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Speaker 3: I'll never forget when I had Natalie on the show,

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Speaker 1: is a This is not a I do it in

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Speaker 1: you mirror. This is not just I'm doing the moves

445
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Speaker 1: and you're following along. I have to learn how to

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Speaker 1: articulate my experience the experience and help guide you through

447
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Speaker 1: my articulation and my energy into your experience.

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Speaker 2: So it was like.

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Speaker 1: Learning connecting these dots of how do I describe what

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Speaker 1: any of this is? How do I talk about it

451
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Speaker 1: in myself? And that imposter syndrome that flares for me

452
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Speaker 1: every now and again. And at that time, when I

453
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Speaker 1: think about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, was I pieced a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of my stuff together like many other people do, right,

455
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Speaker 1: I didn't follow a traditional p I didn't graduate from

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Speaker 1: a specific school that led me to this. I didn't

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Speaker 1: go to college. I didn't get you know, the I

458
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Speaker 1: didn't go to some healing institute. Of all of the

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Speaker 1: things I learned from life experience, had really amazing teachers,

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Speaker 1: and yes, did a lot of studying and went through

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Speaker 1: different certifications. But standing up on that, Matt was the

462
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Speaker 1: imposter syndrome of do I have anything to offer? What

463
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Speaker 1: do I have to offer? I mean, why me?

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Speaker 3: What do you tell someone who tells you that they

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Speaker 3: are also often met with imposter syndrome?

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Speaker 1: Breathe, breathe, take a beat, and then let's evaluate what's

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Speaker 1: really happening. As I went through life, I've had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to work with people that have had all the

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Speaker 1: degrees that went to all the traditional things, that were

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Speaker 1: top level titles and great experiences, and then also the opposite,

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Speaker 1: the people that just made it happen, that just didn't

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Speaker 1: go and get the certifications and all the things, and

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Speaker 1: it looked different. So I would say, it can look different.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to look one way. That just what

475
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Speaker 1: was what I was.

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Speaker 2: Told it had to look one way.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have other examples and what do we know to

478
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Speaker 1: be true right now? Because what I've seen and throughout

479
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Speaker 1: my experience is.

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Speaker 2: In a way, we are kind of all making it up.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean making it.

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Speaker 1: Up from a bad way, But aren't we all just

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Speaker 1: kind of figuring it out? Aren't we all coming to

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Speaker 1: it from different angles? And what's to say that someone

485
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Speaker 1: else has it all figured out.

486
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Speaker 2: And you don't. Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And so when you start to put your claws into

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Speaker 3: the class, yeh, and you start teaching, and you start

489
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Speaker 3: understanding how to communicate a little bit more, let's say, effectively.

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Speaker 3: How does that feel for you?

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Speaker 2: So freeing, so liberating?

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Speaker 1: A piece of the puzzle that got to click click in.

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Speaker 1: There's something very cathartic with speaking your truth, and that

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Speaker 1: comes through as a student in the class when we're

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Speaker 1: vocalizing and using breath and sound. I'm also a big

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Speaker 1: believer of talk therapy. That works for me. And it's

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Speaker 1: also not just enough to talk about it, but to

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Speaker 1: talk and move at the same time and use breath

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Speaker 1: and sound and the energy and the music. All of

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Speaker 1: those pieces come together in such a beautiful way, and

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Speaker 1: it's just so powerful.

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Speaker 3: How did it manifest in the rest of your life,

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Speaker 3: the adding of this into your life.

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Speaker 1: I had some real heart to heart with myself of like, Okay, Jacy,

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Speaker 1: so now you're learning to do it over here, and

506
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Speaker 1: now you got to you gotta practice what you're what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. You gotta take it all into the areas

508
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Speaker 1: of your life, advocating for yourself, speaking up in those

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Speaker 1: relationships that historically had been felt suppressing for me, or

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Speaker 1: that I would shy away from speaking up or avoiding confrontation,

511
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Speaker 1: deferring to the louder voices or the bigger personalities, letting

512
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Speaker 1: myself kind of be steamrolled because I was recovering from

513
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Speaker 1: people pleasing and that person that wants it to be

514
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Speaker 1: copasetic and everyone to get along and not have it be.

