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Speaker 1: Time now for a sports update on a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Detroit's Tariq Scuoble and Pittsburgh's Paul Schemes were named the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five cy Young Award winners. Notre Dame star

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Speaker 2: Hannah Hildago dropped forty four points at an NCAA record

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Speaker 2: sixteen steals in a.

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Speaker 1: Blowout win over Acrid, and finally, after.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and thirty two years, the US mint has

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Speaker 2: made the last penny.

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Speaker 1: How about that sixteen fucking steals? Is he?

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Speaker 3: I saw a headline on that that really ticked me

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Speaker 3: off because it went Irish star sets record sixteen steals,

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Speaker 3: forty four points or whatever. I was like, Oh, who

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Speaker 3: is this international superstar from Ireland? And then I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's the fighting Irish. You gotta give me a fighting

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Speaker 3: or you gotta give me an ND or Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: You can't just go Irish star. Like that's a little misleading,

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four points did not jump out the sixteen steals.

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Speaker 3: Holy shit, that's insane, that's incredible. I mean the forty

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Speaker 3: four points jumped out too. If you watch some of

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Speaker 3: those highlights. This girl is dirty, but Uh yeah, sixteen

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Speaker 3: steels is ridiculous. It's like a whole team helpless, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. I'm just gonna pass

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Speaker 3: the ball because this woman keeps stealing it from me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sad die for the penny? Huh? I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: gonna doing penny for your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I mean give your two cents out? No you can't.

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Speaker 3: There's no two cent piece. You gotta go Nickel for

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Speaker 3: your thoughts. Now, no two cent piece, Mikey, But you

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Speaker 3: know there's a two dollars bill.

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Speaker 2: Even the price Wait, what do you do with two

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Speaker 2: dollars bills? I have three of them in my pocket, firmly,

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Speaker 2: you got my pocket. I never used them. Their good luck.

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Speaker 2: They're also valuable if you have the right serial number,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Mikey's got a whole stack of them, and

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Speaker 3: he probably has checked all those serial numbers.

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Speaker 1: What year was that?

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Speaker 3: Like, it'supposed to be twenty thirteen, right, it would.

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Speaker 1: Still be in his position if you checked those serial numbers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, everything's going on. Hell, even the price of

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Speaker 4: your thoughts is going up?

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Speaker 2: Izy, what do you want to do with a penny

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Speaker 2: for your thoughts? Do we do you give your two cents? Now?

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Speaker 2: You can't because there's no more pennies. So it's got

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Speaker 2: to be a nickel for your.

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Speaker 3: Thoughts, right if you're charging, Like, why can't we go

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Speaker 3: the other direction? Why can't we say, uh, get out

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Speaker 3: of get your thoughts out free card. It's like a

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Speaker 3: get out of jail free card.

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Speaker 1: Who's given their thoughts out for free?

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Speaker 3: Though? I mean, jesus me over the last several months.

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Speaker 1: You are, Yes, thank you for doing so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I guess that's my payment.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, thank you, Yes, I pay you and thank you?

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Speaker 5: Yea.

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Speaker 6: What a run for the penny?

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a great run. Yes, thank you, Taylor,

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Speaker 1: that's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Was it a great run? When was the last

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Speaker 3: time you did anything meaningful with a penny? I think

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Speaker 3: the last thing I did meaningful with a penny was

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Speaker 3: proved that Taco bell sauce can clean anything, because it

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Speaker 3: cleaned up all my penny. And that's about it.

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Speaker 4: The penny is having the same run as Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 6: Just just get rid of it at this point. What

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Speaker 6: a surefire first ballot Hall of famer, What a.

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Speaker 2: Coin hall of fame? Sure like a monetary hall of fame.

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Speaker 2: What kind of hall of fame are we doing here? Yes,

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Speaker 2: the penny would be a first ballot Hall of Famer

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Speaker 2: and some sort of monetary hall of fame. What would

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Speaker 2: that hall of fame be like? If it's a coin

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Speaker 2: hall of fame? You just have the standard, you have

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Speaker 2: the penny, you have the nickel, you have the.

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Speaker 3: Wait, I don't think the nickels in. I don't think nickel.

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Speaker 3: That's done, Di, you're nickel and diming people. That's something

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Speaker 3: it's got to get in there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the would be in there outside of the standard

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Speaker 1: coins is what I'm.

