaurant and lounge like 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: a bar, right where you can go after work. So 117 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: his wife was tending to the bar, so he goes, 118 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: he gets a beer, he sits down, his kids are there. 119 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: That this must have been a day tour. The one 120 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: that Dennis went on was a night tour, but this 121 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: one must have been a day tour, he says, and um, 122 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: you know they're hanging out playing or something. He's feeling 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: kind of frazzled. He's telling the story of what just occurred, right, 124 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: and he knows the woman at the pool who was 125 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: looking at him. He doesn't know who this woman is, um, 126 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: and the tour guide doesn't recognize this person. UM. You 127 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of times these clubs have officers visiting 128 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: from out of town or from you know, who are 129 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: stationed somewhere else. Maybe their families are in town. There's 130 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of time strangers in an officer's club like that. UM. 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: But you know, he's he's noticing that she's staring at him. 132 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: When she notices him staring back, she walks over and 133 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: begins talking to our tour guide here. So this woman 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: excuses her intrusions. She says she doesn't normally do this, 135 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: but she's sensitive to things, and there was a man 136 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: standing with her that could tell she could see him 137 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: when others couldn't. She said that the man is really 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: sorry he missed his daughter, and is there any way 139 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: they could bring her back so he could see her. 140 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: He says he was frozen there in shock. Uh. They 141 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: did what they could do to raise more money to 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: get her back. This woman, who you know, lost her 143 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: father before she ever met him. And then laid the flowers. 144 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: But as of the time that at least Dennis was 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: there visiting at the Rocket Gibraltar, they hadn't raised enough 146 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: money and Dennis finishes it after that story with Gibraltar 147 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: was probably the best board he got to visit during 148 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: his active duty, and uh, he's really glad he had 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: a ghost story to share about it. So, um, you know, 150 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: just really interesting. I wanted to read that because that 151 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of thing, that kind of interaction where someone appears 152 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to be able to see someone or talk with or 153 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: interact with someone who has already passed, has always fascinated me. 154 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: I think fascinates everybody here. You two. Probably the concept 155 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: in this um of it occurring in this place where 156 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: you'd imagine it could be haunted, right, just with the 157 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: amount of past that that place has seen, the number 158 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: of people who have gone through it, um where humans 159 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: have been lost in collapses, where there's been a lot 160 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: of digging and blasting of rocks and stone. UM. I 161 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: imagine that would be the kind of place if it 162 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: was possible, if the physics worked out, um, that a 163 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: resonance could occur where a life, a a living person, 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: whatever it is that makes us human and intelligent. The 165 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: thing that we don't currently fully understand right now, whatever 166 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: that is, I can imagine it staying in that stone somehow, 167 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: or or like uh, my earlier point from the dream series, 168 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: maybe this person's quantum. Uh, maybe they're microtubules. Are are 169 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: very sensitive two events happening in a symmetry of time. Uh. 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: We know this idea about some sort of intangible impression 171 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: being left of physical memory somehow imprinted. It's usually portrayed 172 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: as something that happens at times of great unrest. I mean, sorry, 173 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: before I go off, I'm a dog with a ball 174 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: and this stuff. Dennis, thank you for your I mean, 175 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: what a journey, what a we got a frame story, 176 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: we got an epilogue, we've got the whole nine um, 177 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: A couple of quick things before we dive in. Just 178 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: for anybody who's wondering, a liberty port is like, sure, 179 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: leave you. You don't have to stay on the boat. 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: You can get out and have fun. You know what 181 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: I mean? I think didn't he say liberty port? There? That? Yes, 182 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah, yeah, so that's like that was his 183 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: last chance to party. And one thing about this this 184 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: story you're telling, uh, I do agree with you, Matt. 185 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: There is this commonality of experience, right. Not maybe not 186 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: super frequent. Not everybody listening knows someone who claims to 187 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: see these figures of people who have passed or these apparitions. 