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Speaker 1: Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for the first three episodes

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Speaker 1: of the Disney Plus series Willow, plus the original nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty eight film of the same name. Hello, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcion and welcome to x Revision The Crooked podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. In this episode, in the previously on,

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Speaker 1: we will be discussing the trailer for Indiana Jones and

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Speaker 1: the Dial of Destiny. Folks, I'm sure Rosie and I

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Speaker 1: will have a lot of thoughts about this trailer. Then

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Speaker 1: we will be discussing the latest trailer for the HBO

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Speaker 1: Max series The Last of Us, And in the airlock

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Speaker 1: we'll be discussing the Disney Plus series Willow, which of

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Speaker 1: course is a sequel to the nineteen eighty eight George

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Speaker 1: Lucas production of Willow, a movie that holds a special

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Speaker 1: place in the heart of my co host. She's the

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Speaker 1: number one comics historian, the number one Willow lover, the

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Speaker 1: number one Eternal's lover. That's right, folks, It's the great,

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Speaker 1: the powerful Rosie Marks.

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Speaker 2: Rosie. Hey, I feel so happy to be somebody who

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Speaker 2: just loves so many things that's true. I am the number.

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Speaker 2: I love Willow so much. I'm really excited to talk

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Speaker 2: about that show. We're actually talking about lots of things

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Speaker 2: that I love this week, as we do every week.

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Speaker 2: I guess how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I gotta say I'm enjoying the Willow Show.

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Speaker 1: I think the tone is really unique.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like anything else. It's very unexpected at

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Speaker 2: like dropping in December as well. Yeah, you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is like okay, this show exists and it's totally

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Speaker 2: different from anything else that's going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, the sense you get quite strongly is that Disney

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Speaker 1: is like, we have very low expectations for what anybody's

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Speaker 1: reaction to this, So, you know, gravy as far as

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Speaker 1: they're concerned. I'm sure. I did have one thing I

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Speaker 1: conversation recently with some friends that were that were in London,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we were talking about slang English slang, and

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Speaker 1: have eternally been mystified by Geezer, which I think if

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Speaker 1: you heard in American English, you'd hear geezer. That Geezer

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Speaker 2: That's definitely how it is in American note in England,

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Speaker 2: the geezers like a guy and he's in the pub

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Speaker 2: But it is also just a gender term for somebody

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like any like adult slash middle aged

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Speaker 1: Don't think it's a term of age specific, it's a

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Speaker 1: That's just about geeze like if I'm friends with someone

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Speaker 2: good one. Oh Jason, bring more of these to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that catch up Rosie special. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to everyone who came out to our La Comic Con panel.

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Speaker 1: where we'll cover the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special

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Speaker 1: plus have a discussion with some good friends about the

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Speaker 1: state of the MCU up next. Previously on First and

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Speaker 1: previously on Folks. He's back. I know Harrison Ford is

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Speaker 1: When will he come back? When will he bring Indiana

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, with the fifth installment of the Indiana

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Speaker 2: So my understanding is that what they The thing that

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Speaker 2: But my understanding is there is a large part of

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Speaker 1: Here is the synopsis. In nineteen sixty nine American Archaeologists

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Speaker 1: and adventure Indiana Jones lives against the backdrop of the

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Speaker 2: Say, that's actually incredibly true to one of the American

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Speaker 1: Vernon Brahm, the architect of the American rocketry program, was

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Speaker 2: Simpsons esque Oh no, Mark had to go back to

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Speaker 2: Mads Michaelson playing a Nazi. I mean, I always want

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Speaker 2: to see Indiana Jones beating up Nazis. It's what he

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are they dialing? I don't know. That's

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Speaker 2: Who's getting dialed?

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Speaker 1: My Indiana Jones do just as you mentioned, he beats

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Speaker 1: The The other thing that he is best in the

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Speaker 2: one time when his intrinsic behavior of stealing things for

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Speaker 2: the government is not great temple of doom. He does,

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Speaker 2: an evil queen. One of the heroes ends up being

433
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: her daughter, who's a total badass warrior in a way

434
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: that you really hadn't seen at this point. She's not

435
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: a red Sonja esque warrior. I love red Sonya, but

436
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: she's not wearing a bikini. She's not you know, in

437
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: service of a man. She is like a hardcore badass.

438
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: And then you have you know, Willow has a family.

439
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: He has his wife Kaya, he has his daughter Mims,

440
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: who plays who plays a role in the new show too.

441
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: There is a lot of time spent it as well

442
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: as a Laura Dannon who is the Chosen One, who

443
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: is a woman again moving away from that Luke Skywalker

444
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: kind of trope of the male Chosen One. It has

445
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: a lot of really interesting, unexpected character choices, and I

446
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: will say, you know, this is a movie George Lucas

447
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: had wanted to tell for a long time, a story

448
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: he'd wanted to tell for a long time, and it

449
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: was when he cast Warwick Davis, who was only eleven

450
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: when he was cast in Return of the Jedi, I

451
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: found out recently, which just unbelievable. And then George realized

452
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: this could be a vehicle for Warwick in kind of

453
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: this star vehicle. So this is also a movie where

454
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: your heroic lead is a little person. And also, like

455
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: now probably one of the most well known little person

456
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: actors in the world. Warwick Davis just a total legend,

457
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: but back then he wasn't. And I think that that's

458
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: something we still don't really see. I can't think of

459
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: another movie that's a heroic that has a heroic role

460
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: with a little person or even a you know, a

461
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: disabled person in a lead role that was a major

462
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: blockbuster movie, and I just I love this movie so much.

463
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: It's this great mixture between like coziness and horror and fantasy.

464
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: And then you have the thing we haven't talked about,

465
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: which is, you know, this just absolutely ridiculous, out there

466
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: unforgettable performance by Val Kilma as Mad Martagan, and that

467
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: becomes the kind of central part. I was watching the

468
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: movie for this show and I was thinking, Oh my god,

469
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: like how much Mad Martagan Willow fanfic is there, because

470
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: they're basically like they pair them as like a husband

471
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: and wife on this D and D style adventure.