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Speaker 3: The buffalo nickel? The was it the silver dollar? Who

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Speaker 3: is the woman that's on that thing?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Susan B. Anthony?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Susan b. Anthon Dell. That's not in the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Get that one out of there. Outside

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Speaker 3: looking in.

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Speaker 2: All of very good, But there's only four coins, guys

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Speaker 2: like penny. There's only four first ballot Hall of Fame coins, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Right, put them all on the Mount rushmoreon movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, now I'm trying to think, Well, what I was

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Speaker 2: doing was is should Brad Penny be in there? Like?

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Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to think of athletes that can oute

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Speaker 1: coins or named after a coin or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm offended that you said there's only four coins.

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Speaker 4: I mean, clearly you haven't seen the infomercials at two

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Speaker 4: in the morning where you can get a limited edition

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Speaker 4: gold plated nickel or whatever it is, sent for only

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Speaker 4: three easy payments of thirty nine to ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Tru coin, Yes, all of them. I was gonna say

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Speaker 2: that I disagree with I disagree with you on pennies.

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Speaker 2: I think pennies are still very, very valuable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you go into a Starbucks and you know it's it's

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Speaker 2: six thirty seven. Those two pennies come in handy man,

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Speaker 2: I'm serious, they do you have thirty you have six

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Speaker 2: thirty five, and then you need the two pennies. They're

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Speaker 2: sitting there right in the ashtray for me, and I

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Speaker 2: get him and I hand him.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss the penny. No you're not.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're not leave a penny. Take a penny is

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Speaker 3: not going to be something you miss, Stu, You're never

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Speaker 3: gonna remember it. I'm trying to think of a segue here,

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Speaker 3: and the best I can come up with is Steph

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Speaker 3: currency ah, not bad.

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Speaker 1: Taylor put it on the pole. Are you going to

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Speaker 1: miss the penny.

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Speaker 3: Curry currency?

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Speaker 6: Vanderbilt has a basketball player right now, Tyler Nickel?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow?

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Speaker 1: By someone named din Danny Wow? Okay a quarter?

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Speaker 3: Is there an athlete with quarter in his name? And

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Speaker 3: we can complete this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Oh god. Anyway, it was in the update. What can

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Speaker 1: I tell you? Sorry? Go ahead?

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Speaker 3: Is he? Yeah? But we usually don't talk about that

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Speaker 3: part of the update. We talk about the other part.

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Speaker 1: Of I know, but I just listen. It's my mistake.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: It's the rare time I will talk about the final

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Speaker 2: story on the update. But Taylor put in parentheses a

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Speaker 2: penny for your thought?

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Speaker 1: What are we going to replace it with? And I

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Speaker 1: felt like we needed to explore that.

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Speaker 7: That's all former Miami Hurricane. He played on the Chargers.

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Speaker 7: Check quarterman, how about that?

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Speaker 1: That's there.

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Speaker 3: You go, put those four names together, put it on

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Speaker 3: a mountain. Let's as Jason Kidd would tell us, move forward, Yes, Kelly,

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Speaker 3: because this old Jason Kidd telling the Dallas Mavericks fans

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Speaker 3: to just get over it, mate, Like, just just get

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Speaker 3: over it. It's not a big deal anymore. It's the

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Speaker 3: most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life too.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you agree with Jason Kidd here.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if I want you here. Why

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Speaker 3: don't you tell me what you think of this situation

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Speaker 3: with Jason Kids selling the MAVs fans to move on

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Speaker 3: because Nico's been fired. Let's not chant in this arena anymore.

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Speaker 3: Let's not think about Luka Dantic's trade. Let's just move forward.

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Speaker 2: Uh, this is more ridiculous than the conversation we were

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Speaker 2: just having.

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Speaker 3: No, the other one was more was more ridiculous than this.

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Speaker 1: All right, Cameron Dollar, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I've seeing that, Okay, I guess yeah, I'm still on it.

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Speaker 8: Is there a fifty cent piece? Because pitty yah, he

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Speaker 8: hates us. He wants to talk NBA?

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Speaker 1: Is he?

