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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and President Trump says, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: basket case. We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Project z own Rick Wilson joins us to

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Speaker 1: discuss the ticking time bomb of Trump's economy and the

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Speaker 1: White House Correspondence dinner incident. Then we'll talk to former

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes about his run for governor

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Speaker 1: of the Great State of Wisconsin for First the News.

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Speaker 2: So, I think the White House Correspondence dinner stuff has

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Speaker 2: been talked to death.

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Speaker 3: Youw and Rick are going to talk about it a

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Speaker 3: little later, So.

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Speaker 2: I want to focus on some of the things I've

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Speaker 2: gotten buried in that, such as that Senator Tom Tillis

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Speaker 2: seems to drop his blockade against Kevin worsh becoming the

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Speaker 2: leader of the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 1: So the administration has officially dismissed its bogus investation into

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Speaker 1: FED chair Jerome Powell. Jerome Powell who was put in

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Speaker 1: the job by Donald Trump. But Donald Trump doesn't remember

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Speaker 1: because it was Trump one point zero. A few thoughts

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Speaker 1: about this justice box of wine. Justice Janine said that

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Speaker 1: she actually was not going to drop her investigation into this. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's what she said. Maybe maybe not, who knows. But

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Speaker 1: the point of this whole story is that Tillis shows

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Speaker 1: us that if Republicans want, they can do things. And

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Speaker 1: he thinks it's important because we're in this moment now

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Speaker 1: where Donald Trump has entered like mad King territory. He's

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Speaker 1: senators on the Democratic side and on the Republican side

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Speaker 1: who are saying things like, well, you know, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: we can do. It cannot be helped. And I think

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Speaker 1: that Tom Taylor is a really good example of how

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Speaker 1: they're quite frankly, there's a lot of shit you can do,

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Speaker 1: and this is a great example. So Donald Trump needs

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Speaker 1: this vote to confirm Fed Reserve nominee Kevin Walsh. So

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Speaker 1: Tillis says, no, I'm not going to fucking do it

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Speaker 1: until you don't drop this investigation into the Fed chair. Again, like,

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Speaker 1: think of all the other things that Republicans could do

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Speaker 1: not going to do anything until you get rid of

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. You'll remember, RFK Junior is causing measles outbreaks

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Speaker 1: all over this country. Right, He's canceled the kind of

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Speaker 1: scientific research that might save your father's life. Like right,

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Speaker 1: I mean cancer research, the kind of stuff the mRNA

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Speaker 1: research that could cure pancreatic cancer. That research is being

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Speaker 1: science and is obsessed with cutting off pieces of dead

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Speaker 1: from last week, the raccoon penis story that RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: I made a video about it. It's on the internet.

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Speaker 1: Dear God, everything has gotten so dark. But the point

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Speaker 1: do anything, they fucking can And this Tom Tillis's example

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Speaker 1: is a great example of how everyone is lying to you.

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Speaker 2: Yep, speaking of big, big lies. Okay, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do a little bit of a recap here. Two

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Speaker 2: years ago, we had on this candidate, Susan Altman, who

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Speaker 2: was running against Tom kan Junior, who's the former governor

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Speaker 2: of New Jersey's son. And it represents the district I

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Speaker 2: pay attention to since my in laws within it.

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Speaker 1: I know, and you love New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I love New Jersey. So the point being, he has

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Speaker 2: not shown up to Congress for almost two months for

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Speaker 2: health related things, but somehow is still trading stocks real,

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Speaker 2: real fast. Yeah, ain't that America, Molly.

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Speaker 1: It is, but it fucking shouldn't be. And again this

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Speaker 1: adds to my nonpartisan rage. Yeah what the fuck? Man, Like,

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Speaker 1: none of you should be trading stocks, even if you're

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Speaker 1: healthy and voting. And again, by the way, missing votes.

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Speaker 1: We don't mind Republicans missing votes, that is actually good,

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Speaker 1: but we do mind everyone trading stocks. Democrats, Republicans. Democrats,

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Speaker 1: people we obviously cannot trust is there will have been

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Speaker 1: president and vice president. Absolutely insane. But I just want

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Speaker 1: to say two other things about this, which is, we

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Speaker 1: members of Congress trading stocks. That's a fucking eighty twenty issue.

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Speaker 1: No one wants that. That is the real nobody wants this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 2: The other good news though, is this is a very

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Speaker 2: even cook PBI district, especially in this environment. The Democratic

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Speaker 2: primary is coming up right now. Recording to Ballotipedia, Tom

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Speaker 2: Kaine Junior is unopposed, so this looks like a very

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, let me just say, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democratic comms people listen to this podcast quite a lot,

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Speaker 1: so we will have the candidates on running against Tom

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Speaker 1: Kine Junior. All we want from them is that their

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Speaker 1: first order of business when Democrats get back the House

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Speaker 1: things we want from them is a complete ban on

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Speaker 1: elected officials trading stocks any which way, and investigations into

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Speaker 1: all of the corruption that Donald Trump and his administration

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Speaker 1: have been doing for the last two plus years.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So after we get done taping, we started to