188 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: But it's an idea that is familiar to all of 189 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: us in the world. And it gets really interesting when 190 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: we go into cultures where death is sort of acknowledged 191 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: as like death is just kind of like moving to 192 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: a different part of a city called the universe, right. Uh. 193 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: In those cultures, it is much less stigmatized to say 194 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: I have seen this ghost and Gibraltar itself to your 195 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: earlier point about ghost tours, I was surprised by how 196 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: just how riddled Gibraltar is with uh, purported ghost and 197 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: ghostly activities. It's a it's a wash in them. And 198 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense whether or not you believe 199 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: in ghosts. It makes sense that those stories would exist 200 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: because this thing has been a geopolitical flashpoint, the subject 201 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: of so much blood and treasure over the centuries. Uh, 202 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: it would almost be abnormal for those It would almost 203 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: be unusual for those tunnels not to have a ghost story. 204 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm being very careful, by the way, to say ghost story, 205 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: but I wonder or Dennis, you say, got a great 206 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: ghost story from the tour guide, But I maybe I 207 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: missed this match. I didn't see anything in our letter 208 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: from Dennis where you, Dennis say whether or not you 209 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: believe the story. There you go, there's the rub. Well, no, 210 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: we didn't. We we did get a very vivid picture 211 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: of what the tour guide experienced that was also experienced 212 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: by Dennis, with the pipes and the sounds moving past him. 213 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: So he's maybe giving us a way to explain what's occurring, right, 214 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: But the thing that it's harder to explain is how 215 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: somebody there I knew about this whole situation with the 216 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: the woman who placed the flowers in this part where 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: people generally don't tour weird. Yeah, and there there are 218 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: any number of ways that people might attempt to explain that. 219 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: You know, we've got I always see, I always see 220 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: the idea of skepticis a credulity. Let's say, I always 221 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: see those as part of a spectrum. Right, we're more 222 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: skeptical about some things, were more critical about other things. 223 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: Uh So, especially when it comes to ghost, tremendously controversial topic. 224 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of people out of who 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: will immediately say, well, this person is somehow a scam artist, right, 226 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: But it doesn't that that doesn't hold up because it 227 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like she was scamming them. You know, she 228 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to convey information, which I think is it's 229 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: a very different thing. Uh. And then there are people 230 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: who will say, you know, I have witnessed behavior like 231 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: this in the past. There are there are possibilities, their 232 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: thought experiments we could do about how this could happen, 233 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: how maybe she knew this information. We know they're flim 234 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: flam artists who do that. But the problem with that 235 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: flim flam explanation, at least in this story, is that 236 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: the con are are motivated by personal profit, and there's 237 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: not a profit motive here, is there. Well, they were 238 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: attempting to raise money to bring the woman back down. 239 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: The one who laid the flowers for her never met father. 240 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: So you know, if you could find a way to 241 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: make a go fund me and then skim some off 242 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: the top or take the money instead of giving it 243 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: to the other person, then perhaps, but uh, there's no 244 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: way to to know that here or this whole thing 245 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: could be a way to drum up support for tours 246 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: of the Rocket Gibraltar. I don't know Dennis is working 247 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: for the Big Rock. No, No, I'm not saying Dennis, 248 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: this is a story told to Dennis. Well, I just 249 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: send it Dennis because it's a well, because it's a 250 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: really interesting story. It caught my attention. Um probably did 251 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: the same thing to Dennis. I'm just saying, they're They're 252 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: a wonderful number of possibilities we could explore here. But 253 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: in the end, it's just a fun story, I think. 254 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: And it's the perfect time for those I want to 255 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: hear more spooky stories. Uh, please send us your ghost tales. 