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Speaker 2: What are crackers and crack ats?

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Speaker 1: Is that good? Perfect?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to ed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should just we should old. Sorry, James, So

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Speaker 1: This is it could happen.

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Speaker 4: Here Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what is happening

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Speaker 4: in the White House, the crumbling of our world, and

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Speaker 4: what this means to you. I am James Stout and

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Speaker 4: I'm joined today by Robert Evans and Mia Wong and Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Sophie is also here.

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Speaker 4: And this episode we are covering the week of December

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Speaker 4: eleventh to December seventeenth, a week before the week that

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Speaker 4: is Christmas.

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Speaker 1: That's right, baby. So I hope you've done your shopping.

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Speaker 1: Happy hony, right, yes, oh yeah, happy honekah. All the

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Speaker 1: holidays have a yeah, quasi Kwanza, have a solemn, dignified tet.

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Speaker 1: All the holidays have a good one of them.

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Speaker 5: Happy Winter Solstice, which is.

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Speaker 1: Happy Solstice more unhappy Solstice. It's kind of a bittersweet holiday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: super Saturnalia. You know, it's a good one. So holidays

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Speaker 1: are nice, but we're going to talk about some things

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Speaker 1: that are less nice today. The government, Yes, the government,

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Speaker 1: Garthamis has obtained information about ICE being able to enter

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Speaker 1: despite both of these, in theory being prohibited by sanctuary

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Speaker 4: The way Gothamis found this is by making a public

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Speaker 4: records request for incident reports, which is a clever use

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Speaker 1: For the theft of our assets and many other reasons

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand how in that instance they would

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's found a third country, right that they've they've

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Speaker 4: So like Robert read the truth something someone says in church,

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Speaker 1: Tankers should be cruising.

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Speaker 4: It's the Venezuelan State Oil Company, which in English, I

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Speaker 4: What they will do is use the names and identify

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Speaker 4: So it just happens pretty frequently with Venezuelan vessels. That

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Speaker 4: They also do things like spoof their location or turn

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Speaker 4: this is fairly common practice. But Obviously, the way to

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously one of the sort of issues we're trying

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of this that is enormously incoherent.

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Speaker 3: So Okay, the thing about designating the government of Venezuela

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Speaker 3: But all of the reporting on this has been assuming

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that that Foreign Terrorist Organization

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Speaker 3: the line from material support of terrorism charges like chef run. So, yes,

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Speaker 3: there are lots of countries like Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Does this fine with the US military carrying out air

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Speaker 1: strikes on Chevron executives and their property, Let's be clear

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Speaker 1: about that. I would I would salute the red, white,

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Speaker 1: C suite.

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Speaker 1: And it's also worth noting there's a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of how the

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Speaker 4: If that is the case. So because they don't care

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Speaker 1: I have seen Venezuelan people die in the Darian gap,

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Speaker 1: We just finished doing like a five parter on bastards

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Speaker 1: as an acknowledgment that a lot of Trump's voters are

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Speaker 1: frustrated that he keeps talking about like international issues like Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: while everything is more expensive for them and they continue

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Speaker 1: to lose their jobs and the economy is shit. To

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Speaker 1: quote from that article, and this is them quoting a

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Speaker 1: segment from that Real America's Voice podcast. The remarks came

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Speaker 1: during a segment on The water Cooler with co host

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Speaker 1: David Brody, who teas the nine pm Eastern address is

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Speaker 1: an elevated effort to regain the narrative on affordability. The

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Speaker 1: president is going to be in the Oval Office tonight

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Speaker 1: nine pm Eastern, Brody said, big address to the nation.

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Speaker 1: He's elevating this clearly, this is to regain the narrative

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Speaker 1: and explain more about the affordability issue America and what

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Speaker 1: this administration is doing. I think they're trying to seize

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Speaker 1: this right off the top and make sure it doesn't

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Speaker 1: get away from them. And the claims here is basically

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Speaker 1: like this is Trump trying to steal a night march

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Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty six election cycle and reset a

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Speaker 1: lot of what people are talking about around affordability, Like

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Speaker 1: this argument is that now he's basically acknowledging that it's

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Speaker 1: been kind of a mistake to focus so much on

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Speaker 1: his overseas policies, and he really needs to start promising

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Speaker 1: that that golden age is actually going to come for

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Speaker 1: his voters, which the numbers don't bear out right, Like

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Speaker 1: almost no jobs have been added in the US since April.

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Speaker 1: There's about seven hundred thousand more people unemployed now than

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Speaker 1: there were in November of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Like things aren't yeah.

