WEBVTT - Dissecting Diddy

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the

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<v Speaker 1>home office in Austin, Texas. Hope everybody's doing good, LZ.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to dive into, gosh, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre stories, and I think what's going to turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the most bizarre legal cases this

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<v Speaker 1>country is seen in quite some time. I would put

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<v Speaker 1>it up there with the OJ trial, that is, the

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<v Speaker 1>United States of America versus Sean Combs aka Puff Daddy, AKAP, Diddy, Diddy,

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<v Speaker 1>pd Love. I've never heard the ak Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all of his names are literally named in this

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<v Speaker 2>indictment because he's used so many different stage names over

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<v Speaker 2>the years.

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<v Speaker 1>To make sure they cover him. But obviously this is

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<v Speaker 1>up there in the same pond for sure as the

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein situation. That is something we're going to discuss today.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have a very very good coming up that's

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<v Speaker 1>that will break this down with us on the legal side.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know him, Yes, so, Jesse Weber of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lawn Crime Network is joining us. Jesse I did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of spots with him on ET when we had

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<v Speaker 2>ET Live over the years. He's a lawyer and a

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<v Speaker 2>legal expert, and he's just going to give us some

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<v Speaker 2>really good insight here because this case, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually weren't together this weekend. You were on a guy's

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<v Speaker 2>golf trip shocker, and I was home and my mom

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<v Speaker 2>and also the kids came to visit and so. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think we were both separately when we had downtime

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<v Speaker 2>reading about this on Twitter and in the news as

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<v Speaker 2>much as possible. Because you just likened it to Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like in it. I think this could be

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<v Speaker 2>the next Harvey Weinstein type of case, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because of the Hollywood side of it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe a better analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I think both, but I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But bigger because of the you know, the Harvey Weinstein

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<v Speaker 1>of it all is just he was this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>gross figure that people would think on stage, but he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't as front and center as Shawn Combs. Like this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the biggest name. That's why I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>likened it more to the OJ thing because everyone knew OJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, I mean, P Diddy is a massively

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<v Speaker 2>public figure. He's a rapper, he's an actor, he's an entrepreneur.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a clothing line, Sean John. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>built a whole brand and company for decades. Everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>who p did he is, and so there's allegations in

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<v Speaker 2>this indictment against him, and he's been arrested and he

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<v Speaker 2>was denied bail. If you've missed it, it was it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a huge news story.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the past pay twice I believe he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he is being charged with sex trafficking, with racketeering,

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<v Speaker 2>with kidnapping after a grand jury indicted him. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>charged with three counts racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking by force,

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<v Speaker 2>fraud or cohercion, and transportation to engage in prostitution. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I want to bring we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to bring a legal ex on to get into was

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<v Speaker 2>you know what exactly those charges really mean. Something like

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<v Speaker 2>sex trafficking by force is a little confusing to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just want to understand it better. But

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<v Speaker 2>according to the indictment liszt now far back, this goes

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<v Speaker 2>from two thousand and eight to present, members of the

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<v Speaker 2>Combs Enterprise and I'm quoting TMZ summary of it here.

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<v Speaker 2>Members of the Combs Enterprise allegedly engaged in sex trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>forced labor, interstate transportation for purposes of prostitution. Queer's an

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<v Speaker 2>indictment to engagement in prostitution and narcotics offenses, kidnapping, arson, bribery,

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<v Speaker 2>and obstruction of justice. So that's going way back. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest questions here is these videotapes. Allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>there are tapes that were found in Diddy's house, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not really clear what's on these tapes, but it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like all the rumors are that he was secretly

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<v Speaker 2>recording people when he had these huge parties. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>never interviewed Diddy, and I don't think you ever did a.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, you know. I was racking my brain.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people ask me if you interviewed this person, and

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<v Speaker 2>I say, listen to my knowledge, no, But I will

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<v Speaker 2>say I've sometimes come across the footage of myself interviewing people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember it. Because when you're on a

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet, you might have interviewed at an award show

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet one hundred people in a night.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a picture of me someone posted from years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a picture of me and Katy Perry and

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift. Oh yeah, and you remember when Katie and Taylor.

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<v Speaker 3>Were when they were like working their feud out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and someone posted this picture of the three of us,

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<v Speaker 1>not like, you know, at a party or anything. We

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<v Speaker 1>were on the red carpet. I think at the American

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<v Speaker 1>Music Awards. If you would put a gun to my

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<v Speaker 1>head and you said, is there a picture that exists

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<v Speaker 1>of you and Katy Perry and Taylor Swift, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have said no way. So I don't know if I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen him on a red carpet or maybe interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>him possibly, But and that is one thing I also

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention before Jesse comes on. You see these

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<v Speaker 1>pictures on X or whatever people will post a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of like him and Steve Harvey or whatever, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be careful just because you see a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a celebrity in somebody else. To celebrities, especially

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<v Speaker 1>means nothing. That is not a relationship. There is not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a tie there, that's not an indictment. There are hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>if not thousands of people that met Harvey Weinstein that

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<v Speaker 1>probably ran into Epstein, but definitely with p Diddy. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy was on every red carpet in the world. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that necessarily these people are guilty of something

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<v Speaker 1>did something wrong, but that is where we are in

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<v Speaker 1>social media, and that's where a lot of these rumors go.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk to Jesse about this. These rumors turn

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<v Speaker 1>into fact so quickly these days, and then people it's judge,

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<v Speaker 1>jury and executioner in a weekend, and nothing has been

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<v Speaker 1>brought as far as real evidence. And you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be very careful in these situations and where to really

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<v Speaker 1>draw that line between fact and fiction. And I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying sometimes you see a picture and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>whow they friends not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is I think going to be a potentially

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<v Speaker 2>huge thing here is these parties that did he had

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<v Speaker 2>because the sort of center of this indictment is these

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<v Speaker 2>quote freakoffs that he had where allegedly people were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having sex in front of other people and allegedly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people were being forced into.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And they found and this has definitely been a head

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<v Speaker 2>like headline making discovery about one thousand bottles of baby

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<v Speaker 2>oil and lubricant in his house when it was rated

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<v Speaker 2>that was apparently part of this stock of freak off

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<v Speaker 2>party supplies. So that gives you a thousand bottles, gives

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<v Speaker 2>you a bit of an idea of the scope of

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<v Speaker 2>these parties, how often they were happening, how big they were.

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<v Speaker 1>And sex toys that were taken out as well. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it was gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, that's coming back to mind, like hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>yes of Tilda.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well we just said dildos.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I will say over the weekend, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>things are getting brought up on Twitter videos, old video

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<v Speaker 2>interviews of a lot of people acknowledging these parties in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>like Ashton Kutcher is in it. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Hot Ones interview saying who the Diddy parties? Yeah, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot happened at those And there's also questions

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<v Speaker 2>about so I mean a these big parties, they're an

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<v Speaker 2>old I think did he did the Vogue seventy three

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<v Speaker 2>questions video and they asked him, you're famous for your parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's your number one party guest you always want to invite?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, Leonardo DiCaprio, No, no hesitance. There's old

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<v Speaker 2>photos that have surfaced from like he did He's famous

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<v Speaker 2>white party in the Hampton's over Labor Day weekend and

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<v Speaker 2>people are naked in them and and you know, Leonardo

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<v Speaker 2>DiCaprio's there, and so it's like there are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be I think questions of what's on these tapes, who's

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<v Speaker 2>on these tapes, if he was secretly recording people, who's

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<v Speaker 2>on these tapes?

