1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 3: We begin with another busy day for earnings around the world, 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 3: and we start in London, where shares of HSBC are 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: up more than two percent. The bank, which generates most 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: of its income in Asia, announced a new buyback program 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 3: and gave a bullish outlook for the year. We spoke 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 3: with the CEO, Noel Quinn. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 4: Those results are a function of good revenue growth across 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: the globe. All of our global businesses have strong revenue growth. 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 4: All of the product lines within those businesses strong revenue growth. 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: Noel Quinn says, HSBC is now expecting that interest income 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: for the year to be above thirty five billion dollars. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of our interview with the CEO 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: coming up shortly on Bloomberg Daybreak. 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan chares a BP are up almost one and 18 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: a half percent in London. The oil giant is raising 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: its dividend by ten percent and buying back another one 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars in shares. That's despite second 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: quarter profit that fell short of estimates thanks to weaker 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: oil and gas prices. Still BP CEO Bernard Looney told 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: us demand for crude remains remarkably strong. 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 5: There's a lot of talk, obviously about concerns about the 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 5: global economy, there's a lot of talk about concerns about 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 5: China growth. In spite of all of these things, demand 27 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: for oil has been incredibly resilient. In fact, there are 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 5: some reports that say oil will reach its maximum demand 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 5: ever this year. 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: BP CEO Bernard Looney reported second quarter ad justin net 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: income of two points six billion dollars. That's down for 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: almost eight and a half billion a year earlier. 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: We're also watching shares of Deangio, Karen. They're a little 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: changed at the moment. In London, the maker of Johnny 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: Walker whiskey and Smirnoff vodka, reported a six and a 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: half percent sales increase that beat estimates. Diagio also says 37 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: it is passing along price increases to customers well. 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: In Asia, Nathan shares at Toyota are trading at at 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: all time high. The world's number one car maker reported 40 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: quarterly profit that top estimates. Improvements in semiconductor supply and 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: a week end helped Toyota capitalize on a global rebound 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: in vehicle demand by her. 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: In the US care and it's another big day for 44 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: earnings on this side of the world. We get results 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: from almost fifty companies in the S and P five 46 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 3: hundred today, including Pfizer, Caterpillar, and Starbucks. 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, today is the start of a new trading month, 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: and we're beginning August with a big bullish call on stocks, 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: and we get the et also Bloomberg's. 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 6: John Tucker, John and Karen. 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 7: In fact, it's the most bullish forecast among Wall Street 52 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 7: strategist Oppenheimer Asset Management John Stolfas says we'll finish the 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 7: year at forty nine hundred on the S and P 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 7: five hundred. That's another seven percent higher from here. It 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 7: means we could blow through the old time high that 56 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 7: was set at the start of last year. Well, he says, 57 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 7: the fedce red hikes cycle now appears to be close 58 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 7: to a pause or even an end, and the US 59 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 7: economy appears resilient. Just yesterday, Morgan Stanley beear Mike Wilson 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 7: changed his tune, saying this rally can run further. You 61 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 7: New York Ime, John Tucker, Bloomberg daybreak. 62 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: All right, John, thank you, Well, we have a milestone 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: for the world's largest publicly traded hedge fund, Man Groups 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: assets under management have hit a record one hundred and 65 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: fifty one point seven billion dollars. We caught up with 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: Man Group chief financial officer and twin Fourtair. 67 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 8: Demon is firmly there as the FLUS demonstrates, listen, analysts focus. 68 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 9: On sort of quota and quota. 69 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 8: They want to make sure that numbers fit in a 70 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 8: nice little excel box. Clients really care about the long 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 8: term horizon. 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 3: Man Group CFO and Twinfourtair says the hedge fund was 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: helped by fresh inflows, but pre tax profit declined in 74 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: the first half and that is taking a toll on 75 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: the shares. Right now, Man Group is down seven point 76 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: four percent in London. 77 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: Well back here in the US, Nathan, there's word of 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: another company cutting jobs. According to the Wall Street Journal, 79 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: CVS is eliminating about five thousand jobs to reduce costs. 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: The paper says most of the rules that will be 81 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: affected at the pharmacy chain are corporate positions. 82 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's certain to politics now, Karen. In the twenty 83 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: twenty four presidential race. The superpacks tied to the candidate 84 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: have unveiled their first fundraising totals. One of them is 85 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: the Runaway Leader. The Never Back Down super pack supporting 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, raised one hundred and thirty one 87 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: million dollars in the first half of the year. That 88 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: is nearly twice as much as Make America Great Again, 89 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: the group supporting Donald Trump. The former president, still leads 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 3: to Santus by more than thirty five points in recent polls, 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: according to Real Clear Politics. 