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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Supreme Court Justice Sonya so Demayer

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. MSNBC

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Speaker 1: contributor Charlie Sykes comes by to talk about the state

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Speaker 1: of our world. Then we'll talk to Congresswoman Becca balland

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Speaker 1: about the Republican attempt to rewrite American culture.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Malli, this fella Donald Trump last night Friend of the Show,

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Speaker 3: Lauren so'donald. I think he kind of like won the

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Speaker 3: week of summing something up, and it's an image we're

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Speaker 3: going to see at the top of articles for decades

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Speaker 3: to come, calling it the most powerless image of a

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Speaker 3: president ever.

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Speaker 2: You'll be shocked to hear that Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump is basically working for the richest man in the world.

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Speaker 1: That video was a sort of incredible video of Elon,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump sort of sat there whell Elon talked about

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Speaker 1: how he's running the government. There was a really good

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Speaker 1: picture of the little boy saying like you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: my dad's chair to Donald Trump, which I think really

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Speaker 1: sums the whole thing up. The best moment in the discourse,

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Speaker 1: gets things wrong, which that was an incredible bit of sorcery.

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Speaker 1: So the best moment of the whole cluster fuckery was

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk said, so I think it's really important and representative.

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Speaker 1: Caesar had this really good point, which was Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk gets eight million dollars a day. But the

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about was Elon Musk. So

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Speaker 1: he was asked by a journalist, how can we make

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Speaker 1: sure that all the statements that you said were correct

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Speaker 1: so we can trust what you say? And he said,

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Speaker 1: some of the things I say will be incorrect and

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Speaker 1: should be corrected. Okay, I mean, please visit me in

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Speaker 1: a pineapple.

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Speaker 3: Under this, say, one would think the guy who does

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Speaker 3: everything he had to get journalistic outlets the funded and

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Speaker 3: make sure that voices that dissemboated against him get smushed.

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Speaker 3: Really feels that way, so seriously, it came from the

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Speaker 3: bottom of his heart.

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Speaker 1: I think some things I say maybe incorrect, they may

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Speaker 1: be wrong.

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Speaker 3: But what you were really taken by, Molly was little

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Speaker 3: Lex picking his nose next to Donald Trump and Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump just looking so happy about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is known to love children and germiness,

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Speaker 1: so that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: So Trump promised on day one that he would bring

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Speaker 3: down prices, and so he got his first economics report

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Speaker 3: a few weeks into office. Millian, I'm going to shock

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Speaker 3: you here. He didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to point out that I went to go

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Speaker 1: get eggs today because I couldn't get eggs on Fresh

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Speaker 2: And there was a little.

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Speaker 1: Sign at the grocery store which said eggs are more expensive.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Donald Trump said he was going to make

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Speaker 1: eggs cheaper. Yeah, inflation has ticked up to three percent

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Speaker 1: from two and a half. That is the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to go down. In case you're wondering, up

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Speaker 1: is bad and down is good when it comes to inflation. Trump,

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Speaker 1: He's continuing on with tariffs, with the steel tariffs, he

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Speaker 1: on China tariffs. Look, the tariffs are going. You have

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Speaker 1: Trump fundamentally misunderstanding the tariffs do not, in fact make

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Speaker 1: money for the government. I don't know how many times

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Speaker 1: people must have explained to him how tariffs work, but

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Speaker 1: he seems still not to get it. I wonder what

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Speaker 1: inflation will have to tick up too before he gets it.

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Speaker 1: Up, Yes, Biden inflation up.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants us to know that even though Biden

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously everything bad is Biden's president. Well, you know

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Speaker 3: I have read the QAnon post two so as well.

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Speaker 3: We last discussed on Sunday that Elon and JD were

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Speaker 3: starting to talk about disobeying judges, and now Trump of

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I am shocked that Donald Trump is doing this.

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Speaker 1: Who could have seen this coming? Certainly not me.

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Speaker 4: This guy esc going things.

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Speaker 1: Never so he openly threatens judges who block his orders,

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Speaker 1: like we shouldn't be surprised. He openly threatened Congress people,

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Speaker 1: He's openly threatened senators. He's openly threatened people we know

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Speaker 1: the way he does it. He's this is Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: thing is if you can't get people to do what

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Speaker 1: you want, then you threatened them. He's openly threatened Mexico

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Speaker 1: isn't there a list of all the people he's threatened?

