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Speaker 1: to you. But what I like about college football is

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Speaker 1: the success you have long term in college football is

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Speaker 1: not always tied to size of media market, which is

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Speaker 1: way different in pro sports major League Baseball. I grew

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Speaker 1: I was watching Oakland in the early two thousands, and

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Speaker 1: also like the color schemes still do. It's a shame

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Speaker 1: what's happened to the organization, but it's a small market organization.

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Speaker 1: Nothing was ever going to change, that is the point.

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Speaker 1: And in pro sports you have baked in advantages if

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Speaker 1: if you're in one of the markets twenty to twenty

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Speaker 1: five on the meter. In college football, look where the

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Speaker 1: superpowers are, Like Clemson one back to back titles parked

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Speaker 1: in Clemson, South Carolina. Alabama has been perhaps the greatest

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Speaker 1: dynasty in the history of the sport, and they've done

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Speaker 1: it multiple times and they're in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. So here's

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Speaker 1: where I'm conflicted on this. If you wanted to just

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Speaker 1: Alabama's gotten preferential coverage and treatment for a lot long time.

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Speaker 1: You're dead on the money. What I would just do,

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Speaker 1: do is I'm not going to look at programs and

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Speaker 1: groups of people that seventy five or one hundred years

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Speaker 1: ago decided we're going to take this thing seriously. We're

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Speaker 1: going to prioritize it, we're going to invest in it,

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Speaker 1: We're going to market it where everyone is going to

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Speaker 1: understand that we're just a freight train. We're moving the

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Speaker 1: same direction and it's about football. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: if we're in College Station, Texas, Columbia, Missouri, Tuscaloose, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: wherever we are. That's what we're going to take seriously.

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Speaker 1: If you do that decade over decade and you build

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Speaker 1: up that equity, to me, you're going to have bias

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Speaker 1: in your favor. You've probably been successful over multiple years.

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Speaker 1: Why would I be mad at that. I'd be mad

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Speaker 1: Also appreciate Ryan and Coach Drinkwitz. And everyone has welcomed

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Speaker 1: us with open arms here in Columbia today, and we

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the calendars around here. It's

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Speaker 1: mid to late March. Yeah, some schools out there are

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Speaker 1: diving into springball. You guys are done with springball already,

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Speaker 1: right and roomor on the street is you had pretty

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Speaker 1: like twice. Yeah, So I don't know how that works out.

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Speaker 1: But what's the methodology behind choosing to go that.

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Speaker 2: Early for spring There's a lot of different reasons. It

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Speaker 2: starts with player safety. Anytime you divide spring practice over

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Speaker 2: spring break, most people will get a few in and

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Speaker 2: then they give everybody a nine day layoff and then

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Speaker 2: they come.

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Speaker 3: Back and practice.

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Speaker 2: Research says that that's the greatest opportunity to injure your players,

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Speaker 2: and so you know, we try to reduce that. Our

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Speaker 2: spring break is the last week in March, so it

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Speaker 2: gives us an opportunity to get all of it done

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Speaker 2: before March. Don't put them in that risk as far

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Speaker 2: as injury. But then it allows us to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is what we have this.

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Speaker 3: Is where we're at. Where we're at, and this is five.

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Speaker 2: Months of uninterrupted training to get better. And we utilize

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Speaker 2: April with spring access through the NCAA for walkthroughs, we

548
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Speaker 2: use June for OTAs, and our strength coach is allowed

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Speaker 2: to really get our guys right. And you look, you

550
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Speaker 2: think about the college football cycle, there's really not another

551
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Speaker 2: time period where you can get four to five months

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Speaker 2: of uninterrupted training for your guys.

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Speaker 3: And so as a as a you.

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Speaker 2: Know, developmental program, a group that you know, we pride

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Speaker 2: ourselves on really getting our players better and finding different

556
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Speaker 2: ways to improve them not only fundamentally but speed athletic movements.

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Speaker 2: This is the best way, most effective way for us.

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Speaker 1: So I think typical fans, they see you, they see

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Speaker 1: you wind the Cotton Bowl, which we'll talk about in

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Speaker 1: a little while. Then they got a little break. Then

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Speaker 1: you go into springball. Then you got this long break

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Speaker 1: and they don't really check back in with you, maybe

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Speaker 1: until media days or fall camp starts, and there's this

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Speaker 1: great unknown of like what is ELI drink? What's doing

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Speaker 1: on a random Tuesday in June. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of you guys interact with other staffs, some of you

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Speaker 1: even get out on the road and go visit with

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Speaker 1: other staffs, and you've of course got a million and

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Speaker 1: one things going on behind the curtain. So like we

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Speaker 1: peaked behind that curtain and I look at your schedule

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Speaker 1: for the next five months, what's some stuff on there

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Speaker 1: that a normal Tiger fan in Jefferson City never would

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Speaker 1: have guessed you'd be doing well?