92 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: Well Nathan. Another super pac is also raking in cash, 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: and this one is not tied to a candidate instead 94 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: of Political Action Committee tied to billionaire at Charles Coke, 95 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: is aiming to stop former President Trump from winning the nomination. 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Ed Baxter has that story. 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 6: The Americans for Prosperity Action reports seventy eight million dollars, 98 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 6: the bulk from twenty five million dollar donations, one from 99 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 6: Coke Industries and the second from Stand Together Chamber of Commerce. 100 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 6: The conservative group claims Trump needs to be stopped or 101 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 6: Joe Biden will win reelection and could lead to losing 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 6: both Houses of Congress and the President's It has not 103 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 6: spent much yet, but says it will. In San Francisco, 104 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 6: I'm at Baxter Bloomberg Daybreak. 105 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: Thanks Ed, Well, how about some space politics now? The 106 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: Pentagon says President Biden has picked Colorado as the home 107 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: of US Space Command. That reverses a Trump era decision 108 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: to choose a location in Alabama. The move comes with 109 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: speculation that abortion politics played into the decision. Alabama has 110 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: restrictive anti abortion laws. Colorado does not. 111 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan. When it comes to this summer's hot weather. 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: This streak is over, but just barely. We're talking about 113 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: the record string of daily highs over one hundred and 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: ten degrees in Phoenix. It was snapped yesterday with a 115 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: high of only one hundred eight degrees. The reprieve, though 116 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: expected to be brief, and it's time now for a 117 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: look at some of the other stories making news around 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: the world. For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Morris. Amy, 119 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Karen. Former President Donald Trump is 120 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: predicting he'll be indicted any day now as part of 121 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: the investigation into his efforts to still in power after 122 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. In a truth social post, Trump 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: called it an attempt to cover up allegations of bribes 124 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: and payoffs aimed at President Biden and his family. Hunter 125 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Biden's former business partner, Devon Archer, testified before the House 126 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Oversight Committee yesterday. Democrat Congressman Dan Goldman says Archer never 127 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: produced any testimony connecting President Biden to any business dealings 128 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: related to his son. They never discussed business. 129 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden did not know what the business dealings that 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden was involved with, and he never did anything 131 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: in connection to Hunter's. 132 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 10: Business test This is House Republican leaders are prioritizing efforts 133 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 10: to open an impeachment inquiry into the president now, despite 134 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 10: his legal challenge, as Donald Trump still leads the GOP 135 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 10: and the race for the White House. Terry Haynes is 136 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 10: founder of Pangaea Policy and discussed Trump's poll numbers on 137 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 10: Bloomberg's Sound on. 138 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 11: Essentially, we're peak Trump now, and I think he has 139 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 11: nowhere to go but down. It's a long slow down 140 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 11: is a down. Nonetheless, in the national polls, roughly kind 141 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 11: of forty five fifty percent, even a little bit more 142 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 11: depending in the early primary states where therever meets the road, 143 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 11: you've got a little bit less. 144 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 10: That's sound on weekday afternoons from one to three pm 145 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 10: Eastern on Bloomberg Radio. You can hear the full interview 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 10: on the sound On podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, or 147 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 10: anywhere else you get your podcasts. Meanwhile, Florida Governor Ron 148 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 10: De Santis is laying out his economic vision for the US, 149 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 10: saying that if he wins the White House, many of 150 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 10: those who receive medicaid will have to get jobs. 151 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 11: For able bodied adults, there should be work requirements for 152 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 11: all welfare programs. 153 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 10: So Santa says his administration would curb reckless federal spending. 154 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 10: And you can chalk up a courtroom victory for Donald 155 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 10: Trump in Pennsylvania, where a state court judge says presidential 156 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 10: immunity is broad enough to protect Trump's false claims that 157 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 10: the twenty twenty election was rigged, even when he himself 158 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 10: did not believe that. Conspiracy. Voting machine supervisor James Savage 159 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 10: claimed Trump imaged his reputation by falsely claiming he tampered 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 10: with the twenty twenty election result. Global News twenty four 161 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 10: hours a day, powered by more than twenty seven hundred 162 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 10: journalists and analysts in more than one hundred twenty countries. 163 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 10: I'm Maybe Morris, and this is Bloomberg Karen. 