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Speaker 2: Uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: So it challenged me to say, Okay, now you're doing

517
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Speaker 1: this here, what about here, here, here, and here that challenge?

518
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Speaker 1: How did the challenge make you feel?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, scared?

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Speaker 1: Scared and intimidated and excited to know that there was

521
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Speaker 1: real opportunity from many different angles, not just in what

522
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do as a as a facilitator and

523
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Speaker 1: a leader at the class or a teacher at the

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Speaker 1: class who I was standing for as someone that was

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Speaker 1: training other people in this method, and who I was

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Speaker 1: standing for as someone who didn't want to stand.

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Speaker 2: For that for other people.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's understandable that you felt all of

529
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Speaker 3: these emotions right, Scared, also a little bit excited, and

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Speaker 3: when you speak specifically about it, empowering you to take

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Speaker 3: stock of your relationships and understand maybe the patterns that

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Speaker 3: weren't serving you.

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Speaker 2: I've been there.

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Speaker 3: There have been many times where I've had to have

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Speaker 3: that talk with myself, asking myself, is this person is

536
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Speaker 3: this relationship really serving you? Is it making you as

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Speaker 3: happy as it once did? Or are you holding on

538
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Speaker 3: to that former level of happiness that is no longer?

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Speaker 2: And to be.

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Speaker 3: Able to step out from that situation can be so

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Speaker 3: so so difficult because even though at times that situation

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Speaker 3: may be let's say it disrespectful or toxic, toxic, it

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Speaker 3: still has this like resonating amount of comfort totally for

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Speaker 3: someone that's stuck in that, now, how do they get out?

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Speaker 1: There's something that Natalie says often, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: necessarily if she credits where she got this, but what

547
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Speaker 1: is familiar is not necessarily what is good for you?

548
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Speaker 2: And when we.

549
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Speaker 1: Start tracking our early environments and what we were exposed to.

550
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Speaker 1: There's an unconscious attraction to what is familiar, and that's

551
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Speaker 1: very different from what is good for you.

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Speaker 2: How you move through it.

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Speaker 1: With that courage to know it's going to be very

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable before it shifts. There is no transformation or change

555
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Speaker 1: or alchemy without pressure, compression, heat, confrontation. That's all necessary.

556
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Speaker 1: There's no skipping the line or magic bullet. So one

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Speaker 1: breath at a time, one moment at a time, and

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it's hard with that residue of maybe

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Speaker 1: it's serving still some kind of purpose, which is which

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Speaker 1: is like an old pattern or an old coping mechanism,

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Speaker 1: having some kind of support system, and whether that is

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Speaker 1: literally like a therapist or a sacred council. That is

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Speaker 1: the representation of the healthy is a barometer that is

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Speaker 1: important because you need to see it. You need to

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Speaker 1: feel health in some other capacity, whether that's a relationship

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Speaker 1: or in any other area, to be able now to

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Speaker 1: recognize it, so that you can determine the difference of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: right over here, we're going over here. That's over there,

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Speaker 1: we're going over here.

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Speaker 3: When do you gain an understanding that this is going

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Speaker 3: than simply teaching at a studio.

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Speaker 2: I started to see it.

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Speaker 1: When I first started teaching. I mean, I'll just name it.

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Speaker 1: It was not good, Like my glasses were not good.

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Speaker 2: We had everything from people coming.

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Speaker 1: In and seeing it was I mean, I love Tarin

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Speaker 1: and so I feel like I can say it like

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Speaker 1: seeing it wasn't her and just being like piece out, Bye,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick up my mat and leave, or like

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Speaker 1: into the second song, bye, I'm going to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: I've never gone back. And of course there was a

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Speaker 2: learning curve with anything, but it.

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Speaker 1: Was so drastic what was happening that I was committed to,

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Speaker 1: all Right, how do I make this better?

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Speaker 2: How do I make it better?

