1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,680
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Dan Hansis alongside Chris Westling, hey Man,

2
00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, and the Boss Greg Rosenthal. Where they around

3
00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,560
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast Check us out three times a week

4
00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,120
Speaker 1: because we discussed the latest NFL news as it happened, always,

5
00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,200
Speaker 1: of course with a touch of mirth. Subscribe at NFL

6
00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:22,239
Speaker 1: dot com, Slash Podcasts, iTunes and Stitcher. And now move

7
00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,320
Speaker 1: the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody,

8
00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,560
Speaker 1: DJ Bucky. Back from the combine back in the studios

9
00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,760
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Very uh, A very solid combine. Would

10
00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,280
Speaker 1: you say about one of the better groups of players

11
00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,880
Speaker 1: we've seen? Anything? I think so? I think what UM

12
00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 1: was really evident. Well, a lot of the stuff that

13
00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,360
Speaker 1: we had talked about leading to the draft. We talked

14
00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,640
Speaker 1: about the defensive side of the ball, the players and

15
00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,800
Speaker 1: athletes on that side. We talked about the running back

16
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,000
Speaker 1: class um, we talked the defensive line class as well.

17
00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,600
Speaker 1: All those position groups show it up, and then I

18
00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,360
Speaker 1: think we have some notable surprises, particularly when we started

19
00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,000
Speaker 1: looking at the offensive tackle groups from guys that tested

20
00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,280
Speaker 1: and performed better than we thought they would test. Big question, THO,

21
00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,720
Speaker 1: would you get some good food. Where you're out there,

22
00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,560
Speaker 1: I would you go. It's all kind of a blur

23
00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,840
Speaker 1: to me. I saw you walking. So me and Money

24
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,720
Speaker 1: went to dinner one night and it was it was

25
00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,800
Speaker 1: a place right by the window, and we saw you

26
00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,440
Speaker 1: walk by one she came walk by that. We're like,

27
00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,959
Speaker 1: where is Bucky going? He's just pacing out here. Okay,

28
00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,080
Speaker 1: I need this truth. Truth. I was trying to find

29
00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,600
Speaker 1: a Nike Sweet. Okay, it was in them ready, I

30
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,520
Speaker 1: found it. Yeah, and I'm excited I found it. Yeah. So,

31
00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,920
Speaker 1: so I was trying to find a Nike Sweet. I

32
00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,160
Speaker 1: couldn't find a Litmeridian hotel. But I finally found it,

33
00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,680
Speaker 1: and the people that kind folks at Nike, you know,

34
00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,640
Speaker 1: with a nice little bag. Nice good for you, buck Um.

35
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,360
Speaker 1: So let's jump into this what we saw. Well, kind

36
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,840
Speaker 1: of go by a position here and just kind of

37
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,080
Speaker 1: highlight what we saw from the combine quarterbacks. Buck. I mean,

38
00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,680
Speaker 1: I've said I've used the same kind of terminology through

39
00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,320
Speaker 1: the whole process that I'm having commitment issues. Uh, normally

40
00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,600
Speaker 1: by this time my mom locked in on a guy.

41
00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,120
Speaker 1: Um last year said I was married before I got

42
00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,240
Speaker 1: the mobile with with Carson Wentz. This year, I haven't

43
00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,920
Speaker 1: haven't had that same commitment level. And then I came

44
00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,519
Speaker 1: out of the combine and everybody's gonna say, um, you know, look,

45
00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,000
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't really, you know, adjust your rankings

46
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,680
Speaker 1: off the comby. Well, here's a thing. The top quarterbacks,

47
00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,440
Speaker 1: I wonder, classman, I don't know how. We don't know

48
00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,080
Speaker 1: how big they are until we get to the to

49
00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,919
Speaker 1: the combine. Um. Getting to see them all throw live

50
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,560
Speaker 1: on the same field at the same time gives you

51
00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,200
Speaker 1: a good sense of what you're dealing with. Arm talent,

52
00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,120
Speaker 1: gives a good sense of where they are footwork wise.

53
00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,480
Speaker 1: Asked to make some different throws they didn't necessarily see

54
00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,840
Speaker 1: them make consistently or be asked to make consistently at

55
00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,800
Speaker 1: the collegiate level. So I think there is some value there.

56
00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,560
Speaker 1: And when you have a year like this one where

57
00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520
Speaker 1: it's very muddy, the pictures very muddy, they all have flaws,

58
00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,520
Speaker 1: they all have their issues, I thought coming out of

59
00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,360
Speaker 1: the combine. I tweeted it out and I and I

60
00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,600
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit on air. Deshaun Watson

61
00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 1: based off based off people that interviewed him, the reviews,

62
00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,160
Speaker 1: you heard the same thing that I heard reviews were outstanding.

63
00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,080
Speaker 1: Goes on. He's two two pounds, I believe, right, So

64
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,560
Speaker 1: he was about, I don't know, ten pounds bigger than

65
00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,000
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be. He's a little bit

66
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,400
Speaker 1: thicker through the ball, smooth and easy. His footwork was clean.

67
00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,200
Speaker 1: Um he was. He just was very, very impressive. And

68
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,840
Speaker 1: so I come out of this saying, Okay, it's all

69
00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,280
Speaker 1: muddied in there and all close together. Deshaun Watson does that,

70
00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,200
Speaker 1: then you you have the other case you can make

71
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 1: for him, which we've said. We talked about the number

72
00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,400
Speaker 1: of starts, We talked about the way he's played on

73
00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,200
Speaker 1: a big stage, his poiss, toughness, those are irrefutable. The

74
00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 1: issues we have with interceptions, decision making is still a

75
00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,800
Speaker 1: major problem. It's something you're gonna have to work through

76
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,000
Speaker 1: at the next level. It's gonna take some time. But

77
00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,760
Speaker 1: when i'm if I'm thinking about it as a court case,

78
00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,840
Speaker 1: the evidence mounting in support of Deshaun Watson has almost

79
00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,240
Speaker 1: reached the port point where it's overwhelming and you have

80
00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,520
Speaker 1: no choice but to go in that direction. It's it's

81
00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of funny because we both were viewing the quarterback

82
00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,800
Speaker 1: position very similar we had Deshaun Kaiser kind of as

83
00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,560
Speaker 1: the guy going in. Part of that is because he

84
00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080
Speaker 1: has all the prototypical things that you typically look for

85
00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,960
Speaker 1: at the position. Big arm, athletic enough uh makes these

86
00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,440
Speaker 1: impressive timing and anticipatory throws that NFL quarterbacks are expected

87
00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,080
Speaker 1: to make. You can try and talk around eight. They

88
00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,520
Speaker 1: had the four in eight season and kind of came

89
00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,640
Speaker 1: off the wheels. How did it happen? So going into

90
00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 1: the thing, I'm still convinced that this is his show.

91
00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,200
Speaker 1: With that arm and that talent, He's going to while

92
00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 1: everybody and kind of make it like wow, you know,

93
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,520
Speaker 1: we need to take a look at it. And he

94
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,040
Speaker 1: underwhelmed only in terms of being inconsistent with his throwing.

95
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,800
Speaker 1: You thought, in this environment you can feel the velocity

96
00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,719
Speaker 1: and the zip. But if he had come out and

97
00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,000
Speaker 1: he was throwing all fastballs and strikes and hitting the

98
00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,320
Speaker 1: strikes on, you would make a case that man. You know,

99
00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm still saying that this is a guy. But he didn't.

100
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,560
Speaker 1: So when you leave the door open with Deshaun Wasason

101
00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,400
Speaker 1: and missed Trabisky, you're looking at Deshaun Wasson and you

102
00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,480
Speaker 1: talk about the easy nature of him throwing. But I

103
00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,000
Speaker 1: think it's even beyond that. Of all those guys, those

104
00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,680
Speaker 1: three guys, he looked most comfortable in that environment. It

105
00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 1: didn't seem like all the scouts and the GM or

106
00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,000
Speaker 1: the bigness of the stage or what was on the

107
00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,840
Speaker 1: line bothered him. And it kind of fits with kind

108
00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,520
Speaker 1: of how he plays in some of those big games.

109
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,120
Speaker 1: And then when you go to your buddies, you talk

110
00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 1: to your coaches, your gentlemanager, just scouting friends, and you

111
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,400
Speaker 1: asked him, Amen, how do you do interview? Killed it? Man? Hi?

112
00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 1: I Q while he just has a presence, and when

113
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,599
Speaker 1: you take that information in comparison to what you heard

114
00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,120
Speaker 1: from the other guys, he just kind of like the

115
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 1: guy that kind of takes over. And the horse racing

116
00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,880
Speaker 1: is leading by knows just based on how the intangible

117
00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,799
Speaker 1: things go. Now I believe it now becomes a two

118
00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,360
Speaker 1: horse race, and I think that Sean kind of falls

119
00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,400
Speaker 1: Kaiser falls out of it, and it becomes are you

120
00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,600
Speaker 1: willing to go with Mr Bisky, who is more of

121
00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 1: your prototypical passer can do all those things, or are

122
00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,200
Speaker 1: you willing to maybe lose a bit of that to

123
00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,839
Speaker 1: gain the leader and the uh the guts with the

124
00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,280
Speaker 1: grit quote unquote a factor. Yeah. So, I mean, I

125
00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 1: think it's a tough one and I can see it

126
00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,360
Speaker 1: going either way, but I do believe it's kind of

127
00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,160
Speaker 1: separated to now it's a two horse race at the

128
00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,280
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. And I

129
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,279
Speaker 1: had said previously had met with Trubisky. I want to

130
00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,760
Speaker 1: meet with the other two at some point in time.