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Speaker 2: Probably taking my kids to school, you know. That's one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we love to do as a

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Speaker 2: staff in April when spring ball is over, is we

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Speaker 2: bump our staff meetings back to eight fifteen in the

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Speaker 2: morning so the coaches can make sure they can take

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Speaker 2: their kids to school. I think it's important for us

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Speaker 2: to try to have some semblance of balance with our families.

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Speaker 2: But outside of that, it's typically what you think. You know,

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Speaker 2: our mornings we spend recruiting, evaluating tape, and then the

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Speaker 2: afternoons we spend time on ball. We'll do a staff

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Speaker 2: retreat in April. I think I've got at least ten

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Speaker 2: caravan dates where we're going around city. We're actually going

586
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Speaker 2: to jeff City, we'll go to Chicago, we'll go to Dallas,

587
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: We'll go to different cities and promote Tiger football.

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Speaker 3: And then in June, Man, it's it's camp season.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: We have all kinds of little kids camps, evaluation camps,

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Speaker 2: travel camps, going and seeing, you know, what are the

592
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Speaker 2: future prospects for the Tigers. Play a little golf as

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Speaker 2: far as you know, Tiger caravans. We'll do some some

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Speaker 2: golf outings and some fundraising and and and then we'll

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Speaker 2: squeeze in some time, you know. Tuesday afternoons we do

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Speaker 2: individual with our players. Wednesdays during June we do brotherhood

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Speaker 2: and ball a lot of different things. And then Fridays

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Speaker 2: we have Elite Edge Fridays where we'll do some specific

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Speaker 2: training for those guys and for our team team building.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned a word, they're fundraising. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: always been baked into the head coach's job, but it's really, really,

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Speaker 1: really the head coaches job now. So no one wants

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Speaker 1: to sound like they're complaining on record about anything. Ever, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. One of the most consistent bits of

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Speaker 1: feedback that I've gotten from you guys, and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about coaches specifically at the head coaching position is Man,

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Speaker 1: there is a disproportionate amount of weight withinil placed on

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Speaker 1: us to spearhead fundraising, and it has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with coaching ball, It has nothing to do with developing

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Speaker 1: my guys. But yet I got twenty four hours in

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Speaker 1: a day and bigger and bigger that chunk on the

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Speaker 1: pie chart gets dedicated to things that are way way

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Speaker 1: off the field and out of this building. Where's your

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Speaker 1: mind on all that?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a competitive advantage to win, right, and it's

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Speaker 2: within the framework of the rules to there's no limit

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Speaker 2: to what you can provide your student athletes through NIL

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Speaker 2: except what you can fundraise.

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Speaker 3: So for us, it's.

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Speaker 2: What can I do to give our team, our program,

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Speaker 2: our players the best advantage to try to win a championship.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like anything else, like if it's up

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Speaker 2: to me to get it done, then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: try to do everything within my power every waking second

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Speaker 2: to figure out, Okay, what is it we can do,

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Speaker 2: What phone calls can we make, What are the ends

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Speaker 2: that we have?

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Speaker 3: Is there a fortune five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Business in the state of Missouri's a Tiger alum that

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Speaker 2: we can get a hold of to see if we

631
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: can spark a passion or interest, Because again, like it

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Speaker 2: is the fuel to success right now. And so, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just one of those things

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Speaker 2: that if it gives us a competitive advantage, man, then

635
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Speaker 2: I owe it to our team and I owe it

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Speaker 2: to this university in our program to do everything possible

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Speaker 2: to try to maximize it.

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Speaker 1: So if I went to Missouri in nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 1: and I've gone on to make fortunes and whatever sector,

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Speaker 1: call me and you try and light that fire, and

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Speaker 1: you try and open my check book a little bit

644
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: more and bring my interest up a little bit more.

645
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: How similar does that feel to a recruiting call or

646
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: a recruiting process.

647
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: It's very similar, you know.

648
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing about recruiting, and that's the

649
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: thing about fundraising is you try to figure out what

650
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: do they know about the University of Missouri, and how

651
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: can I tie their experience or pass thought processes.

652
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: Into the university.

653
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, I think recruiting, really established is based on

654
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: three things. It's based on relationships. It's based on selling.

655
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: You're either selling what you've done in the past or

656
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: what you plan to do in the future. And then

657
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: it's about having a unique on campus experience, something that

658
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: they haven't done anywhere else. You know, you don't want

659
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: to go to a cookie cutter visit to Missouri, to Ole,

660
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: miss to Georgia. You know, you got to distinguish yourself somehow.

661
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: And so it's just really the same thing in fundraising.

662
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: You know, there was somebody that we were able to

663
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: really develop a strong relationship with in the fundraising department,

664
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: hadn't really been associated with the university for a while.

665
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: But when I sat down and had breakfast with him,

666
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, it was tied back into he remembered when

667
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: we beat Notre Dame three to nothing back in the seventies,

668
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: or when we went to beat USC or the first

669
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: time that we beat Nebraska, you know, and so at

670
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: that point it was about starting the echoes of his

671
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: and in trying to getting back involved.