256 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: Bonus points if you believe them to be in arguably true. Uh, 257 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: and you know what, double We're just we're throwing out 258 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: bonus points here like their beads at Marty Gras. Double 259 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: bonus points if you may not think it's entirely true, 260 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: but some specific details of it give you pause and 261 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: maybe creep you out a little bit late at night. God, 262 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I love Halloween is just the best. Yeah, and it's 263 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: almost there, almost. We only got about two months. Usually 264 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: hate when people do this, but let me rip off 265 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: myself in in a forthcoming short fiction piece of working on. 266 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: It's always Halloween in America. Now you know what I mean. 267 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: The house is haunted. There's no better time for ghost stories. Uh, 268 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: let's just make sure we don't become ghost stories of 269 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: our own. Wow, that was dark. Sorry, moving on, moving on, 270 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dennis. We're going to take a 271 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: pause for a quick word from our sponsor and then 272 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: we will return with more listener mail. And we're back 273 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: with more listener mail. Uh. And today I actually have 274 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: a piece of listener mail, not a voicemail, but an email. Um, 275 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: and if it's okay with you, fellas, I'd like to 276 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: read a bit about dreams. Oh now I'm dead dreams 277 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: episode Yeah, all right, This one comes from Benedict and 278 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: it starts off. Hey guys, a long time listener, first 279 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: time emailer. First of all, I really love your show. 280 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: The amount of brilliance and conspiracy thinking I hear from 281 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: you guys always keeps my brain on in uh in 282 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: tip top shape. Keep up the good work. Anyway. To 283 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: get to the point, I just heard your episode regarding 284 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: dreams and I thought it would be interesting to share 285 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: my families encounters regarding dreams to your fellow listeners UM 286 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: within our family, every time any one of us of 287 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: our kin has these losing teeth dreams that we talked 288 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: about on the episode, someone close to us or a 289 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: family member dies within a few days. I can personally 290 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: attest to this as it has happened to me three 291 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: times already, and it always proved to be true. Two 292 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: of my aunts UM and an uncle of mine died 293 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: of natural cause within a few weeks of me having 294 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: these weird teeth losing dreams. But of course it could 295 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: be nothing but a coincidence. But other relatives also experienced 296 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: the same ominous teeth dreams, so I don't know what 297 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: what's going on. Our family comes from a religious background 298 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: from Japan and Southeast Asia, so this precog native ability 299 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: could have come from that lineage. Our grandmother, when she 300 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: was still alive, once told us to never tell anyone 301 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: the next day that we had such dreams the night before, 302 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: and make sure to bite our actual teeth on a 303 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: small living plant, uh the very next day. Yeah, if 304 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the plant dies within a few days, then the relative 305 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: that's supposed to die is going to be saved. But 306 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: if the plant flourishes and stays alive, then there's nothing 307 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: we can do to save the ones that are destined 308 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: to perish from this earth. Hard you got a hard bite, 309 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: she said. These dreams are an ominous premonition, a kind 310 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: of dark gift of foresight given to our family that 311 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: we are experiencing for many generations. Again, thanks for the 312 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: wonderful show. You guys always keep me company whenever I'm 313 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: stuck in bumper to bumper traffic here in l A, 314 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: which is pretty notorious for its rush hour traffic jams. Uh. 315 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: Long time. Yeah, now, Um, that's that's a lot to unpack. Uh. 316 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: You know, we really did talk a lot about the 317 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: number of people in the world that have dreams every night. Um, 318 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: and you know it's in the billions. Um. And within 319 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: all of that, there's this sort of like numbers game 320 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: of like you know, uh, striking the lottery of of 321 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: you know, predicting quote unquote a thing that that is 322 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: going to happen. Um. But adding that extra layer of 323 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: this being a familial thing and it being the same 324 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: type of dream kind of complicates that one a little bit. 325 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting because I am absolutely a spiritual person, 326 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: and I think that there certainly is there are things 327 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: that we can't understand um fully or explain and and 328 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't know this. This feels like that maybe there 329 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: is some sort of gift of foresight that could be 330 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: passed down generationally. Who who were we to say, I 331 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: don't know what? What do? What? Do you? Fellas think? Well, 332 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: this is tremendously cool to me? Um? What what Benedict 333 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: is saying is that somehow there's an ability that that 334 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: has passed down as though almost a bloodline of I 335 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: