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Speaker 1: Hello tex Sans, and welcome to the Weekend. Mark vander Mayer,

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Speaker 1: John Harris with you. As a week ago tonight, we

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Speaker 1: were embarking on round two of the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft activity action packed programming last weekend. But there's

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Speaker 1: no difference. Actually there is a difference. I mean, come out,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to picks hot and heavy here tonight.

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Speaker 1: But there's no difference in the quality the intensity of

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Speaker 1: the programming.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That is that's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it is definitely a little different than last week.

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Speaker 3: Last week, at this time, we were discussing Keelan Rutledge

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Speaker 3: and we were about to we were about to start

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Speaker 3: discussing Cad McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, for bet you but

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Speaker 1: that was Saturday. Okay, that was early Saturday, Saturday. McDonald

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Speaker 1: was early Friday. It's all a.

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Speaker 2: Blur, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's just it was just a week ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not even here yet. Okay. Rookie Mini Camp.

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Speaker 1: They haven't put that out, have they did they?

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Speaker 3: I think it is I think next put out next week,

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Speaker 3: next week, next week. So I think it's a three

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Speaker 3: day rookie Mini camp. I believe if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 3: we can go to one day, okay, and get a

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Speaker 3: chance to see it.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's not gonna be anything like.

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Speaker 3: The Titans, because the Titans have fifty eight tryout players.

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Speaker 1: All right, So to be clear, these are not guys

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Speaker 1: on the ninety man ross, that's correct. These are guys

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Speaker 1: trying out. This is crazy. How do you get fifty

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Speaker 1: eight guys? How did the UFL shut down in the

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Speaker 1: last few days? Fifty eight players are available to tryout.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

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Speaker 3: This gives you an idea, now a couple obviously. I

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Speaker 3: mean I watched college a lot of college football, watch

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Speaker 3: draft stuff.

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Speaker 1: The entire live tour has showed up the tryout for

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 3: They need a job apparently. So there's a running back.

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Speaker 3: There were six running backs on the list. I recognize

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Speaker 3: a few of the names. Then there was one, I said,

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame. I went, I said, Jake Tafelski. And when

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Speaker 3: I saw that, Sean Pendergass was up here because he

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Speaker 3: was interviewing is is he'zel Shier for his show on Monday?

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Speaker 3: And so I said, Shawnie, who's Jake Tafelski? And he

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Speaker 3: looked at me like I had five heads. He goes,

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Speaker 3: how should I know? I was like, because he's trying

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Speaker 3: out with the Tennessee Titans and he went the Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: And shawn'sa domer. Didn't know, didn't know.

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Speaker 4: Didn't know. I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: He was a two year player at Notre Dame, in

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Speaker 3: three years at Central Michigan at Chippewa before that. He

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Speaker 3: has a total of about twenty two carries in his

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Speaker 3: trying out. He's one of the fifty eight they're bringing

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Speaker 1: Hey, you never know until you know. It never feels

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Speaker 1: like a public service announcement, like a publicity stunt, almost

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Speaker 1: like something to do for the community before you move

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Speaker 1: into the new stadium next year. I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: feels very strange. The biggest rookie camp slash trut camp

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Speaker 1: the Texans ever had had to have been twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I think they had forty five guys and Colin Klein

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Speaker 1: was in that with Jayce Keenum and they were running

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Speaker 1: a full squad practice. It was fun to watch. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it was like spring football. Let's go full squad eleven

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Speaker 1: on eleven they had first team and second team. It

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Speaker 1: was really awesome. Anyway, you know what else is really

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Speaker 1: awesome today because it was official that Aziz al Shire

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Speaker 1: gets his extension, had the big press conference. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Shawn's interview with him and Hill there that Monday. It's

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Speaker 1: really good. I was listening to part of that. But

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Speaker 1: you know what else is really good us interviewing is

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Speaker 1: l Shire earlier in studio, right here in the Hunday

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio studio, and it was a delight. My day

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Speaker 1: is made because Asease is in the house in studio.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations Disease.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you, guys man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So good to have you here. And I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you this. Let's start here because the sense I'm

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Speaker 1: getting from your press conference other conversations is that this

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Speaker 1: is a great thing for you for your family, but

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Speaker 1: football wise, you feel like you are not done. You're

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Speaker 1: scratching the surface the team. It's about the team goals.

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Speaker 1: You want to see much more out of this whole

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Speaker 6: Yea, you know, I think I'm happy that you know

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Speaker 6: the business side of all this and just the logistics,

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Speaker 6: really good at all. You know, I'm a people person.

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Speaker 6: You know, I deal with people and I love football,

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Speaker 6: and I think those are the two things. I'm excited

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Speaker 6: this organization, which is winning the Super Bowl. So I'm

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Speaker 5: Of that disease.

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Speaker 3: I think what's fascinating about you in a sense is

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Speaker 3: you could talk to twenty different people in this building

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Speaker 3: and your name gets mentioned, like I love that dude, Man,

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Speaker 3: that's one of my best friends. Like you have, like

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Speaker 3: you said, you're press for You have so many different

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Speaker 3: people in this building that you'll talk to at any

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Speaker 2: Where and how did that really kind of start.