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Speaker 1: And you know this is his this is the way

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Speaker 1: Will these judges be safe? Well, I mean remember Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has pardoned January sixth riders, So he's pardoned people

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Speaker 1: who committed violence in his name. When you look at

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Speaker 1: see where this. You know, these people could be heard

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Speaker 1: and that's a real thing that could happen, and that

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Speaker 1: that does not happen, because you know, once you go

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you put the genie back in

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Speaker 3: That I do not know either, speaking of genies that

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Speaker 3: are in a bottle for now to see, Gabbert has

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Speaker 3: been confirmed in will Mitch McConnell the only Republican to

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Resistance, Mitch McConnell. He created the world

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Speaker 1: in which Donald Trump was able to become president. Anytime

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Speaker 1: you want to have any kind of pity for this

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Speaker 1: man who is now in a terrible position that he

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Speaker 1: of this would be possible without Mitch mcconne, none of it.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes is the author of the Newsletter to the

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Speaker 1: Contrary and the book How the Right Lost Its Mind.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Charlie Sykes.

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Speaker 4: Molly, good to be back with you. Are you not

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Speaker 4: entertained yet?

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Speaker 1: We're having this discussion as the answer to the question

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 4: This is a hard question. You know, you don't want

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Speaker 4: to say, Hey, I'm living the dream. Things are going great.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, my hair is actually not on fire.

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Speaker 4: You know, I haven't had an aneurysm today reading the news,

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Speaker 4: so I suppose that we're getting through it.

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Speaker 1: But damn, damn exactly. I mean, I spent the last

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Speaker 1: hour watching the Doge hearing on C on C Span three.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that there's a C Span three? I

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Speaker 4: I usually watch C spent Ocho. Hey, that's a really

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Speaker 4: inside joke that nobody remembers anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember it, but I laughed because I'm polite.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So for Lent, I'm going to give up watching

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Speaker 4: Doge hearings and all of those things. Is it Lent yet?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 4: I just need to give it up.

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Speaker 1: It will not be hard. Let me tell you what was.

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Speaker 4: The highlight, because I actually am somewhat curious after that.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the picture from the Oval Office yesterday

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Speaker 4: that Laurence o'donald said, he's like the most humiliating, the

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Speaker 4: most powerless image of a president of the United States

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Speaker 4: ever created by camera, where there's a sulking Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: sitting there with Elon Musk and one of his progeny.

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Speaker 4: We live in Elon Musk's ketamine soaked world. Don't West,

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Speaker 4: do you learn anything?

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Speaker 1: I watched this hearing, I turned it on. You know

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Speaker 1: what's so interesting about watching a full congressional hearing versus

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Speaker 1: like seeing the clips, which we're also used to, is

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Speaker 1: that they're quite boring. And even the most insane member

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Speaker 1: maybe not brilliant and maybe not what you agree with,

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Speaker 1: but quite boring. So this is a Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 1: She leads this committee, if you can believe it. And

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Speaker 1: so she gave the opening statement, which was, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean ironic. Perhaps she complained about political theater.

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Speaker 4: Can I give you the bad news, like right up front? Please,

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Speaker 4: You're never gonna get those brain cells back, Molly thy god,

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Speaker 4: you will never get the brain cells back. I would

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Speaker 4: sit and watch a Marjorie Taylor Green hearing except that

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Speaker 4: I have I don't know root canal surgery. I have

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Speaker 4: want fire iNTS to eat my scrotum.

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Speaker 2: I mean anything.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you my favorite story. Can we just

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Speaker 4: like change the money here because it's getting kind of

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Speaker 1: We'll stop talking about politics. It's too dark.

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Speaker 4: like that. So this one, I think is kind of

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Speaker 4: beyond parody. You see the story that the White House

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Speaker 4: Press reporter. Did you read the explanation? Why see? I

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Speaker 4: inside media baseball. Nobody cares, okay, so one reporter gets in,

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Speaker 4: alter its style on the Gulf of Mexico, which President

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Speaker 4: Trump insists be renamed the Gulf of America. That's right, baby,

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Speaker 4: So much free speech, so much free speech. So now

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Speaker 4: we have the media required to use the government sanctioned language,

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Speaker 4: and if you do not use the terms from Big Orange,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, America, Golf of America. You can't, you know,

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Speaker 1: Gulf of America or else, big trouble.