131
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,679
Speaker 1: It is helpful to get a chance to be around

132
00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,159
Speaker 1: these guys. But um, I was saying, Okay, I didn't.

133
00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna update my fifty before the before the

134
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,919
Speaker 1: com I just didn't have a chance to do it.

135
00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna have Traubisky over Kaiser, and then I

136
00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,440
Speaker 1: would have sort out Kaiser and Watson. And so I'm

137
00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 1: still gonna keep Trabisky over Kaiser. So Kaiser is gonna

138
00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,120
Speaker 1: go from my top guy to my third guy, and

139
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,560
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna end up Yeah, I gotta sort this out.

140
00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably go watch Cup more games just so

141
00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,240
Speaker 1: I can get a little more courage, uh, and then

142
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,919
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna end up going Watson, Trubisky, Kaiser. But

143
00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,440
Speaker 1: again I said it, you know, it's it's still it's

144
00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,919
Speaker 1: not a it's not a year you're banging the table

145
00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,960
Speaker 1: for a guy. I look, we're getting married, but we're

146
00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 1: not skipping down the aisle, you know, And it's not

147
00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,400
Speaker 1: a clean thing. So I kind of reworked my five

148
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,880
Speaker 1: coming in and I had Kaiser and I kind of

149
00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,960
Speaker 1: bumped Drabinski over Watson. Part of that was anticipating that

150
00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,520
Speaker 1: Mitch would really probably surpassed um and let's be honest,

151
00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,880
Speaker 1: true Bisky on tape this year was consistent and he

152
00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't throw his well during drill. So I still think

153
00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 1: you have to keep in the line. But now if

154
00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,480
Speaker 1: I have to reset, and I know people like, how

155
00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,280
Speaker 1: can you make these think? But these things happened kind

156
00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,880
Speaker 1: of meeting rooms all the time. When you have all

157
00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,520
Speaker 1: the time, this is a cluster buster. All of these

158
00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,800
Speaker 1: guards are similarly graded. No one has a super higher

159
00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,520
Speaker 1: grade or superior grade. Everyone's kind of in the same range.

160
00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,880
Speaker 1: So now you have those three guys in a clump,

161
00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,480
Speaker 1: and as you dig deeper, you kind of rearrange the order.

162
00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800
Speaker 1: So now I would rearrange the order and have Kaiser

163
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,880
Speaker 1: will be number three. I still have Watson number two,

164
00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,240
Speaker 1: and then miss Robinsky number one, which is not necessarily

165
00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,080
Speaker 1: how I came into the thing thinking. But I do

166
00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,440
Speaker 1: believe if you go off the tape, the tape for

167
00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,400
Speaker 1: Mitch is better than the tape for Watson at this time.

168
00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it is no other time. You can't add

169
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,360
Speaker 1: anything in, and so it had just come down to

170
00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 1: like that gut field. But if you go by the tape,

171
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,480
Speaker 1: and even though he only has thirteen games, the tape

172
00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,280
Speaker 1: of Mr Bisky playing quarterback, in terms of throwing and

173
00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,480
Speaker 1: doing the stuff that most inter your quarterbacks do, I

174
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120
Speaker 1: would say it's probably a little better than what we've

175
00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,760
Speaker 1: seen from Watson. Even though you like the big game splashes,

176
00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,760
Speaker 1: I wish you could put them all together. You have

177
00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, you know, if you can combine it

178
00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,200
Speaker 1: all together. Because I'm sitting here again and I just

179
00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,480
Speaker 1: the one thing you want to have in a draft

180
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,960
Speaker 1: for room. And this is one of the things you

181
00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,400
Speaker 1: benefit as a scout from going into the school. You

182
00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,000
Speaker 1: benefit from really getting to know the kid as well

183
00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,199
Speaker 1: as you know, being involved in the interview process of

184
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,679
Speaker 1: the combine all those points of contact you have. The

185
00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,400
Speaker 1: tape gives you courage, no question what what you see

186
00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,480
Speaker 1: you can give you courage and conviction. When you get

187
00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,720
Speaker 1: to know the person and you can marry up the

188
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,560
Speaker 1: person with the player. That's when we talk about standing

189
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 1: on the table for a guy. And to me, like

190
00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,360
Speaker 1: last year met with the with the quarterbacks and to

191
00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,520
Speaker 1: to watch Carson Wentz and really like him, but then

192
00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,880
Speaker 1: to meet with him and just see the presence that

193
00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,400
Speaker 1: he had filled up the whole room, the command, the

194
00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,679
Speaker 1: whole the whole deal was just like, that's what he's

195
00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy done. I'm done. Yeah. I mean, you know,

196
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,160
Speaker 1: it's tough because I think to a man, when you

197
00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,439
Speaker 1: meet with Deshaun and you understand the confidence and you've

198
00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,240
Speaker 1: seen the nature of what he brings to the table

199
00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,559
Speaker 1: walking in the room, it's easy to fall in love

200
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,560
Speaker 1: with that stuff, but you also have to fight against

201
00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,559
Speaker 1: that part of it and really look at hy performing

202
00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,440
Speaker 1: how through the ball and when we look at how

203
00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,160
Speaker 1: we threw the ball, I think there's certain things that

204
00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,560
Speaker 1: are very very clearly evident in his game. He's a

205
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,000
Speaker 1: quick rhythm thrower. He excels at um what I call

206
00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,240
Speaker 1: the quick game to catch and throw, just get it

207
00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,600
Speaker 1: out of his hands. Things working within the ten yard box.

208
00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,920
Speaker 1: If we push it beyond that level, he is what

209
00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,280
Speaker 1: I call kind of like a rhythm passer um skinny

210
00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,959
Speaker 1: post seam routes time on time, ball comes out on time.

211
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,680
Speaker 1: He can do it where he struggled on tape the

212
00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,720
Speaker 1: deep ball. He missed a lot of deep balls down

213
00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,320
Speaker 1: both boundaries, and the deep balls that he typically connected

214
00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,560
Speaker 1: on we're back shoulder phase, which are more of the

215
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480
Speaker 1: rhythm throws as opposed to I'm gonna take a shot

216
00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,600
Speaker 1: down the field. When you compare that to the way

217
00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,240
Speaker 1: Mitch Drabinsky plays, Mitch kind of season all the rhythm game,

218
00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:26,240
Speaker 1: but also anticipation, participation, deep sales, those fifteen yard outs

219
00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,720
Speaker 1: to the boundary digs coming over across the middle, things

220
00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,839
Speaker 1: that you really ask NFL quarterbacks to do a lot

221
00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,520
Speaker 1: like Mitch, it's probably a little superior to the Sean

222
00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,760
Speaker 1: in that vein. And so with both quarterbacks, it's important

223
00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,760
Speaker 1: that whoever takes them has a clear plan for what

224
00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,040
Speaker 1: they want to do with their skills. The thing that

225
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,600
Speaker 1: you worry about, and I think is the thing that

226
00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,600
Speaker 1: kind of hangs over to your biscuit thing it Mitch

227
00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,040
Speaker 1: had another year, If he had another year, another resume

228
00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,720
Speaker 1: like on his resume where he had twenty games as

229
00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,280
Speaker 1: opposed to thirteen I think then you could really confidently say, Okay,

230
00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I wanted to go with Dr Biscuit

231
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,240
Speaker 1: because I've seen us is staying uh track record of

232
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,000
Speaker 1: success with him playing this way. Thirteen games is just

233
00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,439
Speaker 1: kind of hard to jump fully in to say that

234
00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,760
Speaker 1: he's going to be a player X down the road. Kaya.

235
00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,440
Speaker 1: I thought I had a really good workout, and we

236
00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,800
Speaker 1: talked about our issues with Kai are concerns with him,

237
00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,400
Speaker 1: and havn't move around, but didn't have to move around

238
00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,560
Speaker 1: really in this workout, so I thought he had really

239
00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,600
Speaker 1: had the best feet of any of the quarterbacks. Just

240
00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I saw that you put

241
00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,679
Speaker 1: that out, and maybe I had a different take, and

242
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe my take was more so I wanted to see

243
00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,080
Speaker 1: him run around in tests, and he didn't test. And

244
00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,640
Speaker 1: so if the biggest issues are Brad Hie is a

245
00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,319
Speaker 1: statue in the pocket, you worry about him moving around.

246
00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,680
Speaker 1: Even if you had done some of the testing stuff,

247
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,240
Speaker 1: I probably would have come away thinking like, hey, he's

248
00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: a better player in terms of throwing. Yeah, the footwork,

249
00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what he is in terms of

250
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 1: the arm strength or whatever. But maybe because he elected

251
00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,960
Speaker 1: not to do the testing part. I couldn't go all in.