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Speaker 2: So here's my deal with Jason Kidd. Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I know you think this is ridiculous. I know Dallas

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Speaker 2: Maverick fans are upset. You probably feel like they should

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Speaker 2: still be upset. But at some point, Jesus fucking Christ,

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Speaker 2: move on, man, Like.

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Speaker 3: Get over it.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you still had fans going up to

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Speaker 2: Nico in the arena complaining about the trade of Luca,

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Speaker 2: who won them nothing, by the way, and who has

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Speaker 2: won nothing since he's been in the NBA. It was

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Speaker 2: a bad trade, we get it. Nothing is gone right.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers are good, the Mavericks are bad. Anthony Davis

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Speaker 2: gets hurt the first game. The Dallas Mavericks have him,

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Speaker 2: and he's hurt again. He's barely played any basketball. Kyrie

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Speaker 2: hasn't come back yet. But Jesus Christ, the trade was made.

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Speaker 2: You can't reverse it. As a fan base, stop complaining.

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Speaker 2: And the guy responsible for the trade, the guy you

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Speaker 2: all wanted out of there, he's gone. Move on. Lee's

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Speaker 2: enough with Mavericks fans who suddenly care about basketball.

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Speaker 3: Move on, Please heard great argument? Move on? Please? I

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Speaker 3: like it. Well, what else can you do? You can't

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Speaker 3: reverse it, No, there's a lot you can do. Stude,

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Speaker 3: you're not trying to reverse the trade. You're trying to

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Speaker 3: keep your thumb on this, like force this organization to

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Speaker 3: do right, to continue to do right, because everybody knows

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just a horrible trade. It was you hired

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Speaker 3: this Nico Harrison, and now that he's out, everybody's showing

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Speaker 3: the receipts on how much of an idiot. He was

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Speaker 3: supposedly right. This is still the organization that hired that idiot.

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Speaker 3: Sorry about the phrasing. This is still that organization that

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Speaker 3: when I was chanting fire Nico, they were like, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna do that, and then you chanted it

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Speaker 3: so much that they did it. Okay, So you got

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Speaker 3: what you wanted. You, as the fan base, feel like

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Speaker 3: you have some sort of power here and can and

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Speaker 3: can affect the decisions of the organization whose decisions have

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Speaker 3: been terrible for you, Like you're gonna tell.

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Speaker 6: Me defense wins championships.

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Speaker 3: We want guys that are in shape, and you got

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Speaker 3: a defender who's fat and Anthony Davis sitting on the

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Speaker 3: sideline not even playing. Like, if I'm the fan base,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not going to be okay with what

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Speaker 3: you told me before, because at some point you were

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Speaker 3: in charge of the organization again, and you're gonna fuck

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Speaker 3: it up again. And so why my I poured my

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Speaker 3: heart and soul into Luka Doncics. I thought, for at

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Speaker 3: least we had twenty years of one of the best

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Speaker 3: basketball players in the league, and now I'm supposed to

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Speaker 3: get over at mate and just sit there and just

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Speaker 3: trust that they're gonna do it right this time. Fuck no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that. I'm going to yell and

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Speaker 3: yell and yell because again this time it worked. They

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Speaker 3: got rid of Nico. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna chant

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Speaker 3: other stuff like higher intelligently, that's a terrible cheer man. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get over it. I'm certainly not gonna

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Speaker 3: get over and just move on because Jason Kidd told me.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing Jason Kidd a favor by keeping the pressure

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Speaker 3: on the organization because that guy needs to win. It's

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Speaker 3: not like they're gonna keep him around for another ten

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Speaker 3: years if he doesn't win. With this group, it's absolutely

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Speaker 3: ridiculous to say move on now everything's going to be okay.

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Speaker 5: Why but who are you trying to keep the pressure on.

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Speaker 5: You're trying to keep the pressure on ownership. That's who

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Speaker 3: So chance sell the team. It's probably shorter than mine.

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Speaker 9: Intelligently, think about it, Think about how you. Let's all

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Speaker 9: try it. Let's see if we can sell the team.

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Speaker 9: Everybody's done that waits intelligently.

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Speaker 2: We'll get back to your thoughts on the Mavericks. I

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Speaker 2: the four, just the four of us on this zoom

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Speaker 1: Okay, after three, Okay, after.

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Speaker 2: Three, one two, three high intelligently.