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Speaker 4: The reporter is n't have to stand around in a

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Speaker 4: it called? Gulf of America, sir? Gulf of America, man,

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Speaker 4: Gulf of America. I mean, is this the new the

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Speaker 4: new normal?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is. And also I have to tell

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, Golf of America. It's very stupid, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's largely harmless. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's

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Speaker 4: It's all relative, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, relative, it's relatively harmless. But last afternoon in the

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk knows who you are.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm going to the camps. But the point is,

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Speaker 1: he said, WT, I'm not doing that right, So, but

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Speaker 1: it cuts to the nah are cuts to cancer research,

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Speaker 1: are cuts to food allergy research, their cuts to environmental research,

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Speaker 1: they're cuts to all autoimmune diseases, everything, Right, So do

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Speaker 1: you think here's the twenty billion dollar question. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that he doesn't is he lying or does he

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Speaker 1: just is not clear to him that that's what's happening.

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Speaker 4: See, these are all excellent questions, and let me go

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Speaker 4: back to your tweet, because you were actually dead on

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Speaker 4: this is happening. Cancer researchers all across America are saying

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Speaker 4: that it's happening. One university after another is saying, you

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Speaker 4: understand that this will be this effect. For some reason,

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Speaker 4: this got under his skin and he felt the need

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Speaker 4: to respond. I think with Elon Musk, and of course

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Speaker 4: we always have to have a little bit of humility

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Speaker 4: and trying to get inside the minds of these guys.

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Speaker 4: And depends what the drug load is on any given day.

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Speaker 4: I don't think number one, I don't think he has

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Speaker 4: any idea the effect. This is what my point is.

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Speaker 4: They're breaking things, but they don't know what they have

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Speaker 4: broken yet, they don't know all of the effects. There's

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Speaker 4: no way. He thinks of himself as the richest, most powerful,

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Speaker 4: smartest man on earth, but he is not the smartest man.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't know what he's doing. He's throwing gasoline around,

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Speaker 4: he's burning shit, and then people come up and say,

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Speaker 4: look look what you just burned down. He goes, oh, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I didn't do that. Well, you may not have meant

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Speaker 4: to do that, but you did do that. Now there's

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Speaker 4: the other part of Elon MS that I think is

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Speaker 4: a complete sociopath where he doesn't give a fuck, He

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Speaker 4: does not he does not care. But look, the reality

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Speaker 4: is that many of the people who are ultimately going

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Speaker 4: to you know, I have to decide on the nation's priorities.

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Speaker 4: They may you know, be deplorable, but they're also elected officials,

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Speaker 4: and I think that there are certain things that even

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Speaker 4: the congressmen and senators are gonna like win SAT. They

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Speaker 4: may go along with cutting off aid to Africa foreign aid.

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Speaker 4: That may be okay, but when it's their constituentatie.

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Speaker 1: Bread in Alabama, if you're cutting a percentage of the

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Speaker 1: largest employer in the entire state of Alabama. So much

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Speaker 1: of history is filled with wealthy people making philanthropic donations

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Speaker 1: in order to quell the peasant class. You and I

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Speaker 1: are in the class here, so because we're not billionaires.

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Speaker 4: So bread and circuses, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, you think of the MEDICIESE to the Rockefellers

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Speaker 1: to the you know, the Great University is museums, libraries,

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Speaker 1: Carnegie is robber barons, all of them donating money to charity.

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Speaker 1: Is this reverse philanthropy is this the opposite.

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Speaker 4: That's a really interesting point that and what would we call.

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Speaker 1: That reverse philanthropy. I wrote about it this week in

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Speaker 1: my column.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well I need to go back because that's

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Speaker 4: exactly what's going on here. And I think that's one

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Speaker 4: of the reasons why I think that this may have

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Speaker 4: an expiration date. You mentioned the polls. The polls are

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Speaker 4: suggesting that a lot of voters, including Republican voters, are

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Speaker 4: already souring on Elon Musk and the influence that he has.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump obviously is still all in. But you know

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Speaker 4: those pictures yesterday, And I'm sorry to trivialize this, I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry to dumb this down.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I think it's an important point.

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Speaker 4: Yes, those are humiliating pictures. And the one thing that

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump understands is humiliation. He cannot tolerate it. But

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Speaker 4: as I've said before, and I think I've said this

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Speaker 4: to you, but this is a big problem for Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump getting rid of Elon Musk. How do you get

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Speaker 4: rid of a problem like Elon Musk? How do you

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Speaker 4: fire Elon Musk? He's too powerful, He's got his own

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Speaker 4: cult of personality. He can do a lot of damage.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump does not want to feel that he's beholden

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Speaker 4: to anybody. But you are right, and I think that

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Speaker 4: this is the age of the you know, the billionaire broligarchs, oligarchs.