672
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: When you came here from app State. I'm always curious

673
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: with any coach who takes over a new job, how

674
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: long does it take you to get that place to

675
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: understand the stuff you're talking about? Like what mattered to

676
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: some of these people in the seventies. Yeah, what is

677
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: the program today, what could it be?

678
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: Like?

679
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: How long does it take to fully immerse yourself in that?

680
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was actually one of the things

681
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: that I misjudged becoming the head coach here was how

682
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: long it would take me. And every place is uniquely different.

683
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: It has its own unique story and the same things

684
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: and approaches that I had that worked for me at

685
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Appalachian State weren't going to work here. And I didn't

686
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: realize that until after I was like, Okay, is this

687
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: direction is not going to go? You know, I think

688
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: every place has its own stories in unique fabric. It's

689
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a timetable on it, right,

690
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: but I do think after my second year, I felt

691
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: more and more comfortable about, Okay, these are the people,

692
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: these are the key stakeholders in the university. These are

693
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: the key stakeholders in the program. This is the history

694
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: of the university. This is what we can sell, these

695
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: are some things, These are areas that we can work on.

696
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: And this is the excitement about the future. And I

697
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: think that's really kind of where we're at right now.

698
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: Is a little bit of success that we had last

699
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: year gives us an excitement about Okay, this place can

700
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: be all the things that we've dreamed about, and we've

701
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: got a roadmap of how to do it. Now we've

702
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: got to consistently put those things in place.

703
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: If you would have sketched out on a pizza box

704
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: for me when you took the job, here's how I

705
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: think it's gonna go. Like, here's how I think I'm

706
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it, and I'm gonna be able to do it.

707
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: How much of that has a line through it now?

708
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: How much of it it's been consistent and we've adhered

709
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: to it.

710
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like that old tweet you see,

711
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: where like everybody thinks the line of success is like this,

712
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: and then it's really like this.

713
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: That would be the story.

714
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, oh, shoot, day I stepped foot

715
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: on here, man, We'll get this thing cranking.

716
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: And it was really like mayn highs and lows.

717
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: And you know, I think about some of the excitement

718
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: from year one, right when we beat we beat LSU

719
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: right out here, the defending national champion. You know, on

720
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: the last play of the game, we beat Arkansas game

721
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: ending kick, we beat Kentucky out here. You know, those

722
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: were unbelievable moments. But then I think about the next year,

723
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: the lows of just getting smoked at home by Tennessee,

724
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 2: losing the bowl game. You know, there were tremendous hides

725
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: and tremendous lows, But it was our ability to continue

726
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: to believe in the process.

727
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 3: I think.

728
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: You know, one of the guys that I attribute the

729
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: most to our ability to succeed was is Ryan Russell.

730
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: Our director of athletic Performance.

731
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: His ability to be consistent in his approach, in his

732
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: ability to preach, hey, this is going to.

733
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: Be our success. We just have to stick with it.

734
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: And his faith in the process, along with our faith

735
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: and our process, I think really pushed us into the

736
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: success that we've had.

737
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You're the one, ultimately

738
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: this tasked with casting the vision for the organization. Yeah,

739
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: so things aren't going to go well every day yet

740
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: you have to adhere to the process. But you also

741
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: have to understand when to change something. So where's the

742
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: balance of things didn't go well today, But don't worry.

743
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: We're not linear, but overall our trajectory is right versus no,

744
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: we need a course correction in this department or that compartment.

745
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me it really came down to.

746
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: I believe strongly in our core values. I believe strongly

747
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: in being a developmental program. I believe strongly in how

748
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: we recruit the right fit for our program.

749
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: But sometimes the x's and o's and the strategies need

750
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: to change.

751
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: And for me personally, it was about giving up play

752
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: calling and being more involved in the day to day

753
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: of our players' lives and be more involved in the

754
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: day to day of getting fundraisers and going out and

755
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: recruiting and getting the players here and empowering our coaches

756
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: to have more x's and o success.

757
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: I just wasn't able to put.

758
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: The time that I needed to in into all facets

759
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: of the program. You know, when you're the offensive coordinator

760
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: at a school or the quarterbacks coach, you can really

761
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: focus in on just this area. And when you become

762
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: the head coach, you're in charge of all of it

763
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: and you can't shun your responsibilities like I was, of

764
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: being the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for other successes

765
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: or other job responsibilities. And so when I was looking

766
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: back at Okay, what do we have to change?

767
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: What are some things? You know?

768
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: I actually had written it down to my journal man.

769
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: We got to turn everything upside down and figure out,

770
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, after we'd lost a wake force, like we

771
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: got to look at everything and see, you know, what

772
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: is it that's really good and what is it that's

773
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: got to be changed? And ultimately that erro just came

774
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: right back to me like I had to change. I

775
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: had to do something different because the core values were good,

776
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: because the players in our program were good. Because I

777
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: believed in the process of what we were doing in

778
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: the weight room, I felt like, Okay, that could be

779
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: just a little change that could have a dramatic success.

