WEBVTT - Willow (1988) & Willow Disney+ Series

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for the first three episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of the Disney Plus series Willow, plus the original nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight film of the same name. Hello, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jason Concepcion and welcome to x Revision The Crooked podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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<v Speaker 1>and pop culture. In this episode, in the previously on,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be discussing the trailer for Indiana Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>the Dial of Destiny. Folks, I'm sure Rosie and I

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<v Speaker 1>will have a lot of thoughts about this trailer. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we will be discussing the latest trailer for the HBO

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<v Speaker 1>Max series The Last of Us, And in the airlock

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be discussing the Disney Plus series Willow, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course is a sequel to the nineteen eighty eight George

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas production of Willow, a movie that holds a special

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<v Speaker 1>place in the heart of my co host. She's the

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<v Speaker 1>number one comics historian, the number one Willow lover, the

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<v Speaker 1>number one Eternal's lover. That's right, folks, It's the great,

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<v Speaker 1>the powerful Rosie Marks.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie. Hey, I feel so happy to be somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>just loves so many things that's true. I am the number.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Willow so much. I'm really excited to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that show. We're actually talking about lots of things

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<v Speaker 2>that I love this week, as we do every week.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess how you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. I gotta say I'm enjoying the Willow Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the tone is really unique.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not like anything else. It's very unexpected at

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<v Speaker 2>like dropping in December as well. Yeah, you're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like okay, this show exists and it's totally

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<v Speaker 2>different from anything else that's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the sense you get quite strongly is that Disney

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<v Speaker 1>is like, we have very low expectations for what anybody's

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to this, So, you know, gravy as far as

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<v Speaker 1>they're concerned. I'm sure. I did have one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to raise because it was a I had a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation recently with some friends that were that were in London,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, we were talking about slang English slang, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to. I had to because I am I

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<v Speaker 1>have eternally been mystified by Geezer, which I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you heard in American English, you'd hear geezer. That Geezer

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd think that old man.

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<v Speaker 2>That's definitely how it is in American note in England,

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<v Speaker 2>the geezers like a guy and he's in the pub

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<v Speaker 2>and he's watching the football and he's drinking a pint

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<v Speaker 2>of beer and he's just like a geezer. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>out on the town causing some problems, Like he's a gezer.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is also just a gender term for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's a guy. It's kind of that weird space like

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<v Speaker 2>that it has connotations around like football and like lad

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<v Speaker 2>culture and drinking, but it is you can also just

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<v Speaker 2>be like a gezer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it's like any like adult slash middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>guy who acts like a lad.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, no, no, no. So it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those really weird things that I find, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you find this a lot in English language in general,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like this is one of my favorite topics.

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<v Speaker 2>I will literally explain any English, especially London specifics like no,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that's really interesting is like somebody can be

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<v Speaker 2>having a conversation and use the term gezer like you

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<v Speaker 2>would use mate. Like you can be like at the

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<v Speaker 2>pub and be like you're right gezer, Like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a way that you're just speaking to someone, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also means like if you think about the word gezer,

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely I feel like one of the reasons it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably came up is to do with like the World Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's like a football culture word as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So the idea of a geezer as somebody who like

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the pub, drinks a pine, like might be

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<v Speaker 2>getting a bit rowdy, like acting up, but it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not I would say, like adult can be from you

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<v Speaker 2>can be a gezer and be like eighteen to like seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, oh, however old, like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think it's a term of age specific, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>term of endearment also, right, Like it's not a negative

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<v Speaker 1>and you can describe to me as not a negative.

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<v Speaker 2>County if you're using it, I would say it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those interesting things where in the communities where you

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<v Speaker 2>would use it, it's not negative. But outside of it, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you were posh, you could look down on like

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<v Speaker 2>a geezer, like somebody acting like a gezer or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But like in the community, if you're in the pub,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not that's not negative.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just about geeze like if I'm friends with someone

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<v Speaker 1>and I refer to them as my gee as.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've called yeah, I know you could.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say the easiest universe us or word to

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense would be like mate. So if you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh mate or a geez that's normal. Anyone can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can do it almost like and in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of one of those interesting ones like guy,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the UK. That can also almost when you

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<v Speaker 2>use it in that phrase, become genderless. You're just like

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<v Speaker 2>a geez a mate. So yeah, that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good one. Oh Jason, bring more of these to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to explain slash. I miss it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's like bloke.

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<v Speaker 2>Then bloke is a more interesting thing because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't be like a my bloke, you know. Bloke

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<v Speaker 2>is more like that is a bloke that is like

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<v Speaker 2>a descriptive word about a man somebody can behave in

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<v Speaker 2>a blow key way though, so which is like again

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<v Speaker 2>is that kind of matcho specific vibe? But also bloke

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<v Speaker 2>is just literally a synonym for man. So England's annoying

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<v Speaker 2>like that, like not just in slang, but also in

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<v Speaker 2>all English language words. Every word has like five meanings.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for that catch up Rosie special. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who came out to our La Comic Con panel.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so great to meet you. It was so

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<v Speaker 1>great to talk to you. It was so much fun

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. That is just an environment where Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel very, very nash at home. You'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to hear that episode in a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>where we'll cover the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special

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<v Speaker 1>plus the recent Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>plus have a discussion with some good friends about the

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<v Speaker 1>state of the MCU up next. Previously on First and

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<v Speaker 1>previously on Folks. He's back. I know Harrison Ford is

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<v Speaker 1>eighty's the days as like seven planes over the last

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<v Speaker 1>ten years. But if you've been wondering where is Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Ford on my big screen ever since his run in

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<v Speaker 1>the final Star Wars trilogy, I need more Harrison Ford.

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<v Speaker 1>When will he come back? When will he bring Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Jones back to the screen. The answer is June thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, with the fifth installment of the Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Jones franchise. Indiana Jones in the Dial of Destiny, directed

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<v Speaker 1>by James man Goold, you might remember from Logan and

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<v Speaker 1>the equally excellent Three Tender Yuma. This movie is star

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<v Speaker 1>sing Harrison Ford, of course, Phoebe waller Bridge and Tonio

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<v Speaker 1>banderis uh and my immediate takeaway from this trailers when

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<v Speaker 1>it looks fun yes and two they just took Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Ford's head and digitally put it on like some guy's body. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for many of the many of not all of the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>So my understanding is that what they The thing that

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<v Speaker 2>excited me the most about this trailer was I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know John rees Davis was going to be in it,

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<v Speaker 2>love it, but they had John rees Davis's voice, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of my favorite Indiana Jones like ensemble characters,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was I was good. I was happy about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my understanding is there is a large part of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, the opening. Don't quote me on that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that I believe what I've read that is set earlier

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<v Speaker 2>on where they decided to digitally d Harrison Ford, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I just don't understand because casting a

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<v Speaker 2>younger Indiana Jones led us to one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>ever Indiana Jones casting of all Fimes River Phoenix as

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones. This is wonderful in the opening sequence is

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<v Speaker 2>so good, and to me, I think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>missed opportunity to just have like some cool younger guy

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<v Speaker 2>playing Indiana Jones. Don't know why they love to d

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<v Speaker 2>age people, but I believe that the opening sequence will

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<v Speaker 2>be younger Indiana Jones, like ten years before the movie's

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be set, and then we'll be in to

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<v Speaker 2>old Indiana Jones. So basically it's Irish man Indiana Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the synopsis. In nineteen sixty nine American Archaeologists

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<v Speaker 1>and adventure Indiana Jones lives against the backdrop of the

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<v Speaker 1>Space Race. Jones is uneasy over the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>US government has recruited former Nazi Is to help beat

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union in the competition to make It to

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<v Speaker 1>Space aka the Real Life Project.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, that's actually incredibly true to one of the American

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<v Speaker 2>history that everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>States, absolutely did.

