WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #46

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<v Speaker 1>Also media. All right, I'm doing the intro.

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<v Speaker 2>What are crackers and crack ats?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that good? Perfect?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we say that? I think?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you have.

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<v Speaker 1>A non binary cracks crack thems? I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm definitionly not a cracker.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to use the word crack ats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it's not appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>That's reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to ed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should just we should old. Sorry, James, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's just keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the intro.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it could happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Here Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what is happening

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<v Speaker 4>in the White House, the crumbling of our world, and

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<v Speaker 4>what this means to you. I am James Stout and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm joined today by Robert Evans and Mia Wong and Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie is also here.

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<v Speaker 4>And this episode we are covering the week of December

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<v Speaker 4>eleventh to December seventeenth, a week before the week that

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<v Speaker 4>is Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, baby. So I hope you've done your shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you've got me a gift. Because I pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to which of our listeners do and do not

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<v Speaker 1>buy me presents? Yeah, so do I you will never

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<v Speaker 1>find me and you shouldn't try.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's currently Honkkah, happy honkah.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy hony, right, yes, oh yeah, happy honekah. All the

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<v Speaker 1>holidays have a yeah, quasi Kwanza, have a solemn, dignified tet.

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<v Speaker 1>All the holidays have a good one of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Happy Winter Solstice, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Solstice more unhappy Solstice. It's kind of a bittersweet holiday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>super Saturnalia. You know, it's a good one. So holidays

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<v Speaker 1>are nice, but we're going to talk about some things

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<v Speaker 1>that are less nice today. The government, Yes, the government,

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<v Speaker 1>and specific parts of the Let's start with some headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Garthamis has obtained information about ICE being able to enter

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<v Speaker 1>private parts of New York City shelters without a judicial

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<v Speaker 1>warrant or being able to obtain private information about residents,

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<v Speaker 1>despite both of these, in theory being prohibited by sanctuary

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<v Speaker 1>city laws in New York. Right, thiss happened at least

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<v Speaker 1>five times.

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<v Speaker 4>The way Gothamis found this is by making a public

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<v Speaker 4>records request for incident reports, which is a clever use

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<v Speaker 4>of public record law nice one. The city has already

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<v Speaker 4>aware of both jail and police officers violating these laws,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think this is a good example of how

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<v Speaker 4>people think of sanctuary city laws as inassailable, but in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>sanctuary laws be the city, state, whatever jurisdiction, are very

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<v Speaker 4>often violated, and it's good to see that being reported

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<v Speaker 4>on more. Last week, we talked about Faustino Pablo Pablo, right,

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<v Speaker 4>the guy who had been sent to Guatemala despite the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that he had protections under the Convention against Torture

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<v Speaker 4>for being returned there. The government has returned him to

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<v Speaker 4>the US, which is good.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a rare, good immigration story. It did really

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<v Speaker 1>bum me out to see that, Like, there were dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of articles on him being sent there, right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find anything any reporting on him being returned, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like, we should be happy for these people.

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<v Speaker 1>We should.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we don't get many wins and we should take them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should be happy that this guy is not

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<v Speaker 1>being likely to be tortured.

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<v Speaker 4>At least it is still possible for them to remove

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<v Speaker 4>him to a third country, right, that is not outside

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<v Speaker 4>the realm of possibility. But right now he's not in

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<v Speaker 4>a place where a gidge A judicated he was likely

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<v Speaker 4>to be tortured, and that is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. And Trump has designated fentanel as a weapon of

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<v Speaker 1>mass destruction, which is great. What are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 6>Like, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Am trained as a historian, and I probably should remind

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<v Speaker 4>you that we have been down this road before with

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<v Speaker 4>the weapons of mass destruction, and I hope this is

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<v Speaker 4>not leading where it did last time, but I am

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<v Speaker 4>very worried that it might.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things. I'm both We'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll know before this episode ends whether or not I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson stated recently that a source has told him

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<v Speaker 1>the presidential announcement coming up is Trump declaring war, right that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing a war with Venezuela full on, not just

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<v Speaker 1>some like air strikes and stuff, just not to minimize

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<v Speaker 1>a legal air strike in the sea or on Venezuela

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<v Speaker 1>or soil. I don't know if I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the likeliest thing. It just seems like such a huge jump.

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<v Speaker 1>But also at this point there's a whole armada blocking

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<v Speaker 1>off Venezuela from the rest of the world. And Trump

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<v Speaker 1>put out a statement saying that their oil is our

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<v Speaker 1>oil and belongs rightly to American companies. So very very

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<v Speaker 1>very possible when we're about to go to war with them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certainly not a I don't know what's gonna happen, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm white knuckling it like everybody else. Yeah, that fucking sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know the thing about that oil.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read the exact quote to you, James. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from a trump a Truth social post which has twelve

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<v Speaker 1>point four thousand retruths and forty seven thousand likes. Venezuela

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<v Speaker 1>is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of South America. It will only get bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>and the shock to then will be like nothing they

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<v Speaker 1>have ever seen before until such time as they returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States of America all of the oil, land,

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<v Speaker 1>and other assets that they previously stole from US. The

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<v Speaker 1>illegitimate Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil

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<v Speaker 1>fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 1>For the theft of our assets and many other reasons

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<v Speaker 1>including terrorism, drug smuggling, and human trafficking, the Venezuelan regime

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<v Speaker 1>has been designated a foreign terrorist organization. Therefore, today I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil

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<v Speaker 1>tankers going into and out of Venezuela. The illegal aliens

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<v Speaker 1>and criminals that the Madeira regime has sent the United

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<v Speaker 1>States during the weekend and Biden administration are being returned

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<v Speaker 1>to Venezuela at a rapid pace. YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all of our oil, land and other assets have to

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<v Speaker 1>be returned to the United States, which, like he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about oil that American companies have had at points like

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<v Speaker 1>contracts to exploit. Yeah, but he's phrasing it is like

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<v Speaker 1>their land and oil is our land and oil.

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<v Speaker 4>Which yeah, that's a very colonial way of phrasing like

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<v Speaker 4>a contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times, you know, I would be like, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if war is the most reasonable thing

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<v Speaker 1>to expect. When the president's posting shit like that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very reasonable to be like, I think we might go

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<v Speaker 1>to war. I think he might be about to invade Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going to happen, but it's you're

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<v Speaker 1>no longer being like a kooky conspiracy theorist to be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he's about to try to take over Venezuela, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that is what's coming.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't understand how in that instance they would

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<v Speaker 4>continue to get Venezuela to accept people. It's the US

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<v Speaker 4>is removing the sticking points that I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's found a third country, right that they've they've

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<v Speaker 1>been very fond of finding third countries. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>should explain a little bit about oil leaving Venezuela, just

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<v Speaker 1>so like people are aware of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So like Robert read the truth something someone says in church,

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, here we are. So they're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about like blockading sanctioned oil tankers. Not necessarily every tanker

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<v Speaker 4>that enters Venezuela is sanctioned, Like I believe Chevron has

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<v Speaker 4>some contracts with Chevron.

