1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 3: We begin with politics this morning, because former President Donald 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: Trump is now facing new obstruction charges in the criminal 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: case over how he handled classified documents. Amy Morris begins 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: our team coverage from our Bloomberg ninety nine one newsroom 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: in Washington. 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 4: These are new charges in the classified documents case, allegations 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: that Trump and two employees tried to delete surveillance video 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 4: footage at his Mara A Lago estate last year. In 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 4: this latest indictment, prosecutors accused Trump of directing workers to 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 4: erase footage of a storage room where the documents were kept, 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 4: days after his lawyers received a subpoena for the footage. 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: It also includes one additional count, accusing Trump of willful 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 4: retention of national defense information. He's already pleaded not guilty 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: and faces a May twentieth trial date in Washington. I'm 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: Amy Morris, Bloomberg Daybreak. 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: All right, Amy, thank you. All these new charges has 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: put even more legal pressure on the former president. We 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: continue our team cover to this story with Bloomberg Justice 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: Department reporter Chris Strom. 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 5: This most likely will extend the timeline for the Trump case. 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 5: It's very possible that what Jack Smith is trying to 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 5: do here is get Deolavera to flip on Trump, and 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: by bringing these charges, he's looking to put pressure on 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 5: Dale Lavera and have him break off from Trump. They're 28 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 5: all lumped together now in the indictment, Trump, Walt Not 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 5: and Dale Leavera. And at this point the Special Council 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 5: is going forward with the prosecution. 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: And Bloomberg's Chris Strom says there's still more legal trouble 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: on the horizon for former President Trump, paways of potential 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: third indictment over efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: where on that could come any day now. 35 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: Now, there are new developments in geopolitics. This morning, Karen 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: new tensions between the US and China, and this time 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: they come by way of Hong Kong. The Washington Post 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: is reporting that the White House is barring Hong Kong's 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: leader John Lee from a major economic summit this fall. 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Daybreak Asia anchor Brian Curtis has more from Hong Kong. 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 6: John Lee is sanctioned by the US for his role 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 6: in Hong Kong's crackdown on civil liberties. The Post cited 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 6: three unidentified US officials as saying Lee would be barred. 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 6: Hong Kong government issued a statement saying the APEC meeting 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 6: does not belong to any one country and the US 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 6: should fulfill its responsibilities as a host. Now blacklisting Lee 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 6: will surely raise tensions. The US recently condemned Hong Kong 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 6: after it put bounties on eight democracy activists activists wanted 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 6: under a Chinese national security law in Hong Kong. Brian Curtis, Bloomberg. 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: Daybreak, Hi, Brian, thanks well. 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Turning to the markets now, we've seen bond and currency 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: markets jolted overnight by the Bank of Japan. Global bonds 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: fell after the BOJ announced more flexibility in its yield 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: curve control policy, and that spurs speculation of more changes 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: to come. Bloomberg macro strategist Mark Hudmore says letting long 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: term interest rates rise above their cap was a surprisingly 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: hawkish move. 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 7: Effectively, what they've raised the hard cap to one percent, 59 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 7: and even then they haven't said it's going to be 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 7: unlimited purchases of jgb's out of one percent yield. It's 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 7: just going to be daily purchases, so that's basically move 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 7: the hard cup up from point five percent to one percent. 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 7: That's a point five percent move there in that cap. 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: And Bloomber's Mark Cudmore says loosening a yield curve control 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: marks the first surprise move from the Bank of Japan's 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: a new governor. It could make the yen a more 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: volatile trade. In checking the yen right now, it's at 68 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,279 Speaker 2: one thirty nine point five to two against the dollar. 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 3: And back here in the US, Karen earning season continues 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: to rumble on with key guidance from Intel. The chip 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: maker issued a bullish revenue forecast, indicating demand for computer 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: components is improving. The outlook follows a slow start to 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: the year and makes good on a promise from Intel 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: management that the second half of twenty twenty three will 75 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: show improvement and checking shares of Intel right now they 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: are higher by nearly seven percent. 