472
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: It's very interesting because you know, a lot of the

473
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: criticism of this movie was, oh, okay, Mad Martigan is

474
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: just Han solo, like this kind of rogue character warmed

475
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: over this charming Mad Martigan's a fucking asshole.

476
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: He sucks. This is a truly complex yeah, Like this

477
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: is not some easy he is like a rogue ish

478
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: It's far more realistic than the hand because this is

479
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: like he sucks.

480
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: He is an anti hero in the true sense of

481
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: the world word, which is part of why I think

482
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: the movie is. You know, the positioning of the characters

483
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: is really courageous. From Lucas because again, like the the

484
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: the female heroes are really the center of this story.

485
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: And while Mad Martigan has some great action scenes and

486
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: his you know, relationship with with Willow uh is part

487
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: of like the emotional engine of the story. It's a

488
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: lot of their interactions are like Mad Martigan just like

489
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: calling Willow a peck.

490
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always and he's always towards him, and he's

491
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: always trying to like betray him. I think in Nojoy

492
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: this this feels to me a lot more like the

493
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: fantasy books that we've read and the kind of fantasy

494
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: stories that we get now, which is this D and

495
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: D party where you can have characters who are not trustworthy,

496
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: there's always one person who's trying to betray you, who

497
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: wants to get the treasure, who's doing it for their

498
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: own way. And obviously Mad Martigan's journey across this movie

499
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: is to realize, oh, there's something bigger at stake here,

500
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: and it's this baby. Whether or not you believe she's

501
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: a prophesized empress, she's just a little baby who needs help.

502
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: And I'm here with my boyfriend Willow, and we're gonna

503
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: look after her, you know. And then you have this

504
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Sorcia played by joe An Warley, who's also in the

505
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: new series. She just has no time for Mad Martigan's shit.

506
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: And it's such a joy to see this like enemies

507
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: to lovers, like annoying. She's like, this guy is so

508
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: annoying that there's just something there and they both kind

509
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: of come together over this great battle. And one of

510
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: the most interesting things about Willow that I love that

511
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: comes into play heavily in the show is the end

512
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: of Willow. Willow's journey is he is. He's a Nelwyn,

513
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: which is what they call the community of people that

514
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: he lives in, and he wants to be a sorcerer,

515
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: and his dream is to be a sorcerer, to be

516
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: an apprentice and to become a high sorcerer of his community. Right,

517
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: but he really just does like funny magic tricks when

518
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: he's at home. He doesn't really know how to do magic.

519
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: And the end of the movie, he does a magic

520
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: trick and he tricks Bavmorda into thinking he's made a

521
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Laura Dan and disappear, and then Bavmorda gets struck by lightning.

522
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: So Willow doesn't actually do any magic. He's not a

523
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: great sorcerer. He kind of does it off his own wits,

524
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: in his own wiles. It's very star Wars. He it's

525
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: very fun. But then thirty four years later, when you

526
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: have this show, which is probably set around twenty years afterwards,

527
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: everyone in the whole Kingdom of teraz Len thinks Willow

528
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: is this genius magic sorcerer, and the show is kind

529
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: of getting towards now this idea of like, well, we

530
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: know what really happened in the movie, so how do

531
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: you deal with that when you're now positioning him back

532
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: into this magic and it's by again surrounding. There's a

533
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: great moment in the trailer that was kind of when

534
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: I realized the show was really going to get me,

535
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: which is like someone says to Willa, like, how are

536
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: you going to beat me? And he's like, like I

537
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: did last time with my friends, And I'm like, yeah,

538
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: that's the point. Like it's just some ragtag group of

539
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: like people who are kind of outcast, kind of losers,

540
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: like the the Party of Bandits who everyone is ignored,

541
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: the sorcerer no one cares about, the female warrior no

542
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: one takes seriously, the rogue who's betrayed so many people

543
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: that they just left them in a skeleton, you know,

544
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: cage to kind of rot away. Oh, actually, if we

545
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: come together, we can do something. And I just think

546
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: that's so much fun. And it's again, it kind of

547
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: leans into those like you mentioned, you know, Dark Crystal Legend.

548
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: All those movies were at the time, they didn't necessarily

549
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: make a huge waves, but now you watch them and

550
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: you're like, these movies are so long and so complex

551
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: and so strange, and that's really what fantasy should be.

552
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: And I think that's why Willow Is always kind of

553
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: stood the test of time. For me and John Kasdan,

554
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: who is the showrunner of the New Willow series, and

555
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: who's you know, His dad is Lawrence Kasdan. His brother's

556
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 2: Jake cas Down, So they're like Lucas phil Films Royalty.

557
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: But he was like us. He was just somebody who

558
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: watched it so many times as a kid, and he

559
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: just loved it. And when he was the little kid,

560
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, he was like, wait, I don't understand why

561
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: isn't there a sequel because we don't understand the notion

562
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: of box offices and stuff, you know. And I felt

563
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: the same way as a kid. I rewatched my VHS

564
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: so many times, and I sort of couldn't believe that

565
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: there wasn't another film.

566
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Speaker 1: As we were saying, I think that the lesson that

567
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: the industry took from Willow, which was a modest It

568
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: was a modest success, but certainly not what people had

569
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: associated with the name George Lucas. I think the lesson

570
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: that the industry took was that fantasy is not well viable,

571
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: is not where the market is now. Sci Fi is

572
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: where the market is now. An increasing trend towards comic

573
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: book material is where the market is now. And it

574
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be until the appearance of Lord of the Rings

575
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to really show that fantasy can still sell tickets at

576
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: the box office, because you know, it had come all

577
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: the way back around in terms of sci fi with

578
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: the matrix, which is basically like Star Wars of the

579
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: Internet era, Jurassic Park, et cetera. You know, there was

580
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: just not you never. The eighties was a rich time

581
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: for fantasy content. Certainly not successful in the eyes of

582
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the industry, but the movies were good.

583
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: And they became huge hits.

584
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, but after Willow, that was kind of it for

585
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: the next ten years. Okay, let's get into the show

586
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: Willow Episodes one, two, three is what we're gonna cover.