252
00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,440
Speaker 1: I think we have to at least talk about the

253
00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,480
Speaker 1: guy who has gotten the motion. Yeah, Pat mahomes like,

254
00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,840
Speaker 1: what was what was your I guess feeling or opinion

255
00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,559
Speaker 1: on him coming in and what did you see from

256
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,480
Speaker 1: him at the workout? Because I've heard different reports from

257
00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,320
Speaker 1: our analysts and other analysts about ah he was big

258
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,720
Speaker 1: arm gunslinger, he has all these things you want to

259
00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,680
Speaker 1: work with. But when I watched him, yeah, he slunk it.

260
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,440
Speaker 1: But I also know that doing it in this sterile

261
00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,480
Speaker 1: environment without people doing it throwing on time, that is great.

262
00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,559
Speaker 1: But when you watch him, he doesn't play like that.

263
00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,839
Speaker 1: So can he take this new and improved footwork and

264
00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,720
Speaker 1: mechanics and play like that when the bullets are flying?

265
00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,679
Speaker 1: I still think it's a long, long process. You've got

266
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of armed Talent's got that unique kind of

267
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,600
Speaker 1: three quarter a little inside out delivery that he's got

268
00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,880
Speaker 1: there and from the lower half. Even though he had

269
00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,120
Speaker 1: he had quick feet, I didn't know that it was repeated.

270
00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,560
Speaker 1: Everything he did wasn't repeatable. You know, you watch like

271
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,040
Speaker 1: That's one of the things with Watson. I give him

272
00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,440
Speaker 1: credit for it looks exactly the same on every drop.

273
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,360
Speaker 1: Everything is the same pacing to it, everything is the

274
00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,920
Speaker 1: same rhythm to it, and get incorporate your lower half

275
00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,600
Speaker 1: with Mahomes. Even in a sterile environment like that, it's

276
00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,320
Speaker 1: still it's different. It's different from from one snap to

277
00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,160
Speaker 1: the next. And you talk about you know, in baseball scouting,

278
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,000
Speaker 1: they talk about that repeatable delivery, right, something you can

279
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,520
Speaker 1: do over and over and over again, and that's how

280
00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,160
Speaker 1: you become consistent. And I don't I don't really get

281
00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,080
Speaker 1: that from Homes. Now. He's he's a got a huge arms,

282
00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,520
Speaker 1: he's a really good athlete, tested well, Um got a shot,

283
00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:20,959
Speaker 1: no question, not saying he didn't have a shot to

284
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,280
Speaker 1: be a starter. But I just think it's gonna be

285
00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,880
Speaker 1: a long time. Well I think so. And I don't

286
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,920
Speaker 1: know how if you say in the first round, that's

287
00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120
Speaker 1: your guy, I couldn't do that. Who was willing to

288
00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,720
Speaker 1: kind of hits your wagon to him? And who's willing

289
00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,040
Speaker 1: to not only hit your wagon to him, but hittorr

290
00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,800
Speaker 1: wagon knowing that you have to fix some of those

291
00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,440
Speaker 1: flaws to get him ready to be a guy? Way?

292
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,920
Speaker 1: Was there anybody else? Any other quarterback? That kind of

293
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,079
Speaker 1: stood out. I know, um, we had an epic debate

294
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,079
Speaker 1: about Nathan Peterman on the thing. What were your thoughts

295
00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640
Speaker 1: on Nathan Peterman. I think Nathan Peterman is gonna be

296
00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, I know we've talked about before about Kirk Cousins.

297
00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,680
Speaker 1: I think Kirk has a stronger arm. I think he does.

298
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,480
Speaker 1: But you know who I kind of came away thinking

299
00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,920
Speaker 1: after watching him it was Brian Hoyer. Okay, you know

300
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,280
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer. If you get he's he's a bridge quarterback.

301
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,319
Speaker 1: He's a great backup quarterback. He get you through three

302
00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,120
Speaker 1: or four games, no problem. Um, your starter goes down

303
00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,760
Speaker 1: for the year, you plug him in and he can

304
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,080
Speaker 1: keep your team afloat. But you're not gonna win because

305
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 1: of him. You're gonna you have to surround him and

306
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,680
Speaker 1: win with him. And even that is gonna be a

307
00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,000
Speaker 1: little bit more. He just didn't have a ton of

308
00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,440
Speaker 1: armed town. He's just a huge He's a super huge trailer.

309
00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,880
Speaker 1: He's a big trailers eight team wheel trailer. I think

310
00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,720
Speaker 1: the big thing with him, if you think about that,

311
00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,120
Speaker 1: just in those terms. Those terms lead me to think

312
00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,800
Speaker 1: fourth round telling in the way that you describe, like, hey,

313
00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,200
Speaker 1: you know he's a he's a borderline guy. He may

314
00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,720
Speaker 1: be a backup, maybe a spot starter in a bridge.

315
00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,320
Speaker 1: So if you start thinking fourth round or you developmental guys,

316
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 1: they kind of puts him in that fourth round conversation. Ideally,

317
00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,600
Speaker 1: then you may get drafted sooner than but ideally you're thinking,

318
00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,040
Speaker 1: this is a backup of developmental guy two or three

319
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,880
Speaker 1: years away from having an opportunity to crack the store online.

320
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960
Speaker 1: If you view him like that, that's one thing. However,

321
00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,520
Speaker 1: if you take him in the second round high, you're

322
00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,760
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be a I started and I just

323
00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,800
Speaker 1: don't see him. Well, we look at the third fourth

324
00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,040
Speaker 1: round guys that have turned out to be really good

325
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,520
Speaker 1: starters in the NFL, Kirk Cousins, a bigger Arm, big arm,

326
00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, big arm, Dak Prescott, big arm. Yeah, and

327
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,960
Speaker 1: those guys all kind of have that common Yeah, they

328
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,920
Speaker 1: had that in common. Um, the thing that he has

329
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 1: he does have two years as a starter to use

330
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,880
Speaker 1: at a starter in an offense that is a little

331
00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,480
Speaker 1: more traditional to some of the offense that he's He's

332
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,200
Speaker 1: ahead of a lot of guys from that. And and

333
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080
Speaker 1: the thing is, like I think the other thing that

334
00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,360
Speaker 1: he does. And I don't know if a lot of

335
00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming into the league understand he understands it who

336
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,360
Speaker 1: exactly who he is. So when you're talking about coming out,

337
00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,040
Speaker 1: comes out early, throws it high. He has the paid

338
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 1: manning trick down so on the deep ball, the ball

339
00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,440
Speaker 1: is out and up before the guys ten to twoelve

340
00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,240
Speaker 1: yards down the field and he kind of runs up under.

341
00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,560
Speaker 1: He has that. So like Cody Kessler, I think that's

342
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,680
Speaker 1: a great comparison because that's what it is. Because think

343
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,680
Speaker 1: about it. Cody Kessler got in last year, right, and

344
00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,000
Speaker 1: and it was fine, like get him into play, could

345
00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,600
Speaker 1: deliver the ball accurately and all that stuff, and they

346
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,120
Speaker 1: know what the season ended, and guess what the brown said,

347
00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,600
Speaker 1: we gotta go find a quarterback. So I mean, I

348
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 1: think from from from the outside and you look how

349
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 1: to go he's not maybe like but you know what

350
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,760
Speaker 1: they say, Okay, it's floor and it's ceiling, Like we

351
00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,000
Speaker 1: know we got Cody Kessler's floor and ceiling or in

352
00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,440
Speaker 1: the same floor. That's the same location in the building. Right,

353
00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,000
Speaker 1: It's it's it's at the same spot. It's not a

354
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 1: noticeable thing. And if he was surrounded by better weapons

355
00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,240
Speaker 1: on the outside. You could play with a guy like

356
00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,640
Speaker 1: that for a little while and have some success, but

357
00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,480
Speaker 1: all the things around him have to be right. So

358
00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,680
Speaker 1: your margin for air when we talk about the quarterbacks,

359
00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,160
Speaker 1: the better the player, the better the talent, the bigger

360
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,960
Speaker 1: the margin for air in terms of how you stack

361
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,960
Speaker 1: your supporting cast. And so with a guy like Peterman,

362
00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 1: much like we talked about with Cody Kessler, you just

363
00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,280
Speaker 1: have to make sure that everything around him is super solid.

364
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,200
Speaker 1: All right, A couple of things we gotta fly through

365
00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,720
Speaker 1: these next positions. So we want to spend a little

366
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 1: more time on the quarterbacks. There. Running backs, I'm gonna

367
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 1: read you some numbers here, Buck, Are you ready for this? One?

368
00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,560
Speaker 1: Five eleven uh five eleven two, So five eleven and

369
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 1: a quarter two pounds, ran four four nine vertical thirty

370
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,240
Speaker 1: seven and a half broad ten one and destroyed the shuttles.

371
00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,680
Speaker 1: Mr Christian McCaffrey, you made yourself a little cash. I think.

372
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,840
Speaker 1: I think he made a lot of cash. And I

373
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,400
Speaker 1: think the reason he made a lot of cash um

374
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,560
Speaker 1: is because not only like that stuff. I think coming

375
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,040
Speaker 1: in he had a lot of pressure for the field

376
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 1: workout because He only did ten reps on the bench

377
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 1: for us, and when you do that, you're like, how's

378
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 1: he going to work out? But then he worked out fine.

