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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Oh what's going on? Everybody? Welcome in here, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Hope your Saturday is off to a pleasant start. I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest with you guys, I'm in a Surly mood

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what happened Surly last night? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Never a good thing early in the morning to be

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Speaker 2: greeted by Surly.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's all because of these bums trying to

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Speaker 2: screw with my beloved college football.

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Speaker 4: Over in Yere.

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Speaker 2: This is just wretched. What's going on the college football

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Speaker 2: playoff officials? These officials over here, the commissioners and new

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame Athletics director Pete Bovaqua used to be at NBC.

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Speaker 2: So they're talking about the new format of these fourteen

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Speaker 2: teams that might go into effect two years from now.

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Speaker 2: And it's all these automatic qualifying spots, which I hate

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Speaker 2: to begin with the big in the SEC, they would

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Speaker 2: get the most AQ spots, right, automatic qualifying spots three

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Speaker 2: apiece and my biggest beef Rich and Jared auto Byes

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Speaker 2: for the SEC and the big ten meting. They would

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Speaker 2: be penciled in to the first round by every single

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Speaker 2: year regardless if they have I don't know a team

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Speaker 2: that's in the top two that would earn the bye.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna predetermine this before the season even starts. This

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Speaker 2: is freaking hideous. I don't like any part of this,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think there's any good outcome. This is

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Speaker 2: just a dose of It's like someone splashing a bucket

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Speaker 2: of ice cold water on you in the morning here,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry for that, but that's what these suits

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Speaker 2: are doing to our beloved college football. I hate this.

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Speaker 5: Before we dig deeper and we will like, what specifically

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Speaker 5: about this do you hate? Because I know you don't

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Speaker 5: like it like a face value, it's it. It hits

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Speaker 5: you in the in the in the chops the wrong

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Speaker 5: way here. But what specifically do you hate about the

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Speaker 5: setup the byes?

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Speaker 2: That's the thing I hate the most. You're saying before

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Speaker 2: the season starts. SEC Big ten, you're guaranteed a first

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Speaker 2: round by regardless if you've got a team in the

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Speaker 2: top two or not. Think about the NFL. They have

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Speaker 2: something similar where there's there are two first round byes collectively,

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Speaker 2: right one in each conference. What if they said going

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Speaker 2: into next season, Hey, whoever wins the AFC North and

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Speaker 2: uh whoever wins the NFC East. You guys earned byes,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, well, what if they don't have a

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Speaker 2: top two record, doesn't matter, We've just predetermined it. What

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Speaker 2: what kind of system is that? That can't be what

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Speaker 2: you're doing going forward.

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Speaker 4: I look at it from this Yeah, I look at

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Speaker 4: it from this standpoint.

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Speaker 5: I knew we would be disappointed with how this roll about,

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Speaker 5: and anybody who's paying close enough attention would be disappointed. Now, right,

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Speaker 5: was it March second as opposed to it being kickoff

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Speaker 5: or you know, some people don't catch up to these

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Speaker 5: type of news items until we're actually into the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Whether it's the.

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Speaker 5: New six team or the fourteen team or the twelve

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Speaker 5: team or the fourteen team, it doesn't matter how far

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Speaker 5: out the news gets rolled around. You're gonna see angry

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Speaker 5: tweets as we're heading into the tournament because people are

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Speaker 5: gonna be like, wait, what.

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Speaker 4: Who gets the buys?

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Speaker 5: And why do these conferences get an inordinate amount of

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Speaker 5: automatic qualifiers. It's going to become this story is going

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Speaker 5: to be reacted to in waves. I guess we're on

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Speaker 5: the We're on the wave, like when it's way out,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean where it's just literally a

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Speaker 5: that is going to crash when it gets to shore.

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Speaker 4: And you're right, man, you're right there.

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Speaker 5: There is there is no real meritocracy in college football yet,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's what really is alarming, because football

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Speaker 5: is the ultimate meritocracy sport. And I'm talking about like

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Speaker 5: earning your way onto a football team technically is just

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Speaker 5: that you know, you'll get exposed if your dad had money,

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Speaker 5: it's not going to keep you in the starting rotation

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Speaker 5: in the starting on this on the first team offense.

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Speaker 5: If you can't catch a football, like it's just you'll

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Speaker 5: it's one of those sports that really screams fairness. And

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Speaker 5: then to set up a system in the post season

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Speaker 4: It's going to grind their gears, just like it grinded yours.

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Speaker 6: So when I read this story, it was on leap

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Speaker 6: Day that it that it broke, which is ironic because

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Speaker 6: that day doesn't exist on like seventy five percent of calendars.

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Speaker 4: The thing that.

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Speaker 3: Stood out to me was a lot of this was.

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Speaker 6: Being reported kind of on anonymity because the management hasn't

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Speaker 6: figured out the final.

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Speaker 3: Say yet and nothing is officially public.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if things have been confirmed since then,

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Speaker 6: but to me, when things get leaked early, it's almost

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Speaker 6: like the trial period, little test balloon. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 6: think the pushback has been, as Brian has alluded to,

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Speaker 6: pretty stark from certain, you know, prominent people in our

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Speaker 6: in our space. And I would not be surprised if

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Speaker 6: this is not the final product. And here's why I

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Speaker 6: don't think it's going to be the final product. We

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Speaker 6: haven't even done the twelve team playoff yet, Like, can

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Speaker 6: we have one season of the twelve team playoff before

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Speaker 6: we change the format? Like there might be something that

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Speaker 6: happens during the mechanism of the playoff. This year, the

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Speaker 6: upcoming season that we say, hey, we should tweak this

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Speaker 6: when we expand, but we don't know what that is

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Speaker 6: yet because it hasn't happened. How can we change something

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Speaker 6: and improve on a product that has not yet been

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Speaker 3: That is the part that bothers me the most.

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Speaker 6: I think hopefully they will figure out and iron out

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Speaker 6: some of the semantics, and frankly, regardless of how they

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Speaker 3: Get the short end.

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Speaker 6: It's just the way that it works in these big situations.

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Speaker 6: With these power conferences gobbling up the equity, there's going

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Speaker 6: to be smaller I'm using my air quotes now power

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Speaker 6: conferences that won't get the you know, the the good deal.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's just part of college football, part

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Speaker 6: of life. But the part that bothers me the most

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Speaker 6: is that we are already adding on to something that

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Speaker 6: least go through one season of this.

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Speaker 3: Before we make any changes.

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Speaker 2: Well as far as the automatic buys, not just automatic bids,

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Speaker 3: Automatic buy Yeah, that's another one too.

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Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, you've got Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy

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Speaker 2: he calls the format unheard of, and this is his argument.

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Speaker 2: He says, a playoff format that guarantees a first round

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Speaker 2: by to any team, division or conference before the season

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Speaker 2: starts is unheard of in any sport as far as

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Speaker 2: I'm aware. Based on the premise proposed, a team could

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Speaker 2: be undefeated and ranked number one in the country and

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Speaker 2: still not receive a first round by because teams were

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Speaker 2: awarded one before the season even began. And he's totally right.

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Speaker 2: And this is where I see it headed. And this again,

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Speaker 2: I would love to be the sunshine and Rainbows off

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Speaker 2: another fine program.

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Speaker 4: Come on, I really love it.

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Speaker 2: I would love to be like, look at this new

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Speaker 2: this is what I see happening. I see one of

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Speaker 2: two roads as we go forward. I think either the

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Speaker 2: SEC and the Big ten get their way. They get

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Speaker 2: the one sided perks in the new fourteen team format,

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Speaker 2: they get more automatic qualifying spots, they get the first

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Speaker 2: round byes, they get the heavier piece of the money,

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Speaker 2: all that type of stuff. They get their way, or

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Speaker 2: the SEC and the Big ten don't get their way,

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Speaker 2: and it begins the thinking of hey, why do we

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Speaker 2: need you other guys anyway, and we're starting to splinter

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Speaker 2: off like that. I don't see either good conclusion being

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Speaker 2: the reality for college football. That's that's what I see here.

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Speaker 4: I love where your head's at. And here's the reality.

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Speaker 5: I mean, essentially, with the buys and the auto qualifiers,

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Speaker 5: the Big Ten in the SEC is saying, look, our

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Speaker 5: four loss teams are better than some of your undefeateds

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Speaker 5: and one loss teams because of the strength of our conference.

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Speaker 5: We could have an Iowa team, for example, who goes

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Speaker 5: on a heater, you know, late in the season after

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Speaker 5: starting out zero to four, and they're better. They're better than,

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Speaker 5: you know, the ACC champion and we know it, you know,

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Speaker 5: or we're better than your one loss team behind that champ.

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Speaker 5: It's it's just it's just the way college football is

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Speaker 5: tilted right now. These conferences have a lot of power.

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Speaker 5: Tony Petiti, the conference chair for the Big Ten, he's

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Speaker 5: got a lot of power, and so does the chair

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Speaker 5: of the SEC. And they are, you know, working these

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Speaker 5: deals with these networks and these athletic directors at specific

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Speaker 5: schools within these conferences and school presidents. They have a

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Speaker 5: lot of sway and so you're just trying to appease

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Speaker 5: them for now. Wow, The reality is football needs to

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Speaker 5: do what college basketball did. You need to make this

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Speaker 5: even more expansive so it can truly return to a meritocracy.

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Speaker 5: And I know a lot of people are like, oh

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Speaker 5: my goodness, though, you're talking about these college athletes playing

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Speaker 5: something like eighteen games to decide a national champion, maybe

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty games. Are you sure, rich, is that a

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Speaker 5: good idea with a twelve with a twelve game regular season,

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Speaker 5: because you know they're not going to go backwards on

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Speaker 5: the regular season. These these schools and universities, they want

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Speaker 5: their money for gate attendance and merchandise sales and concessions.

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Speaker 4: No, don't go backward.

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Speaker 5: Let them play their twelve games, have a conference championship game,

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Speaker 5: but then have a thirty two team playoff.

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Speaker 4: I'm not kidding, have a sixty four team playoff.

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Speaker 5: You know a lot of people are like, sixty four,

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Speaker 5: you'll have the dregs of the United States in this bracket.

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Speaker 5: So what the same said for the college basketball tournament?

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Speaker 5: Do you think think a lot of people have any

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Speaker 5: idea who they're watching in the first round? They don't care,

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Speaker 5: you know who they're rooting for their bracket, like, so

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Speaker 5: let's stop pretending first and foremost. Like the whole argument

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Speaker 5: has been four players safety, it hasn't. This is the

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Speaker 5: best way to make money. So it'll make everybody happy.

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Speaker 5: It'll make the players happy, I promise you. Because as

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Speaker 5: Nil keeps, Nils keeps charging forward, some of these smaller

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Speaker 5: schools who get into a thirty two team Bracketer or

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Speaker 5: sixty four dare I say sixty four football practice, You're

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Speaker 5: going to have tons of these smaller school athletes get

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Speaker 5: publicity like they never have before, and they'll start getting

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Speaker 5: national tension on these endorsement opportunities.

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Speaker 4: So this is a win win, win win win across

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Speaker 4: the board.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm now in favor of Brian more playoff extension

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Speaker 5: instead of less.

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Speaker 6: So Rachel telling me you're not, you know, whipping out

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Speaker 6: the Colgate gear for the first week of the NCAA

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Speaker 6: tournament and Rudel at that toothpaste down.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you though, if they have a deep run,

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Speaker 6: We are passengers on this train, and you better accept

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Speaker 3: To be a tricky, tricky cell over the next year.

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Speaker 2: So college football has turned into weather in the Midwest.

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Speaker 4: And I know I gonna take it scary. It is scary.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine that?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you that's what it should be. That's what

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Speaker 4: So now it's onward. It's thirty two teams. We need it. Brian,

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Speaker 4: And I had.

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Speaker 2: A a mixed berry neutral grain bar a minute ago

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Speaker 2: Oh, got to embrace change over here.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, Brian, stop being the old man yelling

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what system he's in, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 6: Now my initial vibe, Right, we heard about this on

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Speaker 6: This is probably a negotiating ploy, right Rich, Like you

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Speaker 6: it's closing fast. I wouldn't be shocked if he did

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Speaker 6: go somewhere else. He is absolutely the pearl of free

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Speaker 6: agency on on the offensive side of the receiver group

443
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Speaker 6: for sure. With Snead and with the chiefs. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is kind of the cost of doing business in

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Speaker 6: the NFL. Like if you pay your quarterback and now

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Speaker 6: they're gonna have they're gonna have to pay Chris Jones.

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Speaker 4: I think Jones was gonna get his.

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Speaker 6: What's left for everyone else, Like this is the struggles

449
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Speaker 6: that Veach and this chief's you know, staff is gonna

450
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Speaker 6: have to figure out putting some of these pieces together

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Speaker 6: with the almost like the walls caving in of the

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Speaker 6: giant contracts with Mahomes and with Chris Jones. So I

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Speaker 6: just I think the inevitable haircut that Kansas City's gonna

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Speaker 6: have to take with their roster. We'll see how it

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Speaker 6: affects the defense going forward. I don't know if they're

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Speaker 6: gonna keep both Jones and Snead, but I hope they do,

457
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Speaker 6: because man, that defense is really good.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like they would initially, but now this talk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they will because.

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Speaker 3: He smoked though right so early could be smoked.

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Speaker 2: Could be. But think about it like this. We thought

463
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Speaker 2: heading in, maybe you'd see a long term deal for

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Speaker 2: one guy and the franchise tag for another. We're thinking

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Speaker 2: long term deal for Chris Jones and then franchise tag

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Speaker 2: for Lugerious Need. And the Chiefs are saying, hey, if

467
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Speaker 2: we don't come to a long term agreement, but we

468
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Speaker 2: might just hit you with the franchise tag. And if

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Speaker 2: it's the transition tag, he's gonna be gone, Like someone's

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Speaker 2: gonna sign him. They don't have to give anything up

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Speaker 2: to get him. He's gonna be elsewhere. So that possibility

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Speaker 2: is is real.

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Speaker 4: Mike Evans with.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs, how about that, Well, got some money, right, Like,

475
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Speaker 2: we gotta get into that because I want to throw

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Speaker 2: out a couple of possibilities. If you're Mike Evans, where

477
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Speaker 2: would you want to go? And some teams with cap

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Speaker 2: space who might want him? Let's play Mike Evans from

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Speaker 2: his perspective. We'll play that game right around the corner first, though,

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Speaker 2: Isaac Lowe and Crown the one the only to spin

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Speaker 4: What it's going on?

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Speaker 2: I want a NASCAR with that on the side.