164 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: All right, Amy, thank you. It is time now for 165 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Sports Update, and here's John stash Hour. 166 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 12: John Karen, it's a struggle for the US women's national team, 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 12: playing the World Cup in New Zealand, their third game. 168 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 12: They had a draw last time out against the Netherlands, 169 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 12: and right now they are playing in the second half 170 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 12: and the game is scoreless against Portugal. If this score holds, 171 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 12: the US still advances of the knockout round, but not 172 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 12: all that impressively considering they are the two time defending 173 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 12: champions the Netherlands on the verge. 174 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 6: Of moving on. 175 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 12: Right now, they lead Vietnam six to nothing. Baseball Tampa 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 12: baybyting the Yankees in New York five to one, as 177 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 12: the Rays hit four home runs off Yankee pitcher Johnny Brido, 178 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 12: and the Yankee struggles to try and make the postseason continued. 179 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 12: Washington beat Milwaukee five to three, Baltimore a four to 180 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 12: two win at Toronto. The Red Sox lost in Seattle 181 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 12: sixty two. The Giants lost at home to Arizona for 182 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 12: the three Tomorrow. Hamlin is, of course, the Buffalo Bill's 183 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 12: safety who last season almost died on the field yesterday 184 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 12: at Bill's practice he practiced for the first time in PACT. 185 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 13: I think it's power and being out here every day 186 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 13: and doing my process in front of the world, you know. 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 13: And I always wanted to stand for something bigger than myself. 188 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 13: Was my goal in my whole life. You know, I 189 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 13: had goals within this game, but you know, life goals. 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 13: That was the biggest thing. I wanted to stand for 191 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 13: something bigger than myself. And I have the opportunity to 192 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 13: do that now. And I'm a Facilda. 193 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 12: John stash Awer Bloomberg Sports. 194 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 6: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 195 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 6: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Sirius, Exam, the Bloomberg 196 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 6: Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 197 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 11: Good morning. 198 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager. HSBC is in the middle of a 199 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: strategic repositioning, and its results this morning reflect that strong pivot. 200 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: The lender, which aims to capture growth in Asia, surpassed 201 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: pre tax profit estimates and announced a fresh share buyback 202 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: worth up to two billion dollars. The CEO of HSBC, 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: Noel Quinn, joined Bloomberg's Fancy Lockwat for a conversation on 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: the company's second quarter results. He also discussed the expansion 205 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: in Asia, the UK and Chinese property markets, and pressure 206 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: from top shareholder ping On Insurance Group. 207 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 14: When you look at your results, they're strong, Are you 208 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 14: very optimistic about the future. 209 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: I'm very pleased, Frank saying, and thank you for having 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 4: me with strong results in the first half. I mean, 211 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: I think that those results are a function of good 212 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: revenue growth across the globe. 213 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 9: All of our global. 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 4: Businesses have strong revenue growth. All of the product lines 215 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: within those businesses strong revenue growth, but also all geographies 216 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: contributed to that performance. So I'm pleased with the outcome. 217 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: It's a twenty one point seven billion dollar PBT, which 218 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: produces a reported ROATIE of twenty two point four percent, 219 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 4: But to be fair, I need to back out two 220 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: notable items in Q one which boosted that return. But 221 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 4: underlying then, excluding those, it's still a return on tangible 222 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 4: equity of eighteen point five percent. That's a very strong performance. 223 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: Our confidence is high on the future, which is why 224 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: we've changed our ROATY guidance going forward. We've increased it 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 4: from the twelfth plus guidance we had before to a 226 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: guidance of mid teens for twenty twenty three and twenty 227 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: twenty four, and I'm really pleased that we were able to, 228 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 4: because of our strong capital generation, commit to a further 229 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: ten cents dividend interim dividend for Q two and an 230 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 4: additional two billion dollar up to two billion dollar buyback, 231 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 4: which we intend to complete in the next three months. 232 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 9: So that's a good outcome. 233 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: But I do want to say it's broad based across 234 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: all geographies and across all business lines. 235 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 14: No, from the outside, it seems you're promoting and putting 236 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 14: a lot of focus on your business in India within Asia. 237 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 14: Is there a slight pivot away from China to focus 238 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 14: on India. 