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Speaker 1: back to trying to count all these draft picks. Just

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Speaker 1: it's challenging. There's so many moves. But no, so, like

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Speaker 1: you know, they end up they end up taking a

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Speaker 1: look at him. He had an up and down training

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Speaker 1: camp and they decide, Okay, we liked the other guys

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Speaker 1: that we have here a little bit more. They and

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Speaker 1: they get back what they put in. So yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Shawn Wade trade has been debated, I mean, for some reason,

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Speaker 1: for someone their reason. Fans were just particularly feisty about

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Speaker 1: that and just like ticked off. I don't really get it,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean I I get it from

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Speaker 1: the perspective of, like we were all raving about how

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Speaker 1: this guy was as a potential steal the keyword there's

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Speaker 1: potential steel, right, and and I think the Ravens saw

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Speaker 1: all like it was basically like, all right, this guy

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Speaker 1: had kind of a tougher final season in college. Let's

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Speaker 1: bring him in and see if he can get back

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Speaker 1: to that previous form of the previous year when he

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Speaker 1: was like really really good, one of the top corners.

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Speaker 1: They brought him in and clearly they didn't think he

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Speaker 1: was good enough, you know, to say, oh yeah, we

448
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Speaker 1: gotta steal here, clearly, or they weren't to trade to him, right.

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Speaker 1: So so I think I think fans should give a

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Speaker 1: little credit to the people or put a little more

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Speaker 1: trust and faith in the people that are watching practice

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Speaker 1: every day than the people who said who haven't watched practice,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, this guy's a steel. We saw

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Speaker 1: him on the Sean Wade on the field a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I and I get also that fans saw will

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Speaker 1: make that interception in the preseason game so that also affects. Right,

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Speaker 1: it was a good play, It was a great play.

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Speaker 1: I would say that was on the rarer side. Um so,

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Speaker 1: so anyway, and then Ben Bedicon another great move by

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Speaker 1: Eric just here was a he was a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 1: So essentially you're gonna recoup that fourth round pick for

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Speaker 1: a guy who wasn't gonna make the team. I think

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Speaker 1: he got beat out by Tristan Cologne. Essentially they felt

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Speaker 1: like Cologne as a backup center was better than Ben

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Speaker 1: Brettison as a backup guard. Um and when they have

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Speaker 1: Patrick McCarry, so, um, you recoup that pick. And let's

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Speaker 1: end is the Giant's fourth round pick, which is I

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Speaker 1: have a hunch gonna be higher than the Ravens fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick. So it could be a high fourth rounder,

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Speaker 1: which would be which would be pretty great. So let's

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Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be right back to wrap

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Speaker 1: two other things that I do want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and you started to touch on it is Ben Mason. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens ended up releasing him, which was

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. I think we we all expect that

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Speaker 1: there just wasn't a spot for him on the fifty

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Speaker 1: three man roster. But certainly, I think the expectation from

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Speaker 1: the Ravens perspective, from fans perspective, everybody was that Ben

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Speaker 1: Mason would be resigned to the practice squad as long

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Speaker 1: as he cleared waivers, right which he did. Nobody claimed them,

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Speaker 1: which wasn't a surprise to me. I thought nobody's gonna

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Speaker 1: put him on their initial fifty three man roster if

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Speaker 1: they haven't decided to hear the full whack is at

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Speaker 1: this point, they're not going to bring one in in September.

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Speaker 1: On September one, right, um, but don't don't. Ben Mason

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Speaker 1: decided to go to the Patriots practice squad instead of

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Speaker 1: the Ravens practice squad. From what I've read out coming

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Speaker 1: out of New England, it looks like he could get

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Speaker 1: a early call up there. That was the tweet from

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Speaker 1: Ian rapid for it with an early elevation. That's the

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Speaker 1: that's the old Bill Belichick bamboozler there right there. Yeah yeah, Ben, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll call you up soon, buddy, Yeah, we got you.

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Speaker 1: We got you a week fourteen. Ben masonally gonna be

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Speaker 1: looking at that watch, hey, Bill. Um So anyway, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that the Ravens are not thrilled about this

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Speaker 1: because I think that everybody, everybody involved here right like,

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Speaker 1: he was a little bit of a surprise fifth round pick.

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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens, you know, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who said, well, they probably could have gotten later,

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Speaker 1: but the Ravens liked them. You know, he was jack

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Speaker 1: hardball guy. He was like a favorite guy. They just

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Speaker 1: liked them and they and they and they showed their

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Speaker 1: faith in him. I think by drafting him there, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: and getting all that that comes with being a draft

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Speaker 1: pick and a fifth round pick, with the expectation, I

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Speaker 1: think that basically you're gonna wait in the wings for

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Speaker 1: a year, uh, you know, or whatever, barring injury. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna wait for in the wings for a year

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Speaker 1: because pat Ricard, you know, he's a pro bowler. Obviously

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Speaker 1: not replaced him, but his contract is up after this season,

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Speaker 1: and then when we evaluate it, maybe they want to

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Speaker 1: sign pat Ricard back to a long term deal, you know,

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Speaker 1: and keep him around at at whatever that's gonna cost,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think it's going to be cheap. Or

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Speaker 1: maybe they turn the page and go to Ben Mason

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Speaker 1: and let pat Ricard signed this big deal elsewhere. Um,

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Speaker 1: but now now you're like, well we're back to score one.