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Speaker 10: reported that the San Francisco forty nine Ers are promoting

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Speaker 10: deal with the San Francisco Giants in the NBA. On

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Speaker 10: one twenty to one oh five. The Warriors have now

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Speaker 10: won eight straight on the road. Toronto's Scottie Barnes broke

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Speaker 10: a Luka Doncic thirty seven point twelve rebound, eleven assist

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Speaker 10: triple double, the Celtics on a ten game winning streak

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I love appreciate that. It's Fox Sports Saturday here on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Okay, So if we play the game

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Speaker 2: real fast, if you're Mike Evans Suss expected to test

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Speaker 2: free agency, where would you want to end up? You

514
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Speaker 2: want to run it back with Tampa and possibly Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: We don't know for sure if that's the situation or

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Speaker 2: some of the teams with a lot of cap space

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Speaker 2: the Bears are up there. What if the Bears draft

518
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and they bring in Mike Evans, that's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: What if the Texans they've got a lot of cap space?

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Speaker 2: Would you like to link up with CJ. Stroud? If

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Speaker 2: you're Mike Evans, what would be on your wish list

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Speaker 2: as you look at the landscape?

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Speaker 5: Well, so he asked a question earlier, Jared about what

524
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Speaker 5: keeps a guy in the same market for as long

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Speaker 5: as Mike Evans has been playing football? And the answer

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Speaker 5: can be simple. Sometimes quality of life is important. You know,

527
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Speaker 5: you think about DeVante Adams, why would he want out

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Speaker 5: of Green Bay? And this is no offense to green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: But I've been to green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: I have not, so let's go to the draft so there. Yeah, Actually,

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Speaker 4: that'd be a lot of fun to go. It'd be awesome.

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Speaker 5: Changed so when I went there, like, and trust me,

533
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Speaker 5: this place is charming.

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Speaker 4: That's the way I would describe it.

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Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a picturesque Midwest town cut out

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Speaker 5: of a forest. There is no grade to the land,

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Speaker 5: so it's tree, strees, trees, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: lambeau Field, you know what I mean. Like it's uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, you're you're driving through the suburbs of Green

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Speaker 5: Bay to get to the game from the hotel, which,

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Speaker 5: by the way, is in downtown green And if you

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Speaker 5: want to think of what a downtown looks like in

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Speaker 5: a tiny Midwest town, it's exactly what you're picturing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's look, it's it's the fact that he landed in

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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay. And I'm not saying it's the biggest market,

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Speaker 5: but you know, a beach city in Florida for a

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Speaker 5: guy in his early twenties when he's first drafted as

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Speaker 5: a first rounder to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 4: And it's not like they didn't pay him, you know,

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Speaker 4: they had.

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Speaker 5: To re up and rip up his contract a couple

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Speaker 5: times over during his career, make sure that he was

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Speaker 5: happy from a financial standpoint, and so those are some

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Speaker 5: of the things that keep you in place. He's also

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Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl, you know, So this is a

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Speaker 5: guy who's experienced a lot as a buccaneer. Can they

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Speaker 5: keep him there? We'll see. I do think at this

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Speaker 5: point in his career he's probably chasing some legacy, but

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Speaker 5: he's absolutely chasing his last biggest payday. And that's where

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Speaker 5: you start thinking, like, oh, yeah, here's where I can

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Speaker 5: sacrifice a little bit. I can go and live in

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Speaker 5: Indianapolis for a little while and play for the Colts,

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Speaker 5: even though I'm not sure of this city. I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure if I'm gonna be in love with where I'm living.

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Speaker 5: I could live in Chicago and freeze my tail off

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Speaker 5: for a couple of seasons and play with the Bears.

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Speaker 5: I could I could go to Houston and make that

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Speaker 5: work with CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud.

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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned some of these teams with higher cap

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Speaker 5: space right now that would fit a Mike Evans. But

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Speaker 5: you know, don't I mean, don't look over the Buccaneers

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Speaker 5: because you can make some contract moves. They're probably hovering

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Speaker 5: around about forty million in cap space. You can make

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Speaker 5: a couple of moves. You could give him a whole

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Speaker 5: bunch of guaranteed money and he might stay at Tampa

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Speaker 5: Bay Buck for life.

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Speaker 6: That's so if I had to handicap it, and I

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Speaker 6: had to put odds of probability, I would make it

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Speaker 6: like a minus one twenty minus one.

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Speaker 3: Thirty favorite that he stays in Tampa.

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Speaker 6: Like, I think that's the most logical option and based

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Speaker 6: off of the rhetoric I've seen over the last twenty

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Speaker 6: four to forty hours. Again, it was a tweet from

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Speaker 6: Diana Versini on I think it was yesterday or two

587
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Speaker 6: days ago that kind of started this, And it to

588
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Speaker 6: me that like screamed negotiating tactic from the like the

589
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Speaker 6: agent leaks at the Diana, Diana sends it out, and

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, the Bucks are like, oh man,

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Speaker 6: we need to up our offer right. Like to me,

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Speaker 6: that's kind of where my first brain went. But then

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Speaker 6: you start looking at some of the other teams that

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Speaker 6: do have space, and we mentioned some obvious ones. I'll

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Speaker 6: give you another one that's intriguing to me. How about

596
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Speaker 6: the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Burrow, Like, well.

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Speaker 2: If they franchise tag T Higgins, you know what I mean, Right.

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Speaker 6: If they say, hey, maybe we can get to the

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Speaker 6: Evans cheaper, Like I mean, I'm just I'm throwing out

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Speaker 6: teams that are fifty to forty to fifty million under

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Speaker 6: the cap their top ten and cap space that you know,

602
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Speaker 6: might have a situation where Higgins, they might not like

603
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Speaker 6: where the negotiations are going in and say, hey, maybe

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Speaker 6: we get Evans on the cheap for two years and

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Speaker 6: we say goo bye to Higgins next year.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I mean imagine.

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Speaker 6: Higgins with Chase and Burrow and Evans all on the

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Speaker 6: same team for one season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's intriguing to me.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure there's a.

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Speaker 6: Mystery team out there that we don't know that's probably

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Speaker 6: gonna say, hey, maybe there's some in the water here

613
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Speaker 6: with the Bucks and we can make a deal and

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Speaker 6: get him out of Tampa. But I think the most

615
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Speaker 6: likely option is that he stays with the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious which teams pursue him and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: no thanks. Carolina is like, Mike, we need to we

618
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Speaker 2: need a receiver more familiar with you, same division.

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Speaker 4: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: He's like, Yeah, I'm good, Atlanta. You don't want to

621
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Speaker 3: play with with the justin fields.

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Speaker 4: If he goes down there.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it's gonna be Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 6: Oh there's another Actually that's that'd be an enticing name

625
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Speaker 6: for mister Evans to play with.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Mike Evans and it's Kirk, I'm interested. If

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Speaker 2: I'm Mike Evans and it's justin Fields hard pass, well, no,

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with that. Hey real fast here, we

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Speaker 2: gotta go quick. But this is interesting with McCole Hardman.

631
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Speaker 2: So he caught the winning touchdown pass in the Super

632
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Speaker 2: Bowl against the Niners, and he's been in the news

633
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Speaker 2: that week, so he blasted. He was with the Jets

634
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Speaker 2: to begin the season, right before he made his way

635
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Speaker 2: back to Kansas City, and so he was on the

636
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Speaker 2: Pivot podcast and he was just talking about how on

637
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Speaker 2: the offensive side it was disorganized. So this is one

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Speaker 2: of his comments came in.

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Speaker 11: You know, and like it's no standard there. It's like

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Speaker 11: everybody do they want to do? And it's like whatever that. Granted,

641
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Speaker 11: the defense have a more of a stabilized standard with

642
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Speaker 11: that with the coaching staff on that side, so you

643
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Speaker 11: could tell the defense got a standard, but the offense

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Speaker 11: is like, all right, we've just figured out. It's air show,

645
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Speaker 11: the airdu, airdu, you know what I mean. But then

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Speaker 11: with aeron godwn, it's like we'll know what to do.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So since McColl made some of those comments. There have

649
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Speaker 2: been leaked rumors that he was leaking game plans for

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Speaker 2: the Eagles for the Chiefs, who are opponents of the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Which is more likely? Is it that McCole is saying, yeah,

652
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Speaker 2: they were kind of disorganized on the offensive side of

653
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Speaker 2: the ball with Nathaniel Hackett running the show over there,

654
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Speaker 2: or or that, oh yeah, he was leaking game plans

655
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Speaker 2: and trying to force his way back to the Chiefs.

656
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Speaker 2: Like what which is more believable? It's buticle Hardman by

657
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Speaker 2: ten thousand miles in this one. How does it benefit

658
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Speaker 2: you to leak game plans to the opponent? How does

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Speaker 2: that benefit you?

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Speaker 4: Exactly? That that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: I commented it on this on my my local show

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Speaker 5: in San Diego, and I kind of segued to talking

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Speaker 5: about how this is super common when.

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Speaker 4: Players leave places you d percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's almost there's almost an industry of practice

666
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Speaker 5: squad players or you know, third string tight ends getting

667
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Speaker 5: you know, who have been deactivated on one team getting

668
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Speaker 5: signed activated on another team when there's three weeks away

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Speaker 5: from playing like an important divisional rival, and it's like

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Speaker 5: pump and dump, like you're basically like like, we're gonna

671
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Speaker 5: pump you for the information and then we're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna dump you.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna cut you or trade you afterwards. Like so,

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Speaker 5: but my thought process, this doesn't benefit McCole at all.

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Speaker 5: It makes frankly the Jets because if you're thinking, like

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Speaker 5: where would this information come from?

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Speaker 4: Like who would release this information?

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Speaker 5: And it is one hundred percent the New York Jets,

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Speaker 5: like somebody in their organization I don't know how, but

680
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Speaker 5: either got wind of this or made it up and

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Speaker 5: put and released it because they had a souring relationship

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Speaker 5: with McColl anyways, and it makes them look so desperate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a bat. It is not a very pleasant thing.

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Speaker 6: But I will say this. I've heard even former you know,

685
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Speaker 6: gambling colleagues of mine say that they've had you know,

686
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Speaker 6: play sheets and scripts leaked to them at points from

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Speaker 6: you know, disgruntled former players as well.

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Speaker 3: That's how deep the rabbit hole goals. Guys. It's not

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Speaker 3: just with the teams.

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Speaker 6: I've had some access to some gambling information that has

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Speaker 6: been pretty insider in that realm as well. It is

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Speaker 6: You're right, Once these guys get fired and get released,

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Speaker 6: it's it's like a free for all.

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Speaker 2: With that info, I think, yeah, once they get fired, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: not never during never during while there's still yeah, that

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Speaker 2: is unprecedented. I'm on the jets right now. Here you go, Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: here's our playbook that that doesn't help mcole exactly right there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we've got right around the corner a fool proof way

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Speaker 2: for you to cash in today. Okay, we've got Rich Hornberger,

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Speaker 2: Penn State, all American. We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: The parlay platter is right around the corner, and Jared

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Speaker 2: has his eyes fixed solely on college hoops. We will

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Speaker 2: get to his parlay coming up. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

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Speaker 2: right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

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Speaker 2: right here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, shortly after the show,

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Speaker 2: let's do this.

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Speaker 1: Check this out far late.

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Speaker 2: Letter Okay, Jared Smith has been in the lab. There's

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Speaker 2: smoke billowing out of the room. He's in trying to

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Speaker 2: concoct the perfect parlay.

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Speaker 4: Here. What do you have for us, Jared?

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Speaker 3: We got a good one today.

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Speaker 6: I've got three different conferences, two major conferences, one small small,

725
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Speaker 6: and I'm not even want to say major next to

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Speaker 6: this one because it's literally the bottom of the barrel.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with that.

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Speaker 6: It is American. Yes, salute your shorts here on the

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Speaker 6: money line. We're taking them against Navy today. So this

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Speaker 6: is a very patriotic game in the Patriot League. Of course,

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Speaker 6: the Patriot League is unique. Their conference tournament is done

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Speaker 6: by home sites.

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Speaker 4: You don't play at a neutral venue.

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Speaker 6: If you win and you have a higher you get

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Speaker 6: a home game for longer throughout the tournament.

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Speaker 3: American right now.

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Speaker 6: As it stands, is the two seed in the Patriot

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Speaker 6: League tournament. This is the last game of the regular

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Speaker 6: season for that conference today. If they win, they clinch

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Speaker 6: the two seed. They get a home a first round

741
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Speaker 6: by and a home game in the semies.

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Speaker 4: If they lose, they could drop to.

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Speaker 3: The four seed and have to play the dreaded Colgate Raiders.

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Speaker 6: In the second round. We don't want to see that,

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Speaker 6: so we want American to win today and keep that

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Speaker 6: two seed. I also like Minnesota on the money line

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Speaker 6: against my beloved Mtney lines today. They are at home

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Speaker 6: in this game. We haven't talked about the Gophers a

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Speaker 6: whole lot. They're probably going to miss the tournament unless

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Speaker 6: they go on a crazy run in the Big Ten tournament.

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Speaker 6: But they are the best team in the country against

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Speaker 6: the spread this year, twenty four and four against the spread.

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Speaker 6: Great job by Ben Johnson, not the Lions, Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 6: the other Ben Johnson, the Minnesotad coach.

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Speaker 3: He's been fantastic this year.

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Speaker 6: Penn State's still without their best player, Kanye Clary, who

757
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Speaker 6: left the team for personal reasons a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: and they are two to seven on the road this year.

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Speaker 6: I think Minnesota at home gets the win and we

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Speaker 6: will put Creighton the final leg of the parlay. Creighton

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Speaker 6: on the money line. They are hosting Marquette today. Marquette

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Speaker 6: without Tyler Kolek. I'm hearing reports that he's not going

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Speaker 6: to play. We've seen this line steam up to like seven.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't lay the seven with Creighton but I'd be

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Speaker 6: comfortable putting them in a money line parlay. Not only

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Speaker 6: of course Marquette, I mean, Tyler Colech does everything, but

767
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Speaker 6: they have a huge game next week against Yukon in

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Speaker 6: a revenge spot. So I just think this is a

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Speaker 6: punt situation for Marquette and Creighton will get it done

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Speaker 6: at home today. So American Minnesota Creighton on the money

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Speaker 6: line bet MGM offering this parlay plus one p thirty three.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good look today. What we what

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Speaker 3: do we think?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 2: Well, you got my attention with Tyler Kolech yactly being out.

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Speaker 3: He's a really good player and he's maybe the best

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Speaker 3: in the cutt one of the best in the country.

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Speaker 2: He's had some games with huge assist numbers. When Cam

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Speaker 2: Jones is out, he had some good scoring games.

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Speaker 4: He's a really good player. That's a big loss.

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Speaker 5: If he can't go Minnesota on the money line, you

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Speaker 5: broke my hot.

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Speaker 6: I know, and I'm one of those people. I don't

784
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Speaker 6: mind I'm fading my team now. Granted, if I state basketball,

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Speaker 6: let's be honest, I don't have the same affinity to

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Speaker 6: it as I do our football boys.