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<v Speaker 1>Tankers should be cruising.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of chevroll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue, right, they should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go back and forth. They're not sanctioned.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the Venezuelan State Oil Company, which in English, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess you would say pdvsavasavasay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what Venezuela

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<v Speaker 4>has done previously, And this is not by any means

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<v Speaker 4>unique to Venezuela, but this is generally how many of

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<v Speaker 4>these regimes that are kind kind of in the ambit

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<v Speaker 4>of Venezuela. I'm talking about Iran and Russia here have

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<v Speaker 4>avoided sanctions and sanctioned entities so far as by using

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<v Speaker 4>what are called ghost ships.

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<v Speaker 1>I will link to an explainer on this.

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<v Speaker 4>What they will do is use the names and identify

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<v Speaker 4>as the vessels that have been scrapped. They will change

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<v Speaker 4>the flags of vessels, often to these small island nations,

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<v Speaker 4>for whom allowing ships to use their flag as kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a source of income. Right, And they will often

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<v Speaker 4>use these to go out into international waters and then

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<v Speaker 4>offload cargo, in this case oil.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So it just happens pretty frequently with Venezuelan vessels. That

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<v Speaker 4>was one it was one such vessel called the Skipper

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<v Speaker 4>that the US Coast Guard boarded I think last week

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<v Speaker 4>as we're recording this. Yeah, sure, that is how Venezuela

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<v Speaker 4>has previously been evading these sanctions, right, And Iran does

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<v Speaker 4>this too.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia does this too.

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<v Speaker 4>They also do things like spoof their location or turn

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<v Speaker 4>off their They have like a locate to beacon the

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<v Speaker 4>ship they're supposed to use a transponder. Yeah, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>this is fairly common practice. But Obviously, the way to

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<v Speaker 4>stop that is a physical blockade, right, Like, that's not

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<v Speaker 4>going to be possible if these if the US is

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<v Speaker 4>effectively like inspecting ships leaving Venezuela, right or sort of

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<v Speaker 4>keeping a very close eye on them, So that will end,

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<v Speaker 4>and with that will end a very important source of

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<v Speaker 4>income for the Maduta regime if they keep doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, obviously one of the sort of issues we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to work out what is going to happen here, especially

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<v Speaker 3>before whatever speech Trump is about to give, is that

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to figure out state policy from Trump posting. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a lot of this that is enormously incoherent.

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<v Speaker 3>So Okay, the thing about designating the government of Venezuela

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<v Speaker 3>as a foreign terrorist organization is one of the weirdest

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<v Speaker 3>things I've ever seen. And this was also unhinged. The

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<v Speaker 3>closest thing we've ever really gotten to that, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>was the IERGC. Yeah, and maybe you could go back

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<v Speaker 3>and say the Khmer Rouge, but like, they weren't really

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<v Speaker 3>a government by that point, so this is not This

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<v Speaker 3>is not a designation that has ever been given to

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<v Speaker 3>a government before. Right, it doesn't make any sense to

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<v Speaker 3>give it to a government. It doesn't make sense to

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<v Speaker 3>give to this government. I mean, you know, even if

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<v Speaker 3>you're working with in the logic of counter terrorism, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just you know, unhinged, murderous imperialism to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>But all of the reporting on this has been assuming

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<v Speaker 3>that the blockade will be of you know, like of

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<v Speaker 3>these specifically sanctioned oil tankers. However, come The thing about

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<v Speaker 3>the Foreign Terrorist Organization designation is that it does things.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that that Foreign Terrorist Organization

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<v Speaker 3>designation does is that if you do business with a

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<v Speaker 3>with a foreign terrorist organization, you are now immediately on

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<v Speaker 3>the line from material support of terrorism charges like chef run. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there are lots of countries like Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this fine with the US military carrying out air

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<v Speaker 1>strikes on Chevron executives and their property, Let's be clear

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I would I would salute the red, white,

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<v Speaker 1>and Blue if we dropped some hell fires on that

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<v Speaker 1>C suite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all very weird. My understanding of the FTO

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<v Speaker 3>designation process is that, well, how it's supposed to work

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<v Speaker 3>is that the President proposes it and then the Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>of State and Sectuary of the Treasurer, I think have

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<v Speaker 3>to improve it, and then there's a seven day period

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<v Speaker 3>where Congress has it an opportunity to say no, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it goes up. So right now we should be

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<v Speaker 3>theoretically in the seven day window, but it's also really

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<v Speaker 3>unclear what the illustration has actually been doing because again

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<v Speaker 3>we're being governed by post.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's so it's not announced as an executive action

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<v Speaker 4>on White House dot gov, and I think normally it

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<v Speaker 4>goes there and then the seven day congressional period commences.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's not in the federal right to either. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>all we have is a truth.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, yeah, and like and this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>the problem is that this is this is sort of

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<v Speaker 3>the Calvin Ball War in that they're using they're using

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<v Speaker 3>the names of actual legal categories and things that have

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<v Speaker 3>material effects in the world, but they're just posts. And

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be very clear about this. Even just

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<v Speaker 3>doing a blockade on these sanctioned vessels is an active war. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like that that's an that's very deliberately an active war.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an active imperial aggression. It is morally wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>It is also unbelievably illegal under the War Powers Act.

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<v Speaker 3>And this this is this has actually gotten a response

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<v Speaker 3>from Democrats in Congress. There's been a few measures. CBS

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<v Speaker 3>is reporting this has been if there's been a few

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<v Speaker 3>measures to stop the president from starting a war. Here,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to quote CBS. A second measure from Democratic Rep.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim mcgovernor in Massachusetts would remove the armed forces quote

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<v Speaker 3>from hostilities with or against Venezuela that have not been

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<v Speaker 3>authorized by Congress. McGovern's resolution could face the best chance

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<v Speaker 3>of potential adoption since it has three gop CO sponsors.

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<v Speaker 3>Rep's Marjory Taylor Green of Georgia, Thomas Massey of Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 3>and Don Bacon of Nebraska. Bacon says he would also

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<v Speaker 3>vote and f he or Meeks his measure. Bacon's taking

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<v Speaker 3>a very weird line here of Keen's congressional approval, and

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<v Speaker 3>also I support him doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>So purely a procedural objection.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a I want my board, but I want

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<v Speaker 3>Congress to have a little shred of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's alcial work. Noting what exactly is

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<v Speaker 3>going on here. I'm someone who's on the record as

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how political economy in Latin America and American

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<v Speaker 3>imperialism is usually slightly more complicated than they just want

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<v Speaker 3>to resource, but they just want a resource here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one, this one really is yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, like so it's only like like like Bolivia, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>every everyone thinks that that that the whole coup Oblivia

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<v Speaker 3>was about lithium and it yes, I'm very mad about this,

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<v Speaker 3>it was not. If you look at the people of

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<v Speaker 3>you look at Camato, if you look at people who

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<v Speaker 3>were actually running that coup, they were all Bolivian agrobarons.