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<v Speaker 3>What might come out?

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<v Speaker 1>But justin bieber of it all is very interesting, So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to get into that. But separately, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to tie up on the party thing. Who was at

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<v Speaker 2>these parties, what happened at these parties? And also was

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<v Speaker 2>there maybe a more celebrity slightly more public version of

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<v Speaker 2>the party happening in one room and other things happening

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<v Speaker 2>behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, So we'll see. But do I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's the potential for big names to come out as

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<v Speaker 3>part of this? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think that's the biggest thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I want to ask Jesse about because the

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<v Speaker 1>I think the biggest problem that everyday people have with

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein lack of trial and lack of public knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>and declaration of what really happened is we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>No names came out and you heard former presidents being named,

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the biggest computer company in the world

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<v Speaker 1>was being named. His wife very famously left Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 1>right as all this stuff was coming out, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, presidents, royal family members, all these people

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<v Speaker 1>were wrapped up in this Epstein situation. Crickets, the media

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<v Speaker 1>dropped it, everyone's dropped it. This you know Jiselne Maxwell

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<v Speaker 1>who apparently knew everything and ate it and embedded in

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing. And then Epstein was suicided and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just gone away. So will I think people for this

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<v Speaker 1>to happen so quickly on the heels of Epstein. One

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<v Speaker 1>of my questions that Jesse is will this just go

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<v Speaker 1>away and be brushed under the rug? Because there are

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<v Speaker 1>high profile people that are clearly in trouble here and

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<v Speaker 1>will go down if this comes out. Lives will be ruined,

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<v Speaker 1>big influential people. Will this be brushed under the rug?

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the Epstein situation?

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<v Speaker 2>And there's definitely that element of why, how in hindsight

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things were going on even on a

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<v Speaker 2>public level that we're just kind of okayed because of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>But really you look back in your life, like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what and I say that to bring up what you

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned, the Justin Bieber thing. So I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>remember this, but what's coming out now. And there's old

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<v Speaker 2>videos of Diddy and Bieber together, and there's old videos

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<v Speaker 2>of Usher talking about this on Howard Stern. Diddy apparently

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<v Speaker 2>took some now very famous but at the time very

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<v Speaker 2>young music stars in to live with him, Usher being

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. Usher went to live with Ditty, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm quoting Usher here. He said this on Howard Stern

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<v Speaker 2>an interview. I just saw for the first time a

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<v Speaker 2>few days ago. He lived with Ditty for a year

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<v Speaker 2>when he was thirteen years old, So I think did

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<v Speaker 2>he even have legal guardianship of him at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is a thirteen year old boy going to live

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<v Speaker 2>with a man he doesn't know for a year in

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<v Speaker 2>his home? And Usher hinted it, Yeah, I saw some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff while I live there. Bieber a very similar thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He was fifteen years old. I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as Usher, but he was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>given to Ditty at least for days at a time

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<v Speaker 2>to understand the industry. For Diddy to teach him about

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<v Speaker 2>the industry. There is a video of Diddy and Bieber

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<v Speaker 2>together Bieber's fifteen, where Diddy says, have you ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>of forty eight hours? We're going to go have forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours and justin here is going to see some

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<v Speaker 2>things that a lot of fifteen year olds would want

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<v Speaker 2>to see, but we're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>disclose what happens over the next forty eight hours. He's

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time, it's funny that people just go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>these are these are rock stars, you know, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest everything's okay it and everything's just okay that

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<v Speaker 1>they get to do. They can do whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 1>And now in hindsight, we look back at these tapes

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, we all witnessed this, right, we all

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<v Speaker 1>saw it go down when we weren't appalled then, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody same thing with you know, with you mentioned Harvey Weinstein.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the worst kept secret in Hollywood, and so

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<v Speaker 1>many people, the biggest names in the industry knew and

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<v Speaker 1>aid and abedded because they just kind of look the

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<v Speaker 1>other way and they were being fitting from Weinstein and

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<v Speaker 1>his movies and his parties and et cetera. No one

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be the person to kind of step out

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<v Speaker 1>of line, and I think we're going to see it

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<v Speaker 1>all over again on a very grand scale.

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<v Speaker 2>What definitely happens is this mass mentality of oh, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, so it's okay, right, it's Hollywood, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know Justin.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never met Justin Bieber's parents, but probably as they're

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<v Speaker 2>breaking him into the music industry, people are saying, oh, well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>did he takes people? And he took usher in and

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<v Speaker 2>so that's normal, and so there it goes. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse's here, so we want to bring him in.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of reminds me a little bit too of the

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson, you know, the mcaulay culkin stuff that came out.

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<v Speaker 2>And we definitely have had the veil pulled back on

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<v Speaker 2>what Child's stars go through and it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a good time to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>to bring Jess into this again. He's an anchor and

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<v Speaker 1>reporter for the Law on Crime Network. He's also hosted

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<v Speaker 1>Crime and Justice and live trial coverage on CNN Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment show A Little Thing called Entertainment Tonight, alongside the

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful Lauren Zima and basically every other entertainment show. Jesse, welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>happy to talk to you, guys. I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 4>of the podcast, Jesse. You're so good at what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you and I first started working together when

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<v Speaker 2>we had you on ET during the Johnny Depp amber

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<v Speaker 2>Herd trial, and your podcast Law and Crime Sidebar became

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<v Speaker 2>something I listened to every day during that trial. And

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<v Speaker 2>now I know you've done already at this point, I

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<v Speaker 2>think four or five episodes on all of the Diddy

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<v Speaker 2>accusations since this came out a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So first I just want to start with what.

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<v Speaker 2>Was your initial reaction when you read the indictment and

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<v Speaker 2>heard the charges.

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<v Speaker 4>Well S, we did four to five episodes a day

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<v Speaker 4>after the end because there's so much here. Now. Look,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people would look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on? What's a freak off? I don't what Diddy?

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<v Speaker 4>Where'd that come from? I had been following this case

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<v Speaker 4>since November of last year, when that first lawsuit was

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<v Speaker 4>filed by Sean Comb's ex girlfriend, Cassandra Venturo So I

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<v Speaker 4>had been following this. From the beginning, I knew he

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<v Speaker 4>was going to get indicted. A lot of people were

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<v Speaker 4>saying it was going to happen at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the summer September. You know, wasn't surprised when you look

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<v Speaker 4>at this and you say racketeering and sex trafficking. It's

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what we expected. It's the same kind of playbook,

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<v Speaker 4>the same allegations that were being asserted against him in

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<v Speaker 4>all of these civil lawsuits. What I thought was remarkable

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<v Speaker 4>was there wasn't more in it. I actually thought that

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<v Speaker 4>he might be charged with more crimes. I thought there

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<v Speaker 4>were going to be things about minors, because that was

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<v Speaker 4>an how that had been circling around Sean Combs. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually thought the indictment would be a little bit metior,

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<v Speaker 4>there'd be more there. But the way that they have

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<v Speaker 4>basically structured it is very similar to the R. Kelly indictment.