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Speaker 4: But the average American is not seeing them doing wonderful

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Speaker 4: humanitarian things. What they're seeing them I'm doing is cutting

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Speaker 4: safety nets, cutting programs, you know, cutting programs for children

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Speaker 4: and the poor and for medical researchers. And I don't know, Mollie,

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Speaker 4: the rules of politics have changed almost beyond recognition. But

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Speaker 4: my gut tells me that you know there will be

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Speaker 4: a reckoning.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sikes.

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Speaker 4: Please come back, Molly John Fast anytime.

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Speaker 1: Becca Ballant represents Vermont's Soul Congressional district. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, congress Woman beck Up.

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Speaker 5: Nice to be here, Mollie. Love talking with you.

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Speaker 1: Before we started recording, you said I was at a

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Speaker 1: crazy committee hearing, and I said, oh, I was just

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Speaker 1: watching doge the Marjorie Taylor Green committee hearing on C

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Speaker 1: Span three, which involved her saying that she did not

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Speaker 1: believe in political theater.

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Speaker 6: I was like, really, that is literally all she does,

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Speaker 6: literally all she does, and so I nearly choked on

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Speaker 6: my die Coke when she said that, So tell me

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Speaker 6: what committee you were on.

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Speaker 5: I was a judiciary committee, and that is headed up

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Speaker 5: by Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 1: It's known to be actually a serious committee as opposed

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Speaker 1: to Doge.

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Speaker 5: It is a serious committee. And yet were we dealing

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Speaker 5: with serious issues that we could be dealing with around

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Speaker 5: civil rights or anti trust.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guest, now, tell us what you were cracking

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Speaker 1: down on.

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Speaker 5: We were once again cracking down on the Biden Harris administration. Censorship.

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Speaker 4: They're not in office anymore.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what are they censoring?

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Speaker 5: Literally, we have so many examples of what the Trump

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Speaker 5: administration is doing right now to censor information and speech.

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Speaker 5: And so you come out of these hearings sometimes you

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Speaker 5: just feel like we are living in alternate realities when

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Speaker 5: the folks are in charge. It's really disturbing, Molly, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I laugh about it, but it's really disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I think what's important here. We laugh

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Speaker 1: to keep from crying, but also we laugh because it's

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Speaker 1: so depressing. But this is not just about weaponizing government.

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Speaker 1: This is for fun and for free. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is not just about saying Pithy's stuff on Fox News,

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Speaker 1: though it doesn't even need to be pithy for these guys.

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Speaker 1: This is actually about taking away Medicare, Medicaid, cutting government programs,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing that happen in real time.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it's about gutting government programs that we all

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Speaker 5: rely on. But it is also a textbook playbook for authoritarianism.

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Speaker 5: Everything that they're doing, attacking education, right, attacking knowledge, the

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Speaker 5: propaganda machines, the firing civil servants, getting civil servants to

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Speaker 5: spy on each other. I mean, it is textbook. And

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Speaker 5: you know, one of the things that I talked about

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Speaker 5: in the last committee here was there are even banning

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Speaker 5: words like women in federal research. You know, he just

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Speaker 5: keeps telling people this is not about fighting Republicans on policy.

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Speaker 5: This is about a whole hostile takeover of government. And

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Speaker 5: it's so scary and I think people don't want to

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Speaker 5: necessarily see it for what it is, but that's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about the inspector generals. The most

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Speaker 1: important thing is yesterday we had Elon in the Oval

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Speaker 1: office with his kid. Yes one does, by the way,

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Speaker 1: bringing his kid to work, because obviously the richest man

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Speaker 1: in the world could not find a babysitter for his

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Speaker 1: three or four year old and instead decided to bring

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Speaker 1: him to work.

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Speaker 2: And then he talked about.

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Speaker 1: How he wanted to restore democracy, which I thought was

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Speaker 1: very Orwellian.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: Right, And then he also mused and mused and mused

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Speaker 1: about waste on the same day that Donald Trump had

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Speaker 1: fired more inspector general. So explain to me how they're

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Speaker 1: going to fight waste and fraud, right, and programs they

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Speaker 1: don't like which they consider to be waste and fraud

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Speaker 1: by firing the people who are supposed to monitor waste

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Speaker 1: in fraud.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And as you said, you know it's it's Orwellian.