379
00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,000
Speaker 1: You talk about the numbers, the explosive his thirty seven

380
00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,720
Speaker 1: and half inch vertical uh going over ten feeding the

381
00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,400
Speaker 1: broad jumped the shuttles while standing. But even beyond that,

382
00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,280
Speaker 1: after his workout, and you may have been on air,

383
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,679
Speaker 1: so you may not have been able to see it

384
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,160
Speaker 1: after the running back work his his receiver workout was ridiculous.

385
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,760
Speaker 1: They took a handful of those guys, Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey,

386
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,240
Speaker 1: a couple other guys, and they put him in the

387
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,639
Speaker 1: slot and they had him run a variety of routes,

388
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,240
Speaker 1: jerk rouse, whip routes, option routes, had him recoverage and

389
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,040
Speaker 1: do those things. He was a natural, and he was

390
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,480
Speaker 1: a natural so much that you can see a team

391
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,960
Speaker 1: using him. Yeah, he's the back, but we're gonna keep

392
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,919
Speaker 1: regular personnel on the field, but we're gonna use him

393
00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,359
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver and find a way to create

394
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,199
Speaker 1: mismatches on the field. I thought he and Alvin Kamara,

395
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 1: in terms of running routes and understanding the timing of

396
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,760
Speaker 1: the passing game and how to get open and having

397
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,600
Speaker 1: some savvy at their routes. I thought they were outstanding.

398
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 1: And Christian mccarefrey to me, I still believe he's a

399
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 1: borderline first round talent. But I definitely could see where

400
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,119
Speaker 1: a creative guy, innovator, a thinker would say, Man, I

401
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,679
Speaker 1: can really take him and get a lot of knowledge

402
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,040
Speaker 1: out of him. Are you on my over under all?

403
00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 1: Right over and him? That's that's rich, it's rich. He

404
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,240
Speaker 1: ran routes better than any wide receiver in the combine.

405
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he he was outstanding with it. So you

406
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,040
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, matchup league and how you used him.

407
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 1: He can start as your slot receiver and now all

408
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the two two pounds in't an issue anymore. Well,

409
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 1: I can, and I can put him in the backfield

410
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 1: for five ten plays a game. I mean, you can

411
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 1: use him. He's brilliant, so he can swallow anything you're throughout.

412
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 1: He is, like he's the perfect modern day football player. Well,

413
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean, so imagine this view the Green Bay Packers.

414
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,440
Speaker 1: So the Green Bay Packers had time Montgomery playing as

415
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,160
Speaker 1: that hybrid running back wide receiver. He's a much better

416
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 1: player than type Montgomery, not even close. And you saw

417
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,119
Speaker 1: about where Montgomery had the kind of impact on the

418
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 1: game and really helped him stabilize their running back situation

419
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 1: down the stretch. With Now you're getting the real running

420
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 1: back in Christian McCaffrey, a guy who is approven Bill

421
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,400
Speaker 1: account in terms of taking the ball but being able

422
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 1: to go in there what they call their five outpackage

423
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: where they have empty formation. He's out there. Christian McCaffrey

424
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 1: is perfect for that. I would be intrigued to see

425
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 1: what Mike McCarthy would do with a guy like that

426
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 1: that is a legitimate running back but has those wide

427
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 1: receiver qualities. I think there's a lot of teams you

428
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,199
Speaker 1: can look at it, and who knows what happens with

429
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, but like Washington, I mean, I think could

430
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,120
Speaker 1: certainly use someone like that. Like I know they have Shaneburn.

431
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 1: He's upgrade over Shane Burn and the Colts. The Colts

432
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,719
Speaker 1: could use him, the Eagles could use him. I mean,

433
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: I can throw on a bunch, yeah, I mean, I

434
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: just think there are a lot of teams that would

435
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: be intrigued by him and also gonna I mean, he

436
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna go and the thing is he gonna return

437
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 1: kicks for you. I mean, I told you I compared

438
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: I compared him to Dion Lewis, and my comparison when

439
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,959
Speaker 1: I did the book on him earlier said he kind

440
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: of reminds me of how Brian Westbrook kind of evolved

441
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: and ascended to being a worker his back. There's a

442
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: value to what he brings to this. Here's my question.

443
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: If you just parachuted into this earth and did not

444
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: know anything, and you walked into the to the combine

445
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 1: and you watched Christian McCaffrey move around, and you watched

446
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook move around, it was not close. Now it's different,

447
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: and everybody want to talk about Leonard fourn in his vertical.

448
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: Everyone want to kill him. It's two forty pounds water,

449
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: We this, that and the other. He still want out

450
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: and roll four five one whatever. Dalvin Cook came in

451
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: and we we expected him. He at four five. It

452
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: was it was a good time, a little you know,

453
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: I think it was four or five. Oh Um didn't

454
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: jump at all, and I thought just kind of had

455
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: a just lethargic fieldwork. I don't think he was in

456
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: the top five in any category any of the testing

457
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: that they did. We're talking about a guy who's got

458
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: fumble issues and who has had some issues off the

459
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: field you gotta deal with, and now you're not maybe

460
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: getting the freak athlete that you thought you were getting

461
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: on top of that, I'm telling you right now, if

462
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna bet, which I don't do because that's

463
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 1: frowned upon. Right Uh, I'm gonna tell you right now,

464
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: I think Christian McCaffrey is gonna get picked ahead of

465
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. That's a hip hop quotable. Make sure you

466
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: put that out there on Twitter as you That's that's

467
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: that's going to catch a lot of attention out there

468
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: in the Twitter verse. Make sure you're ready to handle

469
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: the trolls that come. Who's I mean, who's who's a

470
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: better route runner? I mean, he's a better route runner?

471
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 1: Who's got better hands? I mean in the passing game,

472
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: it's not even clear. The only the only thing I

473
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: think where you will come back to with Delvin Cook

474
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: in terms of as a runner, I think you will

475
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: confidently say that Dalmond Cook is a more explosive and

476
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: dynamic runner than Christie McCaffrey. I know. But then you're

477
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 1: gonna look up at that card and once it's four

478
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: four seven, and once it is four five oh, and

479
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, but you have to really yeah, but

480
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: I've seen McCaffrey with a lot of long runs. The

481
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: only difference is I think only difference is as much

482
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: as stiff dude from the pack twelve chasing him instead

483
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: of I think it's because see, now we're about to

484
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: run the risk of here's what the combine can cloud

485
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: your mind. No, but I'm just saying, that's just what

486
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: you've been in the room when that argument comes up

487
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: and you have to argue and the guy and you've

488
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: been in there when somebody So that's funny because that

489
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: card says this, and this card says that you know,

490
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: and then that's when you have to make sure you

491
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: let's go watch the tape. Go watch the tape, and

492
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: let's make sure your list we we pumped the brakes

493
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: on that. Stuff like these are fun, These are fun debates.

494
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: So because I remember being in there and go, okay,

495
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: well I don't know. I mean, he's got more using

496
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: him and go, okay, I'll tell you what I uh,

497
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: I've got all days. So if you want to go

498
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: find all that tape of Christian McCaffrey getting car from behind.

499
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: I'd love to see I'd love to see those places.

500
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's this is this is why this

501
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: podcast is fun because we can kind of take you

502
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: behind the scenes because this is exactly the conversation. I mean,

503
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's going to be a conversation because

504
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey checks all the boxes. Clean character, versatile player,

505
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: triple threat. He gives you the ability to run and

506
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: received catch the ball out of backfield, and he's a

507
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: big time returner. Dalvin Cook doesn't necessarily return, so you

508
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: lose value on that. Dalvin Cook is a guy that

509
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: I think is a little more dynamic in terms of

510
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: as a pure running back. Um, he catched the ball out.

511
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: He's eight pounds heavier. He catched the ball out of

512
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: the backfield. But you can't make the case to look

513
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey as a cleaner route runner and for the

514
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: right coordinator he can get a little more out of him.

515
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm just deal withding the bank on Dalvin Cook being

516
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: a better player. But I understand how the other side

517
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: I can say, Hey, Christian McCaffrey, I like what he does.

518
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: He's just we we always talk about in the first round.

519
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: You want to hit singles and doubles all day long.

520
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: Safe singles and doubles. You can keep your job. So

521
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely a double. I mean to me,

522
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: like when you when you you know what we'll get

523
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: on some other guys here, but McCaffrey, to me, when

524
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: you when you want to put him up on the board,

525
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: you can say, I think this kid and you look

526
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: at the shuttle times are ridiculous too. I think this

527
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: kid is gonna be a top five slot receiver in

528
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think he's gonna return kicks for us,

529
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: maybe be a Pro Bowl caliber returner, and he can

530
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: carry the ball ten to fifteen times a game if

531
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: we need him. So we're not even gonna ask him

532
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: the major in a running back. We're drafting a receiver

533
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: that can play running back. I think I think that's

534
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: the key. I think the thing that you have to

535
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: understand is clearly understand what he is and what he

536
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: is as a triple threat. If you try to make

537
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: him more of one thing than the other. What he does,

538
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: he is a triple thread ten or fifteen, carries seven

539
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: or eight receptions. Whatever he gives you in the return game,

540
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: that's who he is. Don't try to make him a

541
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: thirty carry again. But I'm almost thinking, like just watching

542
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: run routes out there, we've been talking about him, uh

543
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: major and running back, minor receiver. I think you flip

544
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: it major. I think you major and receiver and you

545
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: minor is a running Okay, So now this is now

546
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: then we're not even comparing him to Dalvin Cooker comparing

547
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: to receivers. Okay, So here this's quarterback. And I know

548
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on Christan McCaffrey, but

549
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: let's go all the way back to Reggie Bush. When

550
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush came in on the Saints. I think Reggie

551
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: Bush that rookie season that might have been there super

552
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: hundred catches, Yeah, like at least seventy five plus catches.

