Speaker 1: Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for the first three episodes
Speaker 1: of the Disney Plus series Willow, plus the original nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight film of the same name. Hello, my name
Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcion and welcome to x Revision The Crooked podcast,
Speaker 1: where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,
Speaker 1: and pop culture. In this episode, in the previously on,
Speaker 1: we will be discussing the trailer for Indiana Jones and
Speaker 1: the Dial of Destiny. Folks, I'm sure Rosie and I
Speaker 1: will have a lot of thoughts about this trailer. Then
Speaker 1: we will be discussing the latest trailer for the HBO
Speaker 1: Max series The Last of Us, And in the airlock
Speaker 1: we'll be discussing the Disney Plus series Willow, which of
Speaker 1: course is a sequel to the nineteen eighty eight George
Speaker 1: Lucas production of Willow, a movie that holds a special
Speaker 1: place in the heart of my co host. She's the
Speaker 1: number one comics historian, the number one Willow lover, the
Speaker 1: number one Eternal's lover. That's right, folks, It's the great,
Speaker 1: the powerful Rosie Marks.
Speaker 2: Rosie. Hey, I feel so happy to be somebody who
Speaker 2: just loves so many things that's true. I am the number.
Speaker 2: I love Willow so much. I'm really excited to talk
Speaker 2: about that show. We're actually talking about lots of things
Speaker 2: that I love this week, as we do every week.
Speaker 2: I guess how you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I gotta say I'm enjoying the Willow Show.
Speaker 1: I think the tone is really unique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like anything else. It's very unexpected at
Speaker 2: like dropping in December as well. Yeah, you're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like okay, this show exists and it's totally
Speaker 2: different from anything else that's going on.
Speaker 1: Well, the sense you get quite strongly is that Disney
Speaker 1: is like, we have very low expectations for what anybody's
Speaker 1: reaction to this, So, you know, gravy as far as
Speaker 1: they're concerned. I'm sure. I did have one thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to raise because it was a I had a
Speaker 1: conversation recently with some friends that were that were in London,
Speaker 1: and uh, we were talking about slang English slang, and
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to because I am I
Speaker 1: have eternally been mystified by Geezer, which I think if
Speaker 1: you heard in American English, you'd hear geezer. That Geezer
Speaker 1: and you'd think that old man.
Speaker 2: That's definitely how it is in American note in England,
Speaker 2: the geezers like a guy and he's in the pub
Speaker 2: and he's watching the football and he's drinking a pint
Speaker 2: of beer and he's just like a geezer. He's like
Speaker 2: out on the town causing some problems, Like he's a gezer.
Speaker 2: But it is also just a gender term for somebody
Speaker 2: who's a guy. It's kind of that weird space like
Speaker 2: that it has connotations around like football and like lad
Speaker 2: culture and drinking, but it is you can also just
Speaker 2: be like a gezer.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like any like adult slash middle aged
Speaker 1: guy who acts like a lad.
Speaker 2: I would say, no, no, no. So it's like it's
Speaker 2: one of those really weird things that I find, Like
Speaker 2: you find this a lot in English language in general,
Speaker 2: but also like this is one of my favorite topics.
Speaker 2: I will literally explain any English, especially London specifics like no,
Speaker 2: the thing that's really interesting is like somebody can be
Speaker 2: having a conversation and use the term gezer like you
Speaker 2: would use mate. Like you can be like at the
Speaker 2: pub and be like you're right gezer, Like it's just
Speaker 2: like a way that you're just speaking to someone, but
Speaker 2: it also means like if you think about the word gezer,
Speaker 2: it definitely I feel like one of the reasons it's
Speaker 2: probably came up is to do with like the World Cup.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like a football culture word as well.
Speaker 2: So the idea of a geezer as somebody who like
Speaker 2: goes to the pub, drinks a pine, like might be
Speaker 2: getting a bit rowdy, like acting up, but it's definitely
Speaker 2: not I would say, like adult can be from you
Speaker 2: can be a gezer and be like eighteen to like seventy,
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, however old, like I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's a term of age specific, it's a
Speaker 1: term of endearment also, right, Like it's not a negative
Speaker 1: and you can describe to me as not a negative.
Speaker 2: County if you're using it, I would say it's one
Speaker 2: of those interesting things where in the communities where you
Speaker 2: would use it, it's not negative. But outside of it, like
Speaker 2: if you were posh, you could look down on like
Speaker 2: a geezer, like somebody acting like a gezer or whatever.
Speaker 2: But like in the community, if you're in the pub,
Speaker 2: that's not that's not negative.
Speaker 1: That's just about geeze like if I'm friends with someone
Speaker 1: and I refer to them as my gee as.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've called yeah, I know you could.
Speaker 2: I would say the easiest universe us or word to
Speaker 2: in that sense would be like mate. So if you're like,
Speaker 2: oh mate or a geez that's normal. Anyone can do that.
Speaker 2: You can do it almost like and in that way,
Speaker 2: it's kind of one of those interesting ones like guy,
Speaker 2: we're in the UK. That can also almost when you
Speaker 2: use it in that phrase, become genderless. You're just like
Speaker 2: a geez a mate. So yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 2: good one. Oh Jason, bring more of these to me.
Speaker 2: I love to explain slash. I miss it.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like bloke.
Speaker 2: Then bloke is a more interesting thing because I don't
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be like a my bloke, you know. Bloke
Speaker 2: is more like that is a bloke that is like
Speaker 2: a descriptive word about a man somebody can behave in
Speaker 2: a blow key way though, so which is like again
Speaker 2: is that kind of matcho specific vibe? But also bloke
Speaker 2: is just literally a synonym for man. So England's annoying
Speaker 2: like that, like not just in slang, but also in
Speaker 2: all English language words. Every word has like five meanings.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that catch up Rosie special. Thanks
Speaker 1: to everyone who came out to our La Comic Con panel.
Speaker 1: That was so great to meet you. It was so
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. It was so much fun
Speaker 1: to be there. That is just an environment where Rosie
Speaker 1: and I feel very, very nash at home. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to hear that episode in a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: where we'll cover the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special
Speaker 1: plus the recent Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three trailer,
Speaker 1: plus have a discussion with some good friends about the
Speaker 1: state of the MCU up next. Previously on First and
Speaker 1: previously on Folks. He's back. I know Harrison Ford is
Speaker 1: eighty's the days as like seven planes over the last
Speaker 1: ten years. But if you've been wondering where is Harrison
Speaker 1: Ford on my big screen ever since his run in
Speaker 1: the final Star Wars trilogy, I need more Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: When will he come back? When will he bring Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones back to the screen. The answer is June thirtieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, with the fifth installment of the Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones franchise. Indiana Jones in the Dial of Destiny, directed
Speaker 1: by James man Goold, you might remember from Logan and
Speaker 1: the equally excellent Three Tender Yuma. This movie is star
Speaker 1: sing Harrison Ford, of course, Phoebe waller Bridge and Tonio
Speaker 1: banderis uh and my immediate takeaway from this trailers when
Speaker 1: it looks fun yes and two they just took Harrison
Speaker 1: Ford's head and digitally put it on like some guy's body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for many of the many of not all of the scenes.
Speaker 2: So my understanding is that what they The thing that
Speaker 2: excited me the most about this trailer was I didn't
Speaker 2: know John rees Davis was going to be in it,
Speaker 2: love it, but they had John rees Davis's voice, and
Speaker 2: he's one of my favorite Indiana Jones like ensemble characters,
Speaker 2: so I was I was good. I was happy about that.
Speaker 2: But my understanding is there is a large part of
Speaker 2: the movie, the opening. Don't quote me on that, but
Speaker 2: that I believe what I've read that is set earlier
Speaker 2: on where they decided to digitally d Harrison Ford, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I just don't understand because casting a
Speaker 2: younger Indiana Jones led us to one of the best
Speaker 2: ever Indiana Jones casting of all Fimes River Phoenix as
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones. This is wonderful in the opening sequence is
Speaker 2: so good, and to me, I think this is a
Speaker 2: missed opportunity to just have like some cool younger guy
Speaker 2: playing Indiana Jones. Don't know why they love to d
Speaker 2: age people, but I believe that the opening sequence will
Speaker 2: be younger Indiana Jones, like ten years before the movie's
Speaker 2: meant to be set, and then we'll be in to
Speaker 2: old Indiana Jones. So basically it's Irish man Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1: Here is the synopsis. In nineteen sixty nine American Archaeologists
Speaker 1: and adventure Indiana Jones lives against the backdrop of the
Speaker 1: Space Race. Jones is uneasy over the fact that the
Speaker 1: US government has recruited former Nazi Is to help beat
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union in the competition to make It to
Speaker 1: Space aka the Real Life Project.