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Speaker 5: In this building?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I think it just was a you know, just

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Speaker 6: a reflection on how my life really was. I went

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Speaker 6: something I struggled with because you know, I go to

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Speaker 6: And I remember I got to a point where I

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to be at that school next year anyways.

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Speaker 6: And so it was like a lot of negative to

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I remember my grandfather he told me a quote he said,

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Speaker 6: regard on men, but none too much, and always keep

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Speaker 6: the common touch. And to me, like he would always

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Speaker 6: ask me what did it mean, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 5: He's like, I don't know. You tell me what you

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Speaker 6: And it took me years to come up with even

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Speaker 6: but nobody is above in any ranking.

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Speaker 5: Because of what they do for a living or what

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Speaker 6: Treat everybody would respect and always keep the common touches,

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Speaker 6: I'm around you know, people in general in my life,

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Speaker 1: Well, now you're the kid at school or Texans campus

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Speaker 1: making everybody feel welcome no matter what. That's much appreciated

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Speaker 1: all throughout the building disease, And I look at this

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, now you're not old, but you're getting older.

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Speaker 1: You're the mentor. Now, So what is it like with

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, it's funny because you know, Kawan Alexander I

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Speaker 5: So it's just funny because I.

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Speaker 6: Just try to really pour everything that I have into

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Speaker 3: I'll probably asked you this in some form at some point,

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Speaker 3: because we've talked about twenty nineteen and deciding to go

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Speaker 3: What's the piece of advice that you would give to

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Speaker 6: I would tell him that you have everything that you

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Speaker 6: when I reflect and look back, everything that I speak about,

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Speaker 5: Most of it.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I learned within the first seventeen years

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Speaker 6: and you know, I gained more perspective and more experience.

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Speaker 6: Same thing when I went throughout my years in the league.

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Speaker 6: People and experiences, but a lot of the foundational stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know, God already had placed in me. He made

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Speaker 6: and you got everything that you need to be successful.

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Speaker 1: Is he's In your press conference, you talked about being

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Speaker 1: a young player and seeing where your name was on

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Speaker 1: the depth chart kind of low. Now it's the opposite.

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Speaker 1: But how have you changed, Let's say this time of year,

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Speaker 3: Ziz, you couldn't miss it last year, every football nerd,

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Speaker 5: But we also got ten other guys who play the

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Speaker 4: So last one, short one.

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Speaker 1: It's better to give them all, right, is hease? Thanks

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Speaker 1: There's our conversation with Disease and Johnny. So many different

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Speaker 1: Our working dinner continues here in the hun Day Texans

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a key part of it.

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Speaker 8: were able to acquire, you know, a few more players

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Speaker 8: to add to that mix. You mentioned with rut Ledge

439
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 8: air the first pick, and then Fabsci there in the

440
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,360
Speaker 8: fourth round. Two good football players who have really good traits,

441
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 8: good makeup, the right mentality, the right mindset, who collectively

442
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 8: organizationally felt pretty strongly about.

443
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 4: Ay, you saved the draft party.

444
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 7: Thank you.

445
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted the draft party to be a hit. You

446
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: made it a hit. You also said this after the draft,

447
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,400
Speaker 3: and I said the same thing too, So I want

448
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on it. You shaid after the draft,

449
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 3: you're like, how about up two spots? Is the really

450
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 3: trading up? You didn't really quote unquote technically you did,

451
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 3: but you really didn't. But you did go up two spots.

452
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: What was it that you felt like going up to

453
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 3: two spots.

454
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 4: Was doing to make sure you got Hee him? What

455
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 4: was kind of moving up a little bit there?

456
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 8: Nick in the first Yeah, like we've talked, a lot

457
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 8: of these moves are just about positioning, and you feel like, well,

458
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 8: we think we need to get to a certain point

459
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 8: just to make sure that we acquire the player and

460
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,360
Speaker 8: not run the risk potentially of losing them. You don't

461
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 8: know exactly what's going to happen, but we just felt

462
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 8: we had to make a small subtle move to get

463
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 8: in a position where we could draft the player who

464
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 8: we felt was probably going to go in about that range.

465
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 8: As we got a little bit closer to the draft,

466
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 8: it started to materialize it was probably in a twenty

467
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 8: five to forty ish sort of range, whether or not

468
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 8: he would have made up to thirty eight. So then

469
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 8: it was like, all right, well, if this is a

470
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 8: player that we like and we want, if we have

471
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Speaker 8: to make a small subtle move, then let's investigate and

472
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 8: see what our options are.

473
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: And along those lines, when Friday Night hits and Cad

474
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: McDonald you like him, picks or started to go and

475
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: you have to know when to pull the trigger on

476
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: that deal.

477
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 8: But you got your guy, sure, Similar to the Rutlers discussion,

478
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 8: really just make a small subtle move to kind of

479
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 8: get in position. We felt like at some point he

480
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 8: was probably gonna go pretty quickly that night, he wasn't

481
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 8: gonna last very long, and you know, he was probably

482
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 8: one of the better players that was still available at

483
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 8: that time. Therefore, we made the move that we did.