77 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: And Nathan, we also got earnings from master Card, the 78 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: company saying cardvolume rows more than expected to one point 79 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: eight trillion dollars that beat estimates. MasterCard says overseas travel 80 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: and other entertainment is primarily driving the increase. Earlier this week, 81 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: Visa also noted that spending on its cards jumped and 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: also cited hire volumes tied to travel. 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: Okay, so while travel spending a peers healthy care and 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: commercial real estate that's a different story. Now we're learning 85 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: US office data are on track to set records, but 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: for the wrong reason. Bloomberg's John Tucker explains. 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 8: The amount of office space in the US is declining 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 8: for what's likely the first time in history. The real 89 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 8: estate services company Jones Langlessal. Says less than five million 90 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 8: square feet of new offices broke round in the US 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 8: so far this year, while fourteen point seven billion square 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 8: feet has been removed as good mark what is believed 93 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 8: to be the first net decline ever. The closest we 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 8: came to negative inventory historically would have been during the 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 8: height of the Great Depression. Among the reasons for the decline, 96 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 8: employees have been slow to return in certain cities, and 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 8: office owners are grappling with a pullback of demand for 98 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 8: many tenants in New York. I'm John Tucker, Bloomberg Daybreak. 99 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: All right, John, Thanks. We also have an important note 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: from the airline industry. American Airlines and negotiators for its 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: Pinelists union reached a preliminary agreement on a proposed contract. 102 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: It'll include higher pay and benefits more closely aligned with 103 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: a labor agreement at United Airlines. 104 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: And if you've been feeling extra hot this July, it's 105 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: not just in your head. This month is set to 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: become the world's hottest on record, the first twenty one 107 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: days of this month for the hottest three week period, 108 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: with July six seeing its highest ever global average temperature. 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: And now it's time to take a look at some 110 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: of the other stories making news in New York and 111 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: around the world with Bloomberg's Michael Barr. Happy Friday, Michael. 112 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 9: Happy Friday to you, Nathan, and more. On the heat 113 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 9: that you just mentioned, Excessive heat warnings remain in place 114 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 9: for New York City and a lot of the Tri 115 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 9: state area. Today, New York Mayor Eric Adams and we 116 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 9: need to be clear when we talk about hot weather. 117 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 9: Heat kills more New Yorkers every year than any other 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 9: kind of extreme weather event, and access to cooling is 119 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 9: a matter of life and death. Mayor Adam says the 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 9: city has opened up five hundred cooling centers. A fifteen 121 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 9: year old swimmer remains missing after going in the water 122 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 9: off of Coney Island in Brooklyn. Lifeguards and witnesses saw 123 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 9: two boys in distress in the water in a no 124 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 9: swimming area of the beach. The fourteen year old was rescued, 125 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 9: but the search was called off last night for the 126 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 9: fifteen year old. President Biden had strong words for one 127 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 9: US senator. Biden accused the Republican Party of undermining the 128 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 9: US military my allowing Alabama Senator Tommy Tubberville to block 129 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 9: hundreds of military appointments over the Pentagon's abortion policy, a. 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 10: Growing cascade of damage and disruption, all because one senator 131 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 10: from Alabama and forty eight Republicans refused to stand up 132 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 10: to them to lift the blockade over the Pentagon policy 133 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 10: offering servicemen and women their families access to reproductive healthcare 134 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 10: rights they deserve if their station in states to deny it. 135 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 9: Tubberville is protesting the Defense Department policy put in place 136 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 9: that provides paid leave and reimburses costs for troops who 137 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 9: travel to another state to get an abortion. The Biden 138 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 9: administration is set to tighten fuel efficiency standards of alltomakers. 139 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 9: Bloomberg's at Baxter reports. 140 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 11: The proposed rule is expected to be applicable to years 141 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 11: twenty twenty seven and beyond. The move comes as gasoline 142 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 11: prices are rising again. Details have not been announced, but 143 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 11: previous proposals have it an averaging fuel economy by brand 144 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 11: at forty nine miles per gallon. It also will push 145 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 11: for half of all vehicles sold in the US to 146 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 11: be electric or emissions free by the end of the decade. 