Speaker 2: Say, that's actually incredibly true to one of the American
Speaker 2: history that everybody.
Speaker 1: States, absolutely did.
Speaker 2: Jones standing up against that rible choice.
Speaker 1: Vernon Brahm, the architect of the American rocketry program, was
Speaker 1: famously one of the pioneers of the V two rocket
Speaker 1: system that the Nazis used to bombard London and other
Speaker 1: targets in the British Isles during during that conflict known
Speaker 1: as World War Two. Uh So that is the premise
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones in the in the Swing and sixties. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I will say again, it's the only thing
Speaker 1: that is that throws me. And it's specifically the horse scene.
Speaker 1: I was talking about this Chris. It's just like they
Speaker 1: just took his head and they put it on a
Speaker 1: different Dude's body looks literally it's unsettling.
Speaker 2: It's unsettling, and he is it looks like in that scene,
Speaker 2: which is some kind of parade scene about the space race,
Speaker 2: I think he's being chased down by Boyd Holbrook, who's
Speaker 2: the Australian actor who plays the Reaver, who played the
Speaker 2: lead reaver in Logan. So there's a nice little little
Speaker 2: Logan casting easter egg there. But yeah, I'm not a
Speaker 2: big fan of the d ag will be interesting. I
Speaker 2: guess Phoebe waller Bridge plays his god daughter, so there's
Speaker 2: not going to be like a muth esque secret Child.
Speaker 1: Fingers cross redcon the recon shil above.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you'll have a you know, he'll have a
Speaker 2: Simpsons esque Oh no, Mark had to go back to
Speaker 2: his own planet and he's up in the sky, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mads Michaelson playing a Nazi. I mean, I always want
Speaker 2: to see Indiana Jones beating up Nazis. It's what he
Speaker 2: does best. It's what he's he's the best at, and
Speaker 2: I think we need as many movies about people beating
Speaker 2: up Nazis as possible. I love Harrison Fordham, glad he's
Speaker 2: getting that money. I'm excited to see him being cranky
Speaker 2: on the inevitable cranky press tour as he deserves to be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, what are they dialing? I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: what I need to know. What's the dial of destiny?
Speaker 2: Who's getting dialed?
Speaker 1: My Indiana Jones do just as you mentioned, he beats
Speaker 1: up Nazis. Sometimes he just shoots them straight in Nazis.
Speaker 1: The The other thing that he is best in the
Speaker 1: world at is stealing the precious cultural artifacts of some
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, and taking it to some random museum
Speaker 1: in Illinois.
Speaker 2: I mean, or just like a really weird warehouse, like
Speaker 2: a giant warehouse. So something about Indiana Jones Raiders are
Speaker 2: the lost art. Arguably, if he had not been in
Speaker 2: the movie absolutely nothing different would have happened. That's the
Speaker 2: one time when his intrinsic behavior of stealing things for
Speaker 2: the government is not great temple of doom. He does,
Speaker 2: he saves, he saves people. You know what. The movie
Speaker 2: has a lot of problems, but gave us KiHa Kwan.
Speaker 2: And also, you know what, at least that time he's
Speaker 2: stealing for the right people. They probably need him to
Speaker 2: steal it, but you know what, and then and then.
Speaker 1: The last crusade, I mean it is potentially immortal after
Speaker 1: jagging from the cup of Christ.
Speaker 2: By the way, let's lean into that here.
Speaker 1: Had a dalliance with a Nazi, so problematic figure, a
Speaker 1: problematic I'm excited for this movie. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of the Nina Jones. Even though I do think that
Speaker 1: he is a thief. He is absolutely agreed.
Speaker 2: He is a thief. I long a criminal. I long
Speaker 2: for the time that we get that. You know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be Indiana Jones, but a long time
Speaker 2: people were fan casting Oscar iSER in an Indiana Jones
Speaker 2: style role where he would essentially steal things back from
Speaker 2: the museums and give them back to people and repatriot
Speaker 2: like stolen objects I would love to see a pulpy
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones esque story like that on the big screen.
Speaker 2: We don't need to name Indiana Jones, though sometimes that
Speaker 2: does make it easier to get that stuff made. But
Speaker 2: I think there's a space for that, because you're right,
Speaker 2: he's a thief.
Speaker 1: Up next, The Last of Us the latest Last of
Speaker 1: Us trailer, I would imagine this is probably the last
Speaker 1: official Last of Us trailer. The show will premiere January
Speaker 1: fifteenth of twenty twenty three on HBO Max, starring Patro
Speaker 1: Pascal as Joel, Bella Ramsey as Ellie, Gabrielle Luna as Tommy,
Speaker 1: and a Torvas tests And of course, this is an
Speaker 1: adaptation of the you know, the.
Speaker 2: Hit yeah cultural phenomena.
Speaker 1: Game The Last of Us the game of the same
Speaker 1: name very and this looks great. This looks really good. This,
Speaker 1: I mean captured the kind of vibe of the video
Speaker 1: games that kind of like very tense, dark, I hate
Speaker 1: to say gritty, but also but also a kind of
Speaker 1: story with a real emotional core of relationship between an
Speaker 1: older guy Joel and a young woman Ellie who you know,
Speaker 1: this develops into a father daughter relationship. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see this A big fan of the video games, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks excited to watch the show looks great.
Speaker 2: I think that one of the things that they really
Speaker 2: capture in this trailer is that the hard thing to
Speaker 2: recreate from the game is this mix of like this
Speaker 2: really intimate character based story that feels very personal that
Speaker 2: you're going along as you play the game, and the
Speaker 2: huge scope of the apocalypse that they're going through. And
Speaker 2: this trailer really got that for me. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of character beats. You get Ellie kind of having this
Speaker 2: inappropriate humor moment that feels really true to the game,
Speaker 2: and then you get the hints of the clickers and
Speaker 2: it looks Yeah, it looks great. I also kind of,
Speaker 2: I guess, because so much happened this year, I missed
Speaker 2: how many unreal cast members this show has until recently
Speaker 2: when they started releasing like everyone is just like a
Speaker 2: killer bit of casting with the unreal amount of star power.
Speaker 2: So I'm very excited. And it had a very outrageous
Speaker 2: slowed down version of Take on Me by Aha, which
Speaker 2: definitely works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not you know, like a creepy version
Speaker 1: of a pop song always works. It's never not worked
Speaker 1: in a trailer also, as we go into this again.
Speaker 1: This show will premiere mid January twenty twenty three. One
Speaker 1: of our plans for the future has to do a
Speaker 1: dive into the story of the video game. Yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: give us the video game as we're talking about the show,
Speaker 1: so that should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really excited to delve into that because it's
Speaker 2: something that we both really just love and to be
Speaker 2: able to talk about that and the show is a
Speaker 2: really exciting possibility.
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Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the airlock, folks, and into a
Speaker 1: fantasy world created by George Lucas. From the mind of
Speaker 1: George Lucas. We're talking about the show Willow, the adaptation
Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighty eight film Willow, sequel to that
Speaker 1: movie on Disney Plus. There are now three episodes out.
Speaker 1: And this is a movie and a show that I
Speaker 1: think has a very special place in one Rosy Night's
Speaker 1: heart and might as well. I love this movie. As
Speaker 1: a kid, I watched this movie a lot.
Speaker 2: It must have been something to do with its availability
Speaker 2: on VHS or something, because the movie did not take
Speaker 2: the box office by storm. It had a good opening weekend.
Speaker 1: But it didn't pretty well.
Speaker 2: It didn't have the it didn't have the Star Wars effect,
Speaker 2: the Indiana Jones effect, you know, which is why it's
Speaker 2: taken thirty years to thirty four years to get a sequel,
Speaker 2: you know. So, But there was something about it when
Speaker 2: we were kids. It was just so prevalent. They probably
Speaker 2: overprinted the vhs they needed to make back the money
Speaker 2: and home video. But for me, this was one of
Speaker 2: my most watched films. I mean, this was definitely one
Speaker 2: of my entry points into horror and enjoying horror because
Speaker 2: it's really scary.