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Speaker 1: Hi, terrible, terrible. It's even when you're drunk. That's horrible.

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Speaker 1: I mean slurring. That's a tough word.

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Speaker 2: Intelligently ironic, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It should absolutely be the next chant. And I'm telling

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Speaker 3: that's gonna work. How many marriages does that work? In

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Speaker 2: I could speak from decades of experience. It never works.

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Speaker 7: But Izzy, when you're listening to the Mavericks players, they're saying,

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: It feels like we don't even have a home court advantage.

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Speaker 3: Sure, if I'm a player, I'm looking at the organization

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Speaker 3: they're taking it out on us. Fix this shit. It's

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Speaker 3: not about the fans. The fans are reacting properly. This

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Speaker 3: was the most shocking trade in the history of the NBA,

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Speaker 3: and Nico Harrison has at least by reports, been proven

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Speaker 3: to be a buffoon. And your organization did all that.

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Speaker 3: This ownership group that does not include Mark Cuban at

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Speaker 3: the Helm did all that. And your answer now is

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Speaker 3: trust me, We're going to be okay. No, the players

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Speaker 3: doing everything we can. If I missed the free throw,

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Speaker 3: then that directly impacts the wins and loss by your team.

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Speaker 3: Your fault, not the fans fault?

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Speaker 1: Is he I.

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Speaker 2: Agree that the fans should be upset. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: As long as they want. But can they pipe down?

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Speaker 3: So how do you want them to express their or

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Speaker 3: Would you like them to write letters? Do you want

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Speaker 3: them to go on well you probably do want them

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Speaker 3: to go on local radio shows. Just do anything but

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Speaker 3: chant in the building. Is that what you want, because

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Speaker 3: that's the one that seems to be doing the work.

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Speaker 3: Anything but chant higher intelligently, yes, higher, smarter it is.

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Speaker 3: It is crazy to hire smarters better actually.

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Speaker 1: Not much better. Go ahead, Dylli.

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Speaker 7: When I'm at Yankee game, I'm channing less analytics.

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Speaker 2: Good sad, I'm not again, they should be upset.

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Speaker 1: The trade came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Not only were Maverick fan shocked, people who work inside.

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Speaker 3: You were shocked. Is real good?

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Speaker 1: He heres in this trade, But Steven A.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people who are tied to this league did

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Speaker 2: not see it coming. And I'm not saying don't be upset.

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Speaker 2: And it is interesting to see a fan base influence

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Speaker 3: But be upset.

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Speaker 2: Talk about it with your friends, talk about it with

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Speaker 2: But enough it's a topic like every three days, and

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Speaker 2: you know what, The guy responsible for the trade is

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Speaker 3: Are you saying, get with your family and pray for change?

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Speaker 1: Is to Luca.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if a fan base could fall in

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Speaker 3: You know, what about anything? He won them a Western

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Speaker 3: Conference championship. Well congratulations.

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Speaker 7: If you want change, though, don't ask for a penny.

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Speaker 3: Say we should change the subject? Then, is what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I like to I do like the subject.

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Speaker 2: It's like only from the standpoint of you're wanting the

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Speaker 2: enough with a guy who's responsible for the trade is gone.

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Speaker 1: You want them to have influence on decisions, Well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, forward, yes again, because this is the same largely

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Speaker 3: group of people that hired Nico, and if they're responsible

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Speaker 3: I think there's a great example of this when Golden

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Speaker 3: State sold to Joe Lacup and those guys. They had

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Speaker 3: being retired that night, okay, and when lacub got on

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Speaker 3: the mic. This was soon after the monte Ellis trade.

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Speaker 3: Think about this, monte Ellis, who is no Ka Donchins.

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Speaker 3: booed lakeup during Chris Mullen's jersey retirement, and Chris Mullen

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Speaker 3: had to get on the mic and say, hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: trust us, these things are going to work out. It's okay,

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Speaker 3: that worked out. They changed the organization they had Steph Curry.

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Speaker 3: They clearly had a plan. This Mavericks team. What are

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Speaker 3: Trust us, We're going to get this right. Because even

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Speaker 3: all right, at least defense is going to win us champion.