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Speaker 4: But a say, if you didn't, I'd be upset at you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But the thing is is that when Penn State plays

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Speaker 6: at home, not to completely go off the rails and

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Speaker 6: they play. They played that game at rec Hall the

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Speaker 6: other day without Kanye Clary and they beat Illinois, who's

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Speaker 6: like a top twenty team, but on the road with

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Speaker 6: Minnesota being so good against the number, I just it

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Speaker 6: feels like a Minnesota of course needs the game like blood.

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Speaker 6: And that's another thing too, just because these teams need

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Speaker 6: to win because they're on the bubble and it's like

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Speaker 6: must win. You're paying a bad price for them and

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Speaker 6: you're paying a premium for that situation.

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean they're going to win. But this

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Speaker 3: is one of those spots. I do think Minnesota is

802
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Speaker 3: in a good situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what, man, I'm like you, Jared

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Notre Dame. So you're die hard

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Speaker 2: Penn State football, fair weather Penn State basketball. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: how I am with Notre Dame. It's so pathetic. I

807
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: absolutely admit it. I am die hard. Notre Dame could

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Speaker 2: suck in college football. I'll watch every down and just

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Speaker 2: live and die with everything. Notre Dame College hoops. If

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Speaker 2: they're good and they're taking on undefeated Kentucky, go Iris go.

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Speaker 4: If they suck, I'm like, I don't care.

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Speaker 6: Trusty shrews Man. You stole him away from US coach Shrewsbury.

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Speaker 6: He's a he's he's a smart he's a smart mind.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 2: Just gotta give him a little bit of time. It's

816
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Speaker 2: a rough go this season, but I like that higher.

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Speaker 4: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if the parlay bladder cash is in.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 6: I'm feeling good today, guys. I think American's a good

821
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Speaker 6: spot too.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: We'll circle back to that Creighton game a little bit later,

824
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Speaker 2: right around the corner. There have been so many unfair

825
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Speaker 2: criticisms about this guy. Is this another one?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Happy Saturday to you? You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: So I'll talk to our trusted producer Bo Benson and

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Speaker 2: our trusted technical producer Chris Purfett quite a bit when

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Speaker 2: we're off the air, and I.

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Speaker 4: Swear it could be a podcast. We can have a show,

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Speaker 4: just as far as that goes.

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Speaker 3: Share with us.

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Speaker 4: What are you guys talking about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what it's funny because we were talking

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Speaker 2: about how Caleb Williams has received a lot of unfair criticisms, right,

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the next topic and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna sort of criticize him here in the next topic.

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Speaker 4: I'm wondering how this is gonna go down.

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Speaker 2: Exactly it's gonna be received. Let's start with this some

841
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Speaker 2: of the unfair criticisms. There was a reporter that I

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Speaker 2: don't know what he was going for here, He's basically

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Speaker 2: trying to set the bear trap, and Caleb Williams is like,

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Speaker 2: you gonna have to be a little bit more slick

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Speaker 2: than that. I can see where you're coming from from

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Speaker 2: ten miles away. Here was the exchange at the combine

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Speaker 2: between Caleb Williams and an over zealous reporter. Caleb, are

848
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Speaker 2: you afraid to compete? Are you afraid to compete?

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Speaker 10: How do you respond to people say that you're worried

850
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Speaker 10: to be compared to side by side with your peers

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Speaker 10: in medicals, measurements and workouts.

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Speaker 4: Are you afraid to be measured against those?

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Speaker 10: Guy?

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Speaker 4: One on one?

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Speaker 2: Is that why you're not doing things?

856
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Speaker 4: No, not doing things said to me and my team,

857
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Speaker 4: my family, And it comes down.

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Speaker 2: To that, Wow, I thought Caleb handled it very very well.

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Speaker 2: The reporter, what are we doing here? You know what

860
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Speaker 2: it reminds me of. We had the whole court storming

861
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, saga last week with Kyle Philipowski of Duke.

862
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Speaker 2: He got collided with by a Wake Forest fan and

863
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: so it was a whole week was just court storming,

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00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: racing onto the field of its football. They showed a

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Speaker 2: video Oklahoma lost. It might have been against Kansas on

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Speaker 2: the road last year. This is college football again, and

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Speaker 2: there was a fan with his cell phone and was

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Speaker 2: just going up to a player like you lost, you lost,

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Speaker 2: and just trying to get the player to react. That's

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Speaker 2: what the sound we just heard felt like to me.

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Speaker 2: Where it's like, dude, where do you do it? You

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Speaker 2: gotta be better than that.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: There's a difference between asking a hard question and just heckling.

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Speaker 4: Somewhat. That was like heckleing. I thought that was really bad.

876
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: To add a.

877
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 9: Little context to this, we did look this up. This

878
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 9: guy is a fantasy football writer, so not.

879
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 6: Just like an inexperienced reporter. Just the way he was

880
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 6: asking the question, right, you know, he like kind of

881
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 6: like repeated himself.

882
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: A couple of times there there's there's also this this

883
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 5: feeling in our culture today. If you're young in the media,

884
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: you gotta be relentless, and you gotta be you know,

885
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: I makes have to you gotta make a splash, right, Yeah,

886
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: you got to be the one who asked the tough

887
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: question to get the tough answer. If Caleb went off

888
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 5: on this guy and said, you know, who do you

889
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 5: think you are? And you know whatever? I mean, all

890
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 5: of a sudden, a, that's a huge problem for Caleb.

891
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: But b now, this young reporter's name is attached to

892
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 5: every single article written those who give him the credit.

893
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 4: Look, here's the deal.

894
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: I I look at the combine as massively overblown. Every

895
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 5: single year we get comments from quarterbacks players that really,

896
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: honestly do they matter in the grand scheme of things.

897
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 5: What Caleb said was the only thing he could set

898
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 5: in that situation. This was a decision between myself and

899
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 5: the closest people who I work with, and we decided

900
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 5: not to do it.

901
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 4: Next question, it's.

902
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 5: Perfect, you know because in print it looks fine. In actuality,

903
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 5: listening to the audio, it look it sounds fine. I

904
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 5: watched the video, he looked fine. Answering it, he was

905
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 5: cool as a cucumber. He exuded confidence, he handled the podium. Well,

906
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: this is a guy who has worked now, and I

907
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 5: do mean worked, because college football has changed a great

908
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 5: deal over the last five years. He's worked in the

909
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 5: second biggest media market in the country. Do you really

910
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 5: think in Indianapolis, where where there's gonna be pool reporters

911
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: from everywhere asking him questions like he's gonna get caught

912
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: with his pants down? Like the answer is absolutely not.

913
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: He's played thirty plus games at the college level. He's

914
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: played at the highest possible level of college football outside

915
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 5: of competing for a national championship, And I think based

916
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 5: on where he's played and what he's been exposed to

917
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 5: from a media standpoint, you're not going to catch this

918
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 5: guy off guard from from that end. Now, we'll see

919
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 5: how the rest of the process goes. We'll see what

920
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 5: people think about his preparation for when he does throw

921
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 5: at his pro day, should he choose to, if there

922
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: are you know, any any issues with medical As teams

923
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 5: start to do their own personal valuations, if he allows

924
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 5: them to, you know, then then maybe there's something else there.

925
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 5: But we've watched this guy play football for some part

926
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 5: of three seasons now two different schools. If you're not

927
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: sold on the tape, then you're not sold on Caleb Williams.

928
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 5: There's almost nothing he could do outside of something disastrous

929
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 5: between now and draft date to change your mind fundamentally

930
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: about what you're getting if you draft him.

931
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 6: The combine is a meat locker, you know, when you

932
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 6: go to a fancy steakhouse and they bring in back

933
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 6: and you get the pick your steak.

934
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: That's the combine.

935
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 6: But the difference is the stakes are alive still and

936
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 6: you're looking at them and you're like, Yeah.

937
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: That one looks really good.

938
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: I like that one over there.

939
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: Let's get at medium like it's It doesn't provide any

940
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: value to us on the outside because we can't talk

941
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 6: to these kids. If I could sit down and talk

942
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 6: to Kayleb Williams face to face, man to man, and

943
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 6: have a conversation with him, I would get value out

944
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 6: of the combine. But are we going to learn anything

945
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 6: about Kayleb Williams's physical even his mental acumen from the

946
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 6: com No, Because last year the mental side of the

947
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 6: S two score with CJ. Strout was completely debunked, and

948
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 6: that score now has zero value in terms of grading

949
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 6: a quarterback in my eyes, and I think you have

950
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 6: this you know, it's it's just it's a popularity contest,

951
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 6: and everybody wants to talk to Caleb.

952
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 3: And that question reminds.

953
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 6: Me of when trolls hop into my mentions or dms

954
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 6: and you know, get mad at me for giving out

955
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: a losing pick five years ago, when I was just

956
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 6: starting out in this gambling media thing, I might have

957
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: gone back.

958
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: And forth and mixed it up with him.

959
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 6: Now I just ignore them because I know that I'm

960
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 6: going to give out a winner tomorrow and their opinion

961
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 6: of me is irrelevant because they're not paying my salary.

962
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: So Caleb handled it very well.

963
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 6: I would have probably been a little bit more testy,

964
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: but I think Caleb's probably been coached up on a

965
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 6: lot of this stuff by his people, and so he is.

966
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 6: It's like when you take the airborne before you go

967
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 6: on the plane, like your immunity is built up for

968
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 6: these asinine questions that you're going to get. So he's

969
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 6: very prepared, and just like any other game script, he

970
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 6: went into it and he's stuck to the script and yeah,

971
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 6: this is a nothing burger for me. Okay, So now

972
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 6: we get to the juicy part here.

973
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't think this criticism is unfair, but you guys

974
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: tell me if you think it is. I am sensing

975
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 2: high maintenance vibes from Caleb Williams and the camp over here.

976
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: Now now here are the reasons why. Let me lay

977
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: it out for you real fast. So we're talking about

978
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: the medical testing where he said he's not going to

979
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: be medical testing at the combine. He said, for the

980
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: medical stuff, I'll be doing that, just not hear in indye,

981
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: I'll be doing it at team interviews.

982
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 4: And just on the.

983
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Surface, you're like, okay, But I look at that coupled

984
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: with a lot of other things, And to be fair,

985
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: most of this is with his dad, Carl, not necessarily

986
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. But this goes back last year. He was

987
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: asking around last summer about the possibility of his son

988
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: getting an ownership stake with the team that drafted him, Like,

989
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: can he own part of the team, not just have

990
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: his contract?

991
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: Carl monopoly?

992
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he questioned the rookie wage scale. He had lawyers

993
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: look into it. Are there any loopholes? Can we kind

994
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: of expose this? And it's just one thing after another

995
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: when you have to declare for the draft. He waited

996
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: to the very last day because you're just pushing back

997
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: on everything. His dad pushed back on the draft in general.

998
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: He's like, why is the team with the worst record

999
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: get the top pick? What's up with that? I'm just

1000
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: sensing high maintenance and to be fair simple, uper talented

1001
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: and are productive. They're worth by no means. Am I

1002
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: saying no, thanks, don't want him. I think he's more

1003
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: than worth it. But I'm sensing some high maintenance red

1004
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: flags over here. It's kind of like with Kawhi Leonard

1005
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: and Uncle Dennis, and it's like, oh gosh, you still

1006
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: want Kawhi Leonard all day long. I would still draft

1007
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams number one all day long. But I think

1008
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some high maintenance turbulence along the way.

1009
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 2: That's what I'm sensing here.

1010
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 5: Listen, there could be you know here. I'll let me

1011
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: change the paradigm a little bit. Imagine if Peyton Manning

1012
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: had a son who was incredible in college and then

1013
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 5: advanced to the league, and he was the father asking

1014
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 5: all those questions because of his credibility, because of what

1015
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: he's done in the league, we would all be be

1016
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: saying to ourselves like Peyton's got a point, Like the

1017
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 5: truth is, Carl Williams has a point, Like there there is.

1018
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: It's not com I mean, this isn't out of the blue.

1019
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 5: It's been bandied about and discussed plenty that maybe, considering

1020
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 5: how valuable and important quarterbacks are to these NFL franchises,

1021
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 5: they should get a cut of the overall percentage, you

1022
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 5: know there That was discussed with Patrick Mahomes his very

1023
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: last contract he signed, where he signed a five hundred

1024
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 5: million dollar sign contract.

1025
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 4: You know.

1026
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: So I'm just saying, like, context really is everything in

1027
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 5: this world, and I haven't heard like this hasn't been

1028
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: the LeVar Ball esque circus that he was creating from

1029
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: immediate profile standpoint to promote his sons like a Carnival

1030
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 5: barker like this, this has been The things that I've

1031
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: heard from that camp and that NFL circles are worry

1032
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: about are things that NFL circles have been worry about

1033
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 5: for a long time, because you can make a pretty

1034
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 5: strong argument that players, even still considering how much they're

1035
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: making in the NFL, are still gravely underpaid, and they

1036
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 5: also don't get the benefits that they deserve during their

1037
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 5: career or post career from the NFL. So Carl's got

1038
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: a couple of good points. And then I'll circle back

1039
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 5: to the other thing. Even with the the the fame

1040
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 5: and the you know, staying with the Manning family that

1041
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: Archie Archie Manning had when him and I forget that

1042
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 5: it was a John Knef whoever the agent was during

1043
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: Eli Manning's draft process.

1044
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: Do you remember the whole Oh, the NFL was coming

1045
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: after the Manning family.

1046
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: They you know, I mean, these guys, look, this is

1047
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 5: you know, self importance to a level we've never seen before.

1048
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: And this is all all that outrage is generated on

1049
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: the side of the league and the NFL owners so

1050
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 4: that players don't think to themselves like, yeah, like this

1051
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 4: is this, This's just the way it's done.

1052
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 5: Like we can argue for more. They're saying, no, no, no, no,

1053
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 5: don't you dare otherwise we'll sully your name and we'll

1054
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: make you an enemy to the fan base before you

1055
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 5: even get into this league. That's exactly what's happening to

1056
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams right now.

1057
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: So two things come to mind here.

1058
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 6: I agree that on the surface, this doesn't help the

1059
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 6: image that we saw last of Caleb Williams, which was

1060
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 6: crying on the sidelines, right Like, this type of rhetoric

1061
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 6: is not going to quelch any of that you know

1062
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 6: rumors about his you know, personality and behind the scenes stuff.

1063
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 6: The reason that I don't think it's over the top

1064
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 6: yet is because he's just asking closed mouths don't get fed.

1065
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 6: I think it's fair to ask for things that are

1066
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 6: outside the scope.

1067
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: Of the norm.

1068
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: But when you get told no, how do you respond?

1069
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 6: That's to me, that's going to be the true mark

1070
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 6: of maturity. It's, frankly the mark of maturity in life

1071
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 6: when you get told no, when you get pushed down,

1072
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 6: when you have to look at adversity in the face,

1073
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 6: do you quiver, run away and cry, or do you

1074
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 6: overcome it and say, Okay, I asked you're not giving

1075
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 6: me these absurd contract you know, stipulations. Let's go out

1076
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 6: on the field and I'll show you why you're wrong.