don't know magic or being in tuned with you know 336 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: the other side in a way. Um. Really what a 337 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: lot of what our whole two part series was about 338 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: in predictive dreams, Um, this would be one of those 339 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: things that you know, if true or if if it 340 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: could be proven in some way, maybe you could get 341 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: closer to showing that there is some kind of wider 342 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: connected matrix of of time and existence that we keep 343 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: alluding to on a lot of these episodes. Because if 344 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: you if you're able to just buy just by knowing 345 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: you're having this dream, remember that you had that dream, 346 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: and then convey that to you know, your family in 347 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: some way, um, to let others know that something terrible 348 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: is coming. I don't know that'd be incredible. The problem 349 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: is it sounds really scatter shot, right if if one 350 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: of these dreams occurs, you have no idea who it's 351 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: going to be. Is gonna be somebody you care about? 352 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: I guess that's the one you be aware of. You 353 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: don't know the time, you don't know the length of time, 354 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: just to absolutely um. And there was an implication kind 355 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: of midway through the email that there was an awareness 356 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: of who was going to be, because the grandma said 357 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: something to the effect of, uh, if the plant dies 358 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: within a few days, then the relative that is supposed 359 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: to die is going to be saved. But if the 360 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: plant flourishes and stays alive and there's nothing we can 361 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: do to save the ones that are destined to perish 362 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: from this earth. So there's almost the implication that there 363 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: is with this gift, the ability to save them. But 364 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: this is coming from the the grandmother, the older generation 365 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: that's that's been experiencing this the whole time. Really, I 366 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: don't know, it's more diagnostic. I think the idea and 367 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: the tradition abiding the plant just gives you further information, 368 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: but maybe not further agency. I don't know about you all. 369 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm very hesitant to speak for all of us at once, 370 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: But on my end, this is something I have close 371 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: uh familiarity with in my family. It's a common thing 372 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: to the point where people will share a group text 373 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: or something like that where they they are convinced that 374 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: they have received some sort of alert, and so I 375 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: will if I approach it from a skeptical thing, because 376 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: I want to avoid my own confirmation bias. Here, then 377 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: we'd have to say, uh, pieces of information that can 378 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: wiggle our first uh, clairvoyance versus precognition, both of which 379 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: are still considered you know, extrasensory phenomenon. Am I having 380 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: a dream about? Like in this case, Benedict, you're having 381 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: a dream about something before happens, right, So precognitive. There 382 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: are other people who say they're having a dream or 383 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: vision while something is happening in real time. Like that's 384 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: where we hear the stories about a twins suddenly knowing 385 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: when their twin expires half a world away. Uh. Science 386 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: still has yet to explain both of those phenomenon. Another 387 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: thing would be you know that that length of time, right, 388 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Like if I have a dream and I think this 389 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: dream means someone will die, and I don't know what 390 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: my you know, how far out that is. Then I 391 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: could say that dream predicted an unfortunate death a year, 392 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, a year later. So it's tricky. And this 393 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: is not my personal opinion. That's just the what the 394 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: more skeptical approach would be. But I think a lot 395 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: of us, um, a lot of us have family folklore 396 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: like this. And maybe some of your friends don't talk 397 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: about it as readily, because again it's something that's stigmatized 398 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: here in the West. But I I wouldn't be surprised 399 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: if many of us have stories like this. Maybe not 400 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: as frequent as your family, Benedict, but uh, maybe not 401 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: as frequent as my own family. But I think we 402 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: all have some of those one off things that can't 403 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: be explained. As a matter of fact, I know a 404 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: lot of us do because we received a ton of 405 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: feedback about this, But we've all had I mean, the 406 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: three of us have had these inexplicable moments where we 407 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: investigate this stuff and think critically about it for a living, 408 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: and we have all been I'm not