587
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Here's what we'll just do a quick catchup on the

588
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: first two episodes before we.

589
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Get to.

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Speaker 1: Episode three. Episode one The Gales, written by Jonathan Cast

591
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: and directed by Stephen Wolfenden. This introduces us to our

592
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: our new cast of characters in the Willow series. They

593
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: include Princess Kit, who is the daughter of Queen Sortia,

594
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: who is in turns herself the daughter of the evil

595
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: bav Morda from the Willow movie and now ruling Tira Slean.

596
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: She her best friend is a warrior named Jade. They

597
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: trained together all the time and clearly there are there

598
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: are real feelings between those two real.

599
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: And Jade is played by Aaron Kellyman who we're a

600
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: huge fan of on the show Hit and his Nest

601
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: from the end of Solo, one of the best but

602
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: shortest character introductions. Then you know a part in Falcon

603
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 2: the Winter Soldier, but again it was kind of a

604
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: cut short role. This role really gives her a lot

605
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: of meat and she gets to kind of be the

606
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: shining night in this medieval inspired kind of story. And

607
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: they're gonna Kit is the very much like, I'm not

608
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: like other girls. Princess. Her dad is Mad Martigan, her

609
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: mother is Sorcia Mad Martigan. Where is he?

610
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

611
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: He went off on a thing and he never came back.

612
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: So she's very much in that space. But she's gonna

613
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: have to get married off to a prince called Graydon

614
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: and played by Tony Revlorie Flash Thompson from Spider Man,

615
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: and you can get the feeling right.

616
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: He's a nice enough guy, but he's either one of them,

617
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: and they both recognize that politically it's important to go

618
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: through this marriage, but neither of them are particularly passionate

619
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: about it.

620
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know each other to each other, and

621
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: there is a party to celebrate this impending marriage. It

622
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: kind of all goes awry when Kit's twin brother, Prince Eric,

623
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: who is named after Eric, who is Mad mart Again's

624
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: friend who died heroically in the original movie, Rigaler, a

625
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: sassy hero, he was wonderful and.

626
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Eric Eric has a lot of the Mad mark. It's

627
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: like the the roguishness of Mad Martigan without the kind

628
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: of swordsmanship.

629
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: He's never had to go out on an adventure he is.

630
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: He's living his life. He's he's promiscuously making his way

631
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: through the castle staff. He's he's a lover boy. Also,

632
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: Dempsey Brick, who plays him, looks a lot like young Valkil,

633
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: So this casting is like really wild, lo and behold

634
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: if you're just wearing a floaty shirt and like sleeping

635
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: with lots of girls, apparently in this world, that means

636
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: you're going to get kidnapped by these nightmare irish creatures

637
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: the Gales, And that happens. He gets swept up by

638
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: a giant scary bird, and Kit is like, well, not

639
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: having that, I'm off to save my brother. And surprisingly,

640
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: her mother, who was just recently you know, desperate to

641
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: get her into this arranged marriage, is like, actually that's

642
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: a great idea.

643
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, go do it.

644
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: Go do it. You go go with Kate, go with Jade,

645
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: your best bud. Now.

646
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Speaker 1: An interesting wrinkle here is that Eric has been messing

647
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: around with a particular member of the household staff, a

648
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: wonderful cook named Dove, and we discover at the end

649
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: of episode one, when our group encounters Willow Willow Ofughgood

650
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: of the movie Fame, he touches Dove's arm. Dove was

651
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: not meant to be with this group. She kind of

652
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: snuck away because she wants to. You know, she has

653
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: really fallen for Eric, even though she's unsure of the

654
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: way he feels about her. She just wants to find him.

655
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: And Willow, sensing something about Dove, places his hand on

656
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: her arm, revealing a sign. And guess what, folks, the

657
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: long lost Empress Laura dan and the true Empress is

658
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: this kitchen maid done.

659
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: So this is actually terrible news as much as everyone's

660
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: been waiting for her to survive, because basically, Sorcia mad Martigan,

661
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: the whole of Terrace Lean has essentially kept Elaura Dannon secret.

662
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: They hid her away, they pretended that they didn't know

663
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: who she was, and they raised her in these kitchens

664
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: as a kitchen girl so that she would not be

665
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: in any danger and evil would not be able to

666
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: find her. But now, lo and behold, she's off on

667
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: an adventure, trying to go to the end of the

668
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: earth to find her boyfriend. And she's very committed and

669
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: she's going to do it. And team is rounded out

670
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: by a really just unbelievably great addition who Queen Sorcia

671
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: forces on the group, and his name is Borman and

672
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: he's played by ama Chada Patel and he is so

673
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: good and he's definitely channeling your biggest Mad Margan energy.

674
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: He is like the he is the Marshall Mad Martigan, Yeah,

675
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: brought to life here, the exact warrior with the quips,

676
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: who you know is an adventurer and is definitely not

677
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: the do everything by the book guy.

678
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: No, and they do something I really think is so great.

679
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: This definitely is in that space of what Jadmin Sivoid

680
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: Brown's character in Scream five coined as the requell. This

681
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: is it's the sequel that's also the reboot that introduces

682
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: new characters, but you have to have the old characters.

683
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: And this show does something really lovely, which is it

684
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time connecting those threads and Borman

685
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: is not just oh, we're going to make this guy

686
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: pretend to be Mad Martigan. No, he channels the spirit

687
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: of Mad mart again. And as we get into the show,

688
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: you learn why because he was friends with him, and

689
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: that's actually how Sorsa gilts him into going on this

690
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: trip with this group of kids, this kind of ya

691
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: adventure party, because she's like, don't forget about your old friend,

692
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, In that first episode ends boom a Laura

693
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: Danon is there. Willow's stoked to see her, but also

694
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: like the whole now when people all live underground now

695
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: because of how bad things have got. So it's not

696
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: looking very hopeful. But Kid's not gonna let her brother

697
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: be kidnapped. She's she's ready for the fight.

698
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: In episode two, we get some extra wrinkles here. Laura

699
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: is trying to learn some magic with the help of Willow.