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<v Speaker 3>Because a huge part of what was going on there

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<v Speaker 3>was a rebellion by the sort of agro business like

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<v Speaker 3>agricultural elite who joined with parts of like a reactionary

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<v Speaker 3>every middle class.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Venezuela has the world's largest oil preserves, but there were

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<v Speaker 3>significant problems extracting the oil right. Many of these problems

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<v Speaker 3>stem from the two thousand and two to two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and three opposition general strike. This is back after Hugo

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<v Speaker 3>Chaves was elected. So in two thousand and two there

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<v Speaker 3>was a coup against Chaves that failed and was sort

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<v Speaker 3>of overturned famously. But later that year there was also

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of opposition general strike that lasted from late

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two to early two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>and a huge part of that general strike was oil

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<v Speaker 3>workers specifically, and it was very specifically. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>things about the structure of oil production is that there

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<v Speaker 3>were a bunch of very very highly paid and highly

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<v Speaker 3>skilled technical workers who are are very very loyal to

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<v Speaker 3>the oil companies themselves and who are very loyal to

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<v Speaker 3>who are sort of tend to be very right wing.

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<v Speaker 3>These people went on strike and sort of got fired

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<v Speaker 3>on mass. Oil production requires both a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 3>heavy capital and a bunch of highly skilled workers, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't have both of those things, then you

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<v Speaker 3>can't do oil extraction. And this has sort of been

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<v Speaker 3>a recurring problem for the entire time both sort of

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<v Speaker 3>fugual Srofics and Majuro has been in office, is that

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't had the capacity to actually extract a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of the oil, and also they've refused to turn the

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<v Speaker 3>oil over to more American companies that have already been contracted.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also worth noting there's a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 1>about like Venezuela having the world's largest reserves, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that is like them jinking the numbers by

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<v Speaker 1>including a lot of like tire sands, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>that no one's going to try to get extract fuel

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<v Speaker 1>from because it's too expensive and too much of a

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<v Speaker 1>pain in the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not worth it anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>And also that claims to reserves not actually part of

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<v Speaker 4>Venezuela at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, right right, Like we're not working with exact with

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<v Speaker 1>accurate information.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's messy. And it's also worth noting that

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<v Speaker 3>like the oil numbers, I mean, obviously all oil numbers

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<v Speaker 3>are political, but the oil numbers here are extraordinarily political,

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<v Speaker 3>because these are numbers that are basically used as a

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<v Speaker 3>pitch by sort of like the opposition to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get a US backed too. And it's also sort of

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<v Speaker 3>word noting that the other thing that's happening here, and

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<v Speaker 3>the reason this is all going to probably cause really

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<v Speaker 3>significant economic problems and probably humanitarian disaster, both in Venezuela

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<v Speaker 3>and probably also in Cuba, which extensively relies on Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 3>oil to have their economy function, is that the Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 3>economy has been really structured around oil in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that they failed to transition out of multiple times. The

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<v Speaker 3>first big one I've done in a different episode about

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<v Speaker 3>this in the Neolipical List series a bunch of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, there was a whole bunch of delivery

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<v Speaker 3>sabotage by American car companies over the attempt to build

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<v Speaker 3>it car industry. There's a long sort of history of this.

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<v Speaker 3>But it means that both of these countries' economies are

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<v Speaker 3>desperately reliant on oil. And the more of this is

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<v Speaker 3>just that is cut off, the more fucked it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to get for just everyone in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And you can already see how much worse

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<v Speaker 1>it's got from the time I went to Venezuela to

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<v Speaker 1>to now. Like, they're very vulnerable to changes in crude

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<v Speaker 1>oil prices, right, and that has, along with corruption in

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<v Speaker 1>a government which doesn't really give a shit about the

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<v Speaker 1>material welfare of these people, has already made things unsustainably

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<v Speaker 1>hard for people in Venezuela, and that will only get worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I want to conclude, basically on a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of things. Wonders that too, this is going to cause

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<v Speaker 3>more waves of migration and refugees fleeing the country, both

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<v Speaker 3>from potential realist military strikes and for the economic damage.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been some moves in the international stage, with China

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<v Speaker 3>and Mexico expressing support for the Venezuelan government. Shine Bomb

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<v Speaker 3>in Mexico is offered to facilitate negotiations and media negotiations

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<v Speaker 3>between the US and Venezuela. It's also kind of word

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<v Speaker 3>noting that right before this whole thing, there was a

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<v Speaker 3>giant Vanity Fair interview with Susie Wiles, who's Trump's chief

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<v Speaker 3>of staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Who oh boy, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is for Roysberry Dubbs this week Coller here.

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<v Speaker 3>God said Trump quote wants to keep blowing up boats

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<v Speaker 3>until Maduro Chris's uncle, which is one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>hideous things I've ever heard. Yeah, it's gangsters, it's literally terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a highway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, it is in Australia structurally, unless you resign,

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<v Speaker 3>we are going to keep killing civilians. But it's hatless

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<v Speaker 3>taker ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of how the

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<v Speaker 1>regime operates.

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<v Speaker 4>If that is the case. So because they don't care

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<v Speaker 4>if their people kept dying.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen Venezuelan people die in the Darian gap,

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<v Speaker 1>right because in part the government is incapable of providing

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<v Speaker 1>for their material needs. They don't care like killing some

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<v Speaker 1>other people with boats is not going to fundamentally change

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<v Speaker 1>the way that government works, because there's any one way

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<v Speaker 1>it can work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think there's the one last thing I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say about this before we head out slash,

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<v Speaker 3>before whatever giant update comes after the speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I've got one after you finish here.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the big problems here is if people in

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<v Speaker 3>the administration really do believe this, they actually do think

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<v Speaker 3>that you can knock off the governments with air strikes,

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<v Speaker 3>and no you can't, No, you can't. They thought this

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<v Speaker 3>about the Huthies too. It's wrong, It's never been right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hideous.

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<v Speaker 1>We just finished doing like a five parter on bastards

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<v Speaker 1>about like the nuclear doom state device that also dealt

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<v Speaker 1>heavily with the work of that Italian Air Force General Duhey,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the first guy in nineteen twenty one to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, you need are bombers. Nothing else is

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<v Speaker 1>necessary in militaries. Now it's nothing but bombers from here.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have enough bombers, no one will ever

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<v Speaker 1>attack you. And this logic has always been wrong. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's also every new generation of like military leaders, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in the air power field, are like all we need

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.960
<v Speaker 1>is air strikes. You don't need to send in ground.