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<v Speaker 2>Jones standing up against that rible choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Vernon Brahm, the architect of the American rocketry program, was

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<v Speaker 1>famously one of the pioneers of the V two rocket

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<v Speaker 1>system that the Nazis used to bombard London and other

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<v Speaker 1>targets in the British Isles during during that conflict known

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<v Speaker 1>as World War Two. Uh So that is the premise

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana Jones in the in the Swing and sixties. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait. I will say again, it's the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that is that throws me. And it's specifically the horse scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about this Chris. It's just like they

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<v Speaker 1>just took his head and they put it on a

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<v Speaker 1>different Dude's body looks literally it's unsettling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unsettling, and he is it looks like in that scene,

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<v Speaker 2>which is some kind of parade scene about the space race,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's being chased down by Boyd Holbrook, who's

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian actor who plays the Reaver, who played the

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<v Speaker 2>lead reaver in Logan. So there's a nice little little

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<v Speaker 2>Logan casting easter egg there. But yeah, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan of the d ag will be interesting. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess Phoebe waller Bridge plays his god daughter, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be like a muth esque secret Child.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingers cross redcon the recon shil above.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, you'll have a you know, he'll have a

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<v Speaker 2>Simpsons esque Oh no, Mark had to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>his own planet and he's up in the sky, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Mads Michaelson playing a Nazi. I mean, I always want

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<v Speaker 2>to see Indiana Jones beating up Nazis. It's what he

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<v Speaker 2>does best. It's what he's he's the best at, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need as many movies about people beating

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<v Speaker 2>up Nazis as possible. I love Harrison Fordham, glad he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting that money. I'm excited to see him being cranky

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<v Speaker 2>on the inevitable cranky press tour as he deserves to be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are they dialing? I don't know. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I need to know. What's the dial of destiny?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's getting dialed?

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<v Speaker 1>My Indiana Jones do just as you mentioned, he beats

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<v Speaker 1>up Nazis. Sometimes he just shoots them straight in Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>The The other thing that he is best in the

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<v Speaker 1>world at is stealing the precious cultural artifacts of some

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<v Speaker 1>other people. Yeah, and taking it to some random museum

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<v Speaker 1>in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, or just like a really weird warehouse, like

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<v Speaker 2>a giant warehouse. So something about Indiana Jones Raiders are

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<v Speaker 2>the lost art. Arguably, if he had not been in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie absolutely nothing different would have happened. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>one time when his intrinsic behavior of stealing things for

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<v Speaker 2>the government is not great temple of doom. He does,

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<v Speaker 2>he saves, he saves people. You know what. The movie

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot of problems, but gave us KiHa Kwan.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, you know what, at least that time he's

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<v Speaker 2>stealing for the right people. They probably need him to

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<v Speaker 2>steal it, but you know what, and then and then.

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<v Speaker 1>The last crusade, I mean it is potentially immortal after

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<v Speaker 1>jagging from the cup of Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, let's lean into that here.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a dalliance with a Nazi, so problematic figure, a

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<v Speaker 1>problematic I'm excited for this movie. I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of the Nina Jones. Even though I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>he is a thief. He is absolutely agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a thief. I long a criminal. I long

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<v Speaker 2>for the time that we get that. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be Indiana Jones, but a long time

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<v Speaker 2>people were fan casting Oscar iSER in an Indiana Jones

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<v Speaker 2>style role where he would essentially steal things back from

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<v Speaker 2>the museums and give them back to people and repatriot

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<v Speaker 2>like stolen objects I would love to see a pulpy

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones esque story like that on the big screen.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need to name Indiana Jones, though sometimes that

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<v Speaker 2>does make it easier to get that stuff made. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a space for that, because you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a thief.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next, The Last of Us the latest Last of

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<v Speaker 1>Us trailer, I would imagine this is probably the last

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<v Speaker 1>official Last of Us trailer. The show will premiere January

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth of twenty twenty three on HBO Max, starring Patro

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<v Speaker 1>Pascal as Joel, Bella Ramsey as Ellie, Gabrielle Luna as Tommy,

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<v Speaker 1>and a Torvas tests And of course, this is an

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<v Speaker 1>adaptation of the you know, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit yeah cultural phenomena.

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<v Speaker 1>Game The Last of Us the game of the same

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<v Speaker 1>name very and this looks great. This looks really good. This,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean captured the kind of vibe of the video

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<v Speaker 1>games that kind of like very tense, dark, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>to say gritty, but also but also a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>story with a real emotional core of relationship between an

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<v Speaker 1>older guy Joel and a young woman Ellie who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this develops into a father daughter relationship. I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see this A big fan of the video games, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks excited to watch the show looks great.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that one of the things that they really

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<v Speaker 2>capture in this trailer is that the hard thing to

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<v Speaker 2>recreate from the game is this mix of like this

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<v Speaker 2>really intimate character based story that feels very personal that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going along as you play the game, and the

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<v Speaker 2>huge scope of the apocalypse that they're going through. And

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<v Speaker 2>this trailer really got that for me. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of character beats. You get Ellie kind of having this

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<v Speaker 2>inappropriate humor moment that feels really true to the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you get the hints of the clickers and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks Yeah, it looks great. I also kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, because so much happened this year, I missed

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<v Speaker 2>how many unreal cast members this show has until recently

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<v Speaker 2>when they started releasing like everyone is just like a

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<v Speaker 2>killer bit of casting with the unreal amount of star power.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm very excited. And it had a very outrageous

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down version of Take on Me by Aha, which

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<v Speaker 2>definitely works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're not you know, like a creepy version

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<v Speaker 1>of a pop song always works. It's never not worked

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<v Speaker 1>in a trailer also, as we go into this again.

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<v Speaker 1>This show will premiere mid January twenty twenty three. One

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<v Speaker 1>of our plans for the future has to do a

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the story of the video game. Yeah, definitely

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<v Speaker 1>give us the video game as we're talking about the show,

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<v Speaker 1>so that should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're really excited to delve into that because it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that we both really just love and to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to talk about that and the show is a

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<v Speaker 1>We're stepping out of the airlock, folks, and into a

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy world created by George Lucas. From the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>George Lucas. We're talking about the show Willow, the adaptation

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<v Speaker 1>of the nineteen eighty eight film Willow, sequel to that

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<v Speaker 1>movie on Disney Plus. There are now three episodes out.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a movie and a show that I

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<v Speaker 1>think has a very special place in one Rosy Night's

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<v Speaker 1>heart and might as well. I love this movie. As

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I watched this movie a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It must have been something to do with its availability

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<v Speaker 2>on VHS or something, because the movie did not take

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<v Speaker 2>the box office by storm. It had a good opening weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't have the it didn't have the Star Wars effect,

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<v Speaker 2>the Indiana Jones effect, you know, which is why it's

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<v Speaker 2>taken thirty years to thirty four years to get a sequel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So, But there was something about it when

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<v Speaker 2>we were kids. It was just so prevalent. They probably

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<v Speaker 2>overprinted the vhs they needed to make back the money

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<v Speaker 2>and home video. But for me, this was one of

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<v Speaker 2>my most watched films. I mean, this was definitely one

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<v Speaker 2>of my entry points into horror and enjoying horror because

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<v Speaker 2>it's really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Seem scary. That creature work is is quite scary.