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Speaker 5: And folks who don't know that reference, right, it is,

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Speaker 5: you know, looking at essentially the real thought police. Right

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Speaker 5: when people tell you in Manny of Orwell's novels that

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Speaker 5: what you see is actually not the truth. We control

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Speaker 5: the truth. And you know, it goes back to Trump

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Speaker 5: naming his social media company truth Social. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: the same as the state news agency in Russia, right,

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Speaker 5: as a similar name. Right. So, there were so many

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Speaker 5: things that were fascinating about that press conference. One of

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Speaker 5: the ones that I thought was just so revealing is

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Speaker 5: that Musk said, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to say

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Speaker 5: things that are inaccurate. It's like, that's that's I want

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Speaker 5: to say things that are inaccurate. I'm going to spread

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Speaker 5: them on my social media platform. Trump meanwhile, is sitting

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Speaker 5: on the side sort of as an add on this

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Speaker 5: seems pretty clear who was in charge of running that.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, if you fire the inspector generals, if you

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Speaker 5: tell entire agencies not to show up for work, which

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Speaker 5: is what has been happening right whether it's the Consumer

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Speaker 5: Financial Protection Bureau again a bureau set up to fight

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Speaker 5: waste fraud and abuse, or if it is firing people

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Speaker 5: who are or laying people off or telling them, you know,

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Speaker 5: to stop work while we continue to pay them while

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Speaker 5: they're not working, and you have billions of pounds of

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Speaker 5: food aids sitting in warehouses and nobody is watching over

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Speaker 5: those programs. That isn't going to fight waste fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 5: It is saying one thing while doing something completely different.

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Speaker 5: And let's not forget the man that we have looking

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Speaker 5: supposedly at waste fraud and abuse is not a disinterested actor.

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Speaker 5: He has billions of dollars in federal subsidies. And federal

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Speaker 5: contracts from you know, this government, and people are like, no,

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Speaker 5: he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart.

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Speaker 5: No way, nothing that Musk has ever done has been

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Speaker 5: out of the goodness obvious heart. He's a billionaire businessman.

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Speaker 5: He's always looking at his bottom line. That is why

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Speaker 5: he intervened in our last budget negotiations in the last Congress,

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Speaker 5: because there was something in that bill that would impact

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Speaker 5: his business in China. That's what that was all about.

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Speaker 5: We have to keep following the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean I'm struck by how much billionaires

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Speaker 1: have really proven themselves to be very bad stewards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at them in journalism, right. You know, we were

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Speaker 1: told that if we sold all the newspapers to billionaires,

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Speaker 1: that billionaires would be philanthropic with their desire to help journalists.

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Speaker 1: But in fact, what they meant was that they were

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Speaker 1: going to do whatever helped to their bottom line or

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Speaker 1: in this case, spaceships. I mean, if you think about

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Speaker 1: the situation with the spaceships, I mean, bezos biked an

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Speaker 1: editorial and I would even pause for a minute and

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Speaker 1: pull back for a second and say billionaires were super

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Speaker 1: mad at the Biden administration for the work they did

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Speaker 1: with the antitrust. I mean, there are other things that

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Speaker 1: made them mad, but that was one of the big things.

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Speaker 1: Biden administration was so ham handed and unable to explain

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Speaker 1: what they were doing that most voters didn't know about it.

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Speaker 1: But I would love you to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about that sort of antitrust stuff and the consumer stuff

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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration did do that made billionaires so mad.

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Speaker 5: Right It's clear that these billionaires sitting right behind the

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Speaker 5: president on an inauguration day in front of people that

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Speaker 5: he even tapped to be in his cabinet, was a

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Speaker 5: very public statement. It was meant to indicate who had

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Speaker 5: the real power. Is meant to chill all of the

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Speaker 5: work that we're trying to do in Congress. And look,

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Speaker 5: we have gross economic inequality right now in this country.

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Speaker 5: It's been building in earnest for the last four days.

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Speaker 5: Any kind of action that would actually help working people

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Speaker 5: right now is not the work that's being done in Congress.

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Speaker 5: Right So, right now they have the House, the Senate,

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Speaker 5: and the White House. Have they introduced anything around prescription

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Speaker 5: drug pricing? Have they kepped the interest rates on credit cards?