700
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: Willow is being very cagy about his own magic abilities

701
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: at this particular time. Yes, and more on that in

702
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: episode three. And then Laura gets kidnapped by one of

703
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: the commanders of the tears Lean Guard, Commander Valentine, who

704
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: it turns out has been possessed yes, we guess by

705
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: these Gaels who attacked the castle. They touched him or

706
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: were able in some way to bring him under their him.

707
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Almost with this, he kidnaps Laura and goes away. So

708
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: now we're on a double search. We're looking for Eric,

709
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: but we also got to get the true Empress Laura

710
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: dan and back.

711
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that leads us to episode three, which the

712
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: funnest thing about this is this is a show that

713
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: I feel really deeply understands kind of where fantasy is

714
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two and what people want to see,

715
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: because episode three essentially is a side quest, which is

716
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: like everybody's favorite thing to do in any kind of

717
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: fantasy RPG or like a tabletop game. So I love

718
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: that they were like side quest episode. It's like a

719
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: really it's a really fun little trope, and this is

720
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: why you really start digging in. So we're going to

721
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: do the real recap for this one.

722
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: So we open on a flashback ten thousand years ago.

723
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: This is a story that is being recounted by Borman

724
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: to Princess kit and he is telling the story of Thule,

725
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: who was the scion of the king of Chimeria, but

726
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: he was seen as weak by his brother Tiberius, and

727
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: so Tiberius decided, you know what, I think I should

728
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: be a king instead, and therefore I'm going to lay

729
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: siege to the capital of Chimeria. Annabelle, the mother of

730
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: both of these young men, to protect her son, Thule

731
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: forges a set of magical armor that locks with a

732
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: special key called the Luxarkana that will only allow those

733
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: worthy of the defensive power of this armor to wear it.

734
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: Thule then goes to ride out alone wearing the armor

735
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: to face his brother and his brother army of death dealers,

736
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: but before Borman can tell the rest of the story,

737
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Kid is like, I'm fucking bored.

738
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: Man.

739
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: She's like this boring, yeah, and this is the point

740
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: of this story.

741
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: She's like, please just get to the pop about my dad.

742
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you knew my dad. So what is up

743
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: with that? Where you get and Borman then says, uh,

744
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: and this is what you were talking about, which is

745
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: this understanding of where fantasy is in twenty twenty two.

746
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: Borman then says a line that is a wonderful wink

747
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to the audience. Your generation has zero attention span for

748
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: epic tales.

749
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much fun that that line. I'm so

750
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: glad you picked out because that really sums up to

751
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: me how this is. If there's one thing that this

752
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: is most influenced by Tonally, I would say it's the

753
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Princess Bride, because the thing they didn't really get into

754
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: so far is the show is very fantastical. It's really

755
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: beautifully shot. It was all shot on location in Wales,

756
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: so it's really colorful and doesn't really look like anything else.

757
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: But it's also just very funny and like intentionally funny

758
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: and consistently meta and winking and also just like classically silly.

759
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: There's a breeziness to it that is, you know, when

760
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: you think fantasy, right, you think English accents, you know,

761
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: this kind of like Shakespearean kind of approach. That is

762
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: not the case with this. Ellie Bamper, who plays a

763
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Laura Dannon, is a British access using an American accent.

764
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's very much the opposite of what

765
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: you would expect, Like there's not the kind of fussiness

766
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: yea of the normal kind of fantasy.

767
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: Almost like it's almost like, and this is coming from me,

768
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: is a big like compliment, but it's almost like casual fantasy.

769
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's like when you watch something

770
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: like Game of Thrones. You got to watch that first

771
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: season and you have to learn every single family and

772
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: political group and the way that they're connected and the

773
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: hundreds of years of history that shape them, which we love.

774
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: That's literally what we love to talk about. But this

775
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: is one of those shows where I feel like anyone

776
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: could just put it on and kind of vaguely recognize

777
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: the archetypes but not feel like there's too much. And

778
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: that partially comes from the fact that Willow is one

779
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: movie that came out thirty four years ago, going you know,

780
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: touching on one of mine and Jason's favorite topics aka

781
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: the X Men. There are three Willow novels written by

782
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: none other than Chris Claremont that expand the law of

783
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: the story. But even then, you're talking about three books,

784
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: the third one which is incredibly hard to find that

785
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: most people haven't read, and one movie, so there is

786
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: not a lot of law. You can have that breeziness,

787
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: that kind of fun of expanding the idea of what

788
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: the show is well, kind of using it as a

789
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: vessel to sort of nod to the things that we

790
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: really like and enjoy about fantastic.

791
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that about it. It's a very very

792
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: easy and fun watch. Okay. So basically Borman is like, Okay,

793
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You, your dad, Morgan, and I were

794
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: trying to find this armor at one point in time

795
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: in order to defend Tira's lean from this the evil

796
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: Crone that we are currently sort of in a mission against,

797
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, right now, even though our real mission is

798
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: find Laura Dennon and find Eric Commander Ballantine of Tira's Lean.

799
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: He has a Laura prisoner. He has been possessed by

800
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the Gaels. Jade finds him just as he's getting on

801
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: his horse with a Laura and he's like, listen, I'm

802
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: He tries to kind of play it off, you know,

803
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I'm working for the Queen. I'm working

804
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: for Queen Sortia, you know, a Laura's mom, and it

805
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: was my job to take a Laura back home, and

806
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. And then Willow shows up and says, well, yeah,

807
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: that may be the case, but a Laura should only

808
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: go home if she wants to go home. And she's

809
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: unconscious over the back of your horse right now, it

810
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: doesn't look like she's doing anything that she actually wants

811
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: to do. It should be her decision. So the whole

812
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: party shows up, you know, Willow's friend Silas is Patriots

813
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: Silas Prince Grayden, Boorman Kit and they take out their

814
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: swords and we get a big fight, but Valentine and

815
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: his men get away with a Laura in this kind

816
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: of in the confusion. After Willow attempts to do some

817
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: sort of like magic spell all he does is really

818
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of cause a lot of smoke to be to

819
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: be thrown up, and by the time the smoke clears,

820
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: a Laura and Commander Valentine are gone. Willow then tells

821
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: them that Valentine's men have been overtaken by evil magic

822
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: and this is the work of the Gales. All of

823
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, we hear the voice of the Crone speaking

824
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: through these storm clouds on the horizon, and the Crone,

825
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: we learn, does not want to kill Laura because Laura

826
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: can't really be killed, like her energy is instructible. You kill, yeah, now.