780
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: How long have you kept a journal?

781
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Well, honestly since two thousand and.

782
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: When I went down to Auburn as a GA, I

783
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I'm going to just write some

784
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: different things that have occurred.

785
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Just a really good year to start journaling a really

786
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: good place.

787
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good year, especially with all the different things.

788
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: In fact, I've actually told Chiz I kept every one

789
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: of our staff notes and I have it in a bundle.

790
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: He wants to look back at it at some time.

791
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: I just haven't sent it to him yet. But it's

792
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: interesting when you look back and see the highs and

793
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: lows from college football.

794
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: Man.

795
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: Of course that season was a lot of highs, but

796
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: it's a unique journey for sure.

797
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: What would be the most outside of the twenty ten

798
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: Auburn Yeah, what would be some of the most interesting

799
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: chapters in there? Because it's going to be a book

800
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: one day, so let's just go ahead and talk about it.

801
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: What would be the most interesting chapter so far?

802
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: Boy, there's all kinds of interesting chapters. I think probably

803
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: one of the ones that really defines my career is

804
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: I've been hired at Arkansas State. We win the conference championship,

805
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: Coach Malson accepts the job at Auburn. All right, they

806
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: hire somebody that I'd never met before, have no connection

807
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: to Brian Horson at Arkansas State. I really have three

808
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: different scenarios.

809
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: Going on right there.

810
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: I could go back to my hometown be the head

811
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: football coach, which would have paid a lot of money.

812
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: I could have gone to Auburn in an off the

813
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: field role where I could really try to get a

814
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: job at Arkansas State. And so, man, I put everything

815
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: I had into trying to get a job at Arkansas State.

816
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: In fact, I turned down the head football job at Alma.

817
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: I told coach Malason I wasn't going to go to Auburn,

818
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: and I put everything into getting that job, and he ultimately,

819
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: coach Harson gave me an opportunity, interviewed me, waited about

820
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: five days and called me when I was going back

821
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: home for Christmas to celebrate Christmas before we left for

822
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: the bowl game, and offered me a job. And really

823
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: ultimately that changed the trajectory of my career. And so

824
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: I think that was probably the most gut wrenching time

825
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: period for me coaching college football.

826
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: You ever keep that in mind when you're hiring guys

827
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: and and how long it takes, and I know it's

828
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: a process, like you got to go through the process,

829
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: but at the same time, guys are just waiting.

830
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's when you when you get in

831
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: these roles, you start realizing that there's a lot of

832
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: different aspects to hiring and firing people or moving on

833
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: or giving opportunities, and it's it's a real challenge because

834
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot more people affected than just the people

835
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: in our building. There's there's there's a lot of lives

836
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: being affected and usually kids lives and and it's a lot,

837
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: it's a lot. But at the end of the day,

838
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: you know Chiz used to tell us this all the time.

839
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: As the head coach, his loyalty was to Auburn and

840
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: his loyalty was to the university.

841
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: That's what they hired him to do.

842
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: And I think one of the challenges that I've had

843
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: as a head coach is separating personal relationships.

844
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: From professional relationships.

845
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: And being able to separate friendship from business and holding

846
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: people to a standard and not allowing, you know, those

847
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: lines to be blurred.

848
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: So I was watching you recently and you did you

849
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: did the podcast give me the title of it again,

850
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Think like a farmer, Think like a farmer. Is set

851
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: up amazing, like aesthetically that thing's awesome. Yeah, and twice

852
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: now I've tried to remember the name of it on air,

853
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: and very unprofessionally, I've forgotten it. So so that's why

854
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: we brought you on the show today. I appreciate it.

855
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: You talked about the thing with you and Hypel and

856
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: everyone grabbed onto it. You also threw a little apology

857
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: out there for Dan Mullen and no one grabbed onto it.

858
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: And did that surprise you at all?

859
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? That surprised me.

860
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: I think I've visited this whole Tennessee stuff enough, but yeah,

861
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like, looking back, there was something

862
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: that was set in a radio interview that was, you know,

863
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: not not fair to coach Mullen. I have a lot

864
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: of respect for coach Mullan, and I think he did

865
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: an outstanding job at Florida, and I think he's a

866
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: very professional, good football coach and a good man. And so,

867
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to apologize to him if that

868
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: got taken out of context or so. Yeah, and I

869
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: was surprised that it really didn't hit the internet. But

870
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: you know, maybe this will keep this, Maybe this will

871
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: keep Dan from ranking US so low or picking against US,

872
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: you know now that he's at ESPN.

873
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: But that's how the media is. Yeah, the media. Man,

874
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: when you guys go down to Destin or when you're

875
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: when you're in a room physically with all the SEC

876
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: head coaches, there's never cameras, No one gets to go

877
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: in there, and so there's like this theater of the

878
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: mind that builds up with a lot of folks about

879
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: what the vibe must be like inside that room. What's

880
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the vibe in a room full of SEC head coaches.

881
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Before the meeting starts.

882
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: It's very relaxed, it's it's very candid, it's it's funny.