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Speaker 1: Good, Inflation is still wild, Inflation is real bad food,

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Speaker 1: and like the material things that we need are going

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Speaker 1: up in price faster than general inflation. Like it's no good,

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Speaker 1: and people like on his own side the thought. Jessica Tarlov,

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Speaker 1: who's a Fox News host of The five Quote, tweeted

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Speaker 1: a post about how like the hiring recession just with

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Speaker 1: the golden age attached, which is like what Trump has

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Speaker 1: been saying. You know, we're going to have a new

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Speaker 1: golden age if you make me president. So like the

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Speaker 1: fact that he hasn't done he hasn't followed through any

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Speaker 1: of his promises to actually improve life for his voters

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Speaker 1: or the economy is starting to hurt. And I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that that's what it is, rather than the

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Speaker 1: Marines are about to be in Caracas, right, but I

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Speaker 1: guess we'll see very soon. Yeah, great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, talking of international stuff Trump is doing. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: about the new travel ban. So this this travel band

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Speaker 4: dropped yesterday was Tuesday. So it previously had this nineteen

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Speaker 4: country travel band. Right, some of that was a complete

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Speaker 4: bar to entry if sits into those countries or to

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Speaker 4: new these entries. Some of it was a partial bar

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Speaker 4: to immigrant visas, not to not to non immigrant visas.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: They have now expanded this to twenty more countries. So

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Speaker 4: totally banned now from getting new visas to enter the

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Speaker 4: USA a citizens of Burkina, Faso, Mahlei, Nicheere, South Sudan,

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Speaker 4: and Syria, as well as a Palestinian authority. The Syria

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Speaker 4: one is particularly wild because I'll share it justice to

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Speaker 4: the White House. There are like individual case by case exceptions.

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Speaker 1: Right. It's not that they wouldn't block al Shara, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: but like.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting to look at the justifications that they use here.

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Speaker 4: What they are basically saying, I'll just read a couple

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Speaker 4: of them here to give you an example, right quote.

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Speaker 4: At least one country lacks mechanisms in hospitals to ensure

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Speaker 4: bursts are reported, and widespread corruption, combined with a general

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Speaker 4: lack of vecking and poor record keeping, result in any

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Speaker 4: non citizen being able to obtain any civil document from

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Speaker 4: that country, particularly if that person is willing to pay

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Speaker 4: a fee or engage an individual that specializes in assisting

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Speaker 4: in such fraud. They go on to basically document failures

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Speaker 4: in government bureaucracy that they talk about corruption.

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Speaker 1: Right. They talk about places where birthy forgets are just

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Speaker 1: written by hand. They talk about places where the government

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Speaker 1: does not control all.

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Speaker 4: The territory prevalence of crime, places which offer citizenship by

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Speaker 4: investment without physical residents. They also talk about some of

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Speaker 4: these countries not being willing to accept their nationals to

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Speaker 4: the US deports and again visa overstair rates, right, which

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Speaker 4: is what they spoke about last time. What is getting

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Speaker 4: less reporting, or at least was this morning when I looked,

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Speaker 4: was that they have removed exemptions which existed for the

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Speaker 4: previous nineteen These include family member visas right, So that

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Speaker 4: means that, for instance, someone who could themselves become a

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Speaker 4: permanent resident or even a citizen, now cannot bring a

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Speaker 4: family member, say a spouse, a sibling, etc. Across, even

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Speaker 4: though those people were people sly vetted. And it appears

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Speaker 4: some there is certain categories of SIVA exempt, but I

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Speaker 4: believe not all SIVs, so that's especially immigrant visa right.

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Speaker 4: The vast bulk of SIVs will be Afghan people who

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Speaker 4: worked with the US military in Afghanistan. The nineteen countries

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Speaker 4: who are now partially restricted are I'm just going to

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Speaker 4: read them of Angola, Antigram, Barbuda, Benin, Kuttivois, Dominica, Gabon,

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Speaker 4: the Gambia, Malawi, Mauritanian, Nigeria, senegauld Tanzania, Tonga, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

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Speaker 4: For some reason, the first five of these are underlined

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Speaker 4: on the White House website. I don't know if some

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Speaker 4: were copied and pisted them across with hyperlinks like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm unable to work out why that they're not hyperlinked

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Speaker 4: in the document, but there doesn't seem to be any

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Speaker 4: explanation like this. There's no special set of sanctions for those,

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Speaker 4: and they're just in alphabetical order. They actually reduced restrictions

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Speaker 4: on Turkmenistan because quote suspension of entry into the United

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Speaker 4: States of Nationals of Turkmenistan as non immigrants B one,

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Speaker 4: B two, FM, and JVSS is lifted because some concerns remain.

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Speaker 4: The entry into the United States of nationals to Turkmenistan

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Speaker 4: as immigrants remain suspended. The last element of this that

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Speaker 4: I want to cover is that it would appear to

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Speaker 4: stop international adoptions from the listed countries, like all of

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Speaker 4: those thirty nine listed countries, which is wild and like

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Speaker 4: particularly unfortunate because I know, like people who who adopt

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Speaker 4: children from outside the United States, like that is a

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Speaker 4: process that takes years, and I can imagine it being

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Speaker 4: horrifically traumatic.