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<v Speaker 2>They have these these creatures called the death Dogs that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of they're the they're used by the evil Queen

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<v Speaker 2>bav Morda to hunt down people that she wants to find,

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<v Speaker 2>including the baby known as a Laura Dannon, who is

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<v Speaker 2>the main kind of chosen one protagonist of the film,

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<v Speaker 2>even though she's a baby. Uh. And the death Dogs

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<v Speaker 2>were just Rottweilers that they put these prosthetics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you watch and you're like, wow, they look

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<v Speaker 1>really those dogs because a dog dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they just would put this huge kind of

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<v Speaker 2>almost pig like wolf prostec And the opening of the

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<v Speaker 2>movie is these dogs and they're hunting down a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who's got the baby, and it is so scary, and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember just really loving that mixture of this scary

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<v Speaker 2>horror fantasy with this incredibly cozy woodland world where.

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<v Speaker 1>Will a very cozy world. Yeah, played by So that

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<v Speaker 1>movie came out in nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the interesting thing about it is that sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>was ruled the roost at that time, obviously Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>and the various knockoffs from Star Wars, the Star Trek

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<v Speaker 1>movie series which had gotten back into business, Alien Aliens, Terminator,

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<v Speaker 1>Terminator too, and it was a very, very fallow time

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<v Speaker 1>for fantasy at the box office. Now, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that there weren't many things that were released

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<v Speaker 1>that absolutely resonated with folks Dark Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>And even those they were like Dark Crystal that was

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<v Speaker 2>not a big blockbuster hit, it became a cult hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride also another movie that became a cult hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantasy was there, but it was not It had not

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<v Speaker 2>had that huge resurgence in the way that sci fi.

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<v Speaker 1>Had, and so it was really kind of a risk.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, George Lucas cashed in a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>chips in order to get this movie made. This was

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<v Speaker 1>not a movie that twenty Century Fox where anybody really

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to make. He swung a lot of deals

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<v Speaker 1>around the margins, with licensing, with marketing, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>the lessons that he had learned in monetizing Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>He brought to Beer Hero in order to get this

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<v Speaker 1>movie done, and then he was also going through divorce

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, which he poured a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like feeling into this place. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very this is a movie about the female characters in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very forward thinking in that way. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was speaking, I've done quite a lot of coverage about

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<v Speaker 2>Willow for Den of Geek, for their magazine and for

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<v Speaker 2>the website the new series. And it's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 2>because the new series had which we'll get to, has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like strong female characters and it's very diverse.

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<v Speaker 2>But the original movie is, like, the main villain is

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<v Speaker 2>an evil queen. One of the heroes ends up being

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter, who's a total badass warrior in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that you really hadn't seen at this point. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>a red Sonja esque warrior. I love red Sonya, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's not wearing a bikini. She's not you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>service of a man. She is like a hardcore badass.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have you know, Willow has a family.

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<v Speaker 2>He has his wife Kaya, he has his daughter Mims,

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<v Speaker 2>who plays who plays a role in the new show too.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a lot of time spent it as well

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<v Speaker 2>as a Laura Dannon who is the Chosen One, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a woman again moving away from that Luke Skywalker

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<v Speaker 2>kind of trope of the male Chosen One. It has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of really interesting, unexpected character choices, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, you know, this is a movie George Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>had wanted to tell for a long time, a story

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<v Speaker 2>he'd wanted to tell for a long time, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was when he cast Warwick Davis, who was only eleven

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<v Speaker 2>when he was cast in Return of the Jedi, I

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<v Speaker 2>found out recently, which just unbelievable. And then George realized

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<v Speaker 2>this could be a vehicle for Warwick in kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this star vehicle. So this is also a movie where

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<v Speaker 2>your heroic lead is a little person. And also, like

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>now probably one of the most well known little person

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>actors in the world. Warwick Davis just a total legend,

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 2>but back then he wasn't. And I think that that's

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>something we still don't really see. I can't think of

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>another movie that's a heroic that has a heroic role

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>with a little person or even a you know, a

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>disabled person in a lead role that was a major

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 2>blockbuster movie, and I just I love this movie so much.

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 2>It's this great mixture between like coziness and horror and fantasy.

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>And then you have the thing we haven't talked about,

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, this just absolutely ridiculous, out there

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>unforgettable performance by Val Kilma as Mad Martagan, and that

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 2>becomes the kind of central part. I was watching the

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>movie for this show and I was thinking, Oh my god,

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>like how much Mad Martagan Willow fanfic is there, because

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 2>they're basically like they pair them as like a husband

0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.919
<v Speaker 2>and wife on this D and D style adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting because you know, a lot of the

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>criticism of this movie was, oh, okay, Mad Martigan is

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>just Han solo, like this kind of rogue character warmed

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>over this charming Mad Martigan's a fucking asshole.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>He sucks. This is a truly complex yeah, Like this

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>is not some easy he is like a rogue ish

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 2>It's far more realistic than the hand because this is

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>like he sucks.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>He is an anti hero in the true sense of

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the world word, which is part of why I think

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the movie is. You know, the positioning of the characters

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>is really courageous. From Lucas because again, like the the

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the female heroes are really the center of this story.

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And while Mad Martigan has some great action scenes and

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>his you know, relationship with with Willow uh is part

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>of like the emotional engine of the story. It's a

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of their interactions are like Mad Martigan just like

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>calling Willow a peck.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's always and he's always towards him, and he's

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 2>always trying to like betray him. I think in Nojoy

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 2>this this feels to me a lot more like the

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 2>fantasy books that we've read and the kind of fantasy

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>stories that we get now, which is this D and

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>D party where you can have characters who are not trustworthy,

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>there's always one person who's trying to betray you, who

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>wants to get the treasure, who's doing it for their

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>own way. And obviously Mad Martigan's journey across this movie

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 2>is to realize, oh, there's something bigger at stake here,

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's this baby. Whether or not you believe she's

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a prophesized empress, she's just a little baby who needs help.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm here with my boyfriend Willow, and we're gonna

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>look after her, you know. And then you have this

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Sorcia played by joe An Warley, who's also in the

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>new series. She just has no time for Mad Martigan's shit.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>And it's such a joy to see this like enemies

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to lovers, like annoying. She's like, this guy is so

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>annoying that there's just something there and they both kind

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of come together over this great battle. And one of

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the most interesting things about Willow that I love that

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>comes into play heavily in the show is the end

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>of Willow. Willow's journey is he is. He's a Nelwyn,

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>which is what they call the community of people that

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>he lives in, and he wants to be a sorcerer,

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and his dream is to be a sorcerer, to be

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 2>an apprentice and to become a high sorcerer of his community. Right,

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>but he really just does like funny magic tricks when

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>he's at home. He doesn't really know how to do magic.

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>And the end of the movie, he does a magic

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>trick and he tricks Bavmorda into thinking he's made a

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Laura Dan and disappear, and then Bavmorda gets struck by lightning.