484
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 8: You know, had Cayden in here at some point in

485
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 8: the process. Had a really good season last year, really

486
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 8: the most extensive playtime of his career, had an opportunity,

487
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 8: did a good job and coach coach Patricia's system there

488
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 8: he made I want to say, it's like thirty plus

489
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 8: assists and then another thirty total tackles there solo tackles.

490
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 8: So you're talking about a player that had made sixty

491
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 8: tackles from the interior defensive tackle position. Not too dissimilar

492
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 8: to some of the things that Tommy showed during the

493
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 8: season for US. So a good football player that's young,

494
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 8: that's strong, and has some traits that we feel fit

495
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 8: our defense.

496
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: Nick on Friday morning in afternoons, you lead up to

497
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Speaker 3: Friday evening and you're gonna make that pick. You're sitting,

498
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: I think, what six picks away from the first pick

499
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: of the draft. How do you guys kind of handle

500
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: that going into it? Do you do you know some

501
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: kind of simulations to see what might happen in those picks?

502
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: How do you guys kind of handle that time between

503
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: Thursday night's end of the draft and then Friday start.

504
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 8: For sure, it's a little bit of everything. So look

505
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 8: at those first eight to ten picks. Let's say, because

506
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 8: we were picking thirty eight through your point, those first

507
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 8: eight to ten picks, who is most likely to get drafted,

508
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 8: what are some of the teams that may have needs

509
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 8: at certain positions, Where are we on certain players, who's

510
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 8: the cohort of players that we like? Okay, who do

511
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 8: we feel comfortable drafting? So those are the things that

512
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 8: we're discussing throughout the course today. And if we have

513
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 8: to do a little bit more work of diligence, do

514
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 8: one last checkpoint, then that's what we go through.

515
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 7: So it's pretty fluid.

516
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 8: We're kind of preparing for that pick, and then once

517
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 8: you get past that pick, then you're preparing for the

518
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 8: rest of the evening. There At the time, I think

519
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 8: we were scheduled to pick three times. We only end

520
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 8: up picking twice because we made the subtle move up

521
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 8: for McDonald, But we were still kind of playing it

522
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 8: out even into the third round. Even though we didn't

523
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 8: have a pick, We're still looking. If there was an

524
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 8: opportunity that presented itself that made sense, then we would

525
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 8: consider it and ultimately make the right decision.

526
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: With Kleine and great interview. By the way, it was

527
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: wonderful to have mo on Friday night. How hard is

528
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: it to make that kind of decision? This guy, this

529
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: is the guy we want right here. We got to

530
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: go get him. A lot of tight ends to choose from.

531
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: It's not later in the draft, but it's you know,

532
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: second round, getting late in the second round. How do

533
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: you make that pick?

534
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 5: Nack?

535
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.

536
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 8: He was a player that we kind of liked from

537
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 8: the beginning of the process and kind of till the end.

538
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 8: We probably can pretty consistent how we felt about the player.

539
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 8: Reality is, we were at fifty nine or wherever we

540
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 8: were picking. There was a few trades scenarios that were

541
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 8: actually on the table for us to move back, and

542
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 8: we were close to making a trade to move back.

543
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 8: We felt like if we'd moved back a few spots

544
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 8: still had a shot to possibly get the player. The

545
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 8: trades kind of fell through. So we've always talked at

546
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 8: some point if you don't have a trade, then you

547
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 8: just got to be ready to pick soever you're gonna pick.

548
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 8: So we picked Marlin because that was a player that

549
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 8: we had kind of teed up as the next player.

550
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: Nick, I heard this guy. I think it was a

551
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 3: macview show maybe today. Yeah, he said, toughness and physicality

552
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: winning this league. Physicality you think you can see on film?

553
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 3: How tough is it to actually discern toughness in an

554
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: individual as you're scotting him, Nick.

555
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 8: It's difficult, but there are things that you can look for.

556
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 8: You can look at how he finishes. Does he play

557
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 8: to the whistle? However many snaps are in a game

558
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 8: sixty five seventy snaps? What's his playing style, what's his mentality,

559
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 8: what's his mindset? Does he take a playoff? Is he

560
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 8: consistent all the way across the board. And then when

561
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 8: you visit with the player, you get a sense in

562
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 8: a feel for their personality. They have some edge, or

563
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 8: they have some grit, do they have some toughness? What's

564
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 8: important to them? What do they prioritize. That's the way

565
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 8: you kind of piece it all together. It's not as

566
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 8: if you can just open up a book and say

567
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 8: there's toughness. You have to do some digging and then

568
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 8: you have to rely on sources. Talk to coaches, talk

569
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 8: to teammates, get their opinion of the player, see what

570
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 8: they happen to think, and then create the profile and

571
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 8: then say ultimate in the end, we feel he has

572
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 8: those qualities that we covert here.

573
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 4: Nick.