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Speaker 2: get news that since Trump keeps getting struck down in

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Speaker 2: the courts, they're of course belligerent in their actions and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to scare people. They don't want people

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Speaker 1: they're safe here. This stuff is all going to like this,

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Speaker 1: They're going to lose this stuff in court. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even the Supreme Court, which does truly is filled with

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Speaker 1: So these are people who, I mean, this is so

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Speaker 1: incredibly stupid. They want to to denaturalize people who are

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Speaker 1: I think this one is foreign born Americans. So this

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Speaker 1: with Marco Rubio because he is a foreign born child

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Speaker 1: of an American citizen. None of this works in court. They're

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Speaker 1: just trying to scare people. It's also just, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the heartiest fuck you to Steven Miller who cooked this up,

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Speaker 1: no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the National Science Board numbers were told by

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration they're all terminated over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am shocked to hear that Donald Trump fired

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Speaker 1: more scientists. And this is why I'm so angry about

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Speaker 1: the RFK stuff and the ways in which like Tom tillis,

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Speaker 1: it's such a great example, and this gets back to

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Speaker 1: the Kevin Walsh Wals thing. Tom tillis, Okay, my man,

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Speaker 1: you can get Trump to drop and inventstigation of bogus investigation,

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Speaker 1: then you could get him to stop doing shit like this,

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Speaker 1: Like you have more power than you say you do,

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Speaker 1: and like, so do stuff like this, Like we need

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Speaker 1: to have science boards, we need to have science, We

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Speaker 1: you know why, because the environment is as as sketchy

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Speaker 1: which way, and like, we're going to need the science

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Speaker 1: to provide the cures for the cancers we're all about

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Speaker 1: to get. And so it is very infuriating to me

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Speaker 1: to watch these Republicans go along with stuff they know,

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that they were really pushing

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Speaker 2: is RFK was saying it, this is the most transparent

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Speaker 1: His week of hearings.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yes, the most of Bali Bali Bali ges geez.

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Speaker 1: I'm just acting at the Darth Vader stuff. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he breathed really hard. I don't know if he's zinned.

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Speaker 2: like my dog would. It's snoring a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So then we get a headline like this, because

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Speaker 2: over alarming memo allowing officials to delete records.

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Speaker 1: They are obsessed with trying to make it hard to

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Speaker 1: keep presidential records. And that's because they're doing crimes. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, this is like why they keep losing a

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Speaker 1: why they wanted to delete records because they're doing stuff

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Speaker 2: It, or they're enriching themselves, right.

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Speaker 1: But that's also illegal. I mean, I think you should

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Speaker 1: assume they're enriching themselves. Yes, but like you know, it

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Speaker 1: just is the idea. They are Louise transparent white House

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Dumbest dumbst Dumbest Timeline.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of The Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of The Lincoln Project podcast. Rick Wilson, Hello, Mollie. So,

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Speaker 1: a big pressure on the economy that we're not really

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Speaker 1: talking about is the Straits. And Donald Trump said the

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Speaker 1: Straits of removes had nothing to do with us because

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Speaker 1: we don't get oil and gas there. But what he

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Speaker 1: if oil is cut from somewhere else, it becomes more

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Speaker 3: Look, it's a global market. It's priced globally, not locally.

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Speaker 3: If oil is priced like, you know, if oil is

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Speaker 3: other factors obtained, maybe we would not have this economic

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Speaker 3: calamity staring us in the ass the straits. But we do.

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Speaker 3: That's part of what should scare people about the economy

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Speaker 3: right now. But it ain't the only part. We got

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Speaker 3: a lot, We've got a lot of stuff going wrong.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the last twenty four hours there have been

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Speaker 3: stories about record farm bankruptcies. Not great, nobody will great,

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Speaker 3: nobody should be happy about that.

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Speaker 1: You never want to break records with bankruptcies, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, that's all often bad. You've got you got a

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Speaker 3: you want.

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Speaker 1: To break records with, like, you know, people saving money, Yeah, jobs.

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Speaker 3: You don't want the record to be higher highest credit

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Speaker 3: card debt in American history.

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Speaker 1: Not good, not really not not.

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Speaker 3: Not where you want to have your uh, your administration's

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Speaker 3: you know, bread buttered if you're looking to save your

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Speaker 3: ass in the midterm elections. And I just think I

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Speaker 3: think we've gotten to the point where where people where

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Speaker 3: people the you know, the yes, Donald Trump is a terrible, horrible,

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Speaker 3: no good president in a million different ways. But that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm being extremely generous about this. And in

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Speaker 1: Well, then let's have ballrooms for all the schools. Let's

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Speaker 1: Or we could just do gun control. I know, not

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Speaker 3: Look, one of the things that other presidents have faced

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Speaker 3: That's why I know ballroom? Right, all president wanted a ballroom.

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Speaker 3: It's bullshit. Barack Obama fifteen assassination plots against him, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: magical ballroom. I think. Actually it was a real tell

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Speaker 1: Fact, right, And he was a floor away and eight.

