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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome back to another new episode of You

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Speaker 1: Need Therapy, and Welcome back to a new year. It's

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and we are starting off the year with

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Speaker 1: a conversation that is not about New Year's resolutions, because

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Speaker 1: I told you back in December I wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: do that, but we are going to talk about some

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Speaker 1: things that come up when we come into a new

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Speaker 1: year and we think about what we want our lives

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Speaker 1: to look like and what we want to look like,

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Speaker 1: and what our goals are. And to have that conversation,

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Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I don't want to talk to myself

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Speaker 1: because I already did that in December, and so I said,

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Speaker 1: why don't I bring back an old pal of the podcast. Ms. Hannah.

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Speaker 1: Allis welcome. You're just thinking. I hope that translates it's

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Speaker 1: screaming crowd. That's great. I don't know whatever we can

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Speaker 1: put in the button that just does that. But before

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Speaker 1: we were talking, you did the big deep breath earlier,

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Speaker 1: like an hour ago, So I don't know what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: That's a different one, that's totally different. I'm sorry. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we have Hannah back. She was here October, but the

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Speaker 1: episode was what is healthy skin. We talked about um

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Speaker 1: skincare and all that comes with that and the feelings

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Speaker 1: and thoughts that come with wanting to look a certain way.

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Speaker 1: And I will say, you've come quite a long way

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Speaker 1: in your business ventures. Oh my god. Yeah. So back

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Speaker 1: when you were here the first time, you were working

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Speaker 1: at a one place and I was still an employee,

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Speaker 1: and then I went out on my own. I just

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Speaker 1: had one little treatment room, and now I have employees,

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Speaker 1: like I have a lobby, I have a like a

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Speaker 1: sign with my name on it. It's weird, that's as now.

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Speaker 1: It is a little scary when you'd like it's scary

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Speaker 1: because still so new. It's a good thing we have

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Speaker 1: when it's not new to just to give you that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look forward to. No, it's it is.

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Speaker 1: It's freaky, but it's good. So obviously we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about you and what you do and how you're

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Speaker 1: good at what you do. But in that conversation as well,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about what comes with doing what

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Speaker 1: you do. So there's a certain thing that comes with

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Speaker 1: being a therapist, which we'll we'll talk about as well,

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Speaker 1: expectations and feelings and thoughts, especially when people present their

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Speaker 1: goals to you or to me. But you work in

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Speaker 1: a skincare so what I think is really cool. A

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Speaker 1: good opportunity for us is to talk about the thoughts

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Speaker 1: and the feelings and the like internal battles that come

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Speaker 1: with helping people achieve their goals when it comes to

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Speaker 1: essentially what their face looks like. Yeah, because that's a

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Speaker 1: little weird, right, It's super weird. There's so much that

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Speaker 1: goes into it. It's not just like a one one

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Speaker 1: size fits all. Here, slap first, cleans are on it,

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Speaker 1: and we'll make it all better. It's a lot. When

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Speaker 1: you started as a baby esthetician, what did you want

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Speaker 1: to do? I always knew that I was not a

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Speaker 1: spa facial lady. I always knew I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: do the generic. This is gonna sound dirty, but it's

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Speaker 1: not that dirty. Um like the generic like steam and cream,

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Speaker 1: and like, don't talk to anybody about what I'm doing

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Speaker 1: to their face. I always knew that. I just felt

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Speaker 1: like Nashville specifically needed a place that got people results

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Speaker 1: but was also like nurturing and relaxing and like a

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Speaker 1: safe place to come, um, take care of yourself. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of offices that do skin and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of spas, and there's a lot of like super

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Speaker 1: super medical and a super super like only relaxing, and

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Speaker 1: I want. I thought, there's got to be like some

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Speaker 1: place in between. And I think I went back to

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Speaker 1: school literally knowing that I wanted to be that in

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Speaker 1: between where you can come and feel love, don and treated,

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Speaker 1: but also like get results and get some like literacy

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Speaker 1: about your body, about your skin, just like overall how

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Speaker 1: to take care of you. Well, you're like doing skin therapy.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it is kind of like that, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did not, I mean obviously knowing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: help people. It was funny, like in my first year

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Speaker 1: learning that like people are going to come to you

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Speaker 1: with their like problems though, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, wait, Like I I know like science and

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Speaker 1: I know empathy, but like people are really dropping energy

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Speaker 1: on you and insecurities and things that like I never

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'm jumping out, No, I'm just getting

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Speaker 1: excited as you're saying that, because when people come to you,

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Speaker 1: they're coming with a let's say, outward facing problems, so

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Speaker 1: some imperfection with their skin, sure, which translates to an

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Speaker 1: internal battle and struggle because I know, I think I've

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Speaker 1: told you, I've did have I have told you this.

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Speaker 1: I've been accutane twice. So if anybody doesn't know what

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Speaker 1: that is, very serious drug rough breaks havoc on your body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your skin will be affected by the fact that you

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Speaker 1: did accutane of your life. Yeah, and I have extremely

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Speaker 1: sensitive skin. Now, Yes, that's how it works. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: not to mention that it has some psychological mental health

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Speaker 1: effects like acne PTSD is well, I think was caused

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Speaker 1: a significant question jumps too. Yeah, oh there's I mean,

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Speaker 1: you like have to be on birth control. The it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a toxic level of vitamin A that they

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Speaker 1: put into your body that literally shuts down your sabacious glands,

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Speaker 1: your oil glands. I don't know if that's how it works. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: it's it's literally just vitamin A, but it's just to

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Speaker 1: a level that like it just stops the oil production entirely,

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Speaker 1: which is like while you're lips peel literally burned just