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<v Speaker 4>This kind of criminal enterprise, that he is the essentially

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<v Speaker 4>a gang leader, that he's involved in all of these

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<v Speaker 4>crimes like kidnapping and forced labor and bribery. You forget

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<v Speaker 4>for a minute that we're talking about Sean Combs, the

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<v Speaker 4>guy that dominated the hip hop industry, for so long

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<v Speaker 4>and essentially if you believe the prosecutors was running a

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<v Speaker 4>criminal organization. I don't even want to say behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 4>because there's the question of did everybody see this well?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that Lauren and I just made that exact

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<v Speaker 1>point of this was all out in the open. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so brazen. I mean, you look at these old

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<v Speaker 1>interviews and at the time, we're like, oh, that's Diddy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the biggest hip hop star and clothing mogul

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and they're just being silly, They're being Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you look back and I think we our

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<v Speaker 1>eyes have all been open to We mentioned the Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned Harvey Weinstein, and as you just said, r Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another great reference of I think we're now realizing,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, we have been watching this play out

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<v Speaker 1>literally for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse, can you give us we're seeing and what Chris

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<v Speaker 2>and I are reading out here, charges like sex trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>and racketeering in arson, Can you give us just the

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<v Speaker 2>basic understanding of what these charges are against Diddy and

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<v Speaker 2>the gravity of them. And also, since this indictment is

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<v Speaker 2>citing back to two thousand and eight, how is it

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<v Speaker 2>all just coming out now, And how did he hide

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<v Speaker 2>if he's if he did these things, how is it

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<v Speaker 2>all hidden until now?

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<v Speaker 4>Great question. I don't have the answer for that, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know who else doesn't have the answer for that,

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<v Speaker 4>the US attorney. That was the very first question the

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<v Speaker 4>US attorney was asked in the press conference, why is

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<v Speaker 4>this only coming out now? No good answer for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there is a possibility that if you take

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<v Speaker 4>the prosecutor's word for it, power influence buys you a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of leeway. You take one of the allegations that

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<v Speaker 4>he beat up Cassandra Ventur in twenty sixteen, that tape

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<v Speaker 4>was hidden obstensibly he allegedly bribed security officials to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that never saw the light of day. So the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of a cover up, But I also I believe

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<v Speaker 4>that it was because of all those civil lawsuits shedding

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<v Speaker 4>a light on it, these people coming forward, prosecutors looking

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<v Speaker 4>into it. That's why we have the charges right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you want to give credit to credit

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<v Speaker 4>due in terms of this happening, it's Cassandra Ventur. She

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<v Speaker 4>started this, this lawsuit, her lawsuit in November of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three. Is why we have charges against Sean Combs

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<v Speaker 4>today and he's innocent, so proven guilty. But that's why

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<v Speaker 4>we have the charges now. In terms of what the

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<v Speaker 4>charges are, so there's three main charges. They're all felonies.

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<v Speaker 4>First one racketeering conspiracy. So what you're basically saying is

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<v Speaker 4>there has to be an agreement between Combs and others

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<v Speaker 4>to violate racketeering laws. What's that that there is a

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<v Speaker 4>criminal enterprise, a criminal organization. The goal here was to

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<v Speaker 4>basically sexually abuse women, to engage in sex trafficking, kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 4>force labor. That they would use a variety of methods

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<v Speaker 4>to do this, violence, threats, coercion, and as a result

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<v Speaker 4>of this, there was a benefit to Combs, there was

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<v Speaker 4>a benefit to others that were a part of this.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you can show this illegal agreement, if you

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<v Speaker 4>can show this illegal criminal organization with all of these

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<v Speaker 4>underlying crimes, that's racketeering conspiracy and it's a big charge.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, in the indictment, I think that takes up

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<v Speaker 4>the majority of the indictment. They're trying to explain what

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<v Speaker 4>it is and there's so many underlying crimes as part

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<v Speaker 4>of this criminal organization. It's like the mafia. He's essentially

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<v Speaker 4>the don in a way. The second charge is sex

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<v Speaker 4>trafficking by force, fraud, or coercion. That's with respect to

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<v Speaker 4>one victim. We don't know exactly who that is. There

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<v Speaker 4>are those who say Kube Cassandra Ventura. Sex trafficking is

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<v Speaker 4>basically using fraud, coercion, force to have someone engage in

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<v Speaker 4>sexual activity for a commercial purpose. For commercial sex, it's

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<v Speaker 4>either they're paid for it, they're offered something of value,

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<v Speaker 4>they're transported over state lines. That's sex trafficking. The final

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<v Speaker 4>one is trumportation for a prostitution transporting people across state

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<v Speaker 4>lines for the purposes of illegal s ex wort, prostitution.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're three main charges. Again, I was curious if

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<v Speaker 4>there were going to be more, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>built into those. We don't know exactly who all the

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<v Speaker 4>accusers are, we don't know who all the witnesses are,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know all the evidence. But those are the

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<v Speaker 4>three main charges that Sean Combs is currently facing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an old Conan clip of Diddy that has surfaced

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<v Speaker 2>where he says in the clip, well, yeah, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to lock women up sometimes for these parties, and I

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<v Speaker 2>turned the ac down, so everybody gets hot and it

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<v Speaker 2>encourages them to do things. And you're thinking, he's literally

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<v Speaker 2>saying on Conan, how he curates this party, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just said he locks people up and he says that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you almost think, I mean, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess at the time we all think he's joking, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody looks the other way.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look after these allegations and after the indictment, people

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<v Speaker 4>will look at old videos and say, oh, that's proof,

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<v Speaker 4>or that's going to be part of the case, or

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<v Speaker 4>that we don't know for sure. I mean, he could

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<v Speaker 4>have been talking about a random party. He could have

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<v Speaker 4>been talking about what he's accused of doing here. I

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<v Speaker 4>will tell you that that theme, that power, that influence,

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<v Speaker 4>that is consistent in a lot of these cases. And

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<v Speaker 4>not everybody's going to be charged with what Shawn Combs

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<v Speaker 4>is charged with. Not everybody gets charged with running a

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<v Speaker 4>racketeering enterprise or sex trafficking. You have to have the

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<v Speaker 4>ability to do that. You have to have allegedly a

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<v Speaker 4>network of people around you. And so when you see

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<v Speaker 4>somebody like an R. Kelly or what Shawn Combs is

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<v Speaker 4>accused of doing here, it's that rare set of individuals

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<v Speaker 4>who have that ability, the power, the money, the influence

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<v Speaker 4>to not only allegedly engage in these crimes but cover

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<v Speaker 4>it up. That's a big theme of this as well,

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<v Speaker 4>that the reason he never was caught was because he

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<v Speaker 4>pushed everything under the run, and that is equally as disturbing.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, one of the reasons why at