883
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, forget about all that stuff, and then the meeting.

884
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: Starts, and then what happens, Well, then Lane shows up,

885
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: you know, in his jogger short yoga jaga pants, and

886
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: who knows it goes off the rails at that point.

887
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: No, it's it's very professional.

888
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you got some of the greatest minds in

889
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: college football in a room, and at the end of

890
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: the day, especially now in the meetings that I've been at,

891
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: we're all all trying to do the very best we can,

892
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: not only for our universities, but for the game of

893
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: college football. And I felt like, you know, last week

894
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: this past year winter meetings, you know, we had some

895
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: very serious conversations about the recruiting calendar, and I felt like, man,

896
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: as a collective group, we did as good a job

897
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: as any meeting that I had been in about offering solutions.

898
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: In fact, I think.

899
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: Coach Napier had the best idea and we all kind

900
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: of ran with it about moving up signing day to

901
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: the first Wednesday and making December a dead period so

902
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: that we could eliminate this speed speed of getting into

903
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: the portal you get into the portal so quick because

904
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: people were trying to go on visits. But if you

905
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: make December dead, then we're able to allow our teams

906
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: to finish the bowl season, finish college football playoffs. And

907
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: if you make January the time that guys will go

908
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: out and figure out where they're going, you know, you

909
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: might reduce the stress on the coaches. So man, I

910
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: felt like all of us, you know, kind of had

911
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: some good ideas and that and pushed it. Coach Smarts

912
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: on the Rules Oversight Committee, you know that he was

913
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: sitting in the room and telling we have a SEC

914
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: head Coaches text threat, and he was telling us like, hey,

915
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: this rules up. What is everybody's take on it? So

916
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: I think more now, more than ever, we're really trying

917
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: to work together for the game and try to do

918
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: what's best again for the SEC and for college football.

919
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: There's still times where, you know, we do have some

920
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: arguments and some pushback about what's best for maybe my

921
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: school versus what's best for their school. One of them

922
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: was about unbalanced formations, what's best for the offensive side

923
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: of the ball versus what's best for the defensive side.

924
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: Of the ball.

925
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: But for the most part, it's pretty professionally.

926
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: What about the what about that calendar change? You just

927
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: talked about it for a second. I know a lot

928
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: of us in our world, in the college football world,

929
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: we're paying attention to, Oh, there's going to be a

930
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: signing date right in the middle of conference championship week.

931
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: But a lot of the high school guys are looking

932
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: at the really really early signing date and they're asking,

933
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: what's this going to do senior year of a high

934
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: school kid. I've set in those symposiums, I've listened to

935
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: all the ideas. There is no perfect idea. So in

936
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: terms of the negatives with the new setup, how serious

937
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: do you think that is high school coaches concerned about

938
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: what early early commitments may do and early signings may

939
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: do to their kids senior seasons.

940
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ultimately, I was a high school football coach. That's

941
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: that's what I was, what I got into, why I

942
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: got into it, helped about twenty four players go play

943
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Division One football over the course of my time. I'm

944
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: absolutely against the June signing period. I think it speeds

945
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: everything up. Coach Saban talked about this for as long

946
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: as he was in those meetings. Every time we move

947
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: something up, we just expediate the time with which recruiting begins.

948
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: We've already got where now June or January you can

949
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: actually have visit. You know, you can visit with somebody

950
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: in a school. You basically are doing home visits just

951
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: at the school. You know, if somebody start has the

952
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: ability to sign in June, going to start asking about

953
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: getting in IL, which is legal in some states, including

954
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: my state.

955
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: Right, you're also going to have guys.

956
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: You know, really, when December signing period began, that's when

957
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: you started seeing guys early and roly, and now it's

958
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: become the norm. And so again you're fast forwarding the

959
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: track of a senior. They're never going to get this

960
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: time back. Their senior year in high school is some

961
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: of the best time of their life.

962
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: And they're not going to go to prom.

963
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: They're not going to get that to play for state

964
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: championships in basketball and baseball and wrestling and track. But

965
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: I think if you start doing it in Junie, you're

966
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: going to start getting guys reclassified. We're already starting to

967
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: see that it's going to become more of a norm.

968
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: Are you going to start seeing guys opt out of

969
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: their senior years in high school. Right, then what happens

970
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: when coaches coaching changes happen. So I just think that

971
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: the negative's far out weigh the benefit. Again, are we

972
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: doing it for the student athlete or are we doing.

973
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: It for college football?

974
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: And I think those questions don't get weighed enough, right, Like,

975
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: if we're doing it truly the student athlete, then make

976
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: it make sense.

977
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: But none of.

978
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Those negatives are better for the student athlete. They're all

979
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: better for whatever coach gets the you know, oh well,

980
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: now we can have July vacation.

981
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: Come on, man, what's best for the student athlete? What's

982
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: best for the high school coach?