1077
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 6: If that's the attitude, we're good. Like it's okay to

1078
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 6: ask for more money if they say yes, I'm never

1079
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 6: gonna fault like I never faulted.

1080
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 3: People got so.

1081
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 6: Mad at a Rod when the Rangers gave him that

1082
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 6: big contract. You never fault the player for getting a

1083
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 6: big contract. The team has to agree to pay you.

1084
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 6: You are worth what a team is willing to pay you.

1085
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 6: If you say if they say yes and agree to

1086
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 6: the deal, great, you got an amazing contract. If they

1087
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 6: say no, are you gonna cry and pout about it?

1088
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 6: Or you're gonna go out and play like you deserve

1089
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 6: that contract. We haven't gotten to that point yet where

1090
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 6: Caleb has to sing for his supper. We'll see how

1091
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 6: the process plays out the contract negotiations. If he asks

1092
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 6: for things that he doesn't get and then it starts

1093
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 6: to become a story behind the scenes, then I would

1094
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 6: be willing.

1095
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: To say yes, this is very deva behavior.

1096
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: I hear you.

1097
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: I just think there's a difference. I'll put it this way.

1098
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: If my girl says, hey, can we go.

1099
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: Out to a nice restaurant on Saturday night, It's like, oh, yeah, yeah,

1100
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: we could do that. There's a difference between her saying

1101
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 2: that and hey, can we fly first class to Italy

1102
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: fash She's.

1103
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: Gonna ask, though, you're gonna ask him on what?

1104
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: Run that by me again?

1105
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: Like that's where I come back with Caleb's dad is

1106
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: some of these things, some of the pushback, some of

1107
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: the requests. It's valid, it's understandable, but all of it

1108
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: is self serving and some of it is ridiculous. Before

1109
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: he's played it down in the NFL, and you're asking

1110
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: for an ownership stake, what are you talking about? That's

1111
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And you could chalk

1112
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: it up to you, well, if you don't ask, you

1113
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 2: don't know. No, you do know in this instance, there's

1114
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: no chance that would ever ever ever happen. And that's

1115
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: the part where look or just pushing back on, hey,

1116
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: what is this draft worked the way it does?

1117
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: Again?

1118
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: All self serving. You don't want your son to go

1119
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 2: to a team where it's not a great situation. Understandable.

1120
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: They're not gonna change the whole draft on the fly

1121
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: to benefit your son. It's just looney tune stuff. That's

1122
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: why if you're let's say it gets drafted by the Bears,

1123
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: if you're the head coach, if your upper management and

1124
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: someone's like, hey, Carl Williams wants to talk to you,

1125
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: it'd be like, oh God, here we go again. Like

1126
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying. I got hyphe maintenance vibes from

1127
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and most notably his dad. I'm not steering clear,

1128
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: I am just preparing for what's to come, and there's

1129
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot.

1130
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 4: I think.

1131
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 5: I think that's fair, and it's a really good point, Brian,

1132
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 5: because you're right, especially when there's a familial relationship, it's

1133
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: more than just business, even as much as you want

1134
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: to keep it business. I mean, this is the man

1135
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 5: who created this boy. You know, there is a connection

1136
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 5: to this child. I mean even as a grown man,

1137
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 5: and Caleb, Caleb Williams is a grown man, but that

1138
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 5: is still someone's child. And Carl stepping into a room

1139
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 5: and negotiating on his behalf is going to be very

1140
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 5: different than an agent who's hired, who has a family

1141
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 5: of his own, who has a professional disattachment from Caleb.

1142
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 5: When he goes to bed at night, his worries are

1143
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 5: with his family, they're not with Caleb Williams.

1144
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: You know, there's that professional distance.

1145
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: Carl will never have that with his with his client

1146
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 5: because his client is his son. And so all of

1147
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 5: your points are well heard and well taken here. But again,

1148
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 5: everything that Carl Williams has argued for or against or

1149
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 5: I shouldn't even say that because we don't know exactly

1150
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 5: what he's argued for. We just know what's been sourced

1151
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: to the public all of these things. Yeah, the NFL

1152
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 5: draft is weird, Like why do we do that? Why

1153
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 5: is that the way players get appoached out of.

1154
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: College to go? Like?

1155
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 5: Why are we relegating a player to go play for

1156
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 5: a miserable organization? Who's the most talented player on the planets?

1157
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: Now?

1158
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: I get it, Fritz sauce Man, It's parody, that's the

1159
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: way it goes.

1160
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: It's I get it. I know why it works and why,

1161
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 4: why why they do it?

1162
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 5: But but and and trust me, and that has made

1163
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: a huge difference in terms of fan base engagement and

1164
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 5: the reason why the NFL is so popular. And we

1165
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: could go down that road at different time, But there's

1166
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 5: that there's this feeling of I I understand that he

1167
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: looks like a villain now, but just remember who's trying

1168
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 5: to make you feel like he's a villain?

1169
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: Real fast, Our trusted producer Bo Benson's got something on this.

1170
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: What do you have, Bo?

1171
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 12: You you know what other quarterback is high maintenance.

1172
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: There's plenty of Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers.

1173
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 12: Aaron Rodgers is high screaming on the sidelines at refs

1174
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 12: beyond believe everything we've learned about Aaron Rodgers over the

1175
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 12: last few couple of years here, Like he's probably the

1176
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 12: most high maintenance quarterback I've ever seen in my life.

1177
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 12: But I would still take him if I was a Packer.

1178
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 12: I still haven't run my you know, quarterback ra football team.

1179
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: I feel the same way with Kaleb.

1180
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, no issues with that.

1181
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 6: You might feel the same way with Caleb that few

1182
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 6: watch them play. I think that's the difference here. Like,

1183
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 6: I'm okay with any absurd ask. For example, I've heard

1184
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 6: some ridiculous stories of some of my friends trying to

1185
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 6: get stipulations in their television contracts, like absurd stuff like

1186
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 6: private jets and like, you know, just like ridiculous things

1187
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 6: that will never get granted. But the agent says, if

1188
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 6: I don't ask at the onset of the negotiation, I

1189
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 6: can't ask at the second round because it's then it's

1190
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 6: really absurd. But if you just present that stuff and

1191
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 6: then you get told no inevitably, and then you go

1192
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 6: pout about it, that's where the red flag really gets

1193
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 6: raised for me. So and also, Rich, this will follow

1194
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 6: for you, like when you were going through your contract

1195
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 6: negotiation process, was it all agent or was you have

1196
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 6: a circle, a family circle, your buddy, your cousin, your dad,

1197
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 6: your this and that. Because I think the information and

1198
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 6: the advice that these kids get sometimes can be really flawed.

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00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it can be trusted. We got a move. Yah.

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I trusted people around me and we could get

1201
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 5: to a little later on. But yeah, I'll tell you what,

1202
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 5: it was very different when you hear how other people

1203
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 5: experienced that phenomena of negotiating with a team.

1204
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: It varies wildly.

1205
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a Rich Hernberger, Penn State All American. Jared

1206
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: Smith FSR, betting analyst on Brian No coming up next.

1207
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: Got some interesting comments from the combine.

1208
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: Huh.

1209
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: We've got comments about random players here and there, but

1210
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: comments about quarterbacks to the top of the list. We'll

1211
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: share some with you right around the corner. It's Fox

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00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is

1213
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. A lot

1214
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: of headlines coming from the NFL combine. This one, Ah man,

1215
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: it'll make every guy WinCE. I promise I just saw

1216
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: this and said after running a four too eight forty

1217
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Clemson cornerback Nate Wiggins quote felt something pop in his groin.

1218
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: End quoteh is we're looking for there, but that's a blistering.

1219
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: I've been there.

1220
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: The combine is just yeah, that's right there, especially if

1221
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: it's a pop to the groin.

1222
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: Not Oh, let me tell you about let me tell

1223
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 5: you about the worst groin injury I've ever had in

1224
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 5: my career.

1225
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 4: Let's hear it.

1226
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 5: Oh dude, this this is going to I'm telling you

1227
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 5: you're gonna be white knuckling it at one point in

1228
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 5: this story. Okay, So with the Chargers, I can't remember

1229
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 5: if this is twenty thirteen or fourteen, but we had

1230
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 5: an early season game against the Cowboys.

1231
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: They were coming to San.

1232
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 5: Diego, and I am a reserve offensive lineman, but I'm

1233
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 5: getting some some playing time because we had a bunch

1234
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: of injuries in the beginning of the season, and so

1235
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 5: I have to start this game against the Cowboys at

1236
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: right guard.

1237
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: But it was either I practiced the week before maybe

1238
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: during the.

1239
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 5: Game I had torn my groin like as bad as

1240
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 5: I've ever done it, Like where to the point where

1241
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: at the attachment where the muscles actually attach like right

1242
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: next to your your prize joy, you know what I mean,

1243
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 5: Like it's right there, It's right up in there, like

1244
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 5: that's where all the pain was.

1245
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 4: So I'm like, and it's black and blue. It's awful.

1246
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what can we do? Like, how am

1247
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 5: I gonna survive this game? They're like, well we can.

1248
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: We can tape you up. I'm like, tape up a groin?

1249
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 4: How do you do that? There?

1250
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 5: They got all these ideas, right, So they tape around

1251
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 5: the one hip and then they sort of like almost

1252
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 5: like like make it so your legs you have a

1253
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 5: hard time separating your legs, so that there's a little

1254
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 5: bit more resistance, like almost they're trying to tape up

1255
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 5: a new groin. I'm like, none of this is working

1256
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 5: all that well at practice, and they're relying on me.

1257
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 5: So it's a I want to say, it's a Thursday

1258
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 5: before game day, maybe Friday, it's you know, we're playing

1259
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 5: on Sunday, and they go, well, would you would you

1260
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 5: consider a quarterzone injection? I was like, to the to

1261
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 5: the groin, and they're like, yeah, yeah, would you consider

1262
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 5: it at least? And I was like, yeah, just give me,

1263
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 5: like you know, a few minutes at least, maybe it

1264
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: could do.

1265
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: I have twenty four hour ready to go.

1266
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: They were ready, yeah, right now.

1267
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 5: And so I I decide to go with it. And

1268
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 5: I kid you not a needle that looked like a

1269
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: telephone poll to me.

1270
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm splayed out like Thanksgiving dinner.

1271
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: I'm I'm holding I'm holding everything I love to the

1272
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 5: opposite thigh and I'm sweating like I'm under questioning right

1273
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 5: now as this needle is inching closer and closer, and

1274
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 5: I'm panicked.

1275
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 4: I was about to faint. I don't. I'm not squeamish

1276
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 4: around needles.

1277
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 5: So anyways, this thing goes goes in and I'll save

1278
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 5: you some of the dramatics here, but but the most

1279
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 5: uncomfortable part was while they're trying to find the correct

1280
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 5: spot for the injection, they're banging into bones on the interior.

1281
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 5: Oh dude, against them. It was awful. So anyways, I digress, said,

1282
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 5: I go back to the story of the combine.

1283
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 4: I feel for this athlete. I feel for this athlete.

1284
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know how Krack says on Sundays, So you

1285
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 6: want to be a gambler, Yeah, yeah, right, So you

1286
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 6: want to be a professional athlete's right. Like, honestly, Ridge,

1287
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 6: there was a moment in my freshman sophomore year of

1288
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 6: high school when I was starting the start he is

1289
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 6: going to sound super cocky, but the starting quarterback on

1290
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 6: Annandale's JV football team.

1291
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: When I was like, I'm going to the I'm going

1292
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: to college. I'm playing quarterback in college.

1293
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 6: Then I got to varsity my junior year and I

1294
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 6: started practicing like I was the scout team quarterback, practicing

1295
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 6: against the number one defense on varsity, and I got pummeled,

1296
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 6: and I said, Yep, football career is over. See see

1297
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 6: you at Penn State in the journalism department. Like it

1298
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 6: just the physical side of it is unrelenting.

1299
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what you have to go through to get

1300
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: back on the field is crazy. I'll share a very

1301
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: brief story, and this is not trying to one up you,

1302
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: but it reminds.

1303
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 4: Me I can't I can't compete with that story. But no, the.

1304
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: One that made me the most squeamish out of any

1305
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: injury I've had, I had surgery. I can't even remember.

1306
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: I think it was a knee surgery I had. But anyway,

1307
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: they hook you up with morphine afterward, and so you're

1308
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: just hitting this button. I'm like, button, it's a button,

1309
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: yean kept the Parley button.

1310
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1311
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: And they kept on coming in and they're like, hey,

1312
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: do you need to go to the restroom? And I'm like,

1313
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: uh no, no, I'm fine. And they kept on asking me,

1314
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: do you need to go to the restroom now? No,

1315
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm fine. They and they put something up to

1316
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: my stomach and they told me. They're like, okay, you

1317
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: have about a wine bottle size of urine in your

1318
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: bladder right now and it's got to come out. And

1319
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm like okay. So basically the morphine had jacked up

1320
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: my system where I didn't know I had to go

1321
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: to the bathroom. And so I'm kind of looking at

1322
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: them like okay, well I could like try real hard.

1323
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. Like they're like, no, no,

1324
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: we got to give you a catheter. Oh so what

1325
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: what is this uh cathetery that you speak of? And

1326
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: if it yea, and they had I'm not even kidding.

1327
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: It's this for anybody who's had it, you know where

1328
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm going. But yeah, it won't be as graphic as

1329
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: it could be. It's literally this plastic, this rubbery thing

1330
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: that's at least the width of a number two pencil

1331
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: and the very probably bigger. And they're like, that's gotta go.

1332
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: Where do you think you know going? It is the

1333
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: worst experience. And what did you say, rich, Like your

1334
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: pride and joy in that moment, your pride and joy

1335
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: is in full retreat mode, just like, oh no, no,

1336
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: we want no part of this. And there's some doctor

1337
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: and some nurse and you're like, this is the worst eh.

1338
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 5: And you know what's so crazy because of a professional athlete,

1339
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 5: even collegiate athlete, you're your your proximity to doctors and

1340
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: your proximity to to medical injury and emergency. Like, I

1341
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 5: know everything that happened to you. What happened was peristalsis

1342
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 5: was halted. Paristalsis is like the involuntary movement of things

1343
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 5: throughout your body. It happens in your large and small

1344
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 5: intestine and as.

1345
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 4: You move food through your system.

1346
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 5: To get out of you, it happens obviously with your

1347
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 5: bladder and all. You know, as urine makes its way out,

1348
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 5: like all of these painkillers, like it relaxes you, right,

1349
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: you feel great when you're on them. Well, it relaxes everything,

1350
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 5: including the involuntary stuff. And so I've heard horror stories

1351
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 5: of like players where it's constipation they're dealing with because

1352
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 5: of like the heavy painkillers.

1353
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 4: And Dude, some of the stories.

1354
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 5: And we cannot talk about it, but some of the

1355
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 5: stories of how they've decompacted guys who are dealing with that.

