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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and I'm recording this from the Katie Cave,

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Speaker 1: which looks suspiciously like an apartment with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: dog toys on the ground. Since we're all stuck in

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Speaker 1: self isolation mode, I thought I'd bring a bit of

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Speaker 1: nature to you, put it right in your ear holes.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what the animals are up

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Speaker 1: to right now. That's right, We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: goat invader macaque riots and what pandas are up to

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Speaker 1: with some added privacy. Discover this and more as we

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Speaker 1: answer the angel question. When you let penguins take over

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Speaker 1: an aquarium, what's next the world? So, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's constructive or accurate to celebrate the quote return of

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Speaker 1: nature during a pandemic. Not only is it insensitive to

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Speaker 1: the human suffering in the wake of COVID, it's lacking

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Speaker 1: in nuance. It also pits humans against nature in a

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Speaker 1: way that I think is unnecessary. I've seen tweets claiming

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Speaker 1: that nature has just hit the reset button, or that

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Speaker 1: it turns out where the virus, which seems to imply

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Speaker 1: that climate change in ecological destruction is the fault of

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Speaker 1: your average, everyday human. The truth is humans and nature

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Speaker 1: have lived together for hundreds of thousands of years. It's

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Speaker 1: true that mankind has had a huge impact on the

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Speaker 1: natural world, especially recently, since seventy wildlife populations have decreased

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Speaker 1: by sixty percent. That's a massive acceleration just in the

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Speaker 1: past fifty years due to increased deforestation, industry, and fossil

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Speaker 1: fuel emissions. But cutting back on our destructive habits doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean we should view things as humans versus nature, or

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Speaker 1: that our existence in nature are mutually exclusive, and indeed,

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Speaker 1: blaming the state of the ronment on the average person,

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Speaker 1: especially the most vulnerable among us, who will be the

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Speaker 1: most impacted by the virus, doesn't make much sense and

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Speaker 1: ignores the huge institutional problems that are really driving ecological destruction.

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Speaker 1: But beyond that, it's oversimplifying a complex situation. To say

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Speaker 1: a pandemic is good for nature is generalizing an issue

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Speaker 1: that has many unknown or rapidly unfolding consequences. What we

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Speaker 1: do know is that a reduction in some types of

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Speaker 1: human activity such as traffic and emissions made by factories

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Speaker 1: can be good for the environment, but that's something that

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Speaker 1: can be accomplished without the deadly threat of a virus.

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Speaker 1: So today we'll be checking in on some of our

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Speaker 1: animal friends to see how they're coping with the strangeness

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic, and I'll also be debunking some viral

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Speaker 1: stories spoilers. I'm happy to say that a cute story

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Speaker 1: about kittens is true, and I'll tell it to you

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Speaker 1: near the end of the show. Joining me today to

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Speaker 1: and host of so many podcasts and overall talented Gil

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Speaker 1: Drew Jones. Hi, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me. So we are recording this remotely. You are

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Speaker 1: in your your little station. I'm in mind. How how

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Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm good. I don't think my cat

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Speaker 1: friends of mine who have cats talk about how their

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Speaker 1: cat is starting to get tired of their presence and

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Speaker 1: wondering when they're going to leave. Has your cat been

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Speaker 1: sending you subtle signals? That they're tired of seeing you.

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Speaker 1: She yeah, she'll her name's Dolly after Dolly Poong, why not.

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Speaker 1: And she used to be so cuddly, but now she'll

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Speaker 1: wait till I'm in like a deep sleep or doing

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Speaker 1: you know, she'll sit like directly on my face. So

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Speaker 1: I suffocate, like she's just right. Yeah, passive aggression. Passive aggression. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: my my dog has learned that I can't leave, so

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Speaker 1: So she's you know, she's actually she's done the same

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Speaker 1: seems to be a phenomenon. Word like pets are now

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Speaker 1: sitting on our faces. Maybe they're like misinterpreting the news

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Speaker 1: thing about this story, that the water is actually clearer,

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Speaker 1: Like there's actually a story of a swan attacking a

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Speaker 1: And it's just they are not They look very graceful

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Speaker 1: But it's really funny because it's these typically very graceful animals,

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Speaker 1: You gotta google of aquita because you gotta see it.

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Speaker 1: They are adorable. They are so cute. They're really tiny.

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Speaker 1: They're actually a porpoise. But they are absolutely adorable, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately they are critically endangered. So they have a tiny

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Speaker 1: There's another endangered species that often gets fish called toto,

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Speaker 1: a buff fish, and so the vacida is actually often

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Speaker 1: it's bad for people, but it's good for nature is

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Speaker 1: really simplistic and short sighted. Because there's a marine conservation

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Speaker 1: be clear for their beautiful calls of comb get some loose.