Speaker 1: Seem scary. That creature work is is quite scary.
Speaker 2: They have these these creatures called the death Dogs that
Speaker 2: kind of they're the they're used by the evil Queen
Speaker 2: bav Morda to hunt down people that she wants to find,
Speaker 2: including the baby known as a Laura Dannon, who is
Speaker 2: the main kind of chosen one protagonist of the film,
Speaker 2: even though she's a baby. Uh. And the death Dogs
Speaker 2: were just Rottweilers that they put these prosthetics.
Speaker 1: It's like you watch and you're like, wow, they look
Speaker 1: really those dogs because a dog dogs.
Speaker 2: And then they just would put this huge kind of
Speaker 2: almost pig like wolf prostec And the opening of the
Speaker 2: movie is these dogs and they're hunting down a woman
Speaker 2: who's got the baby, and it is so scary, and
Speaker 2: I remember just really loving that mixture of this scary
Speaker 2: horror fantasy with this incredibly cozy woodland world where.
Speaker 1: Will a very cozy world. Yeah, played by So that
Speaker 1: movie came out in nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think the interesting thing about it is that sci fi
Speaker 1: was ruled the roost at that time, obviously Star Wars
Speaker 1: and the various knockoffs from Star Wars, the Star Trek
Speaker 1: movie series which had gotten back into business, Alien Aliens, Terminator,
Speaker 1: Terminator too, and it was a very, very fallow time
Speaker 1: for fantasy at the box office. Now, this is not
Speaker 1: to say that there weren't many things that were released
Speaker 1: that absolutely resonated with folks Dark Crystal.
Speaker 2: And even those they were like Dark Crystal that was
Speaker 2: not a big blockbuster hit, it became a cult hit.
Speaker 2: Princess Bride also another movie that became a cult hit.
Speaker 2: Fantasy was there, but it was not It had not
Speaker 2: had that huge resurgence in the way that sci fi.
Speaker 1: Had, and so it was really kind of a risk.
Speaker 1: You know, George Lucas cashed in a lot of his
Speaker 1: chips in order to get this movie made. This was
Speaker 1: not a movie that twenty Century Fox where anybody really
Speaker 1: really wanted to make. He swung a lot of deals
Speaker 1: around the margins, with licensing, with marketing, you know, all
Speaker 1: the lessons that he had learned in monetizing Star Wars.
Speaker 1: He brought to Beer Hero in order to get this
Speaker 1: movie done, and then he was also going through divorce
Speaker 1: at the time, which he poured a lot of that
Speaker 1: kind of like feeling into this place. This is a
Speaker 1: very this is a movie about the female characters in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very forward thinking in that way. Like I
Speaker 2: was speaking, I've done quite a lot of coverage about
Speaker 2: Willow for Den of Geek, for their magazine and for
Speaker 2: the website the new series. And it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: because the new series had which we'll get to, has
Speaker 2: a lot of like strong female characters and it's very diverse.
Speaker 2: But the original movie is, like, the main villain is
Speaker 2: an evil queen. One of the heroes ends up being
Speaker 2: her daughter, who's a total badass warrior in a way
Speaker 2: that you really hadn't seen at this point. She's not
Speaker 2: a red Sonja esque warrior. I love red Sonya, but
Speaker 2: she's not wearing a bikini. She's not you know, in
Speaker 2: service of a man. She is like a hardcore badass.
Speaker 2: And then you have you know, Willow has a family.
Speaker 2: He has his wife Kaya, he has his daughter Mims,
Speaker 2: who plays who plays a role in the new show too.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of time spent it as well
Speaker 2: as a Laura Dannon who is the Chosen One, who
Speaker 2: is a woman again moving away from that Luke Skywalker
Speaker 2: kind of trope of the male Chosen One. It has
Speaker 2: a lot of really interesting, unexpected character choices, and I
Speaker 2: will say, you know, this is a movie George Lucas
Speaker 2: had wanted to tell for a long time, a story
Speaker 2: he'd wanted to tell for a long time, and it
Speaker 2: was when he cast Warwick Davis, who was only eleven
Speaker 2: when he was cast in Return of the Jedi, I
Speaker 2: found out recently, which just unbelievable. And then George realized
Speaker 2: this could be a vehicle for Warwick in kind of
Speaker 2: this star vehicle. So this is also a movie where
Speaker 2: your heroic lead is a little person. And also, like
Speaker 2: now probably one of the most well known little person
Speaker 2: actors in the world. Warwick Davis just a total legend,
Speaker 2: but back then he wasn't. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: something we still don't really see. I can't think of
Speaker 2: another movie that's a heroic that has a heroic role
Speaker 2: with a little person or even a you know, a
Speaker 2: disabled person in a lead role that was a major
Speaker 2: blockbuster movie, and I just I love this movie so much.
Speaker 2: It's this great mixture between like coziness and horror and fantasy.
Speaker 2: And then you have the thing we haven't talked about,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, this just absolutely ridiculous, out there
Speaker 2: unforgettable performance by Val Kilma as Mad Martagan, and that
Speaker 2: becomes the kind of central part. I was watching the
Speaker 2: movie for this show and I was thinking, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: like how much Mad Martagan Willow fanfic is there, because
Speaker 2: they're basically like they pair them as like a husband
Speaker 2: and wife on this D and D style adventure.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting because you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: criticism of this movie was, oh, okay, Mad Martigan is
Speaker 1: just Han solo, like this kind of rogue character warmed
Speaker 1: over this charming Mad Martigan's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 2: He sucks. This is a truly complex yeah, Like this
Speaker 2: is not some easy he is like a rogue ish
Speaker 2: It's far more realistic than the hand because this is
Speaker 2: like he sucks.
Speaker 1: He is an anti hero in the true sense of
Speaker 1: the world word, which is part of why I think
Speaker 1: the movie is. You know, the positioning of the characters
Speaker 1: is really courageous. From Lucas because again, like the the
Speaker 1: the female heroes are really the center of this story.
Speaker 1: And while Mad Martigan has some great action scenes and
Speaker 1: his you know, relationship with with Willow uh is part
Speaker 1: of like the emotional engine of the story. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of their interactions are like Mad Martigan just like
Speaker 1: calling Willow a peck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always and he's always towards him, and he's
Speaker 2: always trying to like betray him. I think in Nojoy
Speaker 2: this this feels to me a lot more like the
Speaker 2: fantasy books that we've read and the kind of fantasy
Speaker 2: stories that we get now, which is this D and
Speaker 2: D party where you can have characters who are not trustworthy,
Speaker 2: there's always one person who's trying to betray you, who
Speaker 2: wants to get the treasure, who's doing it for their
Speaker 2: own way. And obviously Mad Martigan's journey across this movie
Speaker 2: is to realize, oh, there's something bigger at stake here,
Speaker 2: and it's this baby. Whether or not you believe she's
Speaker 2: a prophesized empress, she's just a little baby who needs help.
Speaker 2: And I'm here with my boyfriend Willow, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: look after her, you know. And then you have this
Speaker 2: Sorcia played by joe An Warley, who's also in the
Speaker 2: new series. She just has no time for Mad Martigan's shit.
Speaker 2: And it's such a joy to see this like enemies
Speaker 2: to lovers, like annoying. She's like, this guy is so
Speaker 2: annoying that there's just something there and they both kind
Speaker 2: of come together over this great battle. And one of
Speaker 2: the most interesting things about Willow that I love that
Speaker 2: comes into play heavily in the show is the end
Speaker 2: of Willow. Willow's journey is he is. He's a Nelwyn,
Speaker 2: which is what they call the community of people that
Speaker 2: he lives in, and he wants to be a sorcerer,
Speaker 2: and his dream is to be a sorcerer, to be
Speaker 2: an apprentice and to become a high sorcerer of his community. Right,
Speaker 2: but he really just does like funny magic tricks when
Speaker 2: he's at home. He doesn't really know how to do magic.
Speaker 2: And the end of the movie, he does a magic
Speaker 2: trick and he tricks Bavmorda into thinking he's made a
Speaker 2: Laura Dan and disappear, and then Bavmorda gets struck by lightning.