553
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: He was a major factor out of the backfield. And

554
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: so if we talk about that comparison christ McCaffrey Reggie Bush,

555
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: and I think it's a and in hindsight, to do

556
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: it all over again, I think it would have been

557
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: wise to make Reggie Bush a slot receiver and you

558
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: sprinkle him in the backfield eight catches pretty good. Um,

559
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: So anyways, what do you think about for Nette here?

560
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot of people made. I mean,

561
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the vertical jump, but it looks two

562
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: pounds four or five one forty. I just know as

563
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: a defender, if you have a big man that gets

564
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: to the second level and you have to take him

565
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: on running that fast, playing with that kind of violence

566
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: and ferocity, won no parts of it. I think he's done.

567
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of fit. What team wants to

568
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: have a downhill running That's the old school back. He

569
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: is um and the inside comparison, they kept bringing up

570
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: La Gary Blunt. I mean, he's a downhill whammer, and

571
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with La Gary Blunt. By

572
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: the way, he led the league in Russian touchdowns. So

573
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: when we were watching the dB workout, we'll get to

574
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: them just a minute here, But watching the Dory Jackson,

575
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I said that it reminds me a shot A like

576
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: smooth Operator. I have that song, you know, every player

577
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: has a soundtrack. His was was shot A. And then

578
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: when I'm watching Leonard Fournette, I just think of guns

579
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: and roses, and I think of appetite for destruction. That's

580
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: that's it is. He is. He is thirsty for contact. Yeah,

581
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I think, man, look he's fine.

582
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: Those people who like him and think he's special are No,

583
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: he's going to line up in the dot. You can

584
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: give him thirty carries and you can brought him out.

585
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: What I have found with that my guy Marlon Mack

586
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: from us F from South Florida had a nice workout.

587
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: Guy from Boise did a nice job. Mack is a

588
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: guy to identify as kind of like people ask me, hey,

589
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: who's that mid round that can kind of do what with

590
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: with Jordan Howard? Did I think Marley Mack is that guy?

591
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: And I believe that teams we talked about the running

592
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: backs at the top of the board, teams are bird

593
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: dogging a handful of guys that in the mid round

594
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: area that they're gonna say, look, this is a guy

595
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: that can get that can give me comfortable production to

596
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: some of the guys at the top of the board.

597
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: Camara had a good workout. I still think, look that

598
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: the thing is, there's so many backs. I'm beginning to think,

599
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: I know I want on record bold with McCaffrey, But again,

600
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking him more is kind of a receiver that

601
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: also is running back. I think we could see, you know,

602
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: Camara could be a first round casualty just because the

603
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: first round player. But there's just so many dudes. They

604
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: might say, when we get something else first, and we'll

605
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: come back for running back. I think there's a lot

606
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: of love in the clubhouse for Kamar because now what

607
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: he showed on the field, but what he did in

608
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: meting rooms. They talked about his ability to understand past protection,

609
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: his high football. I q he helped himself a lot.

610
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: What's the name of the video that he's in back

611
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: there are tuna, Mi goes, come on, I gotta look

612
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: it up again. It is me goes, thank you, he goes. Okay,

613
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: let's go to tight end. We think, whoa, I mean,

614
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: whoa tight ends? They're not messing around this year, buck No,

615
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: I said on air, was the best one that I've seen.

616
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: What what do you? What say you? I mean the

617
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: collection of guys the fastest group I've ever seen. I

618
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: mean they're great, and they're great when you compare how

619
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: the tight ends ran too, what the linebackers and stuff

620
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: we're able to do. They create problems Evan Ingram running

621
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: for forth. We knew he was a matchup nightmare. And

622
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: then you go back and you look at the Senior

623
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: Bowl and you watch him run rouse and how smooth

624
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: and how polishy is he was terrific. O J. Howard

625
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: running his time. I kind of expected that, having known

626
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: for long time. By the way, by the way, very complete.

627
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: Why tighten criminal? Criminal? How they did not use him

628
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: more at Alabama? I mean, I was just criminal. I

629
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: don't know how a guy like that doesn't have sixty

630
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: receptions in college, like ridiculous. Feel like you should know

631
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: why stick to him all day and just let him work?

632
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: Look at his Uh? I got the numbers here? So

633
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: O J ran four five one UM his ten split

634
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: was one one five three, which is outstanding. I mean

635
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: he's he's first or second in every single every single

636
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: chuttle drill that they did. The one thing in vertical, Um,

637
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: he did not make the vertical list. I don't know

638
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: what his vertical was, but it was not thirty six.

639
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: So you talk at his three cones, six eight five

640
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: he had better than Ingrad was six nine two and

641
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: he's what five inches taller? Right? That's uh? He oja

642
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: Howard and I've had it, you know, I've said it

643
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: from from jump. I've had and Joeku is my is

644
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: my top guy. Something's going with my mic here and

645
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: plug that thing back in um and Joke w has

646
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: been my top guy. And I've had oj Howard right

647
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: behind him. O Ja Howard to me close the gap

648
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: a little bit when I saw him at the Senior Bowl.

649
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: And now when you come through everything you hear about

650
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: the interviews, o Ja Howard has just checked every single

651
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: box about the process. So I think I will end

652
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: up having Oja Howard is my top tight end. Still

653
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: loving Joke Who's gonna be right behind him, but talk

654
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: about safe and with the upside O J. Howard is

655
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: it's very productive and I think, uh he's a traditional

656
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: tie it in. He's a y tight end man. You

657
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: put his hand down. I know he gives you the

658
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: athletics and he can do some things. Evan Ingram and

659
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: some of those other guys are more specialty players. You

660
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: have to have a plan. You always have to pair

661
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: them up with the Y. O J. Howard is a

662
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: guy from down end, down out three down player that

663
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: can line up and play. Why and do I mean

664
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: I kind of go back to what Jason Witten was

665
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: when he came in a little a little more explosive

666
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: version of Jason Witten. But I see like a Jason

667
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Witten type players. Some people talk about great goals. I

668
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: think this is a really really good football player. Alright,

669
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: So for Ingram, you set the over under, we're not

670
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: gonna be held just right now. Early in the process.

671
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he goes in the first round. Think

672
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: he goes on the top of the second. I think

673
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: he's gone by pick forty. It's funny he said I

674
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: was gonna say thirty five. Oh yeah. I think he's

675
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: that classic. I think I think the top of the

676
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: second round type of guy. Fast, Um really productive, smashed

677
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: him out. He's a mismash you guy. My guy, Gerald

678
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Everett from South Alabama rebounded. He had been light when

679
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: he's two twenty seven. He came into two thirty nine,

680
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: so he put the weight back on ran. I think

681
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: what he ran like four six, Oh, Um did a

682
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: nice job in the vertic. Where is he on the

683
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: vertical here? It did a nice job. He was thirty

684
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: seven and a half. So you see some of that explosiveness. Um.

685
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: And then the shuttle drills, he was outstanding. I thought

686
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: he had a good workout. So he's a to me,

687
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: he's a second round pick. And I think they're writing

688
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: they're writing that conversation. I mean the tight ends, there's

689
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: just so many tight ends that are available. How about

690
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: my monster from Ashland checking in at what to seventy

691
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: nine and running the fourth sevenths. I mean that's pretty

692
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: impressive and sevent I mean we could go on there.

693
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: There's so many of these. Care he's gonna eat himself

694
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: into an offensive tackles. He's a couple of biscuits away

695
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: um and in jokeo. I thought was was fun up.

696
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I think that those two tight ends are locks this

697
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: first round. I would not be surprised if Ingram snuck

698
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: in there as well. No, I wouldn't be uh. At

699
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: offensive line, I think we talked about how shallow the

700
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: pool is, so it's only two guys that I really

701
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: want to talk about. Gara Bowls I think lived up

702
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: to expectation in terms of being a super athlete on

703
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: the edge. I thought he was really really smooth and

704
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: fluid in terms of moving around and doing those things.

705
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: And I think Forest Lamp actually helped himself because he's

706
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: a much better athlete than I think many of us

707
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: thought coming into this. Even though we saw him for

708
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: a little bit briefly at the Senior Bowl. I was

709
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: really impressed with his athletics. Has been his movement skills.

710
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: I thought Dion Dawkins continued UH to kind of help

711
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: himself throughout the process. There was one the dude from

712
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: U I U P I have to do from Indian University, Pennsylvania.

713
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: He had a great field workout. He looked like he

714
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: looked a part of an NFL starting guard. I have

715
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: not done him yet, so I'm anxious to go watch

716
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: the tape on him. But he's one I need to

717
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: to plug into all right wide receivers. Let me tell

718
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: you real quick. So I've mentioned this before on the show.