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Speaker 1: To have it suddenly cut off like this. But consciously, unconsciously,

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Speaker 1: that is what this.

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Speaker 4: UH executive action appears to do, So that is not great.

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Speaker 4: It seems that the United States is using this as

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Speaker 4: a kind of cudgel right to encourage those countries to

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Speaker 4: It's kind of a quid pro quote they get what

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Speaker 4: they want they got from Turkmenistan apparently then that they

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Speaker 4: will remove some of those restrictions. Otherwise they will continue them. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's not great. So Judge Hannah Dougan's trial began this week.

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Speaker 4: Do you can if you're not familiar. She's not the judge

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Speaker 4: in New Mexico who was accused of providing firearms to

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Speaker 4: somebody who was not a permanent resident or citizen. She

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Speaker 4: is a judge who is accused of allowing a migrant

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Speaker 4: man named mister Flores Luise to leave her court room

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Speaker 4: from a door that is not the usual door. That

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Speaker 4: door led to a private corridor. In that private corridor,

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Speaker 4: there was one exit to a public area and also

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Speaker 4: a door to a fire escape. Mister Flora's ruiz took

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Speaker 4: the exit to the public area. He then took a

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Speaker 4: lift down I think to the ground floor with an

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Speaker 4: ICE officer. He then attempted to run away when Ice

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Speaker 4: officers attempted to detain him when he left the lift,

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Speaker 4: he was caught and detained. So we learned quite a

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Speaker 4: lot in this and it's just been interesting to follow.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: First of all, we see that several of the people

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Speaker 4: who were taking part in the apprehension were reassigned FBI agents.

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Speaker 4: This is increasingly common, right, like all branches of the

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Speaker 4: federal law enforcement have had some of their capacity redirected

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Speaker 4: to doing this, right, to doing like this. This guy

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Speaker 4: I believe had misdemeanors the agents for using signal to communicate.

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Speaker 4: They had a group chat called frozen water. Obviously Jesus Christ. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: really funny. The FBI agent conceded in crust examination that's

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Speaker 4: not a NAP approved by the FBI, but according to

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Speaker 4: one the DHS apparently does approve it, according to a

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Speaker 4: CBP agent who has crossed damon there, which obviously creates

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Speaker 4: an issue for the retention of records right because signal,

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Speaker 4: if you're not familiar, auto deletes things after a period

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Speaker 4: of time that users can configure. It also appears that

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Speaker 4: when one of these DHS agents and to the courthouse,

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Speaker 4: court security officers told him that he needed an escort,

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Speaker 4: but then he appears.

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Speaker 1: To have proceeded without worn. In a text of colleagues,

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Speaker 1: as DHS employees said, quote, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: pain in the dick. H So that's that. Yeah, what happens,

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Speaker 1: it seems like is Judge Dougan sent them to the

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Speaker 1: Chief Judge because it didn't have a judicial warrant. It's

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Speaker 1: had an administrative warrant.

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Speaker 4: Right, another judge testified against Judge Dugan, a judge called

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Speaker 4: Judge Severa. So Judge Severa was with Judge Dugan when

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Speaker 4: they confronted the agents. Judge Jugan wore her judicial robes

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Speaker 4: when confronting them, which apparently is not usual. It's not

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Speaker 4: usual to wear them out.

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Speaker 1: Of the courtroom, and Judge Severa seemed to disapprove of that,

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Speaker 1: and then she said, quote, Judge Dugan could quote have

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Speaker 1: been more diplomatic, and then she said, quote judges shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be helping defendants evade arrest. At the same time, Judge

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Speaker 1: Dugan's defense lawyer asked her if she had warned her

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Speaker 1: sister of the ice presence, which she had, and it

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Speaker 1: appears to her sister had a hearing at the courthouse

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Speaker 1: the next day, which Judge Severa said she was not

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Speaker 1: aware of. So there's like a lot still to be

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Speaker 1: unpacked here, right, this is just the first day. This

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Speaker 1: could go on past Christmas and into the new year,

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Speaker 1: and it probably will. But there's been some pretty good

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Speaker 1: reporting on this from a substack called all Rise Media,

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Speaker 1: and I will keep checking in on this and we'll

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Speaker 1: report it on it again after the New Year.

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Speaker 6: Hello, this is Garrison Davis reporting from Tokyo. Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 6: was unable to attend the regular Executive Disorder Group recording

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Speaker 6: due to being halfway around the globe, so I'm recording

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Speaker 6: my section solo. This past week saw two devastating mass

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Speaker 6: shootings back to back. On Saturday afternoon, a masks sho

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Speaker 6: entered an economics class at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island,

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Speaker 6: and opened fire with a concealed handgun, killing two people

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Speaker 6: injuring nine others, all students. About thirty minutes after the

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Speaker 6: shooting started, the university police announced a suspect was in custody.