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>So Willow doesn't actually do any magic. He's not a

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>great sorcerer. He kind of does it off his own wits,

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>in his own wiles. It's very star Wars. He it's

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>very fun. But then thirty four years later, when you

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 2>have this show, which is probably set around twenty years afterwards,

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 2>everyone in the whole Kingdom of teraz Len thinks Willow

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>is this genius magic sorcerer, and the show is kind

0:29:56.520 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>of getting towards now this idea of like, well, we

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>know what really happened in the movie, so how do

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you deal with that when you're now positioning him back

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>into this magic and it's by again surrounding. There's a

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>great moment in the trailer that was kind of when

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I realized the show was really going to get me,

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.719
<v Speaker 2>which is like someone says to Willa, like, how are

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>you going to beat me? And he's like, like I

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>did last time with my friends, And I'm like, yeah,

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that's the point. Like it's just some ragtag group of

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 2>like people who are kind of outcast, kind of losers,

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like the the Party of Bandits who everyone is ignored,

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the sorcerer no one cares about, the female warrior no

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>one takes seriously, the rogue who's betrayed so many people

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>that they just left them in a skeleton, you know,

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>cage to kind of rot away. Oh, actually, if we

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>come together, we can do something. And I just think

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>that's so much fun. And it's again, it kind of

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>leans into those like you mentioned, you know, Dark Crystal Legend.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>All those movies were at the time, they didn't necessarily

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>make a huge waves, but now you watch them and

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>you're like, these movies are so long and so complex

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>and so strange, and that's really what fantasy should be.

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's why Willow Is always kind of

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>stood the test of time. For me and John Kasdan,

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>who is the showrunner of the New Willow series, and

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>who's you know, His dad is Lawrence Kasdan. His brother's

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Jake cas Down, So they're like Lucas phil Films Royalty.

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>But he was like us. He was just somebody who

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>watched it so many times as a kid, and he

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>just loved it. And when he was the little kid,

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was like, wait, I don't understand why

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>isn't there a sequel because we don't understand the notion

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of box offices and stuff, you know. And I felt

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the same way as a kid. I rewatched my VHS

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 2>so many times, and I sort of couldn't believe that

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't another film.

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>As we were saying, I think that the lesson that

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the industry took from Willow, which was a modest It

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>was a modest success, but certainly not what people had

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>associated with the name George Lucas. I think the lesson

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that the industry took was that fantasy is not well viable,

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>is not where the market is now. Sci Fi is

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>where the market is now. An increasing trend towards comic

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>book material is where the market is now. And it

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be until the appearance of Lord of the Rings

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to really show that fantasy can still sell tickets at

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the box office, because you know, it had come all

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the way back around in terms of sci fi with

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the matrix, which is basically like Star Wars of the

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Internet era, Jurassic Park, et cetera. You know, there was

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>just not you never. The eighties was a rich time

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for fantasy content. Certainly not successful in the eyes of

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the industry, but the movies were good.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>And they became huge hits.

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but after Willow, that was kind of it for

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the next ten years. Okay, let's get into the show

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Willow Episodes one, two, three is what we're gonna cover.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's what we'll just do a quick catchup on the

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>first two episodes before we.

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Get to.

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Episode three. Episode one The Gales, written by Jonathan Cast

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:16.959
<v Speaker 1>and directed by Stephen Wolfenden. This introduces us to our

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>our new cast of characters in the Willow series. They

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:26.479
<v Speaker 1>include Princess Kit, who is the daughter of Queen Sortia,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>who is in turns herself the daughter of the evil

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>bav Morda from the Willow movie and now ruling Tira Slean.

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>She her best friend is a warrior named Jade. They

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>trained together all the time and clearly there are there

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>are real feelings between those two real.

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>And Jade is played by Aaron Kellyman who we're a

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>huge fan of on the show Hit and his Nest

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>from the end of Solo, one of the best but

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>shortest character introductions. Then you know a part in Falcon

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the Winter Soldier, but again it was kind of a

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 2>cut short role. This role really gives her a lot

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>of meat and she gets to kind of be the

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>shining night in this medieval inspired kind of story. And

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna Kit is the very much like, I'm not

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>like other girls. Princess. Her dad is Mad Martigan, her

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>mother is Sorcia Mad Martigan. Where is he?

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>He went off on a thing and he never came back.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>So she's very much in that space. But she's gonna

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>have to get married off to a prince called Graydon

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 2>and played by Tony Revlorie Flash Thompson from Spider Man,

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and you can get the feeling right.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>He's a nice enough guy, but he's either one of them,

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>and they both recognize that politically it's important to go

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>through this marriage, but neither of them are particularly passionate

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:34:56.520 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't know each other to each other, and

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>there is a party to celebrate this impending marriage. It

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of all goes awry when Kit's twin brother, Prince Eric,

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 2>who is named after Eric, who is Mad mart Again's

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 2>friend who died heroically in the original movie, Rigaler, a

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>sassy hero, he was wonderful and.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Eric Eric has a lot of the Mad mark. It's

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 1>like the the roguishness of Mad Martigan without the kind

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of swordsmanship.

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>He's never had to go out on an adventure he is.

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 2>He's living his life. He's he's promiscuously making his way

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 2>through the castle staff. He's he's a lover boy. Also,

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Dempsey Brick, who plays him, looks a lot like young Valkil,

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>So this casting is like really wild, lo and behold

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 2>if you're just wearing a floaty shirt and like sleeping

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>with lots of girls, apparently in this world, that means

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get kidnapped by these nightmare irish creatures

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the Gales, And that happens. He gets swept up by

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a giant scary bird, and Kit is like, well, not

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>having that, I'm off to save my brother. And surprisingly,

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>her mother, who was just recently you know, desperate to

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 2>get her into this arranged marriage, is like, actually that's

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a great idea.

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go do it.

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Go do it. You go go with Kate, go with Jade,

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 2>your best bud. Now.

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>An interesting wrinkle here is that Eric has been messing

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>around with a particular member of the household staff, a

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>wonderful cook named Dove, and we discover at the end

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of episode one, when our group encounters Willow Willow Ofughgood

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of the movie Fame, he touches Dove's arm. Dove was

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>not meant to be with this group. She kind of

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>snuck away because she wants to. You know, she has

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>really fallen for Eric, even though she's unsure of the

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>way he feels about her. She just wants to find him.

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And Willow, sensing something about Dove, places his hand on

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>her arm, revealing a sign. And guess what, folks, the

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>long lost Empress Laura dan and the true Empress is

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>this kitchen maid done.

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>So this is actually terrible news as much as everyone's

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>been waiting for her to survive, because basically, Sorcia mad Martigan,

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the whole of Terrace Lean has essentially kept Elaura Dannon secret.

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>They hid her away, they pretended that they didn't know

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>who she was, and they raised her in these kitchens

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>as a kitchen girl so that she would not be

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>in any danger and evil would not be able to

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 2>find her. But now, lo and behold, she's off on

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>an adventure, trying to go to the end of the

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 2>earth to find her boyfriend. And she's very committed and

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 2>she's going to do it. And team is rounded out

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 2>by a really just unbelievably great addition who Queen Sorcia

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>forces on the group, and his name is Borman and

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 2>he's played by ama Chada Patel and he is so

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 2>good and he's definitely channeling your biggest Mad Margan energy.