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Speaker 5: Have they built more housing. Nothing that they're doing is

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Speaker 5: fundamentally going after the way in which big business is

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Speaker 5: doing really, really well and the rest of us are

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Speaker 5: getting squeezed. And so we should have had a hearing

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Speaker 5: today on the fact that inflation is rising once again, right,

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Speaker 5: that would have been an issue that we all could

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Speaker 5: have gotten behind. But instead we're back to Hunter, Biden

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Speaker 5: and the laptop over and over and over again. And

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Speaker 5: it shows, in my opinion, it shows a deep contempt

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Speaker 5: for the people who voted for Trump and all of

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Speaker 5: these Republican members in the House who are supposedly standing

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Speaker 5: up for them. It is just so disrespectful to the people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, obviously, And the reality is

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Speaker 1: all of this is theater, right, they don't not care

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Speaker 1: about I mean, you saw that the Trump administration cut

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Speaker 1: something from negotiating Medicare prices.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you know this. You've been following this

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Speaker 5: as closely as I have, which is it is about

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Speaker 5: the chaos, It is about flooding the zone, making it

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Speaker 5: difficult for us to follow all the threads of what

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Speaker 5: they're doing. But what it adds up to is they're

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Speaker 5: absolutely not looking out for working people right now, because

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Speaker 5: if they were, they would be trying to negotiate down

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Speaker 5: the drug prices that so many seniors in this country

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Speaker 5: right depend on. They would be standing up to all

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Speaker 5: of the price gouging that happens within, you know, the

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Speaker 5: grocery industry.

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Speaker 2: And they're not.

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Speaker 5: They're absolutely not, And they're starting at trade war with

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Speaker 5: our closest friend and ally, Canada.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like when you cover the Trump admin.

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Speaker 1: There are things that are stupid, but theatrics, like Golf

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Speaker 1: of America. Then there are things that are direct threats

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Speaker 1: to democracy, like the impoundment stuff with the OMB right

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Speaker 1: where the Office of Management and Budget is holding money

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Speaker 1: that's congrecially allocated that is now being held because Trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it right. That's the sort of

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Speaker 1: second basket. And then there's the third, which are the

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Speaker 1: things that it's not clear or what is what? What

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Speaker 1: do you think are the sort of things you're seeing

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Speaker 1: right now that are the most kind of troubling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say the overarching answer to that is

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Speaker 5: it's incredibly troubling to me that my Republican colleagues are

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Speaker 5: willing to give up all of the power that we

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Speaker 5: have as members of Congress, as members of the legislative

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Speaker 5: branch to be a check on the executive power right there,

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Speaker 5: and that Speaker Johnson, who is Speaker of the entire House,

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Speaker 5: that is his job, right is to protect our power

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Speaker 5: and our authority are to be a check on the

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Speaker 5: executive make sure that our bills and the money that

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Speaker 5: we have appropriated goes to those programs that help our

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Speaker 5: constituents back home. And the fact that there has been

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Speaker 5: no pushback about the impounment issues, that there has been

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Speaker 5: no pushback, that Johnson is giving up all of his power,

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Speaker 5: and our Chair of Appropriation, Tom Cole, someone who in

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Speaker 5: the past has been seen as kind of a reasonable,

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Speaker 5: governing minded Republican, is falling right in line. That is

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Speaker 5: the most terrifying thing, because democracy only works if there

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Speaker 5: is a countervail enforce. If there isn't, then it's not

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Speaker 5: a democracy.

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Speaker 1: So clearly, some of these people think that they are

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Speaker 1: able to manipulate Prompt Right, some of these people clearly

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Speaker 1: think that they can go along with some stuff but

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Speaker 1: not go along with other stuff, and that if they

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Speaker 1: do that, eventually they'll get the better of him. Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that does seem possible. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: anyone has ever that that's ever worked, But that's clearly

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Speaker 1: the play. And some of these people really do, just

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Speaker 1: like MTG, have just given up and just want to

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Speaker 1: help mister Trump. Is there still the thing where there

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Speaker 1: was in Trump twenty sixteen where Republicans are like, this guy,

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Speaker 1: we just have to manipulate him, We just have to

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Speaker 1: get through it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean there's a handful who are are clear

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Speaker 5: rid about the fact that he's not really in charge here.

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Speaker 5: They don't actually like that.