827
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: She's not You could have killed a baby, but now

828
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: you can't really kill.

829
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you can't do anything else. You might banish

830
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: her from the from the world for a while, but

831
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: she'll just be reborn again. What you need to do,

832
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: and what the Crone wants to do, is as an adult,

833
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: take her prisoner and therefore remove her light energy from

834
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the world, and that's how you could rule this land.

835
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: This is exactly what bav Morda was trying to do

836
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: in the original movie. Elsewhere a Laura manages to get

837
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: free of Commander Balentine, she runs into the woods and

838
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: while this is happening. Our hero's wagon has broken down.

839
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: We get a nice nod to the kind of lucasfilm

840
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: a DNA of this when so the wagon wheel is

841
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: like falling off the wagon and they're trying to figure

842
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: out how to fix it, and Borman is like, well,

843
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: hold on, you're a sorcerer, can't you just like lift

844
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: it with magic? And Willow is like, no, we can't

845
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: do that, although there's going to be other reasons why

846
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: he can't use his magic right now that will tell

847
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: you in a second. In the forest, while Willow and

848
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: Borman and Silas are trying to figure out what's up

849
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: with the wagon wheel, Kit and Jay are having a

850
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: much needed conversation. They haven't really had a moment a

851
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: loan since they've started this adventure, and the last kind

852
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: of real interaction between them was when you know, Kit

853
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: was being introduced to her future husband, Prince Graydon, and

854
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: Jade was feeling not great about it, and Kit was

855
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: also feeling really shitty about it, and they basically had

856
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: an argument.

857
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jade wanted Jade was gonna become the first

858
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: woman to have been able to train as a knight,

859
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: but it would have meant leaving Kit, and Kit was

860
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: feeling very Kit was very spoilt about it and caused

861
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: the big drama and it was a huge moment. And

862
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: now they're having a conversation because Ballentine, who is the

863
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: evil now evillly possessed man who stole really jas and

864
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: Laura Danet, he's Jade's mental He raised her. Jade was

865
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: raised as an orphan in the palace and it has

866
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: been most of her life. Ballentine has been that father

867
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: figure and has trained out how to fight. So, yeah,

868
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna need to die.

869
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: So Kit is saying to Jade exactly that listen, if

870
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: we face balance again, you've got to be ready to

871
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: kill him without hesitation. And Jade is like, I wasn't hesitating.

872
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: I was focused on trying to save your life. And

873
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Kid is like, I'm a good I'm actually a good fighter,

874
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: which you don't think I can hold my own and

875
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't need saving. And Jade then tells Kit, and

876
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: we're in really big reveal that you know, basically saying, well,

877
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: you're a good fighter. I always I've been helping you

878
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: be a good fighter. And by the way, your mom

879
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: ordered me to basically be your friend in order to

880
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: train you to become a good fighter. And Kit is

881
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: shaken at this, and you know, Jade tries to soften

882
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: it by saying, yeah, but then you know, I developed

883
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: feelings for you since, like it became a real friendship

884
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: and obviously something more. But Kit doesn't want to hear this.

885
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: In the world, it's Laura, you know, goes through these

886
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of dark and shadowy woods to this sunny clearing

887
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: and she finds this this cabin and two woodswomen living there,

888
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: Hubert and Anne. A. Laura is panicked, you know, she

889
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know if Valentine and the rest are right on

890
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: her heels. And she's telling these women like these bad

891
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: men are coming. They're wicked men. They want to take

892
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: me prisoner, they may kill you and whatever. And Hubert

893
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: and Anne are just like, hey, do you want to

894
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: eat some roasted mushrooms?

895
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, like it's fine, that's a good

896
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: about it.

897
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: Elsewhere, our heroes with the wagon are struggling. They're lost

898
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: in the storm. They decide, okay, we're going to cover

899
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: more ground if we split up. Kit specifically orders the

900
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: teams so that she and Jade will be searching separately

901
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: back to the Woods, Laura tells the Woods women that

902
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you mentioned Laura danon Ladies because

903
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: I am a Laura Dannon. I know, it's weird by

904
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: the way, I just found it out. I'm still processing

905
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: that myself. It's kind of a honestly, it's kind of

906
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: like been a huge mind fuck, but yeah, it's true.

907
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: I am a Laura dan And they're like, oh, let

908
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: us see the mark. Then show us the mark on

909
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: the arm if you really learned. She raises her sleeve,

910
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: shows them the mark, and now all of a sudden,

911
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: these women are like, holy shit, you're the true Empress.

912
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: This is what they've been waiting for.

913
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for this. There's legends about this, there's

914
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: legends about what will happen. And they realize, oh, that

915
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: means you really are in danger, and if you're the

916
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: true Empress, that means that we should join you in

917
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: whatever adventure.

918
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: Whatever You've got us on side.

919
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: We have your back. We let's get out of here

920
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: before these men show up. Let's get you somewhere safe.

921
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: Laura says, no, no, no, we can't go somewhere safe

922
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: and just hold up. I have to rescue my boyfriend

923
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: Eric from the crone. They're like, okay, fine, we're gonna

924
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: help you. Before they can do anything, Commander Valentine shows

925
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: up immediately, and I mean like almost mediately, he kills Hubert.

926
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

927
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: And it's such a shame too, because Hubert just goes

928
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: full badass. Hubert pulls out an axe. Hubert hits Ballentine

929
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: with it, and everyone's like, oh my god, Hugh, but

930
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: you're so cool, like I can't believe you did that.

931
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: And then Ballentine lo and behold, he's basically a zombie

932
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: because he's been possessed by the evil of the Liches

933
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: and the Gaels. So then he just kills Huba r

934
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: I p.