going to volunteer 409 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: you for this code named dot holiday. I don't know 410 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: if this happened to you. But I know that the 411 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: three of us have all, at one or more times 412 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: thought of every possible mundate explanation for something that happens 413 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: uh in the Sleeping world. And then eventually we all 414 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: three of us at some point I had to throw 415 00:24:53,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: up our hands and say, well, something's weird something you know. Yeah, 416 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: I think that's so. That's one of the fun parts 417 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: about this show is like we don't always feel the 418 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: need to have to debunk or prove or uh, you know, 419 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: poo poo something. I mean, I think we all have 420 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: different times where we believe the magic, you know, in 421 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: times where we are more willing to be completely skeptical 422 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: about it. And And I, for one think the dreams could 423 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: possibly be some kind of way of pulling information out 424 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: of the collective unconscious or whatever you wanna call it. 425 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I do believe that, yeah, the super consciousness, right, Yes, Ben, 426 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: I propose we have a new segment on every episode 427 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: and it is something's weird, and that's it comes after 428 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. It was like, something's weird. Here, 429 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: something's weird. This is this is literally our job. At 430 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: the best we could do with Dreams was to go 431 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: something something's uh, uh, yeah, we have It's true though, 432 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, and I appreciate you picking this one to 433 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: read Noel, because we know that the science of dreams 434 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: is still it's still an ongoing investigation, right uh. And 435 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: there are there may well be things we learned about 436 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: the neurocognitive processes that upend our entire understanding of dreams, 437 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: which are already really weird to begin with. Um, and 438 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: we have you know, we have so many people who 439 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: have written in with like, all, everybody listening to this show, 440 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Not to blow too much smoke at you, everybody listening 441 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: to this show is pretty exceptional in terms of the 442 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: way that we're thinking through things. So we've gotten emails, tweets, 443 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: we've probably all gotten personal messages on social media where 444 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: people say, look, I'm not crazy. But since you asked, 445 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: also off Mike, we're making the point. I think we 446 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: are predicted we would get a lot of feedback for 447 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: this because in real life it is very rare to 448 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: find someone who will listen to you talk about your dreams. 449 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: That's a reason, it's one of the reasons. Uh, it's 450 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: rare to find people who listen to you talk about yourself. 451 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: So that's why there's a whole industry of people paid 452 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: just to do that. Um. And I think part of 453 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: that really, I mean, you got to read the room 454 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: and not always talk about yourself. But but part of 455 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: that really is that dreams are stigmatized. And you know, 456 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: interpreting a dream does not mean that you are in 457 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: any way losing critical thinking skills. You know, think of 458 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: dream interpretation as a psychological tool, just like Damien Patrick 459 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: Williams said, you know, uh, he still has I don't 460 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: know what you guys, my favorite definition of magic weaponized psychology, 461 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: like whether or not you believe your mind is trying 462 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: to tell you about the future. Your mind is trying 463 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: to tell you something, and it's a lot smarter than 464 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: you without all the limitters of the conscious mind turned on. 465 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, here's wonder Wall. How did you know? That's 466 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: my favorite song and one that always appears in my dreams. 467 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Even if I can't make out the melodies, I can 468 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: just tell by the energy that song. What is a 469 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: wonder wall? Actually? Does he ever even talk about what 470 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: that is? Like? Dream? Like? Uh? Material there? And you know, 471 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: this is only one of many emails that we got 472 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: about dreams, about precognitive dreams, just about dreams and their 473 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: meaning and how you know, ben you you made a 474 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: really good point that this was gonna get a lot 475 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: of response because it's, uh, it's fun to tell people 476 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: about your dreams, and you don't often get solicited to 477 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: do that, so it's a great opportunity. Um. And it's 478 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: really a helpful way to find out a lot about 479 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: what listeners are thinking. I mean that they're their innermost thoughts. 480 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: Is what what a dream feels like to me? So 481 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: huge thanks to Benedict, Kevin, Mark, Skylar, Andy, uh An, Alicia. 