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 1>He is like the he is the Marshall Mad Martigan, Yeah,

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>brought to life here, the exact warrior with the quips,

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>who you know is an adventurer and is definitely not

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 1>the do everything by the book guy.

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>No, and they do something I really think is so great.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>This definitely is in that space of what Jadmin Sivoid

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Brown's character in Scream five coined as the requell. This

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>is it's the sequel that's also the reboot that introduces

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 2>new characters, but you have to have the old characters.

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>And this show does something really lovely, which is it

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>spends a lot of time connecting those threads and Borman

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>is not just oh, we're going to make this guy

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>pretend to be Mad Martigan. No, he channels the spirit

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.359
<v Speaker 2>of Mad mart again. And as we get into the show,

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>you learn why because he was friends with him, and

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that's actually how Sorsa gilts him into going on this

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>trip with this group of kids, this kind of ya

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>adventure party, because she's like, don't forget about your old friend,

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, In that first episode ends boom a Laura

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Danon is there. Willow's stoked to see her, but also

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 2>like the whole now when people all live underground now

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>because of how bad things have got. So it's not

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 2>looking very hopeful. But Kid's not gonna let her brother

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>be kidnapped. She's she's ready for the fight.

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>In episode two, we get some extra wrinkles here. Laura

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 1>is trying to learn some magic with the help of Willow.

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Willow is being very cagy about his own magic abilities

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>at this particular time. Yes, and more on that in

0:39:53.440 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>episode three. And then Laura gets kidnapped by one of

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the commanders of the tears Lean Guard, Commander Valentine, who

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 1>it turns out has been possessed yes, we guess by

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>these Gaels who attacked the castle. They touched him or

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>were able in some way to bring him under their him.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Almost with this, he kidnaps Laura and goes away. So

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>now we're on a double search. We're looking for Eric,

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.800
<v Speaker 1>but we also got to get the true Empress Laura

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:30.479
<v Speaker 1>dan and back.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that leads us to episode three, which the

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>funnest thing about this is this is a show that

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel really deeply understands kind of where fantasy is

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two and what people want to see,

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>because episode three essentially is a side quest, which is

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>like everybody's favorite thing to do in any kind of

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>fantasy RPG or like a tabletop game. So I love

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that they were like side quest episode. It's like a

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 2>really it's a really fun little trope, and this is

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>why you really start digging in. So we're going to

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>do the real recap for this one.

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>So we open on a flashback ten thousand years ago.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>This is a story that is being recounted by Borman

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to Princess kit and he is telling the story of Thule,

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 1>who was the scion of the king of Chimeria, but

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>he was seen as weak by his brother Tiberius, and

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>so Tiberius decided, you know what, I think I should

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 1>be a king instead, and therefore I'm going to lay

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>siege to the capital of Chimeria. Annabelle, the mother of

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>both of these young men, to protect her son, Thule

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>forges a set of magical armor that locks with a

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>special key called the Luxarkana that will only allow those

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 1>worthy of the defensive power of this armor to wear it.

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.919
<v Speaker 1>Thule then goes to ride out alone wearing the armor

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to face his brother and his brother army of death dealers,

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 1>but before Borman can tell the rest of the story,

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Kid is like, I'm fucking bored.

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 4>Man.

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 3>She's like this boring, yeah, and this is the point

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of this story.

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 2>She's like, please just get to the pop about my dad.

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you knew my dad. So what is up

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>with that? Where you get and Borman then says, uh,

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and this is what you were talking about, which is

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>this understanding of where fantasy is in twenty twenty two.

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.919
<v Speaker 1>Borman then says a line that is a wonderful wink

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to the audience. Your generation has zero attention span for

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>epic tales.

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so much fun that that line. I'm so

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 2>glad you picked out because that really sums up to

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>me how this is. If there's one thing that this

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 2>is most influenced by Tonally, I would say it's the

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride, because the thing they didn't really get into

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 2>so far is the show is very fantastical. It's really

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>beautifully shot. It was all shot on location in Wales,

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>so it's really colorful and doesn't really look like anything else.

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's also just very funny and like intentionally funny

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and consistently meta and winking and also just like classically silly.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a breeziness to it that is, you know, when

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you think fantasy, right, you think English accents, you know,

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 1>this kind of like Shakespearean kind of approach. That is

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>not the case with this. Ellie Bamper, who plays a

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Laura Dannon, is a British access using an American accent.

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, Like it's very much the opposite of what

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you would expect, Like there's not the kind of fussiness

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>yea of the normal kind of fantasy.

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Almost like it's almost like, and this is coming from me,

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>is a big like compliment, but it's almost like casual fantasy.

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like it's like when you watch something

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 2>like Game of Thrones. You got to watch that first

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>season and you have to learn every single family and

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 2>political group and the way that they're connected and the

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years of history that shape them, which we love.

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>That's literally what we love to talk about. But this

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>is one of those shows where I feel like anyone

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>could just put it on and kind of vaguely recognize

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the archetypes but not feel like there's too much. And

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 2>that partially comes from the fact that Willow is one

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 2>movie that came out thirty four years ago, going you know,

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>touching on one of mine and Jason's favorite topics aka

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the X Men. There are three Willow novels written by

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>none other than Chris Claremont that expand the law of

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the story. But even then, you're talking about three books,

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 2>the third one which is incredibly hard to find that

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>most people haven't read, and one movie, so there is

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of law. You can have that breeziness,

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 2>that kind of fun of expanding the idea of what

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>the show is well, kind of using it as a

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>vessel to sort of nod to the things that we

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>really like and enjoy about fantastic.

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that about it. It's a very very

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>easy and fun watch. Okay. So basically Borman is like, Okay,

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>here's the deal. You, your dad, Morgan, and I were

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to find this armor at one point in time

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>in order to defend Tira's lean from this the evil

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Crone that we are currently sort of in a mission against,

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, right now, even though our real mission is

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>find Laura Dennon and find Eric Commander Ballantine of Tira's Lean.

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>He has a Laura prisoner. He has been possessed by

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 1>the Gaels. Jade finds him just as he's getting on

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>his horse with a Laura and he's like, listen, I'm

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>He tries to kind of play it off, you know,

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, I'm working for the Queen. I'm working

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 1>for Queen Sortia, you know, a Laura's mom, and it

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 1>was my job to take a Laura back home, and

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:43.839
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm doing. And then Willow shows up and says, well, yeah,

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 1>that may be the case, but a Laura should only

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>go home if she wants to go home. And she's

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>unconscious over the back of your horse right now, it

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like she's doing anything that she actually wants

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to do. It should be her decision. So the whole

0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>party shows up, you know, Willow's friend Silas is Patriots

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Silas Prince Grayden, Boorman Kit and they take out their

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>swords and we get a big fight, but Valentine and

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>his men get away with a Laura in this kind

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of in the confusion. After Willow attempts to do some

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of like magic spell all he does is really

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of cause a lot of smoke to be to

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>be thrown up, and by the time the smoke clears,

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a Laura and Commander Valentine are gone. Willow then tells

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.720
<v Speaker 1>them that Valentine's men have been overtaken by evil magic

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>and this is the work of the Gales. All of

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, we hear the voice of the Crone speaking

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>through these storm clouds on the horizon, and the Crone,

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we learn, does not want to kill Laura because Laura

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>can't really be killed, like her energy is instructible. You kill, yeah, now.

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>She's not You could have killed a baby, but now

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you can't really kill.