935
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: Huba Hubert Hubert played by the Great hadn't Hannah Wadding

936
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: yea fame? Uh And and you see her and you're thinking, oh,

937
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: she's gonna be around for a little while. Nope, not

938
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: even an episode. R I p r ip to Hubert. Quickly,

939
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: both women are cut down and goes down in quick

940
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: quick order right after that, and the commander promises Laura

941
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: that more will die unless you come with us. You

942
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: have to come with us or your friends will continue

943
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: to get cut down. Kit and Borman continue their conversation

944
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: about mad Martgan. You know, why did Borman return from

945
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: their adventures in man Martigan didn't? Where is my dad?

946
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: What happened? Borman kind of insinuates that something there was

947
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: some kind of fight that was deadly, because he says

948
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: I got lucky, basically saying, you know, your dad didn't

949
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: get so lucky. They're looking at this kind of like

950
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: storm surging all around them, and they start thinking, you know,

951
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this dark energy, this dark storm.

952
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Maybe what we need is some light. Maybe what we

953
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: need is that magical armor that I was telling you

954
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: about at the top of this episode. Meanwhile, back with

955
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: the Wagon, Grayden tells Jade, hey, have you noticed, like

956
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: I noticed that Willow's magic isn't Like he didn't want

957
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: to he didn't want to lift the wagon, and then

958
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: when he used a spell when Valentine showed up, it

959
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: really was not it didn't work. Really, I'm worried that

960
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: Willow's magic is I'm willing we're that Will's magic is fading?

961
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: Is that the case? And it turns out it is.

962
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: We then see Willow have a conversation with his friend

963
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: silas where he's basically saying, hey, I don't have much

964
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: magic left. I need to save every drop of energy,

965
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: magical energy that I have left in order to beat

966
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: the crone when we face her, in order to save

967
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: a Laura Dan, and I can't waste all this. Suddenly

968
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: we have an answer on why. Willow, you know who

969
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: has been bragging about what a great sorcery is ever

970
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: since he's arrived in this story. He's been talking about

971
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: it a lot.

972
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: He asked to that's the game that he has to play,

973
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: and all the interesting thing is he he is very

974
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: wary of the future. He has these visions and he

975
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: is seeing something that he feels like he can't stop,

976
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: but he wants to, so he's saving his magic. And

977
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: that is like you said, why he's you know, just

978
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: lift the car. I know, I can't tell that much magic,

979
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: just a little bit.

980
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: Like as you said, he has. Will as he's talking

981
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: to his friend, has a flash of a vision and

982
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: he realizes that he knows where they need to go.

983
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: We go to Borman and Kit. They come to a graveyard.

984
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: This Borman says is probably where the armor is, somewhere

985
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: in the tunnels of this Necropolis, and they decide to

986
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: go down in there. Laura, meanwhile being held by Captain Balentine,

987
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: decides enough is enough. I'm a I've just learned that

988
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: I am the true Empress. That means that I have

989
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: magical power, and in fact, I have almost infinite magical

990
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: power if I can just get in touch with it.

991
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: Willow is trying to teach me an incantation. Maybe it'll work.

992
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: She uses a little bit of her magic to get

993
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: one of Balentine's goon's away from her, and then she

994
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: starts the incantation that will taught her. That is, we imagine,

995
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: supposed to call some sort of like magical protectors to

996
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: fight for her. Nothing happens, but then her friends Grade

997
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: and Jade, Willow and Silas Actually so.

998
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Maybe I did by.

999
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: Jade begs Ballentine if he's in there her mentor to

1000
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 1: let her help him, help him get free, and he's

1001
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: like no. They lower their the their helms and they

1002
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: get in another big fight, another big sword fight. All

1003
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: the while down in the graveyard, kitt and Wormon are

1004
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: getting chased by wear rats.

1005
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like they are on the side quest

1006
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: and it is not going well.

1007
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: Kit is not going well. There is no hint of

1008
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: this magical armor, and in.

1009
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: Fact, they like it eat very shady stuff, like he

1010
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: keeps going off by himself, and Kit's kind of left

1011
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: not really understanding what's going on. And then of course

1012
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: there are the wear rats.

1013
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: Yes, back at the fight. Laura is like, Willow, we

1014
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: need your sorcery. You've been talking a big game.

1015
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: There's a magic.

1016
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Is the fucking magic, let's go. He is like making

1017
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: an excuse that you know, the sense we get is

1018
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: man that Willow's gas tank must be on empty. But

1019
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: then he uses this well anyway, and it is quite impressive.

1020
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: Valentine's men are like torn apart by this. Valentine himself

1021
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: is like bathed in this very destructive energy and he

1022
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: falls to the ground. We see, you know, in the

1023
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: wake of this, that Silas has been wounded in the fighting,

1024
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: and then he dies heartbreakingly in Willow's arms. And Valentine

1025
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: now mortally wounded, like he's done. But he's back to

1026
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: himself now and he talks to Jade. He's telling her, listen,

1027
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: you have to protect a Laura. Now that she's back,

1028
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: she has to be protected. Here's what's up with the Crone.

1029
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: The Crone is terrified of a Laura. You have to

1030
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: take a Laura to the immorial city, and that if

1031
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: you do that and protect her, you can defeat the Crone.

1032
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: And that's it, and then tyras Lean will be safe forever.

1033
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: And now that I've told you everything that I know,

1034
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: I need you to kill me because I'm not going

1035
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: to make it. And Jade, with Tyrs in our eyes,

1036
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: finishes him off. There's a storm there in this place

1037
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: called the Pitiless Path, which is now flooding because they're

1038
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of this like terrible rainstorm. They see

1039
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: a set of steps going up the hill and Borman's like,

1040
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going, but I see a

1041
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: set of steps that gets us out of this floodplain,

1042
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: So I'm going up there. And they end up like

1043
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: on this mesa on the top of this mountain with

1044
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: this very very very very scary city in the in

1045
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: the distance, and they're all like, where the fuck are we?

1046
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: We have no idea where this is. But Willow knows

1047
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: because he was there in Willow the movie.

1048
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 2: He was knockmar don don the place of a Laura.