574
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: Not everybody has this in common, but we look at

575
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: wood Ads, we look at Bond. These guys were at

576
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: their schools their entire careers, and then a couple of

577
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: others they transferred up, they upgraded in the level of

578
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: playing college football. How important or pertinent is that kind

579
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: of thing.

580
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it speaks to their profile.

581
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 8: Those individuals maybe a little bit different than some other individuals.

582
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 8: We don't penalize anybody for what they do or have

583
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 8: not done, but in those two particular cases, they probably

584
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 8: had opportunities to go elsewhere. And honestly, it speaks to

585
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 8: the program. In mean, Dabo has run one of the best, best,

586
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 8: most consistent programs for as long as he's been there,

587
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 8: and coach O'Brien came into BC. I'm sure Lewis had

588
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 8: an opportunity, maybe wasn't sure what was going to happen.

589
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 8: Because he was there with the previous staff, and then

590
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 8: he made a decision to stay, and then he had

591
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 8: two of his most productive seasons of his career in

592
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 8: the last two seasons, including I think he wrote the

593
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 8: single season reception record for Boston College this past year.

594
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 8: So in the end, the player has to make an

595
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 8: individual choice about what they feel is best for their situation.

596
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: Nick, One of the things that both you and Demico

597
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: talked about, Hey, look, we're gonna find really good football players,

598
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: but the person matters. And it feels like this draft

599
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: after you Brooke would do an interview or Mark, we're

600
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: doing an interview with a player. You listen to the

601
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: interview and you go, oh, okay, I get it, like

602
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: I get why because we don't have that opportunity to

603
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: meet them.

604
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: You guys obviously do.

605
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: Why has that become such a mantra for this particular

606
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: organization and team, Nick.

607
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 8: Well, I think is in the end, you're gonna win

608
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 8: with people, and you're gonna win with toughness, and you

609
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 8: understand you're gonna face some ups and downs and you're

610
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 8: gonna face some adversity.

611
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 7: So who are the players.

612
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 8: That can kind of handle that without sort of riding

613
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 8: the wave and just be consistent day after day, week

614
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 8: after week, month after month, because that's what this league

615
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 8: is about ultimately. So it's seventeen opportunities. You get one

616
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 8: each week and whatever happens the previous week, we have

617
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 8: to put that aside and then you have to be

618
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 8: able to transition into the next week. So mentality, mindset,

619
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 8: just their overall thought process, their intention about how they

620
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 8: approach their work is ultimately going to be really really important.

621
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: But how difficult is that to research? Because as we're

622
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: talking to some of these players, Nick, it sounds like

623
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: they were all coached up to say some similar things.

624
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: Not all of the content, but a lot of similar things.

625
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: And I can vouch they were not coached by pr.

626
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: They jumped right on the line and we talked to

627
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: them fresh. So what about to happen?

628
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 8: Well, I think that was our overall impression of the

629
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 8: players when we interacted with them. So whether it's the

630
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 8: information we received from the coaches, whether it was the

631
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 8: interview we did with them either at the Senior Bowl,

632
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 8: at the Combine, or if we happen to have them

633
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 8: in the building, we probably arrived at the same conclusion.

634
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 8: So any end the players are who they are. We're

635
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 8: not going to force them to be something that they're not.

636
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 8: So to your point, Mark, it's not easy to do,

637
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 8: but you have to have enough discipline and conviction to say,

638
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 8: these are the things that are important. Who are the

639
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 8: players that have those qualities and as best you can

640
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 8: try to go out and identify them and if you

641
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 8: have an opportunity to add them to the team, then

642
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 8: you add them to the team.

643
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: Nick, we've talked about this a little bit before, but

644
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: it felt like it was a talking point for a

645
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: lot of people afterwards, and we talked about it a

646
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: little bit during the draft, and that was the NIL

647
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 3: and the transfer portal impact on this particular draft and

648
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: maybe trends we're seeing over the last couple of years

649
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: as NIL transfer portal have become even more important. Did

650
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: you see changes kind of in what might be available

651
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: on day three or maybe even late on day two

652
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: because guys decided to stay maybe for an extra year,

653
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: or the player you found on day three maybe a

654
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: little more polished because they did stay an extra year

655
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: because they made him in IL money.

656
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 8: Yes, it goes both ways, so as you would think

657
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 8: there was sixty seven underclassmen, sixty of them were drafted.

658
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 8: There were very few of those underclassmen that were drafted.

659
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 8: I want to say after the third round. I want

660
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: to say it was like four or five or something

661
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 8: like that. So what has happened is just the pool

662
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 8: and volume of overall players has shrunk relative the underclassmen.

663
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 8: So then you transition to this next group of players,

664
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 8: and then we're going back to Okay, he was at

665
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 8: this program, then he transferred. What was the reason that

666
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 8: he transferred? So you don't penalize a player for moving

667
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 8: or nil. That's the reality college football. So our job

668
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 8: is just to understand it and understand the dynamics surrounding

669
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 8: the player and ultimately just make the find the players

670
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 8: that we feel are the right fits for the Texans.