719
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: I go to Notre Dame, Texas first game of the year.

720
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Ends up being unbelievable overtime thriller, maybe one of the

721
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: best college games here, if not the best regular season

722
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: college game of the year. I left midway through the

723
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, missed the end. Um. I go to the

724
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. USC's down two touchdowns, three and out of

725
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson's hurt I'm not sitting in this traffic anymore.

726
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: I've I've got all my notes on these guys. Bounce.

727
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: Listen to the maybe the greatest Rose Bowl of all time,

728
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: hundred one Rose bowls they played, and it's one of

729
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: the three or four best. I'm in the car on

730
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: set Buck and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

731
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Take a leak. So hey, you got a second here? Yeah, yeah,

732
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. You miss John Ross, John Rosbree

733
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: and four to two. I was taking a leak, So

734
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: miss that one as well. What else would you like

735
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: me to miss? Because it will end up being some unbelievable,

736
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: some unbelievable thing. Here's what I say about John Ross. Um,

737
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I am surprised, Like when I'm when I met one

738
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, you talked about me and stub

739
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: four three, and I was like, hey, easy, easy, If

740
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: you had the fourth three range, you're good. That's fast enough.

741
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: You're You're plenty fast. When you watch him do it,

742
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: you watch him live and you watch the TV copy,

743
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: you can see the explosiveness in the first ten yards,

744
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: the way he comes out, the way he drives out,

745
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the way he finishes. And I even say that he

746
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: let up a little it at the end. Here's what

747
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: he is to me, super fast. The four to two

748
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: shows that he has wild speed. I mean, wow, right

749
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: now speed. I think he's a polished route runner. I

750
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: love the balls because he didn't get a chance to

751
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: show any of that stuff. Because I think he really

752
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: could have made a case to be the first one

753
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: off the board if he runs routes that day in

754
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: front of everybody, after running that speed, catching the ball

755
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: like he normally catches it, I think it makes a

756
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: huge case. The biggest thing that people have with him

757
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: the durability size and injury history a bit of a

758
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: one year one because last year had all that production.

759
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: He's been beat up a little bit, hawt of a

760
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: c L some other stuff, and there's a bit of

761
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: a perception if you knock him around a little bit

762
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: you may be able to slow him down like Alabama

763
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: was able to. But in this class where you're looking

764
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: for guys that can take the top off the defense,

765
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: he's the best one. And he also offers you the

766
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: ability maybe to grow into a number one receiver ala

767
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton allowed de Sean Jackson. He's gonna make

768
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a case where he might, and I'm gonna saying he

769
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: could be the first one to go depending on how

770
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Corey Davis and Mike Williams test when they eventually tests.

771
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said t Y Hilton I might steal

772
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: that comp I like that one. He's like a little

773
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: more explosive version of t Y Hilton. That's what he

774
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: can be. Yeah, I mean Hulton. I mean we thought

775
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: he would be a complementary player, but now he's become

776
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: the number one guy. Lit. I must see ter league

777
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: in receiving yards. Maybe. But here's the thing. Here's the

778
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: thing we do the um we do those three word reports,

779
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, for fun just count Okay, what give me

780
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: three words to to sum up this player, which is challenging.

781
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: I can do it with ross and too fast and fragile,

782
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Oh fast and frasg That's what his story of his

783
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: career has been though, right, I mean, he's had a

784
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: lot of injuries and then we get to the combine

785
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: and what did we see sew fast self fragile, sef fragile.

786
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: So I mean that is it's just something you gotta

787
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: balance when you're going to the problem. You know, it's

788
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: funny when we get to the defensive back thing, I

789
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: think because another one I know, I know where you're

790
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: going with that. Let's let's get over the defensive Lindare first.

791
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I've got one other guy. I

792
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: think we have to talk about two guys. Chris god

793
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: went from Penn State. Yeah, I gotta watch man. I

794
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: feel like I've like just kind of led him kind of. Uh.

795
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: He had a great he had screwed up under and

796
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: four for two coming off the big ball game in

797
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: the Rolls ballgames. This one game catches the ball like

798
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: nobody's business. The way he called the ball and drills

799
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: his footwork, his body control, He's terrific, ran faster, He's

800
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: someone that's gonna climb with the charts. And n Z

801
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Jones I thought was pretty solid coming off the Senior Bowl.

802
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I think he certainly he had himself. Yeah. And then

803
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: the the other one was Cooper Cup. Surprised some folks, Um,

804
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: I guess some. I don't think he's prisy either. One

805
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: of us ran in a little four sixes, but he

806
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: had a nice job. But I actually think that helps

807
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: him because I felt like the Cooper Cup hype train

808
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: was running out of control and I was worried about

809
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: him being pushed up into a position where people draft

810
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: him and think that he's something that he's not, and

811
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: that is I don't think he's a number one receiver.

812
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I think he can be a uh borderline number two receiver.

813
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: I think he would be a nice number three receiver

814
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: all day in an offense his solid receivers. I think

815
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: he kind of falls back into that range. Everybody said

816
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: that he was the best interview that they had. Just

817
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise. Here's my prediction. We've been doing over unders

818
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: on him. Everybody you talked to says the same thing.

819
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: You know, glad he ran four six. When we get

820
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: him in the third round, he's gonna a great third

821
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: round pick. And guess what he's gonna go late second.

822
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: He's gonna go in the late second, And I think

823
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: that's too clean. Otherwise, I think that's where his ranges.

824
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I think. I think if you take him before that,

825
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: the expectations kind of go out of control in terms

826
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: of what he will he'll go to, and he'll go

827
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: to a good team at the bottom of the second round,

828
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: plug and play good system and be a good player.

829
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: Um flipboard defense, Let's defense defensive line was a great group, buck,

830
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: do you know, I mean it begins to start and

831
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: start at the top, So I know you were working

832
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: mean while I had a little more time on my hand,

833
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: so with a verse was going crazy over Miles Garrett

834
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: and one of our guys. I mean, I guess, I mean,

835
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's one of our guys or whatever,

836
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: but we talked were frequently. Matt Miller from NFL Draft

837
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: Scout what he did. He he tweeted Mile Garrett over everybody,

838
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, Clowney, some of those other guys. Now,

839
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I love Myles Garrett, but I think when you make

840
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: but was he talking about just from a workout stampo?

841
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: He just put he just put the alligator towards him

842
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: like lesser than greater than He said, damn over that.

843
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: And I think you have to be careful because Julish

844
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: Pepers is a Hall of Fame player, fifth all time

845
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: in sacks. Mario Williams was number one overall pick and

846
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: for a three or four year stretch he was a

847
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: dominant player, like two or three time pro bowler. He

848
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: has a lot of production. Jadavian Clowney has been hurt,

849
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: but we've seen his level of dominance. I believe Myles

850
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Garrett falls somewhere in between. I wouldn't put him up

851
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: there and say he will so pass Julius Peppers, but

852
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I do believe he's a freakish athlete who's smooth and fluid.

853
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: He has a knack for getting to the quarterback. But

854
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: and I'll say this because Book McFarlane and I kind

855
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: of got into it back and forth. Boter doesn't like him.

856
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: Gotta check his production. Just need to check his production.

857
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Had eight and a half sacks, four and a half

858
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: of those against ut San Antonio. Yep, Just be careful.

859
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: He's hurt. He's hurt this year too. He was, he

860
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: had a bad will he just you know. But we're

861
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: seeing at the top, and I know we're ready to

862
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: crown him. See this is when you'd be a nice

863
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: sound bite if you say crown as if you did

864
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: that with the hiss Green, that would be a nice

865
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: the late Denny Green, I former colleague here. But I

866
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: think the big thing with Myles Garrett is understanding where

867
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: he is. I think he's smooth, I think he's fluid.

868
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. Uh, he has all the trades.

869
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: I think it's a no brainer. You have to take

870
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: him at number one because if we talk about this

871
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: being the thing where you're checking off the boxes, We've

872
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: seen him play enough. He's put enough dominance on table

873
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: you say, hey, man, this is a terrific player, one

874
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: the best in the game. You see him work out.

875
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: He has all the things that you look for, size wise, athleticism, explosiveness, whatever.

876
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how you bypass they got, much like

877
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would have been able to

878
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: bypass David Clowney at the top of the charts. You

879
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: have to make this because if you don't and he

880
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: ends up being what everybody thinks he's gonna be, it's

881
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: a done deal. Yeah, you just hung yourself there. Um,

882
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the group, I know it's son. Reddick

883
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: worked out with a d lineman. He's a linebacker. He's

884
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: gonna go on the first round all day and helping

885
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: himself a lot. Rand four or five too. Maybe I

886
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: helped himself as much as anybody. How about the number

887
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: from Jordan Willis? You know ran four or five? Three.

888
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Buck had a long conversation with a big time scout

889
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: about him. Afterwards, he said, buck Man, I knew the

890
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: guy was a try hard guy. He was a worker,

891
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: he was productive. He just kind of was relentless. I

892
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: did not know he was that kind of athlete. So

893
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: then when you go back and you revisit it, he's like,

894
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: I might have been a little low on him or whatever.