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Speaker 1: not the number one thing we're thinking about is I

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Speaker 1: think real. And then the other thing I would say

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Speaker 1: is that on the ballroom situation, like he's already mid

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Speaker 1: renovation with the ballroom, cannot stop talking about it, wildly unpopular,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, it just could not be more on Popu.

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Speaker 1: But also I have to say, like I find the

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Speaker 1: whole thing really upsetting because it also does speak to

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Speaker 1: the fact that, like, we journalists should not be hanging

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Speaker 1: out with politicians unless we're reporting on them and the

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Speaker 1: whole optics of it and what you see, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen from this is people are really angry, right, Sure,

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Speaker 1: they feel really angry. They feel like their politicians are

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Speaker 1: not delivering for them, and they feel like their media

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Speaker 1: are too close and cozy with their politicians. And so

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Speaker 1: here's an event that's like, look, we're close and cozy

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Speaker 1: with your politicians, and we're all dressed up, like it's

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Speaker 1: just so self aggrandizing, and like, do the scholarships, but

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Speaker 1: don't do the fucking parties.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's human, Okay, everybody likes everybody likes to socialize,

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Speaker 3: Everybody likes to party all that stuff. I think the

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Speaker 3: bigger problem is not the White House Correspondence Center every year.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the increasing pressure on all media from people

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Speaker 3: who own the media. You know, CBS had fifteen tables

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Speaker 3: there last night because they're now owned by Trump super fans,

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Speaker 3: the Ellison's. And you know, Barry Weiss was the queen

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Speaker 3: of every party this week because she held a party

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Speaker 3: at the with the White House for paramount and and

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Speaker 3: and the new ownership group that owns CBS. All of

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Speaker 3: these people in the ownership space are the ones who

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Speaker 3: actually have started to make everybody pull their punches. The

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Speaker 3: Washington Post is a shadow of its former self when

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Speaker 3: it comes to covering the White House. They're not aggressive

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Speaker 3: at all. They're like, and look, there are some great

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Speaker 3: reporters sold at the Post, don't mistake.

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Speaker 1: Right, But their.

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Speaker 3: Editorial page and their managing editor is a guy who

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Speaker 3: clearly does not want them covering Donald Trump. You look

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Speaker 3: at the two competing headlines from last week, one of

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Speaker 3: them from Texas, like, oh, the Texas Democrat freak out

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Speaker 3: over redistricting, right and then and then when Virginia happens,

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Speaker 3: their headline is Democrats destroying democracy, whatever it was, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: but I think there's a bigger problem with journalism, and

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Speaker 3: it's wanting to maintain access at the White House and

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Speaker 3: with the administration, and it's corporate ownership pulling punches. I

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Speaker 3: think that that is a bigger problem than people get

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Speaker 3: playing dress up one night a year.

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Speaker 1: So those are both editorials on the editorial page. And

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Speaker 1: I would argue, and I say this as someone who

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Speaker 1: writes editorials, that editorials are a bigger problem than reporting.

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Speaker 1: And yes, corporate ownership is a real problem. But like

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Speaker 1: you and I both sometimes write on substack, and substack

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Speaker 1: does not have much reporting. It has a lot of

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Speaker 1: hot takes, and so while hot takes are great, you

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Speaker 1: can't find the corruption. You can't root it out without

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Speaker 1: the reporting. And so like, ultimately, the way we got

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Speaker 1: here was a lack of media literacy, people not seeing

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Speaker 1: that reporting and editorial is totally different.

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Speaker 3: We have devalued and this is partly and look, I will,

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Speaker 3: I will, I will. I hate doing both sides of them,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to do a little bit of both

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Speaker 3: sizes them right now. It is partly because the right

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Speaker 3: has waged a fifty year campaign to discredit all reporting

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Speaker 3: against it. It is absolutely worked, Momy, It is absolutely worked.

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Speaker 3: You go back and read the Powell memo from nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy one, Future Justice Powell writes a memo about how

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Speaker 3: consent build their own ecosystem of media, to build their

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Speaker 3: own outlets, newspapers, radios all at the time, that was

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Speaker 3: that was the technology, right, they did it. And what

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Speaker 3: was the main thing that Fox and Cock Radio have done.

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Speaker 3: It has meant to say anything the mainstream media tells

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Speaker 3: you is a lie, so we can have the country.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's all a lie. You know, you could

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Speaker 3: catch Donald Trump taken a briefcase full of cash. They won't.

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Speaker 3: It will never penetrate that bubble. And on the and

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Speaker 3: on the and on the more progressive and liberal side,

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Speaker 3: they see media losing its ability to change the narrative

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Speaker 3: and change outcomes in the public space, and so they

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Speaker 3: sort of walked away from it, made it less profitable,

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Speaker 3: made it less viable. And and look, I again, I

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Speaker 3: think the structural problems are a lot bigger than one

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Speaker 3: charity dinner. And I think in this era, the access

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Speaker 3: media problem, particularly with this White House, it has been

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Speaker 3: something that you cannot deny Is is making people less

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Speaker 3: trusting in the media.