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Speaker 6: Twenty minutes later, they retracted that statement. Then university police

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Speaker 6: reported shots fired in another section of campus, which they

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Speaker 6: also later retracted. President Trump posted on truth Social quote,

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Speaker 6: I've been briefed on the shooting that took place at

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Speaker 6: Brown University in Rhode Island. The FBI is on the scene,

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Speaker 6: the suspect is in custody. God bless the victims and

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Speaker 6: the families of the victims. Quote. This too was untrue,

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Speaker 6: as the university released a statement about an hour later

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Speaker 6: clarifying that the shooter was not in custody and that

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Speaker 6: over four hundred officers were on the scene to assist

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Speaker 6: in the investigation. The next morning, Providence Mayor Brett Smiley

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Speaker 6: announced that a new person of interest was detained. The

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Speaker 6: Providence Police chief told NBC that they were confident that

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Speaker 6: the suspect was the shooter. Major news outlets later named

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Speaker 6: this individual, though later that evening this quote unquote person

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Speaker 6: of interest was released, with the Rhode Island Attorney General

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Speaker 6: saying that the evidence quote now points in a different

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Speaker 6: direction quote. The shooter currently remains unidentified and at large.

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Speaker 6: On Sunday night in Sydney, Australia, a father and son,

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Speaker 6: Sajid and Navid Akram, coordinated a targeted attack against Jewish

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Speaker 6: people attending a Hanukkah event on Bondi Beach. Fifteen people

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Speaker 6: were killed in the shooting. Victims include a ten year

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Speaker 6: old girl and a Holocaust survivor. Twenty four victims remain hospitalized.

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Speaker 6: A bystander named Ahmed al Ahmed, a son of Syrian refugees,

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Speaker 6: charged one of the gunman and wrestled his gun away.

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Speaker 6: Ahmed was later shot multiple times, but survived and has

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Speaker 6: been labeled a hero by the Australian Prime Minister. Police

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Speaker 6: say that a vehicle used by the gunman contained homemade

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Speaker 6: Islamic state flags and improvised explosive devices. The men were

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Speaker 6: not part of an official terror cell, though the Prime

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Speaker 6: Minister says that they were motivated by Islamic state extremist ideology.

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Speaker 6: Counter Terrorism officials believed the shooters received quote unquote military

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Speaker 6: style training in the Philippines a month before the attack.

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Speaker 6: On Tuesday, self styled online investigators in right wing social

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Speaker 6: media content Mills falsely identified the Brown University shooter as

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Speaker 6: an LGBTQ Palestinian studying at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies,

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Speaker 6: citing gate analysis based on surveillance footage of the unidentified

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Speaker 6: suspect released by police. The university removed this queer Palestinian

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Speaker 6: student's online profile file in an effort to prevent doxing,

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Speaker 6: though this itself was used by the online smerror campaign

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Speaker 6: as evidence of guilt. Brown University later published this statement

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Speaker 6: quote in the aftermath of the shooting, We've seen a

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Speaker 6: harmful doxing activity directed towards at least one member of

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Speaker 6: the Brown University community. It's important to make clear that

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Speaker 6: targeting individuals could do a revocable harm. Accusations, speculation, and

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Speaker 6: conspiracies were seeing on social media and in some news

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Speaker 6: reports are irresponsible, harmful, and in some cases dangerous for

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Speaker 6: the safety of individuals in our community. It is not

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Speaker 6: unusual as a safety measure to take steps to protect

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Speaker 6: an individual's safety when this kind of activity happens, including

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Speaker 6: in regard to their online presence. As law enforcement officials

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Speaker 6: stated clearly on Tuesday afternoon, if this individual's name had

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Speaker 6: any relevance to the current investigation, they would be actively

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Speaker 6: looking for this individual and providing information publicly. On a

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Speaker 6: final note, after the holiday break, we will be reporting

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Speaker 6: on the indictment against four alleged members of the Turtle

686
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Speaker 6: Island Liberation Front in California regarding a New Year's Eve

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Speaker 6: bombing plot.

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Speaker 1: We're back and we have some news that's going to

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Speaker 1: be really sad for everybody here and it could happen

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Speaker 1: here and just all of you listening, which is friend

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Speaker 1: of the pod. Dan Bongino is stepping down from his

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Speaker 1: work as Deputy director of the FBI. I think it's

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Speaker 1: been a nice vacation for him, but you know, American

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Speaker 1: needs him in his much more important role. Whatever podcast

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Speaker 1: he was doing before he got brought in to the

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Speaker 1: deputy director of the FBI. You know, look, if he

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Speaker 1: was podcasting right now, they would have caught the mass

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Speaker 1: shooter at Brown.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree.

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Speaker 1: On that he to putcosting his way through it. Either

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Speaker 1: that or just him not being at the FBI would

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Speaker 1: have made the do their job.