895
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: And so I had him, to be honest, I had

896
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: him kind of in the uh probably in the early

897
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: third round ranges where I had him coming in and

898
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: and the way that I described in this conversation, I

899
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: was like, look, if you're building your defense alone, you

900
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: think about a basketball team, He's not your go to score.

901
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: He's kind of like your compliment. So if you have

902
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: a team, let's just just say to real sus is

903
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: in his prime, to rol Sas is the one that's

904
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: doing the stuff, he's your fastball. This guy kind of

905
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: comes in, he's your mid round reliever. He gets you

906
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: seven eight sacks a year, kind of holding down much

907
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: like who did you have for a long time was

908
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Johns and Jared Johnson now Jered Johnson, Paul Crewey,

909
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: like Baltib you just have to guid us on the

910
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: other side they kind of cleans up, doesn't do it

911
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: in a splashy way, but he just kind of finds

912
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: a way to get it done. When I was in Carolina,

913
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: we had Julius Peppers and Might Rucket. Might Rugget would

914
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: be more like Willison. What we're talking about, working like,

915
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: working like, And then you look at these numbers and

916
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: you're like, holy crud, those are those are kind of

917
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: freaky some of the numbers that he put up. You know,

918
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I mean, I didn't see all

919
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: that on on tape. But man, he's he's got production.

920
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: He plays hard, and he tested really well, so he's

921
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit higher than everybody thought. Um,

922
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas and Jonathan Allen, I thought, if you just

923
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: looking at a workout, it wasn't close, just in terms

924
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: of the athleticism and the juice that Solomon Thomas has.

925
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: Different different type of players, different type of lavor. But

926
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas says juice. The coin comparison has been made

927
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: to Fletcher Cox. I think that's a good comparison. I go,

928
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, I think that's another good comparison. The way

929
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: you can move him around kind of put him in

930
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: there and allow him to kind of wind it up.

931
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: He's going to be a difference maker. And I mean,

932
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't think in the rightism, in any system, I

933
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: think he could be a difference maker. I do believe

934
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: he can be one of those into your pass rushes

935
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: on Nickel situations. Derek Barnett was sick. I thought for

936
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: sure he's gonna get the forty flu. I thought because

937
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know the whole backstory. So like I just

938
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: heard Derek Barnett might not work out. I'm like, Oh,

939
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: he can't run, so he's not gonna he's not gonna run.

940
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: He's great football player, he's not really a tester. And

941
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: then I found out, okay, ay, he's legitimately sick. He

942
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: lost a bunch of weight, and he's got coming out

943
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: both ends. And then on top of that, he showed

944
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the kind of a warrior spirit, went out there and

945
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: worked out, ran did the whole deal, and actually and

946
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: we ran like think of the little four eights, which

947
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: was I was okay with that, especially you consider that the

948
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: the guys been sick. Yeah, when I guess I've been

949
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: to it. When I talked to some guys who had

950
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: watched these guys coming through the Nike Opening tour. He

951
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: and Solomon Thomas and those guys. They said, look, you

952
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: can be surprised at his test and numbers. It's not

953
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna he's not gonna while you. But it's also certainly

954
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: not as bad as some people talk about. Yeah, I

955
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: know he uh, I'm looking at it. I'm gonna pull

956
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: up his numbers here where we got here though, that's

957
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: the tight ends d d nds here. Let's see Barnett

958
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: was six three UM two fifty nine, which maybe a

959
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: little bit lighter. He ran four Okay, he ran four

960
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: eight eight, so that's not great. UM a vertical one vertical,

961
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: thirty one broad nine nine, so I'm a's not hateful

962
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: UM and shuttles four four four and six nine six.

963
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I think a couple that athleticism with what he brings technically.

964
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: I believe he'll probably command mid round, mid first round

965
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: grades almost boards, but I could see him going as

966
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: high to the Carolina Panthers as eight to anywhere below that.

967
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Down in between. I think he's I just think he's

968
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: a really really good football player, and I think you

969
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: know what you're going to get if we talk about

970
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: hitting singles and doubles. He's a double all right guy.

971
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm too low on who I really like last year.

972
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: For some reason, I've had him like in the twenties,

973
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: but I'm too low on him. He definitely is gonna

974
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: move up from me. And that's Charles Harris from Missouri.

975
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a three four outside linebacker terror. He's

976
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna be held on wheels out there. Really smooth athlete. Uh,

977
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: probably great. Probably the change of direction stuff. Probably even

978
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: smoother than we thought when you watched the A What

979
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I liked about him on tape. I liked his ability

980
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: to rush the past. I thought he was a guy

981
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: to play pretty hard. He had an acid span move

982
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: that was pretty impressive. But now you coupled that with

983
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: what you're able to see on turf. You saw the

984
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: basketball skills, because you're pretty good basketball player in high school.

985
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: You see they come out. He is someone that I

986
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: think in that four three scheme you talked about doing

987
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: some of the Michael Bennet stuff. I think he can

988
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: do that thing technically. Had a solid workout. Derek Rivers

989
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: from Youngstown had a really good workout. He's gonna go

990
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: in the second round. All day long. Taius Bowser moved

991
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: around really good from Houston. It's a loaded it's a

992
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: loaded group we got. We got a little bit of

993
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: a time constrain here, Bucks. So just linebacker wise, Um,

994
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean the big story, Rubend Foster, what's your take

995
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: on that whole situation? I mean, I I think it's

996
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: it's a bigger deal than some people have made onto

997
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: me because I'm thinking, if this is the biggest interview,

998
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: the biggest job interview of your football life, the fact

999
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: that you can't kind of keep your emotions in check

1000
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: to avoid a situation where you have to be sent

1001
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: home as I'm pressid in it to be sent home

1002
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: to me, is I responsible? And I think it raises

1003
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: concerns about his professionalism, his emotional control, and how he

1004
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: can function outside of a struct an environment like he

1005
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: was in in Alabama. Yeah, I know, it's It'll be

1006
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: interesting to see how I'm gonna get some feedback coming

1007
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: out of this, out of the Pro day and see

1008
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: what teams meet with him and what they find out

1009
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: a about that situation and what their take is on him.

1010
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: And he's a phenomenal football player. With that whole situation,

1011
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: I was disappointed. Is that kind of him for everything

1012
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: that that kind of him was supposed to be people

1013
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: talking about him being a long range e you get

1014
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: I saw you wrote that. Did you get pushed back

1015
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: on that at all from people? Yeah, I don't care,

1016
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, because the numbers aren't They're not terrible, They're

1017
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: just weren't what we we had totally maybe you could

1018
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: run on the right. And then more so, it wasn't

1019
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: even even necessarily the numbers. It was just looking at

1020
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: him move around, I cut, Yeah, he's okay, and I think,

1021
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: to me, he just kind of plays okay. I never

1022
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: see him take over. I want to see a guy.

1023
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: When you see an athlete like that, you want to

1024
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: see the takeover. I never saw the takeover. I wasn't

1025
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: never all the way in there um and didn't see

1026
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: anything that was going to really throw him higher up

1027
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: on the board. For me. T J. Watt had a

1028
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: really good work out. He's again, I think he's a

1029
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: borderline one. I think he's gonna go in two. He's

1030
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna go in the top forty. I think for sure. Yeah,

1031
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: I think I think I think it certainly helps that

1032
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: he had the last name. His numbers buck Now. His

1033
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: numbers were impressive. His numbers in the workout were impressive.

1034
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: The funny thing is like looking at the numbers and

1035
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: watchington workout, I thought he was okay. I didn't didn't

1036
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: come away like, Wow, he's gonna be a dude. I

1037
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: think he's certainly um, a hard worker, he certainly has

1038
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: the athleticism. Did that we saw um based on the numbers.

1039
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if it always translates to

1040
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: like outstanding dominance, But I thought he thought coming down

1041
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: the stretch, especially like the Bowl games, some of the

1042
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: last couple of games, I thought he took over in

1043
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: some of those games. He turned to one of those

1044
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: guys where you're like, hey, it's kind of the family business,

1045
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the late bloomers. Big brother was a late bloomer, and

1046
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: he's his kind of show beast football right now, and

1047
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of looking at him, going, okay, I see

1048
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: all the same thing with his brother, right so, okay,

1049
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: pretty good, really good player. But he got better as

1050
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: a year his college career went on. And then you

1051
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: look at where the line is, the trajectory is going,

1052
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna see people do the same

1053
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: thing with it. With his little brother here, I can say,

1054
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: I can't disagree. I think second round player. I wouldn't

1055
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: put him in the first. Yeah, I think he's gonna

1056
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: I think he'll go on top forty. Um. Then uh,

1057
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, Anzeloni from Florida had a good workout and

1058
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Anzaloni was impressive at the Senior Bowl. But when I

1059
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: watched him in the drills hell South on the Sunline,

1060
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: he had a little thumb to him. So I like

1061
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: him be tested. Will He's just kind of one of

1062
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: those guys that just kind of hangs out that you

1063
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: don't really talk about. But I think he's going to

1064
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: end up being a really good player. Maybe third round

1065
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: is a nice little spot for him to go because

1066
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: I think he can control the move. All right, so

1067
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: let's go to let's go secondary secondary. We can quickly

1068
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: breathe through it, all right. The number one thing and

1069
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: you referenced it earlier, and I'm guessing where you're going

1070
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: with fast and fragile, fast and fragile. Marshtatn Lattimore my

1071
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: number three overall player, Marhawn Lattimore. Now I know he's

1072
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: trying to fight the perception. We knew the hamstring issues

1073
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: were a problem because it kind of kept him out

1074
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: of two years at Ohio State. I had issues with

1075
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: him before even digging dealing with the hamstrings because what

1076
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: I worry about, and I know we do this for quarterbacks,

1077
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: we may not do it with other position players. He's

1078
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: only started thirteen games as a collegian, and four team

1079
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: that's hanging their heat on this guy coming in being

1080
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: a lockdown corner. I just don't know if he's seen

1081
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: enough ball to understand how to play the position, and

1082
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the transition may take him a little while to get

1083
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: up to snuff. Is being number one and then when

1084
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: he goes and runs to four threes and that was

1085
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: a terrific time or aut eleven. Yeah, but then he

1086
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: had to shut it down. He said it's a hip

1087
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: flesher issue, a hip flexor issue, not a hamstring issue.