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Speaker 1: But I also think people are just furious and that

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Speaker 1: is not I mean, you see you, and I see that,

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Speaker 1: we get the emails, we see the stuff. People are

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Speaker 1: fucking mad and they're going to stay that way. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is With Wilson.

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Speaker 3: I'm asked, come back, you know it.

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Speaker 1: Mandela Barns is the former Wisconsin Lieutenant governor and a

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Speaker 1: candidate for governor of Wisconsin. Welcome, Welcome, Mandela Barnes.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thanks so much for having us.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to first talk about a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what happened to you in twenty two, because I

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Speaker 1: interviewed you in twenty two and I thought this guy

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Speaker 1: is great, and he's running for Senate, and he's running

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Speaker 1: against Ron Johnson, or as Charlie Sykes, who was at

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Speaker 1: one time his friend calls him Ron and on right

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Speaker 1: because of his love of every conspiracy theory he's ever seen.

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Speaker 1: You were running for Senate, you got a few bad polls,

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Speaker 1: So talk us through what happened in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, twenty twenty two when I ran for the US Senate,

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Speaker 5: it ended up being the closest Senate racingist state in

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Speaker 5: over one hundred years. It was the closest challenge to

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Speaker 5: any incumbent in the entire country, and having come up

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Speaker 5: short just throughout two twenty six thousand votes is something

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Speaker 5: you obviously think about every single day. We were able

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Speaker 5: to do this despite being counted out from the very beginning,

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Speaker 5: despite being drastically outspent.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about over fifty.

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Speaker 5: Million dollars in negative advertise, and I was the target

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Speaker 5: of the single largest anti Democratic candidate super pack in

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Speaker 5: the entire country across American We still came up shot

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Speaker 5: just one point because we did to organize the work,

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Speaker 5: We built the coalitions that were necessary to win. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: the outside support that was there for the other side

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Speaker 5: wasn't necessarily there for me in the end. However, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think about that race, how things went, and that's

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Speaker 5: ultimately what floor my decision to run for governor now,

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Speaker 5: to ensure that we do the organizing work necessary so

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Speaker 5: that we don't have to have these twenty six thousand

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Speaker 5: vote margin elections and we can actually win with some comfort.

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Speaker 5: And I think we can absolutely do it, but the

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Speaker 5: work starts now.

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Speaker 4: In fact, the work starting.

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Speaker 1: So you were a lieutenant governor and one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons the Democratic machine saw some bad polls and did

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Speaker 1: not support you, So you didn't get institutional money when

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Speaker 1: you were running in twenty twenty two. That's just relevant

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Speaker 1: because it shows that you really overperformed despite not getting money.

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Speaker 1: And it also it shows how these polls can really

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Speaker 1: be foullible, right, Yeah, for.

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Speaker 4: Sure, for sure.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we overperformed this generic ballot, and you know,

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Speaker 5: it was still a tough year for Democrats, and as

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Speaker 5: I mentioned or no incumbent lost a wide in my

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Speaker 5: race was absolutely the closest and the money, the outside

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Speaker 5: money the third party spent it is where we absolutely

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Speaker 5: got hammered. Candidate for candidate, I raised about a million

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Speaker 5: or two more than my opponent. We did the work,

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Speaker 5: we did everything we were supposed to, and some of

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Speaker 5: that third party funding was sent to other places that

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Speaker 5: had significantly higher margins and we ended up loosing.

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Speaker 1: You were lieutenant governor. Tony Evers is now turned out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he actually we don't have term limits in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 5: but he's not running again.

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Speaker 4: He made the decision to not seek reelize.

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Speaker 1: You are his heir parent and you were his lieutenant governor, right, Yep.

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Speaker 5: Was his lieutenant governor. We got elected in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: We took on the most powerful income in the entire country,

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Speaker 5: and that's the race. We came out on top by

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Speaker 5: just around one percentage point. We took on and defeated

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Speaker 5: Scott Walker. It was a monumental task and we were

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Speaker 5: able to fundamentally change the way we do things in

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Speaker 5: the state of Wisconsin. It's been a much better way

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Speaker 5: of governing. And also it has been reflected in the

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Speaker 5: governor's approval for it.

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Speaker 1: He's really popular and he's just been a popular good

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Speaker 1: guy who's like fed children and done the kind of

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Speaker 1: work that a lot of us would like to see

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Speaker 1: Democrats do.

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Speaker 5: For sure, and reversing a lot of the damage that

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Speaker 5: was done during the previous era. And I can tell

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Speaker 5: you the same sort of chaos we're experiencing at Washington,

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Speaker 5: DC right now that was par for the course with

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Speaker 5: the former governor.

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Speaker 4: And in many ways it is as if.