1356
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: It will keep you up at night. He gets acted

1357
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 4: is not.

1358
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: A word I expected to hear on the show.

1359
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: The meaning of decommittee compacted.

1360
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 6: That the best word that's ever been uttered on this show.

1361
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 6: In the context that was uttered, do not look it.

1362
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 4: Up, but you know.

1363
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 6: And to tie it all back to what I do

1364
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 6: every day from my little command, the things that I

1365
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 6: don't know about these players and what they go through.

1366
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 6: I try to learn everything and absorb as much information

1367
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 6: as possible. But just that little anecdote rich about like

1368
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: the biggest moment of your career when you're trying to

1369
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 6: start a football game as a backup, trying to make

1370
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 6: it rock and you have to deal with a like

1371
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 6: a debilitating injury at that time, and we don't realize

1372
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 6: the toll that that takes on these guys, and it

1373
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 6: it is, and the combine it obviously it's the start

1374
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 6: of it, and they'll it'll just be the beginning for

1375
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 6: these guys going pro.

1376
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: But man, I mean some of these stories and I've

1377
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 3: read I heard stuff.

1378
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1379
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you real fast and we'll get to elow.

1380
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: That's gotta be one of the most frustrating things, especially

1381
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: as a professional athlete, when the public has no idea

1382
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: the severity of the injury you're fighting through, you know

1383
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, And I ask you make the mistake

1384
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: of flipping around sports radio and it's like, oh, right,

1385
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: guard sucks. This freaking guy couldn't block me. And it's

1386
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: like Mike Groin was falling off in that game, and

1387
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: you have no idea. It's it's crazy, But we talked

1388
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: it to Ilo Somewhere. There's a Groin segue from from

1389
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: DCR conversation to I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

1390
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 4: But the one and only I Low is with us.

1391
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 10: Right here we begin in the Oh oh my guys. Oh,

1392
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 10: I just got a text from the Fox Sports Radio

1393
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 10: Promotions director. Congratulations the new tagline for your show, the

1394
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:29,360
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1395
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 4: Oh here's another one.

1396
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 2: This is from our sales dollar good good sponsorship opportunity.

1397
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 10: Wagner Urology Associates, So new multimillion dollar deal with your show.

1398
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 10: By the way, just one follow up when Rich uh

1399
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 10: began that anecdote and then we all in mass leaped

1400
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 10: down the rabbit hole. As part of my research to

1401
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 10: supplement this incident, I happened to look up Rich's page

1402
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 10: on Pro Football Reference dot com. Rich, I say this

1403
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 10: with the greatest of respect, because you know I love you.

1404
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 10: You need to contact these people and get a different

1405
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 10: picture for your profile page on dot com.

1406
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 4: You don't like it.

1407
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 10: You know, everything's great except your eyes. When the first

1408
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 10: phrase that comes to mind is serial killer, he kind of.

1409
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: You see it?

1410
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,879
Speaker 6: How about this from the Wikipedia phase, Richard Paul Ormberger

1411
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,440
Speaker 6: a sports news satires.

1412
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've done yeah like that.

1413
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's me and Shakespeare. You know Bill? Where'd

1414
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 4: you call him?

1415
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: Billy Bill?

1416
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 4: Regular Billy Shakespeare? You know, Rich?

1417
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 10: I think I understand why you look that way in

1418
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 10: that picture. It looks like it was from your Patriot days.

1419
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 10: Did Bill Belichick himself take that picture? Because that would

1420
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 10: explain all of it?

1421
01:10:49,880 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: Right, I looked very ready to play.

1422
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 3: Injury before they's all right?

1423
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: Top story.

1424
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 10: In fact, this morning does cover from the world of

1425
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,799
Speaker 10: the NFL, as ESPN reports the forty nine Ers promoting

1426
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 10: defensive passing game specialist Nick soren Sen to be their

1427
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 10: new defensive coordinator. Forty nine Ers also hiring former Los

1428
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 10: Angeles Chargers head coach Brandon Staley as assistant head coach.

1429
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 10: In the NBA Friday Night, Toronto, Scottie Barnes broke his

1430
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 10: left hand. It a lost to Golden State and it

1431
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 10: will be out indefinitely. Los Angeles Clippers guard Russell Westbrook

1432
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 10: broke his left hand. It'll win Friday over Washington and

1433
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 10: will also be out indefinitely. Finally, fellas in college football,

1434
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 10: twenty twelve Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manzell announced this morning

1435
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 10: that he will boycott the annual Heisman ceremony until two

1436
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 10: thousand and five winner Reggie Bush gets his trophy back.

1437
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 10: Manzell posted, and I quote doesn't sit right with my

1438
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 10: morals and values that he can't be on that stage

1439
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 10: with us every year. Do the right thing. NCAA, the

1440
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 10: ball is in your court. Morals and vale use are

1441
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 10: something that every single Aggie is ingrained with from the

1442
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 10: second that you step on campus. I chose not to

1443
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 10: accept that fact until recently. But moving forward, I will

1444
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 10: hold myself to a higher standard unquote word for word, folks,

1445
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 10: I can't make this crap up back to you.

1446
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna take more than Johnny Football to make

1447
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: that happen, no matter how much you think it should happen.

1448
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: But you know, like the guy that's saying, hey, hey,

1449
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: make this happen, shouldn't be the guy who was like

1450
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: nil pre nil? Does that make any sense? You know

1451
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: what I mean when he's talking about a batman and yeah, okay, yeah,

1452
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: real fast. We got to get to the combine here.

1453
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: So Omar Khan, he's the GM of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1454
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 2: He was talking about Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett and confidence

1455
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 2: that the organization has in him. I thought this was hilarious.

1456
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: Check this out.

1457
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 4: I have full faith in Kenny.

1458
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 8: He's shown us some good things and obviously there were

1459
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 8: some issues with the offense, and I'm excited about the

1460
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 8: impact that Arthur Smith's gonna have on him.

1461
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 4: You know, Arthur's very optimistic about Kenny, and you know,

1462
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 4: I know they've communicated and you.

1463
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 8: Said, we'll have some strong competition there.

1464
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 4: And we'll see where it goes.

1465
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: Look, man, there's only so much you can say. If

1466
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: you're in that situation. What are you gonna say, like, yeah,

1467
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: this guy kind of sucks. We're hoping to upgrade.

1468
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 4: Like you're not.

1469
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: Gonna you're not gonna say that. I get it, But

1470
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: like this is the ultimate. Just go by actions, not

1471
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: by words. You're gonna have these teams that are like, oh,

1472
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 2: we have full confidence in this guy. And is that

1473
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 2: why Mason Rudolph was starting at the end of the season,

1474
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: including in the playoffs, like Kenny Pickett was healthy. What

1475
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 2: faith does the organization have if they're starting Mason.

1476
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 4: Rudolph over him?

1477
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 2: Come on, Like, just go by the actions of teams.

1478
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: Don't go by the words, don't go by what they say,

1479
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: go by what they do.

1480
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 5: That's that's really that's it. That's the whole thing right there. Look,

1481
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 5: I I that's important in any interaction you have with anybody,

1482
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: like behind closed doors, whatever somebody says to you, or publicly,

1483
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 5: whatever somebody says to you, Like, oh, that's meaningful too.

1484
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 5: I'm not saying completely discount it, but actions are everything,

1485
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,959
Speaker 5: you know, It's it's it's those things that prove everything.

1486
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 5: In this case with the Steelers, we know what the

1487
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 5: score is with Kenny Pickett. They are looking at that

1488
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 5: situation and saying, look, we're gonna try to make the

1489
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 5: best of this. Whatever that means, whether there's trade value,

1490
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 5: whether maybe they can sculpt him into somebody they can

1491
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 5: trust later on, but right now, the Steelers don't trust

1492
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 5: him to be the starting quarterback.

1493
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 4: The Steelers are looking for a starting quarterback.

1494
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, speaking of I just saw JJ McCarty's

1495
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 6: measurements just get dropped from the combine. Pretty good stuff,

1496
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 6: six to two and a half, two twenty. Nice hand size,

1497
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 6: all right, we're talking about my hand size is all

1498
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 6: the rage with the quarterbacks these days. But yeah, I

1499
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 6: don't have any strong opinions of the gms and the

1500
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 6: scouts that we're gonna hear from over the next week.

1501
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 3: This is like the pre draft smoke screen.

1502
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 6: Any time a GM or any player personnel guy can

1503
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 6: boost the value of one of their players to make

1504
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 6: them more attractive on the open market, they're gonna do it.

1505
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 3: So this is not one of those situations where we.

1506
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 6: Expect Kenny Pickett to become this like, you know, star

1507
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 6: amongst stars, based off of how the Steelers used them

1508
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 6: last year. But I'm not surprised that Pittsburgh's going out

1509
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 6: of their way to boost his value. I don't think

1510
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 6: he's gonna get traded or anything like that, but it

1511
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 6: just it makes sense, like you never wanted the value

1512
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 6: players that are on your team, so you're always going

1513
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 6: to say things that are gonna kind of be You're

1514
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 6: going to overcompensate for the actual truth.

1515
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

1516
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: I think it's really eye opening if a team does

1517
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: the opposite of what you're saying. Jared, I hear you

1518
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 2: on all that. But the Seahawks, what GM John Schneider

1519
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: said about Geno Smith, he was like.

1520
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the starter. Until he's not.

1521
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,440
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, wow, not exactly a ring ringing endorsement.

1522
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: So it's interesting when it does go the other way.

1523
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, typically you do try to talk up your guys.

1524
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 2: That's typically how it goes. All Right, we've got Rich Hornberger,

1525
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: Penn State, All American survived groin issues in the NFL.

1526
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: Good lord, we got Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm

1527
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: Brian No coming up next. We try to earn you

1528
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 2: some cash. So many prop bet opportunities NBA College hoops.

1529
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: We'll share some picks with you.

1530
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 4: Coming up.

1531
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1532
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1533
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 2: No time to waste, Let's get to some picks. Let's

1534
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: dive into this prop.

1535
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: It up plays.

1536
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Jared, we'll start with you college hoops, NBA, wherever

1537
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: you want to go.

1538
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,520
Speaker 4: What do you think in prop betting.

1539
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 6: Wise, We'll give you a college hoops rebounding prop later tonight.

1540
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 6: Virginia plays Duke. What's the one thing we know about Virginia?

1541
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 6: They stink on offense?

1542
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1543
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 4: A lot of miss shots?

1544
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1545
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 6: A lot of rebounds? Hopefully for Mark Mitchell. Let's go

1546
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 6: over five and a half rebound from Mark Mitchell, so

1547
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 6: eight out of the last ten, sixty percent.

1548
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: Hit rate on the year.

1549
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 6: And here's the bonus, which is why I think this

1550
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 6: prov has a little bit of extra value.

1551
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 3: Kyle Philapowski's still dealing with the knee injury, of course,

1552
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 3: the court storming that took place.

1553
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 6: Last week, so maybe not one hundred percent getting those

1554
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 6: top nitty gritty rebounds against the brutal Virginia offense. I

1555
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 6: think Mark Mitchell at seven in the last game against Louisville. Again,

1556
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 6: this is a very consistent prop for him over five

1557
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 6: and a half rebounds tonight against the Cats.

1558
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, all right, you know I'm gonna focus

1559
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 5: on one game. I like to do this with prop bets,

1560
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 5: and I'm looking at this Denver Nuggets LA Lakers game

1561
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 5: tonight to rematch from the Western Conference Final. I think

1562
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 5: the stars show up, especially in LA. Lebron's been on

1563
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 5: a heater lately, keeping his name relevant and in the headlines,

1564
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 5: and this is another opportunity for him to do just that.

1565
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 4: But nick A jokicch I mean, the guy's a baller.

1566
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 5: He continues to impress me with this slow approach to

1567
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 5: the hoop.

1568
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 4: He's relentless.

1569
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 5: Give me the over on the twenty and a half

1570
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 5: twenty seven and a half points that he has. And

1571
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 5: then Lebron's been really successful from three recively. I like

1572
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 5: him going over the two to three pointers in this game.

1573
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 5: So give me at least three three pointers from Lebron

1574
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 5: and give me jokicch over twenty seven and a half tonight.

1575
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm looking at the Tennessee game today.

1576
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: They're at Alabama, and Alabama is allergic to playing defense. Yeah,

1577
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: he's seeing nicely. They don't do it. And so I'm

1578
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: gonna go with their point guard, Tennessee's point guard za

1579
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: Kai Ziegler. I'm gonna take him over six and a

1580
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 2: half assists. I think he gets the seven assists today.

1581
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: A lot of opportunities in transition, a lot of opportunities

1582
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 2: just feeding Dalton connect who is an outstanding.

1583
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,839
Speaker 4: Score He's been absurd this season. So I think Ziegler

1584
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 4: gets the seven assists. That's what I'm gonna play today.

1585
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 6: I can't wait to I mean, obviously Mark Madness right

1586
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 6: like we're on the cous with the guys.

1587
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 3: The show is gonna have a very different feel. You

1588
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: know when we get to the tournament.

1589
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 4: Tennessee.

1590
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 6: Man, if you take Rick Barnes and you just figure

1591
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 6: out a way to get over the monkey off his

1592
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 6: back for the tournament, man, that Tennessee team.

1593
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 3: Is so talented.

1594
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 6: A really fun game later tonight Boise State and New Mexico.

1595
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 6: If you haven't been watching the Mountain West Conference this

1596
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 6: year in basketball, what are you doing? The last time

1597
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 6: these two teams played very high scoring game. Boise State won,

1598
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 6: but New Mexico's Donovan Dent had a career game thirty

1599
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,480
Speaker 6: one points. And I think the way he's a slashing

1600
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 6: kind of guard, I think that really gives Boise's defense

1601
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 6: some trouble. Over the last month, they're kind of falling

1602
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 6: off defensively. Donovan Dent over thirteen and a half points.

1603
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 6: Tonight should be an absolute barn burner between Boise and

1604
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 6: New Mexico.

1605
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 3: I love this game. You got to get involved in somewhere.

1606
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: I could just picture you getting set for Mountain West.

1607
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: Has the Vegas come to Vegas.

1608
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: It is gonna be awesome.

1609
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 2: I could see you being courtside ready for Mountain West.

1610
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Action there awesome, very nice. I'm curious because Lebron only

1611
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: nine points away from forty thousand for his career. So

1612
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: it looks like it's gonna happen tonight against Denver. We'll

1613
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: get some more matchups around the corner. Also, potential rule changes,

1614
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 2: not just the NFL, also college. Ah, Yes, when is

1615
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 2: going on happy Saturday morning to you? I hope it's

1616
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: a pleasant one for you. Okay, So we've got potential

1617
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: rule changes and this has nothing to do with the

1618
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: ridiculous ideas of college football to change the formats to

1619
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: fourteen teams, and hey, let's just give automatic qualifying spots

1620
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: to the Big ten and the SEC. Let's give them

1621
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: three apiece, and you know what, let's pencil them in

1622
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: as the seeds there that get automatic buys. Nothing to

1623
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: do with any of that ridiculousness. We've got potential rule

1624
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: changes in the NFL, a couple in college. This is

1625
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: why I want us to do a simple yay or nay.