482 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Let's see we've got Richard, Um, Christa, Stephanie and Mike Um. 483 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: I wish we had no more Jamie and Sarah Yeah, 484 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: and who else we got? Specific shout specific shout out 485 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: to Stephanie. Sorry to interrupt, but she told the story 486 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: about like predicting essentially saving herself from a potential abductor 487 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: crazy Yea, yeah, I like that. That's interesting too, because 488 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: it's sort of this idea of of dreams being in 489 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: some way uh you know, of course correcting, you know, 490 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: implement that your body has almost like a precognitive safeguard, 491 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, to protect you against negativity or bad things happen. 492 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: I got like a heavy talk about negativity, but I 493 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: think you see what I'm trying to say, fellas. Um, 494 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, I really enjoyed reading all of those, and um, 495 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: I think we'll take a quick sponsor break and then 496 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: come back with another listener mail and we're back. I'm 497 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: calling this a posit listener mail. Through various social media messages, posts, 498 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: and more, especially on the Here's where it Gets Crazy 499 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Facebook page, I'm reading people's responses to our Deep Cut 500 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: Suicides or Deep Cut Murders episode. If you guys remember 501 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: that that's over in the United Kingdom. We had a 502 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of people writing in. Would especially like to think 503 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: people like Wedge, Gabriel and Joe who wrote to us 504 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: about this episode. Let's let's go with Joe. Joe, you said, hi, 505 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: a longtime listener, first time caller here, referring to your 506 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: episode on the Deep Cut Suicides. I was in the 507 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: UK Armed Forces from two thousand nine to two thousand sixteen, 508 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: and everyone mostly referred to Deep Cut as cut throat, 509 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: which is self explanatory, says Joe. Why it would be 510 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: called that it was well known that it had a 511 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: cloud looming over that at camp. And if you think 512 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: that is interesting, wait till you hear about this. The 513 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: Bridge End or brig End suicide incidents. These were said 514 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: of suicides involving young people in Brigand County, or Bridge 515 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: and County Borough in South Wales. The reporters speculated that 516 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: a suicide cult was to blame. As of December two 517 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, there had been twenty six known suicides 518 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: in or around the county since January two thousand seven, 519 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: although police had no evidence to link the cases together. 520 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: Of the twenty six people who killed themselves, says Joe, 521 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: between two thousand seven January and two thousand nine February, 522 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: all but one had died from hanging. And he notes 523 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: there is a film that was loosely about these hangings. 524 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: And he says, and Joe, you say, I hope you 525 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: find this of interest and possibly could feature as an 526 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: episode on the podcast. I'll attach some links in this 527 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: emails should you wish to dive into this topic more. 528 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: Stay awoke, fellow conspiracy realist. That last line, Folks, is 529 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: meant for you. Uh and and this story that you 530 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: have told us, Joe, is both disturbing and true. This 531 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: is a very small town in Wales, and just in 532 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: case anybody's wondering, yes, that is an unusual amount of 533 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: suicides for that region over that period of time. It 534 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: is an unprecedented amount. It is an extraordinary amount. The 535 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: the people who have died, other than the commonality of 536 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: where they live and the method of suicide they chose, uh, 537 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: they're pretty disparate group. You know. They could range in 538 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: age from thirteen to forty one, even though most of 539 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: the victims were young adults. In fact, in two thousand ten, 540 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement us the local media to stop covering the 541 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: suicides because they were thinking, with this many people dying 542 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: against seventy nine people by two thousand twelve, with this 543 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: many people dying, they were worried that copycat suicides were 544 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: at least part of the cause. For comparison. The largest 545 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: town in this borough is called break End Itself Bridge 546 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: and its population is thirty nine thousand, seven seventy three. Uh. 547 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: The average rate of suicide, very grizzly statistic throughout Wales 548 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: and England is around eleven point one per one thousand people. 549 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: So either way you slice the pie, the number is 550 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: extraordinarily high. I don't know, what do you guys think 551 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: the idea of a suicide cult in real life? We 552 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: know it's some fiction. Um, we know there are suicide packs. 