671
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: Nick, could you give us something on Wade wood As

672
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: and Aiden Fisher the linebackers different rounds, but what do

673
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: they have in common? And how happy is Frank Ross

674
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: about these picks?

675
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say he's pretty happy. Especially with the wood

676
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 8: As pick. I'd say they're they're different, but they're similar.

677
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 8: Wood As is a you know, sixty three, two hundred

678
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 8: thirty five pounds former safety. That kind of moved down

679
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 8: to call it a hybrid position, kind of played detach

680
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 8: from the formation. But he's a linebacker, and I'd say

681
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 8: that type of body type is a little more prevalent

682
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 8: on rosters, and you're starting to see it on coverage units.

683
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 8: Some of these bigger bodies factor in because you're dealing

684
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 8: with shorter spaces, and he was kind of a sideline

685
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 8: to sideline player. He's got good trade line speed, good toughness,

686
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 8: very highly thought of in the Clemson program. And now

687
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 8: with Aiden, I'd say you see a very highly instinctive, aware,

688
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 8: productive player with very good toughness. He's not as big

689
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 8: as wood as I mean, and what has his six

690
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 8: three two thirty five Aidens six foot two thirty you know,

691
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 8: two thirty five probably a little bit closer to like

692
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 8: a Jake Hanson type of build transfer up player. He

693
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 8: was with coach sig at James Madison and there was

694
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 8: a I don't know fifteen twenty twenty five players that

695
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 8: went from JMU to Indiana and he was a part

696
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 8: of that. But leadership, toughness, I think he was a captain,

697
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 8: was essentially the quarterback of the defense, and you see

698
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 8: that in his play.

699
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: Nick one of the questions I got a couple of

700
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: weeks ago, and I thought it was an interesting one.

701
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 4: I was meeting with the ticket department.

702
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: They asked me about a winning program player, you know,

703
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: a guy that's played for in Indiana, And immediately when

704
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: Aiden Fisher was drafted, the first thing came to my

705
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: mind was that guy came over from James Madison Indiana,

706
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: became really good defensively, he was the leader of that,

707
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: and then win a national championship.

708
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 4: He's the leader of that.

709
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: How much does winning or being a part of a

710
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: winning program matter in a sense, because I'm sure over

711
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: the years, you drafted somebody from a one to eleven

712
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: football team and they've played well for you. You drafted players

713
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: from national championship team, they probably haven't. What does winning

714
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: and how does that kind of play into a players

715
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: draft pick?

716
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 8: Sure, winning matters, and even go back to high school.

717
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 8: There's some players that are affiliated with very successful high

718
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 8: school programs, so they have an understanding of what winning

719
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 8: looks like and what is required of winning. Understanding it's

720
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 8: not going to be easy, So it's certainly a part

721
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 8: of the calculus that goes into it.

722
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 7: So when you're around winning.

723
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 8: When you're around like minded people, then you're going to

724
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 8: hopefully see some of the same things and maybe some

725
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 8: of the players that we have here, because in the end,

726
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 8: our goal is to win. So who are the players

727
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 8: that are going to help us win? Do they have

728
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 8: the right mentality? Do they know what it looks like

729
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 8: and they're going to apply themselves to ultimately get to

730
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 8: that endpoint.

731
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: So USC a little bit of a theme the last

732
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: three drafts with certainly appears that way getting selected, yes,

733
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: And how much does that help though that you're familiar

734
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: with what it looks like in that program and Ramsey

735
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: had played with Jay Rock.

736
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 8: For sure, and they've actually had some turnover on the

737
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 8: coaching staff. So you're just kind of because even with Kamari,

738
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 8: he played safety in twenty four and then they moved

739
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 8: him down to a little bit more of a nickel

740
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 8: position this past year. Probably a little bit better safety

741
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 8: than he as a nickel, but good size, very smart,

742
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 8: very instinctive. Different but like Fisher in that respect, you

743
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 8: can kind of see his awareness and how he plays.

744
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 8: You know, he was a player. Our grades were consistent

745
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 8: throughout the process. We had a good zoom discussion with

746
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 8: him when our coaches visited with him and kind of

747
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 8: confirmed some of the things that we thought. But a

748
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 8: good football player from a good program, no question about it.

749
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: Nick.

750
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 3: As you went through this draft process this year six draft,

751
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: and you've been very successful with the draft, so you

752
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: don't want to get away from that obviously, But were

753
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: there was there anything that you kind of incorporated this

754
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 3: year that maybe you hadn't done as much in the

755
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: past as you evaluated players.

756
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we kind of always look at up

757
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 8: some of our processes and there are some tweaks and

758
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 8: adjustments that we can make. I'd say it's more subtle

759
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 8: changes in tweaks than not a complete overhaul. But if

760
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 8: there's a tool we can incorporate, is there's some other

761
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: idea or maybe a different avenue that helps our player evaluation,

762
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 8: then if it makes sense, then we'll try to incorporate it.

763
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 8: But the core of it, I would say, has remained

764
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 8: the same. You want to understand the player, get their background,

765
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 8: what's their football character, what's their football intelligence, their competitiveness

766
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 8: or overall toughness, evaluate the player on film, and then

767
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 8: there's some other i would say tools and components that

768
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 8: you can use that go into evaluating a player.