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.399
<v Speaker 1>You can accomplish all of your goals, all of your

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<v Speaker 1>power projection, just by bombing people or shooting missiles at them,

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<v Speaker 1>And they're always wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work. It's just not effective.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, I think the Trump administration is somewhat I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to say high on its own supply. They

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<v Speaker 4>had success in Syria with removing the territorial calipate, mostly

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<v Speaker 4>using US air power. Right, it wasn't a big US

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<v Speaker 4>that was the US part. There was still a shitload

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<v Speaker 4>of Kurdish, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the and yeah, eleven twelve thousand Kurdish people

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<v Speaker 1>died to remove the Islamic extent. More have died since, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And also a shipload of Iraqi soldiers, a mix of

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<v Speaker 1>Kurds and largely guys from in and around Baghdad.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah, like a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Of and a bunch of Arab Syrians. And I don't

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<v Speaker 4>feel like ethnically geeky this at all Assyrian people.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But like a huge amount of the effort was

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<v Speaker 1>guys I mean literally I was in bed with some

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys a lot of Like the fighting tip

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<v Speaker 1>was like literally dudes with fucking knives and hand grenades,

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<v Speaker 1>clearing buildings in hand to hand comb Yeah, those are

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<v Speaker 1>the people who faced danger, right, like, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you need to Unfortunately, you can't do war with computers yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I think that that might be where this

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<v Speaker 1>this belief that and like the Marca Rubio lobby, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida Cubans who are invested in this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump corrollary to the Monroe doctrine right in the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that they can roll back leftist regimes in uh like

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<v Speaker 1>South and Central America.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where a lot of the pressure is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, speaking of pressure, we are being pressured to go

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<v Speaker 3>to ads.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, beautiful, and we're back. There's an update I

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<v Speaker 1>just came across as we're doing this. We talked about

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 1>how Tucker as an inside source saying that Trump's basically

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<v Speaker 1>go out of Claire War. There's another article that just

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<v Speaker 1>came out on Stitch Snitches by Gloria Shaw, citing a

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<v Speaker 1>pro Trump host on Real America's Voice who characterized the

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming Oval Office address as a pr thing meant basically

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<v Speaker 1>as an acknowledgment that a lot of Trump's voters are

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated that he keeps talking about like international issues like Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>while everything is more expensive for them and they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to lose their jobs and the economy is shit. To

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<v Speaker 1>quote from that article, and this is them quoting a

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<v Speaker 1>segment from that Real America's Voice podcast. The remarks came

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<v Speaker 1>during a segment on The water Cooler with co host

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<v Speaker 1>David Brody, who teas the nine pm Eastern address is

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<v Speaker 1>an elevated effort to regain the narrative on affordability. The

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<v Speaker 1>president is going to be in the Oval Office tonight

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<v Speaker 1>nine pm Eastern, Brody said, big address to the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>He's elevating this clearly, this is to regain the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>and explain more about the affordability issue America and what

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<v Speaker 1>this administration is doing. I think they're trying to seize

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<v Speaker 1>this right off the top and make sure it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get away from them. And the claims here is basically

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<v Speaker 1>like this is Trump trying to steal a night march

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<v Speaker 1>on the twenty twenty six election cycle and reset a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what people are talking about around affordability, Like

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this argument is that now he's basically acknowledging that it's

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<v Speaker 1>been kind of a mistake to focus so much on

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>his overseas policies, and he really needs to start promising

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<v Speaker 1>that that golden age is actually going to come for

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<v Speaker 1>his voters, which the numbers don't bear out right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>almost no jobs have been added in the US since April.

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<v Speaker 1>There's about seven hundred thousand more people unemployed now than

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<v Speaker 1>there were in November of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Like things aren't yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, Inflation is still wild, Inflation is real bad food,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the material things that we need are going

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<v Speaker 1>up in price faster than general inflation. Like it's no good,

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<v Speaker 1>and people like on his own side the thought. Jessica Tarlov,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a Fox News host of The five Quote, tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>a post about how like the hiring recession just with

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<v Speaker 1>the golden age attached, which is like what Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>been saying. You know, we're going to have a new

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<v Speaker 1>golden age if you make me president. So like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he hasn't done he hasn't followed through any

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<v Speaker 1>of his promises to actually improve life for his voters

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<v Speaker 1>or the economy is starting to hurt. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hopeful that that's what it is, rather than the

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<v Speaker 1>Marines are about to be in Caracas, right, but I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we'll see very soon. Yeah, great stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, talking of international stuff Trump is doing. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the new travel ban. So this this travel band

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<v Speaker 4>dropped yesterday was Tuesday. So it previously had this nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>country travel band. Right, some of that was a complete

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<v Speaker 4>bar to entry if sits into those countries or to

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<v Speaker 4>new these entries. Some of it was a partial bar

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<v Speaker 4>to immigrant visas, not to not to non immigrant visas.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>They have now expanded this to twenty more countries. So

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<v Speaker 4>totally banned now from getting new visas to enter the

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<v Speaker 4>USA a citizens of Burkina, Faso, Mahlei, Nicheere, South Sudan,

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<v Speaker 4>and Syria, as well as a Palestinian authority. The Syria

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<v Speaker 4>one is particularly wild because I'll share it justice to

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<v Speaker 4>the White House. There are like individual case by case exceptions.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's not that they wouldn't block al Shara, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's interesting to look at the justifications that they use here.

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<v Speaker 4>What they are basically saying, I'll just read a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of them here to give you an example, right quote.

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<v Speaker 4>At least one country lacks mechanisms in hospitals to ensure

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<v Speaker 4>bursts are reported, and widespread corruption, combined with a general

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<v Speaker 4>lack of vecking and poor record keeping, result in any

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<v Speaker 4>non citizen being able to obtain any civil document from

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<v Speaker 4>that country, particularly if that person is willing to pay

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<v Speaker 4>a fee or engage an individual that specializes in assisting

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<v Speaker 4>in such fraud. They go on to basically document failures

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<v Speaker 4>in government bureaucracy that they talk about corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. They talk about places where birthy forgets are just

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<v Speaker 1>written by hand. They talk about places where the government

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<v Speaker 1>does not control all.

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<v Speaker 4>The territory prevalence of crime, places which offer citizenship by

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<v Speaker 4>investment without physical residents. They also talk about some of

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<v Speaker 4>these countries not being willing to accept their nationals to

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<v Speaker 4>the US deports and again visa overstair rates, right, which

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<v Speaker 4>is what they spoke about last time. What is getting

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<v Speaker 4>less reporting, or at least was this morning when I looked,

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<v Speaker 4>was that they have removed exemptions which existed for the

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<v Speaker 4>previous nineteen These include family member visas right, So that

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<v Speaker 4>means that, for instance, someone who could themselves become a

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<v Speaker 4>permanent resident or even a citizen, now cannot bring a

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<v Speaker 4>family member, say a spouse, a sibling, etc. Across, even

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<v Speaker 4>though those people were people sly vetted. And it appears

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<v Speaker 4>some there is certain categories of SIVA exempt, but I

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<v Speaker 4>believe not all SIVs, so that's especially immigrant visa right.