1088
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: But it kind of falls back into the narrative that

1089
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: we have with John Ross. Is he going to be

1090
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: available to you or will he always be a guy

1091
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: that is the best that never was because he's just

1092
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: not on the field. Yeah, I gotta I mean, I'm

1093
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: probably gonna drop him down a little bit on my

1094
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: list just because of what I'm learning about the hamstrings

1095
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: and all that. But man, it's a football player where

1096
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: you watch him on tape, he's a freak. He may

1097
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a freak. He's a freak athlete. The

1098
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: only thing that I would tell me, I feel like

1099
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: we need to pour a little gunpowder in his mouth.

1100
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: I need to be a little more physical consistently. I

1101
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: want to see him kind of bang a little bit

1102
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: because the dividing fact that there are a lot of

1103
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: guys in this class. In other classes, he wouldn't have

1104
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to worry about it. But this is

1105
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: a draft where there's so many corners that you can

1106
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: use to tackle as a separator, like the guys that tackle.

1107
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: But Sidney Jones is a better tackle to me. Some

1108
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: other guys on the corner mar the Humphrey will bang

1109
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: and tackle by the way Sidney Jones, I thought it

1110
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: was an average workout. It was just okay. It was

1111
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: just a thought of Dorry Jackson look ten times more

1112
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: explosive and more fluid. Just watching him through the drills

1113
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: and the Dorry Jackson, the way he goes up and

1114
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: gets the football was impressive. I think the Dorry Jackson

1115
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: is the one that helped himself that he's going in

1116
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: the first round. I think he has I think he

1117
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: has to go in the first round. People took me

1118
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: to task because they're like, why do you have him

1119
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: at thirty one to the Falcons and the mock draft. One,

1120
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: it's a mock draft and I really don't care. Two,

1121
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sure that I get him in

1122
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: the first round because I think that's where he's gonna go.

1123
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: Its talent goes. I think he helped himself um the

1124
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: safety class. Josh Jones from North Carolina State made himself

1125
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: some money. Marcus Williams from Houston from hut made himself

1126
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: some money, helped himself. I thought Jabrill Peppers was pretty good.

1127
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: Now it's funny. My perception on Jabrill Peppers and turns

1128
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: of the way he moved around was one thing. But

1129
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: when I talked to coaches that were right on the field,

1130
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: they're like, he's okay. I still think I gotta keep

1131
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: him to the ball. The guy that everyone to a

1132
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: man couldn't stop talking to what they talked about Obie

1133
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: but Jamal Adams and they didn't talk about him on

1134
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: the fifth day. Buck he can move around and whatever

1135
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: they say, but he is a temperature Changpha mail down

1136
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: that when he comes into the room and interviews, you

1137
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: just feel the energy and the way he committed and

1138
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: said he he Darnia took the clicker out of the

1139
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: coach's hands and ran everything. And he just talked about

1140
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: if you're a team and this is a guy who

1141
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: was not a big fan of safeties in the first round,

1142
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: he said, but you kind of have to take the

1143
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: guy because the guy is a leader and he kind

1144
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: of has that with the skill set. I'll tell you

1145
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: who else had a big time to day with Gary

1146
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: and Connley at the corner from Ohio State. Gary Conley,

1147
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: he looks like a top I tweeted, I looked at

1148
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: the top fifteen pick. In fact, I was Sydney Jones

1149
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: look better than all those dudes. I was gonna say, Man,

1150
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: you almost gonna make the case that he might be

1151
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the best corner your state in terms of like the

1152
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: way he the way he does it. He is definitely

1153
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: in the conversation that that cornerback position Davis White was good.

1154
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I'll talk to people who loves him in the room,

1155
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: loved watching them. I mean, there are a lot of

1156
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: players on the defense, on the ball and the defensive

1157
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: backfield that can help you and the benefit of this

1158
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: in the second and third round, those guys are gonna

1159
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: fly off to board. The other one from U C.

1160
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: L A Febe Morrow, another one smooth fluid. I mean,

1161
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: in any other year, it's like a slam dunk first

1162
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: round pick. A six ft corner could run like that.

1163
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's just so many guys, so many guys,

1164
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: so many guys on defense and fun will jumped out

1165
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: of the gym so we it was. It was a

1166
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: great It'd be interesting how people view him because I

1167
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: wonder if his car will be changed from safety to

1168
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: cornerback based on how he tested something. We've been talking

1169
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: about a bunch on here, all right. We got a

1170
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of content coming to you guys.

1171
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna do another pod later this week, and then

1172
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: we'll be in our video show we'll launch next Tuesday.

1173
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: We'll tell you more about that. We've got the scouting competition.

1174
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: We've got the five finalists, we've got their reports. Need

1175
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: to go through their reports and decide who we have

1176
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: in the final two. We will narrow that down and

1177
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: have some some more content coming on that contest and

1178
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: some more announcements, uh coming your waist soon there are June?

1179
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: Am I missing anything else? Or? Is that? I actually

1180
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: got a question for you guys. You guys talked about

1181
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: a lot of guys helping themselves in the first round,

1182
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, moving up in the first round. Who fell

1183
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: out of the first round? For you? Who? Who? Who

1184
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: got hurt by this combo? I would say the two

1185
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: guys that the protets are gonna be big are the

1186
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: two Florida corners Buck Tease Table running the mid four six?

1187
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Is that that didn't help Tease Taber hurt himself because

1188
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: he didn't run well, he looked okay and Drew's uh

1189
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: Quincy Wilson. I think Quincy Wilson was probably a second

1190
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: round player from day one. I know a lot of

1191
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: people liked him, but in Urns in terms of his

1192
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: uh his movement skills, he was smoothed in tease Taber.

1193
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: So it'd be interesting to see those guys in the

1194
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 1: protect Did you see the hidden camera that got me Buck?

1195
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: I did? I did not? Yeah. So me and lanceer

1196
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: Line were riding to the airport and then he busted

1197
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: some news on me. That just kind of caught me

1198
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: off guard, and turns out I've been recorded the whole time. Man,

1199
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: I gotta coming up in a second. Ago they supposed

1200
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: to call me for Around the NFL podcast. What, Yeah,

1201
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: I've gotta only you don't do the Around the NFL podcast. Yeah,

1202
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: I did it. Uh, I didn't last Now I did

1203
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: it last week. How long? If you've been friends a

1204
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: lot longer than I've been friends of us? Guys answers

1205
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: didn't even have liked me to go eat dinner during

1206
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Do you know the definition of people?

1207
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: Because it comes in a flowing name, damn Ance said,

1208
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: is even if you look it up, you'll find it

1209
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: right there? Is he that bad? Yes? You seriously do

1210
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: that show? Yeah, I've done it. If you like toast,

1211
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: that's all the reason I can see you would do it.

1212
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: I did think you know about the toasters? They do

1213
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: like contest. I mean, I feel like it feels like

1214
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: they've got some like it's kind of a funny show.

1215
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: It's got some float to it. I like you. Marc

1216
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: Sessler is a good good Yeah. The rest of them roast, Oh,

1217
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: come on, he would seems harmless. All he does is

1218
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: talking about Oh I was in Pro Football Talk. Oh

1219
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: I was it rural World. It's like, just brag on

1220
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit more, pal, you know, it's ridiculously Yeah,

1221
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: if you want to do what I mean, that's fine.

1222
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: I like you the friend, but they get your friends

1223
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: any No, I mean I don't. I don't want to.

1224
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like yeah, I just didn't

1225
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: know it was that. I just didn't know Rand that deep.

1226
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: So there you have a buck there. There was a

1227
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: little drama browing between the podcast here. It's nothing new.

1228
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, am I am I upset that

1229
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: he recorded? Now I'm I'm fine with that being out there.

1230
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: The truth needs to be told and uh and that's

1231
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: what it is. Um. Are you ready got here? We're ready,

1232
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: alady ready. That's gonna do it for us. Thanks for

1233
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: listening to the show, Thanks for subscribing on iTunes, Thanks

1234
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: for leaving us reviews and reading. You appreciate that, and

1235
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: we will see you back here on Move the Sticks

1236
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. Thanks for downloading Move the

1237
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go

1238
00:53:51,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts. They are to