147 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 11: It could be issued as early as today. In San Francisco, 148 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 11: I'm at Baxter Bloomberg Daybreak. 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 9: A founding member of the Eagles has died. Randy Meisner 150 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 9: added high harmonies to some of the Eagles' favorites. 151 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: To the Minute, along. 152 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 9: With take It to the Limit. Meisner also gave us 153 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 9: take It Easy and the best of my love. The 154 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 9: band says. Meisner died of complications from COPD. Randy Meisner 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 9: was seventy seven global news twenty four hours a day, 156 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 9: powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalist and analysts 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 9: over one hundred and twenty countries. How Michael Barr, this is Bloomberg. 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 12: Nathan, Thanks Michael. 159 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: Time now for the Bloomberg Sports update. Here's John Stashauer. 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 13: All right, Nathan, we have an answer to the question 161 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 13: surrounding the Mets the past several weeks. Will they be 162 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 13: buyers or sellers at the trade deadline? They are sellers. 163 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 13: They just traded their best reliever, David Robertson had the 164 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 13: lowest era have any picture on the staff sent to 165 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 13: Miami for two rookie minor leaguers. 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 9: The Marlins are in it for. 167 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 13: A wildcard playoff spot, and the Mets really are not. 168 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 13: Although they didn't win last night at City Field, they 169 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 13: scored twice in the eighth inning to top Washington two 170 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 13: to one. The Yankees flates to let in Baltimore, and 171 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 13: it said to me likely that Aaron Judge will be 172 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 13: in the lineup out Since early June, with the injured 173 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 13: toe of the Yanks two and a half game out 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 13: of a playoff spot, the Angels are just behind the Yankees. 175 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 13: Angels just had a doubleheader sweep in Detroit where the 176 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 13: remarkable dual talents a show, Hey Otani, We're on full display, 177 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 13: a complete game, one hit shutout on the mound and 178 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 13: the opener, and then two home runs at the plate 179 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 13: in the nightcap. But Giants training camp Saquon Barkley's first 180 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 13: comments since his decision to accept the one year franchise 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 13: tag and not hold out. 182 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 14: Some people may agree or disagree with this and you know, 183 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 14: sit out or sit in, and I feel like for 184 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 14: it this year specifically, the best thing that I can 185 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 14: do for myself would be coming back, going out there 186 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 14: and play the game that I love, playing for my teammates, 187 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 14: doing something I want to do. 188 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 13: So this little kid, Barkley called it in Epiff and 189 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 13: A Giants did sweeten the deal to entice and from 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 13: college football Colorado now coach by Dilon Sanders left the 191 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 13: Big Twelve, joined the Fact Twelve. Now going back to 192 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 13: the Big Twelve. Lebron James and son Brownie out of 193 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 13: the hospital in LA after suffering that probacter rest Johns 194 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 13: stashedward bloom Sports. 195 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 15: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 15: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias exam the Bloomberg 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 15: Business app in Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 198 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 11: Good morning. 199 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager. Every aspect of finance is affected by 200 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: the artificial intelligence. Boom and Wall Street's main regulator is 201 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: taking notice. The securities and Exchange Commission is proposing restrictions 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: for brokerages and money managers that use AI to interact 203 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: with clients. Chair Gary Gensler says it's about firms putting 204 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: client interests ahead of their own. Gensler talked about that 205 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: and his moves to further regulate the crypto industry in 206 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: an interview with Bloomberg's Kaylee Lines and Danny Berger. Let's 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: listen in to part of that conversation right now. 208 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 16: I'd like to begin with your newest rules that you 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 16: just unveiled yesterday, putting restrictions on brokerages and money managers 210 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 16: and their use of AI to interact with clients. What 211 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 16: is your primary concern with the adoption of this technology 212 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 16: that you're trying to address? 213 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 12: First, Kayley, it's good to be with you. 214 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 17: But talking about this, I think that predictive data analytics, 215 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 17: including artificial intelligence, is the transformative technology of our times, 216 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 17: and every bit is transformatives to the Internet or mass 217 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 17: production of the automobile one hundred years ago. 218 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 12: Now, what are we trying to address? 