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<v Speaker 4>The vast bulk of SIVs will be Afghan people who

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<v Speaker 4>worked with the US military in Afghanistan. The nineteen countries

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<v Speaker 4>who are now partially restricted are I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 4>read them of Angola, Antigram, Barbuda, Benin, Kuttivois, Dominica, Gabon,

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<v Speaker 4>the Gambia, Malawi, Mauritanian, Nigeria, senegauld Tanzania, Tonga, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

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<v Speaker 4>For some reason, the first five of these are underlined

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<v Speaker 4>on the White House website. I don't know if some

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<v Speaker 4>were copied and pisted them across with hyperlinks like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm unable to work out why that they're not hyperlinked

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<v Speaker 4>in the document, but there doesn't seem to be any

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<v Speaker 4>explanation like this. There's no special set of sanctions for those,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're just in alphabetical order. They actually reduced restrictions

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<v Speaker 4>on Turkmenistan because quote suspension of entry into the United

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<v Speaker 4>States of Nationals of Turkmenistan as non immigrants B one,

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<v Speaker 4>B two, FM, and JVSS is lifted because some concerns remain.

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<v Speaker 4>The entry into the United States of nationals to Turkmenistan

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<v Speaker 4>as immigrants remain suspended. The last element of this that

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<v Speaker 4>I want to cover is that it would appear to

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<v Speaker 4>stop international adoptions from the listed countries, like all of

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<v Speaker 4>those thirty nine listed countries, which is wild and like

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<v Speaker 4>particularly unfortunate because I know, like people who who adopt

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<v Speaker 4>children from outside the United States, like that is a

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 4>process that takes years, and I can imagine it being

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<v Speaker 4>horrifically traumatic.

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<v Speaker 1>To have it suddenly cut off like this. But consciously, unconsciously,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what this.

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<v Speaker 4>UH executive action appears to do, So that is not great.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems that the United States is using this as

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<v Speaker 4>a kind of cudgel right to encourage those countries to

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a quid pro quote they get what

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<v Speaker 4>they want they got from Turkmenistan apparently then that they

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<v Speaker 4>will remove some of those restrictions. Otherwise they will continue them. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not great. So Judge Hannah Dougan's trial began this week.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you can if you're not familiar. She's not the judge

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<v Speaker 4>in New Mexico who was accused of providing firearms to

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who was not a permanent resident or citizen. She

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<v Speaker 4>is a judge who is accused of allowing a migrant

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<v Speaker 4>man named mister Flores Luise to leave her court room

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<v Speaker 4>from a door that is not the usual door. That

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 4>door led to a private corridor. In that private corridor,

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<v Speaker 4>there was one exit to a public area and also

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<v Speaker 4>a door to a fire escape. Mister Flora's ruiz took

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<v Speaker 4>the exit to the public area. He then took a

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<v Speaker 4>lift down I think to the ground floor with an

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<v Speaker 4>ICE officer. He then attempted to run away when Ice

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 4>officers attempted to detain him when he left the lift,

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 4>he was caught and detained. So we learned quite a

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<v Speaker 4>lot in this and it's just been interesting to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, we see that several of the people

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<v Speaker 4>who were taking part in the apprehension were reassigned FBI agents.

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<v Speaker 4>This is increasingly common, right, like all branches of the

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 4>federal law enforcement have had some of their capacity redirected

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<v Speaker 4>to doing this, right, to doing like this. This guy

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<v Speaker 4>I believe had misdemeanors the agents for using signal to communicate.

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<v Speaker 4>They had a group chat called frozen water. Obviously Jesus Christ. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>really funny. The FBI agent conceded in crust examination that's

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<v Speaker 4>not a NAP approved by the FBI, but according to

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<v Speaker 4>one the DHS apparently does approve it, according to a

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<v Speaker 4>CBP agent who has crossed damon there, which obviously creates

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<v Speaker 4>an issue for the retention of records right because signal,

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 4>if you're not familiar, auto deletes things after a period

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<v Speaker 4>of time that users can configure. It also appears that

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<v Speaker 4>when one of these DHS agents and to the courthouse,

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<v Speaker 4>court security officers told him that he needed an escort,

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<v Speaker 4>but then he appears.

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<v Speaker 1>To have proceeded without worn. In a text of colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>as DHS employees said, quote, this is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>pain in the dick. H So that's that. Yeah, what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like is Judge Dougan sent them to the

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Judge because it didn't have a judicial warrant. It's

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<v Speaker 1>had an administrative warrant.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, another judge testified against Judge Dugan, a judge called

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<v Speaker 4>Judge Severa. So Judge Severa was with Judge Dugan when

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 4>they confronted the agents. Judge Jugan wore her judicial robes

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 4>when confronting them, which apparently is not usual. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>usual to wear them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the courtroom, and Judge Severa seemed to disapprove of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she said, quote, Judge Dugan could quote have

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<v Speaker 1>been more diplomatic, and then she said, quote judges shouldn't

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>be helping defendants evade arrest. At the same time, Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Dugan's defense lawyer asked her if she had warned her

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>sister of the ice presence, which she had, and it

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>appears to her sister had a hearing at the courthouse

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, which Judge Severa said she was not

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<v Speaker 1>aware of. So there's like a lot still to be

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<v Speaker 1>unpacked here, right, this is just the first day. This

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<v Speaker 1>could go on past Christmas and into the new year,

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and it probably will. But there's been some pretty good

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>reporting on this from a substack called all Rise Media,

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and I will keep checking in on this and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>report it on it again after the New Year.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, this is Garrison Davis reporting from Tokyo. Unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 6>was unable to attend the regular Executive Disorder Group recording

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<v Speaker 6>due to being halfway around the globe, so I'm recording

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<v Speaker 6>my section solo. This past week saw two devastating mass

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 6>shootings back to back. On Saturday afternoon, a masks sho

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<v Speaker 6>entered an economics class at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island,

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<v Speaker 6>and opened fire with a concealed handgun, killing two people

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<v Speaker 6>injuring nine others, all students. About thirty minutes after the

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<v Speaker 6>shooting started, the university police announced a suspect was in custody.

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty minutes later, they retracted that statement. Then university police

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<v Speaker 6>reported shots fired in another section of campus, which they

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<v Speaker 6>also later retracted. President Trump posted on truth Social quote,

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<v Speaker 6>I've been briefed on the shooting that took place at

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<v Speaker 6>Brown University in Rhode Island. The FBI is on the scene,

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<v Speaker 6>the suspect is in custody. God bless the victims and

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<v Speaker 6>the families of the victims. Quote. This too was untrue,

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<v Speaker 6>as the university released a statement about an hour later

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<v Speaker 6>clarifying that the shooter was not in custody and that

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<v Speaker 6>over four hundred officers were on the scene to assist

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<v Speaker 6>in the investigation. The next morning, Providence Mayor Brett Smiley

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<v Speaker 6>announced that a new person of interest was detained. The

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<v Speaker 6>Providence Police chief told NBC that they were confident that

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<v Speaker 6>the suspect was the shooter. Major news outlets later named

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 6>this individual, though later that evening this quote unquote person

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<v Speaker 6>of interest was released, with the Rhode Island Attorney General

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<v Speaker 6>saying that the evidence quote now points in a different

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<v Speaker 6>direction quote. The shooter currently remains unidentified and at large.