1626
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 2: You're either for the change, you're against the change. Okay,

1627
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: So let's start with this. The NFL. They're testing a

1628
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: system where we're going to electronically measure first downs. No

1629
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: more chain gang, and we're gonna do this electronically. Yay

1630
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: or nay?

1631
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 4: You in favor or not?

1632
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 5: I think I'm in favor. I mean for multiple reasons.

1633
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 5: Did you see the member of.

1634
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: The chain gang.

1635
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 5: I think it was during oh, I forget which game

1636
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:44,480
Speaker 5: I was watching, but just get his knee absolutely destroyed

1637
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 5: on the sideline.

1638
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 4: It might have been a Texans game.

1639
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 5: It like it was so I mean, the guy was screaming,

1640
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 5: obviously injured.

1641
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 4: I mean it was dramatic.

1642
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 5: And then yeah, but football player who's in the middle

1643
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 5: of a game, who's like, oh, I see this person

1644
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 5: who's in a great deal of pain, But I got

1645
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 5: to get back to the huddle. And it's just not

1646
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 5: a great look for the league to have these no

1647
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 5: offense but oftentimes out of shaped gentleman standing on the

1648
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 5: sideline holding the yard markers, availing themselves to injury. Plus

1649
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: not for nothing, but we've seen index cards get taken

1650
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 5: out of pockets to measure.

1651
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 4: Whether or not it is. Oh so yeah, I'm one

1652
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 4: hundred percent in favor of this rule change.

1653
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 6: This is like, where has this been the last like

1654
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 6: ten years? Because you know, this technology is available because

1655
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 6: they do it on the tennis courts all the time,

1656
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 6: the eye and the sky when they do the review.

1657
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 6: So this technology has been available for quite some time.

1658
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 6: Why is a billion dollar league still relying on mister

1659
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 6: magoo to spot the football and get the right you know?

1660
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean these are like inch It is a game

1661
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:52,919
Speaker 4: of inches.

1662
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 6: Why do we not have a direct measuring device to

1663
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 6: get the inches right?

1664
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: This is a million thumbs up this rule change.

1665
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: I go nay, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

1666
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: I like it. I love the drama of them extending

1667
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: the chains and then is it a first down? Is

1668
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: it short of the way the defenders huddle around that's

1669
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: the sticks, and it's like, it's not a first down,

1670
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 2: our ball, I'll miss all the stuff's wrong.

1671
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: You'd rather get the spot wrong than have that.

1672
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 6: Drama close enough it's close enough that it doesn't.

1673
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 4: Get this down.

1674
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 5: How about this, don't eliminate the chain gang, but also

1675
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 5: have that option, so like, have them come out, go

1676
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,440
Speaker 5: through the drama, and then honestly.

1677
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,839
Speaker 4: And then and then.

1678
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 5: Go and see like the spot tracker and let's see,

1679
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 5: because I'm sure what happens in a lot of these

1680
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 5: games is when an official inappropriately spots the football when

1681
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 5: they get it wrong on the pull of the chain

1682
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 5: to you know, designate whether it's short of the first

1683
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 5: down or a first down for the offense. I'm sure

1684
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 5: there are times where these officials get a call from

1685
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 5: the league office and they're like, hey, buddy, you missed

1686
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 5: that one, and you missed it big, and there's a

1687
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 5: lot of pissed off people in Vegas right now, So.

1688
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: That would be the last time.

1689
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,919
Speaker 5: Otherwise you're not going to be getting primetime games anymore,

1690
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 5: you know, so I think it'll help. I think it'll

1691
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 5: help the chain games keep their job.

1692
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, how about this, yay or nay? The kickoff

1693
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 2: rule changing now. What they're thinking about doing is the

1694
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: XFL rule for kickoffs, where so you have the kickoff team,

1695
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: they're all standing well downfield and there's a five yard

1696
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: gap between the kicking team and the receiving team. So

1697
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: they kick the ball off and then when the returner

1698
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: catches it, boom, you start colliding and all that. But

1699
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: you don't have the high speed collisions. It's supposed to

1700
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: cut down on concussions. I go, yay. We only had

1701
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: twenty two percent of kickoffs returned last It's a touchback fest.

1702
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: So if we get some version of kickoffs, I'd rather

1703
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: it be the XFL version than what we currently have.

1704
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kinda I'm so torn because there's a part

1705
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 5: of my heart that loves the old school, like almost

1706
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 5: like braveheart s Yeah, hold the line as people are

1707
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 5: screaming down field at you. But I do understand the

1708
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 5: danger of the play, and I don't want to see

1709
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 5: people rendered unconscious, which used to happen at an alarming

1710
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 5: rate when you looked at the numbers. So here's why

1711
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 5: I land on this. I would prefer to have a

1712
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 5: football play determine the opening of a game as opposed

1713
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 5: to us just settling into offense after a coin toss.

1714
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 5: So so yeah, i'd like I'd like to see some

1715
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 5: version of the kickoff, and I think this is probably

1716
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 5: the only safe way you could do that.

1717
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 6: And if you watch though, I watched a lot of

1718
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 6: the XFL Suppress Surprise, I bet a lot of those games.

1719
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 4: Ye, so.

1720
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 3: Shocker Birmingham.

1721
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 6: That play is really intriguing from a strategy standpoint because

1722
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 6: it's almost like an offensive play where you can pull

1723
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 6: guys and you can move your blocking schemes. So there's

1724
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 6: a certain level of creativity involved that makes it very

1725
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 6: interesting from a coaching standpoint. That's why I think it

1726
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 6: adds a level a layer to the special teams that

1727
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 6: I think has been missing since the new touchback rule

1728
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 6: has kind of been put in the effect the last

1729
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 6: decade or so.

1730
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: Okay, hip drop tackles next on the list. So look,

1731
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: this is when Okay, a defender is trying to tackle

1732
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 2: the ball carrier. This happened to Mark Andrews the Ravens

1733
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: tight end last year, where Logan Wilson of the Bengals.

1734
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: He's trying to tackle him. He's got him wrapped up

1735
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: around the waist and he'll sink his hips to try

1736
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 2: to bring down the ball carrier. Than sometimes the defender

1737
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: lands on the legs of the ball carrier. It's a

1738
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 2: dangerous play. I go nay on this. I know they're

1739
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: trying to make it safer. I get it, but you've

1740
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: got offensive players like Austin Eckler saying no, I'm not

1741
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: for this. Football is dangerous. I don't think you can

1742
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: legislate all the danger out of it. I don't know

1743
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 2: how you tackle anymore. But this is going to go away.

1744
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 2: I see this pushing through. I'm just against it. Where

1745
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: do you guys stand?

1746
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 5: I think I do agree with you and Austin Eckler

1747
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 5: and the many voices who say football is inherently dangerous.

1748
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 5: Tackling is a part of the sport and unless you're

1749
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 5: going to look, there's ways to mitigate the violence of tackling.

1750
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 5: And I think the NFL has done a great job

1751
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 5: of protecting defenseless players on the field at all levels.

1752
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 5: You know, whether you're running back or you're a wide

1753
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 5: receiver and by the way, also in so doing that

1754
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 5: they've protected defenders from themselves. I can't tell you how

1755
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 5: many safeties I've seen come screaming in to put a

1756
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 5: big hit on a running back and knock themselves out

1757
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 5: on a forearm or a lowered shoulder, and and you know,

1758
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 5: and and sometimes have like pretty significant injuries on the

1759
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 5: other side of that outside of just a head injury.

1760
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 5: So I I think that enough of the violence of

1761
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 5: tackling has been legislated out of the game that we're

1762
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 5: at a pretty good point.

1763
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,480
Speaker 4: We're we're encroaching on the tipping.

1764
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 5: Point where if now you leave tackling to the officials

1765
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 5: subjective opinion of what's of what's what's the wrong way

1766
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 5: to tackle, we're gonna get into a weird gray area

1767
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 5: where more games instead of less, are going to be

1768
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 5: decided on these tiki taki fouls that officials.

1769
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 4: Can throw flags on at any point.

1770
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 3: That's the key.

1771
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 6: It's not that the tackle itself needs to be officiated out.

1772
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 6: It's the officials having to judge the difference in real

1773
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 6: time at fast speeds. And we just mentioned it's like

1774
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 6: mister Macgoose sometimes the back judge. It's really hard to

1775
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 6: judge like was he on And I've seen this with

1776
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 6: horse collars too, where you're kind of grabbing the side

1777
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 6: and the angle's not there, and they throw the flag

1778
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 6: and then you look at it again and.

1779
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, you know, that's kind of not.

1780
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 3: The spirit of the rule.

1781
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1782
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 6: And I think when you put too much, there's so

1783
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 6: much pressure on these officials to get everything right. We

1784
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 6: keep adding on little nuances for them to look at,

1785
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 6: and eventually, as you mentioned, oversaturation, it's like when you

1786
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 6: put the sponge in the water. Eventually it gets so

1787
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 6: heavy you just can't use it anymore. And that's where

1788
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 6: I think we're at with a lot of this TICKI

1789
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 6: tac tackling stuff. Now, it's dangerous and it probably should

1790
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 6: be outlawed, but it's a very hard thing to put

1791
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 6: in practice. I think the better thing to do is

1792
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 6: have everyone review these after the fact and just send

1793
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 6: out fines, send out finds the next week, have a

1794
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 6: chance to review them, determine which one was really bad,

1795
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 6: the worst, and then send that guy the fine and

1796
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 6: hopefully eventually they get the message.

1797
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,719
Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna be hard to go fast on this one,

1798
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: but we need to end zone fumbles. The Competition Committee

1799
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: is not looking to modify this rule, which is awful

1800
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: news for the intelligent people in the crowd. If you

1801
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: fumble the ball and it goes out of the end

1802
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 2: zone the other team gets it at the twenty, makes

1803
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 2: no sense whatsoever. But the Competition Committee, they're like, we

1804
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 2: only found three instances in the regular season and one

1805
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: instance in the postseason, so we don't need to modify this.

1806
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 2: And they also said, I love this film review revealed

1807
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: either poor technique or strong defensive execution, Like these fumbles

1808
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 2: going out of the end zone. Yeah, that's the description

1809
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: of every fumble. Ever. It's either the offense screwed it

1810
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: up or the defense made a good play forcing the fumble.

1811
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: It still makes no sense. If you fumble out of

1812
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 2: bounce at the one, you get it at the one,

1813
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: fumble out of bounds in the end zone, the other

1814
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: team gets it at the twenty. It's dumb, but it's

1815
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: gonna stay.

1816
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 5: I love I love the rule, and I'm gonna focus

1817
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 5: on one part because I know we got to move

1818
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 5: through this. But I love the rule because I really

1819
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 5: I enjoy the fact that the offense has something to lose, right,

1820
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, yeah, maybe if you get stop short

1821
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 5: of the goal line that that's punitive, but you still

1822
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 5: have the field goal that's extraordinarily high.

1823
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 4: High percentage from that range.

1824
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 5: You know, when when you actually can do something that

1825
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 5: loses possession and then gives the defense a boost on

1826
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 5: the other side, it's not like they're gathering the ball

1827
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 5: at the one yard line and then they're they're in

1828
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 5: the shadow of their own goalpost coming out offensively like

1829
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 5: extending the ball.

1830
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 4: At the goal line. It should be.

1831
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,879
Speaker 5: It's such a dramatic play right now in football because

1832
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 5: there's so much at risk for the offensive player there.

1833
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 5: Because if that ball is fumbled, then it does go

1834
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 5: out the end zone. Your opponent gets the ball coming

1835
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 5: out at their own twenty yard line, and that's an

1836
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 5: enormous advantage. So I love the drama that this rule

1837
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 5: brings to the game, and that's the reason why I'm

1838
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 5: in favor of it not changing.

1839
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 6: The only thing I want them to change is that

1840
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 6: it doesn't go to the twenty. It gets brought back

1841
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 6: to the fumbling spot, So if it gets fumbled at

1842
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 6: the two yard line, the defense will then get the

1843
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 6: ball at the two yard line, not the twenty. But

1844
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 6: I know that defies all touchback laws. But that's the

1845
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 6: only part of the rule that doesn't make sense to me.

1846
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 6: We discussed it before. I don't want to get too

1847
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 6: much into it, but I think this is one of

1848
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 6: those that, Sorry, Brian, you're gonna have to swallow it

1849
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 6: and deal with it.

1850
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 2: You want the ball, recover the ball, that's it. That's

1851
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 2: where I stand. Okay, how about this intentional grounding, so

1852
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 2: they might modify the rule where a quarterback in the

1853
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 2: pocket just has to throw the ball to the line

1854
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, doesn't have to throw it in the area

1855
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: of a receiver. I go nay on this, Like this

1856
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: is another thing that benefits the offense. Is it too

1857
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 2: much to ask if you don't see the corner blitzing

1858
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 2: and you're throwing it away and you're in the pocket,

1859
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: you should throw it to a receiver in the area.

1860
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 2: I think that should remain intentional grounding, and they're probably

1861
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 2: going to change that. They're looking to do that. I

1862
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 2: go nay on that rule change.

1863
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 4: I don't like it. Completely agree with you.

1864
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 5: This is anti football, Like this is like the whole

1865
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 5: purpose of football is to have a defense do things

1866
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 5: that affects the offense and force the offense to then

1867
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 5: come up with great ideas to defeat whatever it is

1868
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 5: strategically that's affecting them. If you're going to give the

1869
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 5: offense the ability at any point to just completely abandon

1870
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 5: abandon the play like it's like almost like giving them

1871
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 5: the ejector seat option where at any point, but without

1872
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 5: losing yardage on a sack, like without you know, having

1873
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 5: the quarterback be tackled in risk injury you know, or

1874
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 5: downed wherever it is he decides to throw the football

1875
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,759
Speaker 5: and not be penalized in any way if he doesn't

1876
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 5: even attempt to get the football to an open receiver.

1877
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you are giving.

1878
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: You don't even realize how much of a how much

1879
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: of a positive impact or an advantage.

1880
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 4: Excuse me, you're giving the offense.

1881
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 5: Because this is going to be this is going to

1882
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 5: be talked about the same way that offensive coordinators talk

1883
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 5: to their quarterbacks about taking good sacks. It's gonna be like, look,

1884
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 5: if it isn't open, especially young quarterbacks, throw it anywhere

1885
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 5: out of bounds at any point, like it doesn't matter,

1886
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 5: throw it at the ground.

1887
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 4: At the feet of the defense.

1888
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 5: Why it doesn't matter, like it is too much of

1889
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 5: an advantage to the offense.

1890
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 4: I hate this idea. Yeah, I'm with you, guys.