219 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 17: When an investment advisor or a broker works with you 220 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 17: as an investor, they're not supposed to put their interest 221 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 17: the advisor's interest ahead of yours, Kayley, as an investor. 222 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 17: And so what we're trying to do is make sure 223 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 17: that the technology aligns with that standard, that the technology 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 17: that can predict about each and every one of us 225 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 17: so much about how we might react to a little 226 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 17: behavioral prompt or a little knowledge how we might react. 227 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 17: That they're putting our interest as an investor in the 228 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 17: right place and not putting themselves ahead of it. 229 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 16: And of course the AI move wasn't the only one 230 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 16: you made yesterday. You also just approved a plan to 231 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 16: require companies to disclose cyber breaches within a four business 232 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 16: day timeline. 233 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 18: Why is that the appropriate time break. 234 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 17: Well, if I could just give a little bit more, 235 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 17: it's about material. 236 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 12: Incidents. 237 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 17: So if a company lost a factory and that factory 238 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 17: is wiped out, and that factory is material to its operations, 239 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 17: let's say, because it's lost to a hurricane, investors need 240 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 17: to know when they're buying and selling the stock. In 241 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 17: a similar way, if you had a cyber incident that 242 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 17: management determines as material, you know, hundreds of millions of 243 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 17: files lost or something or compromised, investors benefit from that disclosure. 244 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 16: But giving business is just four days to disclose that. 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 17: That's what we have in our rules today currently for 246 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 17: businesusiness days if you have, like if that factory was 247 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:10,239 Speaker 17: wiped out by a hurricane, to put out the material information. 248 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 12: And so that's consistent with rules on the books. And 249 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 12: by the. 250 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 17: Way, many companies have been making such disclosures, some haven't. 251 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 17: It's been fragmented and we thought it was important to 252 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 17: bring some consistency to it around these material events. 253 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 19: Mister chaired Danny Berger here in London, really wonderful to 254 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 19: speak with you today now now on some of your 255 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 19: proposals when it comes to equity market structural reforms. You 256 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 19: joined Bloomberg TV back in March. You said, of market participants, 257 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 19: give us your best advice, tell us what you think. 258 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 12: What did you get? 259 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 19: What was the best advice you got? 260 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 17: Well, we got in terms of equity market structure, thousands 261 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 17: of comments. 262 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 12: So I would say that. 263 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 17: We're about at the SEC is trying to drive greater 264 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 17: efficiency and competition in those markets. So when you send 265 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 17: an order into a broker, that you feel that you're 266 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 17: getting best execution in that order, and also that the 267 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 17: markets themselves are competitive. 268 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 12: So one of our rules was about sort of. 269 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 17: Leveling the playing field between the lit markets, the so 270 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 17: called New York Stock Exchange and NASDAK and so forth, 271 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 17: and the wholesalers are dark market, which at times the 272 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 17: dark part of the markets are between a third and 273 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 17: a half of the market. So it's trying to bring 274 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 17: some level the playing field and ensure that investors are 275 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 17: getting best execution in these markets. 276 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 19: What about in terms of the feedback you got, are 277 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 19: you taking any of that on board? Would you change 278 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 19: anything considering what you've heard so far? 279 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 12: Well, we do that as a regular basis. 280 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 17: When we make a proposal, we put it out to 281 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 17: public comment and get feedback, and we put out four 282 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 17: separate proposals for different aspects in the markets, and I 283 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 17: think we've gotten four to six thousand comments on each 284 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 17: of them. 285 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 12: So and we naturally consider. 286 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 17: It and the staff makes recommendations about adjustments. 287 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 16: Okay, I'd like to discuss another proposed rulemaking that has 288 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 16: received a certain. 289 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 18: Degree of feedback, your climate risk. 290 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 16: Disclosures, specifically as it relates to Scope three emissions. What 291 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 16: conversations are you having around Scope three in particular. 