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, you can't do anything else. You might banish

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 1>her from the from the world for a while, but

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>she'll just be reborn again. What you need to do,

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and what the Crone wants to do, is as an adult,

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>take her prisoner and therefore remove her light energy from

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the world, and that's how you could rule this land.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>This is exactly what bav Morda was trying to do

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 1>in the original movie. Elsewhere a Laura manages to get

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>free of Commander Balentine, she runs into the woods and

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>while this is happening. Our hero's wagon has broken down.

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 1>We get a nice nod to the kind of lucasfilm

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a DNA of this when so the wagon wheel is

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.879
<v Speaker 1>like falling off the wagon and they're trying to figure

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 1>out how to fix it, and Borman is like, well,

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>hold on, you're a sorcerer, can't you just like lift

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:45.919
<v Speaker 1>it with magic? And Willow is like, no, we can't

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 1>do that, although there's going to be other reasons why

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 1>he can't use his magic right now that will tell

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you in a second. In the forest, while Willow and

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Borman and Silas are trying to figure out what's up

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 1>with the wagon wheel, Kit and Jay are having a

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>much needed conversation. They haven't really had a moment a

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:08.839
<v Speaker 1>loan since they've started this adventure, and the last kind

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>of real interaction between them was when you know, Kit

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 1>was being introduced to her future husband, Prince Graydon, and

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Jade was feeling not great about it, and Kit was

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>also feeling really shitty about it, and they basically had

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>an argument.

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Jade wanted Jade was gonna become the first

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 2>woman to have been able to train as a knight,

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 2>but it would have meant leaving Kit, and Kit was

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 2>feeling very Kit was very spoilt about it and caused

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>the big drama and it was a huge moment. And

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 2>now they're having a conversation because Ballentine, who is the

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 2>evil now evillly possessed man who stole really jas and

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Laura Danet, he's Jade's mental He raised her. Jade was

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>raised as an orphan in the palace and it has

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>been most of her life. Ballentine has been that father

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>figure and has trained out how to fight. So, yeah,

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna need to die.

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>So Kit is saying to Jade exactly that listen, if

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.080
<v Speaker 1>we face balance again, you've got to be ready to

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 1>kill him without hesitation. And Jade is like, I wasn't hesitating.

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I was focused on trying to save your life. And

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Kid is like, I'm a good I'm actually a good fighter,

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>which you don't think I can hold my own and

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't need saving. And Jade then tells Kit, and

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:34.320
<v Speaker 1>we're in really big reveal that you know, basically saying, well,

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you're a good fighter. I always I've been helping you

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 1>be a good fighter. And by the way, your mom

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>ordered me to basically be your friend in order to

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>train you to become a good fighter. And Kit is

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:50.800
<v Speaker 1>shaken at this, and you know, Jade tries to soften

0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it by saying, yeah, but then you know, I developed

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.440
<v Speaker 1>feelings for you since, like it became a real friendship

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and obviously something more. But Kit doesn't want to hear this.

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>In the world, it's Laura, you know, goes through these

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of dark and shadowy woods to this sunny clearing

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and she finds this this cabin and two woodswomen living there,

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Hubert and Anne. A. Laura is panicked, you know, she

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know if Valentine and the rest are right on

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>her heels. And she's telling these women like these bad

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 1>men are coming. They're wicked men. They want to take

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 1>me prisoner, they may kill you and whatever. And Hubert

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and Anne are just like, hey, do you want to

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:26.800
<v Speaker 1>eat some roasted mushrooms?

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about it, like it's fine, that's a good

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Elsewhere, our heroes with the wagon are struggling. They're lost

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>in the storm. They decide, okay, we're going to cover

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.759
<v Speaker 1>more ground if we split up. Kit specifically orders the

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>teams so that she and Jade will be searching separately

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>back to the Woods, Laura tells the Woods women that

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's funny you mentioned Laura danon Ladies because

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I am a Laura Dannon. I know, it's weird by

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 1>the way, I just found it out. I'm still processing

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>that myself. It's kind of a honestly, it's kind of

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>like been a huge mind fuck, but yeah, it's true.

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I am a Laura dan And they're like, oh, let

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>us see the mark. Then show us the mark on

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the arm if you really learned. She raises her sleeve,

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 1>shows them the mark, and now all of a sudden,

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>these women are like, holy shit, you're the true Empress.

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 2>This is what they've been waiting for.

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>We've been waiting for this. There's legends about this, there's

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 1>legends about what will happen. And they realize, oh, that

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 1>means you really are in danger, and if you're the

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>true Empress, that means that we should join you in

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:34.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever adventure.

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Whatever You've got us on side.

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 1>We have your back. We let's get out of here

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 1>before these men show up. Let's get you somewhere safe.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Laura says, no, no, no, we can't go somewhere safe

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and just hold up. I have to rescue my boyfriend

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Eric from the crone. They're like, okay, fine, we're gonna

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>help you. Before they can do anything, Commander Valentine shows

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 1>up immediately, and I mean like almost mediately, he kills Hubert.

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:01.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's such a shame too, because Hubert just goes

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 2>full badass. Hubert pulls out an axe. Hubert hits Ballentine

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>with it, and everyone's like, oh my god, Hugh, but

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you're so cool, like I can't believe you did that.

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>And then Ballentine lo and behold, he's basically a zombie

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>because he's been possessed by the evil of the Liches

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and the Gaels. So then he just kills Huba r

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I p.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Huba Hubert Hubert played by the Great hadn't Hannah Wadding

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 1>yea fame? Uh And and you see her and you're thinking, oh,

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>she's gonna be around for a little while. Nope, not

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:39.240
<v Speaker 1>even an episode. R I p r ip to Hubert. Quickly,

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>both women are cut down and goes down in quick

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>quick order right after that, and the commander promises Laura

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that more will die unless you come with us. You

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 1>have to come with us or your friends will continue

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to get cut down. Kit and Borman continue their conversation

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 1>about mad Martgan. You know, why did Borman return from

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>their adventures in man Martigan didn't? Where is my dad?

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>What happened? Borman kind of insinuates that something there was

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.879
<v Speaker 1>some kind of fight that was deadly, because he says

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I got lucky, basically saying, you know, your dad didn't

0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>get so lucky. They're looking at this kind of like

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.759
<v Speaker 1>storm surging all around them, and they start thinking, you know,

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we're in the middle of this dark energy, this dark storm.

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe what we need is some light. Maybe what we

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>need is that magical armor that I was telling you

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.360
<v Speaker 1>about at the top of this episode. Meanwhile, back with

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the Wagon, Grayden tells Jade, hey, have you noticed, like

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.439
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that Willow's magic isn't Like he didn't want

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to he didn't want to lift the wagon, and then

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>when he used a spell when Valentine showed up, it

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 1>really was not it didn't work. Really, I'm worried that

0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Willow's magic is I'm willing we're that Will's magic is fading?

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Is that the case? And it turns out it is.

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.919
<v Speaker 1>We then see Willow have a conversation with his friend

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.319
<v Speaker 1>silas where he's basically saying, hey, I don't have much

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 1>magic left. I need to save every drop of energy,

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>magical energy that I have left in order to beat

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the crone when we face her, in order to save

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 1>a Laura Dan, and I can't waste all this. Suddenly

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:29.839
<v Speaker 1>we have an answer on why. Willow, you know who

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 1>has been bragging about what a great sorcery is ever

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.959
<v Speaker 1>since he's arrived in this story. He's been talking about

0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:36.399
<v Speaker 1>it a lot.

