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Speaker 1: M Welcome back to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: League Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: a room full of heroes. Here. I have on my

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Speaker 1: right the great Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and

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Speaker 1: then a special guest, the final member of the A

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Speaker 1: t L team, Kevin Patra. Great to be here, finally

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Speaker 1: made it to the big leagues. Now, if you're just

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Speaker 1: know Patrick's name, or even if you read the site,

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Speaker 1: you might not. But Kevin is gonna be joining us

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Speaker 1: in a full time capacity in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: He's actually gonna be leaving Los Angeles, moving to Chicago,

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Speaker 1: and so this is probably the last time he'll ever

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Speaker 1: be on the podcast, but we just wanted introduce him

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Speaker 1: to everyone before before we bid him. The good thing

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Speaker 1: about this is no matter how good or how bad

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Speaker 1: should replace someone, it's not possible. If he was really bad,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. That's that's what we aim for here at

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Speaker 1: the Around Podcast. Okay, so we have a busy show today.

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Speaker 1: Off the top, let's talk about all right, so we

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Speaker 1: got we're on iTunes correct, uh so subscribe and download

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Speaker 1: the more successful we are to tell your friends, tell

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Speaker 1: your friends about the local podcast. Also, we have a

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Speaker 1: new logo which will tie behind the glass you know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for engineering that that was. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 1: new logo, much better than the seventh grade photoshop version

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Speaker 1: prior to that. So that's good. But the next step

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Speaker 1: up now is the theme song. Right now, Right now,

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Speaker 1: we have the guitar lick. That's something similar. How would

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Speaker 1: you describe the current guitar lick theme song? Embarrassing? Well,

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Speaker 1: can you play the current lick? Sure? Thing here it is.

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Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like Greg, you and I were

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Speaker 1: the DVR and then it when the show ended, it

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Speaker 1: went to direct TV's generic guitar music. It's similar to that.

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Speaker 1: So now what we need to do is find a

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Speaker 1: new theme song. We have Dick Banks, Dave Damastuk's trusted

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Speaker 1: Bank's version. Sure thing, I've prepared a couple of options

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Speaker 1: for you. I think you guys are gonna really like them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think that's that's the backward Skaters only.

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Speaker 1: I like that. We'm gonna be hard to top that.

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Speaker 1: We might not need anything from Dick Banks. Sound. First

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Speaker 1: of all, that sounds like something Dick Banks. But right

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, actually that is. It sounds really sophisticated, and

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Speaker 1: there's also an air of nostalgia to it. Almost. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I feel like there has to be a

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Speaker 1: what else? Give me another option? WHOA did we clear

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Speaker 1: this with HBO? The Game of Throne? Steam Amos Batman,

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Speaker 1: our graphic designer. But I did not choose the they're

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Speaker 1: not listening to the padcast. It sounds like everybody in

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Speaker 1: That's Steve Smith's entrance music whenever an opposing defensive back

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Speaker 1: comes up? Do you have anything else anymore? All right?

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Speaker 1: Give us one more? All right? Leg If you want

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Speaker 1: football standpoint, so Patrick, welcome to the show, and goodbye,

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Speaker 1: and um so we're gonna talk a little football. We

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Speaker 1: will get to Kevin Patrick's Detroit lines a little later,

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Speaker 1: but I guess let's start with what was on HBO

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Speaker 1: but to see him in this light was pretty amazing. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: You you saw it right. Yeah, I did see that exchange.

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Speaker 1: do the Hard Knock episode recap. That's a shameless plug.

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Speaker 1: And the line that stuck out to me was the merchant,

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Speaker 1: And who was going to say no, there was that vacuum.

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Speaker 1: Everyone can read Kevin. Starting in a couple of weeks,

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