Speaker 2: So Willow doesn't actually do any magic. He's not a
Speaker 2: great sorcerer. He kind of does it off his own wits,
Speaker 2: in his own wiles. It's very star Wars. He it's
Speaker 2: very fun. But then thirty four years later, when you
Speaker 2: have this show, which is probably set around twenty years afterwards,
Speaker 2: everyone in the whole Kingdom of teraz Len thinks Willow
Speaker 2: is this genius magic sorcerer, and the show is kind
Speaker 2: of getting towards now this idea of like, well, we
Speaker 2: know what really happened in the movie, so how do
Speaker 2: you deal with that when you're now positioning him back
Speaker 2: into this magic and it's by again surrounding. There's a
Speaker 2: great moment in the trailer that was kind of when
Speaker 2: I realized the show was really going to get me,
Speaker 2: which is like someone says to Willa, like, how are
Speaker 2: you going to beat me? And he's like, like I
Speaker 2: did last time with my friends, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the point. Like it's just some ragtag group of
Speaker 2: like people who are kind of outcast, kind of losers,
Speaker 2: like the the Party of Bandits who everyone is ignored,
Speaker 2: the sorcerer no one cares about, the female warrior no
Speaker 2: one takes seriously, the rogue who's betrayed so many people
Speaker 2: that they just left them in a skeleton, you know,
Speaker 2: cage to kind of rot away. Oh, actually, if we
Speaker 2: come together, we can do something. And I just think
Speaker 2: that's so much fun. And it's again, it kind of
Speaker 2: leans into those like you mentioned, you know, Dark Crystal Legend.
Speaker 2: All those movies were at the time, they didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: make a huge waves, but now you watch them and
Speaker 2: you're like, these movies are so long and so complex
Speaker 2: and so strange, and that's really what fantasy should be.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why Willow Is always kind of
Speaker 2: stood the test of time. For me and John Kasdan,
Speaker 2: who is the showrunner of the New Willow series, and
Speaker 2: who's you know, His dad is Lawrence Kasdan. His brother's
Speaker 2: Jake cas Down, So they're like Lucas phil Films Royalty.
Speaker 2: But he was like us. He was just somebody who
Speaker 2: watched it so many times as a kid, and he
Speaker 2: just loved it. And when he was the little kid,
Speaker 2: you know, he was like, wait, I don't understand why
Speaker 2: isn't there a sequel because we don't understand the notion
Speaker 2: of box offices and stuff, you know. And I felt
Speaker 2: the same way as a kid. I rewatched my VHS
Speaker 2: so many times, and I sort of couldn't believe that
Speaker 2: there wasn't another film.
Speaker 1: As we were saying, I think that the lesson that
Speaker 1: the industry took from Willow, which was a modest It
Speaker 1: was a modest success, but certainly not what people had
Speaker 1: associated with the name George Lucas. I think the lesson
Speaker 1: that the industry took was that fantasy is not well viable,
Speaker 1: is not where the market is now. Sci Fi is
Speaker 1: where the market is now. An increasing trend towards comic
Speaker 1: book material is where the market is now. And it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be until the appearance of Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: to really show that fantasy can still sell tickets at
Speaker 1: the box office, because you know, it had come all
Speaker 1: the way back around in terms of sci fi with
Speaker 1: the matrix, which is basically like Star Wars of the
Speaker 1: Internet era, Jurassic Park, et cetera. You know, there was
Speaker 1: just not you never. The eighties was a rich time
Speaker 1: for fantasy content. Certainly not successful in the eyes of
Speaker 1: the industry, but the movies were good.
Speaker 2: And they became huge hits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but after Willow, that was kind of it for
Speaker 1: the next ten years. Okay, let's get into the show
Speaker 1: Willow Episodes one, two, three is what we're gonna cover.
Speaker 1: Here's what we'll just do a quick catchup on the
Speaker 1: first two episodes before we.
Speaker 2: Get to.
Speaker 1: Episode three. Episode one The Gales, written by Jonathan Cast
Speaker 1: and directed by Stephen Wolfenden. This introduces us to our
Speaker 1: our new cast of characters in the Willow series. They
Speaker 1: include Princess Kit, who is the daughter of Queen Sortia,
Speaker 1: who is in turns herself the daughter of the evil
Speaker 1: bav Morda from the Willow movie and now ruling Tira Slean.
Speaker 1: She her best friend is a warrior named Jade. They
Speaker 1: trained together all the time and clearly there are there
Speaker 1: are real feelings between those two real.
Speaker 2: And Jade is played by Aaron Kellyman who we're a
Speaker 2: huge fan of on the show Hit and his Nest
Speaker 2: from the end of Solo, one of the best but
Speaker 2: shortest character introductions. Then you know a part in Falcon
Speaker 2: the Winter Soldier, but again it was kind of a
Speaker 2: cut short role. This role really gives her a lot
Speaker 2: of meat and she gets to kind of be the
Speaker 2: shining night in this medieval inspired kind of story. And
Speaker 2: they're gonna Kit is the very much like, I'm not
Speaker 2: like other girls. Princess. Her dad is Mad Martigan, her
Speaker 2: mother is Sorcia Mad Martigan. Where is he?
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
Speaker 2: He went off on a thing and he never came back.
Speaker 2: So she's very much in that space. But she's gonna
Speaker 2: have to get married off to a prince called Graydon
Speaker 2: and played by Tony Revlorie Flash Thompson from Spider Man,
Speaker 2: and you can get the feeling right.
Speaker 1: He's a nice enough guy, but he's either one of them,
Speaker 1: and they both recognize that politically it's important to go
Speaker 1: through this marriage, but neither of them are particularly passionate
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know each other to each other, and
Speaker 2: there is a party to celebrate this impending marriage. It
Speaker 2: kind of all goes awry when Kit's twin brother, Prince Eric,
Speaker 2: who is named after Eric, who is Mad mart Again's
Speaker 2: friend who died heroically in the original movie, Rigaler, a
Speaker 2: sassy hero, he was wonderful and.
Speaker 1: Eric Eric has a lot of the Mad mark. It's
Speaker 1: like the the roguishness of Mad Martigan without the kind
Speaker 1: of swordsmanship.
Speaker 2: He's never had to go out on an adventure he is.
Speaker 2: He's living his life. He's he's promiscuously making his way
Speaker 2: through the castle staff. He's he's a lover boy. Also,
Speaker 2: Dempsey Brick, who plays him, looks a lot like young Valkil,
Speaker 2: So this casting is like really wild, lo and behold
Speaker 2: if you're just wearing a floaty shirt and like sleeping
Speaker 2: with lots of girls, apparently in this world, that means
Speaker 2: you're going to get kidnapped by these nightmare irish creatures
Speaker 2: the Gales, And that happens. He gets swept up by
Speaker 2: a giant scary bird, and Kit is like, well, not
Speaker 2: having that, I'm off to save my brother. And surprisingly,
Speaker 2: her mother, who was just recently you know, desperate to
Speaker 2: get her into this arranged marriage, is like, actually that's
Speaker 2: a great idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go do it.
Speaker 2: Go do it. You go go with Kate, go with Jade,
Speaker 2: your best bud. Now.
Speaker 1: An interesting wrinkle here is that Eric has been messing
Speaker 1: around with a particular member of the household staff, a
Speaker 1: wonderful cook named Dove, and we discover at the end
Speaker 1: of episode one, when our group encounters Willow Willow Ofughgood
Speaker 1: of the movie Fame, he touches Dove's arm. Dove was
Speaker 1: not meant to be with this group. She kind of
Speaker 1: snuck away because she wants to. You know, she has
Speaker 1: really fallen for Eric, even though she's unsure of the
Speaker 1: way he feels about her. She just wants to find him.
Speaker 1: And Willow, sensing something about Dove, places his hand on
Speaker 1: her arm, revealing a sign. And guess what, folks, the
Speaker 1: long lost Empress Laura dan and the true Empress is
Speaker 1: this kitchen maid done.
Speaker 2: So this is actually terrible news as much as everyone's
Speaker 2: been waiting for her to survive, because basically, Sorcia mad Martigan,
Speaker 2: the whole of Terrace Lean has essentially kept Elaura Dannon secret.
Speaker 2: They hid her away, they pretended that they didn't know
Speaker 2: who she was, and they raised her in these kitchens
Speaker 2: as a kitchen girl so that she would not be
Speaker 2: in any danger and evil would not be able to
Speaker 2: find her. But now, lo and behold, she's off on
Speaker 2: an adventure, trying to go to the end of the
Speaker 2: earth to find her boyfriend. And she's very committed and
Speaker 2: she's going to do it. And team is rounded out
Speaker 2: by a really just unbelievably great addition who Queen Sorcia
Speaker 2: forces on the group, and his name is Borman and
Speaker 2: he's played by ama Chada Patel and he is so
Speaker 2: good and he's definitely channeling your biggest Mad Margan energy.