769
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: Will bond have a quote easier time adjusting to this

770
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: offense having played at BC? Are there some similarities there

771
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: with the two offenses?

772
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 8: There'll probably be some carryover relative the terminology. It's not

773
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 8: like apples to apples, but there'll probably be some things

774
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 8: that carry over. But ultimately, like we might call it

775
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 8: a little bit different, but it might mean the same thing.

776
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 8: So again, a lot of these players are gonna have

777
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 8: to translate. They're learning a new language.

778
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 5: Right.

779
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 8: Here's why I understand this. As last year, you're doing

780
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 8: the same thing, you're just calling it something different. So

781
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 8: that's really where the adjustment takes place.

782
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: So undrafted free agent process goes on. After the draft,

783
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: that's all done and you get in your vehicle to

784
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: drive home and it's kind of first time. Maybe you

785
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: could take a breath for a while. What're you kind

786
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: of thinking as you're driving home, leaving out of here.

787
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 3: You can kind of have the draft in the review mirror.

788
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: You can start getting ready for rookie minute camp, but

789
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: that's for a couple of weeks. You kind of get

790
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: a breath. What's kind of your thought as you're leaving

791
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: out of here?

792
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's where are we right now?

793
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 8: What else could we do or what do we if

794
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 8: there's anything we need to do, and just kind of

795
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 8: take inventory. Understand, like you said, we have the undrafted

796
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 8: players coming in. At some point, we'll probably have some

797
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 8: like tryout or workout type players as a part of that,

798
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 8: like who fits that profile.

799
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 7: And then we're starting to.

800
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 8: Shift here really from the coaching standpoint to focus on

801
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 8: our players on the field.

802
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 7: They've been in the weight room, they've been training.

803
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 8: We're kind of going through phase one, so you just

804
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 8: kind of it's a subtle, okay, quick breath, where are

805
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 8: we what else do we need to do, and what

806
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 8: opportunities externally are still out there that might be able

807
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 8: to be able to enhance our team.

808
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: So with the undrafteds, that's kind of a recruitment process, right,

809
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: you have to lure them in. For lack of a

810
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: better way of putting it, is that still sort of

811
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: a best athlete available. Wait a minute, we can get

812
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: this guy. Or we're looking to fill certain spots maybe

813
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: where we want more depth.

814
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 8: There's probably a little bit more numbers based, like if

815
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 8: we know we're going to need x number of players

816
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 8: at a certain position, We're still we're looking for volume,

817
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 8: but you still don't want to sacrifice the things that

818
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 8: we talked about earlier. You don't necessarily sacrifice that because

819
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 8: how they practice their work ethic, their competitiveness, ultimately, that's

820
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 8: going to show up where they are on the talent

821
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 8: matrix or the skill matrix.

822
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 7: Okay, that's a part of it.

823
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 8: You're not just going to kind of throw caution to

824
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 8: the win and just say, well, we're going to take

825
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 8: that guy, even though it's like traits or makeup or

826
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 8: maybe below the line.

827
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 7: So it's case by case.

828
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 8: Certain positions we're going to bring in more players than others,

829
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 8: Other positions a little bit more targeted, and hopefully we've

830
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 8: had a touch point with that player throughout the course

831
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 8: of the spring. So when you do pick up the phone,

832
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 8: it's not the first time you've talked to Joe Smith

833
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 8: and said, hey, we'd love for you to come to

834
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 8: the Texans and he says, coach, like, I haven't heard

835
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 8: from you at all. So there's a little bit of

836
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 8: recruiting that goes on ahead of time. In the event

837
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 8: that this happens, likely to be a part of it,

838
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 8: and if they have a better opportunity somewhere else. They

839
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 8: feel like that what's best for them, No problem. Then

840
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 8: we move on to the next player.

841
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: At some point earlier this week, Nick, I happen to

842
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: see a video. I think maybe Seth put it up there.

843
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: It was Keeland playing basketball, and you watch it and like, dang,

844
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 3: that's a good drop step.

845
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: I would not want to play pick up ball against

846
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 4: that guy.

847
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: We talked about this a little bit, but in this

848
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: group in particular, how did playing of other sports matter

849
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: for the guys that you brought in. I mean, Marlin

850
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: had played soccer and then he comes here and he

851
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: plays American football. But how did playing a second or

852
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: a third sport did you see kind of manifest itself

853
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: in the guys.

854
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 8: It's always good to see when they can play multiple sports.

855
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 8: I think we're kind of right now hyper focused, especially

856
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 8: when kids are younger. Well, you only can play one sport,

857
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 8: only focus on one sport. In the end, you want

858
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 8: to let the player and the athlete just kind of

859
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 8: figure it out and you might see something and since

860
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 8: things in another sport.

861
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 7: Oh that's interesting. All right.