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Speaker 1: get us unburned, you know what I mean. It's crazy,

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Speaker 1: and it's why your skin is like just delicate from

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Speaker 1: there on out, because you've affected your oil glands to

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Speaker 1: like that level that you don't have that protection. Oil

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Speaker 1: is the protection which I did learn from you really

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Speaker 1: go off of. So even bringing that up is because

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, like literally had this thought in

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Speaker 1: high school. When I go on accutane and my skin

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Speaker 1: becomes clear, I'm going to like get all the things

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Speaker 1: that I want, I'm going to be happy. Now. The

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Speaker 1: issue with that is it causes significant level of depression

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Speaker 1: because of the how the drug works, I don't know

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Speaker 1: all it is a huge side effect. And so that's

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Speaker 1: people come to you saying, like if we fix this

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Speaker 1: thing that is I'm very insecure about. And it can

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Speaker 1: be from like full fledged acne to like rosasia, something

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Speaker 1: that I would probably not even really notice in somebody maybe,

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Speaker 1: but they notice it every day and they think people

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Speaker 1: they're like, we I need to look differently so I

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Speaker 1: obviously I want to get people results as quickly and

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Speaker 1: They want to be clear for their wedding. They want

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Speaker 1: glass porcelain. And I like totally understand why they want

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Speaker 1: Like they just really want to feel beautiful that day

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Speaker 1: and not worry about their skin. They need to be

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Speaker 1: worried about a million other things. Right, I had two

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Speaker 1: I rarely break out. And I had two huge zits

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Speaker 1: guess what, it was the best day ever? Right, But

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Speaker 1: care about that? I do? Well, I think we care

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Speaker 1: up that or they're not posting that picture makeup, photoshop.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's all gonna be like airbrush. I know that.

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Speaker 1: Even when I'm treating my brides, I'm like, you know

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Speaker 1: going to be great, You're gonna look good. They're going

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Speaker 1: to take all this out. Yeah, But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I don't like get them clear. I love wedding prep,

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Speaker 1: but um, that is one of the scariest ones when

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Speaker 1: like the work we're gonna do but it's so much

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Speaker 1: more than that. When other clients come in. I mean

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Speaker 1: this date. But with other clients, it's like they're coming

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Speaker 1: but what they really want solved is so much deeper,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of like not being said, but it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, it goes so deep. So something that I've

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Speaker 1: like there's nothing wrong with that, Like you want to

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Speaker 1: like I'm not ashamed of this. I resonate with that too.

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Speaker 1: Like I just wanna. I think everybody wants to just

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Speaker 1: totally understand it. I do that for me, and I

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Speaker 1: also do that for like two clients, and then you're like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: that isn't a normal, healthy desire to have. There's an

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Speaker 1: essence of part of that that comes from the beauty

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Speaker 1: standards put upon us, from a industry that makes billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars off of us wanting to look like we

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Speaker 1: have no imperfections. So part of that is like what

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Speaker 1: just talking about Haley Bieber skin and like literally just

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Speaker 1: was like, girl, I know, and I think, doesn't she

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Speaker 1: have like a skincare line or a beauty line or

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Speaker 1: a makeup line. It's in the works, for sure, there's

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Speaker 1: a trademark somewhere. I'm sure, I don't know. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: That's why we have pores, like it literally like secretes things.

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Speaker 1: so when you unsee or unhear it, So when somebody

427
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: comes into your treatment room and they're like, I need

428
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: my face to look this way because this is what

429
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm taught, I can't unsee. I'm gonna keep going with

430
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: Haley Bieber. I can't unsee her face. So is the

431
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: solution to like have more diversity in what we see?

432
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: Because when I'm seeing people who are on the covers

433
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: of skincare or makeup or literally anything, I could be

434
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: like a cols ad their face looks like porcelain. When

435
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: you seeback of a flashback of the Proactive commercial or

436
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: like Katie Ferry or something, and like this is not funny,

437
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: but I'm just like the fact that I'm thinking about

438
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: the Proactive commercials. But like she had breakouts, but you

439
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: would never know. And the only reason you knew is

440
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: because they took some picture of her and like zoomed

441
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: in really close on it and to show you that.

442
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: But you would never see any other picture of her

443
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: looking like that except the proactive commercial that wanted you

444
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: to see it before and after. So it feels like

445
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: we can't normalize that. It feels like we can start

446
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: normalizing all kinds of bodies, but that seems harder. I mean,

447
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: this is where like it's just so internalized that like

448
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: bad skin is dirty or gross, pimples are unsightly, and

449
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, like it's only for teenagers and there's something

450
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: wrong with you. Like Also, I don't mean to only

451
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: talk about acne. I just feel like it's like one

452
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: of the most presenting things. Um, there's obviously there's things

453
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: with pigment, there's things with inflammation and like intense redness

454
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I just think acne is easy to

455
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: talk about because everyone can everyone's had like a pimple maybe,

456
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're you're you're talking about Hayley, You're

457
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: talking about Katy Perry. These people are like filtered all

458
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: the time, and the like makeup has gotten so good,

459
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: and cameras have gotten so good. Lighting is so great, Like,

460
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, have we seen a real picture of

461
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: Hayley Beeves. I'm and even like when she's on her

462
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: stories or something like, it's filtered. I mean she also

463
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: has access and the finances to have the whole squad.

464
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: She's probably getting facials like bi weekly. She's on a

465
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: prescribed routine, regardless of whatever her own company might be.

466
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner is not using Kylie's skin. I promised you that.