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Speaker 5: Our former governor laid the path for a Donald Trump's

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Speaker 5: presidency to be posted possible. And so we see what

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Speaker 5: we're experiencing, but we also know what good governance, what

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Speaker 5: good governing can look like when you elect the candidates

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Speaker 5: with one the experience, but also the drive. Because there's

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Speaker 5: a reason people are frustrated with Democrats in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 5: It feels as if there's this lack of urgency and

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Speaker 5: with Congress essentially being out to lunch. The real resistance,

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Speaker 5: the real pushback that we can offer in this country

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Speaker 5: is state by state, and that means having a governor

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Speaker 5: who is going to be bold enough to stand up

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Speaker 5: to President Donald Trump when he's doing harm to the

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Speaker 5: people you represent, also holding him accountable for his trespassing

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Speaker 5: all over the.

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Speaker 1: CONSTITUTIONSH Lewis Lynton, Senator pro temp in Virginia, part of

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Speaker 1: the drive in Virginia for this ten to one redistricting.

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Speaker 1: Talk us through redistricting. You guys have a more liberal

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Speaker 1: state house. Now you are more liberal judiciary because you

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Speaker 1: flipped the judiciary in the state. But talk us through

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Speaker 1: redistricting and what it might look like in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 5: Our Supreme Court is right now five to two, and

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Speaker 5: this has been very welcome given the years, or we

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Speaker 5: couldn't win a Supreme Court race.

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Speaker 4: To save our lives.

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Speaker 5: And on the top tip redistrict thing our maps are

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Speaker 5: better than they were. They're still not completely fair. However,

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Speaker 5: there's a real shot at the majority in the State

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Speaker 5: Senate this November and a shot at the State Assembly.

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Speaker 5: The state Senate will be a little you know, that

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Speaker 5: path is a little more clear than a state Assembly.

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Speaker 5: But given everything that has been going on across the country,

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Speaker 5: people's very real frustration with Republicans in the way that

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has left folks behind, there is a possibility

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Speaker 5: that we will have a trifecta. And that's what I

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Speaker 5: am working towards and when I'm out there campaign and

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Speaker 5: it's not just about me running for governor. This is

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Speaker 5: about bringing about a majority in the Senate and the

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Speaker 5: Assembly so that we can get to work right away,

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Speaker 5: so we can usher in a new era of opportunity,

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Speaker 5: so we can act with the urgency that's been missing

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. And ultimately be an example of

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Speaker 5: what things can look like in the country that's truly

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Speaker 5: governed by people that get it. Now, on the topic

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Speaker 5: of redistrict and the governor call for a special session

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Speaker 5: to do a constitutional amendment for fair mass. Of course,

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Speaker 5: Republicans that they always have have bought at that call,

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Speaker 5: but fair maps is stuff that I remain committed to.

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Speaker 5: But looking at Virginia as well, fair maps has to

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Speaker 5: be the law of land across the entire country when

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Speaker 5: it comes to our congressional districts, because we see Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump leaning on Republican governors to draw new maps just

654
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Speaker 5: so he can attempt to save a majority in Congress,

655
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Speaker 5: because he knows how deeply unpopular he is in states

656
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Speaker 5: in the likelihood that they will lose the majority, and

657
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Speaker 5: it creates an unequal system, a system that's not fair

658
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Speaker 5: at all. So what we have to do is use

659
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Speaker 5: every tool that we have until nonpartisan or nonpartisan redistricting

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Speaker 5: or fair mass is the law of the land across

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Speaker 5: a field.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about universal childcare. That's something that's been

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Speaker 1: a big winner in New York City. Republicans really are

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Speaker 1: worried about birth numbers. They really want more babies. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to specify what that means because I don't

666
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Speaker 1: even want to know, but part of why people are

667
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Speaker 1: not having children right now is could very expensive. So

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Speaker 1: talk us through universal childcare.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, universal childcare is one of the first policy planks

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Speaker 5: we rolled out. One of their first conversations we had

671
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Speaker 5: on this campaign trail was at an early childcare facility.

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Speaker 5: We talk with providers, we talk with parents, and we

673
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Speaker 5: talked about the challenges and struggles that exist on every

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Speaker 5: end of the conversation about childcare. Providers aren't getting the

675
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Speaker 5: money to be able to pay the teachers what they deserve.

676
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Speaker 5: Parents are often cash wrapped and aren't able to pay,

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Speaker 5: especially if they have to jack up prices to be

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Speaker 5: able to pay teachers, and the state has to step

679
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Speaker 5: in at some point because this is a workforce issue,

680
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Speaker 5: it is also a child development issue. And if parents

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Speaker 5: one might be able to afford childcare so often they

682
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Speaker 5: are able to get a slot because they fill up

683
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Speaker 5: so quickly, and those parents who may have slots available,

684
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Speaker 5: they may not be able to afford those slots. And

685
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Speaker 5: when that happens, we see the entire system put in

686
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Speaker 5: perro because these facilities end up closing. So I do

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Speaker 5: support a universal childcare program. We're looking at models like

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Speaker 5: in New Mexico. We want to make sure that we

689
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Speaker 5: could get this done right. We want to ensure that

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Speaker 5: no parent has to make that difficult choice of whether

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Speaker 5: to take a job or whether to become a parent,

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Speaker 5: and that is one of the most difficult and taxing

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Speaker 5: decisions people have had to make, and having a child

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Speaker 5: shouldn't feel like a financial burden. We as a state,

695
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Speaker 5: as a country, in fact, we have a responsibility to

696
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Speaker 5: ensure that all the needs of our children of our

697
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Speaker 5: future are met. And as a state, this is an

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Speaker 5: area where we are going to lead by.