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>He asked to that's the game that he has to play,

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and all the interesting thing is he he is very

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>wary of the future. He has these visions and he

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 2>is seeing something that he feels like he can't stop,

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 2>but he wants to, so he's saving his magic. And

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that is like you said, why he's you know, just

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.320
<v Speaker 2>lift the car. I know, I can't tell that much magic,

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit.

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Like as you said, he has. Will as he's talking

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.360
<v Speaker 1>to his friend, has a flash of a vision and

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he realizes that he knows where they need to go.

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>We go to Borman and Kit. They come to a graveyard.

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>This Borman says is probably where the armor is, somewhere

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.480
<v Speaker 1>in the tunnels of this Necropolis, and they decide to

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 1>go down in there. Laura, meanwhile being held by Captain Balentine,

0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:27.000
<v Speaker 1>decides enough is enough. I'm a I've just learned that

0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I am the true Empress. That means that I have

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>magical power, and in fact, I have almost infinite magical

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 1>power if I can just get in touch with it.

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Willow is trying to teach me an incantation. Maybe it'll work.

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:41.879
<v Speaker 1>She uses a little bit of her magic to get

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 1>one of Balentine's goon's away from her, and then she

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:48.560
<v Speaker 1>starts the incantation that will taught her. That is, we imagine,

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>supposed to call some sort of like magical protectors to

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.959
<v Speaker 1>fight for her. Nothing happens, but then her friends Grade

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and Jade, Willow and Silas Actually so.

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I did by.

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Jade begs Ballentine if he's in there her mentor to

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:10.959
<v Speaker 1>let her help him, help him get free, and he's

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like no. They lower their the their helms and they

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 1>get in another big fight, another big sword fight. All

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the while down in the graveyard, kitt and Wormon are

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 1>getting chased by wear rats.

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just like they are on the side quest

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and it is not going well.

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Kit is not going well. There is no hint of

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>this magical armor, and in.

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Fact, they like it eat very shady stuff, like he

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 2>keeps going off by himself, and Kit's kind of left

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 2>not really understanding what's going on. And then of course

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 2>there are the wear rats.

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, back at the fight. Laura is like, Willow, we

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 1>need your sorcery. You've been talking a big game.

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 2>There's a magic.

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Is the fucking magic, let's go. He is like making

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>an excuse that you know, the sense we get is

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 1>man that Willow's gas tank must be on empty. But

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>then he uses this well anyway, and it is quite impressive.

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Valentine's men are like torn apart by this. Valentine himself

0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 1>is like bathed in this very destructive energy and he

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>falls to the ground. We see, you know, in the

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>wake of this, that Silas has been wounded in the fighting,

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and then he dies heartbreakingly in Willow's arms. And Valentine

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>now mortally wounded, like he's done. But he's back to

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 1>himself now and he talks to Jade. He's telling her, listen,

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you have to protect a Laura. Now that she's back,

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>she has to be protected. Here's what's up with the Crone.

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 1>The Crone is terrified of a Laura. You have to

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>take a Laura to the immorial city, and that if

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you do that and protect her, you can defeat the Crone.

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>And that's it, and then tyras Lean will be safe forever.

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And now that I've told you everything that I know,

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I need you to kill me because I'm not going

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to make it. And Jade, with Tyrs in our eyes,

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 1>finishes him off. There's a storm there in this place

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.720
<v Speaker 1>called the Pitiless Path, which is now flooding because they're

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of this like terrible rainstorm. They see

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a set of steps going up the hill and Borman's like,

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where we're going, but I see a

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 1>set of steps that gets us out of this floodplain,

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going up there. And they end up like

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>on this mesa on the top of this mountain with

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 1>this very very very very scary city in the in

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the distance, and they're all like, where the fuck are we?

0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>We have no idea where this is. But Willow knows

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>because he was there in Willow the movie.

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:38.439
<v Speaker 2>He was knockmar don don the place of a Laura.

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Donnan, You're absolutely right. This is like a it's almost

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like a y E take on fantasy. It's super super fun.

0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really fun. It's like I love the I

0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think that the thing that makes it stand out to me.

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I love anything YA really like. I read a lot

0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.280
<v Speaker 2>of YA books. I love stories where they tell them

0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>through the lens of young characters. I think it's a

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 2>really interesting way to reinvigorate a franchise or to tell

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>a new story. I loved you know, the Force Awakens.

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I love the Lost Jedi. But what I think is

0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>really cool here is that fun mixture between the new characters.

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.360
<v Speaker 2>But still this is a Willow show, so you have

0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Willow there, and the way that they kind of tie

0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 2>them together in this this D and D esque against idea,

0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 2>it just feels really like different and very fun, and

0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's really I think that you were spot on

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 2>when I when I spoke to John Casden about making

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 2>the show, he was sort of making jokes about how

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:40.920
<v Speaker 2>nobody really knows about Willow. You know, it's not a

0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.800
<v Speaker 2>high kind of profile property. And I think that in

0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the way that you mentioned that probably gave them a

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of free reign under the Disney banner. And you know,

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 2>In my interview with him for den If Geek, he said, like,

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.080
<v Speaker 2>this wouldn't have happened without Disney. Plus they needed ip,

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 2>they needed content, so he got to take this swing

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 2>and make something that does feel really different, and it

1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's a great holiday show, but it does

1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:04.760
<v Speaker 2>make me laugh because I'm just like, you just drop

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 2>this casually on November thirtieth, and it's just so different

1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:12.720
<v Speaker 2>to anything else that Disney, Plass or any other streamers

1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 2>really doing. It's it's very fun and I'm really excited

1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to kind of continue the journey with these characters, especially

1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Jade and Kick, because we're really getting to see this

1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 2>friendship growing into something more between them, and you're getting

1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the fun of like a Laura and Grayden, and you

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>get to see all these different little relationships that are building.

1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.560
<v Speaker 2>And something I think is really special is, you know,

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like val Kilma is going to be

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 2>able to be in this season. He's had a lot

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of health issues.

1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Must they do something else?

1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, at cast exactly or have you know? But

1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:50.040
<v Speaker 2>what I think is really interesting is they are very

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.120
<v Speaker 2>keen to keep the instead of just being like mad

1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Margan died. Yeah, most of the legacy characters here are

1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:02.600
<v Speaker 2>deeply connected to Mad Martigan. Jade has a Mad Martagan

1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:04.840
<v Speaker 2>esquing us about her because Jade is a knight who

1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:07.680
<v Speaker 2>wants to fight and wants to be there and will

1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.640
<v Speaker 2>do anything, and Jade kind of has this mysterious past

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.160
<v Speaker 2>just like Mad Martigan. Then you have Boorman, who's obviously

1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 2>your standard Mad Margan. Then you have Kit, who is

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.440
<v Speaker 2>also connected to Mad Martigan and who much of her

1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.600
<v Speaker 2>journey is really driven by wanting to find out what

1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.840
<v Speaker 2>happened to her dad. So it's really interesting that even

1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:26.520
<v Speaker 2>though the character might not be appearing in the show,

1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you still there's no easy writing that out. They've just

1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:34.800
<v Speaker 2>decided to embrace that character and kind of the legacy

1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of Vow's performance and build it in in different ways,

1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:39.960
<v Speaker 2>which I think is really inventive and very comic.