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Speaker 1: Don't have the fullback solution, the long term potential plan,

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Speaker 1: potential successor that we invested a fifth round pick in,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it sucks. It sucks. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: If Ben Mason is truly going to get a call

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Speaker 1: up sometime soon, well then I don't blame him. He

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Speaker 1: did the right thing for for him and his career.

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Speaker 1: Don't blame him, right Like, you gotta take a spot

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Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster if you're gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's still an if he sent the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't know, but I don't

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Speaker 1: like it, I can say that much. Well, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like I said earlier. We you're making these cuts

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Speaker 1: at roster cuttown time. There is risk and everyone knows that.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Eric Coston knows that, and like other teams can

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Speaker 1: now talk to these guys and and you know, Nigel

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Speaker 1: Warriors a decent example. You know. Um, I think I

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Speaker 1: was impressed with what I saw from Nige Warrior uh

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Speaker 1: in training camp, but he had a spot roster. That's

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Speaker 1: a different story him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure,

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Speaker 1: McCarry was named. McCarry was the other player that was

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Speaker 1: claimed the running The running back went to Denver Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: But there's just there's just some risk, and I was

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Speaker 1: I was surprised to see Mason go elsewhere. I think

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Speaker 1: all we we talked about it on the three man

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Speaker 1: Prediction and we all said, all right, well he will

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Speaker 1: be on the practice squad, and I think that kind

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Speaker 1: of everyone felt like that was going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: So it was surprising and disappointing to see him go elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: But if, like you said, if he truly gets that

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Speaker 1: early season call up, well Okay, then you understand it

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't. And the Patriots are a team that

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Speaker 1: that they do typically use a running or a fullback,

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Speaker 1: so they're one of They're one of the teams that

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Speaker 1: that where he could find a home. And they've had

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Speaker 1: fullbacks there over the years who having successful You would

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Speaker 1: be great. I just take this, Bill Ravens had fifty

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Speaker 1: two on the Rocks right now, just claim off their

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Speaker 1: practice squad right now. Bring him back one. Just claim

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Speaker 1: him should be amazing. Um all right. Two other quick

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Speaker 1: points that I want to make on the three. One

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Speaker 1: is there are two guys want to point out. One

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Speaker 1: is Josh OLIVERA. One is James Prochet, Like it's sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's those were two guys who came into training camp

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Speaker 1: on the roster bubble. Like we spent a ton of

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Speaker 1: time talking about is Brochet gonna make the team? Going

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Speaker 1: back to O. T. A. S and all that, it

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Speaker 1: became so obvious that both those guys had earned their

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Speaker 1: spot on this team based on the way they played

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Speaker 1: in training camp that once that came down to cut

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Speaker 1: down time, there was almost like no discussion of it.

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Speaker 1: It was like, oh yeah, Aprochase on the team, Oliver's

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Speaker 1: on the team. I don't think we should discount how

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Speaker 1: well those two guys performed this summer, because they deserve

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit there. Yeah, I'd like to tell

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Speaker 1: us when more name in there, and that's Tyler Huntley. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, that was a huge question mark coming

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Speaker 1: in and he just earned the job, Like there's no question,

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Speaker 1: I think at the end, you know, McSorley. Obviously the

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Speaker 1: back injury played into it and opened the door for Huntley,

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Speaker 1: but he played so well that there's no question that

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Speaker 1: he had earned that spot. Yep, yep. And so like

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Speaker 1: it's just always funny we spent so much time on

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Speaker 1: the front end talking about these position battles and then

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Speaker 1: when that guy win this job, you're kind of like, whatever,

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Speaker 1: let's move on. I just don't think we should gloss

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Speaker 1: over the way those guys earned their spots with the

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Speaker 1: way they played this camp preseason. I would I would

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Speaker 1: totally agree with that anyway. Uh, thanks for listening as usual,

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Speaker 1: don't you know, don't listen any of our predictions or podcasts.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we'll be back to make more of

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Speaker 1: them next week. Um yeah, well we'll be back. Uh. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is double double different week. First of all, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have you get this one today. This is

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Speaker 1: the Hot News podcast, and then we're gonna have our

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Speaker 1: usual player interview podcast coming out tomorrow, So make sure

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Speaker 1: you stay tuned for that one because we're bringing in

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Speaker 1: cornerback Anthony Averite for an interview, uh anything. He's a

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Speaker 1: cool guy and we don't talk to him a lot.

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Speaker 1: Fans don't hear from a lot, so we thought he

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Speaker 1: in for that, and then next week we'll be back

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Speaker 1: to give you our season predictions, which that one. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna's spot on that one. It's gonna be perfect. I

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Speaker 1: for for listeners out there, I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: should be a really good time. Uh. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be on with thirteenth that's the Monday night opener. So

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Speaker 1: if you're one of the lucky people to be out

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Speaker 1: in Vegas for the game, when you're here in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: well you should come to our countdown to Kioff party.

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Speaker 1: you Garret exactly. They're great. Um, they're good guys, great band.

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Speaker 1: And so they're gonna be performing at that kickoff party

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Speaker 1: again septe Uh. There's gonna be basically a watch party

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Speaker 1: for the game at Emty Bake Stadiums. Just gonna be

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Speaker 1: a great time. So uh, you can get tickets to that,

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