862
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 8: It's not that it's necessarily going to apply apples to apples,

863
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 8: but it's always interesting when they're doing other things. It

864
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 8: kind of speaks to the athleticism, speaks to their thought process,

865
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 8: seeks to their mindset. So yeah, absolutely, I would just say,

866
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 8: even for this generation, I would encourage as many the

867
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 8: kids to play as many sports as possible until you

868
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 8: ultimately have to make a decision where that's going to

869
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 8: be your primary focus.

870
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: All right, So Johnny talks about driving home after the

871
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: draft is over. What about driving home on Thursday night

872
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: and Friday night? Can you sleep those nights or are

873
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: the wheels turning and you're thinking about all the possibilities.

874
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: How does that go?

875
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, you try to, but it's hard.

876
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Speaker 8: Your head is just racing and spinning and thinking about

877
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 8: the next day. You get home, you try to relax,

878
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 8: and you try to go to bed, but I mean, honestly,

879
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 8: it was hard to do. Then you're up the next

880
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 8: day and then you're going all right.

881
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: So this gets into my next question, Nick, because we

882
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: always ask you these things. You're a very healthy person.

883
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Everybody listening watching, everybody is trouble sleeping. Okay, everybody, I'll

884
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: talk to trouble sleeping. What's the Casario method for getting

885
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: a good night's sleep. It's the world's greatest performance enhancing drugs.

886
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: So what's your solution, Nick, Well.

887
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 8: I'd say our dog is probably the best solution. So

888
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 8: our dog sleeps right next to me. I sleep on

889
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 8: downstairs on the couch because I get up super early,

890
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 8: so I don't want to disrupt the entire household. But

891
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 8: when I lay down, she's right next to me there,

892
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 8: so and then we put her music on. It helps

893
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 8: her fall asleep, but it probably also helps me fall

894
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Speaker 8: asleep as well.

895
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Speaker 1: There's some of the best of our conversation with Nick Cassario.

896
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: And I love getting those health tips from Nick every week,

897
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: but sometimes we ask him other questions other than health tips.

898
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: But the guy is a walking picture of health, Okay,

899
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: just want to point that out. And if you've seen him,

900
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, and you also know a lot of stuff

901
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: is always going on around the NFL all the time.

902
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: So Johnny and I will dig into a few NFL

903
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: stories and maybe one beyond the Blue Lots story. So

904
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Speaker 1: it's all happening next here on Texans All Access, Final

905
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Speaker 1: lapp around the Trek of the week here on Texans Radio,

906
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Mark Vanderbin and John Harris with you all right, Johnny

907
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: going around the league. You brought it up the Titans

908
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: trying out how many players what was it?

909
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: Fifty eight?

910
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: Fifty eight players trying out for the Tennessee Titans. We'll

911
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: see how that goes for them. Obviously you play them twice.

912
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Another team the Texans play would be the Cleveland Browns.

913
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: And how did it go with the quarterback competition or

914
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: how is it going? Mary Kay Cabot saying Deshaun's got

915
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: the inside track? This is a big headline. When I

916
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: was walking through one of the rooms here in the

917
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: building and I just saw it on the crawl right

918
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: or on the bottom lower third watching us inside track

919
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: to start, No kidding really really with Sanders there, okay

920
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: at Dylan Gabriel.

921
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And apparently it did a Shilo Sanders Chadur's brother

922
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: very happy when Mary Kay Cabot, who is a Hall

923
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Speaker 3: of Famer by the way, and has been covering the

924
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: Browns for I think almost forty years not more, when

925
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: she said Deshaun has the inside track and I I

926
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Speaker 3: just Shiloh's response. I won't even say on the air,

927
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: but it was misogynistic in all the worst ways. No,

928
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Speaker 3: he did a video and then it was even worse.

929
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: And it's just this whole victim baiting thing. You know,

930
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: she hates Shadors, that's why she does this. And I

931
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Speaker 3: mean it is the fact that Cleveland people have to

932
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: put up with this, after all they've put up with

933
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: all these years, and now they got to put up

934
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Speaker 3: with this nonsense.

935
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Speaker 2: I mean, you could totally miss me. I wouldn't even

936
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Speaker 2: years ago.

937
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even write up Shiloh Sanders because I felt

938
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Speaker 3: like there was a no chance that anybody want any

939
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: of that in their locker room. And b I didn't

940
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: think he was a very good player. I didn't even

941
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: write I didn't even write a draft poort up. Okay,

942
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 3: and he didn't even make it through the first game.

943
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Speaker 3: He got kicked out for doing some stupid stuff fighting,

944
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Speaker 3: And now I guess he's running all the social media

945
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Speaker 3: accounts or whatever the case might be, and continues to

946
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: run his mouth doing some just idiotic things.

947
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Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes brother called and said, it's too much. Oh,

948
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: that's a great example. I didn't even think about. That's

949
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: a great example. Mark, that is a great example. And look,

950
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: it's it.

951
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: It really is getting to a point, is it's not

952
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: about Chadure anymore. But it's about the people that are

953
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 3: so just dead set on Shadur's getting screwed. Oh, Shaudor

954
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: should be starting. Shador is the best quarterback this. They're

955
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: such art and supporters. It's almost like TBO years ago.