Speaker 1: He is like the he is the Marshall Mad Martigan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: brought to life here, the exact warrior with the quips,
Speaker 1: who you know is an adventurer and is definitely not
Speaker 1: the do everything by the book guy.
Speaker 2: No, and they do something I really think is so great.
Speaker 2: This definitely is in that space of what Jadmin Sivoid
Speaker 2: Brown's character in Scream five coined as the requell. This
Speaker 2: is it's the sequel that's also the reboot that introduces
Speaker 2: new characters, but you have to have the old characters.
Speaker 2: And this show does something really lovely, which is it
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time connecting those threads and Borman
Speaker 2: is not just oh, we're going to make this guy
Speaker 2: pretend to be Mad Martigan. No, he channels the spirit
Speaker 2: of Mad mart again. And as we get into the show,
Speaker 2: you learn why because he was friends with him, and
Speaker 2: that's actually how Sorsa gilts him into going on this
Speaker 2: trip with this group of kids, this kind of ya
Speaker 2: adventure party, because she's like, don't forget about your old friend,
Speaker 2: and yeah, In that first episode ends boom a Laura
Speaker 2: Danon is there. Willow's stoked to see her, but also
Speaker 2: like the whole now when people all live underground now
Speaker 2: because of how bad things have got. So it's not
Speaker 2: looking very hopeful. But Kid's not gonna let her brother
Speaker 2: be kidnapped. She's she's ready for the fight.
Speaker 1: In episode two, we get some extra wrinkles here. Laura
Speaker 1: is trying to learn some magic with the help of Willow.
Speaker 1: Willow is being very cagy about his own magic abilities
Speaker 1: at this particular time. Yes, and more on that in
Speaker 1: episode three. And then Laura gets kidnapped by one of
Speaker 1: the commanders of the tears Lean Guard, Commander Valentine, who
Speaker 1: it turns out has been possessed yes, we guess by
Speaker 1: these Gaels who attacked the castle. They touched him or
Speaker 1: were able in some way to bring him under their him.
Speaker 1: Almost with this, he kidnaps Laura and goes away. So
Speaker 1: now we're on a double search. We're looking for Eric,
Speaker 1: but we also got to get the true Empress Laura
Speaker 1: dan and back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that leads us to episode three, which the
Speaker 2: funnest thing about this is this is a show that
Speaker 2: I feel really deeply understands kind of where fantasy is
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two and what people want to see,
Speaker 2: because episode three essentially is a side quest, which is
Speaker 2: like everybody's favorite thing to do in any kind of
Speaker 2: fantasy RPG or like a tabletop game. So I love
Speaker 2: that they were like side quest episode. It's like a
Speaker 2: really it's a really fun little trope, and this is
Speaker 2: why you really start digging in. So we're going to
Speaker 2: do the real recap for this one.
Speaker 1: So we open on a flashback ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: This is a story that is being recounted by Borman
Speaker 1: to Princess kit and he is telling the story of Thule,
Speaker 1: who was the scion of the king of Chimeria, but
Speaker 1: he was seen as weak by his brother Tiberius, and
Speaker 1: so Tiberius decided, you know what, I think I should
Speaker 1: be a king instead, and therefore I'm going to lay
Speaker 1: siege to the capital of Chimeria. Annabelle, the mother of
Speaker 1: both of these young men, to protect her son, Thule
Speaker 1: forges a set of magical armor that locks with a
Speaker 1: special key called the Luxarkana that will only allow those
Speaker 1: worthy of the defensive power of this armor to wear it.
Speaker 1: Thule then goes to ride out alone wearing the armor
Speaker 1: to face his brother and his brother army of death dealers,
Speaker 1: but before Borman can tell the rest of the story,
Speaker 1: Kid is like, I'm fucking bored.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: She's like this boring, yeah, and this is the point
Speaker 3: of this story.
Speaker 2: She's like, please just get to the pop about my dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you knew my dad. So what is up
Speaker 1: with that? Where you get and Borman then says, uh,
Speaker 1: and this is what you were talking about, which is
Speaker 1: this understanding of where fantasy is in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Borman then says a line that is a wonderful wink
Speaker 1: to the audience. Your generation has zero attention span for
Speaker 1: epic tales.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much fun that that line. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad you picked out because that really sums up to
Speaker 2: me how this is. If there's one thing that this
Speaker 2: is most influenced by Tonally, I would say it's the
Speaker 2: Princess Bride, because the thing they didn't really get into
Speaker 2: so far is the show is very fantastical. It's really
Speaker 2: beautifully shot. It was all shot on location in Wales,
Speaker 2: so it's really colorful and doesn't really look like anything else.
Speaker 2: But it's also just very funny and like intentionally funny
Speaker 2: and consistently meta and winking and also just like classically silly.
Speaker 1: There's a breeziness to it that is, you know, when
Speaker 1: you think fantasy, right, you think English accents, you know,
Speaker 1: this kind of like Shakespearean kind of approach. That is
Speaker 1: not the case with this. Ellie Bamper, who plays a
Speaker 1: Laura Dannon, is a British access using an American accent.
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's very much the opposite of what
Speaker 1: you would expect, Like there's not the kind of fussiness
Speaker 1: yea of the normal kind of fantasy.
Speaker 2: Almost like it's almost like, and this is coming from me,
Speaker 2: is a big like compliment, but it's almost like casual fantasy.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's like when you watch something
Speaker 2: like Game of Thrones. You got to watch that first
Speaker 2: season and you have to learn every single family and
Speaker 2: political group and the way that they're connected and the
Speaker 2: hundreds of years of history that shape them, which we love.
Speaker 2: That's literally what we love to talk about. But this
Speaker 2: is one of those shows where I feel like anyone
Speaker 2: could just put it on and kind of vaguely recognize
Speaker 2: the archetypes but not feel like there's too much. And
Speaker 2: that partially comes from the fact that Willow is one
Speaker 2: movie that came out thirty four years ago, going you know,
Speaker 2: touching on one of mine and Jason's favorite topics aka
Speaker 2: the X Men. There are three Willow novels written by
Speaker 2: none other than Chris Claremont that expand the law of
Speaker 2: the story. But even then, you're talking about three books,
Speaker 2: the third one which is incredibly hard to find that
Speaker 2: most people haven't read, and one movie, so there is
Speaker 2: not a lot of law. You can have that breeziness,
Speaker 2: that kind of fun of expanding the idea of what
Speaker 2: the show is well, kind of using it as a
Speaker 2: vessel to sort of nod to the things that we
Speaker 2: really like and enjoy about fantastic.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that about it. It's a very very
Speaker 1: easy and fun watch. Okay. So basically Borman is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You, your dad, Morgan, and I were
Speaker 1: trying to find this armor at one point in time
Speaker 1: in order to defend Tira's lean from this the evil
Speaker 1: Crone that we are currently sort of in a mission against,
Speaker 1: you know, right now, even though our real mission is
Speaker 1: find Laura Dennon and find Eric Commander Ballantine of Tira's Lean.
Speaker 1: He has a Laura prisoner. He has been possessed by
Speaker 1: the Gaels. Jade finds him just as he's getting on
Speaker 1: his horse with a Laura and he's like, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: He tries to kind of play it off, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I'm working for the Queen. I'm working
Speaker 1: for Queen Sortia, you know, a Laura's mom, and it
Speaker 1: was my job to take a Laura back home, and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. And then Willow shows up and says, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that may be the case, but a Laura should only
Speaker 1: go home if she wants to go home. And she's
Speaker 1: unconscious over the back of your horse right now, it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like she's doing anything that she actually wants
Speaker 1: to do. It should be her decision. So the whole
Speaker 1: party shows up, you know, Willow's friend Silas is Patriots
Speaker 1: Silas Prince Grayden, Boorman Kit and they take out their
Speaker 1: swords and we get a big fight, but Valentine and
Speaker 1: his men get away with a Laura in this kind
Speaker 1: of in the confusion. After Willow attempts to do some
Speaker 1: sort of like magic spell all he does is really
Speaker 1: kind of cause a lot of smoke to be to
Speaker 1: be thrown up, and by the time the smoke clears,
Speaker 1: a Laura and Commander Valentine are gone. Willow then tells
Speaker 1: them that Valentine's men have been overtaken by evil magic
Speaker 1: and this is the work of the Gales. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, we hear the voice of the Crone speaking
Speaker 1: through these storm clouds on the horizon, and the Crone,
Speaker 1: we learn, does not want to kill Laura because Laura
Speaker 1: can't really be killed, like her energy is instructible. You kill, yeah, now.