467
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Mm hm, that's not what's skin caroline. She has a

468
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: skin caroline, don't use it. Well, I'm sure she's not

469
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: using it. No, she's not, there's no way, okay. But

470
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: that fired me up because because she's selling, she's selling

471
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: as a product and saying, if you want to look

472
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: like me, but that product didn't make her look like that,

473
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: so she's We all talked about the olive oil with

474
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: j Lo right like she Jlo, we didn't talk about it.

475
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: But j Lo also like infamously like last year or

476
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: maybe earlier this year, came out with her own skin

477
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: CareLine and she said the secret to her beautiful skin,

478
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: which is like super true. A beautiful woman is that

479
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: she uses olive oil, and I mean in the skincare industry,

480
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: like the memes about the olive oil. That's what her

481
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: line is like based in. So she has like olive

482
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: oil in like all of her all of the products

483
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: in her but she doesn't her skincare line. There's no

484
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: chance in hell if I'm allowed to say that that

485
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: this woman's secret to her healthy skin is actual origin

486
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: olive oil on her face. That's not no. She became

487
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: famous when she was what age she was actually under

488
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: the age, and made a ton of money and has

489
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: had professional help her entire life. Not to mention she

490
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: is a woman of color, and they just notoriously have

491
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: better skin. They age so well. They just she's she's

492
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: genetically predisposed to just be beautiful forever, and we love

493
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: that for her. So frustrating because like as a woman,

494
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: and that says where I struggle though, because as a female,

495
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: I also there's part of me it's like you shouldn't

496
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: say this, but it's like I will look like j Lo,

497
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: who doesn't I do? But then I'm like, am I

498
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: being sucked into diet culture and should be like screw that.

499
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: But also it's like she she is I'm gonna say this,

500
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's true, but like objectively beautiful,

501
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: like it's not a yeah, I think I think literally

502
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: almost anyone would be like yeah, And this is something

503
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. And this is Cat the

504
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: Human that take the therapist cat away from here. This

505
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: is just Cat the human where I have botox in

506
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: my face? Are you a little bobo? Yeah? Nice? Okay,

507
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: so we can talk about this. I have botox in

508
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: my face. I have what's it call when you get

509
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: your eyebrows tattooed micro blading. I've gotten my eyebrows and

510
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: micro bladed, like I go get facials, like I will

511
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: buy you know, I'll buy whatever product you give me.

512
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: And so I actually said no, I have started using

513
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: the Ilia brand makeup. I don't know if that's how

514
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: I say. Skint that like stuff, all of their stuff

515
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: so fun, like the multi do not like it. We'll

516
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: talk about later. It's fine. No, it's not bad. It's

517
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: not it's not bad, Okay, what I just like, I

518
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff, Like I love to go

519
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: into Sephora and look at stuff like I love. So

520
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, is that okay for me? To do.

521
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Where do we draw the line of like how far

522
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: we're willing to go and like for beauty for feeling

523
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: good about yourself? Yeah yeah, But why do I have

524
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: to have no wrinkles in my forehead to look at

525
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: my forehead and be like, it looks good today? That's

526
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: the question I'm therapizing myself. Yeah, I humanly, I feel

527
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: like I'm listening to this, I'm trying to like step

528
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: back from this conversation. And I also I feel like

529
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: what you're also hearing and I'm talking to like the

530
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: audience is like you're actually listening to two women like

531
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: who are actively in this field and are also still

532
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: confused and are also still dealing with their own beauty

533
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: ship as well. Because I, I mean, I genuinely it

534
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: You're right earlier. Do we need more diversity in like

535
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: ads and stuff? Yes, And I have actually seen there's

536
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: like new like woke brands. I really feel like that

537
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: are going above and beyond to like actually not airbrushed skin,

538
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: And I love it when I see it. But I

539
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I can only hope that one day that's

540
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the norm, just like I would hope that you could

541
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: see a black person in more commercials or people of

542
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: color in anything all the time and not just white people.

543
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: I love that, but I don't know is it really

544
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: going to take the like not airbrush thing because people

545
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: really see it and they go gross. But if we

546
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: saw it all the time, I don't think we would

547
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: see exactly. And also wouldn't that when you go stand

548
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and the first thing in

549
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: the morning and you if you saw like a blemish

550
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: er too, would you be able to stop thinking like

551
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: this is a problem and I need it fixed or

552
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with me. I'm gross, like all like

553
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: the all the negative feelings associated with that also start

554
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: to like dissipate. It sounds like it's a mixture between

555
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: education and exposure. So education people don't understand what it

556
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: really means to have a blemish. So it's like you

557
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: gross dirty, I think that's true, or like something's wrong

558
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: with me. I have rosatia because I'm allergic to gluten

559
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: and I keep eating. It's like, are you really allergic

560
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: to it? Like it's an education thing, Well that's not why,

561
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: well right right, I was just making I was just

562
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: making that up. But so it's education, and then it's

563
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: exposure of If I saw pictures of um the standards

564
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: of beauty in celebrity world, whose skin looked like mind did,

565
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be like something's wrong with me,

566
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: or I'll never or they're better than me, and so

567
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: it's and it's just to me feels very defeating because

568
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: it feels like an endless cycle. Like I've stopped using

569
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: on my like a year or two. A year ago,

570
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: on my Instagram stories, I used to put that smooth

571
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: filter over my face. It's probably after our conversation. I

572
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't do that so I don't look

573
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: back at old videos and think like, why does my

574
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: skin not look as good? Because that's really what my

575
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: skin looks like. I think it looks like it looks,

576
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: which I think you had the like the opposite problem,

577
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: where like you were looking back at your filtered photos

578
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: and then looking at yourself that day in the mirror

579
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: being like, why don't I look like that? And you

580
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: literally forgot that you had that perfect, perfecting filter on yourself,

581
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: and you might have been wearing a ton of makeup

582
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: because you were like at a wedding or you know

583
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're looking at a picture where

584
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: you're like all dolled up, it's like done right, and

585
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: well that's actually been very helpful for me to not

586
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: demonize things about myself because I'm like, I'm not comparing

587
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: it to something that's not real. So I think the exposure,

588
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: just like body image work. The more I see my

589
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: body the way it really wants to look, the more

590
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you look like, I'm pretty proud of you, girl,

591
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm not comparing it to a sick body. So

592
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm also not comparing my face to have filtered can

593
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I ask? So I'm not against botox or anything, but

594
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: like why, I don't know. That's what I'm trying to, like,

595
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: did you do it? Because like other people were doing it.