292 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 17: Well, we've heard a lot from the public on this, 293 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 17: but to set the stage companies today are making disclosures 294 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 17: around climate risk. In fact, well over half of the 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 17: top thousand or so companies currently make climate risk disclosures, 296 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 17: including greenhouse gas emission disclosure. So we're trying to bring 297 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 17: consistency to that and yes for investors that they can 298 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 17: compare comparability for that. You asked about one part of 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 17: greenhouse gas missions, so called Scope three, which is about 300 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 17: the supply. 301 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 18: Chain and where a lot of the concern lines. 302 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 17: And so we've heard from a lot of commenters about that, 303 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 17: both from issuers and investors. We understood when we made 304 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 17: a proposal that this was not as well developed so 305 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 17: called disclosures around supply chain emissions, and so we're taking 306 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 17: that into consideration. And as I just chatted with your colleague, 307 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 17: the staff considers what to recommend upon adoption and whether 308 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 17: to make adjustments, so. 309 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 18: We could see you change there potentially. 310 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 17: Well, just as in the equity markets that I talked about, 311 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 17: we do take these comments seriously, Kayley. It's a really 312 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 17: rigorous exercise in climate. We got sixteen thousand comments, so 313 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 17: it's a lot. 314 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 12: To sort of sort through. But the Scope III issue 315 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 12: is one that we've heard. 316 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 17: Significant comments Interestingly, we've heard from I think forty eight 317 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 17: or forty nine of the state farm bureaus literally about 318 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 17: well what is this effect? 319 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 12: And we only. 320 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 17: Oversee the public companies, these six or seven thousand public companies. 321 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 12: That's it. 322 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 17: We are a disclosure based agency. I often say we're 323 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 17: merit neutral. 324 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 12: We are not. You know, we're not. 325 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 17: This disclosure is about something already happening between investors and issuers, 326 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 17: and it's an important thing to bring consistency. It's not 327 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 17: about those, you know, those farmers and ranchers who thoughtfully 328 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 17: wrote us. 329 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 12: So we've heard. 330 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 16: Okay, I'd like to move to a different topic which 331 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 16: has gotten a lot of attention lately, Crypto, specifically a 332 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 16: ruling that was made in the Ripple case that x 333 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 16: R is only a security when sold to institutional investors, 334 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 16: not so with retail investors. I know you've previously said 335 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 16: you were disappointed by that ruling. The SEC has also 336 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 16: said that it intends to seek further review. So does 337 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 16: that mean you are going to appeal it? Can you 338 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 16: elaborate on your thoughts around that ruling? 339 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 17: Kaylee? Great question, But the Commission, I'm one of five commissioners. 340 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 12: The Commission has not. 341 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 17: Acted on that, and if the staff makes a recommendation, 342 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 17: we'll have a discussion of it and we'll take it 343 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 17: up then. 344 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 12: But I don't really have anything more on you for 345 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 12: you for that. 346 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 19: In the meantime, as we wait for this, what does 347 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 19: it mean for your efforts around crypto, for your efforts 348 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 19: to try to protect the consumer in these areas? Does 349 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 19: it complicate it? 350 00:18:53,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 17: Look this field of crypto investing, a lot of investors 351 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 17: should be aware. It's not only a highly speculative asset class, 352 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 17: it's also one that they currently should not assume that 353 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 17: they're getting the protections of the securities laws, even though 354 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 17: the securities laws apply to many of those tokens without 355 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 17: prejudging anyone, but you as investors are not getting. 356 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 12: The full, fair and truthful disclosure. 357 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 17: And the platforms, the intermediaries are doing things that we 358 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 17: would never in a day allow or think the New 359 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 17: York Stock Exchange or NASDAQ would do. The platforms often 360 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 17: are co mingling and trading against you and have market 361 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 17: makers that are on the other side of your trades, 362 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 17: and we don't allow that in the rest of our 363 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 17: securities markets and the securities laws are there to protect you. 364 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 12: And that's right now. 365 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 17: This is a field rife with fraud, rife with hucksters, 366 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 17: and they're good faith actors as well, but there are 367 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 17: far too many that aren't. 368 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 19: And of course you've brought cases against crypto exchanges on 369 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 19: this point. But do you need to change tactic? Does 370 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 19: it change anything for those cases? Again this XRP ruling. 