983
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: And again, those student athletes, those players, those coaches are

984
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: the collateral damage for us, and that for me is

985
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: why I'm against it. You know, moving it up the

986
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: first Wednesday and December again, that could have an impact

987
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: on the conference championship teams, right, but you can't legislate

988
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: college football based off of two teams or eight teams.

989
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: How many power conferences do we have now? Yeah? Four? Yeah,

990
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 3: so eight teams? No, something like that.

991
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: You know, in the NFL, the better you do, the

992
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: more you get punished in the in the draft process. Yeah,

993
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: in college football, you don't really have that. And so

994
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: I heard one person the other day put it this way.

995
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: If the closest you come to getting punished for success

996
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: and college football is you got to worry about signing

997
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: your next top class as you get ready to play

998
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: a conference title game. Peanuts compared to what the pro

999
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: guys do. And I listened to it and I said,

1000
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: number one, I'm gonna steal it. Yeah, number two, it

1001
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: actually makes sense.

1002
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so again, the NFL has mastered the market

1003
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: of making sure that they're relevant year round, right, and

1004
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: the most success, the more success you have, they penalize

1005
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: you in the draft. But what people have failed to

1006
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: realize in this new college football playoff model, in what

1007
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: we're trying to do is in the NFL, there's thirty

1008
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: two teams and sixteen teams make the playoffs. The other

1009
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: sixteen teams either sell a new coach or they sell that.

1010
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: They are getting the top five draft pick in college football.

1011
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: What are we selling to the.

1012
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: Other Again, if we're saying that there's one hundred and

1013
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: thirty six Division one playing schools and only twelve make

1014
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs, what are we selling to all these other

1015
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: fan bases to keep them actively engaged. And that's where

1016
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned right now, because you know,

1017
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: in the NFL, a nine to seven team is going

1018
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: to make the play and so everybody's, oh, we're tired

1019
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: of seeing these six and six teams in bowl games.

1020
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: We're not tired of seeing eight and eight teams or

1021
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: nine and seven teams in the playoffs. So again, we're

1022
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: not celebrating the success. I think the bowl games are

1023
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: really important to the student athlete experience, but they're really

1024
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 2: important to keeping the fans engaged to what I consider

1025
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: the greatest game in the world, in my opinion, is

1026
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: college football because it really is deep down in the

1027
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: fabric of the United States. I mean, it gets into

1028
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: the communities. You know, NFL again is great, but it's

1029
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: thirty two major cities, right, college football gets into I

1030
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: mean at the again, at the University of Missouri, we're

1031
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: the only Division one playing school in the state. We

1032
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: touch around seven million people's lives. We have an alumni

1033
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: bases in Kansas City and Saint Louis and you know,

1034
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: Saint Joe in Cape Girardo.

1035
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1036
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: You go to states like New Mexico, their team made

1037
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament right now. I mean there's two million

1038
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: people that are fired up. They don't have anything else.

1039
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: They don't have an NBA team, NFL team, at NHL team.

1040
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: They have and their other their universe. Yeah, they're the

1041
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: famous places. The government won't even let them go. Yeah, exactly.

1042
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: So I think that's one area that I'm a little

1043
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: bit concerned. As we continue to chase the dollar from

1044
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: a business aspect, we better be sure that we keep

1045
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: the most important people that make our sports so great,

1046
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: the fans engaged.

1047
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: How often do you find yourself watching decisions get made,

1048
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: conferences get realigned, playoff gets expanded. You see billions of

1049
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: dollars in a new TV deal and it's directly impacting

1050
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: you because you're a head coach of a major college

1051
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: football program. But maybe you look at it and say,

1052
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know what went into that. It's not

1053
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: going to impact what I do the rest of my

1054
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: workday here, So it just is what it is. Or

1055
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: do you try and stay looped in enough to where, hey,

1056
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: if your cousin asks you about it, you sound informed

1057
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: on it.

1058
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, I try to stay as looped in as possible

1059
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: because I think, again, you're always trying to find the

1060
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: best competitive advantage that you have, right. I think the

1061
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: challenge is when decisions are being made about things all

1062
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: at nil or transfer portal or recruiting calendar, and the

1063
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 2: input that you had was totally ignored. Yeah, right, And

1064
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: I think that's where you're getting That's where the frustration

1065
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: begins for me. And I know our commissioners are trying

1066
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: to do the best they can, but they have very

1067
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: limited expertise in what we actually deal with on a

1068
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: day to day basis. And it's the same really with

1069
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: athletic directors and the heads of the NCAA, Like they're

1070
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: not boots on the ground, right If you look at

1071
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: Colin Pollen when he talks about leadership, boots on the

1072
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: ground impact the decisions, right because they actually know what's

1073
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: going on.

1074
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: And I think a little.

1075
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: Bit in the NCAA and a little bit and what

1076
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: decisions are being made, there's not enough expertise in the

1077
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Speaker 2: actual day to day of what's going on when the

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Speaker 2: decisions are being made.