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<v Speaker 4>the time of this broadcast time we're recording, he's currently

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<v Speaker 4>locked up. He didn't get bail. Yeah, because he's accused

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<v Speaker 4>of reaching out to the witnesses and trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>color their testimony. It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the judge said, turn him down twice for bail,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of that was, as you said, tampering, witness tampering,

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<v Speaker 1>but also just she couldn't be sure that even with

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty million dollar bond, that he would ever be

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<v Speaker 1>back in the courtroom, whether it's a flight risk or

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<v Speaker 1>for his own safety. Chances of him actually remaining alive

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<v Speaker 1>and coming back to court probably slim and none. And

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<v Speaker 1>chances of him ever making it alive like Epstein did

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<v Speaker 1>might be slim and none.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, he offered a generous package, right,

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<v Speaker 4>fifty million dollars secured by property. He said, that'll hire

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<v Speaker 4>a third party security team to monitor in twenty four

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<v Speaker 4>to seven, no phone, no internet, He'll give the visitor

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<v Speaker 4>logs who comes to the house. Judge said that's insufficient

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<v Speaker 4>because they were like and there were two judges that

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<v Speaker 4>actually denied this. A lot of this conduct happened behind

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<v Speaker 4>the scenes and the allegations. He might not have a phone,

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<v Speaker 4>but he could get somebody who has a phone, and

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<v Speaker 4>he has this network of people that might be able

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<v Speaker 4>to do it for him. So him on the outside

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<v Speaker 4>would be a danger to not only the alleged victims

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<v Speaker 4>in this case of the witnesses, but the integrity of

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<v Speaker 4>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse, do you think that more as you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this network, what do you think potentially will come out

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of other people being charged or other you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to still come out here as being explosive

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<v Speaker 2>because you just said you thought.

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<v Speaker 3>The indictment was going to be metier than it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Why wasn't it metior And who else could get in

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<v Speaker 2>trouble for all this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think when you're dealing with the Southern District

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<v Speaker 4>of New York or the prosecutors in this case. They

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<v Speaker 4>have experience in this and they're only going to prosecute

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<v Speaker 4>at this point what they have the goods for. There

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<v Speaker 4>might be more down the line. But in one of

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<v Speaker 4>their documents and one of the letters they filed with

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<v Speaker 4>the court, they said they spoke with over fifty witnesses

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<v Speaker 4>and victims. We don't know who those people are. They

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<v Speaker 4>could be very well be the people who are allegedly

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<v Speaker 4>involved in this network. And I think when you charge

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<v Speaker 4>a Sean Combs with three felony counts that could see

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<v Speaker 4>him face obstensibly the rest of his life in prison,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a wake up call to people. We better contact

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<v Speaker 4>the government before they contact us. And I think they've

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<v Speaker 4>already spoken with a number of people they feel very

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 4>confident in this case. They didn't lay out even a

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<v Speaker 4>fraction of the evidence. They have even an idea of

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 4>what the evidence they have. They've obviously been speaking with witnesses.

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 4>They apparently have digital evidence, physical evidence. But this could

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 4>become a time when more people come forward to build

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 4>the case against Shawn Combs and maybe other people. Now,

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 4>to be clear, just be tended a Shawn Combs party

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 4>doesn't make you a criminal, doesn't make you legally liable.

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.000
<v Speaker 4>You would have had to be a part of this.

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.400
<v Speaker 4>You would have had to aid and abt these crimes

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 4>to somehow be a participant in these crimes. And also,

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 4>I can't tell you one hundred percent maybe other than Cassandravntur,

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 4>because a lot of her allegations are very similar to

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.959
<v Speaker 4>what we saw in the indictment. I don't know if

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 4>the other people who filed lawsuits against Shawn Combs are

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 4>the main cooperating witnesses in this case. Very well could

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.360
<v Speaker 4>be the situation. Maybe the government spoke with them, maybe

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 4>they corroborated certain claims. We don't know, but it's very

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 4>possible in the weeks and months ahead, we could see

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 4>an additional indictment. We could see other people charged. But

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 4>right now they're alleging that Seawan Combs is at the

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.479
<v Speaker 4>top of that. And I've been asked, well, he's going

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 4>to name names, right, He's going to give up all

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 4>the details. Why would he do that. They're not going

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 4>to off him a deal that doesn't include prison time

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 4>at a minimum of ten to fifteen years. So the

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 4>idea that he's just now going to talk to get

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 4>some sort of deal, I don't see it happening.

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>We were just talking before he came on one of

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the most disappointing things about the Epstein lack of trial,

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>And obviously he died by suicide technically allegedly, but we

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.439
<v Speaker 1>all expected somebody was going to name names if it

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Epstein, it was Maxwell or somebody, and that there

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>was going to be this. It was going to be

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>this big explosive case of all the people who had

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>been on his island, from the royals to the former

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>presidents to the biggest celebrities or allegedly none of that

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>came out he died. Maxwell came and went, so is

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 1>this going to be history repeating itself? Or are there

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>finally are we going to learn from those mistakes? And

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.199
<v Speaker 1>will there be names being named? Or is this we

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think there's going to be celebrities being because that's really

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 1>what everyone's talking about, is all the big celebrity names

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and involved in all this. Is that ever going to

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>bear fruit or is this just going to go away

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>as well?

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Well? I certainly hope we have more transparency in this

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 4>case than we did in the Epstein case. And I

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 4>think as those documents came out, the number one thing

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 4>that became clear is he was offered a deal that

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>he shouldn't have been offered. And remember this was also

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 4>happening in an earlier time. A lot of this alleged

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 4>conduct that they're talking about from two thousand and nine

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 4>to twenty twenty four. We're living in a day of

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 4>digital media and a lot more is captured on cell phones,

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 4>a lot more on surveillance footage. Hey, we saw that

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 4>video of Cassandra Vntera allegedly being beat up by Sean Combs.

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 4>That piece of evidence right there is more than we

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 4>ever saw in the Epstein case. So there's a possibility

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 4>that we may see more. There's a possibility that there

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 4>are people who are speaking with the government. We will

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 4>never know who those people are. There is a possibility

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 4>that there are celebrities, high profile people that are on

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the government's radar that were never prosecuted, we're never interviewed.

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 4>And there's and even stronger possibility that there are certain

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 4>celebrities who will never say what they witnessed or try

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 4>to distance themselves from Seawan Combs as much as possible.

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.919
<v Speaker 4>So as much as we would hope for full transparency,

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.439
<v Speaker 4>not only just for us, as a society to know

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 4>what was going on. But the victims, the alleged victims

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 4>of these crimes, I can't tell you one hundred percent

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 4>what will happen. We're still in the early stages of this.

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 4>He was just indicted. But when you're in the hands

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 4>of the Southern District of New York, these are very

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 4>serious federal prosecutors and they wouldn't conduct raids like that

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 4>in that fashion unless they felt confident in the case

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 4>and know what the path is moving forward.