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Speaker 2: They don't like that Elon's in charge exactly.

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Speaker 5: They won't speak up, they won't push back. There are,

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Speaker 5: as you said, there's the true believers. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of opportunists, Molly, a lot of opportunists.

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Speaker 1: Well they are politicians, right, I hate hey, tell you

741
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Speaker 1: no offense or anything.

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Speaker 5: But they are amassing power for power's sake. I know

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Speaker 5: from speaking to some of them, they think that they

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Speaker 5: can outlast Trump and trump Ism. But what they've created

745
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Speaker 5: a monster here that black is white, up is down.

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Speaker 5: There is no truth, there are no facts. Nobody trusts

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Speaker 5: government anymore. They created that, right, It's been a twenty

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Speaker 5: five year drumbeat of this, and so do they not

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Speaker 5: think at some point they will also turn on them

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Speaker 5: because they're in charge. Now they're in charge, it falls

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Speaker 5: to them to actually do better for their constituents. But

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Speaker 5: I can't tell you how difficult it is to watch

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Speaker 5: day in and day out these people be such horrible

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Speaker 5: cowards when they know that what is happening is not

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Speaker 5: good for our country and it's not good for their constituents.

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Speaker 1: Yes, agreed. Now what do you think the play here

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Speaker 1: is that they're just trying to sort of not have

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Speaker 1: the mean tweets?

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Speaker 5: I mean, what are they afraid of?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're a normal Republican, if you are someone

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Speaker 1: who is not a celebrity, right, like a person who

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Speaker 1: actually works. I don't want to say who, but just

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Speaker 1: like someone like that.

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Speaker 2: They are, you know, not Nancy Mays.

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Speaker 1: And you are pretty sane and you're trying to represent

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Speaker 1: your district.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to get.

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Speaker 1: The mean tweeds, and you don't want to end up

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Speaker 1: in the crosshairs, and you don't want to primary challenge.

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Speaker 1: But you're thinking is what You're gonna put your head

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Speaker 1: down and survive for four years because this won't end

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Speaker 1: in tears. I mean, doesn't everyone see where this is going.

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Speaker 5: That is what is so shocking is they don't seem

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Speaker 5: to see where this is going. But yeah, it's that

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Speaker 5: sense of like I'm going to keep myself and my

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Speaker 5: family and my staff out of the bullseye. And I

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Speaker 5: just want to connect a dot here too, that the

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Speaker 5: House and Republicans in the House are not seeing profiles

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Speaker 5: and courage in the Senate. Okay, you just had Tulsea

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Speaker 5: Gabbard confirmed as the Intelligence chief, and you know that

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Speaker 5: there are senators who know full well that that is

782
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Speaker 5: incredibly dangerous Republicans, and so if the House members are

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Speaker 5: thinking in themselves, Look, those folks have six year protections

784
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Speaker 5: on their and they're not sticking their necks out. And

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Speaker 5: I've only got two years. Why the hell should I

786
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Speaker 5: stick my neck out. It's sick, It's absolutely sick.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit contagious, right exactly.

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Speaker 5: And this cowardice is contagious. Encourage is contagious, and we're

789
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Speaker 5: not seeing a whole lot of courage right now. It's

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Speaker 5: basic human dignity too, and I'll see a whole lot

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Speaker 5: of that either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if you could sort of explain to

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Speaker 1: me what people are very mad and they're mad at

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Speaker 1: democrats too.

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Speaker 2: I have to say, like, there was an article on Axios.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday about how leadership was mad at all those organizations

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Speaker 1: for being so on them. Who knows if it's true,

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Speaker 1: it's Axios, whatever, But I wonder if you could talk

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Speaker 1: about are your constituents mad and if so, do you

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Speaker 1: feel that you're able to fight for them in the

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Speaker 1: way that you want to? And do you feel that

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Speaker 1: leadership is listening to you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So I would say there are certainly some segments

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Speaker 5: of my constituency that are feeling mad. I would say

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Speaker 5: the overarching sentiment right now is fear and anxiety. And

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Speaker 5: I hear a lot from constituents how deeply concerned they

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Speaker 5: are that we are heading towards authoritarianism. Is an ex

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Speaker 5: book case of taking this step by step. I have

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Speaker 5: tried in earnest in the last few weeks to just

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Speaker 5: be as open and as transparent and as direct as

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Speaker 5: I can with constituents about what I'm doing, what's happening,

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Speaker 5: communicating as much as I possibly can to help them

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Speaker 5: feel less anxious and less scared. But look, we need

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Speaker 5: the three prongs, right, We need legislation, but we don't

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Speaker 5: have the we don't have control. Right, we can still

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Speaker 5: introduce legislation, but we need three Republicans to join us.