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Speaker 3: The guy's not on the court and he looks worse

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Speaker 3: play basketball. So what direction are they taking us. I

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Speaker 3: have no idea, and I would be very pissed off

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Speaker 3: if in twenty eleven won a championship, got back to

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Speaker 3: it looks like for several years we will be the

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Speaker 3: to tear this apart. Kyrie Irving's not going to be

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Speaker 3: happy and stay there if they're not any good. It's

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Speaker 3: just a terrible situation in which the fan should have

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Speaker 3: as much voice in it as possible.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, and that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind the fans having a voice, but in

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Speaker 2: terms of a tortured fan base like the Dallas Maverick

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Speaker 3: Not okay right.

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Speaker 2: Getting there, As Nick fans me and Taylor would tell you,

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Speaker 2: I would take being the worst team of the NBA

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Speaker 2: for a couple of years to have what the Mavericks

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Speaker 1: I would. They've had Dirk, they've had Nash.

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Speaker 2: Cuban's a good owner, they've won a championship, they've gone

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Speaker 2: back to the NBA finals, they've had Kyrie, they've had Luca.

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Speaker 1: They might they thought it would continue.

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Speaker 3: Why why do they continue. Why wouldn't it continue If

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Speaker 3: you still have Luca, you can continue that for another decade.

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Speaker 3: But you're maggy. He's not in shape, is he? I

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 2: But they don't have Luca anymore, and they're still complaining

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Speaker 2: about not having Luca even after the guy who's responsible

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Speaker 2: for the trade has been fired, like they should be

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Speaker 6: You know, So is he your You're more of our

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Speaker 7: So I have a theory, but I don't know if

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Speaker 7: it's been vocalized already by people.

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Speaker 6: So I'm gonna run the theory by you.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 7: I'm reading more about Nico Harrison since he's gotten fired.

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Speaker 7: Going going further back to like the trade, I'm reading

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Speaker 7: a Ramona Shelbourne piece, and she was talking about how

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Speaker 7: Polenka and Nico Harrison have been friends since like two

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Speaker 7: thousand and three.

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Speaker 6: Steve gotts you smell anything?

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Speaker 1: Oh I do? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Inside job?

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Speaker 1: I think I smell what your cooking tailor.

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Speaker 7: I I think Nico Harrison was a plant to get

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Speaker 7: Luca out of Dallas to La specifically.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Which wouldn't that infuriate you as a Dallas Mavericks fan

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Speaker 3: that you are the ones you have to be the

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Speaker 3: victim in all of this nonsense. So La of all

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Speaker 3: organizations could get another championship eighteen already.

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Speaker 7: And then furthering this inside job theory, Yeah, the Mavericks

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Speaker 6: Pick to get Coop flag.

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Speaker 7: They just happened to get the lottery balls and get

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Speaker 7: Cooper flag. Or was it more of a hey, you

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Speaker 7: get Cooper flag back inside?

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Speaker 3: That's the other thing. If I'm a Dallas Mavericks fan, like,

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Speaker 3: look I had Luca, don't try to tell me Cooper

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Speaker 3: flag is going to take the place of Luca. Stu

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Speaker 3: Cooper flag, like now, this is going to work against.

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Speaker 2: None of it has worked out for them, none of it, Luca,

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Speaker 2: are you yes, none of it.

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Speaker 1: Has worked out, Luca.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Luca's playing well, Lakers are good, Okay, Davis is hurt,

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Speaker 2: Cooper's a bust.

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Speaker 3: I get all of it.

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Speaker 2: The inside job theory has to be right up there

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Speaker 2: in terms of all time theories.

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Speaker 1: Right it does.

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Speaker 2: It's a great theory by Taylor's right up there with

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Speaker 2: the theory of evolution.

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Speaker 1: Is it not.

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Speaker 3: It's right behind Michael Jordan was suspended for a year

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Speaker 3: and a half for gambling. That's the second biggest conspiracy

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Speaker 3: and there's going to be more legs to it.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I don't like about the

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Speaker 2: Mavericks besides their fan base, the fact that their owner

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Speaker 2: Who are you governor? You're an NBA owner. You've got

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Speaker 2: a governor of anything?

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Speaker 3: I think, Patrick Dumont, Yeah, sounds like a governor.

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Speaker 2: Get over yourself? You know what the g and governor

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Speaker 2: stands for. Get over yourself. Yes, it's a weird title

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Speaker 1: Owner, is it that the governor?