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<v Speaker 6>On Sunday night in Sydney, Australia, a father and son,

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<v Speaker 6>Sajid and Navid Akram, coordinated a targeted attack against Jewish

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<v Speaker 6>people attending a Hanukkah event on Bondi Beach. Fifteen people

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<v Speaker 6>were killed in the shooting. Victims include a ten year

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<v Speaker 6>old girl and a Holocaust survivor. Twenty four victims remain hospitalized.

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<v Speaker 6>A bystander named Ahmed al Ahmed, a son of Syrian refugees,

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<v Speaker 6>charged one of the gunman and wrestled his gun away.

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<v Speaker 6>Ahmed was later shot multiple times, but survived and has

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<v Speaker 6>been labeled a hero by the Australian Prime Minister. Police

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<v Speaker 6>say that a vehicle used by the gunman contained homemade

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<v Speaker 6>Islamic state flags and improvised explosive devices. The men were

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<v Speaker 6>not part of an official terror cell, though the Prime

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<v Speaker 6>Minister says that they were motivated by Islamic state extremist ideology.

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<v Speaker 6>Counter Terrorism officials believed the shooters received quote unquote military

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 6>style training in the Philippines a month before the attack.

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<v Speaker 6>On Tuesday, self styled online investigators in right wing social

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<v Speaker 6>media content Mills falsely identified the Brown University shooter as

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<v Speaker 6>an LGBTQ Palestinian studying at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies,

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<v Speaker 6>citing gate analysis based on surveillance footage of the unidentified

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 6>suspect released by police. The university removed this queer Palestinian

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 6>student's online profile file in an effort to prevent doxing,

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<v Speaker 6>though this itself was used by the online smerror campaign

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<v Speaker 6>as evidence of guilt. Brown University later published this statement

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<v Speaker 6>quote in the aftermath of the shooting, We've seen a

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<v Speaker 6>harmful doxing activity directed towards at least one member of

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<v Speaker 6>the Brown University community. It's important to make clear that

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<v Speaker 6>targeting individuals could do a revocable harm. Accusations, speculation, and

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 6>conspiracies were seeing on social media and in some news

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 6>reports are irresponsible, harmful, and in some cases dangerous for

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<v Speaker 6>the safety of individuals in our community. It is not

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 6>unusual as a safety measure to take steps to protect

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<v Speaker 6>an individual's safety when this kind of activity happens, including

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 6>in regard to their online presence. As law enforcement officials

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<v Speaker 6>stated clearly on Tuesday afternoon, if this individual's name had

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<v Speaker 6>any relevance to the current investigation, they would be actively

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<v Speaker 6>looking for this individual and providing information publicly. On a

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<v Speaker 6>final note, after the holiday break, we will be reporting

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<v Speaker 6>on the indictment against four alleged members of the Turtle

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<v Speaker 6>Island Liberation Front in California regarding a New Year's Eve

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<v Speaker 6>bombing plot.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back and we have some news that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really sad for everybody here and it could happen

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>here and just all of you listening, which is friend

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of the pod. Dan Bongino is stepping down from his

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>work as Deputy director of the FBI. I think it's

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>been a nice vacation for him, but you know, American

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>needs him in his much more important role. Whatever podcast

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>he was doing before he got brought in to the

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>deputy director of the FBI. You know, look, if he

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>was podcasting right now, they would have caught the mass

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>shooter at Brown.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I think we can all agree.

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>On that he to putcosting his way through it. Either

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>that or just him not being at the FBI would

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>have made the do their job.

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Look what we're learning from this is that you can

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 3>never escape the podcasting minds. No matter where else you

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 3>try to go, they will drag you back down.

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh look, if you make me director of the FBI,

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I promise to stop podcasting and start being the most

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>corrupt director of the FBI we've ever had.

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 3>That's a tough challenge.

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm I think, I'm I'm in a task

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>prepared to work at it.

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, yeah, that's cool.

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk a little bit about an executive

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>order that our beloved President put out very recently. Some

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of you may be aware of this, but on December eleventh,

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty I mean this year, twenty twenty five, Trump released

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>yet another executive order, this one titled Ensuring a National

0:38:54.480 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence, and basically, in this and

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Trump stated that like, the reason he's doing this is

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>because it's absolutely critical to the US's future that we

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>be at the top of the game when it comes

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to AI, that we be global leaders in this burgeoning

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>new field. He states in the EO, these efforts have

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>already delivered tremendous benefits to the American people and led

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to trillions of dollars of investments across the country. Certainly haven't,

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>but we were made in the earliest days of the

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>technological revolution and in a race with adversaries for supremacy

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>within it. Trump stated in an interview that he expects

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>AI to be fifty to sixty percent of the US

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>economy in the near future, which is nuts.

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Maybe that's just because everything else will just go to

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 4>complete shit.

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>You know. The reality is that like AI is not

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>even close to being that value in terms of like

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 1>what the economy produces, but nearly all of our growth

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>is related and like it is tied right now to

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>data center investments. So Trump absolutely needs AI because without

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it the country is very obviously in a recession. Like

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>this is the only thing propping up the image of

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the as not being in the shitter. Now, what does

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>this EO actually do well. The goal of this the

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>statement is that it is the policy of the United

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>States to sustain and enhance the United States is global

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>AI dominance through a minimally burden some national policy framework

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for AI. This EO will establish an AI Litigation Task Force.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Within thirty days of this order going out, the Attorney

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>General is supposed to establish this task force whose responsibility

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 1>is to challenge state AI laws that are inconsistent with

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the policy set forward above. Right that we need to

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>be globally dominant in AI. Right, So this task force

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to go out and find state laws that

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.760
<v Speaker 1>it believes are like an onerous burden on the development

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.879
<v Speaker 1>of this technology. Going along with this, within ninety days

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 1>of the order, the Secretary of Commerce is supposed to

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>do an evaluation of all state AI laws in order

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to point out which ones this task force should go after.

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 1>And then the stick that this EO establishes is that

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>if this task force decides that like a state AI

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>EYE law is in violation of our need to be

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 1>dominant in AI, we can restrict state funding to things

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.280
<v Speaker 1>like the broadband Equity Access and Deployment program. Right. Basically,

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>they'll cut off federal funding for like broadband access, in

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>order to punish states that try to restrict or in

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 1>any way shape or form, govern what people can use

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>what companies can use AI for. And the primary thing

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>this is all about, I know, we all think about

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that like most people have more direct experience with,

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 1>which is like all the slop flooding the Internet, the

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>disinformation that's continuing to cook the brains of a lot

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of our peers and elders, and just the fact that

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like it's making certain industries full of hardworking people a

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>lot harder to exist because companies are just trying to

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 1>replace quality work with absolute like slop trash. Yeah, but really,

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 1>what this is about, and the primary focus of most

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>of these state level laws regulating AI is the housing market.