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Speaker 1: And in the space of you know, maybe it's anything

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Speaker 1: that you do in any vocation or career, but specifically

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Speaker 1: in energy and healing work, you are setting the tone.

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Speaker 1: So it's your tone that is co creating the experience.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not looking at your own tone or

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Speaker 1: energy or life experience, which is ultimately creating the container

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Speaker 1: or co creation, you're not really doing the job, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a little bit of like

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Speaker 1: check in and check out. So that's just what I

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Speaker 1: wanted for myself. I started to see that this was

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Speaker 1: not going to work by showing up and just clicking

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Speaker 1: in and being like I'm here to do my thing

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Speaker 1: and then clicking out. There was too much happening in

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Speaker 1: that separation that wasn't fully integrating into how I would

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Speaker 1: then show up the next time.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting because I think that speaks to your passion

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Speaker 3: and your deep commitment to the work, knowing that the

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Speaker 3: work is actually very tied to what you want to

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Speaker 3: do with your life and who you want to be.

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Speaker 3: Because there are certainly people that are listening to this

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Speaker 3: right now that will never feel that way about their work.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that your instinct was I'm going to

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Speaker 3: figure out how to make this better.

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Speaker 2: I want to keep this turned on.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to check out that says something about

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Speaker 3: you and what you arrived to this entire experience with

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Speaker 3: in the first place. I don't think one is necessarily

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Speaker 3: always better than the other or vice versa. Right, definitely,

664
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: because everyone has different priorities.

665
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Totally, totally and wherever you are in your life and

666
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: what you're focusing on. And there were plenty other jobs

667
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: that I had where I didn't feel that level of passion.

668
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not really that invested to go

669
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the extra mile or try to put in off the

670
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: clock time with my own research and my own things

671
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: and my own studying and my own self work. But

672
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: I started to see that, you know, the group or

673
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: the students or the experience of the class is only

674
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: going to go as far as where I am. So

675
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: if I want to give a wider range of experiences,

676
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I have to stretch that in myself.

677
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: How do you show up when you don't feel like

678
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: showing up?

679
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I do it. I drink that cup of coffee.

680
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm a capricorn, I'm the goat climbing the mountain like

681
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: I just fucking do it.

682
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get up. I know this is not about me, right,

683
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm here in service. I'm here. I mean

684
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: this is person what I believe.

685
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm here in service of some kind of greater good

686
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: and that is so much bigger than me that my

687
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: moments of fatigue or I didn't get enough sleep is

688
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: a is a grain of sand to potentially how some

689
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: of the students are showing up in what they need

690
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: and that bigger picture and approach of what we're doing

691
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: is the thing that motivates me to show up.

692
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that still doesn't mean that showing up is easy. No,

693
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: And over the last few years, pandemic a big move

694
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: things going on in your personal life. I am sure

695
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: that there have been times where maybe it did feel

696
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: harder than others. Totally talk to me about the how then.

697
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: Observing where I am so part of my process before

698
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I teach is I don't want to ever bring any

699
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: of my own shit or residue or stuff to project

700
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: into the room. So part of that is and am

701
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I saying that I get that perfect every single time?

702
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely not saying get.

703
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: A perfect every time, But there is a moment of

704
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: what do I need to do right now to not

705
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: have this come into the room.

706
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: Is it crying in my car? Because I do that

707
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: a lot.

708
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: I put the music up really loud, I scream, I

709
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: yell all sorts of stuff in my car.

710
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: My car is like my little bubble. Even in New York.

711
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: We were blessed to have a car in Brooklyn.

712
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: But I would go in the car and just scream

713
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: and cry and do whatever I had to do to

714
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: make space for me to go and create that space

715
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: for others. Yeah, a lot of self talk, a lot

716
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: of like a pep talk for myself, playing different kinds

717
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: of music to shift my energy and mood, sometimes removing

718
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: myself from a situation that was weighing on me, Like

719
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: I just need to change my environment. Let me go outside,

720
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: take a walk, let me very specific people that I

721
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: know I cannot talk to on the phone before I

722
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: teach my class, Like nope, not taking that call right

723
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: now to do that later, but knowing what are the

724
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: tools that I can do right now to shift my energy.