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Speaker 3: I think it's better than owner. Frankly, really okay, you

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Speaker 1: But governor should be reserved for politics.

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Speaker 3: No, I feel like sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So I was watching Stanford football this past weekend and

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Speaker 6: It's a director of offense.

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Speaker 3: Director of offense. Not as cool as director of defense.

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Speaker 1: Uh do you like it better than coordinator?

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Speaker 3: I do. It's a nice little cry up.

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Speaker 1: What do you do? I direct the offense?

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Speaker 3: I don't know now, I like coordinate? What about orchestrate?

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Speaker 3: I'm an orchestrator of orchestrator. Offensive orchestrator would work better?

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Speaker 1: A double o? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Did you know that last year's Rookie of the

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Speaker 3: Year Stefan Castle by the rookie of the Year from

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Speaker 3: two seasons ago, Victor Webinama?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: No, that one you knew?

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Speaker 1: I did?

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Speaker 3: Castle of Ward? Where's number five?

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Speaker 1: Victor?

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Speaker 3: Where's number one? And so whenever they have an allube connection,

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Speaker 3: the announcer calls it area fifty one, which is a

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Speaker 3: great call. It's a couple of aliens. It's really just

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Speaker 3: one alien, but it's Defncastle can dunk, So I guess yes,

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Speaker 3: alien too. But that's uh, that's my only note from

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Speaker 3: the Spurs Warriors game last night. No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: Well, like you, I think what's fascinating about the NBA

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Speaker 2: so far is how bad Indiana is?

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Speaker 3: I did That's what's got you fascinated? Yes, yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: well they are. I did see this a chat GPT

465
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Speaker 3: or AI, I forget which one. It was a situation

466
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Speaker 3: where they predicted the next several MVPs and somewhere over

467
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Speaker 3: the next ten MVPs, Tyrese Haliburtn was in there and

468
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Speaker 3: I thought to myself, there's no way that guy can

469
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Speaker 3: be that meaningful to his team. And then I saw

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Speaker 3: the standings and yeah, he's pretty bad. And like, if

471
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Speaker 3: you consider changes, I mean, Miles Turner's gone too, so

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Speaker 3: they probably had to make some adjustments to how they

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Speaker 3: do things. But uh, I think it's more of a

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Speaker 3: mentality thing, Like you go from that ultimate high where

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Speaker 3: you were one game away from winning a championship, and

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Speaker 3: now you know nothing is gonna good, nothing good is

477
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Speaker 3: really going to come out of this year, so you

478
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Speaker 3: just kind of fall flat. I got what I feel

479
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Speaker 3: like it's happening to the Pacers, a team that is

480
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Speaker 3: so hell bent on pace, on really aggressive defense from

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Speaker 3: a few guys, and you're missing that guy who sets

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Speaker 3: the tone. It's hard. It's hard to say. Pascal Siakam

483
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Speaker 3: can do the same thing. So it's fascinating in the

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Speaker 3: term that it's unfortunate, but I think the reasoning is

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Speaker 3: pretty clear.

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Speaker 2: It's just fascinating from the standpoint of that was a team,

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out Eastern Conference finals, Like I thought

488
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Speaker 2: that we're gonna have a big time season.

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Speaker 1: They're off to a one and ten start.

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Speaker 2: Is he I wanted to ask you something NFL related

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Speaker 2: because we had Raheem mostered on in the first hour

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Speaker 2: and he was great. He essentially told me and mikey

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Speaker 2: A we were having a larger discussion that I've been

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Speaker 2: trying to have as to whether or not the quarterback

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Speaker 2: should be able to, if he's good enough, have a

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Speaker 2: say in whether or not you let go of your

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Speaker 2: head coach. In this case, we were talking about Jackson

498
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Speaker 2: Dart and Brian Dayball, who was fired earlier this week,

499
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Speaker 2: and then it kind of morphed into a conversation because

500
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Speaker 2: he's really tight with to it now. He has it

501
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Speaker 2: spoke in too about this, and so we asked Rahim

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Speaker 2: about the quarterback having decision making powers right, and we

503
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Speaker 2: asked him what he thought Tua would say if the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins came to him after the season and asked if

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel should stay on as head coach, and Rarehiem

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Speaker 2: moster kind of well, he said, uh. He said that

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Speaker 2: two would probably say no, move on from Mike McDaniel,

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Speaker 2: and I find that fascinating from this standpoint. Mike McDaniel

509
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Speaker 2: is the guy who kind of made Tua and got

510
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Speaker 2: to of that big contract. But what has happened this year,

511
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Speaker 2: especially the you know in recent weeks, has maybe scored

512
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Speaker 2: that relationship a little bit. And so Raheem thinks, based

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Speaker 2: on where they're at right now, the two would probably say,

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Speaker 2: let McDaniel go, let me first.