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Justin I'm glad that you brought up that you'd been

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 2>following it since November, because now I'm getting a little fuzzy,

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and can you refresh my memory? So I remember Cassandra Ventura,

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>like you said, the singer known as Cassie. So she'd

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.199
<v Speaker 2>been in a long relationship with Diddy and then I

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a bombshell. She sued him right

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>for these allegations against him of abuse, and then it

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>was like he very quickly settled with her. But then

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>that was what started this ball rolling, right, or refresh

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 2>my memory on why they raided his house in the

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 2>first place.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 4>You're one hundred percent right. So it was November twenty

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 4>twenty three, when Cassandra Ventura launches this bombshell lawsuit. I

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 4>mean the idea of the freak offs. That's where I

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 4>heard it for the first time. Unfortunately, I wish I

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 4>never heard it, but that's where I heard it. And

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 4>a lot of these allegations, including that she was beaten

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 4>up at the Intercontinental Hotel in twenty sixteen, was part

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 4>of that. I was reading through it, I did a

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 4>breakdown on sidebar all of this. I said to myself,

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 4>I know, we'll see where this case goes. And then

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 4>she ends up settling the next day. Not uncommon we

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 4>see settlements, but the very next day. You know, Sean

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 4>Combs clearly wanted to keep it quiet, didn't want to

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 4>go through a litigation where all this evidence could come out.

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 4>And from there nine or ten law suits resulted, everything

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 4>from former people who said that they were assaulted by

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 4>him in the nineties. You have a former producer who

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 4>says that he was sexually assaulted and sex trafficked by

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Sean Combs. And as this was going on, whenever you

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 4>see these kinds of civil cases, you say, I wonder

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 4>if the authorities are looking into this. Now a lot

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 4>of these claims were old, so they were too old,

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 4>they were pasted, they were too old for the statue limitations,

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 4>you couldn't bring charges. But when we saw the raids

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 4>at his properties in March, we didn't know exactly what

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 4>they were for. We didn't know then as it happened,

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 4>we learned that they were part of an ongoing sex

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 4>trafficking investigation, and that was consistent with the allegations that

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 4>were put forward in the civil suits. And then our

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 4>next question was, well are these people cooperating with them?

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 4>What evidence was collected? We know his sons were handcuffed

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 4>and detained outside of the la property, and they had

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 4>been listed in these lawsuits as well as being participants

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 4>that was going on, and so as we were trying

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 4>to make sense of that, we knew that there was

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 4>going to There was a report a grand jury was

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 4>impaneled in New York. We knew charges were coming well,

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 4>we just didn't know exactly what those charges would be,

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 4>when they would come, who with the cooperating witnesses would be.

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 4>But what was remarkable is looks as attorney, I hate

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 4>to say this, anybody can sue anybody for anything. That's

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 4>the truth. It doesn't mean they're going to be successful.

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 4>But anybody can see anything when federal prosecutors bring criminal

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 4>charges seemingly done these allegations and use the term freak

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 4>off that has been referenced in those lawsuits. How much

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.719
<v Speaker 4>more credibility does that give those those accusers. How much

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 4>more credibility does it give a Cassandra Vntura. And look,

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 4>there's a number of reasons people settle lawsuits, right, you

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 4>can't falter for settling a lawsuit. We don't know what

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.479
<v Speaker 4>the terms of that settlement were, but I think it

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 4>does give a little bit of credence to what she

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 4>was saying. And obviously it seems to me she's going

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 4>to be a star witness for the prosecution and she'll

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 4>be questioned by the defense. But the idea that federal

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 4>prosecute worked, which by the way, this case probably wouldn't

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 4>have happened if it wasn't for those civil lawsuits. And

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 4>one more thing, half those lawsuits wouldn't have been possible

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 4>if there wasn't a change in the law. In New York.

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 4>They made a law where you had a one year

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 4>look back window to file civil claims that were otherwise

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 4>too old. If they weren't didn't have the ability to

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 4>do that. I don't know if this would have been

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 4>on prosecutors radar. I don't know if any of these

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 4>accusers would have felt comfortable coming forward. And so those

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 4>civil lawsuits, this is a case where you have to say,

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 4>if it wasn't for those, we probably wouldn't have seen

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 4>federal criminal charges.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So everybody's asking about these videotapes from these raids that

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you're mentioning, what is the process for the prosecutors after

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>the raid happens. They get all this digital footage, obviously

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 2>they go through it, and then are they potentially reaching

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>out to people who might have been victims that they're

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>seeing on these tapes? Are they putting together cases against

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe other potential criminals.

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 3>From these tapes? How does that go?

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Because it makes me wonder, as Chris is saying, everybody's

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>asking what names who's on these tapes? And how much

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>will we hear about potentially famous people on these tapes.

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 4>So look, it's a few parts. Number One, they wouldn't

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 4>have been able to get the search warrants to search

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.959
<v Speaker 4>those properties if they didn't have probable costs when you

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 4>search a property to get additional evidence like videotapes, Does

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 4>it corroborate what you've already been told? It corroborates, That

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 4>definitely helps the case. There are other people on those tapes,

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 4>and remember the allegation as Sean Combs had videotape people

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 4>without them knowing. It becomes a question do you let

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 4>the victims know that they are essentially on these tapes

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 4>and what it means if there are other people who

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 4>are on those tapes that are facilitating this abuse, then

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 4>they can come in the crosshairs of federal prosecutors and

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 4>they have to sit down for an interview, and it

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 4>becomes a question of how much you let them know

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 4>what's going on. I've seen a million interrogations where you

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 4>kind of let the subject speak a little bit, and

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 4>when they try to say, I don't know anything about it,

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 4>we have some evidence against you. Sure you want to

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 4>stick with this story? And I think all of this

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 4>was happening behind the scenes for months, building a case,

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 4>reaching out to witnesses, reaching out to alleged victims, corroborating

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 4>their stories. Again, what I took away from the past

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 4>week the two letters from the prosecutors to the judges

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 4>and the indictment was a confidence in the charges that

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 4>they're moving forward with, and they wouldn't have brought this

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 4>case unless they felt they had the goods. And they

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 4>say that there is a wealth of evidence, a lot

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 4>of evidence they have to prove these crimes legally.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to piggyback on what Lauren's asking. So we

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>know they have thousands and thousands of hours of videos

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to comb through, which I can't imagine how daunting and

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>horrifying that is to go through. If someone is being

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>videotaped unbeknownst to them against their will, yet they see

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>a crime committed, someone's with underage or committing some crime,

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that is that is that going to be sticky because

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>this isn't exactly part of a sting operation. You see

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>what I'm getting at. It's like, Okay, well they didn't

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>know the other being videotaped against their will, yet you're

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>watching someone make a you know, commit a crime. Is

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that something they can go after? They could just use

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>it as leverage.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 4>So there's another States across this country have a number

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 4>of laws in place about whether or not someone could

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>be recorded without their consent. There's also revenge porn laws

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 4>and what you can also see is the federal prosecutors

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.959
<v Speaker 4>can't bring state charges. But what they can do, and

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 4>what you saw during the course of this racketeering case

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 4>is they listed a number of crimes that are illegal

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 4>under California or New York law, like kidnapping, forced labor, bribery,

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 4>and they're building that into a larger racketeering case. Okay,

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 4>so what they are basically saying is there's a criminal enterprise.