239 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: No, we're looking to invest in all of Asia. We 240 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: see great opportunities still in China here in Hong Kong, 241 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: but also we've got we see opportunities within India and 242 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: Singapore and Singapore not just for Singapore alone, but Singapore 243 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: and its gateway into Asian So we're investing equally between 244 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 4: all parts of Asia, and we're seeing good, good performance 245 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: across the whole of Asia. But also we're investing in 246 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: new business lines for US. So I think in the 247 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: past we've underinvested in our wealth business across Asia. We 248 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: had a very good business here in Hong Kong, we 249 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: invested in that, but we didn't invest enough in mainland China, 250 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: or in Singapore or in India. And we're correcting that 251 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 4: now and you can see the evidence of that in 252 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: these results. You know, in Asia we took in twenty 253 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 4: seven billion dollars in net new invested assets on behalf 254 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: of our clients, and that you know, if you look globally, 255 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: in the last twelve months, we took in seventy five 256 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: billion dollars in net new invested assets into our wealth business. 257 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: That's a function of the investment program we started over 258 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: two years ago. 259 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 14: So how active are you in helping, for example, finance 260 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 14: still some of the built and road projects. 261 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: I mean, we look at all of those projects that 262 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 4: are taking place, all of the big infrastructure projects. Were 263 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: very particular focused at the moment on infrastructure projects around sustainability, 264 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: new hydrogen plans, new wind and solar ways to decarbonize. 265 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: So we're working with our clients across all of Asia 266 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: book globally. We've done some big transactions as well in 267 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: the Middle East, where we're looking to help clients invest 268 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: in the new technology to build the new, greener economy 269 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: of the future. So we look at the amount of 270 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 4: project by project basis, and some of them are within 271 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 4: the Silk Road the Belton Road initiative, but some of 272 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: them will be outside of that. 273 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 9: Many of them will be outside. 274 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 13: No. 275 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 14: No, how worried are you about Chinese real estate? And actually, 276 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 14: if you look at you know, what you've announced today, 277 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 14: developments could be worse and what you're expecting and will 278 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 14: you have to take more, you know, more fresh charges 279 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 14: against some of your exposure there. 280 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: I think what we announced today was we do a 281 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 4: scenario on what a potential plausible downside could be on that. 282 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: We're not predicting that. We scenario plan that. We did 283 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: take some additional provisions in the in quarter two, but 284 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: they were relatively manageable within our overall ECL charge. I 285 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: think we took about three hundred million in the first 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 4: half of this year. That was top up on some 287 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: existing provisions. But if I look at my overall ECL 288 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: charge for the first half of the year, it was 289 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: one point three billion, and that absorbed commercial RedState in China, 290 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: specifically on real estate in China. It will be a 291 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: challenge in six twelve months. The industry still has some 292 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: challenges ahead. We believe we're well provisioned. We're comfortable with 293 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: the provisioning we have at the half year, and we'll 294 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: have to wait and see how the policy measures continue 295 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: to adopt adapt. And what is really challenging in the 296 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: real estate market in China is a lack of demand 297 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: and that's really where I think the solution to the 298 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: challenges will come from. 299 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 14: There's been a long silence, a long long silence from Pingang. 300 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 14: Is it reasonable to assume that you've won the argument 301 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 14: about HSBC's future. 302 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 9: Well liston. 303 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: We continue to have dialogue with Pingang, as we do 304 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: with all institutional shareholders, and we have done since the AGM. 305 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 4: But the AGM was conclusive. It delivered a very conclusive 306 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: outcome on the debate around restructuring. We've moved on from 307 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: that now we've very much focused on performance. We also 308 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: know that that's a big focus for Pingang, as it 309 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: is for all institutions shareholders, all shareholders, including the retail 310 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: shareholders here in Hong Kong, and I think the first 311 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: six months results are testament to our focus on that 312 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: and the work we've done over the past three years, 313 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: strong revenue growth, tight cost of scipline, good capital management. 314 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: Over one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars of unproductive 315 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: ard debris ways taken out over the past three years, 316 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: and we very much focused on our core strengths and 317 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: the results today are evidence of that. An eighteen percent 318 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: return on tangible equity with good strong capital generation going 319 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: forward with the prospect of more dividend and more return 320 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: coming from that performance. 321 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 9: That's the important thing I'm focused on. 322 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 14: But so what are you reading at the moment that 323 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 14: Pingang can come back and actually give you house on 324 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 14: how they see the future of HSBC of when you 325 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 14: say you've moved on, have they also moved on from 326 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 14: this argument? 