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Speaker 1: Example, money against a guy called Tom Tiffany. He is

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Speaker 1: a member of Congress, very MAGA. I've seen him do

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Speaker 1: just insane stuff. Talk us through you know sort of

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Speaker 1: how that's going. But you're going to run against.

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Speaker 4: Him, for sure.

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Speaker 5: And Tom Tiffany was MAGA before Maga. We were in

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Speaker 5: the state legislature together. I was in the state House.

706
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Speaker 5: He's in the state Senate. So he's one of those

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Speaker 5: people who's not putting on an act. This is who

708
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Speaker 5: he has been. So that's exactly why he was hand

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Speaker 5: picked by Donald Trump's become the Republican nominee for governor.

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Speaker 5: And with that being said, I've mentioned before he is

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Speaker 5: his own worst enemy. He's taken on every deeply unpopular

712
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Speaker 5: issue and he's done that to curry favor with the

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Speaker 5: President and a fractured MAGA base. That being said, decisions

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Speaker 5: that he's made, like voting against extending the.

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Speaker 4: Affordable Care Act tax credits.

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Speaker 5: Very early in the campaign, we went to his district

717
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Speaker 5: had a conversation with family farmers about the impact of

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Speaker 5: tariff's on farming and agriculture, but also the impact on

719
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Speaker 5: small big businesses, which Tom Tiffany was quoted as say,

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Speaker 5: I think these terrorists are a good thing. Those were

721
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Speaker 5: his words, and inevitably, like so many other conversations, that

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Speaker 5: shifted to the cost of health care. And a guy

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Speaker 5: told me he got a letter of forming him that

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Speaker 5: his health insurance premium was going to increase from about

725
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Speaker 5: two hundred and seventy five dollars a month to over

726
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Speaker 5: sixteen hundred dollars a month. He said that he ripped

727
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Speaker 5: up the letter and he was going to go without

728
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Speaker 5: health insurance for the rest of the year. Now you

729
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Speaker 5: add this to the fact that Wisconsin is one of

730
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Speaker 5: ten states that has yet to expand our Medicaid program

731
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Speaker 5: under the Affordable Care Act, people are paying exorbitantly high costs.

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Speaker 5: And this is another area where Tom Tiffany left the

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Speaker 5: people that he already represented behind. When he was in

734
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Speaker 5: the state legislature, he had a chance to do the

735
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Speaker 5: right thing. He's had multiple chances to do the right thing,

736
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Speaker 5: and each time the moment calls for him to step

737
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Speaker 5: up to the plate, he walks away in an effort

738
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Speaker 5: to stay in the good graces of the President, regardless

739
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Speaker 5: of the people the district that he currently represents. His

740
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Speaker 5: constituents be damned because Tom Tiff is not showing up

741
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Speaker 5: for them, and that is an unfortunate state of affairs.

742
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Speaker 5: And that's the last type of person that you will

743
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Speaker 5: want to lead an entire state.

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Speaker 4: As governor, he's been a sick of fan. He hasn't

745
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Speaker 4: been a representative.

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Speaker 1: Give me about tariffs because you are in Wisconsin. It's

747
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Speaker 1: a state that is near Canada. There's I'm sure there

748
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Speaker 1: was a lot of trade situations there. Talk us through

749
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Speaker 1: how you guys are affected by tariffs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the terriffts, I guess, at their worst, just

751
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Speaker 5: created a system of uncertainty. I've talked with a number

752
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Speaker 5: of small businesses who no longer have the trade relationships

753
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Speaker 5: that they've had before because they feel as if the

754
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: United States is not a trusted partner they'll have confidence

755
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Speaker 5: and the ability to have some sort of continuity in

756
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: terms of trade and what they'll be spending what they'll

757
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: be able to send out with they'll be able to

758
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 5: bring in, and it has been almost sort of a

759
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: death blow for a lot of our family farmers. I

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Speaker 5: remember the first around of teriffs in twenty nineteen. I

761
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Speaker 5: had a conversation where were doing a farm visit and

762
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Speaker 5: a guy I had that asked the question. I said, well,

763
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Speaker 5: you know, what's the impact of teriffs here? And he said,

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Speaker 5: if you're asking me if these terrorifts are going to

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Speaker 5: be the death nail for rural America, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 5: And there are so many people who have yet to

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Speaker 5: recover even from those terrifts in twenty nineteen. So now

768
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Speaker 5: you fast forward where it's already difficult. We see historic

769
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Speaker 5: numbers of farm bankruptcies, and then you add to terraffs

770
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Speaker 5: on top of this, the cost of healthcare on top

771
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Speaker 5: of this. It has made an impossible situation for so

772
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Speaker 5: many people. Had a roundtable discussion with small business owners

773
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Speaker 5: in Milwaukee about the issue of terrorists, and they found

774
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 5: themselves at a point where they can no longer pass

775
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Speaker 5: on that cost to consumers. Like the study show ninety

776
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Speaker 5: percent of the cost of terraffs fell on consumers, and

777
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Speaker 5: there's a point where they were no longer able to.