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Speaker 3: Say this that we are of course responding to not

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Speaker 3: to it to his friend Raheem, who has not spoken

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Speaker 3: a too on this subject, but is guessing. Okay, an

518
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Speaker 3: educated guesses yes.

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Speaker 2: And I phrased it at based on your knowledge, based

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Speaker 2: on what you know about too, well, how do you

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Speaker 2: think he would respond?

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to repeat that because I don't want

523
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Speaker 3: to make it sound like I am going in on

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Speaker 3: two as if Tua said this. But if that is

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Speaker 3: what Tua tunk Volo actually believes, then he is more

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Speaker 3: clueless than even I thought, because if you bail on

527
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Speaker 3: the guy who gave you your chance after you had

528
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Speaker 3: already been shit on by the previous head coach and

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Speaker 3: the guy who got you to the point where you

530
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Speaker 3: were leading the league in offense, leading the league in

531
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Speaker 3: passing rather and then you turn on him. You think

532
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Speaker 3: everybody else doesn't notice that, You think everybody else in

533
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Speaker 3: that locker room doesn't say what a disloyal piece of

534
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: shit for him to just turn on Mike McDaniel. Never

535
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Speaker 3: mind what you'd want to say internally and what you

536
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Speaker 3: believe internally publicly, if you are not supporting Mike McDaniel

537
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Speaker 3: in this situation, you just look like an asshole. You

538
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Speaker 3: just look like an ungrateful asshole if you're too a

539
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Speaker 3: tongue ilo. That's just flat out honest. And you know

540
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Speaker 3: those type of people that like, no matter what how

541
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Speaker 3: well things are going, they're always going to have something

542
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Speaker 3: in their back pocket to complain about. They're always going

543
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Speaker 3: to put some negativity somewhere. That's what that feels like

544
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Speaker 3: with this was where two was like always protecting himself

545
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Speaker 3: and saying, hey, if shit goes wrong, these are the

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Speaker 3: reasons I'm gonna be mad at Mike McDaniel as opposed to, hey,

547
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Speaker 3: it's on me, let me, you know, fix things. Let

548
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Speaker 3: me partner with this guy who seemed to be working

549
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Speaker 3: with for me and with me very well and figure

550
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Speaker 3: out what the problems are. I think it would be

551
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Speaker 3: complete bs if that's if that's the way to a win.

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Speaker 2: I would say that what's happened this season has fractured

553
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Speaker 2: that relationship only for I agree with everything you just said.

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Speaker 1: But when two was whether you agree with it or not?

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Speaker 2: When he stepped off after the game at that press conference,

556
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Speaker 2: said players are late to players only meetings, and McDaniel

557
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Speaker 2: did not support him in that, And I think that's

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Speaker 2: that's probable Lee why raheem leans towards to a say

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Speaker 2: because you want your coaches support. Okay, So when things

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Speaker 2: went out and in bad times and two was saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: these guys are late to my meetings, and McDaniel was saying, well, hey, they're.

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Speaker 3: Not late to my meetings. You know. It's so put

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Speaker 3: that on that sit well with do it?

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Speaker 1: There's no way it did.

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Speaker 3: Fine. Put that on on the on the cons part

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Speaker 3: of the list. When you're thinking of pros and cons.

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Speaker 3: As to why Mike McDaniel should be your head coach

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Speaker 3: or why you should support him.

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Speaker 2: I would only have won that list and that's fifty

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Speaker 2: five million dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the pros show me the money. You remember that

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Speaker 3: when he was just app shows you how corny he

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Speaker 3: all that stuff should be on the pros part of

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Speaker 3: the list, and he should defend Mike McDaniel at all costs.

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