371 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 17: Again, I'm not going to go into any one ruling, 372 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 17: but I think that the securities laws are clear, and 373 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 17: if you're if the public is investing in your project 374 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 17: because they're anticipating profits based upon the efforts of that project, 375 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 17: or there's entrepreneurs Congress painted with a broad brush, and 376 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 17: I would ask you this, It's like when you look 377 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 17: at a token, you can find a website, you can 378 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 17: find a CEO, you can find a Twitter or x feed, 379 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 17: whatever it's called these days, and there are entrepreneurs behind 380 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 17: many of these projects. Without again prejudging any one of them. 381 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 16: Elsewhere in the crypto space, I'd like to discuss the 382 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 16: spot ETF because we have seen a wave of filings 383 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 16: recently recently from Blackrock and others trying to finally achieve 384 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 16: this one has never been approved in the US, just 385 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 16: a futures etf it seems like everyone thinks there has 386 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 16: been a tone shift, that something is different this time around. 387 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 16: What do you make of that wave of recent filings? 388 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 16: Has anything actually changed for the. 389 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 17: Sec Kayleye, Probably won't surprise you. Those filings do ultimately 390 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 17: come up to a five member commission, so I can't 391 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 17: prejudge any filing. But back to your colleague, as I said, 392 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 17: this is a field that there's a lot of non 393 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 17: compliance in this field, and that the platforms themselves where 394 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 17: trading is occurring of various crypto tokens. Though some of 395 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 17: it comes under the securities laws, currently they're not necessarily 396 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 17: compliant with those time test of protections against fraud and manipulation. 397 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 16: Okay, on the subject of securities laws, which obviously is 398 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 16: your purview at the SEC. Just yesterday House Financial Services 399 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 16: Committee passed through committee legislation on crypto market structure that 400 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 16: would actually give more authority in regulating this space to 401 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 16: the CFTC still has a long way to go if 402 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 16: it were to become law. 403 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 18: But what is your thought on that legislation. 404 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 17: I sort of share my thoughts directly with members on 405 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 17: the way I told them, I understand your question, Kayley, 406 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 17: But I think that those members on the Hill would 407 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 17: appreciate if I continue to share my thoughts directly with them. 408 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 19: Not too dissimilar. Mister Tara, I wonder if there's some 409 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 19: degree that you would want a wider scope when it 410 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 19: comes handing down fines to batter actors. 411 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 18: Do you think it would be helpful. 412 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 19: To have higher finds again in order to discourage certain behaviors. 413 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 17: I would say this, we have good tools at the 414 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 17: SEC around not just penalties, but also what's called discoragement, 415 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 17: to give back ill gotten gains and so forth. But 416 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 17: if you're asking whether we could use more authorities, I 417 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 17: would say, we need more cops on the beat, we 418 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 17: need more resources. Our agency is just the size we 419 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 17: were in twenty sixteen. We actually shrank, we've kind of 420 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 17: come back, and yet the markets have grown so significantly 421 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 17: in those seven years. 422 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 16: And finally, as you say you need more resources, I 423 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 16: wonder how you feel about the ability of you to 424 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 16: get those things from this Congress, in particular when you 425 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 16: have certain members of Congress who have said things like 426 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 16: introducing legislation to remove you as chair, referring to tyrannical chairmen, 427 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 16: including the current one, does it mean it more difficult 428 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 16: to do your job when there's that kind of political 429 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 16: rhetoric out there in your efforts to protect investors. 430 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 17: We work closely with Congress and individual members, and I 431 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 17: look forward to. 432 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 12: Those public debates. I think that. 433 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 17: We're really an important agency. The capital markets really wouldn't 434 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 17: work without cops on the beat and rules of the road. 435 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 17: Just think if you're watching soccer matches, if there were 436 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 17: no refs on the field, what would that soccer match 437 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 17: look like? 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