Speaker 2: She's not You could have killed a baby, but now
Speaker 2: you can't really kill.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you can't do anything else. You might banish
Speaker 1: her from the from the world for a while, but
Speaker 1: she'll just be reborn again. What you need to do,
Speaker 1: and what the Crone wants to do, is as an adult,
Speaker 1: take her prisoner and therefore remove her light energy from
Speaker 1: the world, and that's how you could rule this land.
Speaker 1: This is exactly what bav Morda was trying to do
Speaker 1: in the original movie. Elsewhere a Laura manages to get
Speaker 1: free of Commander Balentine, she runs into the woods and
Speaker 1: while this is happening. Our hero's wagon has broken down.
Speaker 1: We get a nice nod to the kind of lucasfilm
Speaker 1: a DNA of this when so the wagon wheel is
Speaker 1: like falling off the wagon and they're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to fix it, and Borman is like, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, you're a sorcerer, can't you just like lift
Speaker 1: it with magic? And Willow is like, no, we can't
Speaker 1: do that, although there's going to be other reasons why
Speaker 1: he can't use his magic right now that will tell
Speaker 1: you in a second. In the forest, while Willow and
Speaker 1: Borman and Silas are trying to figure out what's up
Speaker 1: with the wagon wheel, Kit and Jay are having a
Speaker 1: much needed conversation. They haven't really had a moment a
Speaker 1: loan since they've started this adventure, and the last kind
Speaker 1: of real interaction between them was when you know, Kit
Speaker 1: was being introduced to her future husband, Prince Graydon, and
Speaker 1: Jade was feeling not great about it, and Kit was
Speaker 1: also feeling really shitty about it, and they basically had
Speaker 1: an argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jade wanted Jade was gonna become the first
Speaker 2: woman to have been able to train as a knight,
Speaker 2: but it would have meant leaving Kit, and Kit was
Speaker 2: feeling very Kit was very spoilt about it and caused
Speaker 2: the big drama and it was a huge moment. And
Speaker 2: now they're having a conversation because Ballentine, who is the
Speaker 2: evil now evillly possessed man who stole really jas and
Speaker 2: Laura Danet, he's Jade's mental He raised her. Jade was
Speaker 2: raised as an orphan in the palace and it has
Speaker 2: been most of her life. Ballentine has been that father
Speaker 2: figure and has trained out how to fight. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gonna need to die.
Speaker 1: So Kit is saying to Jade exactly that listen, if
Speaker 1: we face balance again, you've got to be ready to
Speaker 1: kill him without hesitation. And Jade is like, I wasn't hesitating.
Speaker 1: I was focused on trying to save your life. And
Speaker 1: Kid is like, I'm a good I'm actually a good fighter,
Speaker 1: which you don't think I can hold my own and
Speaker 1: I don't need saving. And Jade then tells Kit, and
Speaker 1: we're in really big reveal that you know, basically saying, well,
Speaker 1: you're a good fighter. I always I've been helping you
Speaker 1: be a good fighter. And by the way, your mom
Speaker 1: ordered me to basically be your friend in order to
Speaker 1: train you to become a good fighter. And Kit is
Speaker 1: shaken at this, and you know, Jade tries to soften
Speaker 1: it by saying, yeah, but then you know, I developed
Speaker 1: feelings for you since, like it became a real friendship
Speaker 1: and obviously something more. But Kit doesn't want to hear this.
Speaker 1: In the world, it's Laura, you know, goes through these
Speaker 1: kind of dark and shadowy woods to this sunny clearing
Speaker 1: and she finds this this cabin and two woodswomen living there,
Speaker 1: Hubert and Anne. A. Laura is panicked, you know, she
Speaker 1: doesn't know if Valentine and the rest are right on
Speaker 1: her heels. And she's telling these women like these bad
Speaker 1: men are coming. They're wicked men. They want to take
Speaker 1: me prisoner, they may kill you and whatever. And Hubert
Speaker 1: and Anne are just like, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: eat some roasted mushrooms?
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, like it's fine, that's a good
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere, our heroes with the wagon are struggling. They're lost
Speaker 1: in the storm. They decide, okay, we're going to cover
Speaker 1: more ground if we split up. Kit specifically orders the
Speaker 1: teams so that she and Jade will be searching separately
Speaker 1: back to the Woods, Laura tells the Woods women that
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you mentioned Laura danon Ladies because
Speaker 1: I am a Laura Dannon. I know, it's weird by
Speaker 1: the way, I just found it out. I'm still processing
Speaker 1: that myself. It's kind of a honestly, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like been a huge mind fuck, but yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: I am a Laura dan And they're like, oh, let
Speaker 1: us see the mark. Then show us the mark on
Speaker 1: the arm if you really learned. She raises her sleeve,
Speaker 1: shows them the mark, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these women are like, holy shit, you're the true Empress.
Speaker 2: This is what they've been waiting for.
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for this. There's legends about this, there's
Speaker 1: legends about what will happen. And they realize, oh, that
Speaker 1: means you really are in danger, and if you're the
Speaker 1: true Empress, that means that we should join you in
Speaker 1: whatever adventure.
Speaker 2: Whatever You've got us on side.
Speaker 1: We have your back. We let's get out of here
Speaker 1: before these men show up. Let's get you somewhere safe.
Speaker 1: Laura says, no, no, no, we can't go somewhere safe
Speaker 1: and just hold up. I have to rescue my boyfriend
Speaker 1: Eric from the crone. They're like, okay, fine, we're gonna
Speaker 1: help you. Before they can do anything, Commander Valentine shows
Speaker 1: up immediately, and I mean like almost mediately, he kills Hubert.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's such a shame too, because Hubert just goes
Speaker 2: full badass. Hubert pulls out an axe. Hubert hits Ballentine
Speaker 2: with it, and everyone's like, oh my god, Hugh, but
Speaker 2: you're so cool, like I can't believe you did that.
Speaker 2: And then Ballentine lo and behold, he's basically a zombie
Speaker 2: because he's been possessed by the evil of the Liches
Speaker 2: and the Gaels. So then he just kills Huba r
Speaker 2: I p.
Speaker 1: Huba Hubert Hubert played by the Great hadn't Hannah Wadding
Speaker 1: yea fame? Uh And and you see her and you're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: she's gonna be around for a little while. Nope, not
Speaker 1: even an episode. R I p r ip to Hubert. Quickly,
Speaker 1: both women are cut down and goes down in quick
Speaker 1: quick order right after that, and the commander promises Laura
Speaker 1: that more will die unless you come with us. You
Speaker 1: have to come with us or your friends will continue
Speaker 1: to get cut down. Kit and Borman continue their conversation
Speaker 1: about mad Martgan. You know, why did Borman return from
Speaker 1: their adventures in man Martigan didn't? Where is my dad?
Speaker 1: What happened? Borman kind of insinuates that something there was
Speaker 1: some kind of fight that was deadly, because he says
Speaker 1: I got lucky, basically saying, you know, your dad didn't
Speaker 1: get so lucky. They're looking at this kind of like
Speaker 1: storm surging all around them, and they start thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this dark energy, this dark storm.
Speaker 1: Maybe what we need is some light. Maybe what we
Speaker 1: need is that magical armor that I was telling you
Speaker 1: about at the top of this episode. Meanwhile, back with
Speaker 1: the Wagon, Grayden tells Jade, hey, have you noticed, like
Speaker 1: I noticed that Willow's magic isn't Like he didn't want
Speaker 1: to he didn't want to lift the wagon, and then
Speaker 1: when he used a spell when Valentine showed up, it
Speaker 1: really was not it didn't work. Really, I'm worried that
Speaker 1: Willow's magic is I'm willing we're that Will's magic is fading?
Speaker 1: Is that the case? And it turns out it is.