0:41:57.960 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a good article in Politico about this, written by

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Cassandra Dumay, but she notes that per a National Conference

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>of State Legislatures analysis in July, there were more than

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>forty pending bills across the United States related to just

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>AI in the housing sector, and most of these bills

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>are attempting to stop landlords from using different AI programs

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to coordinate pricing. Basically, there are a couple of different programs,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the most prominent, which is called Real Page, And what

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.439
<v Speaker 1>they do is landlords join these programs and they share

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>information on like what their different properties cost, and then

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the AI knows what everybody is charging and can suggest

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that they charge higher prices right now. The way that

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>this is supposed to work is that you, as a landlord,

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 1>look out at what's publicly available about the prices of

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>your competitors and look at like what your customers are

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>currently willing to bear, and then try to set your

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>prices and future price increases based on that. What Real

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Page is doing is a legal collusion, right, This is

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>price fixing. It's just the AI is doing the actual

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>active price fixing. The landlords are just sharing their data

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and paying a fee to the service. And so a

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>bunch of states have tried to stop this because this

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 1>objectively makes the housing crisis worse. I know, there's some

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>annoying assholes who come out and be like, you shouldn't

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about anything but in increasing the supply of housing,

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and like that's that's idiot shit, Yes, we need to

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:29.720
<v Speaker 1>increase the supply of housing. This objectively hurts people. These

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>programs subjectively increase the price of print, they do damage.

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.280
<v Speaker 1>We should be mitigating or making it impossible for businesses

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.799
<v Speaker 1>like this to exist. Anyone who disagrees is just being

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.479
<v Speaker 1>a dummy. New York passed law in October that banned

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>the use of AI algorithms to allow landlords to do

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>price fixing. There's a similar bill in the Massachusetts legislation's

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 1>making its way forward right now. And this is fundamentally

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>what a lot of the opposition to like state level

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 1>AI regulation is about is that the landlord ward's basically uh,

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think that this is a great way to make a

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>shitload of money, and tech companies like and we can continue.

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>We got to make a shitload of money selling them

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the tools to do this, and states are trying to

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>push back on this, and like, that's fundamentally what a

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of the impetus buying this executive order is is

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>an attempt to stop people from making this even more harmful.

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>There is some like in this that political article they

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>quote from Kevin Donnelly, who's the executive director of the

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Real Estate Technology and Transformation Center, and he talks about like, well, actually,

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>we're currently using AI to identify buildable lots and promote

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>sustainable constructions so that we can actually like reduce some

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of the cost of housing. And all of these bills,

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>could you know, undermine our ability to impure people's Like yeah,

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just fucking go like literally jump off a bridge, man,

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Fuck you. Yeah, no, we know that's not how it works.

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>We have data on this, Yo, this isn't theoretical.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anytime a landlord, anytime a landlord says anything or

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>to real estate developer that says anything that suggests the

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 3>thing they want to do is lower rent they are lying.

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 3>You can tell because they don't fucking lower rents unless

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 3>like a global pandemic happens.

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that's a honey of this works. And this

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 1>has been controversial. Trump, before putting out the EO, tried

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to encourage the passage of a bill through Congress that

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>would have done the same thing as the EO right,

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 1>and would have actually had like more force of law

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>behind it, basically making it illegal for states to have

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.919
<v Speaker 1>their own laws regulating AI. That didn't pass because even

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Republicans don't really like that idea. For one thing, states'

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>rights is still supposed to be a pretty big.

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Part of the party.

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>But for another thing, there's like a lot of things

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that conservatives are really unhappy with in terms of AI.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 1>For example, it keeps exposing children to pornography and other

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>things that kids shouldn't be exposed to. For another thing,

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of American jobs that are going to

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>be lost as a result of or potentially could be

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>lost as a result of the AI slop automation of

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of industries. And so there's even a significant

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>amount of resistance among Republicans this, which is why the

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>bill didn't pass, right, and Trump when he announced this

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>EO basically sat down with like a chunk of the

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>conservatives who are more critical of this, and I think

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>basically bullied them into getting on board and saying no,

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 1>he promised us this won't restrict state levels to like

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>improve safety for children. Right, there's absolutely like no guarantee

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>of that, Like you just have David Sacks, it was

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Trump's top AI advisor saying no, no, none of this

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.800
<v Speaker 1>is about trying to stop state laws to make kids savor.

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 1>It's just trying to stop state laws that will make

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>rent less expensive. Yeah, there's Marjorie Taylor Green's come out

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>against this. She's basically said that you know this is

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>a violation of states, right, it's bullshit. Steve Bannon is

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in the same place he had a good quote I

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>found in an article by The Hill. After two humiliating

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>face plants on a must pass legis now we attempt

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 1>an entirely unenforceable EO tech bros doing upmost to turn

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>potus megabase away from him while they line their pockets,

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>which is essentially accurate. Yeah, he's wrong, wrong about that.

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So all this is like pretty annoying and fucked up.

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what actually becomes of this. I tend to

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>agree with Bannon that it's pretty much unenforceable. Like the lawsuit,

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the court battles that will come from this is just

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>going to be expensive and time consuming. But I actually

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think this is going to work the way they want.

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>This is this is Trump making it very clear that

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 1>he has bought and paid for by the tech s

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 1>end that he understands that he is hanging on by

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a thread in terms of popularity. One of the only

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 1>things stopping it from getting stopping the situation from getting

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>worse is that AI spending on data centers and ship

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>is propping up the image of the economy, Right, that's

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>what this is all about.

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this and this is something where he can

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 3>simultaneously shore shore up is tech based and shore up

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 3>his landlord base, yeah, which.

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Are like, yeah, it's great, two kinds of guys to

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like Donald Trump. Yeah, I guess there's an end here

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>where I could. I wanted to make a note about

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 1>something also related to AI, which is that there's an

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 1>incredibly stupid article in Vox that came out this week.

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>In that case, like literally the title is like, America,

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you've made it very clear that you hate AI, But

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.240
<v Speaker 1>what if it's the only way to restart the idea machine?

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this this dipshit Colonnist's argument is that like, well,

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 1>we're not running out of ideas and AI, like human

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.800
<v Speaker 1>beings can't come up with ideas enough to create growth

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:39.240
<v Speaker 1>at the level that the economy needs to be growing

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and in order to take humanity into the future, really,

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 1>AI is the only way to generate more new ideas.

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to look at, like what is this

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>based off of? And I think I figured out what

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like the fundamental source of all of this shit is,

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>which is back in twenty seventeen, there was a research

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.240
<v Speaker 1>which paper put out by the National Bureau of Economic

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Research by Nicholas Bloom, Charles Jones, John Van Reenan, and

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Michael Webb. The kind of summary of that article reads

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 1>as follows. In many growth models, economic growth arises from

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>people creating ideas, and then the long run growth rate

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>is the product of two terms, the effective number of

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 1>researchers and their research productivity. We present a wide range

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of evidence for various industries, products, and firms showing that

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:27.399
<v Speaker 1>research effort is rising substantially while research productivity is declining sharply. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, we're we have more people doing research, and

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>we're spending more money on research, but that research is

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<v Speaker 1>translating into economic gains at a lower level than ever before,

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<v Speaker 1>right to the point where we're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to continue to make economic gains like we used

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<v Speaker 1>to be unless something changes. And if you're kind of

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>paying attention to this, you might notice that that study,

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 1>which is the underpinning of that Vox article and all

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.280
<v Speaker 1>of these claims that we need AI for ideas, really

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 1>is not actually making an argument that people aren't having

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>more ideas. It's making an argument that it is harder

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>to profit from ideas than it used to be right now.