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Speaker 1: I think I've had about a million, folks, you may

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Speaker 1: be a million and one say the last voices being

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Speaker 1: taken into account when making football decisions are football people's voice,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like that's the sentiment that you pretty

1083
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Speaker 1: much feel as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, I look at and it's not just about football,

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Speaker 2: right you look at some of the conference realignment. Those

1086
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: are football based decisions that are affecting in a lot

1087
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Speaker 2: of other sports. Right when we talk about I mean

1088
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Speaker 2: you and I Off Cambell, we're talking about Cal.

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Speaker 3: Joining the ACC.

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Speaker 2: You talking about Oregon being in the Big Ten, Washington

1091
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Speaker 2: being in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: That's all great, that's all awesome. Those are football based decisions.

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Speaker 2: But what about the other sports that are fixing to

1094
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: have to all the travel, all the different things that

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00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: impact those student athletes. Were those student athletes considered in

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00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: the decision making process? If they were, and that's the

1097
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: best decision made great, I'm just asking the question was

1098
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: where they thought about? And as we continue to move

1099
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Speaker 2: forward in this unprecedented time of college football in college

1100
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 2: sports in general, I'm not complaining at all. I think

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00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: I think what I've seen from our student athletes, from

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00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: our football players, and how they've greatly benefit from NIL. Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm pro inil is all get out. I want them

1104
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Speaker 2: to earn as much as possible. I just want to

1105
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: make sure that we try to keep every student athlete's

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Speaker 2: experience the best that it possibly can be.

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Speaker 1: I've talked on our show a lot about Blake Baker,

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00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: Kevin Peeples and those guys just went to LSU and

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00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: it was part of, for my money, one of the

1110
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: most underrated staffs in the country last year. Magazine Culture

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Speaker 1: is really good at emphasizing what you lose, players and coaches,

1112
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: What did you lose? Maybe not so much focus on

1113
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: how did you backfill it? What do you have? So

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Speaker 1: walk me through backfilling those positions and how you feel

1115
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: about the staff you have now.

1116
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, first off, absolutely have a ton of respect for

1117
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: Blake Baker and Kevin Peeples and the job that they

1118
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: did for us for the past two seasons. Would not

1119
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Speaker 2: have had the success that we had without those guys.

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Speaker 2: But any programs bigger than any one or two individuals.

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Speaker 3: And you hope that.

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Speaker 2: Those guys have all the success in the world moving forward.

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Speaker 2: But I'm also a firm believer that we were a

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Speaker 2: part of their success too. Our culture, our environment had

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Speaker 2: a direct impact and effect on the ability for them

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Speaker 2: to shine in the light that they did. And so

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00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: you know, when those guys moved on. Wish them the

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Speaker 2: absolute best, But at that point it's about us finding

1129
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: who is the right fit for us and who's going

1130
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: to fit what we do and who can actually improve us, right,

1131
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: Because at any point when you have adversity or people leave,

1132
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity for you to improve the condition that

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Speaker 2: you have. And so there were some things that, hey,

1134
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: we all have weaknesses, right, and so hey, what are

1135
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: the weaknesses that those coaches had and how can I

1136
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: go find somebody that can improve them? And I really

1137
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, I was doing my due diligence

1138
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: on interviewing for defensive coordinators, really felt like Corey Batoon

1139
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: did an outstanding job from a technical aspect as a

1140
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: safety's coach. Had two All Americans last year at South Alabama.

1141
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: If you look at the statistics of him as a

1142
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator at South Alabama over the past three years,

1143
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: there may not have been a better not only in

1144
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: group of five, but all of college football.

1145
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: The amount of success that they had.

1146
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: So if you look back at the success he had

1147
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: had at Old Miss, the success that he'd had, it

1148
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: made it a really good candidate for somebody to come

1149
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: in with something to prove right. And again, when you

1150
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: look at the success that we've had from a coaching

1151
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: staff and from a player standpoint, all of us had

1152
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: something to prove, had a little chip on our shoulder that, hey, man,

1153
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: with this opportunity, I'm going to prove.

1154
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: To the rest of the football world who we really are.

1155
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: And so when I got a chance to interview Corey

1156
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: and sat in front of him, heard his story, you know,

1157
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: really dialed in the x's and o's, I thought, man,

1158
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: this is the right fit for us at the right time.

1159
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: It was an easy transition from a defensive schematic standpoints,

1160
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: they run some very similar defenses. I think his knowledge

1161
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: and tech technical skills from the safety position have really translated.

1162
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: I think in spring I saw a huge jump in

1163
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: Joseph Charleston, Dalen Carnell, Marvin Berkstrevez. I think all those

1164
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: guys improved significantly, not only in their Mando Man skills,

1165
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: but their footwork, their own recognition. So very excited about

1166
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: what he's adding to our team defensive ends. Man, goll Lee,

1167
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: if you would have told me we could have hired

1168
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: a guy who's had four straight UH drafts draft picks

1169
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: from from group of five all the way to the

1170
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Speaker 2: Big twelve. Now had a Conference player of the Year

1171
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 2: at the Sun Belt level, a ton of energy, ball

1172
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: of fire, very good evaluator, thorough recruiter. That's what we got.