725
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's taking a shower, Sometimes it's taking a bath.

726
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like changing my clothes.

727
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of awareness here, and that awareness

728
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: doesn't just show up overnight and so knowing that these

729
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: are things that are within your control, you can control

730
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: the controllables. That doesn't mean that it makes any of

731
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: the uncontrollable any less, maybe anxiety inducing or whatnot, but

732
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: it means that you have a firm grasp on what

733
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: you can do with any situation. And that's hard to

734
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: come to terms with, especially when things do feel bigger

735
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: than you. What would you say, over the last let's

736
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: give it three years, has felt bigger than you? I

737
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: mean one for sure, the pandemic, right, there's no controlling

738
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: that or how that was going to affect all of

739
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: our lives.

740
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Personally.

741
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I've been on a fertility journey for a very long

742
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: reframe very long, maybe since maybe like around four or

743
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: five years, and I don't have any control over that. Definitely,

744
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: health stuff throughout my fertility journey. In the very beginning,

745
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: via all the testing and preparation, they found a calcification

746
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: in my breast that was pre cancerous surgery. All those

747
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: things definitely bigger than me. Being newly married, figuring out

748
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: how to coexist, yeah, both working from home, newly married,

749
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: all the things definitely bigger, bigger than me.

750
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I love about you?

751
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: JC is.

752
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: You have such a kind of compassionate soul and a

753
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: softness to you, but you're also firm, and you have

754
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: so much power, and I think often we hear that

755
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: you can be both kind and firm, but it is

756
00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: a hard line to walk, and you also radiate so

757
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: much joy, and so to hear you going through those things,

758
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: thank you for sharing that with me and with us.

759
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: But also I'm sure that it really resonates with someone

760
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: listening to this that may also be going through the

761
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: things that feel bigger than them. I know that it

762
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: can be so challenging to feel like you don't have

763
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: agency over your own body, which you have already stated

764
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: is something that is so important for you to move

765
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: with and to work with and to be in kind

766
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: of cohoots with.

767
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: So how do you come back to calm a lot

768
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: of compassion? You know, I'll start a lot of it

769
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: by breathing, like, take a breath, and then the compassion

770
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: for our bodies in a way that is not hating

771
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: on them. Because of this, you could look at it

772
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: as a roadblock, right, You could be like, why is

773
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: this happening to me? How did this happen? I did

774
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: all the things I'm healthy and this and that my

775
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: body's failing me. There's maybe an out projection of what

776
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: did you do wrong? How come you can't do this?

777
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: How come you you know, how'd you let this happen?

778
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: And tuning out all of that noise, because what you're

779
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: our bodies are not going to heal from more judgment,

780
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: shame and anger. They're going to heal from love, just

781
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: like an animal or a plant or a child does.

782
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: It needs to be watered.

783
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't need punishment, you know, I'm not talking about

784
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: being firm.

785
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: But punishment.

786
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: So a big part of what we do is is

787
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: coming into harmonization. So in all of those situations, it's like, yes,

788
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: acknowledge that it sucks, acknowledge that this is not what

789
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: you thought was going to happen, have a space to

790
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: have all of those feelings. Because for me going through that,

791
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: the like, hey, just stay positive.

792
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: That shit was not cutting it for me. That was

793
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: not working for me.

794
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: And and that could be partly my disposition that I'm

795
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: I feel things very deeply, and but if if we

796
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: just ignore what's we're real feeling, that's going to create

797
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: less harmony and what we're working towards is that harmonization

798
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: in all those parts of ourselves so that the body

799
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: could actually do what it does to heal some and

800
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: some capacity. So it's like if we're at war the

801
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: whole time, and that could be applied from like the

802
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: number on the scale, the size.

803
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: Of your close.