596
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I never thought that I was ever to get botox,

597
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: which is so interesting, but that also had a crazy

598
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: stigma for a while until they started marketing to like

599
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: younger people. Oh really yeah, because I just was like, oh,

600
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: I in my head, I'm like I'm never gonna need

601
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: botox because I'd never imagine myself being over thirty. That

602
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: just seems so far. You're like, no, that's like ten

603
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: years away, and I'm like, so, I think when I

604
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: turned thirty. You're supposed to get it before thirty. They

605
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: say preventative, but I'm like, preventing what preventing wrinkles? Okay?

606
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Why am I preventing the wrinkles? Why are wrinkles bad?

607
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm in, because I really do like

608
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: what my face looks like when it there's botox. But

609
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this diet culture sucking me in? Or like,

610
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: can I just like this? Can I just have an

611
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: opinion and it's not based off of j Lo, It's

612
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: based off of my face. Yeah, I mean we are

613
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: just so marketed to that I would love to get

614
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: to a place where, like my only opinions about my

615
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: body and my skin and my hair and my nails.

616
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: I would love that those were only created by me.

617
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I don't think I'll ever there.

618
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: But as I'm thinking about this, I did not plan

619
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: to talk about me and mine. I didn't mean to.

620
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I didn't mean I think the botox conversation is actually

621
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: so great because I've dabbled in it and a lot

622
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: of people do. And I am such a proponent of

623
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: like I want everyone to do what they what makes

624
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: you feel beautiful and confident. Go for it. Are you

625
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: like a red lip girl? You love? Like some girls

626
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: like never leave the house without a red lip. Have

627
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: a friend who's just like, literally it's the hits her

628
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: look and I love it and she loves it. But

629
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: if I wear lipstick, it's all over my face and

630
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: my teeth and in my water bottle and I just

631
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I can't like. I don't like it on my I

632
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: hate out feels it's just not for me. Everybody has

633
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: like their thing, and I don't think it's a security

634
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: blanket for my friend. But I definitely think she just

635
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: loves how she looks and she doesn't have to she

636
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: knows that, but she loves it. So go for it.

637
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Like that's good for you, girl, you know what I mean?

638
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: Like makes you feel beautiful? Facials cool? No facials cool?

639
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna interrupt you. I'm sorry I have

640
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: to say because what you're saying is I think the

641
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: essence of what I want us to get to is

642
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: And this is hard because what beauty and diet culture

643
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: have done. I've talked about this before, is they hijack

644
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: things that are okay and then they take them and

645
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: they use them against us and then we feel like

646
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: we can't have them anymore, like diet culture. I always

647
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: say hijacked kale. It's like it hijacks like foods and

648
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: it makes them part of diet culture. And then you

649
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: feel like you're engaged in diet culture if you eat

650
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: a kale salad, that there's is a superfood, just supermarketing

651
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: right right around food. But like, I'm allowed to just

652
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: like kale. It doesn't mean I'm engaged in diet culture

653
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: as the same thing I think with red lipstick, with botox,

654
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: with I love, this is what sucks me in. If

655
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be on TikTok, this is what's sucking

656
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: me in, and I'm never going to do it myself.

657
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: But the makeup transformations I think are so freaking cool. Yeah,

658
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's like an art. It is. It's

659
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: insane to me. I love it. I don't have enough

660
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: energy to actually do that to my own face, and

661
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: I don't really care even if I tried, it would

662
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: just look like a three year old, like rent to Town.

663
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: But if that's what you love, if you love like

664
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: the like shadow and like all that, go for it.

665
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: If that's what makes you feel you're allowed to want

666
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: to look and feel beautiful. So if botox helps me

667
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: look in the mirror, you say, oh, I like what

668
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I look like, that's okay. And I think the issue

669
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: here is us identifying what it is that actually makes

670
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: us feel beautiful, why that is, and maybe how far

671
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: we're willing to go to get that thing. So if

672
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm like skipping work because I can't leave house my

673
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: house without a full face of makeup, maybe there's an

674
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: issue that we've taken in too far. If I'm spending

675
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: millions of dollars on removing my horrors from my face,

676
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. No, maybe that's

677
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: an issue. If I'm going to to debt to get botox,

678
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's an issue. Right. But we are allowed to

679
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: want to feel beautiful, and we all deserve to feel beautiful.

680
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: It's really just instilling confidence. And I think you're so

681
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: right about like the education factor, because I do think

682
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: that's what like not to just like pat myself on

683
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: the back. But I knew from the start becoming an

684
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: esthetician that what makes me feel more powerful and confident

685
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: is knowledge. And so I've always felt like the mystery

686
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: facials that I've gotten from other estheticians where they just

687
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: don't tell you anything and it's nice and it's relaxing.

688
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: That's great, that could be a nice, cute self care moment.