327 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: Well, that is a matter for Pingang, so it's not 328 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: fair for me to comment on their behalf. But I 329 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: think the AGM decision was very decisive and conclusive, was 330 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: very clear, and I believe that matter is now behind us. 331 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: We are very very much focused on performance, so that 332 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: matter is now closed from the point of view of HSBC. 333 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 14: What does the decision to downsize your London headquarters tell 334 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 14: us about your commitment to the UK. 335 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: We're absolutely committed to the UK, and our decision on 336 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 4: premises in the UK is a function, frankly, of some 337 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: of the reduction in costs that we've done over the 338 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 4: past three to four years. It's a function of changing 339 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: working pasterns, and it's a function of some of the 340 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 4: offshoring that we've done. So our need for premises in 341 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: the UK is less today than it was three four 342 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: years ago. So our choice on where we relocated the 343 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 4: head office wasn't a decision between Canary Wharf and the city. 344 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 4: It was a decision based on available premises somewhere around 345 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven that had the capacity, 346 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: but not too much capacity to absorb the people we wanted. 347 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: So frankly, we needed a build in half the size 348 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: of Canary Wharf and there aren't that many buildings that 349 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: were available. This was not a decision between a city 350 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: or Canary Wharf. It was a practical decision based on 351 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: property availability. 352 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 14: Given where we are now worldwide and some of I 353 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 14: guess the influencers across the world, do you say your 354 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 14: reasons for remaining in the UK are actually decreasing. 355 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: No, I think UK is a very good place to 356 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: have a headquarter for a global institution. It covers all 357 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: the time zones. Well, it's a good environment to operate 358 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: in with lots of professional services to support an organization. 359 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 9: Remember, we're a global business. 360 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 4: We have to have a headquarter somewhere, and the UK 361 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: has been a good headquarter for us. But I'm also 362 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 4: at the moment in our headquarters in Hong Kong, and 363 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 4: in a few weeks time, I'll be in our headquarters 364 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 4: in the Middle East. So you know, we're a global 365 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: organization and there has to be a place that where 366 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 4: you're registered, and the UK is a good place to 367 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: be registered. It's a good environment to operate a global bank, 368 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: with a good regulatory environment, and we're very happy there. 369 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 14: So when you look at UK mortgages, I think you 370 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 14: were the first major bank to actually start cutting your 371 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 14: rates last week. Do you see rates substantially filling for 372 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 14: mortgages in the near future. 373 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a function, frankly, the 374 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: swap rates in the UK. You know, it's not just 375 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 4: the base rates in the UK, but it's the swap 376 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: rates because most mortgages are priced off swaps, and it 377 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 4: will be there for a function of what is the 378 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: market confidence. Where does the market see the Yel curve? 379 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 4: And we saw the Eyel curve go up, then we 380 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: started to see it come down. Our ambition is to 381 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: try and make sure our rates are as reasonable as 382 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: possible to help customers navigate what is definitely a challenging 383 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 4: the environment of higher rates in the market plus higher inflation. 384 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 4: So if we can move down, we will do as 385 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: quickly as possible. So that was our decision. It will 386 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 4: it will. I can't predict what the Yeal curve necessarily 387 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: will do. There is the prospect of more interest rate 388 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: rises in the future in order to combat inflation, and 389 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: that therefore could change the Yeld curve for the swap rates, 390 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: and therefore we may have to adjust price in then 391 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 4: upboard down. 392 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 14: But do you see a correction in UK property prices 393 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 14: going forward? Significant correction? 394 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 4: I mean the UK property market has been extremely resilient, 395 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: the mortgage market in the UK, and I'll broaden that 396 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: out so generally the business community in the UK, despite 397 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 4: challenging conditions, they've been extremely resilient. Our mortgage book is 398 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: holding up extremely well, our corporate lending book is holding 399 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: up extremely well. There are challenges, there are pressures starting 400 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: to be evident, but they're relatively manageable from. 401 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 9: A UK economy point of view and a bank point 402 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 9: of view. 403 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 4: But higher interest rates for longer will continue to pressure 404 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 4: both consumers and businesses and it's in all our interests 405 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: that we can get inflation down as soon as possible 406 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 4: in order to ease the pressure on the U curve 407 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: and rates. 408 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 14: No, it's clear that in the last couple of weeks 409 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 14: Nigel Farad really dominated the headlines when it came to 410 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 14: banking in the UK. 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