Speaker 1: We then see Willow have a conversation with his friend
Speaker 1: silas where he's basically saying, hey, I don't have much
Speaker 1: magic left. I need to save every drop of energy,
Speaker 1: magical energy that I have left in order to beat
Speaker 1: the crone when we face her, in order to save
Speaker 1: a Laura Dan, and I can't waste all this. Suddenly
Speaker 1: we have an answer on why. Willow, you know who
Speaker 1: has been bragging about what a great sorcery is ever
Speaker 1: since he's arrived in this story. He's been talking about
Speaker 1: it a lot.
Speaker 2: He asked to that's the game that he has to play,
Speaker 2: and all the interesting thing is he he is very
Speaker 2: wary of the future. He has these visions and he
Speaker 2: is seeing something that he feels like he can't stop,
Speaker 2: but he wants to, so he's saving his magic. And
Speaker 2: that is like you said, why he's you know, just
Speaker 2: lift the car. I know, I can't tell that much magic,
Speaker 2: just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like as you said, he has. Will as he's talking
Speaker 1: to his friend, has a flash of a vision and
Speaker 1: he realizes that he knows where they need to go.
Speaker 1: We go to Borman and Kit. They come to a graveyard.
Speaker 1: This Borman says is probably where the armor is, somewhere
Speaker 1: in the tunnels of this Necropolis, and they decide to
Speaker 1: go down in there. Laura, meanwhile being held by Captain Balentine,
Speaker 1: decides enough is enough. I'm a I've just learned that
Speaker 1: I am the true Empress. That means that I have
Speaker 1: magical power, and in fact, I have almost infinite magical
Speaker 1: power if I can just get in touch with it.
Speaker 1: Willow is trying to teach me an incantation. Maybe it'll work.
Speaker 1: She uses a little bit of her magic to get
Speaker 1: one of Balentine's goon's away from her, and then she
Speaker 1: starts the incantation that will taught her. That is, we imagine,
Speaker 1: supposed to call some sort of like magical protectors to
Speaker 1: fight for her. Nothing happens, but then her friends Grade
Speaker 1: and Jade, Willow and Silas Actually so.
Speaker 2: Maybe I did by.
Speaker 1: Jade begs Ballentine if he's in there her mentor to
Speaker 1: let her help him, help him get free, and he's
Speaker 1: like no. They lower their the their helms and they
Speaker 1: get in another big fight, another big sword fight. All
Speaker 1: the while down in the graveyard, kitt and Wormon are
Speaker 1: getting chased by wear rats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like they are on the side quest
Speaker 2: and it is not going well.
Speaker 1: Kit is not going well. There is no hint of
Speaker 1: this magical armor, and in.
Speaker 2: Fact, they like it eat very shady stuff, like he
Speaker 2: keeps going off by himself, and Kit's kind of left
Speaker 2: not really understanding what's going on. And then of course
Speaker 2: there are the wear rats.
Speaker 1: Yes, back at the fight. Laura is like, Willow, we
Speaker 1: need your sorcery. You've been talking a big game.
Speaker 2: There's a magic.
Speaker 1: Is the fucking magic, let's go. He is like making
Speaker 1: an excuse that you know, the sense we get is
Speaker 1: man that Willow's gas tank must be on empty. But
Speaker 1: then he uses this well anyway, and it is quite impressive.
Speaker 1: Valentine's men are like torn apart by this. Valentine himself
Speaker 1: is like bathed in this very destructive energy and he
Speaker 1: falls to the ground. We see, you know, in the
Speaker 1: wake of this, that Silas has been wounded in the fighting,
Speaker 1: and then he dies heartbreakingly in Willow's arms. And Valentine
Speaker 1: now mortally wounded, like he's done. But he's back to
Speaker 1: himself now and he talks to Jade. He's telling her, listen,
Speaker 1: you have to protect a Laura. Now that she's back,
Speaker 1: she has to be protected. Here's what's up with the Crone.
Speaker 1: The Crone is terrified of a Laura. You have to
Speaker 1: take a Laura to the immorial city, and that if
Speaker 1: you do that and protect her, you can defeat the Crone.
Speaker 1: And that's it, and then tyras Lean will be safe forever.
Speaker 1: And now that I've told you everything that I know,
Speaker 1: I need you to kill me because I'm not going
Speaker 1: to make it. And Jade, with Tyrs in our eyes,
Speaker 1: finishes him off. There's a storm there in this place
Speaker 1: called the Pitiless Path, which is now flooding because they're
Speaker 1: in the middle of this like terrible rainstorm. They see
Speaker 1: a set of steps going up the hill and Borman's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going, but I see a
Speaker 1: set of steps that gets us out of this floodplain,
Speaker 1: So I'm going up there. And they end up like
Speaker 1: on this mesa on the top of this mountain with
Speaker 1: this very very very very scary city in the in
Speaker 1: the distance, and they're all like, where the fuck are we?
Speaker 1: We have no idea where this is. But Willow knows
Speaker 1: because he was there in Willow the movie.
Speaker 2: He was knockmar don don the place of a Laura.
Speaker 1: Donnan, You're absolutely right. This is like a it's almost
Speaker 1: like a y E take on fantasy. It's super super fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fun. It's like I love the I
Speaker 2: think that the thing that makes it stand out to me.
Speaker 2: I love anything YA really like. I read a lot
Speaker 2: of YA books. I love stories where they tell them
Speaker 2: through the lens of young characters. I think it's a
Speaker 2: really interesting way to reinvigorate a franchise or to tell
Speaker 2: a new story. I loved you know, the Force Awakens.
Speaker 2: I love the Lost Jedi. But what I think is
Speaker 2: really cool here is that fun mixture between the new characters.
Speaker 2: But still this is a Willow show, so you have
Speaker 2: Willow there, and the way that they kind of tie
Speaker 2: them together in this this D and D esque against idea,
Speaker 2: it just feels really like different and very fun, and
Speaker 2: it's it's really I think that you were spot on
Speaker 2: when I when I spoke to John Casden about making
Speaker 2: the show, he was sort of making jokes about how
Speaker 2: nobody really knows about Willow. You know, it's not a
Speaker 2: high kind of profile property. And I think that in
Speaker 2: the way that you mentioned that probably gave them a
Speaker 2: lot of free reign under the Disney banner. And you know,
Speaker 2: In my interview with him for den If Geek, he said, like,
Speaker 2: this wouldn't have happened without Disney. Plus they needed ip,
Speaker 2: they needed content, so he got to take this swing
Speaker 2: and make something that does feel really different, and it
Speaker 2: kind of it's a great holiday show, but it does
Speaker 2: make me laugh because I'm just like, you just drop
Speaker 2: this casually on November thirtieth, and it's just so different
Speaker 2: to anything else that Disney, Plass or any other streamers
Speaker 2: really doing. It's it's very fun and I'm really excited
Speaker 2: to kind of continue the journey with these characters, especially
Speaker 2: Jade and Kick, because we're really getting to see this
Speaker 2: friendship growing into something more between them, and you're getting
Speaker 2: the fun of like a Laura and Grayden, and you
Speaker 2: get to see all these different little relationships that are building.
Speaker 2: And something I think is really special is, you know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like val Kilma is going to be
Speaker 2: able to be in this season. He's had a lot
Speaker 2: of health issues.
Speaker 1: Must they do something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at cast exactly or have you know? But
Speaker 2: what I think is really interesting is they are very
Speaker 2: keen to keep the instead of just being like mad
Speaker 2: Margan died. Yeah, most of the legacy characters here are
Speaker 2: deeply connected to Mad Martigan. Jade has a Mad Martagan
Speaker 2: esquing us about her because Jade is a knight who
Speaker 2: wants to fight and wants to be there and will
Speaker 2: do anything, and Jade kind of has this mysterious past
Speaker 2: just like Mad Martigan. Then you have Boorman, who's obviously
Speaker 2: your standard Mad Margan. Then you have Kit, who is
Speaker 2: also connected to Mad Martigan and who much of her
Speaker 2: journey is really driven by wanting to find out what
Speaker 2: happened to her dad. So it's really interesting that even
Speaker 2: though the character might not be appearing in the show,
Speaker 2: you still there's no easy writing that out. They've just
Speaker 2: decided to embrace that character and kind of the legacy
Speaker 2: of Vow's performance and build it in in different ways,
Speaker 2: which I think is really inventive and very comic.
Speaker 1: Bookie, I have a theory that the Crone is a man,
Speaker 1: and it's Mad Martigan who he's trying to get his
Speaker 1: kids back. He just wants to spend time, That's why
Speaker 1: he wants That's why he kidnapped Eric. He would love
Speaker 1: to kidnap a Laura Dan and because he's start in.