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Speaker 5: So we can try to do things legislatively to help

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Speaker 5: this situation, but we also have to litigate. Individual members

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Speaker 5: of Congress can't have standing to sue. So we are

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Speaker 5: partnering with our outside partners, and yeah, we do need

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Speaker 5: to agitate, which is why I've been out in front

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Speaker 5: of the Treasury and the Consumer or Financial Protection Bureau

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Speaker 5: and the Agency of Education. And I think it's really

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Speaker 5: important that my constituents see me out there raising their

825
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Speaker 5: voices for them because they're on little back roads of Vermont.

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Speaker 5: They're not here in DC, and so I understand the

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Speaker 5: frustration and anger that I've heard from from some of

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Speaker 5: the groups. They want us to be in the fight,

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Speaker 5: and so I have, like I said, I've been trying

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Speaker 5: to do everything to indicate to my constituents that that's

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Speaker 5: where we are. I haven't seen the Axios article that

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Speaker 5: I certainly have heard the murmur ins on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 5: I know what can be hard sometimes is when people

834
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Speaker 5: feel like we need three Republicans to join us, and

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Speaker 5: yet our offices are getting flooded. But the Republicans aren't.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's true, though? I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the Republicans are also going to be flooded.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't speak to that, right, I think it

839
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Speaker 5: is a perception. I will tell you one thing, though, Molly,

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Speaker 5: which is to give you the level of like what

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Speaker 5: can sometimes creep us out when people say we're not

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Speaker 5: fighting hard enough. I just heard this yesterday. Please a

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Speaker 5: dear friend of mine, she's in a frontline district, and

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Speaker 5: she was on the phone with a constituent last night

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Speaker 5: who was really angry and yelling at her, and she said,

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Speaker 5: it's not enough for members of Congress to try to

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Speaker 5: get into the Department of Education. You know, because I

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Speaker 5: don't know if you saw that clip, a bunch of

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Speaker 5: us were down there. This person literally said to her,

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Speaker 5: you need to be breaking down the door and getting shot.

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Speaker 5: That's the only thing that's going to grab the attention

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Speaker 5: of the American people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not so good.

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Speaker 4: That's not good.

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Speaker 5: Right. So we got a channel. We got to channel

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Speaker 5: that anxiety and that fear, that worry into action. And

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Speaker 5: I think we do need to do a better job

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Speaker 5: as Democrats telling people what are the actions that they

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Speaker 5: can take while also educating, like what does it mean

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Speaker 5: when you're not in charge of the House. You don't

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Speaker 5: control the gabbles, you don't control the committee, right, all

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Speaker 5: of those things. I had a constituency to me the

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Speaker 5: other day, Well, why can't you just bring a bill

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Speaker 5: to the floor of the House and make it a

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Speaker 5: bipartisan bill and get people to vote with you. I said,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I can't do that. That's just like not

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Speaker 5: possible in the minority. And so, you know, I want

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Speaker 5: us to be making the case really strongly, really forcefully

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Speaker 5: about why it is that we are standing with working people.

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Speaker 5: We've got to do a better job there, and I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to do my part every single day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Becca.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Always love talking with you.

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Speaker 1: Molly, No moment, Jesse Cannon, Somali Young Fast.

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Speaker 3: If you don't call the Golf of Mexico Golf of America,

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Speaker 3: you're going to pay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really so stupid. It's hard to imagine

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Speaker 1: something stupid are than this, but we have hit on

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Speaker 1: it Donald Trump's Golf of America gate.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: The idea here is that language. You know, they hate

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media. They're furious with writers, and yet they're

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Speaker 1: obsessed with language, So go figure.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the stupider things. He was mad

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Speaker 1: that the AP would not put it put the Gulf

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Speaker 1: of Mexico as the Gulf of America, and is to

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Speaker 1: punish the associated pressure, he did not allow their journalists

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Speaker 1: in to his press briefing. But again I'm reminded of

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Speaker 1: Acosta in twenty seventeen. There's precedent for torturing journalists. It's

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Speaker 1: like kind of his thing. That's it for this episode

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