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Speaker 3: Look what we're learning from this is that you can

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Speaker 3: never escape the podcasting minds. No matter where else you

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Speaker 3: try to go, they will drag you back down.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, if you make me director of the FBI,

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Speaker 1: I promise to stop podcasting and start being the most

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Speaker 1: corrupt director of the FBI we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough challenge.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm I think, I'm I'm in a task

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Speaker 1: prepared to work at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about an executive

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Speaker 1: order that our beloved President put out very recently. Some

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Speaker 1: of you may be aware of this, but on December eleventh,

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Speaker 1: twenty I mean this year, twenty twenty five, Trump released

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Speaker 1: yet another executive order, this one titled Ensuring a National

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Speaker 1: Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence, and basically, in this and

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Speaker 1: Trump stated that like, the reason he's doing this is

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Speaker 1: because it's absolutely critical to the US's future that we

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Speaker 1: be at the top of the game when it comes

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Speaker 1: to AI, that we be global leaders in this burgeoning

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Speaker 1: new field. He states in the EO, these efforts have

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Speaker 1: already delivered tremendous benefits to the American people and led

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Speaker 1: to trillions of dollars of investments across the country. Certainly haven't,

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Speaker 1: but we were made in the earliest days of the

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Speaker 1: technological revolution and in a race with adversaries for supremacy

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Speaker 1: within it. Trump stated in an interview that he expects

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Speaker 1: AI to be fifty to sixty percent of the US

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Speaker 1: economy in the near future, which is nuts.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's just because everything else will just go to

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Speaker 4: complete shit.

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Speaker 1: You know. The reality is that like AI is not

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Speaker 1: even close to being that value in terms of like

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Speaker 1: what the economy produces, but nearly all of our growth

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Speaker 1: is related and like it is tied right now to

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Speaker 1: data center investments. So Trump absolutely needs AI because without

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Speaker 1: it the country is very obviously in a recession. Like

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Speaker 1: this is the only thing propping up the image of

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Speaker 1: the as not being in the shitter. Now, what does

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Speaker 1: this EO actually do well. The goal of this the

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Speaker 1: statement is that it is the policy of the United

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Speaker 1: States to sustain and enhance the United States is global

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Speaker 1: AI dominance through a minimally burden some national policy framework

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Speaker 1: for AI. This EO will establish an AI Litigation Task Force.

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Speaker 1: Within thirty days of this order going out, the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General is supposed to establish this task force whose responsibility

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Speaker 1: is to challenge state AI laws that are inconsistent with

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Speaker 1: the policy set forward above. Right that we need to

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Speaker 1: be globally dominant in AI. Right, So this task force

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Speaker 1: is supposed to go out and find state laws that

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Speaker 1: it believes are like an onerous burden on the development

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Speaker 1: of this technology. Going along with this, within ninety days

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Speaker 1: of the order, the Secretary of Commerce is supposed to

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Speaker 1: do an evaluation of all state AI laws in order

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Speaker 1: to point out which ones this task force should go after.

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Speaker 1: And then the stick that this EO establishes is that

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Speaker 1: if this task force decides that like a state AI

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Speaker 1: EYE law is in violation of our need to be

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Speaker 1: dominant in AI, we can restrict state funding to things

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Speaker 1: like the broadband Equity Access and Deployment program. Right. Basically,

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Speaker 1: they'll cut off federal funding for like broadband access, in

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Speaker 1: order to punish states that try to restrict or in

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Speaker 1: any way shape or form, govern what people can use

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Speaker 1: what companies can use AI for. And the primary thing

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Speaker 1: this is all about, I know, we all think about

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Speaker 1: the stuff that like most people have more direct experience with,

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Speaker 1: which is like all the slop flooding the Internet, the

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Speaker 1: disinformation that's continuing to cook the brains of a lot

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Speaker 1: of our peers and elders, and just the fact that

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Speaker 1: like it's making certain industries full of hardworking people a

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Speaker 1: lot harder to exist because companies are just trying to

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Speaker 1: replace quality work with absolute like slop trash. Yeah, but really,

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Speaker 1: what this is about, and the primary focus of most

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Speaker 1: of these state level laws regulating AI is the housing market.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: There's a good article in Politico about this, written by

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Speaker 1: Cassandra Dumay, but she notes that per a National Conference

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Speaker 1: of State Legislatures analysis in July, there were more than

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Speaker 1: forty pending bills across the United States related to just

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Speaker 1: AI in the housing sector, and most of these bills

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Speaker 1: are attempting to stop landlords from using different AI programs

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Speaker 1: to coordinate pricing. Basically, there are a couple of different programs,

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Speaker 1: the most prominent, which is called Real Page, And what

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Speaker 1: they do is landlords join these programs and they share

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Speaker 1: information on like what their different properties cost, and then

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Speaker 1: the AI knows what everybody is charging and can suggest

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Speaker 1: that they charge higher prices right now. The way that

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Speaker 1: this is supposed to work is that you, as a landlord,

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Speaker 1: look out at what's publicly available about the prices of