1049
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: Donnan, You're absolutely right. This is like a it's almost

1050
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: like a y E take on fantasy. It's super super fun.

1051
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fun. It's like I love the I

1052
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: think that the thing that makes it stand out to me.

1053
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: I love anything YA really like. I read a lot

1054
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: of YA books. I love stories where they tell them

1055
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: through the lens of young characters. I think it's a

1056
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: really interesting way to reinvigorate a franchise or to tell

1057
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: a new story. I loved you know, the Force Awakens.

1058
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: I love the Lost Jedi. But what I think is

1059
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: really cool here is that fun mixture between the new characters.

1060
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: But still this is a Willow show, so you have

1061
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Willow there, and the way that they kind of tie

1062
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: them together in this this D and D esque against idea,

1063
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: it just feels really like different and very fun, and

1064
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: it's it's really I think that you were spot on

1065
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: when I when I spoke to John Casden about making

1066
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: the show, he was sort of making jokes about how

1067
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: nobody really knows about Willow. You know, it's not a

1068
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Speaker 2: high kind of profile property. And I think that in

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Speaker 2: the way that you mentioned that probably gave them a

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Speaker 2: lot of free reign under the Disney banner. And you know,

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Speaker 2: In my interview with him for den If Geek, he said, like,

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Speaker 2: this wouldn't have happened without Disney. Plus they needed ip,

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Speaker 2: they needed content, so he got to take this swing

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Speaker 2: and make something that does feel really different, and it

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: kind of it's a great holiday show, but it does

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Speaker 2: make me laugh because I'm just like, you just drop

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Speaker 2: this casually on November thirtieth, and it's just so different

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Speaker 2: to anything else that Disney, Plass or any other streamers

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Speaker 2: really doing. It's it's very fun and I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: to kind of continue the journey with these characters, especially

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Speaker 2: Jade and Kick, because we're really getting to see this

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01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: friendship growing into something more between them, and you're getting

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: the fun of like a Laura and Grayden, and you

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Speaker 2: get to see all these different little relationships that are building.

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Speaker 2: And something I think is really special is, you know,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like val Kilma is going to be

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Speaker 2: able to be in this season. He's had a lot

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Speaker 2: of health issues.

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Speaker 1: Must they do something else?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at cast exactly or have you know? But

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Speaker 2: what I think is really interesting is they are very

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Speaker 2: keen to keep the instead of just being like mad

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Speaker 2: Margan died. Yeah, most of the legacy characters here are

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Speaker 2: deeply connected to Mad Martigan. Jade has a Mad Martagan

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Speaker 2: esquing us about her because Jade is a knight who

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Speaker 2: wants to fight and wants to be there and will

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Speaker 2: do anything, and Jade kind of has this mysterious past

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Speaker 2: just like Mad Martigan. Then you have Boorman, who's obviously

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Speaker 2: your standard Mad Margan. Then you have Kit, who is

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Speaker 2: also connected to Mad Martigan and who much of her

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Speaker 2: journey is really driven by wanting to find out what

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Speaker 2: happened to her dad. So it's really interesting that even

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Speaker 2: though the character might not be appearing in the show,

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Speaker 2: you still there's no easy writing that out. They've just

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Speaker 2: decided to embrace that character and kind of the legacy

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Speaker 2: of Vow's performance and build it in in different ways,

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Speaker 2: which I think is really inventive and very comic.

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Speaker 1: Bookie, I have a theory that the Crone is a man,

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Speaker 1: and it's Mad Martigan who he's trying to get his

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Speaker 1: kids back. He just wants to spend time, That's why

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Speaker 1: he wants That's why he kidnapped Eric. He would love

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Speaker 1: to kidnap a Laura Dan and because he's start in.

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Speaker 2: The Memorial City so he can't. Wow, that's terrifying, and

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Speaker 2: I love it. That would be so good. That would

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Speaker 2: be so good. Yeah. And I think that's another fun

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Speaker 2: thing is that we didn't even really touch on is

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Speaker 2: that we haven't seen the Crone yet, but the character

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Speaker 2: designs so far for the scary monsters are like legitimately scary.

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Speaker 2: One of them looks like.

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Speaker 1: A how raised really terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have you know, the flying monsters,

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: the gales. It's very cool to see that high fantasy

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Speaker 2: done in a way where you get both the darkness

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Speaker 2: and the scariness of the monsters. But something that kind

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Speaker 2: of blew me away when I was watching this is

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Speaker 2: I really love the visual landscape the career of the world.

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Speaker 2: It's very colorful, it's very saturated, and the colors are bright,

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Speaker 2: and the world feels very textured. But they're not trying

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Speaker 2: to make it look any different than the original Willow,

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Speaker 2: which was like very woodsy and very nature based. And

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Speaker 2: I just, yeah, it's really fun and I hope a

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Speaker 2: lot of people I know in our discord there's definitely

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Speaker 2: a few people who've checked out their original movie because

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Speaker 2: they really liked the first couple of episodes, and I hope.

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Speaker 1: An interesting movie too. I gotta say, like, when you

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Speaker 1: watch the original Willow, I don't know how many people will,

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Speaker 1: but the thing that struck me rewatching it recently was

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Speaker 1: man Ron Howard wants you to see that they are

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Speaker 1: not on a set like no, the scope of all

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Speaker 1: the shots. There's very few close ups in that movie.

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Speaker 1: It's all these like long shots where you see the

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Speaker 1: background and you see the characters riding on a horseback

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01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: across the hills, and you see the walls of the

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: castle in the background of like the shot, and you

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01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: see the characters head to toe in the in the frame.

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: A really interesting visual style from Ron Howard, like really

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01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: leaning into like the epic scale of it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely I think a lot about even the opening I

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 2: was watching it, so you have this really scary moment

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01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: where you have the kitchen maid definitely nice echo there

1151
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: of what happens with Doff, but the kitchen maid who

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: saves the bay be a Laura Dan and when she's

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01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: just about to be killed so the prophecy can happen,

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: and there's this huge chase through the woods and the

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: death dogs are following her and it's really scary, and

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: they kind of but before they get to her. The

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: opening sequence with the tup where the title comes, it's

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01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: just her chillin' on the side of a bank with

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: the baby, and it just comes up next to it

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Speaker 2: and just says Willow, and it's like, it feels like

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Speaker 2: you're reading one of those incredible pages in any fantasy novel,

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01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: whether it's something like star Dust or it's something like

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01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, it feels like the page where you're

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: reading it, and it's the description of the trickling water

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01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: and the leaves and the wind blowing through the branches.