689
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: But I didn't learn anything about myself. I didn't learn

690
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: anything about my body. I didn't learn like how can

691
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: I make this better? That's like the knowledge is what

692
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: gives people power, and I think that that's what I

693
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: do in my practice. As we start with that consultation first,

694
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: like I don't even touch you that day, Like we

695
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: talk about your skin. I educate you on the condition

696
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: your skin is in, and I educate you on like

697
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: what we're going to use to treat it, fix it

698
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to treatments and when it comes to

699
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: what you're using at home. And then six weeks later

700
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: you come in for your first treatment because your skin

701
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: is now prepped for what we do in the office.

702
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: That is kind of giving people that knowledge is also

703
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: where I find a deeper connection with my clients because

704
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: they're like, oh I can there's like real reasons why

705
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: these things are happening, whether it's external factors or internal factors,

706
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: and we can have a plan. And then having that

707
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: knowledge around that keeps you motivated to use what we've prescribed,

708
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: and it keeps you motivated that we're taking action on this.

709
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a victim of like what I'm seeing in

710
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: the mirror. I am in control. There's a plan and

711
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: these things are okay. And you just kind of like

712
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: like understanding why acne is caused or why pick certain

713
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: like pigmentation like malasma or sun damage, like why splotchy

714
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: redness happens. Understanding why sometimes is important, but also the why.

715
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: I could teach you to not have to need the

716
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: why did we talk about? Am I Like, like did

717
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: we talk about like not wanting to dissect every single pimple,

718
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: but like understanding acne can also make you stop questioning

719
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: it and feeling like such a victim to it all

720
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: the time. No, that's full circle because we talked about

721
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: in the beginning, because you're saying, like you said, you

722
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: don't have to rationalize the pimple. You don't have to

723
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: like find a reason for every single, one single pimple

724
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: that has been caused or one little breakout, even if

725
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: it's like a little cluster of two or three that

726
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: can feel triggering, that can feel scary, like am I

727
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: losing control? Is this going to get bad again? Am

728
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: I going to have to go back underground and like

729
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: never go see my friends or go on a date

730
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: ever again. You know what I mean? That's like your

731
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: body working out what it needs to work out. Yeah,

732
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: Like but that's what like the education is the power

733
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: there is like actually teaching you why this is happening

734
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: at that first consultation so that you can go back

735
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: to your life and feel like nope, that's in like

736
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: we have a plan here, We're gonna work out. There's

737
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: so I mean, there's parallels to that everywhere. Of Like

738
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: if you've struggled with and eating disordered disordered eating and

739
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: you get I mean you get really anxious around certain foods,

740
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: and then you go to therapy and you figure out

741
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: like why, like where that came from. Then when you

742
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: get really anxious around a meal or a meal time,

743
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to like never go to meals in public.

744
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to like hide in your room and

745
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: not eat in front of people. Don't have to do

746
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: you learn where that comes from, and you can ride

747
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: out that anxiety and you don't have to demonize that

748
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I get this, this is just this

749
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: is whatever. So I hope I hope that when I

750
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: earlier was like making fun of people who want to

751
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: like dissect every pimple, I actually allow space for that

752
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: because I do think that, like, you need to talk

753
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: it out. This person is like freaking out internally, but

754
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: maybe nothing's wrong with you. Yeah, it's just it's my

755
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: job to be like, Okay, us, what a nice reminder

756
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: that like skin gets blemishes, the sun affects us, we

757
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: get pigmentation. Here's what we're doing to control that. It's

758
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. We're going to take care of it.

759
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's a deeper conversation around like that education,

760
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: knowledge is power, and being exposed to a pimple and

761
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: not dying yes, and then and then the like the

762
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: what we're being exposed to online in the world everywhere

763
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: we go. The comparison that is something we all just

764
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: have to like monitor, managing expectations around like what's real,

765
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: what's not real, trying not to get caught up in

766
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: like filters, and remembering that like what you're seeing might

767
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: not be exactly like the whole truth. It might be

768
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: like thousands of dollars and effort and time of professionals

769
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: and cameras and lighting and you know what I mean,

770
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: like I could, I well, I had, I was talking

771
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: to I don't know if it was on I think

772
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: it was on Amy's podcast, my friend Amy. I think

773
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: it was on one of her fifth Thing Tuesday episodes

774
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: that I was on. We were talking about lighting when

775
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: you're filming something on your phone and like, how if

776
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: you're in your car if you put your visor light on.

777
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: She was like, is that bad that I like like

778
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: to do that? And I was like no, because now

779
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: again we're going back to this whole idea that we

780
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: are demonizing wanting to look and feel beautiful. We just

781
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: have to like know when then maybe we're in our

782
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: house and we're filming something and we're like, why don't

783
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: we look this way anymore? It's because you had your

784
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: visor light down. It's not because you now are disgusting

785
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna want to see your face anymore. It's

786
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: just that you have different lighting. So as much as

787
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: we need to remind ourselves when other people, when we're

788
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: seeing other people of like they probably have a professional team,

789
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: we have to remind ourselves that, like I had a

790
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: ring light when I took that picture and now I'm

791
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: just like in my bathroom with these florescent lightbulbs. Don't

792
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: you do a car to Everybody looks good in the car.

793
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Every selfie I've ever taken in my driver's seat fire,

794
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I look good. But if I open up, if I

795
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: open up my like front facing camera while I'm like

796
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: on the couch, it's god. Yeah, yeah, I'm just kidding,

797
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: because the truth is I mean, like lighting is everything, honestly,

798
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm glad we don't use as many filters.

799
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: I I still as a professional. That's just kind of

800
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: my motto. Like I don't really filter my stories. How

801
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: fake marketing would that be if you did that? I know.

802
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: But also sometimes I'm like, but this filter is so fun.

803
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: There's like music in the background, like colors are flashing.