804
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: It clothes whatever diagnosis you've been given, which does not

805
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: have to be your life sentence. This is not how

806
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: you're going to like live the rest of your lives

807
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: carrying around this like infertility stamp. Coming back to calm

808
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: or presence is not has to come from love and compassion.

809
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: How do you not lose the faith?

810
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I will be honest that of course you

811
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: lose it.

812
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: It's you lose it. You wake up and you're like

813
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah, now what?

814
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm still working with this thing. Today's a hard day.

815
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's about like how do you

816
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: not lose it? Maybe it's just knowing you will feel

817
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: days where it doesn't feel there, but that doesn't mean

818
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: that it's gone.

819
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: It's like, then what do you do? Who that was powerful?

820
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: There are days that you might not feel it, but

821
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that it's gone. It's like the sun.

822
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: There are days. It's cloudy out right now. Yeah, you

823
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: know what I dressed for today? Eighty five and sunny.

824
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: You know what's going on.

825
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel so I have on a furry sweater

826
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: and like literally my fall jacket clearly like lives in California,

827
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: doesn't live in California.

828
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: But the fact is is that I know that it's

829
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: up there. Yeah, and it's something that you can go

830
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: back to and you can believe, I'll never forget. When

831
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 3: I sat down with Neka Ogu mackay, she's a WNBA player,

832
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: and we were talking about we were talking about her

833
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: experience with depression, and she likened it too sitting inside

834
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: of a room and the curtains are drawn and you

835
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: have the ability to reach and touch the curtains, but

836
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: for some reason that you cannot explain, you're incapable of

837
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: drawing them and feeling the sun and feeling the warmth.

838
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: But you know it's there, but you're just stuck, right,

839
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: And so to keep that faith and be resilient despite

840
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: it feeling as though everything is working against you. It's relatable,

841
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: it is heartbreaking. It is also a beautiful sentiment to

842
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: what we are capable of and what you have been

843
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: capable of since you've been going through this journey.

844
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: We are not preparing for the days when it's perfect.

845
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: We say this a lot in the class, like we're

846
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: not practicing for the day you wake up and you're like,

847
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: life is fucking amazing and I feel great. Those days

848
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: will come great, celebrate them. It's what about all of

849
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: the other days when it's just not right at your fingertips?

850
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: This is where the tools and coming back to. All Right,

851
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel like doing it, but I'm gonna go

852
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: move my body. I don't feel like drinking water today,

853
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: but I know that.

854
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: That's good for me. I don't feel like.

855
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Maybe getting together with that friend where I'm going to

856
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: have to be honest, but I know that's one of

857
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: the tools in my tool belt.

858
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

859
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: It's also funny because you can liken it to getting

860
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: into a new relationship and you in those first like

861
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: three or four dates, it's like all excited and giddy

862
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: and whatever, and it's beautiful.

863
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: But the fact is is that.

864
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: You can do good times with anyone, but you can't

865
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: do bad times with everyone. So what happens when the

866
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: curtains are drawn and you can't open it up. How

867
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: does that person show up for you? And is that

868
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 3: in a way that serves you truly? And then going

869
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: back to what we started to talk about before, being

870
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: honest with yourself. If the answer is no, because you

871
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: can't hold on to the good times and pretend that

872
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: that feeling is going to sink in when you have

873
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: other unhappiness in your life.

874
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh, because that's I mean, that is what it is.

875
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: There's it would be. We would be gaslighting ourselves if

876
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: we did not allow ourselves to be really honest of

877
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: all of those other days. You know what I mean,

878
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: like this, why don't I feel happy today? Why isn't

879
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: and everything working out? Life is supposed to be this

880
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: and this that we would be gaslighting ourselves. What's next

881
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: for you? If you don't mind me asking what's next? Well,

882
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm here now in Los Angeles. I'm loving living in

883
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: La class Wise, we have the La Studio going. I'm

884
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: about to go to San Francisco do some pop ups

885
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: and then lead the class for treatment in Bali, which

886
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about. We have launched yoga and meditation

887
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: at the class. We're launching an audio series where you

888
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: can take meditation, walking meditation, yoga, the class itself outside

889
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: and do the practice with us off staring at a screen.