1891
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 3: And the reasoning for the rule being given was, you know.

1892
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 6: Change is because it just it's such a penalizing rule

1893
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 6: that it just it screws up the rhythm. Yeah, well,

1894
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 6: then don't get you know, don't have your offensive line,

1895
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 6: let the entire defensive line come through and leave your

1896
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 6: quarterback out to dry. We have completely tilted the rule

1897
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 6: book towards the offense now, Like this is to me,

1898
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 6: the quarterback who has to touch the ball every play,

1899
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 6: the most important player on the field, to give him

1900
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 6: more leeway than he already has where he could throw

1901
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 6: a back shoulder or underthrow a deep ball, and that

1902
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 6: is a more beneficial play making a bad throw because

1903
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 6: of the penalty rules. Now you're allowing him to make

1904
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 6: even worse throws and not get penalized on the intentional ground.

1905
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 6: It just we are skewing so much towards the offense here.

1906
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 6: You're right, we have lost sight of the true nature

1907
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 6: of what football is.

1908
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: Okay too in college, real fast two minute warning, just

1909
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: like the NFL, I go yay works in the NFL, Right,

1910
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that.

1911
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:47,719
Speaker 4: In college.

1912
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually do like the fact that at the

1913
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 5: end of the half, during the most important part of

1914
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 5: a game, arguably at the end of the first half,

1915
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:02,520
Speaker 5: because think about the momentum swing we see at halftime,

1916
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 5: a team that defended to start the game receiving on

1917
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 5: the second half, they score and then score again on

1918
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 5: the other side of the half, you know, bridging intermission

1919
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,919
Speaker 5: with fourteen points. I mean, outcomes of games are decided

1920
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 5: at halftime, sometimes with adjustments. Also, I love this, it

1921
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 5: gives It also gives players like it's almost like college

1922
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,839
Speaker 5: is supposed to be, you know, the analog for training

1923
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 5: for the on the job stuff that you're supposed to

1924
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 5: be doing as a professional. Well, the fact that so

1925
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 5: many of the college football rules are different than the

1926
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 5: pro rules don't make sense to me.

1927
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 4: So I'm in favor of this.

1928
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:40,799
Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent.

1929
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,440
Speaker 6: I think the two minute warning is a great snapshot

1930
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 6: of what the right the middle eight we talk about

1931
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 6: so much the last four minutes of the first half.

1932
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 3: For the first four minutes of the second.

1933
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 6: Half, I think the two minute warning is a great

1934
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 6: way to frame that. And it's not this is not

1935
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 6: like a big rule like this is not a big change.

1936
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 6: I think this is just kind of the operation getting

1937
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 6: close to the NFL. No pushback for me here.

1938
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 2: And last one maybe no more signs stealing. So the

1939
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 2: NCAA Rules Committee they're proposing coach to player helmet communication

1940
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty four season, where you wouldn't have

1941
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Michigan and stealing signs from the eighth row in the

1942
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 2: stands or the Bobby Valentine costume like disguise on the

1943
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,799
Speaker 2: sideline of a central Michigan gamer. You know what, Yeah,

1944
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Instead of ruining the playoff format

1945
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 2: and all the focus being on that, let's get some

1946
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: modern technology going on and some player to like coach

1947
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,440
Speaker 2: to player helmet communication.

1948
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 4: Totally in favor of this, let's do it.

1949
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Long overdue, Yeah, long overdue.

1950
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: I don't know why this wasn't done.

1951
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 5: Again, We're talking about another billion dollar industry. This should

1952
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 5: have been consistent throughout all college football for years and

1953
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 5: years and years now. It's bizarre. It should have been happy,

1954
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 5: and I'm glad it is. I'm glad it's being discussed.

1955
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 6: If the goal is to get these kids ready for

1956
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 6: the pros. A lot of the rule changes need to

1957
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:13,480
Speaker 6: be manufactured to get these guys prepared, especially the quarterbacks.

1958
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 6: I would imagine that is an unsettling thing. And it

1959
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 6: reminds me of when I first started doing TV and

1960
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 6: I put an IFB in my ear and the producers

1961
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 6: trying to talk to me while I'm doing a show.

1962
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 6: It was unsettling, and then you get used to it, right,

1963
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 6: So like it lessens the learning curve for a lot

1964
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 6: of these quarterbacks to let them do it in college.

1965
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 4: Deal. There you go.

1966
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 2: There, it's Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst IFB pro Right.

1967
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 3: It took a while. All of a sudden, I'm like

1968
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,560
Speaker 3: freaking ul like, what are you talking about?

1969
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 4: Why are you talking to me?

1970
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk. Yeah, it is.

1971
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 4: It's weird.

1972
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 2: We got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American. I'm Brian

1973
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 2: no coming up next, a team that is taking the

1974
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: low road.

1975
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 4: That's on the way.

1976
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1977
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday. Here on Fox Sports Radio

1978
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 2: special shout out. We want to welcome a new affiliate,

1979
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: the new one oh six one the Ticket in New Orleans.

1980
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 2: That's right, station's run by Cumulus Media market manager Pat Galloway.

1981
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 2: Shout out to him. Also program director at Jason Guinty,

1982
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: and it's a huge win for them. So welcome to

1983
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 2: the family here, the new one oh six one, the

1984
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 2: ticket in New Orleans, part of the FSR family. That

1985
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 2: is awesome stuff right there, New Orleans next year, right, yeah,

1986
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: a big game. Yeah, we get the Super Bowl over

1987
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 2: there in New Orleans. So I think they're gonna roll

1988
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 2: out the red carpet for us, are they not?

1989
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 4: I agree? Yeah, one six one.

1990
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: We're staying at the station, you know, and then we're

1991
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 2: going to the big game.

1992
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 4: Sleeping bags.

1993
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, slept on the floor of television stations before.

1994
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 4: It's not a pleasant sight.

1995
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. I've done the same thing in radio

1996
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 2: studios as well.

1997
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 3: It's not bad.

1998
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1999
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: I got a very brief story for you. So Steve Gorman,

2000
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 2: he used to host a show here on Fox Sports.

2001
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 2: He's the drummer of the Black Crows, and so I

2002
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 2: had this weird shift. I was living in Nashville at

2003
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: the time, so Steve would do his weekday show from

2004
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: the same studio, and he had this dog, and he

2005
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 2: had this plush like dog carpet for the for the

2006
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: for the Little Guy, and I had a Saturday night

2007
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 2: shift and a Sunday morning shift, and I'm like, instead

2008
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 2: of driving all the way back to my place just

2009
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 2: to turn around in the morning and drive all the

2010
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 2: way back to where I am right now, I'm just

2011
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: gonna sleep in the studio. And so I'd bring some

2012
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 2: pillows and a blanket and I would sleep on this

2013
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 2: dog's like plush matt or whatever. So anyway, I go

2014
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: in to do a fill in show with Steve and

2015
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 2: I walk in and Steve's all frantic and he's like, Uh,

2016
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 2: this dog just went to the bathroom all over the

2017
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: place on this like little dog bed. And I'm looking

2018
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 2: at the dog, like, that's my bed too, man, what

2019
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 2: are you doing it? But I'm sure he spelled me

2020
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 2: all over and he's like, this is mine market his territory.

2021
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 4: Kind of funny there.

2022
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 2: Okay, we get to the Patriots here real fast.

2023
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 4: J C.

2024
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 2: Jackson the cornerback. He's been released. That frees up even

2025
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 2: more money. The Patriots have over one hundred and one

2026
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space, so I don't know if

2027
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be a destination, but it's a new

2028
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 2: regime with Gerrod Mayo, and that is a ton of

2029
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 2: money to throw around. Be interesting to see what they

2030
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 2: do in free agency here.

2031
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 5: Well, what was what was interesting about the last time

2032
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 5: the Patriots had a tremendous amount of cap room was

2033
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 5: it was completely misused. If you remember, it was shortly

2034
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 5: after Brady left in free agency and sign with the Buccaneers.

2035
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 5: It was an off season where Belichick had a good

2036
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 5: amount of money to throw around. They signed I want

2037
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 5: to say it was John news Smith, maybe Hunter Henry

2038
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 5: acquired during that rush. There were a couple of defenders,

2039
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 5: and it's did not the outcomes did not reflect the spending.

2040
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 5: And so, like you said, Brian, it's a different regime,

2041
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 5: it's a different time, it's Gerrod Meo, It's it's going

2042
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 5: to be handled I would assume completely differently. But just

2043
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 5: because you have cap space and and with the with

2044
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 5: the ability to compare to just a few years ago

2045
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 5: with the same franchise, doesn't necessarily mean that you're gonna

2046
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 5: make all of the best decisions, uh for your franchise.

2047
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 5: And and it'll it'll it'll end up becoming something because

2048
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 5: they still need a quarterback. I don't know if the

2049
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 5: cap space helps them acquire a new quarterback, maybe trade

2050
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 5: or potentially signing a Kirk Cousins or something like that,

2051
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,679
Speaker 5: they still need a quarterback. I don't think Mac Jones

2052
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 5: is the guy, and and obviously we need to see

2053
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 5: what happens with some of these offensive skill position players

2054
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 5: who largely have been underwhelming over the course of the past.

2055
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 4: Two years for the Patriots.

2056
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 6: So you weren't excited about Mac Jones's no look passing

2057
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 6: highlights we were showing yesterday.

2058
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 3: He's working on the no look passes.

2059
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 6: Now, I was like, maybe you should focus on the

2060
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 6: ones where he's actually looking at the right thing. I

2061
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 6: saw that practice footage making the rounds yesterday on social media. Yeah,

2062
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 6: the spending spree in twenty one rich when they dropped

2063
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 6: one hundred mil on tight ends in a forty eight

2064
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 6: hour span, Like that's like winning the lottery and then

2065
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 6: going and buying two Honda Civics like it just that

2066
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 6: was like a very unique way to spend all that

2067
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 6: money that they had, and it obviously didn't work out

2068
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 6: because you know, unless you're Tony Gonzalez or you know,

2069
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 6: Rob Gronkowski or Travis Kelcey. I just don't think tight

2070
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 6: Ends moved the needle a whole lot in today's NFL

2071
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 6: or I guess maybe make a Sam Laporta, you throw

2072
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 6: him into the mix as well, or Kittle, but there's

2073
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 6: just there's not a lot of those guys out there,

2074
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 6: and giving one hundred million to tight Ends is that's

2075
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 6: not the way.

2076
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 4: We'll see how they spend it this time around.

2077
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 6: I think I'm more intrigued with the third overall pick

2078
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 6: because I think that's kind of like the action pick

2079
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 6: in the draft. Right we think the top two quarterbacks

2080
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 6: are gonna go one.

2081
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 4: Two.

2082
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 6: We think it's going to be Kayleb Williams and Drake May.

2083
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 6: We think the Patriots need a quarterback, but we don't

2084
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 6: know if they're willing to maybe reach for the Daniels

2085
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 6: at three.

2086
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how it's gonna shake out. I

2087
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 3: don't know if that's going.

2088
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 4: To be the order.

2089
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 6: But that third pick, because of the first two picks

2090
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 6: likely being quarterbacks and the gap between the two and

2091
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 6: three quarterback in this draft, I think that's a very

2092
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 6: intriguing draft pick. Maybe they trade it, maybe they draft

2093
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 6: a receiver, maybe they go in a completely different direction.

2094
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 6: But obviously the free agent spending is they're gonna buy somebody.

2095
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 6: I don't know what they need a lot, but the

2096
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 6: third pick to me is really kind of where the

2097
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 6: draft starts, and I'm very intrigued to see what New

2098
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 6: England does there.

2099
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 2: I like this offseason just because of the regime change,

2100
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 2: where we're so conditioned two decades plus with Belichick there

2101
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 2: where we're like third pick overall all these holes of

2102
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 2: they're definitely trading down, but with right, with Garrod Mayo

2103
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 2: and a new regime in there, You're like, wow, I

2104
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,520
Speaker 2: don't know, they could go in a lot of different directions.

2105
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,600
Speaker 2: So it's intriguing. We're spending our free agency money on

2106
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 2: Isaac lowen Kron and we never regret it.

2107
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 10: I low with the latest all right, fellas a busy day,

2108
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 10: including in the National Football League, where this morning ESP

2109
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 10: had reported that the San Francisco forty nine ers are

2110
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 10: promoting defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorensen to be their

2111
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 10: new defensive coordinator and are also hiring former Los Angeles

2112
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 10: Chargers head coach Brandon Staley as assistant head coach in

2113
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 10: Major League Baseball, The New York Post reports that infielder

2114
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 10: Matt Chapman's agreed to a three year, fifty four million

2115
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 10: dollar deal with the San Francisco Giants. In the NBA

2116
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 10: Friday Night, Toronto, Scottie Barnes broke his left hand and

2117
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 10: a lost to Golden State and will be out indefinitely.

2118
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 10: Los Angeles Clippers guard Russell Westbrook broke his left hand

2119
01:45:55,680 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 10: and Friday's win over Washington and will also be out indefinitely. Finally,

2120
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 10: in college football, twenty twelve, Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manzel

2121
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 10: announced this morning that he will boycott the annual Heisman

2122
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 10: ceremony until two thousand and five winner Reggie Bush gets

2123
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 10: his trophy back. Manzell posting and I quote doesn't sit

2124
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 10: right with my morals and values that he can't be

2125
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 10: on that stage with us every year. Reggie is the

2126
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 10: Heisman Trophy, do the right thing. NCAA. The ball is

2127
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 10: in your court. Morals and values are something that every

2128
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 10: single Aggie is ingrained with from the second that you

2129
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 10: step on campus.

2130
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 2: I chose not to accept.

2131
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,759
Speaker 10: That fact until recently, but moving forward, I will hold

2132
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 10: myself to a higher standard unquote. And in one other

2133
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 10: Johnny Manzel update, he would go on to tweet after

2134
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 10: much feedback from people on social media and I quote

2135
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:02,759
Speaker 10: again another lil tidbid, You're not truly considered an NFL

2136
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,440
Speaker 10: bust until you officially retire.

2137
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 2: Do that, Do with that as you wish?

2138
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 10: Unquote all right, guys, do with that as you wish.

2139
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh boy, appreciated Ilo. It's Fox Sports Saturday, right here

2140
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. I did mention a team taking

2141
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 2: the low road. I think it's the Patriots here. There's

2142
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 2: so much talk about Belichick. But this happened earlier in

2143
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 2: the week at the combine. Elliott Wolf he is an

2144
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 2: executive for the Patriots, where he's the director of scouting,

2145
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 2: and he said that there's gonna be less of a

2146
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 2: hard ass vibe with Bill Belichick gone, and I tweeted out,

2147
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 2: I think there's more of a dumbass vibe.

2148
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 4: Now.

2149
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, why, what's the point He won six titles? Yes,

2150
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 2: obviously Belichick is rigid, and that you just stating the obvious.