804
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: But I'm like, it just happens to also have that

805
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: like um smooth, which is so bad. But like I'm like, oh,

806
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: sometimes I want to use this, but I will like

807
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: kind of say that or if I do like a

808
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: whole series of like if I do like four stories

809
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: in a row that have a filter on it, I'll

810
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: usually post like a real photo of myself like in

811
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: that moment. Just oh, by the way, that was a filter,

812
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: just letting people know, yeah, hey, that was a filter. Yeah,

813
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: because most people don't. We don't see that. Also, or

814
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: just I could let people know more to like also

815
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: I was wearing makeup here, or also I've been doing

816
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: the same skincare routine for like years and so this

817
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: level of maintenance is like I have pretty healthy skin

818
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: at this point, and I know how to handle like

819
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: issues that arise. I'm sure you get. This is when

820
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: people ask, like, what we we've talked about this before,

821
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: what do you use? And then they think that if

822
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: I use what Hannah uses, my face will look like that.

823
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like asking jl what do you use?

824
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you think that because you, let's say

825
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: you did use what Jlo used, So doesn't mean that

826
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: you're going to look like that. Just like asking a

827
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: trainer or somebody that you see and you're like, I

828
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: want to have their body, asking them what they eat

829
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: in a day. You might eat that and look completely different.

830
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: You might do that same workout and look completely different

831
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: because our bodies just are different. Influencer as professionals, anybody

832
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: like I really feel like people who are like here's

833
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: what I use, Like that's sales. Sometimes I'll want to

834
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: highlight a product because I want to be education knoll

835
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: around it or something, but I don't necessarily like say

836
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: like whether how much or how often I use this

837
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: exact thing. I have a solid routine, and so do

838
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: all my clients. But I rarely prescribe like what I

839
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: use for other people because everyone's skin is different. And

840
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: if I were just just up on my Instagram all

841
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: the time being like here's my routine this morning, Like

842
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: that's not because I just want to show you, that's

843
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: because people want to sell things to you. This goes

844
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: for like influencers, estheticians, professionals, doctors, people with authority that

845
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: are also selling. Um. I saw this quote one time

846
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was so I was like, oh,

847
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: asing er, be careful with those who have all the answers.

848
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: They're trying to sell you something. Where is that from?

849
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: I just had it on my I like posted it.

850
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: It was like I read it somewhere and then I

851
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: used it in one of my posts because I wanted

852
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: to talk about I wanted to actually like promise my

853
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: clients like I'm never going to be like here's my routine,

854
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: because my routine has nothing to do with you. Trust me.

855
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: I know how to get you healthy skin, but it's

856
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: going to look like what healthy skin is for you,

857
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: not mine. You're not getting my skin, You're getting your

858
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: version of healthy skin. Also, it's always gonna be different.

859
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: I freaking love that. I don't know why I'm like

860
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: emotional about that quote, but like that speaks where say

861
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: doesn't just call you and then you're like okay, by this, this,

862
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: this is, and this. You make them come in and

863
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: you have a conversation, you look at their skin. Then

864
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: like there's an experimentation phase where like you have to

865
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: try things and maybe that doesn't work, and then maybe

866
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: we to do this. You know this, I don't always

867
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: get it right because I mean I have all of

868
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: the formulation knowledge, and I have experience knowledge with like

869
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: how this ingredient works on skin lots of different types

870
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: of skin, because I have lots of different types of clients.

871
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: But when I meet someone, I can do a full

872
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: and thorough analysis and still get it wrong once or twice.

873
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: But that just causes me to make like a couple

874
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: of tweaks, and then we can usually figure it out

875
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: just takes patience, Yes, but that I think is the

876
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: same thing. I've talked to people who do hair and

877
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, you do you ever just like sit there

878
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, I wonder what's going to happen when

879
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I like wash their hand right, because sometimes you don't

880
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: know you ever see your hair style is like open

881
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: up the foil, like with the eyes they've made like

882
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: some like there's something going on internally, like they're thinking,

883
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: what do I need to do next? Because some is

884
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: it lifting? Is it orange? Is it falling off? Like

885
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: you never know? Did that tone or just like turn

886
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: it green instead of Yeah. I know that there's like

887
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: they're doing like in their head so they know what

888
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: they're doing, but also there's an essence of like, oh,

889
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: I might need to add this or maybe need to

890
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: come in next time and then we'll do this part.

891
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: I've changed my hair color multiple times, and it's not

892
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: just like a exact formulation for every person, just like

893
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: a therapist. And I have to say this because I

894
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: feel this all the time. Let's say have a client

895
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: who like did really awesome work with me and we

896
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: got we did amazing things, and they tell their friends

897
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: and then their friend wants to come see me. Okay,

898
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: I might not be the right therapist for that friend,

899
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: because I might work really good and know how to

900
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: do this, but it doesn't mean that you are going

901
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: to be the cat did this? Was so and so

902
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: and why aren't why don't I get to do that thing?

903
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Or why does she never bring out the scarves in

904
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: our session? Or why isn't she ever? And it's like

905
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: because there's not one formulation for everybody, and also it

906
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: can be trial and error to it's like I might

907
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: have to push you a little farther to get to

908
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: a certain point or that's why you Oh my gosh. First,

909
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the whole episode is like cat unplugged. Because then also,

910
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: like you learn in grad school, like different modalities, and

911
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: there's like this, there's at one point there there's just

912
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: one modality and there's like a certain amount of sessions

913
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: and in each session you did each thing, and I

914
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: would get so mad because I'm like, we can't do

915
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: this because how do we know that this is going

916
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: to happen in the third session? And what if we

917
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: need And that just bothers me because they do that

918
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: with skin to like certain protocols. You're like you're gonna

919
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: need three of these spaced four weeks apart, and I'm like,

920
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: are you sure? What if you take Sometimes it takes six.