553 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 1: Could something like that have happened here? Well? I mean 554 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: we have real life suicide cults right like Heaven's Gate 555 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: and Jonestown and all that. Like, isn't that are we 556 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: differentiating in some way between those and and this? This 557 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: doesn't appear unless we find more. I find out more 558 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: right now. It doesn't appear to be uh an act 559 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: of a religious organization. Interesting. I mean I could see 560 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: it being more like a pact like you said, like 561 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: out of you know, some kind of bizarre, heavy handed 562 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: protest or something. But then wouldn't you want people to 563 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: know why and leave behind some kind of thing that 564 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: would condemn the people that you were trying to, you know, 565 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: lash out against with this very self defeating kind of action. 566 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting to think about. Yeah. Part 567 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: of it is responsibility of the media, perhaps because the 568 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: British media seemed to be some of the initial sourcing 569 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: for reports of a possible suicide cult, and some some 570 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: outlets later went back and recanted on that. But there 571 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: is gosh I guess we have two in one episode. Matt, 572 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: there is a throw up your hands to say, this 573 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: is weird moment here because that that rate of suicide 574 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: is far above what it would be. Uh, if all 575 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: other things are equal, and this bridge end suicide situation 576 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: is separate from the the deep cut, I mean, it's 577 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: just there's just like they're comparing them in some way, yes, 578 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: and that they are both series of deaths or a 579 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: cluster of of fatalities. Joe, I don't think you're saying 580 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: that these events are linked, but I think you are 581 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: saying that these are clusters of fatality that still have 582 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: official explanations that don't satisfy everybody. Right, I I get 583 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: it any younger, younger people who are dying where there 584 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: might be something more to the picture going on than 585 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: any news paper or authority understands. I think that's the 586 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: connection that's being made. I don't know about you all, 587 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: but I can feel my foot at the precipice of 588 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole here. There's a There's a lot to read. Uh, 589 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot to dig into. So I would like 590 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: to dive into this and return with more information in 591 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: the future. Joe, thank you for writing to us about this, 592 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: and for anyone else familiar with this case, please give 593 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: us your information and please give us your perspective on 594 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: these well, I should say cases. Uh the last thing 595 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: related to Deep Cut that I we have to have 596 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: a mention of here today. So I want to thank 597 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: the multiple people have written to us on social media 598 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy and via email in response 599 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: to the Deep Cut deaths. The fatalities right. The families 600 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: believe that these are homicides, and the government's official explanation 601 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: is that they are sue sides. Uh. Many of your 602 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: fellow listeners wrote in to tell us about the ongoing 603 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: strangeness and tragedies occurring at Fort Hood, Texas. For some 604 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: of us, that is best known as the compound where 605 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: army psychiatrist Major Nadal Hassan killed thirteen people injured thirty 606 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: two others in a mass shooting in two thousand and nine, 607 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: but it appears there have been multiple murders in Look 608 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: much more recently in Fort Hood. In fact, just a 609 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: few days ago, over the weekend as we record this, 610 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: a suspect was arrested in Mississippi for killing a Fort 611 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: Hood soldier as well as two other people. But that's 612 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: that's almost like a tangent to the story, because as 613 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: soon as you start digging into this, you see multiple 614 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: reports of people who have died under mysterious circumstances in 615 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: Fort Hood, Texas. And I feel like this is like 616 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: SPC Vanessa, Gillian PVT mahor Morta Francisco, Gilberto Hernandez Vargus, 617 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: Like there are multiple people cold Jacob Eton. This This 618 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: has not been as much, This has not been featured 619 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: as heavily in the news as you would think it 620 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: would be, given that these people are dying in Fort Hood, 621 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, the one that I've been reading about 622 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: mostly is the that person that was just discovered in Mississippi, 623 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: who you know, allegedly killed two people. I don't know. 624 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: It feels very weird. It feels weird that I recognize 625 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: the name fort Hood and I'm in Atlanta, and it's 626 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: been in the national news enough times in the past decade, 627 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: roughly due to strangeness that's been going on there, or 628 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: shootings or tag or deaths. Um, it feels like it's 629 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: worth our time to do some some pretty serious digging. Yeah, agreed. 