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>That is fundamentally different from people not having ideas for

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 1>one thing, it's reducing an idea to something that delivers

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>a return for venture capitalists. Yeah right, that's all an

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 1>idea is in. This is something that makes money, and

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great ideas like the post office don't

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.760
<v Speaker 1>generate a direct profit. And obviously it's a net benefit

0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to the economy that we have a post office, but

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the post office runs at a loss, right, which is

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 1>why you have state funding for certain things, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to be the kind of ideas that

0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of Silicon Valley investors want to throw

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 1>money into.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The other part of the issue here is just a

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>very practical one, which is that a lot of the ideas,

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the great ideas last century that were like most correlated

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>with massive gains and productivity, stuff like the introduction of

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>vaccines on a wide scale, indoor plumbing and electricity on

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a wide scale phones. There's not ideas like that that

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>are like that big and that much of a game

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 1>changer left, right, the low hanging fruits, it's the low

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>hanging fruit has been picked. There's not another the telephone

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 1>waiting out there. We already did that. It was the smartphone.

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.319
<v Speaker 1>There's not another indoor plumbing, right, There's not something that's

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be as much of a sea change for

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the economy and for the quality of human life as

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>those ideas, because those were really big things.

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:25.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like like maybe maybe you could put us something

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.719
<v Speaker 3>like actually cleaning the air that we breathe.

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like, but again that's not profitable in a direct way, no, right,

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 1>like you, Yeah, that's an idea that would have a

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.399
<v Speaker 1>change that big, but there's not a profit incentive for.

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<v Speaker 2>It, right.

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:44.240
<v Speaker 1>We privatize the air, rob it right, Yeah, breathing fucking air. Yeah,

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot I again, I find this, this

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 1>whole discussion pattern, Like it's an example of the fact

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that like, people like this fucking box article who I

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like deserves to be named to this, have

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>been using CHATGBT so much that they're no longer thinking.

0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>They're not really sentient in a meaning full way, right,

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Like when you write something like that, it's because your

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 1>brain has been completely fucking cooked. I did find a

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>good article, ironically, from twenty seventeen from Vox EU that

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>is titled ideas aren't running out that they are getting

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 1>more expensive to find, which is making a lot of

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the claims that like I've made, which is that, or

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that I've been bringing up so far in this which

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 1>is that it's not that there's a lack of ideas,

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that it costs more money to do stuff like that

0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 1>now like the costs because everything's so much more complex.

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Idea the big ideas we're looking at, artist simple is

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>indoor plumbing. They require a lot more computing power, they

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>require a lot more people working on them. Right, Like

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>we've plucked the low hanging fruit, and it ends with

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 1>a paragraph I find kind of valuable here, returning to

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the oil metaphor, we are digging deeper into a trickier

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>part of the rock.

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Of course, we could be.

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Wrong, and humanity may have just been shipping away to a

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.760
<v Speaker 1>particularly hard point that will soon give way, creating decades

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of cheap ideas. This is the hope of those who

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 1>emphasize the revolutionary power of artificial intelligence and the singularity

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and accumulation of technology that triggers runaway growth at some

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 1>point in the future. Although we all enjoy science fiction,

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 1>history books are usually a safer guide to the future.

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>In this case, history suggests that large increases in research

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>effort are need to offset its declining productivity. And again,

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 1>if you want to have the big ideas and the

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek future that all of these billionaires like Elon

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Musk pretend they want, what you actually have to do

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>is be willing to put a lot of money into

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 1>research and development without any promise of a profit. Your

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>motivation can't be well, now we have to get a

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 1>two hundred percent rate of return in our investments. Right,

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it has to be well, this would improve people's lives

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and make life more sustainable, right, like finding solutions to

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems with climate and cleaning the air,

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Like dealing with lack of access to clean water, lack

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 1>of access to basic basic medical care. These are not

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 1>things where doing them means that your company gets an

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>immediate profit and evaluation in the tens of billions of dollars.

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 1>That's just not the way providing life saving aid to

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>people works. But the net value to the global economy

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 1>would be massive if, for example, kids weren't going without

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.640
<v Speaker 1>food and access to clean water and had better access

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to education, and thus we're able to go into fields

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.919
<v Speaker 1>where they become researchers and generate ideas that eventually turn

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:20.600
<v Speaker 1>into profit. Right, Like, these AI fucks aren't talking about ideas,

0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 1>They're talking about cracking the human mind, right, That's what

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>they want to do. It's a good way to put it.

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I think that there's another thing we're saying

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 3>here too. On there's a different, greater argument about this

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.919
<v Speaker 3>where he makes an argument that I think is also

0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:38.879
<v Speaker 3>very compelling that part of the decline in the rate

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 3>of technological change has been the extent to which everyone

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 3>who was trying to do this stuff is just increasingly

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 3>dealing with more and more layers of bureaucracy instead of

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 3>actually doing the thing they're trying to do. And then,

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is a huge problem in academia where

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 3>it's like, okay, so you have you know, you're teaching

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.400
<v Speaker 3>in academia, but you're also spending like a quarter of

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 3>your time trying to get another job. You're spending another

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 3>quarter of your time dealing with all of the unhinged

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 3>whatever like accounting bullshit that your fucking supervisors have like

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 3>or like like university management has like put upon you.

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:12.479
<v Speaker 3>And this is and this is something that's also true

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 3>for government researchers, where there's just like this, you know,

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 3>there's been this incredible increase in sort of the amount

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.280
<v Speaker 3>of bureaucracy they have to jomp through it like largely

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.360
<v Speaker 3>because of the right and because of all of the

0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 3>like weird shit they do, where like they hate government fundings.

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.000
<v Speaker 3>They're like, ah, everyone has to like justify their funding

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 3>literally every ten seconds. And I think I think, like

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:32.440
<v Speaker 3>that's that's one of the other angles of this, and

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 3>it's something that's only gonna get worse because this administration

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 3>is just fucking annihilating the entire basis of American science.

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's killing it.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.279
<v Speaker 3>The damage that they've done to the pipeline of people

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 3>that would produce these researchers right with with ways that

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 3>a suddenly like American science post docs just there's no

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 3>money for it. There's no money for grad students. They're

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.880
<v Speaker 3>killing all of the pathways that would do this, and

0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:56.360
<v Speaker 3>then they're going, oh, the only solution is the fucking

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 3>tech boondoggle we've created to the problems that we created.

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<v Speaker 3>I just annihilating the capacity to do science.

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