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Speaker 1: your competitors and look at like what your customers are

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Speaker 1: currently willing to bear, and then try to set your

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Speaker 1: prices and future price increases based on that. What Real

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Speaker 1: Page is doing is a legal collusion, right, This is

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Speaker 1: price fixing. It's just the AI is doing the actual

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Speaker 1: active price fixing. The landlords are just sharing their data

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Speaker 1: and paying a fee to the service. And so a

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Speaker 1: bunch of states have tried to stop this because this

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Speaker 1: objectively makes the housing crisis worse. I know, there's some

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Speaker 1: annoying assholes who come out and be like, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: talk about anything but in increasing the supply of housing,

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Speaker 1: and like that's that's idiot shit, Yes, we need to

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Speaker 1: increase the supply of housing. This objectively hurts people. These

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Speaker 1: programs subjectively increase the price of print, they do damage.

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Speaker 1: We should be mitigating or making it impossible for businesses

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Speaker 1: like this to exist. Anyone who disagrees is just being

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Speaker 1: a dummy. New York passed law in October that banned

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Speaker 1: the use of AI algorithms to allow landlords to do

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Speaker 1: price fixing. There's a similar bill in the Massachusetts legislation's

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Speaker 1: making its way forward right now. And this is fundamentally

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Speaker 1: what a lot of the opposition to like state level

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Speaker 1: AI regulation is about is that the landlord ward's basically uh,

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Speaker 1: think that this is a great way to make a

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Speaker 1: shitload of money, and tech companies like and we can continue.

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Speaker 1: We got to make a shitload of money selling them

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Speaker 1: the tools to do this, and states are trying to

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Speaker 1: push back on this, and like, that's fundamentally what a

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Speaker 1: lot of the impetus buying this executive order is is

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Speaker 1: an attempt to stop people from making this even more harmful.

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Speaker 1: There is some like in this that political article they

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Speaker 1: quote from Kevin Donnelly, who's the executive director of the

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Speaker 1: Real Estate Technology and Transformation Center, and he talks about like, well, actually,

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Speaker 1: we're currently using AI to identify buildable lots and promote

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Speaker 1: sustainable constructions so that we can actually like reduce some

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Speaker 1: of the cost of housing. And all of these bills,

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Speaker 1: could you know, undermine our ability to impure people's Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just fucking go like literally jump off a bridge, man,

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Speaker 1: Fuck you. Yeah, no, we know that's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: We have data on this, Yo, this isn't theoretical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime a landlord, anytime a landlord says anything or

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Speaker 3: to real estate developer that says anything that suggests the

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Speaker 3: thing they want to do is lower rent they are lying.

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Speaker 3: You can tell because they don't fucking lower rents unless

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Speaker 3: like a global pandemic happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a honey of this works. And this

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Speaker 1: has been controversial. Trump, before putting out the EO, tried

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Speaker 1: to encourage the passage of a bill through Congress that

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Speaker 1: would have done the same thing as the EO right,

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Speaker 1: and would have actually had like more force of law

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Speaker 1: behind it, basically making it illegal for states to have

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Speaker 1: their own laws regulating AI. That didn't pass because even

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Speaker 1: Republicans don't really like that idea. For one thing, states'

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Speaker 1: rights is still supposed to be a pretty big.

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Speaker 2: Part of the party.

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Speaker 1: But for another thing, there's like a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that conservatives are really unhappy with in terms of AI.

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Speaker 1: For example, it keeps exposing children to pornography and other

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Speaker 1: things that kids shouldn't be exposed to. For another thing,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of American jobs that are going to

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Speaker 1: be lost as a result of or potentially could be

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Speaker 1: lost as a result of the AI slop automation of

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Speaker 1: a bunch of industries. And so there's even a significant

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Speaker 1: amount of resistance among Republicans this, which is why the

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Speaker 1: bill didn't pass, right, and Trump when he announced this

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Speaker 1: EO basically sat down with like a chunk of the

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Speaker 1: conservatives who are more critical of this, and I think

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Speaker 1: basically bullied them into getting on board and saying no,

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Speaker 1: he promised us this won't restrict state levels to like

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Speaker 1: improve safety for children. Right, there's absolutely like no guarantee

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Speaker 1: of that, Like you just have David Sacks, it was

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Speaker 1: Trump's top AI advisor saying no, no, none of this

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Speaker 1: is about trying to stop state laws to make kids savor.

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Speaker 1: It's just trying to stop state laws that will make

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Speaker 1: rent less expensive. Yeah, there's Marjorie Taylor Green's come out

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Speaker 1: against this. She's basically said that you know this is

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Speaker 1: a violation of states, right, it's bullshit. Steve Bannon is

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Speaker 1: in the same place he had a good quote I

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Speaker 1: found in an article by The Hill. After two humiliating

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Speaker 1: face plants on a must pass legis now we attempt

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Speaker 1: an entirely unenforceable EO tech bros doing upmost to turn

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Speaker 1: potus megabase away from him while they line their pockets,

873
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: which is essentially accurate. Yeah, he's wrong, wrong about that.