1173
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: Brian Early, a guy who's really worked his way up

1174
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: and he's got some really good pieces in that room.

1175
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Speaker 3: You know.

1176
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: We added Darris Smith from Georgia. We added Zion Young

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Speaker 2: from uh Michigan State. We're bringing in williams Nowirre. We're

1178
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: bringing in Jalen Brown. You got the Cotton Bowl MVP,

1179
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: and Johnny Walker. You've got some other guys who are

1180
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: ready to just be developed. And he jumped in that room.

1181
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: He is a ball of red bull every day, just

1182
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: full of energy, going and so very excited about what

1183
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: he's bringing and how that group now is really geled

1184
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: around their opportunity in front of them.

1185
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Speaker 1: Two more things here, So the patches right in front

1186
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: of me, the Cotten Bowl patches right in front of me.

1187
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: Should have said it on this side.

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Speaker 1: The mascot. I don't know if people know this, but

1189
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: the mascot they gave you guys, it's like a full tire,

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Speaker 1: rubberized tiger that just sits down in the lobby and

1191
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: you can smell them when you walk in. That's how

1192
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: you know it's good mascot. What did that win do

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: for the program?

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: Wow, it's hard to quantify what exactly that win did

1195
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: for us. I think for me it was it ignited

1196
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: hope for the future, right, It ignited the hope that

1197
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: we have of competing at the highest level in this

1198
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: conference and on the national stage. And that's why we

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Speaker 2: took the job here, That's why we came to the

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00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: University of Missouri, to make it relevant on the national

1201
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: scene and for us to play the way we did

1202
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: last year. And then to top it off, winning that game,

1203
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: to lose the players that were going to lose to

1204
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: the draft, but then to be able to have this

1205
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: next group coming Luther Burden, armand Membu, Brady Cook, Theo Weese, right,

1206
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: Joseph Charleston, Tristan Newsom, to have these guys ready to

1207
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: take the baton and carry it forward for this season.

1208
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: I think for me it was just all right, this

1209
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: is what we can and will be moving forward, and

1210
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: this was the vision we had and we're just halfway

1211
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: to it. And now we got to really put the

1212
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: foot down. We got to put all of our chips

1213
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: in the middle and really go for it. And that's

1214
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Speaker 2: the message that I have to our fan base, that's

1215
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: the message that I have to our team is we

1216
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: still have a lot to prove, but now it's time

1217
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: to double down on that commitment.

1218
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Speaker 1: When you guys came out of spring, which you already

1219
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: are pretty early relatives to the rest of the country,

1220
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: and you start self scouting, self assessing both staff and

1221
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: roster outside of depth, what are some of the things

1222
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: that you circled with red sharpy and said, that's what

1223
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: we got to hammer down on from until we teed

1224
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: it up against I think it's Murray State Week one. Yeah,

1225
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: what are some of those things that we got to

1226
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: focus on here?

1227
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's technical things.

1228
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: I felt like at the line of scrimmage, we were

1229
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: really good on both sides of the ball, but we're

1230
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: always going to have to work on being more physical

1231
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: and creating pressure on the quarterback. Right, So from an

1232
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: offensive line standpoint, we want to create a more physical identity. Uh,

1233
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, we pride ourselves on running the outside zone

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00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: and that's just requiring reps, reps, reps. We got to

1235
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: replace Cody Schrader who led the SEC in rushing. So

1236
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: we're going to have to work the next four months

1237
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: on establishing that ground control. Obviously with Brady Cook and

1238
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: Brett Norfleet, Luther Burn, the Oisee Muokie Cooper, a couple

1239
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: of other guys. You know, we should be able to

1240
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: throw the ball with anybody, but in this league, you

1241
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: better win at the line of scrimmage running the football

1242
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: from the defensive side of the ball. It's all going

1243
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: to be about creating pressure on the quarterback. And we've

1244
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: got some guys there, but we're going to really have

1245
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: to refine our past rush ability winning one on ones

1246
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: being detailed in our in our pass rush, and I

1247
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: think that's what they're going to work on.

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Speaker 1: The most elied drink Whitz. We appreciate it, man, m iz,

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Speaker 1: lost in time, So we appreciate that with him. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, all the folks at Missouri have been very

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Speaker 1: welcoming today. PET State Speaker series on the road. Let

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Speaker 1: me fill you in on a little something. We are

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Speaker 1: going to drive over to Kansas State tomorrow and we

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Speaker 1: will have Chris Cleiman and we'll exclusively talk to him

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Speaker 1: on this channel. And as you know, we're headed to

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Speaker 1: Iowa State Thursday. And those are just some of the

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Speaker 1: first stops on what will be a multi city, multi

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Speaker 1: Sit in National wall Spring and one wants to do that,

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Speaker 1: so we appreciate it. We've got our crew on the

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Speaker 1: punching this entire thing, and we got you and that's

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Speaker 1: why we can do it. We appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back Thursday night.

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