1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Bookie, I have a theory that the Crone is a man,

1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's Mad Martigan who he's trying to get his

1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 1>kids back. He just wants to spend time, That's why

1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.520
<v Speaker 1>he wants That's why he kidnapped Eric. He would love

1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to kidnap a Laura Dan and because he's start in.

1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:59.080
<v Speaker 2>The Memorial City so he can't. Wow, that's terrifying, and

1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I love it. That would be so good. That would

1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:03.720
<v Speaker 2>be so good. Yeah. And I think that's another fun

1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.120
<v Speaker 2>thing is that we didn't even really touch on is

1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that we haven't seen the Crone yet, but the character

1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:14.600
<v Speaker 2>designs so far for the scary monsters are like legitimately scary.

1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:15.400
<v Speaker 2>One of them looks like.

1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:16.880
<v Speaker 1>A how raised really terrifying.

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you have you know, the flying monsters,

1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the gales. It's very cool to see that high fantasy

1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:28.360
<v Speaker 2>done in a way where you get both the darkness

1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and the scariness of the monsters. But something that kind

1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:32.600
<v Speaker 2>of blew me away when I was watching this is

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<v Speaker 2>I really love the visual landscape the career of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very colorful, it's very saturated, and the colors are bright,

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<v Speaker 2>and the world feels very textured. But they're not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make it look any different than the original Willow,

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<v Speaker 2>which was like very woodsy and very nature based. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just, yeah, it's really fun and I hope a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people I know in our discord there's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a few people who've checked out their original movie because

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<v Speaker 2>they really liked the first couple of episodes, and I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>An interesting movie too. I gotta say, like, when you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the original Willow, I don't know how many people will,

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<v Speaker 1>but the thing that struck me rewatching it recently was

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<v Speaker 1>man Ron Howard wants you to see that they are

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<v Speaker 1>not on a set like no, the scope of all

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<v Speaker 1>the shots. There's very few close ups in that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all these like long shots where you see the

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<v Speaker 1>background and you see the characters riding on a horseback

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<v Speaker 1>across the hills, and you see the walls of the

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<v Speaker 1>castle in the background of like the shot, and you

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<v Speaker 1>see the characters head to toe in the in the frame.

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<v Speaker 1>A really interesting visual style from Ron Howard, like really

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<v Speaker 1>leaning into like the epic scale of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely I think a lot about even the opening I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching it, so you have this really scary moment

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<v Speaker 2>where you have the kitchen maid definitely nice echo there

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens with Doff, but the kitchen maid who

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<v Speaker 2>saves the bay be a Laura Dan and when she's

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<v Speaker 2>just about to be killed so the prophecy can happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's this huge chase through the woods and the

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<v Speaker 2>death dogs are following her and it's really scary, and

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of but before they get to her. The

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<v Speaker 2>opening sequence with the tup where the title comes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just her chillin' on the side of a bank with

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<v Speaker 2>the baby, and it just comes up next to it

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<v Speaker 2>and just says Willow, and it's like, it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>you're reading one of those incredible pages in any fantasy novel,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's something like star Dust or it's something like

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<v Speaker 2>Game of Thrones, it feels like the page where you're

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<v Speaker 2>reading it, and it's the description of the trickling water

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<v Speaker 2>and the leaves and the wind blowing through the branches.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Willow really gets into that epic space that fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>can give you. And I think that that's a fun

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<v Speaker 2>thing about doing a TV show of it, is like

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<v Speaker 2>you can have time to do your side quest. The

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<v Speaker 2>movie does have that, like there's some funny stuff where

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<v Speaker 2>they go to they go to a brothel to try

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<v Speaker 2>and find somebody to take the baby, and that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>its own of comedic side quest. But here you get

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<v Speaker 2>to do a whole side quest episode and you have

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<v Speaker 2>the fantasy side quest, you have the personal side quest.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really nice this to me. I reviewed it

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<v Speaker 2>for IGN. I gave a very very glowing review no surprises,

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<v Speaker 2>because I thought it was great. But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I pointed out is this, to me feels like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to have a platform like Disney Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what you should be doing, like taking weird

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<v Speaker 2>underseen movies and giving them space to kind of expand

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<v Speaker 2>the law and expand the world and introduce new characters

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<v Speaker 2>and and kind of reimagine the these kind of tropes

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<v Speaker 2>and fictional spaces. So yeah, I think it's I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's really fun. I'm very cozy, especially if you like

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy already and you want to see a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>adventure party story or a story where you can have

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<v Speaker 2>recognizable tropes and plotlines and little ideas. It's very cozy

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<v Speaker 2>and comforting in that way, even though it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>predominantly new characters.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one more wrinkle to my mad martgre is

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<v Speaker 1>the Crown theory, and it's that he put the curius on,

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<v Speaker 1>he put the magical set of armor on. But like

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<v Speaker 1>as Borman was telling us, the lucks are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the key that unlocks the suit of armor. It it

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<v Speaker 1>can tell if you're worthy of what much like force hammer, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he can tell if you're worthy of wearing it. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happens if you're not worthy of wearing it and

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<v Speaker 1>you put it on? You get trapped in it? I

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<v Speaker 1>am is trapped in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that that would be so great. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to see where that could go. And kind of I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like this episode especially leans into this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>Kit is looking for Eric, but now she's realizing, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, I'm out of the castle for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>I can be looking for my dad. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of where is Matt Martigan and what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to him that's probably going to play a key part

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<v Speaker 2>going into the next five episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, it helps us get around you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Val Kilmer not being able to be in the film.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a suit of armor? Folks? Yeah, that's him.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want, you can the voiceover. And I

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<v Speaker 2>believe now it's Vow's son who does all of his

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<v Speaker 2>voiceover work for him. Yeah. I believe that that was

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<v Speaker 2>something that had come out of a documentary recently, So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's already established that he could if

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to have some voiceovers for Kit rather than

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily a visual and Val did a very supportive He

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<v Speaker 2>did a very supportive Instagram post recently about the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He you know, he met his eventually wife, Joanne

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<v Speaker 1>wally Kilmer on Willow, So I'm sure it's a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that is very special to him and they had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his son is his son with Joel Wally Kilmer. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that that is This is a project. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that is special to him and we can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to continue following it over the course of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision. Rosie, what do you have to plug?

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned all your writings on Willow lar Places. What

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<v Speaker 1>else are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you reveal anything of your secret project yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet, but soon, hopefully soon, because I did. I

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<v Speaker 2>did just finish the first draft of said secret project,

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<v Speaker 2>so fingers crossed it will be soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you want to know more about Willow, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a bunch of different pieces. There's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a great Willow story in the new Den of

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<v Speaker 2>Geek magazine. You can get that from your local comic

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<v Speaker 2>book shop. I will be writing a really exciting cover

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<v Speaker 2>story for Den of Geek in the new year. Too,

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<v Speaker 2>which hasn't been announced yet, and same as always ign Polygon.

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<v Speaker 2>We just put out the best Comics of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two at Polygon. I submitted really something about a film

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<v Speaker 2>that I really loved called Slashback for a nerdost piece

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<v Speaker 2>that will be out soon about the best underseen movies

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<v Speaker 2>and TV of the year. So yeah, lots of fun

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and always here and Rosie marks on Instagram and letterbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Catch the next episode of x ray Vision on December

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