778
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Speaker 4: Pass on those costs.

779
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Speaker 5: And because even the first few times they had to

780
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Speaker 5: raise costs, they saw fewer people coming in and out

781
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Speaker 5: of the doors, and they that they would have to

782
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 5: shut their doors at some point if they continue to

783
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Speaker 5: pass on those costs.

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Speaker 4: So tiarrafs have been especially impactful.

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Speaker 5: We are an agricultural state and we are still a

786
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Speaker 5: manufacturing state. And I can tell you that those tiariffs

787
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 5: have not become the manufacturing boom that the president promised

788
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Speaker 5: and expected, because the President has a lot about everything else.

789
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Speaker 5: And it's a shame that when it is so evident,

790
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: so clear that the President is lying to us, that

791
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Speaker 5: you'll have a Tom Tiffany who stands side by side

792
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: regardless and will rather stand next to the president and

793
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: a lie and turn his back on the people who've

794
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: worked their entire lives to keep their business afloat. Be

795
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 5: almost everything they've worked for gone in an instant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, farmers are really in a tight spot. What about manufacturing,

797
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Speaker 1: Like I know, Wisconsin was promised a fox con factory

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Speaker 1: by Scott Walker. That never happened. We've seen a lot

799
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Speaker 1: of like bait and switch with Wisconsin. I'm wondering if

800
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Speaker 1: manufacturing has it all increased because the point of the

801
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Speaker 1: tariffs was to onshore manufacturer, so.

802
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Speaker 4: The stated point that's right.

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Speaker 5: But again, a president we can trust, a president who

804
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 5: has zero clue of what he's doing and just governs

805
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 5: by chaos because that's the only ecosystem that he can

806
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: thrive in. Now, manufacturing is especially important to me. I'm

807
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: very passionate about the issue of manufacturing because my grandfather

808
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: moved to Milwaukee after his.

809
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: Service in the Navy during World War Two.

810
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 5: He got a job as a union steel worker and

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Speaker 5: a factory called Aosmith. He walked in one day, essentially

812
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 5: walked out thirty five. Forty years later, he was able

813
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: to retire with relative comfort and retire with dignity. He

814
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 5: also is able to create a middle class foundation that

815
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 5: allows for me to be able to have this conversation

816
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: with you today. And it wasn't just him, It was

817
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: thousands of other people, especially in terms of creating a

818
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Speaker 5: solid black middle class. And those jobs no longer exist.

819
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Speaker 5: And it's not because people stop feeling like going to work.

820
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 5: It's because we have these executives who felt that they

821
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: can make even more money, who can pad their profit

822
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 5: by sending our good paying jobs overseas, And whether it's

823
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: the off shoring or whether it was automation, we have

824
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: seen a decline and opportunity. Now, my dad was able

825
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 5: to follow in my grandfather's footsteps, but those same opportunities

826
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Speaker 5: wouldn't have been available to me if that was the

827
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 5: path that I were to have sought out. Now, not

828
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 5: saying that everybody's going to go back into a factory

829
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Speaker 5: and take on a manufacturing job, but with those options

830
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 5: having been in decline, there hasn't been an industry that

831
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 5: has filled the gap, that has filled that void. And

832
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Speaker 5: in the industrial Midwest and communities all across the span,

833
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 5: we have seen the void feel with hopelessness, with poverty,

834
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: prime addiction to name it. And it is because of

835
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 5: people's despair and government has to truly be responsible. Now,

836
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Speaker 5: I'm all for bringing as many jobs back to the

837
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Speaker 5: state of Wisconsin, face of America as possible.

838
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Speaker 4: We need to be thoughtful about this.

839
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Speaker 5: We can't just haphazardly slap tariffs on different industries and

840
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 5: assume that the jobs are automatically going to come back,

841
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: as if the factories are just going to be rebuilt

842
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 5: in the span of a month or so. We have

843
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 5: to be real about the way we look at manufacturing

844
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: and what our opportunities are. And that's why I think

845
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 5: we need to do more in terms of manufacturing clean

846
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: energy components and the implements.

847
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Speaker 4: That is where the future is.

848
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Speaker 5: And the United States of America, as everybody is recognizing

849
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: the need for energy and independence.

850
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Speaker 4: We don't have enough of it.

851
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: And we also don't build enough of the components here

852
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 5: in America to be able to have the true independence

853
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: we need. And that's why I've totally been focused on

854
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 5: going all in on expanding our clean energy opportunity.

855
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Speaker 1: That's a chip sacked which everybody didn't want to talk about,

856
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: and now Donald Trump is using that money for god

857
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: knows what. The thing that I keep hearing about when

858
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm on the ground are data centers and them using

859
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: water and power, and like some anxiety about that, And

860
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Speaker 1: I just wonder if you hear about that and what

861
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: your proposed sort of plan is there.