874
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: So all this is like pretty annoying and fucked up.

875
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: We'll see what actually becomes of this. I tend to

876
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: agree with Bannon that it's pretty much unenforceable. Like the lawsuit,

877
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: the court battles that will come from this is just

878
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: going to be expensive and time consuming. But I actually

879
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: don't think this is going to work the way they want.

880
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: This is this is Trump making it very clear that

881
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: he has bought and paid for by the tech s

882
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: end that he understands that he is hanging on by

883
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: a thread in terms of popularity. One of the only

884
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: things stopping it from getting stopping the situation from getting

885
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: worse is that AI spending on data centers and ship

886
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: is propping up the image of the economy, Right, that's

887
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: what this is all about.

888
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this and this is something where he can

889
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: simultaneously shore shore up is tech based and shore up

890
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: his landlord base, yeah, which.

891
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: Are like, yeah, it's great, two kinds of guys to

892
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. Yeah, I guess there's an end here

893
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: where I could. I wanted to make a note about

894
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: something also related to AI, which is that there's an

895
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: incredibly stupid article in Vox that came out this week.

896
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: In that case, like literally the title is like, America,

897
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: you've made it very clear that you hate AI, But

898
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: what if it's the only way to restart the idea machine?

899
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: Right?

900
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this this dipshit Colonnist's argument is that like, well,

901
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: we're not running out of ideas and AI, like human

902
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: beings can't come up with ideas enough to create growth

903
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: at the level that the economy needs to be growing

904
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: and in order to take humanity into the future, really,

905
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Speaker 1: AI is the only way to generate more new ideas.

906
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: And I wanted to look at, like what is this

907
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: based off of? And I think I figured out what

908
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: like the fundamental source of all of this shit is,

909
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: which is back in twenty seventeen, there was a research

910
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: which paper put out by the National Bureau of Economic

911
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: Research by Nicholas Bloom, Charles Jones, John Van Reenan, and

912
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: Michael Webb. The kind of summary of that article reads

913
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: as follows. In many growth models, economic growth arises from

914
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: people creating ideas, and then the long run growth rate

915
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: is the product of two terms, the effective number of

916
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: researchers and their research productivity. We present a wide range

917
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: of evidence for various industries, products, and firms showing that

918
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: research effort is rising substantially while research productivity is declining sharply. Right,

919
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: So basically, we're we have more people doing research, and

920
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: we're spending more money on research, but that research is

921
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: translating into economic gains at a lower level than ever before,

922
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: right to the point where we're not going to be

923
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: able to continue to make economic gains like we used

924
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: to be unless something changes. And if you're kind of

925
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: paying attention to this, you might notice that that study,

926
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: which is the underpinning of that Vox article and all

927
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: of these claims that we need AI for ideas, really

928
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: is not actually making an argument that people aren't having

929
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: more ideas. It's making an argument that it is harder

930
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: to profit from ideas than it used to be right now.

931
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Speaker 1: That is fundamentally different from people not having ideas for

932
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Speaker 1: one thing, it's reducing an idea to something that delivers

933
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: a return for venture capitalists. Yeah right, that's all an

934
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: idea is in. This is something that makes money, and

935
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot of great ideas like the post office don't

936
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Speaker 1: generate a direct profit. And obviously it's a net benefit

937
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: to the economy that we have a post office, but

938
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: the post office runs at a loss, right, which is

939
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: why you have state funding for certain things, because they're

940
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: just not going to be the kind of ideas that

941
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Speaker 1: like a bunch of Silicon Valley investors want to throw

942
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: money into.

943
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Speaker 2: Right now.

944
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Speaker 1: The other part of the issue here is just a

945
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: very practical one, which is that a lot of the ideas,

946
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: the great ideas last century that were like most correlated

947
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: with massive gains and productivity, stuff like the introduction of

948
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: vaccines on a wide scale, indoor plumbing and electricity on

949
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: a wide scale phones. There's not ideas like that that

950
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: are like that big and that much of a game

951
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: changer left, right, the low hanging fruits, it's the low

952
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: hanging fruit has been picked. There's not another the telephone

953
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: waiting out there. We already did that. It was the smartphone.

954
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: There's not another indoor plumbing, right, There's not something that's

955
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: going to be as much of a sea change for

956
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: the economy and for the quality of human life as

957
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: those ideas, because those were really big things.

958
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like maybe maybe you could put us something

959
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: like actually cleaning the air that we breathe.

960
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: Yes, like, but again that's not profitable in a direct way, no, right,

961
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: like you, Yeah, that's an idea that would have a

962
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: change that big, but there's not a profit incentive for.

963
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: It, right.