Speaker 2: The Memorial City so he can't. Wow, that's terrifying, and
Speaker 2: I love it. That would be so good. That would
Speaker 2: be so good. Yeah. And I think that's another fun
Speaker 2: thing is that we didn't even really touch on is
Speaker 2: that we haven't seen the Crone yet, but the character
Speaker 2: designs so far for the scary monsters are like legitimately scary.
Speaker 2: One of them looks like.
Speaker 1: A how raised really terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have you know, the flying monsters,
Speaker 2: the gales. It's very cool to see that high fantasy
Speaker 2: done in a way where you get both the darkness
Speaker 2: and the scariness of the monsters. But something that kind
Speaker 2: of blew me away when I was watching this is
Speaker 2: I really love the visual landscape the career of the world.
Speaker 2: It's very colorful, it's very saturated, and the colors are bright,
Speaker 2: and the world feels very textured. But they're not trying
Speaker 2: to make it look any different than the original Willow,
Speaker 2: which was like very woodsy and very nature based. And
Speaker 2: I just, yeah, it's really fun and I hope a
Speaker 2: lot of people I know in our discord there's definitely
Speaker 2: a few people who've checked out their original movie because
Speaker 2: they really liked the first couple of episodes, and I hope.
Speaker 1: An interesting movie too. I gotta say, like, when you
Speaker 1: watch the original Willow, I don't know how many people will,
Speaker 1: but the thing that struck me rewatching it recently was
Speaker 1: man Ron Howard wants you to see that they are
Speaker 1: not on a set like no, the scope of all
Speaker 1: the shots. There's very few close ups in that movie.
Speaker 1: It's all these like long shots where you see the
Speaker 1: background and you see the characters riding on a horseback
Speaker 1: across the hills, and you see the walls of the
Speaker 1: castle in the background of like the shot, and you
Speaker 1: see the characters head to toe in the in the frame.
Speaker 1: A really interesting visual style from Ron Howard, like really
Speaker 1: leaning into like the epic scale of it.
Speaker 2: Definitely I think a lot about even the opening I
Speaker 2: was watching it, so you have this really scary moment
Speaker 2: where you have the kitchen maid definitely nice echo there
Speaker 2: of what happens with Doff, but the kitchen maid who
Speaker 2: saves the bay be a Laura Dan and when she's
Speaker 2: just about to be killed so the prophecy can happen,
Speaker 2: and there's this huge chase through the woods and the
Speaker 2: death dogs are following her and it's really scary, and
Speaker 2: they kind of but before they get to her. The
Speaker 2: opening sequence with the tup where the title comes, it's
Speaker 2: just her chillin' on the side of a bank with
Speaker 2: the baby, and it just comes up next to it
Speaker 2: and just says Willow, and it's like, it feels like
Speaker 2: you're reading one of those incredible pages in any fantasy novel,
Speaker 2: whether it's something like star Dust or it's something like
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, it feels like the page where you're
Speaker 2: reading it, and it's the description of the trickling water
Speaker 2: and the leaves and the wind blowing through the branches.
Speaker 2: Like Willow really gets into that epic space that fantasy
Speaker 2: can give you. And I think that that's a fun
Speaker 2: thing about doing a TV show of it, is like
Speaker 2: you can have time to do your side quest. The
Speaker 2: movie does have that, like there's some funny stuff where
Speaker 2: they go to they go to a brothel to try
Speaker 2: and find somebody to take the baby, and that becomes
Speaker 2: its own of comedic side quest. But here you get
Speaker 2: to do a whole side quest episode and you have
Speaker 2: the fantasy side quest, you have the personal side quest.
Speaker 2: So it's really nice this to me. I reviewed it
Speaker 2: for IGN. I gave a very very glowing review no surprises,
Speaker 2: because I thought it was great. But one of the
Speaker 2: things I pointed out is this, to me feels like
Speaker 2: if you're going to have a platform like Disney Plus,
Speaker 2: this is what you should be doing, like taking weird
Speaker 2: underseen movies and giving them space to kind of expand
Speaker 2: the law and expand the world and introduce new characters
Speaker 2: and and kind of reimagine the these kind of tropes
Speaker 2: and fictional spaces. So yeah, I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's really fun. I'm very cozy, especially if you like
Speaker 2: fantasy already and you want to see a kind of
Speaker 2: adventure party story or a story where you can have
Speaker 2: recognizable tropes and plotlines and little ideas. It's very cozy
Speaker 2: and comforting in that way, even though it's you know,
Speaker 2: predominantly new characters.
Speaker 1: I have one more wrinkle to my mad martgre is
Speaker 1: the Crown theory, and it's that he put the curius on,
Speaker 1: he put the magical set of armor on. But like
Speaker 1: as Borman was telling us, the lucks are kind of
Speaker 1: the key that unlocks the suit of armor. It it
Speaker 1: can tell if you're worthy of what much like force hammer, right,
Speaker 1: he can tell if you're worthy of wearing it. So
Speaker 1: what happens if you're not worthy of wearing it and
Speaker 1: you put it on? You get trapped in it? I
Speaker 1: am is trapped in it.
Speaker 2: I love that that would be so great. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see where that could go. And kind of I
Speaker 2: feel like this episode especially leans into this idea of
Speaker 2: Kit is looking for Eric, but now she's realizing, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, I'm out of the castle for the first time,
Speaker 2: I can be looking for my dad. And I think
Speaker 2: this idea of where is Matt Martigan and what happened
Speaker 2: to him that's probably going to play a key part
Speaker 2: going into the next five episodes.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it helps us get around you know,
Speaker 1: Val Kilmer not being able to be in the film.
Speaker 1: Is this a suit of armor? Folks? Yeah, that's him.
Speaker 2: And if you want, you can the voiceover. And I
Speaker 2: believe now it's Vow's son who does all of his
Speaker 2: voiceover work for him. Yeah. I believe that that was
Speaker 2: something that had come out of a documentary recently, So
Speaker 2: I think that that's already established that he could if
Speaker 2: we wanted to have some voiceovers for Kit rather than
Speaker 2: necessarily a visual and Val did a very supportive He
Speaker 2: did a very supportive Instagram post recently about the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He you know, he met his eventually wife, Joanne
Speaker 1: wally Kilmer on Willow, So I'm sure it's a movie
Speaker 1: that is very special to him and they had you know,
Speaker 1: his son is his son with Joel Wally Kilmer. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that is This is a project. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that is special to him and we can't wait
Speaker 1: to continue following it over the course of the season.
Speaker 1: Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us on
Speaker 1: X ray Vision. Rosie, what do you have to plug?
Speaker 1: You mentioned all your writings on Willow lar Places. What
Speaker 1: else are you doing?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: Can you reveal anything of your secret project yet?
Speaker 2: Not yet, but soon, hopefully soon, because I did. I
Speaker 2: did just finish the first draft of said secret project,
Speaker 2: so fingers crossed it will be soon.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to know more about Willow, feel free.
Speaker 2: I wrote a bunch of different pieces. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a great Willow story in the new Den of
Speaker 2: Geek magazine. You can get that from your local comic
Speaker 2: book shop. I will be writing a really exciting cover
Speaker 2: story for Den of Geek in the new year. Too,
Speaker 2: which hasn't been announced yet, and same as always ign Polygon.
Speaker 2: We just put out the best Comics of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two at Polygon. I submitted really something about a film
Speaker 2: that I really loved called Slashback for a nerdost piece
Speaker 2: that will be out soon about the best underseen movies
Speaker 2: and TV of the year. So yeah, lots of fun
Speaker 2: stuff and always here and Rosie marks on Instagram and letterbox.
Speaker 1: Catch the next episode of x ray Vision on December
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Speaker 1: we gotta have them. We love them, meet them, we
Speaker 1: love to get them. Here's one from Anisha twenty one
Speaker 1: helps fill the gaps. I love this podcast so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you, so much, Anisha, Thank you. I love a
Speaker 1: lot of fandoms, but can't get into reading comics and
Speaker 1: high fantasy. They're just not for me. Listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast helps me fill in the gaps of my knowledge,
Speaker 1: form theories and DRU connections where I haven't seen them previously.
Speaker 1: Can't recommend it more.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show
Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Salt Rubin. The show
Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy rhard Are editing
Speaker 1: and sound design by Vasilli's Photopoulos. Dilon Villanueva and Matt
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