862
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 5: Only in every room I've ever been in since the

863
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: campaign started, it is literally it's what comes up regardless

864
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Speaker 5: of where you are issue. The topic of data centers

865
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Speaker 5: and the problem is the lack of accountability. Now, this

866
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: has been the case for big tech all along. They've

867
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: been able to get away and do whatever they want

868
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Speaker 5: to do without having answered relatively anybody. You have a

869
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Speaker 5: Congress to them a past, and now they've posing it

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Speaker 5: up to the President, who will never hold them accountable.

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Speaker 4: We'll never rein them in.

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Speaker 5: So if there's going to be data center construction, what

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Speaker 5: there has to be is a comprehensive set of standards,

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Speaker 5: and it needs to be a state wise set of Sanders,

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Speaker 5: I don't trust that we're going to have those standards

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Speaker 5: set by the federal government, not with this EPA. So

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Speaker 5: as a state, we need set a set of rules

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Speaker 5: governed by the D and R. And the fact is,

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Speaker 5: well I should say I say that it should be

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Speaker 5: a statewise set because local governments, like if they go

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Speaker 5: and try to appeal in our turn down, they shouldn't

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Speaker 5: just be able to go to another community. And we've

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Speaker 5: seen the secrecy deals in place, so we have to

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Speaker 5: ban those secrecy bills in non disclosure, we have to

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Speaker 5: ensure that water quality is not going to be negatively impacted.

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Speaker 5: And on top of that, people are fearful, rightfully so

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Speaker 5: about rate increases on their utility bills, and we have

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Speaker 5: to account for all that and also ensure that there

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Speaker 5: is a minimum renewable energy standard when it comes to

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Speaker 5: data center construction. All we are asking them to do

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Speaker 5: is to be good neighbors. And if you can't be

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Speaker 5: a good neighbor, you don't belong in the community. And

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Speaker 5: I know that you know it is possible for us

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Speaker 5: to get this in place, and they are just going

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Speaker 5: to have to play by the rules for the first

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Speaker 5: time in amer.

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Speaker 1: Delbarnes, thank you for coming on. It's great to seel.

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Speaker 4: To see you too. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: No moment.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Molli Fast, John Fast, Mari Jong Fast. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget him related to Kim John Owns.

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Speaker 3: I know you're you're the You're the future inheritor of

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Speaker 3: the North Korean nuclear weapons state.

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Speaker 1: Don't even tell you weeks from your own nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: He already has them. We already have them. Rick Wilson,

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Speaker 1: We're going to do a two part moment of fuckery,

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Speaker 1: So you go first, All right, what's your moment of fuckery?

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Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery is within minutes of the shooting.

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Speaker 3: Every single MAGA influencer was on the message of build

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Speaker 3: the ballroom, Build the ball room, including MAGA influencer Megan McCain.

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Speaker 1: What is that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's completely in the deep end with those people. Now,

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Speaker 3: her husband Ben Dominic is convinced her she's going to

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Speaker 3: run for US Senate eventually out there, and then she

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Speaker 3: has to get right with MAGA in Arizona, and she

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Speaker 3: has to get right with.

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Speaker 1: Marga of beloved figure on the right.

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Speaker 3: And the last let me tell you, no one loves

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Speaker 3: the mccains more than MAGA based voters. They're just not

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Speaker 3: Shift's kiss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my moment of rockery is the conversation about rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: Rhetoric bad, but guns really bad. And you know we're

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Speaker 1: already into a conversation is rhetoric again, Trump's rhetoric not good.

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Speaker 1: We are a decade into this thing. The guns are

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Speaker 1: the reason that we keep seeing all this gun violence.

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Speaker 1: And so as much as I don't I don't like

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Speaker 1: Trump's rhetoric. The idea again, this is the obsession with

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Speaker 1: norms versus laws. Like Congress doesn't want to legislate, so

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Speaker 1: they want us to have conversations about norms. Norms. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can't. What we can see from the last decade

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Speaker 1: is you can't fucking rely on norms. It's not about

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Speaker 1: norms right exactly like Merrick Garland and rhetoric, Like if

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Speaker 1: I I never have another fucking conversation about rhetoric, like

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Speaker 1: take away the guns, like comes to automatic, you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: this rapid fire that stuff. We need licenses, we need training,

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Speaker 1: we need safeties.

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Speaker 3: But Billy, I'm not completely disputing the point. But he

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Speaker 3: was carrying a pump back shutter, which is the classic

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Speaker 3: hunting gun. That's not a semi automatic, that's not a

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Speaker 3: it's certainly not a fully automatic.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like obvious, you know, we're seeing

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Speaker 1: it in schools, we're seeing it it like I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was so much security we were all going to

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Speaker 1: be fine. But it's more of a question of, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to have guns that shoot

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Speaker 1: multiple billets per second or minute or whatever. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: you and I do.

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Speaker 3: Someday you're going to have to come down and go

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Speaker 3: to the gun range with us. It'll it'll be an

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Speaker 3: instructive moment for you. Rick Wilson, all right, we'll see

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Speaker 3: it next five.

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