890
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: Lots more retreats and events and all the things happening

891
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: all over And then you know, a big piece also

892
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: me moving out here personally was giving my body a

893
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: chance to heal. There's a lot of procedures that go

894
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: into the fertility journey. There's a lot of poking and

895
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: prodding and a lot of things that don't necessarily feel

896
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: great and hormones and medicine, which, thank goodness, those things exist,

897
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: but I've realized it, Yeah, like it. None of that

898
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: stuff just automatically shifts when you stop doing it. There's

899
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: a physical residue and an energetic residue. So I'm giving

900
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: myself permission of you know, like let's hike, Let's have

901
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: time when I'm not working to take walks. Let's be

902
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: in that state where my body can do what it

903
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: needs to do and stay open to what this potentially

904
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: will look like for me in building a family if

905
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: that's what we do.

906
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: I told you what my perception is of you, and

907
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure like someone goes maybe to your social media

908
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: and they see this woman who is a VP at

909
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: the class, and she's teaching, and she has these wisdoms.

910
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: But when you look in the mirror, what is it

911
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: that you see looking back at you.

912
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: I see someone that is choosing to get up for

913
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: another day. I see someone that is committed to keep going.

914
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I see someone who's not is choosing not to escape

915
00:51:52,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: and numb the pain. I see someone who's not afraid

916
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: to be.

917
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: Vulnerable and raw and wailing to learn still be a student.

918
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: I know this word sensitive gets misused and can have

919
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: a negative connotation to it, But as I've learned more

920
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: about it and look at it from a place of sensing,

921
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: which I believe, we're all sensitive, right, and people are like, oh,

922
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: you feel too much, you're sensitive, and then it becomes

923
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: this bad thing, and then people it can be told

924
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: to us in a way of gaslighting our feelings. But

925
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: I see someone who is highly sensitive and not from

926
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: a place of experiencing life in their sensing body.

927
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: That's an interesting definition and I really appreciate it. But

928
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: there had to be times where you just completely broke down.

929
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh one thousand and those days still occur, definitely. Yeah, where.

930
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: What is needed is the curl up in a ball

931
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: on the ground and sob and whale, and I think

932
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: that that's healthy.

933
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I think that.

934
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: That like a once weekly crying question over here.

935
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, or cancel all the things, cancel the plans, stay home,

936
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: or go outside when you're not supposed to be outside,

937
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but this work has helped reframe that

938
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't I've never saw people break down before.

939
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: I never that was not like, this is part of living,

940
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: this is part of being human. It was hold it in,

941
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: don't talk about.

942
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: It and perform or you know.

943
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: So when there are moments in class this is this

944
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: happened this week. There were a couple people processing very deeply,

945
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: and in that moment, I was just so grateful. I

946
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: was like, how amazing that not only do we get

947
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: to do this, but there are other people in here

948
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: that are going to be affected by this in such

949
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: a great way. To know that that is part of

950
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: the human experience.

951
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

952
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: I love the way that you elanguage that processing so deeply.

953
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: That is definitely a vernacular that has been shared in

954
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: a way that makes it seem better than there was.

955
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: This person breaking down on that free yeah.

956
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've been there, right, And when we

957
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: go through these moments where we quote unquote process so deeply.

958
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: I have never come out on the other side and

959
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: thought to myself, damn, I wish I hadn't done that.

960
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: No, you're not like that was a waste of time. No. Never.

961
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: In the moment leading up to it, there's resistance, probably

962
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: because we don't spend as much time there and it's

963
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: maybe unfamiliar, and for myself personally, there was a residue

964
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: of fear that I wouldn't be able to come out

965
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: of it. Once you know you can come out of it,

966
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: going into it makes it way less scary.