630 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: There have been twenty three deaths this year among the 631 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: thirty six thousand five soldiers of Fort Hood, and that's 632 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: according to Fort Hood officials themselves. But the more we're 633 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: diving into some specifics behind several of these deaths, we're 634 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: seeing some strange things. Uh. Without without saying more until 635 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: we do the due diligence of research, this sounds like 636 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: an episode all its own, So please right in and 637 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: let us know if you have more information about this 638 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: or if you have firsthand information. We try to make 639 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: it very easy to contact us in a way that 640 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: protects your anonymity to the best of our ability, and 641 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: we'll never use your name on air if you do 642 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: not want us to. Uh. With that being said, again, 643 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: thank you very much Joe for hitting us to this 644 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: incredibly important story that was news to all of us. 645 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: Thank you as well to Stephanie Benedict, Andrew, Andy, Analysia, Sarah, Jamie, 646 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: Claire Skyler, Kevin and Richard for telling us more about 647 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: the strange world of dreams. And thank you too, Dennis, 648 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: who gave us I Think Baby, our season's first ghost 649 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: story on air today of hopefully many more to come. Definitely, 650 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: if you want to be like all of those people, 651 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: we just mentioned. Reach out to us however you wish. 652 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: Find us on social media where we are conspiracy stuff 653 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: or Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram. You can message us 654 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: right to us however you want. Through those channels. You 655 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: can find us on Here's where it gets Crazy our 656 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,720 Speaker 1: Facebook group. Check it out and join up. Just mentioned 657 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: one of our names or UH or Doc Holiday or 658 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: whoever you want to name Mission Control, just put it, 659 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,959 Speaker 1: put something a little in their code name dot Holiday, 660 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: Mr Control, whatever, it doesn't matter. You can get in. 661 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: You talk to other conspiracy realists who are listening and 662 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: thinking about the same things. Maybe you're thinking about it 663 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: just makes us laugh, you know what I mean? Uh? 664 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: Or the things always get be is when we get 665 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: trolled a little, and it's clear that listened to the show. Uh, 666 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: it was one person who just said ha ha, because 667 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: that's what your favorite laugh was that the is that 668 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: the truck driver where someone who heard yeah, no, exactly 669 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: that that's his catchphrase. I was just making sure I 670 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: was catching the right ref Um also really love tracking 671 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: all of the hilarious uh and incorrect spellings of various names. 672 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: Decant is always a fun one and UH and I 673 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: get everything from n O l L to k n 674 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: O L L to n O L e L Yeah, exactly, 675 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: and oh man, you should see how people spell Matt. 676 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: It's awful, it's wild. You know. Some of those letters 677 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: are cyrillic. Wanted to tell you that. Plus all this, 678 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: they call him blah blah blah. Nothing right. But if 679 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: you if you don't care for social needs, if there 680 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: is another technological ale that is more, there's more in 681 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: your badger bag, then just call us directly. We have 682 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: a phone number. We made it just for you. Please 683 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: use it or our corporate overlords will get incredibly cross 684 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: with us. The number is one eight three three st 685 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: d w y t K. Just use this like this 686 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: person who is a robocaller apparently. Uh, it will go 687 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: directly to us. We will hear whatever you want to say, 688 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: and we're excited to hear from you. So again, one 689 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: eight three three st d w y t K in 690 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: the morning. I'm kidding. It's not a radio shore. Yeah. Hey, 691 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: if you don't want to do any of that stuff, 692 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: but you still want to reach out and a little 693 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 1: more of an antiquated way, you can just send us 694 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: a good old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at I 695 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com Stuff they Don't Want You to 696 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: Know is a production of I heart Radio. For more 697 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,479 Speaker 1: podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart radio app, 698 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.