964
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: We privatize the air, rob it right, Yeah, breathing fucking air. Yeah,

965
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: and there's a lot I again, I find this, this

966
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: whole discussion pattern, Like it's an example of the fact

967
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: that like, people like this fucking box article who I

968
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: don't feel like deserves to be named to this, have

969
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: been using CHATGBT so much that they're no longer thinking.

970
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: They're not really sentient in a meaning full way, right,

971
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: Like when you write something like that, it's because your

972
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: brain has been completely fucking cooked. I did find a

973
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: good article, ironically, from twenty seventeen from Vox EU that

974
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: is titled ideas aren't running out that they are getting

975
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: more expensive to find, which is making a lot of

976
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: the claims that like I've made, which is that, or

977
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: that I've been bringing up so far in this which

978
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Speaker 1: is that it's not that there's a lack of ideas,

979
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: that it costs more money to do stuff like that

980
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: now like the costs because everything's so much more complex.

981
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Idea the big ideas we're looking at, artist simple is

982
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: indoor plumbing. They require a lot more computing power, they

983
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: require a lot more people working on them. Right, Like

984
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: we've plucked the low hanging fruit, and it ends with

985
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: a paragraph I find kind of valuable here, returning to

986
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: the oil metaphor, we are digging deeper into a trickier

987
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: part of the rock.

988
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Of course, we could be.

989
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: Wrong, and humanity may have just been shipping away to a

990
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: particularly hard point that will soon give way, creating decades

991
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: of cheap ideas. This is the hope of those who

992
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: emphasize the revolutionary power of artificial intelligence and the singularity

993
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: and accumulation of technology that triggers runaway growth at some

994
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: point in the future. Although we all enjoy science fiction,

995
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: history books are usually a safer guide to the future.

996
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: In this case, history suggests that large increases in research

997
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: effort are need to offset its declining productivity. And again,

998
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: if you want to have the big ideas and the

999
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: Star Trek future that all of these billionaires like Elon

1000
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: Musk pretend they want, what you actually have to do

1001
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: is be willing to put a lot of money into

1002
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: research and development without any promise of a profit. Your

1003
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: motivation can't be well, now we have to get a

1004
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: two hundred percent rate of return in our investments. Right,

1005
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: it has to be well, this would improve people's lives

1006
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: and make life more sustainable, right, like finding solutions to

1007
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with climate and cleaning the air,

1008
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Like dealing with lack of access to clean water, lack

1009
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: of access to basic basic medical care. These are not

1010
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: things where doing them means that your company gets an

1011
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: immediate profit and evaluation in the tens of billions of dollars.

1012
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: Right.

1013
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: That's just not the way providing life saving aid to

1014
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: people works. But the net value to the global economy

1015
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: would be massive if, for example, kids weren't going without

1016
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: food and access to clean water and had better access

1017
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: to education, and thus we're able to go into fields

1018
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: where they become researchers and generate ideas that eventually turn

1019
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: into profit. Right, Like, these AI fucks aren't talking about ideas,

1020
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: They're talking about cracking the human mind, right, That's what

1021
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: they want to do. It's a good way to put it.

1022
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that there's another thing we're saying

1023
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: here too. On there's a different, greater argument about this

1024
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 3: where he makes an argument that I think is also

1025
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 3: very compelling that part of the decline in the rate

1026
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 3: of technological change has been the extent to which everyone

1027
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: who was trying to do this stuff is just increasingly

1028
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: dealing with more and more layers of bureaucracy instead of

1029
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: actually doing the thing they're trying to do. And then,

1030
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, this is a huge problem in academia where

1031
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, so you have you know, you're teaching

1032
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: in academia, but you're also spending like a quarter of

1033
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: your time trying to get another job. You're spending another

1034
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: quarter of your time dealing with all of the unhinged

1035
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: whatever like accounting bullshit that your fucking supervisors have like

1036
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: or like like university management has like put upon you.

1037
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 3: And this is and this is something that's also true

1038
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: for government researchers, where there's just like this, you know,

1039
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: there's been this incredible increase in sort of the amount

1040
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: of bureaucracy they have to jomp through it like largely

1041
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 3: because of the right and because of all of the

1042
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: like weird shit they do, where like they hate government fundings.

1043
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: They're like, ah, everyone has to like justify their funding

1044
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: literally every ten seconds. And I think I think, like

1045
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the other angles of this, and

1046
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: it's something that's only gonna get worse because this administration

1047
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: is just fucking annihilating the entire basis of American science.

1048
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's killing it.

1049
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: The damage that they've done to the pipeline of people

1050
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: that would produce these researchers right with with ways that

1051
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: a suddenly like American science post docs just there's no

1052
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: money for it. There's no money for grad students. They're

1053
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: killing all of the pathways that would do this, and

1054
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: then they're going, oh, the only solution is the fucking

1055
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: tech boondoggle we've created to the problems that we created.

1056
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: I just annihilating the capacity to do science.

1057
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It sucks.

1058
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