2151
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 2: But it just looks petty and unnecessary. Why don't you

2152
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 2: just take the high road and say whatever you want

2153
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 2: to say, but don't rain on the parade of Belichick

2154
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 2: and the other thing is the guy got passed over

2155
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 2: in the head coaching cycle. He was looking for a

2156
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 2: job and didn't get one.

2157
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 4: So I think it's even.

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Speaker 2: More damaging to be like, oh yeah, it's so much

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01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: more upbeat over here. It's like, bro, just take the

2160
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 2: high road and don't talk trash about a guy who's

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01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 2: arguably the goat.

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01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 4: I just don't think there's any value in doing that.

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01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 5: Completely agree. And also, this is one of those traps

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01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 5: that a lot of people fall into at the start

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01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 5: of or really, let's put it this way, when you

2166
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 5: were on an emotional high, you potentially will say something

2167
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 5: that you won't later feel the same way about, right,

2168
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 5: Or when you're on an emotional low, there's potential you'll

2169
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 5: say something you'll regret in the future.

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Speaker 4: This is an emotional high.

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01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 5: All of the people who are still with the Patriots

2172
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 5: who were there during the Belichick era and are now

2173
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 5: probably enjoying the girod Mao era because look, new boss

2174
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,719
Speaker 5: not the same as the old boss in this case,

2175
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 5: like Girrod was built up and brought into the Belichick system,

2176
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 5: but I'm sure he's doing things very differently. It sounds

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01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 5: like he is, and there's a lot of people who

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01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 5: probably feel relieved by that, but you have no idea

2179
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 5: how this is going to go.

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01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 4: So you make a comment like this.

2181
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 5: And then say the Patriots struggle this season, and then

2182
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, this comment's revisited and they say, yeah,

2183
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 5: well you said blah blah blah about Belichick. Maybe there

2184
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 5: needs to be a little bit more of a hard

2185
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 5: ass vibe.

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01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:43,799
Speaker 4: Over here in New England.

2187
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 5: And then you're wrung up for things that you say

2188
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 5: when you're on an emotional high.

2189
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 4: The same way like when you're on an.

2190
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 5: Emotional low, you can you can have a quote that

2191
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 5: gets written and then it's referred to im posterity if

2192
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 5: you're not careful.

2193
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 4: So, yeah, this, I agree.

2194
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 5: It's petty, it's foolish, it's getting trapped in a moment,

2195
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 5: and it really may end up getting thrown back in

2196
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 5: the Patriots face at some point.

2197
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 3: It was very predictable.

2198
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 6: And here's why Elliott Wolfe was kind of the understudy

2199
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 6: to Bill Belichick. He was, you know, scouting director, consultant,

2200
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. My guess is he probably came to

2201
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 6: Bill and all the scouts with all these players and

2202
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 6: things that he liked and Bill just poo pooed him

2203
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 6: for years and now he gets to have to say

2204
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 6: and a lot of time. He's forty one years old,

2205
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 6: so in terms of executive level stuff with the NFL,

2206
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 6: he's pretty young, and this is his first like big

2207
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 6: time GM gig. So I just I think there's a

2208
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 6: little bit of sour grapes here.

2209
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 3: And I don't know why.

2210
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 6: It's not like Bill left like angry, like he just

2211
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 6: both sides kind of just went their separate ways. And

2212
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 6: for Elliott to say that at the end of the

2213
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 6: tenure is I agree, Brian, It's it's very it's very

2214
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 6: low class.

2215
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:57,719
Speaker 3: It's a low brow move.

2216
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 6: When you're still at the organization and the other person

2217
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 6: is looking for a new job to disparage them. I've

2218
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,679
Speaker 6: seen this in the television media industry all the time

2219
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 6: with people former colleagues of mine, former colleagues of friends,

2220
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 6: and they get fired or they get let go, and

2221
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, I hear all this stuff

2222
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 6: negative about them.

2223
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, where was that while they were working there?

2224
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 6: And it's it's weird and it's petty. And I credit

2225
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 6: Drod Mayo for walking it back earlier this week and

2226
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,719
Speaker 6: I think that's where you see the kind of line

2227
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 6: the chain of command start to get ironed out a

2228
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 6: little bit.

2229
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was to Rod Mayo, like you said, Jared

2230
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 2: walking back the cup. As of Elliott.

2231
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 4: Wolf it's going to be different.

2232
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 13: But at the same time, I would say Bill did

2233
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 13: a great job for a long period of time. I

2234
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 13: don't want you guys to take this as because we're

2235
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 13: changing at shots toward the previous regime and saying that

2236
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 13: we will do it differently and it'll feel different, but

2237
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 13: at the end of the day, we would like to

2238
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 13: replicate the success that the prior regime has had. And

2239
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 13: so I learned a lot from Bill and also his staff.

2240
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 13: But now we'll see what this chapter looks like in

2241
01:51:58,520 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 13: the franchise.

2242
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 2: I think that's well said, and I also think this, Yeah,

2243
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 2: how about this Nick Cassario. So he was with the

2244
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 2: Patriots organization for a long time and now he's with

2245
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans. And listen to what he said about

2246
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick greatly differs from what Elliott Wolfe said with

2247
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 2: less of a hard ass vibe around here. Here's Nick

2248
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 2: Casario on belichick coast.

2249
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 8: Belichick is the best coast in the history of finally

2250
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 8: football sport. In my opinion, he's a big reason that

2251
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 8: I'm where I am today, So a lot of respect

2252
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 8: and appreciation admiration for him. Certainly wish to have nothing

2253
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 8: about the best. I'm appreciative of my twenty years, twenty

2254
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 8: seasons that I had in New England. But the game's

2255
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 8: better when people like Bill are around.

2256
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 2: Like, I'm sure there are times where Nick Cassario when

2257
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 2: he's with the Patriots got overruled or he's hot on

2258
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,839
Speaker 2: a player in Belichick's Like, yeah.

2259
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 3: No, Elliott Wolf and Bill did not get along time

2260
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:52,760
Speaker 3: the same.

2261
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 2: I agree with you, but it's like, there's just no

2262
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:56,960
Speaker 2: value in airing that publicly.

2263
01:52:58,120 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 4: I know there really is.

2264
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 5: Even if it was a situation where behind the scenes,

2265
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 5: and again this is getting into like major speculation and

2266
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 5: I'm not going to even speculate here, but even if

2267
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 5: this was a situation where, like say, Elliott Wolf has

2268
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 5: a real acts to grind, like you know, maybe Bill

2269
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,719
Speaker 5: try to get him fired at different times during his career.

2270
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 5: Maybe it was even improperly, Like you know, I even then,

2271
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 5: you know, because you're not just representing yourself as an executive,

2272
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 5: you're representing obviously the entire franchise. Whenever you put your

2273
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 5: name on something that you say, you're putting the Patriots

2274
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 5: name on it as well. And so that's the reason

2275
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 5: why Gerrod Mayo had to do a little damage control

2276
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 5: there because that was not a good quote to have

2277
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 5: floating around out there. And also, Bill Belichick, I'm sure

2278
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 5: has made some enemies, but he's made a lot more

2279
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:51,759
Speaker 5: friends in this league.

2280
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,360
Speaker 4: And so if you're ever searching for a.

2281
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 5: Job, Elliott, it's gonna be a little bit tougher if

2282
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:02,679
Speaker 5: you're the guy who's despaired Bill Belichick publicly. So it's

2283
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,600
Speaker 5: just one of those things where it's a no go

2284
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 5: area for me in life in general. And I think

2285
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 5: from a standpoint of, like you said, Jared, a young executive,

2286
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 5: somebody's getting their first bite at the apple. These are

2287
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 5: the mistakes that hopefully you don't live to regret in

2288
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 5: a big way and hopefully you learn from because not

2289
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 5: everybody can be like open and authentic and say what's

2290
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 5: on their mind, like Less Snead the rockstar GM or

2291
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel, the head coach who's just sort of i mean,

2292
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 5: fancy free, Like you know, sometimes sometimes you just got

2293
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 5: to kind of hem it in and be a little

2294
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 5: bit more professional.

2295
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2296
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,919
Speaker 6: I use the term asymmetric risk a lot in gambling,

2297
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 6: where I'm willing to let a line move because it

2298
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 6: doesn't matter if it moves. For example, if a numbers

2299
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 6: at two and a half, I'm okay with waiting to

2300
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 6: see if it goes to three, because if it goes

2301
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 6: to two the other way, it doesn't change.

2302
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 3: The value for me in that game, in that bet.

2303
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 6: But in this situation it could go the other way

2304
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 6: and really hurt the Patriots. So like the risk reward

2305
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 6: profile of him saying this makes zero sense.

2306
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. What was the phrase.

2307
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 3: Eight symmetric risk? It's I use it all the time.

2308
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 6: It's a little in the weeds, but it's very helpful

2309
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 6: to me when I'm justing.

2310
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 2: I think it's good. It makes you sound like you

2311
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 2: you're on top of what you're doing.

2312
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I might just mind around today.

2313
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start to do it.

2314
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 4: You absolutely do it. Just Yeah, it sounds saying that

2315
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 4: about like house chores, like.

2316
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 6: You, I could take the trash out now, honey, but

2317
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 6: what if we have more trash later and I need

2318
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 6: to take that out too.

2319
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 4: I might as well wait, it's just gonna wait, I'm

2320
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 4: gonna hold off. Yep.

2321
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 2: We got Rich Hornberger, Penn State, All American. I'm Brian No.

2322
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Coming up next, Rapid Fire. Everybody across the board. Two

2323
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 2: and one, winning start in the non football pick portion

2324
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 2: of our Rapid Fire selections here, so we'll see if

2325
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 2: we can keep that going. Some picks for you coming

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 2: up next. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on

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Speaker 2: to the crew, Bo Benson, Trusted producer, Chris Purfet, Technical

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Speaker 2: producer Isaac Low and Cron Crushing the updates, Crushing Life,

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Speaker 2: Top of the Hour, Up on Game, LaVar Arrington, Flaxico

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Speaker 2: Burris with you all right, we got picks to make

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01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 2: let's get to it.

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01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 4: Rapid fire.

2341
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Jared, We'll start with you. What are you thinking today?

2342
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:55,600
Speaker 6: Colline oops all three underdogs, two on the road, one

2343
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 6: at home. Let's start with the road dogs. I am

2344
01:56:57,920 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 6: gonna take the Lobos tonight. I'm gonna take three and

2345
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 6: a half points with New Mexico. They are at Boise State,

2346
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 6: and if you recall last Saturday, New Mexico lost to

2347
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 6: Air Force yot the worst, arguably one of the worst

2348
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 6: teams in college basketball, is definitely the worst team in

2349
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 6: the Mountain West. Well, they've had a whole week off

2350
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 6: to sit and stew over that, and this is a

2351
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 6: revenge game. Boise went into the pit about a month

2352
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 6: ago and they knocked off the Lobos.

2353
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 3: New Mexico still on the bubble.

2354
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 6: They need to win, so I will take the three

2355
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 6: and a half points with the Lobos. I'll take two

2356
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 6: and a half with Gonzaga. So Saint Mary's just clinched

2357
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 6: the top seed in the West Coast Conference. This is

2358
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 6: also a revenge game for the Zags. They lost by

2359
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 6: a bucket at home to this Saint Mary's team about

2360
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 6: a month ago. The Zags still on the bubble, they

2361
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 6: will be safely in with a win if they can

2362
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 6: knock off the gals on the road.

2363
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 3: And finally, oh, I love this play so much.

2364
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 6: We're taking three and a half points with Colgate. Excuse

2365
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 6: me with Lehigh today against Colegate.

2366
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 3: Guy, No, we're fading.

2367
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 1: No.

2368
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 6: Well, they've already clinched the top seed in the Patriot League.

2369
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 6: They have nothing to play for. This is the last

2370
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:56,920
Speaker 6: game of the regular season.

2371
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 3: We'll take three and a half of gold.

2372
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I love those.

2373
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a favorite, a dog, and then the King.

2374
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 5: I'll explain. So first I steal off the plate. I'm

2375
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 5: stealing from the parlay platter. Creighton seven and a half

2376
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 5: at bet MGM. I really like that play, Jared. I'm

2377
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 5: gonna take it as one of my rapid fire against Marquette.

2378
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 4: This injury situation for Creighton.

2379
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 5: Check on Kolik before you go to the window. But

2380
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 5: I like this one. Okay, moving on to Mount West Hoops.

2381
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a dog here. So San Jose State

2382
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 5: goes on the road to UNLV to face the run

2383
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 5: in REVS.

2384
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 4: Here's the deal.

2385
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 5: San Jose State has lost four games in a row,

2386
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 5: eleven of their last twelve, but they're scoring with everyone,

2387
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 5: and they actually kept pace with the Aztecs in their

2388
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 5: last game on the road in San Diego. So I

2389
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 5: like them to keep it close with the Rebels, especially

2390
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 5: looking forward to playing San Diego State on Tuesday this

2391
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 5: week at home, so this could be a letdown spot.

2392
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 4: I like San Jose State the Spartans plus.

2393
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 5: Fourteen and a half at and then I'm gonna take

2394
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 5: Lebron James in a Western Conference Final rematch.

2395
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 4: His point total is.

2396
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 5: At twenty five and a half. I'm taking the over there.

2397
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 5: Lebron shows up when the lights are on. The lights

2398
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 5: are focused on the Lakers right now, I like the

2399
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:15,880
Speaker 5: King to go over.

2400
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so I'll start with that same game. Rich,

2401
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Austin Reeves. Give me under fourteen and

2402
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 2: a half, okay against the Nuggets tonight. They're front line,

2403
01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 2: they're tough.

2404
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 4: Man.

2405
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 2: When you've got Aaron Gordon, you can throw Michael Porter Junior.

2406
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 2: I say, Austin Reeves goes under, give me, I'm gonna

2407
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 2: double down. Let's go to college hoops. Zakai Ziegler, he's

2408
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 2: going over six and a half assists against Bamba today.

2409
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:43,360
Speaker 4: You with me on that, Jared, Yeah, I like.

2410
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 3: Props against Bama.

2411
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 1: I do.

2412
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Props against Bama sometimes a good way to go.

2413
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to also give me a dog on the road.

2414
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Florida plus two and a half.

2415
01:59:55,760 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 2: They're at South Carolina. Florida's offense is really, really good,

2416
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 2: and when I can get points on the road, I'll

2417
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 2: take them. So give me the Gators today as well.

2418
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 6: With me, I'm betting Lee High plus. I butchered that

2419
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,800
Speaker 6: last cold Gate. I'm betting Lee High plus three and

2420
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:14,000
Speaker 6: a half at Colgate today. I'm not betting on Colgate.

2421
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 6: We're fading Colgate. Lee High is everything to play for.

2422
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 6: Colgate has nothing to play for.

2423
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, man, let's not make that a drop of I'm

2424
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 2: not betting on Colgate, you know what I mean.