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 4>We'll show you there's arson here, show you there's kidnapping.

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 4>We're not charging Shawn Combs with that individually, but it's

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 4>part of a larger case to say that he is

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 4>operating this criminal enterprise that engaged in all of these

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 4>different crimes. And they may tack on more because not

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 4>to get too complicated, but for a racketeering case, you

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 4>really only need to prove two underlying crimes. Imagine if

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 4>they can show the jury so much more, and it

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 4>does become a question even if Shawn Combs they can

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 4>prove is guilty of state crimes, and you have state

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 4>prosecutors that want to bring those charges, do you the

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 4>federal case is going to go first. One of the

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 4>things with r. Kelly is I don't even remember how

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 4>many jurisdictions he was charged in, Chicago, Minneapolis, New York.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 4>Federal prosecutors are building a case where essentially, you know,

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 4>he could go to prison. As I'm not emphasizing this

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>light racketeering is twenty years in prison. One of the

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 4>other charges fifteen years to life. If there might be

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 4>enough there is it worth trying to prosecute him in

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 4>a state case right now? But we'll see. But don't

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.399
<v Speaker 4>I think they're building more of those state charges into

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 4>the federal case.

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I think I think we realize he's dead to right,

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>like he's toast.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, he's innocential, proven guilty of an opportunity he.

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Has another analysts said, kind of what you did is

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>like they don't press charges of this type without knowing

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they got this guy dead to write, So let's assume

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you know allegedly he's he's toast. It's this much like

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the Epstein thing. The bigger issues with these situations is

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.959
<v Speaker 1>they're bigger than one man. This isn't just about p Didty,

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not about Sean Combs not it wasn't just about

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein. This goes so much bigger. You know even

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>this week it's you know, doesn't have anything to do

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>with it, We don't know. But then Usher and pink

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>erased all their Twitter history this weekend, and so I guarantee,

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you know there are some very nervous celebrities

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and people in the music industry, in Hollywood business. This

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>thing has to be bigger. It has longer tentacles than

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>just Sean Combs. Correct Remember what have with Harvey Weinstein.

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 4>It was the darling of about and everybody starts to

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 4>say I noticed something, he would talk, but they weren't

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 4>a part of the actual abuse. They weren't there for

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 4>when it happened. This feels a little bit different now.

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I want to be clear about something. If celebrities are

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 4>taking some actions right now after the indictment, I don't

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 4>know what to make of that. I'm not necessarily going

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 4>to say they're a victim or a participant in what happened.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 4>We shall wait and see. But what I can say

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 4>is if he was engaging in this behavior for years

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 4>and people were a part of this, I mean it's

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 4>going to be really hard for those individuals who were

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 4>closest to him or kept attending his events to make

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 4>a public appearance and say no comment or say I

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 4>don't have anything to say about this. It's going to

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 4>be really tough. I'm not saying they'll be charged, but

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 4>to be in a position where you said you didn't

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 4>see any of this going on, Now, what's the defense? Right?

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 4>His defense is going to be kind of heard rumblings

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 4>of it. It was consensual, Yeah, I engaged in freefs. Yeah

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 4>there's a thousand bottles of baby oil. But it might

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 4>be weird to you and me, but this is what

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I engage in. Everything was consensual. Okay. I think that's

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 4>a tough road to go because I think this is

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 4>not just about having sex parties. It's about using force,

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 4>threats violence. That's what the key is. Transporting people across

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 4>state lines, using drugs. It's more nefarious than that. But

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 4>I think the question is again going back to transparency.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 4>Will we ever get the full picture of who was involved,

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 4>who was abused? Maybe maybe not. Look, I'm a lawyer,

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 4>love the law. I think our justice system does a

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 4>great many great things, but it's imperfect. It's imperfect in

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 4>many ways, and that also means in terms of getting

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 4>full transparency. Sometimes it's not about whether somebody did it.

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 4>It's not about what the truth is, it's about what

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 4>you can prove. And so these are three charges, very

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 4>specific charges in terms of getting answers as to everything

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Sean Combs did and was a part of. I don't

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 4>know if this case will help solve all those answers.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I see we mentioned that I first saw your work

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>with the Johnny Depp amber Heard trial, which was a

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 2>televised trial that a lot of people watched. Will this

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 2>because of I mean, some of the horrific allegations made here?

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>How public will this be?

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>How much access will people have considering the high level

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>of public interest in this trial. But it's not, you know,

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a divorce case. It's a serious criminal case.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 4>It won't be. It won't be. Unfortunately, there are no

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 4>cameras allowed in federal courts, let alone New York. I

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 4>think it's a travesty. I think cameras should be allowed

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 4>in every courtroom, including the Supreme Court. Hey, listen, if

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 4>you want a courtroom sketch, that's probably going to be

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 4>the best we get, maybe some reporters explaining what's happening

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 4>in the court. I covered the Harvey Weinstein trial. I

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 4>was in that court a and I did my best

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 4>to be in writing back what was going on. But

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 4>that visual medium, which I think is so important in

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 4>terms of transparency of our legal system, but also important

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 4>for people to see the witness testimony for themselves what

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 4>to make of it. I will tell you there's one danger.

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 4>One danger, and I think this is actually the importance

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 4>of not to tell my organization, but the importance of

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 4>Long Crime and Cydebar. When Johnny Depp Amberhard happened televised,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 4>everybody saw, and I remember, why would Johnny Depp go

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 4>to trial? Why would he want all of his dirty

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 4>laundry air? And then as the case progressed, you saw

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 4>his point of view, You saw the weaknesses of Amber

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Heard's case. You saw this, and I thought it was great.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 4>But what happens is, particularly on social media, people take

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 4>clips and they actually splice it and they create misinformation.

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 4>I was in that courtroom almost every day for that

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 4>six week trial, and I remember seeing people splicing clips

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 4>together and making Amber Heard look worse than she was.

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 4>And that is one of the dangers as well. But

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 4>that is why it's also great to have certain organizations

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 4>like we do here at Long Crime to give people

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 4>the real facts and give people what's happening, and there

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 4>has to be an accurate portrayal of what's happening in

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 4>that courtroom. So as much as I love I would

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 4>welcome cameras in the Sean diddy Comb's trial, we're not

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 4>going to get it, And you know, we lose that ability,

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 4>We're not going to have that risk of people splicing

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 4>information together. But I also will say that I think

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 4>we lose something by not having a how many people

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 4>can actually tell you what happened in the Gleainne Maxwell

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 4>trial in Jeffrey Epstein transcripts people reading it. The visual

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 4>medium is so important, particularly in a case like this.

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when I was covering Britney Spears's trial for ET,

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was when I first learned they don't

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 2>even let you take out your cell phone in the courtroom.

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 3>They don't want you.