967
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 3: I also think that in the moment when that is happening,

968
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: the quote unquote processing, there's also a certain amount of

969
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: shame that can be around that, especially in an environment

970
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: where that processing is happening in any sort of public

971
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: setting or anyone's around, even if they're your most compassionate

972
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: and beautiful lover. It's like sometimes were made to feel

973
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: as though we shouldn't be emotional, you shouldn't be vocal,

974
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be angry, whatever it is, insert emotion here,

975
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: And when you get to a place as you're describing that,

976
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: you understand that these emotions are inherently human that it

977
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: enables you to get past that shame with time, with time,

978
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: and then get to the other side.

979
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: Yep. And in those situations there's a reminder there, like

980
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily safe to process with everybody, you know,

981
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Like there are lots of people who will not be

982
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: able to hold space for you, and they could be

983
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: just not equipped, they could be didn't have that exposure

984
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: in their life, but it's uncomfortable for them, So of

985
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: course the're not gonna be a hold space for you.

986
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: So knowing that discernment of okay, over here not over there,

987
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't break down with everybody. I don't break down

988
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: in every situation.

989
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: I've learned that.

990
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Carving out that space for yourself and knowing where you

991
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: can do that is self care.

992
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: I think that communication of like how can I show

993
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: up for you? Yes, that's what's important.

994
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: Definitely important. And Terry Real, who's written a bunch of

995
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: books about relationships and he's a therapist and an author

996
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: and speaker, he talks about holding space and I love

997
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: his definition of it. It's without judgment or agenda, because

998
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: sometimes holding space is like it can feel really woul wuie,

999
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: like oh, I'm a holding.

1000
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: Space for you.

1001
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: But then it's like, well, what is it and what

1002
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: is a space that allows somebody to feel safe? If

1003
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: we can approach whoever it is without any agenda or judgment,

1004
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: sometimes that's the greatest gift we can give somebody.

1005
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

1006
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: Everyone gets to make the decisions that work best for

1007
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: their boundaries, right, and understanding and coming to terms with

1008
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: what those boundaries are is part of the human experience.

1009
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know that there was yoga and meditation now.

1010
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we launched it a couple months ago on the platform,

1011
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: and so you can take yoga with us in studio

1012
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: and on the digital platform.

1013
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: The class going somewhere beyond LA and New York.

1014
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: Question mark, Oh, the million dollar questions. We would love

1015
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: to be everywhere? Of course, we would love to be everywhere.

1016
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: I think right now we're committed to growing here Los

1017
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: Angeles and the other programs that we do where it's

1018
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: retreats and immersions and then seeing what's possible.

1019
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, good answer, Yeah, I mean, good answer.

1020
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: Good answer.

1021
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Selfishly, of course, I'm like, yeah, let's go to Miami,

1022
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to Portugal, let's go let's go to all

1023
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: these places.

1024
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: Portugal, and you're like, we can go there, Let's go

1025
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: to Austin. Let's be great. Yes, that'll be great.

1026
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, my friend, we're at the final question.

1027
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: Yea.

1028
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: Right now you have the opportunity to offer yourself a

1029
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: piece of advice when you're in the thick of the

1030
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like I can do this anymore,

1031
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: knowing what you know now on your journey, what do

1032
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: you tell yourself during that hurdle moment?

1033
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: You can? You can.

1034
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be hard, and then there will be

1035
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: a moment where it shifts. There's something here for you, you

1036
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: just might not be able to see it yet. Yeah,

1037
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: trust that this is for your greatest good, so powerful.

1038
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: Whatever's following apart needs to fall apart. There's a rebuilding

1039
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: process somewhere in some moment of time.

1040
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, the fall apart always gets me. Ah, I'm

1041
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: so happy that we did this. Thank you so much.

1042
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: Jac If people don't follow, if the hurdlers don't yet

1043
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: follow along with you or the class give us the lowdown,

1044
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: how can they do that?

1045
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: Yes, if you.

1046
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: Would like to follow along with me, you can see

1047
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: me on Instagram at jcy Gossip All Things Class related

1048
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: heads to the class dot com, and you can follow

1049
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: us on social at the Class.

1050
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: At the Class I'm Over, at Hurdle Podcast, and at

1051
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: Emily a Body Another Hurdle Conquered.

1052
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.