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: Like Willow really gets into that epic space that fantasy

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: can give you. And I think that that's a fun

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01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: thing about doing a TV show of it, is like

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Speaker 2: you can have time to do your side quest. The

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: movie does have that, like there's some funny stuff where

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: they go to they go to a brothel to try

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: and find somebody to take the baby, and that becomes

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01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: its own of comedic side quest. But here you get

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: to do a whole side quest episode and you have

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: the fantasy side quest, you have the personal side quest.

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Speaker 2: So it's really nice this to me. I reviewed it

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Speaker 2: for IGN. I gave a very very glowing review no surprises,

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: because I thought it was great. But one of the

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: things I pointed out is this, to me feels like

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Speaker 2: if you're going to have a platform like Disney Plus,

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: this is what you should be doing, like taking weird

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: underseen movies and giving them space to kind of expand

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: the law and expand the world and introduce new characters

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: and and kind of reimagine the these kind of tropes

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01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: and fictional spaces. So yeah, I think it's I think

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01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: it's really fun. I'm very cozy, especially if you like

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01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: fantasy already and you want to see a kind of

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01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: adventure party story or a story where you can have

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Speaker 2: recognizable tropes and plotlines and little ideas. It's very cozy

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: and comforting in that way, even though it's you know,

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Speaker 2: predominantly new characters.

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Speaker 1: I have one more wrinkle to my mad martgre is

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Speaker 1: the Crown theory, and it's that he put the curius on,

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: he put the magical set of armor on. But like

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Speaker 1: as Borman was telling us, the lucks are kind of

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Speaker 1: the key that unlocks the suit of armor. It it

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01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: can tell if you're worthy of what much like force hammer, right,

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: he can tell if you're worthy of wearing it. So

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Speaker 1: what happens if you're not worthy of wearing it and

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Speaker 1: you put it on? You get trapped in it? I

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01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: am is trapped in it.

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Speaker 2: I love that that would be so great. I'd love

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: to see where that could go. And kind of I

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: feel like this episode especially leans into this idea of

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: Kit is looking for Eric, but now she's realizing, wait

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01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: a minute, I'm out of the castle for the first time,

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: I can be looking for my dad. And I think

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: this idea of where is Matt Martigan and what happened

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: to him that's probably going to play a key part

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Speaker 2: going into the next five episodes.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it helps us get around you know,

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Speaker 1: Val Kilmer not being able to be in the film.

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Speaker 1: Is this a suit of armor? Folks? Yeah, that's him.

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Speaker 2: And if you want, you can the voiceover. And I

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: believe now it's Vow's son who does all of his

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Speaker 2: voiceover work for him. Yeah. I believe that that was

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01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: something that had come out of a documentary recently, So

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Speaker 2: I think that that's already established that he could if

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: we wanted to have some voiceovers for Kit rather than

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Speaker 2: necessarily a visual and Val did a very supportive He

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Speaker 2: did a very supportive Instagram post recently about the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He you know, he met his eventually wife, Joanne

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Speaker 1: wally Kilmer on Willow, So I'm sure it's a movie

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Speaker 1: that is very special to him and they had you know,

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Speaker 1: his son is his son with Joel Wally Kilmer. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that that is This is a project. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that is special to him and we can't wait

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Speaker 1: to continue following it over the course of the season.

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Speaker 1: Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us on

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision. Rosie, what do you have to plug?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned all your writings on Willow lar Places. What

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Speaker 1: else are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 1: Can you reveal anything of your secret project yet?

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: Not yet, but soon, hopefully soon, because I did. I

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: did just finish the first draft of said secret project,

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: so fingers crossed it will be soon.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to know more about Willow, feel free.

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 2: I wrote a bunch of different pieces. There's going to

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: be a great Willow story in the new Den of

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Speaker 2: Geek magazine. You can get that from your local comic

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01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: book shop. I will be writing a really exciting cover

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: story for Den of Geek in the new year. Too,

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Speaker 2: which hasn't been announced yet, and same as always ign Polygon.

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: We just put out the best Comics of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two at Polygon. I submitted really something about a film

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01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: that I really loved called Slashback for a nerdost piece

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: that will be out soon about the best underseen movies

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01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: and TV of the year. So yeah, lots of fun

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Speaker 2: stuff and always here and Rosie marks on Instagram and letterbox.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode of x ray Vision on December

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01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: sixteenth for.

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Speaker 3: The movie event of the decade.

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Speaker 1: Avatar Way of Water. That's right, folks, it's here.

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Speaker 2: It's watery.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the show on YouTube, follow on at XRB

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: pod on Twitter, and check out the discord to meet

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: and hang out with tons of amazing fans and listeners.

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Speaker 1: Plus Rosie and I will be there. Five star reviews

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Speaker 1: we gotta have them. We love them, meet them, we

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Speaker 1: love to get them. Here's one from Anisha twenty one

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Speaker 1: helps fill the gaps. I love this podcast so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, so much, Anisha, Thank you. I love a

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Speaker 1: lot of fandoms, but can't get into reading comics and

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: high fantasy. They're just not for me. Listening to this

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Speaker 1: podcast helps me fill in the gaps of my knowledge,

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01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,919
Speaker 1: form theories and DRU connections where I haven't seen them previously.

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Speaker 1: Can't recommend it more.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Salt Rubin. The show

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy rhard Are editing

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Speaker 1: and sound design by Vasilli's Photopoulos. Dilon Villanueva and Matt

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: De Group provide video production support. Alex Rella for handle

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Speaker 1: social media. Thank you, Brian Vasquez for theme music. Folks

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Speaker 1: will see you next time. Goodbye.