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 2>So you have you're furiously, like you said, writing down

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 2>notes on an old school pen and pad and then

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>bringing it out and reporting on it. And it is

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>amazing how little the courtroom scenario has evolved with the

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>evolution of technology. The fact that you just mentioned, you know,

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>we're going to get courtroom sketches. It's wild that they

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 2>don't even let someone take a photograph. I mean, we're

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 2>having someone do an oil painting of P Diddy to

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 2>show him on you know it is hearing it's kind

0:40:58.560 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>of antiquated.

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, I also say, look, you're dealing with very sensitive

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 4>subject matter. Imagine these witnesses testifying about what happened to them.

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 4>You want to add that safeguard. I understand that it

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 4>could be particularly difficult. Actually, remember I was in the

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 4>Harvey Weinstein courtroom and there was a witness testifying and

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 4>it was you could hear a pin drop. Nobody was

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 4>saying anything. We were listening to her account. It was

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.240
<v Speaker 4>right at the moment where she's describing and being abused,

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 4>and she thought somebody in the back of the court

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 4>had taken a picture and she stopped. She goes, if

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 4>someone recording and someone take a picture, and we all

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 4>look nobody was. But it kind of shed a light

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 4>on how tough this is for her, and you know,

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 4>dealing with a case about what we're dealing with this

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 4>subject matter, you can also understand the sensitivity.

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:57.240
<v Speaker 2>And those people deserve their moment in court. On that note,

0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people as we've said, are wondering about

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 2>the celebrit factor here, And you know, I see people

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 2>on Twitter pointing out, Hey, Jennifer Lopez was with P

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Diddy for years and the kind of strangeness that's coming

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to light now, and I think we're all looking back

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>differently of us or living with Ditty at age thirteen,

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 2>or Justin Bieber being fifteen years old and being and

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>spending a lot of time with Diddy who's much older

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>than him and way into being a you know, far

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and away a legal adult over a kid who couldn't

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 2>even drive yet. What do you think is the potential

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much the indictment indicates of you know,

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>some of these famous people being called to be witnesses

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:35.479
<v Speaker 2>in the in this case.

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 4>Well, first I me just say, at the very least,

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 4>it's disturbing. At the very most, it could be something criminal.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 4>We just don't know. Look, as I said, I thought

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 4>it was surprising that there was nothing about underage girls

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 4>or minors being a part of this. They were not

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 4>mentioned all. Now could that change? Yes, is there a

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 4>potential that you could have a witness this big celebrity

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 4>who we might see just talk about the environment, what

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Combs was like, what the parties were like. It has

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 4>to be relevant to some aspect of the case. But

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 4>one of the reasons we do not know who these

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 4>witnesses are, and it's not surprising at the beginning of

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 4>this case we don't is we'll probably won't learn it.

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 4>Closer to a trial, They're going to probably have some

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 4>very sense of information and these could be I mean,

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 4>who attended Shawn Combs's part It wasn't my accountant, Okay,

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't him, It was the you know what I mean.

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 4>It was So it was the people who high profile

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 4>celebrities that can document what happened. And I imagine that

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 4>number could grow, and as more people come forward. By

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 4>the way, and as the prosecution builds their case, Seawan

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Combs may want to take a deal, And what I

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>mean by that is he's not not going to get

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 4>prison time, but there is a difference between thirty years

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 4>in prison and life in prison. So as the prosecutor's

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 4>case gets stronger, potentially and more people come forward. In

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 4>the United States, attorney said that this is an ongoing investigation.

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 4>Perhaps those celebrities are coming forward and giving their side

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 4>of events about what happened. But if Justin Bieber is

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 4>being subpoenaed or Jennifer Lopez, we don't know. At this point.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 4>We don't know if they've cooperated, but it would certainly

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 4>be telling, and I think that it's I don't think

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 4>it's a stretch of the imagination to say they probably

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 4>have information. What that information is, how it fits into

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 4>the overall criminal case, We're not sure. But people who

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 4>were in Shawn Combe's orbit, there are the people you

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 4>want to talk to.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>But you said you don't think he will be naming

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 2>names because there wouldn't be anything valuable to Diddy to

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 2>do that.

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 4>Usually in a case like this, you would name names

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 4>to strike a deal. But when he is accused of

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 4>what he's accused of doing, not just being a participant,

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 4>but being the leader. And let's remember what he's accused

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 4>of doing. He's accused of sexually abusing multiple people and

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 4>using violence and threats and drugs to do what he wants.

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 4>That he allegedly obstructed justice as a video of him

0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 4>allegedly beating Cassandra Ventura in that open environment a hotel hallway,

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't imagine that he's not going to get significant

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.280
<v Speaker 4>prison time. So even if he's he's fifty four years old,

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 4>Let's say they say, you know, fifteen years in prison

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 4>or ten years in prison, that's a big chunk of

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 4>his life. He may say, listen, I think I can

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 4>fight this. You know. One of the questions I keep

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 4>getting ask is why didn't Sean comes just leave the

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 4>country he new charges were coming, he voluntarily came to

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 4>New York. Why would he do that? Two reasons. One,

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 4>I actually think he thought he could make bail. I

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 4>think that he thought if I was as cooperative as possible.

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 4>I gave my passport over to my lawyers. I told

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 4>the prosecutors where I was going. I'm not a flight risk.

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll be at home arrest for one to two years,

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 4>and I think I could actually win this case. He

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 4>won in the past. He's never gotten in trouble like

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 4>this before. He might be able to say it was consensual.

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 4>He might think he can have a chance to beat it.

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 4>The other way is it's really really tough to try

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 4>to leave the country. I can always see it on TV,

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 4>But to go to a non extradition country to get

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 4>a pilot to agree to you to take you there.

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 4>If federal prosecutors got wind of him trying to leave,

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 4>they would have arrested him on the spot. But I

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>think the point is he might believe that he can

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 4>beat this case and he might want to risk it

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.439
<v Speaker 4>roll the dice as opposed to just taking a deal,

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 4>because when you take a deal, you forfeit your rights

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 4>to appeal. That's it. You take a deal, you're going away,

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.399
<v Speaker 4>unless under extreme circumstances something happened where that deal wasn't

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 4>valid or was made under false pretenses. You accept a deal,

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 4>you're serving that time. And I don't think he wants

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:30.280
<v Speaker 4>to agree to that.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned some time. I think what people listening will

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>want to know too is when is this all going

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to play out? You know, we would love for this

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to play out immediately, that's not how the legal system works.

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>So what is the actual timeline? What is next?

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<v Speaker 4>So by law, Shawn Combs would have a right to

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<v Speaker 4>a speedy trial, kind of put the fire to the

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 4>prosecutor's heels. I don't imagine he's going to want to

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 4>do that. If you want to actually properly defend this case,

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I think they're going to file a motion to basically

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.240
<v Speaker 4>say that this is a complex case. There's a lot

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 4>to go through, and in federal cases like this, they

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 4>might not see a trial for a year, year and

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.760
<v Speaker 4>a half, maybe two years. There's a lot of material

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 4>to go through, and unfortunately for Sean Combs, we now

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.760
<v Speaker 4>have learned that he is going to spend that time.