956
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: You can't have a conversation with them about it.

957
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: It's funny. What do they have in common that you're

958
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: right there? Loyalists are rabid. Yeah, you cannot talk them

959
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: out of it and let it play out. Look, I

960
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: don't think Cleveland would hesitate. Honestly, Cleveland would love Shador

961
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Sanders to win that job over Watchington.

962
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: They would love it. Yep, that's what they want to see.

963
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: I think so too.

964
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: They're done with Watson, and now that you have the

965
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: new coaching regime in there, not the general manager, but

966
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: the new coaching regime in there, they want to see

967
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: that thing go away, and they want to have Watson

968
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: be so fantastic that it doesn't matter anymore. We got

969
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: to play them and it's gonna be great. It's exactly

970
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: you know. But if it's just a close competition, and

971
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: that says a lot about Watson. If this thing is close, my,

972
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: how the Mighty have fallen, and we know he's already fallen,

973
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: but there's always the chance that you can pick yourself

974
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: back up and get I'm much closer to where you

975
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: were earlier in your career. All right, other stuff going on.

976
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into Diego Pavia. You probably

977
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: don't have him in the Harris two thousand.

978
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I didn't want to write it up.

979
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 4: I just knew that the NFL would not like.

980
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: His his act if you will with the Ravens. And

981
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing their Ravens thing because they have

982
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: availability with the new head coach to start earlier as

983
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, but they get the rookies in and

984
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: get a look at Pavia, who was originally going to

985
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: be a tryout player, but then they signed him to

986
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: the roster and let it rip. Of course he'll beat

987
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: out Lamar Jackson kidding. Oh, he believes he can, now,

988
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: which is which is great. It's what put Vanderbilt football

989
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: on the map.

990
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: But you're down in Mexico at a strip club in

991
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Mexico making it rain. Yeah really yeah honestly, and then

992
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: after the draft you're like two hundred and fifty seven mistakes,

993
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: like you got it.

994
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: You gotta stop. His mouth has done nothing but get

995
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: him in trouble.

996
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: People don't understand that the NFL just doesn't a have

997
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: time for that nonsense.

998
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: It would be great for the Arena League. That would

999
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: be a good spot. And aren't they coming back? We

1000
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: fell to play in the UFL. But the UFL, Johnny.

1001
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: The problem with the UFL to me is, I know

1002
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: they have some gimmicky stuff. I don't think they have enough. Honestly,

1003
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: when I turn on the UFL, it's got to be wild.

1004
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: They should have adopted more XFL and less USFL, because

1005
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: now that we're deeper into it, it's like, come on,

1006
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: show me something. It's too laborious at times. You know,

1007
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the second half if it's close,

1008
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: like I put on the Houston game last week. The

1009
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Gamblers were close to a rare win because I think

1010
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: it was their second of the year, so that was

1011
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of cool. One comment on the way out Live

1012
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Golf because we bring up the UFL competitor to the

1013
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: NFL competitor. Ha. Live Golf not really a competitor to

1014
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: the PGA either. The viewership is awful and the funding

1015
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: is going away and they're looking for new funding. Who's

1016
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: going to fund this thing?

1017
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 6: That?

1018
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 5: Is it?

1019
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: Not? Absolutely? It was based on a bloated bank account.

1020
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: They can't possibly sustain this. They wanted to sell those

1021
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: little team franchises. I don't know what the crushers and

1022
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: the crawlers are. I don't care. You care about the golfers, right,

1023
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: and these guys were starting to really regret traveling a lot.

1024
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: Even though they were playing in fewer tournaments. They were

1025
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: farther away at weird times. They didn't like it. Bring

1026
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: back the PGA, but make it better, make it better.

1027
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's my question. What about those players and

1028
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: live that not want to come back to the PGA.

1029
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: How do you think that should be handled?

1030
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: Make them pay some sort of penance, whether it be

1031
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: they can only play certain things or they have to

1032
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: pay some money or something. I don't know. Give them

1033
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: a little punishment, but bring them back. We all want

1034
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: to see them play. They'll be so high and mighty. Look,

1035
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: they took the money. Who would Well, a lot of

1036
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: guys didn't, but most of the guys did. Who had

1037
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: the Brinks truck backed up for them? I know Rory

1038
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: did not, Scotty did. Not, but most of the guys

1039
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: went who had the huge checks waved in front of them.

1040
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: So here's what they should do. They should have on

1041
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: a weekend that they're off. I don't know if there

1042
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: is one. Yeah, they should have a live turn and

1043
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: the top five players automatically get their PGA cards back.

1044
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh they get elevated. Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's good.

1045
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Top five get elevated, and the rest of them.

1046
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Bye bye, bock to work your way, to work your

1047
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: way back.

1048
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: I like it your PGA card, I like it.

1049
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for the show. This entire show

1050
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: will be available in podcast forms soon enough, including our

1051
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: interview with the ziz Al Shier. We'll be back Monday

1052
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: with a complete program. Have a great night. Area forty

1053
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Speaker 1: five is coming up next. Go Texans.