921
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: And then if I promise the client upfront like we

922
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: only need to do three, and then like they get

923
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: to the third one and they're not seeing the results

924
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: that they want, and then I'm a liar or I'm

925
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: a scammer. I'm taking all your money and it's not working,

926
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm also panicking. I want results as

927
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: much as you do. I think that it's like I

928
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: can have in a certain essence, I know what i'm doing,

929
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: and part of me knowing what I'm doing is knowing

930
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: that I'm not always going to have every single answer

931
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: when every person wants it. And I think that's what

932
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: makes you a wonderful provider because you are realistic like that,

933
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: and you're also well, that's what makes is what makes

934
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: us great. Um. But I do think what's scary is

935
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: like all these people out here influencer style, using their

936
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: authority and their license or their career path, whatever their

937
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: job is, using their authority to say they have all

938
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: the answers, and I think they can get a ton

939
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: of sales from that good for them. What they're not

940
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: showing is that every time they sell their exact routine

941
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: to so and so, and also, like forty other people,

942
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: maybe thirty five of them don't see the results that

943
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: that they are getting. You know that I'm the one

944
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: person is getting. So that is I just feel like

945
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: I would rather have less reactions, less issues, and prescribe

946
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: like what's only right for you and not share what

947
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm using. Yes, so that that's what we started. What

948
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: now we're back to their original part of what we

949
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: were talking about. Really, you know, I'm saying like we

950
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: started with you saying like I'm not going to tell

951
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: you exactly what I did because yes, yes, oh yeah,

952
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: but that I was thinking. The reason I'm laughing because

953
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, that's what we started with. And

954
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking right now of like, because it goes back

955
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: to the quote that you said, like be careful to

956
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: people have all the answers they're trying to sell you something.

957
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: Was that the quote? That's the quote it makes me

958
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: think of I've talked about this a couple of times

959
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: on here, my disdain towards like dating coaches, relationship coaches,

960
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like when did this become such a hot thing.

961
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: It that these people are giving universal advice to tell

962
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: you how you're going to get the life you want

963
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: and the partner you want, and then this, and it's like,

964
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: how are they doing If anybody who knows anything about

965
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: the human condition knows that, I can't just tell you

966
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: how to act, so then you're going to get exactly

967
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: what you want. There's too many factors yours. And also

968
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: those people are making so much money because they're promising

969
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: something we all want or that most of us want.

970
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: You're literally touching like the core of like connection is

971
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: like human like that's like we literally are all striving

972
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: for that. What an industry? That's I'm glad, I'm not that.

973
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: I struggled a long time wondering why does it bother

974
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: me so much? Why do dating coaches? Why do life coaches?

975
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: Why do why do some of these things bother me?

976
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: And it's not so much them in general. It's the

977
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of times when I'm seeing that,

978
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm seeing things that aren't true, but I'm also seeing

979
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: things that people are attracted to, And so practically, why

980
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: people are watching this, I know exactly why people are

981
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: buying into this and it feels like they're monetizing like

982
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: a very human somebody's insecure emotion. Yeah, very yeah. And

983
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: if that stuff was like super helpful to everybody, I

984
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, maybe like they have something to it,

985
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: and maybe I should be doing some relationship it. Actually,

986
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: I mean that I've always wondered too, uh, Like, at

987
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: what point am I like, just like, do people think

988
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm vain because I care about like skin health? Is it? Like?

989
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: Am I only be like, you know what I mean?

990
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: So that's because I am in that world where like

991
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I want you to have healthy skin. I want you

992
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: to have maybe less breakouts than you were having so

993
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: that you can feel confident. But how do I do

994
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: this in a way that isn't promoting unhealthy image and

995
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: unhealthy and unrealistic expectations? But I think you do that

996
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: And I think, but but that's how I did it

997
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: was by by maybe like refocusing on what health the

998
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: skin actually is, what that looks like from person to person,

999
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: and then giving people the like autonomy and body literacy

1000
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: to understand that deeply so that they can carry that

1001
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: with them throughout the day, throughout their life, week, months.

1002
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: But isn't the thing that you say, like, help you

1003
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: achieve the healthy skin of your life. I empower my

1004
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: clients to achieve the healthiest skin of their life. I don't.

1005
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: And I that is I thought long and hard about

1006
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: like what what what do I stand for? What do

1007
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: I do? And I was like, I don't get people

1008
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: perfect skin. I say, this is the healthy skin of

1009
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: your the key word being your life. This is yours,

1010
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: this is your skin, it's your body. This is what

1011
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: healthy skin is to you. Empowerment culture kind of is weird.

1012
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: So I don't like like like the like empowerment has

1013
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: like a whole thing. That's the thing that I spring

1014
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: into the water. But I didn't always love the word

1015
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: empower why because men don't have to be empowered, they

1016
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: just are. And so I was like, don't want to

1017
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: use that word. I just like don't want to. Sorry.

1018
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: This is the father's like a deeper conversation. Hold on,

1019
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: men don't have like empowerment, summits women do. Why men

1020
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: also don't have as much like beauty standard. I know

1021
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: they do and it can get super toxic. But I mean,

1022
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: my husband is not being like probably is more along

1023
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: the lines like they're not allowed to care about it

1024
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: because oh, yeah, it's like it's like a masculine to masculine.