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think that is the important thing to remember

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 4>is this has to stay in the public consciousness. This

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 4>is in a very very important story. And although we

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 4>don't have these hearings or the trial to be televised,

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 4>what we've seen already through transcripts and reporters and filings

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 4>is we're getting a good sense of what this case

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 4>is about. But in terms of a resolution, we're probably

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 4>not going to see that, maybe till the end of

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five, maybe beginning of twenty twenty six, that's

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:48.399
<v Speaker 4>my guess right now, but.

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 3>We'll see wow, and he'll be in jail until then.

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 4>As of right now, I mean he is trying to

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 4>appeal it to a higher court. But here's the difference,

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of law for you. So when we

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 4>had the first judge magistrate judge decided the issue of

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 4>bail denied it. It was appealed to a district court

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 4>judge who doesn't have to listen to the magistrate judge.

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 4>This district court judge can review it, anew can review it.

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 4>From the beginning with fresh set eyes was not convinced either.

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 4>The next court that they're appealing it to actually has

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 4>to give deference to this lower court judge. So unless

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 4>they can say this was completely improper, this is going

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 4>to be upheld. And I mean, if you hear the

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 4>arguments for why the judge denied bail, they make sense.

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:35.879
<v Speaker 4>You might not agree with it, but they make sense.

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 4>The idea of him being in danger of flight risk

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.840
<v Speaker 4>reaching out to witnesses allegedly that I don't see a

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 4>situation where he gets much relief.

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jesse, we're going to let you go, but I

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:49.720
<v Speaker 2>want to ask you, because we've brought up Epstein, Weinstein, R. Kelly,

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 2>knowing what you know about those cases and now about

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>these allegations against P Diddy, where does he fall in

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>terms of the scope of the alleged criminal network he

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>was run and how bad all these charges are. Where

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 2>does he rank against what are now these very nefarious

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and notoriously horrifying, but celebrity and fame filled cases that

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>we've seen in the public eye.

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of similarities. It's the terms of power, influence, fame,

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the ability to use these certain means and methods to

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 4>get what you want. What you are dealing with is

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 4>a consistent theme of people who use this for their

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 4>own sexual gratification and desires, and it's pretty disgusting and sick.

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, every allegation is a little bit different. But

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 4>if you're talking about what Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for,

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 4>and you're talking about what R. Kelly was convicted for,

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 4>and what you're talking about Sean Colmes is being accused of,

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 4>there is this common similarity. But in terms of running

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:52.359
<v Speaker 4>a network, if you believe the allegations put forward by prosecutors,

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:57.280
<v Speaker 4>it's very similar to Epstein and it's very similar to R. Kelly.

0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 4>There have been comparisons. We did comparisons on sidebar where

0:49:59.920 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 4>do it rank? Where does how do you match up

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 4>the R. Kelly case versus the Jeffrey Epstein case. We

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 4>actually interviewed the former prosecutor who put R. Kelly away

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:11.959
<v Speaker 4>and there are very consistent similarities. And he was charged

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 4>with sex trafficking and racketeering. That's what Colmbs is being

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 4>FA is charged with, and these are charges that actually

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 4>make sense for this conduct. It's deplorable if you take

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 4>this as true. Again, he's innocent until proven guilty. But

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 4>these are really really sick allegations. And as I said before,

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 4>not everybody would be charged with this. Not everyone have

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 4>the ability and the means to do stuff like this,

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 4>And it's just it's really frightening to think about who

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 4>someone who gave a public perception. I mean, these were

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.879
<v Speaker 4>people who were beloved, not Epstein, but these were people

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 4>who beloved R. Kelly, Harvey Weinstein, the darlings of Hollywood music,

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:55.320
<v Speaker 4>hip hop entertainment. To see what was allegedly happening behind

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 4>the scenes air quotes is just even to this day,

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of unimaginable think about.

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, well, Jesse, thank you so much for

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>being with us. And again you guys check out Lawn

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Crime Sidebar Jesse's podcast. This is our one episode on

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the p Diddy situation, but I think he's got at

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>least five or six ups, so there's so much more

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 2>in depth.

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 3>And Jesse, I know you spoke with several experts.

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 2>There is there any one episode do you think people

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.879
<v Speaker 2>should start with on sidebar if they're really interested in this.

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think when we break down the indictment like

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 4>day one, almost in real time, I think I filmed

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 4>that literally twenty minutes after I got it. Wow, that

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 4>was interesting. And then there was an episode where I

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 4>interviewed the former prosecutor who put R. Kelly away and

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 4>comparing that case with this case. I think it's pretty informative.

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 4>So I hope everybody can check it out. And thank

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 4>you both so much for having me on. Such a

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:46.719
<v Speaker 4>pleasure talking to you both.

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your expertise. It was good to meet you,

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and we will probably be talking to you again about this.

0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you Jesse. And you can also check him

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>out on the Lawn Crime Network. Jesse, so good to

0:51:58.280 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 2>see you again.

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:00.439
<v Speaker 4>Good see you both.

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, our thanks to Jesse, who's also a contributor

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 1>now on News Nations so you can see him everywhere.

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And I see why by the way the way he

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 1>can simplify and cut this up into bite size little

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>nuggets for simpletons like myself, it helps because these are

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>big broad terms. Like you said, you hear racketeering, you

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.360
<v Speaker 1>hear these kidnapping, and I know, we know what kidnapping is,

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but you're like, how is this applicable to Sean Colmbs

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and what's going on? So it's nice to have somebody

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.399
<v Speaker 1>really break this apart and kind of spoon feed us

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.280
<v Speaker 1>what's really happening and when will it happen.

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think he really put into perspective how nefarious

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.720
<v Speaker 2>the soul is. I mean, not that it wasn't lost

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>on me, but like you said, sometimes the legal jargon,

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we think of kidnapping and you think of a TV

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 2>show and somebody getting thrown in a trunk, and there

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 2>were a lot of horrible allegations thrown out, but seemingly

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>part of this alleged bigger network of you know, and

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>like you said, the influence of power and money and

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 2>what that can do. And I'm glad that Jesse brought

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>up cass He called her Cassandra Ventura, but she's known

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 2>as the singer Cassie who had dated Culms from a

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 2>very young age and her bravery and coming forward. You know,

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 2>when you think about the influence he had over people's

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:23.280
<v Speaker 2>careers from a very young age, that was incredibly powerful,

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and he was incredibly powerful.

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 1>He was a king maker and a lot of these

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.280
<v Speaker 1>people are they can make your career.

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>He had that show, Remember the show on him was

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 2>at MTV or vh one making the band. He literally

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 2>had a reality show where he made you know that

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>female pop group's career and I know that I'm Aubrey.

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Oda is someone who'd spoken out against him many times

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 2>over the years, but he was also an incredible person

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:50.399
<v Speaker 2>of influence doing the voter Die campaign, his clothing line,

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:55.840
<v Speaker 2>appearing in movies, everything that he did made him seem

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to be someone you would idolize. And this is really

0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 2>pulled back the veil and we will see where it

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 2>goes from here. So thank you again to Jesse. Go

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>check out his podcast if you're interested.

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:08.640
<v Speaker 3>In more, and we'll see where this goes.

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>And we will do it again next time because we

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 1>have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening.

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