1025
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah totally, but sorry. The word to empower there was

1026
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: like I I kind of struggled over it for a

1027
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: minute because I was like, I don't want people to

1028
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: think that it's like this big like empowerment. I don't know,

1029
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: But the truth is is like, to me, being empowered

1030
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: to achieve the healthiest skin of your life is that

1031
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: I help you with my expertise, but I also infuse

1032
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: into you the power to like feel confident and beautiful

1033
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: and have the tools in your arsenal to keep your

1034
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: skin healthy. And that is that. I don't know if

1035
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: that's weird or I definitely just wanted to say I

1036
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: did think long and hard about the word empowered because

1037
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes it gets used in a weird way,

1038
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: but I think it gets hijacked, just like a lot

1039
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: of things. Because when you said that, I was like, huh.

1040
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: Because when I went to school, we learned so much

1041
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: about how our job is not to fix or do

1042
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: so much as to empower other people to change their

1043
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: own lives. And and I love that. I love the

1044
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: word empowered. I've never thought about it that way, but

1045
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: I think now I'm having some thoughts that it's for

1046
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: another podcast, but we can talk about it. But it's

1047
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: interesting that you're like, oh, this weird thing with it

1048
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: when I'm like, oh, that's just another thing that's hijacked. Guys,

1049
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: we have to stop letting good things. I know it's

1050
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: not bad. I I just I've heard lots of conversations

1051
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: around empowerment and how it kind of has like a

1052
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: female vibe. It does, and I thought it was important

1053
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: to like think about if this is actually right or not.

1054
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: But then what other word do you if I said

1055
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: I help people achieve the healthiest skin of their life,

1056
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: that is mine. It's only me. I do this, and um,

1057
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: well I do, But I mean you're giving people the

1058
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: power to go do it on their own. That's like

1059
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Speaker 1: I don't want people do it on your own with

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Speaker 1: my with professional help, with my help. And I am

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Speaker 1: not here to tell you that I have all the answers,

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Speaker 1: but I do have a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: I do have a lot of knowledge that I can

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Speaker 1: like infuse into you that helps you without like whether

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Speaker 1: you are a client that I see until I'm sixty

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Speaker 1: years old, and retire, or if I see you for

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Speaker 1: a short stint three months and then you move away

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I hope that I empowered you to know

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Speaker 1: that they're like healthy skin is achievable with certain tools

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Speaker 1: and a certain mindset, and you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's just so much deeper than just like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: do this treatment, come get this and spend money. This

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Speaker 1: is my career and I do like have to pay bills.

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Speaker 1: So yes, like there's money and there's a transaction involved,

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Speaker 1: but I hope that I give you more than just

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Speaker 1: that one one day transaction, one treatment or one product thing,

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Speaker 1: Like I really hope that I give you the tools

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Speaker 1: to manage like your expectations and that you feel beautiful

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Speaker 1: and healthy and awesome and amazing, like even outside of

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Speaker 1: your treatments with me. That's what I really hope. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. We have to cut this off because

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Speaker 1: I said, we're I said, I've really been trying to

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Speaker 1: make these episodes about thirty mins. Here we are. Um,

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Speaker 1: So there's so much in this. I think that my

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Speaker 1: my hope and even having this conversation, especially in the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the year, is to help get us thinking

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Speaker 1: more about the why behind what it is that we're wanting.

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Speaker 1: Because maybe you wanting to have skin that looks different

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Speaker 1: isn't bad. It's the why behind that. Maybe you wanting

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Speaker 1: botox isn't bad. It's the why behind that, maybe you

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Speaker 1: wanting to whatever it is, Like, I think the why

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Speaker 1: behind the what is so parton and beauty standards in

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Speaker 1: our culture and diet culture as a whole has really

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Speaker 1: messed with our wise and it's convoluted them and it's

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Speaker 1: gotten them a little like muddy, and we can't really see.

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Speaker 1: And so I think if we take a step back

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Speaker 1: and really sit with what do I want now, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about why, then we can probably easier better and

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Speaker 1: I would assume even faster sometimes achieve those goals when

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Speaker 1: we're more clear about why we want them. So and

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Speaker 1: surrounding yourself with like people and providers that kind of

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Speaker 1: embodied that practice of giving you the tools outside of

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Speaker 1: just like making the sale or whatever, whether it's therapy,

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Speaker 1: as astheticians, nurse injectors, like people who are conscious that

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Speaker 1: like this isn't just a like a one time thing,

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Speaker 1: this is like how you feel about yourself. This is

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Speaker 1: going to like I'm aware when I'm touching faces all

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Speaker 1: day that like, this is more than just me touching

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Speaker 1: your face and exfoliating you or whatever. This is how you.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna walk away from today feeling a certain way

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Speaker 1: about yourself and that's so important to me. So that

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Speaker 1: is going to wrap it up for us today. I

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Speaker 1: really hope that you guys could like sit in what

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Speaker 1: we were saying and got something out of it. If

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Speaker 1: you have any questions, whether it's about something I said

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Speaker 1: or something Hannah said, please reach out. You can email

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Speaker 1: me at Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: You also can connect with Hannah. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: shout out your things? Yeah, my email is Hannah Ellis

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Speaker 1: skincare at I cloud dot com. Super easy. You can

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Speaker 1: also find me on Instagram. I'm the Nashville Aesthetician. A

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Speaker 1: sthetician is spelled within a here in Tennessee, so it's

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Speaker 1: a E S T H E T I C I

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Speaker 1: A N. But if you type in the Nashville or

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Speaker 1: Hannah Ellis like it might pop up. That's easier. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll tag all your stuff in the show nuts to

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Speaker 1: people to find you there. So thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you'll eventually be back because we have more content

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, I feel like we really like

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Speaker 1: what to the can of worms open? It's wide open, gaping. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: I will talk to you guys on Wednesday for couch Shocks.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New Year, O, goodbye