427
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Speaker 1: When we return, we'll talk about how animals and zoos

428
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: are coping, and yes, some of them are going comb

429
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Speaker 1: get some of this. We're going to discuss how animals

430
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: and zoos are responding to the sudden absence of visitors.

431
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: But first I want to talk about how the pandemic

432
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: fits into the larger picture of conservation. I'm pretty sure

433
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: most of you all listening right now care about animals

434
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: just because they're rad and awesome, as do I. But

435
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: as you may be well aware of, carrying a about

436
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: the environment is also necessary for human survival. A study

437
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: from Stanford University has found that forest loss and human

438
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: encroachment on animal habitats makes it much more likely that

439
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: a virus will jump from animal to human. The more

440
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: we are in direct physical contact and conflict with wild animals,

441
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: the more likely there will be a case of viral transmission.

442
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about the case of a tiger with

443
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: COVID to demonstrate that this is not a one way street.

444
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: But first, do animals miss us? So, Drew you say

445
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: you grew up on a farm, yep and Kentucky. So

446
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: moving from a farm environment to like uh l a

447
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: where there's not really that kind of seen here much,

448
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: Like what what is that? Like? Like do you miss

449
00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: having sort of that Um, I guess that seeing animals

450
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: on a daily basis like that? Or like I guess

451
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: I should ask like what what it was like on

452
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: the farm, Like what kind of farm it was, and

453
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: like what your relationship was with the animals. Yeah, so

454
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: the farm, like my family's like a couple of acres

455
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: in particular, we didn't have a lot of big animals.

456
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: We had um more and so like pigs and chickens

457
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: and um goats, you know, lots of dogs. We were

458
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: pretty just like a we're more like for it was

459
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: to enjoy rather than to harvest or anything like that.

460
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: But the land surrounding us a lot of those people

461
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: had you know, the bigger the cows, the horses and

462
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: all that. And I definitely think moving to l A,

463
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: there's um the sound quality is very different because obviously

464
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: both are noisy, but for different reasons. Here, I hear

465
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: cars all the time. There, you know you heard clucking

466
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: or mowing or cricket, um like whatever. Um, So the

467
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: sound qualities different, and the air qualities a lot different too.

468
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Fresh air. I feel like, yeah, mog is very real.

469
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: The reason I ask is I want to talk about

470
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: like what's happening with zoos right now because for a

471
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of people, zoos are one of the few ways

472
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: that you can kind of connect with animals in a

473
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: in a city. Um. Obviously issues about zoos are pretty complicated,

474
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: but I think there are a lot of zoos that

475
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: are really do care about like animal welfare and take

476
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: care of their animals. Well. I really like the San

477
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: Diego Zoo. I think they do a good job with

478
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: conservation and taking care of their animals and doing a

479
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: lot of public education. Um. And then because there's also

480
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: the flip side of like have you seen a tiger king? Oh? Yes,

481
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: Like there's definitely a flips to zoos where it's like

482
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: there's an ugly underbelly of um of zoos where it's

483
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: very clearly not a good situation for the animals. It's

484
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: a it's a interesting show, but very very horrifying. What

485
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: what's happening to these big cats? Um? So, I think

486
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: one thing we don't necessarily think about with zoos closing.

487
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Obviously it's going to be different for people because where

488
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: we we don't get to have this kind of cultural

489
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: enrichment anymore. But the flip side of that is like,

490
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: what what are animals up to in zoos right now?

491
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Without human visitors? And so obviously zoos have to keep

492
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: running behind the scenes. You can't just like just leave

493
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: the zoo to run itself. Um And this is an

494
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: interesting experience, I'm sure for caretakers at the zoo because

495
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: they have to now worry about uh COVID and trying

496
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: to reduce their exposure to each other and and stay

497
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: keep their social distance with each other. But also they

498
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: have to keep taking care of the animals. And interestingly,

499
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: so you'd think like, oh, like without humans there, the

500
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: animals are just gonna have like a total field day.

501
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: But for some of the animals, at the zoo's zookeepers

502
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: are reporting that it's actually a weird change for them.

503
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: So an employee at the Edinburgh Zoo in Scotland, Darren McGarry, says, quote,

504
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: the chimpanzees start to wonder why there's nobody wandering around

505
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: and they go to the window to look for people.

506
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: We've got orangutans and chimpanzees and they do get used

507
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: to people and the way you work around them, the

508
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: routine that you have, and as soon as you start

509
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: changing things, animals aren't particularly pleased about it. So at

510
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: least some animals might actually kind of miss people visiting them,

511
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting. Yeah, I was gonna say,

512
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: I have a good buddy of mine who works at

513
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: the Louisville Zoo, and um, he was talking about on

514
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: his Facebook about how strange it is, you know, not

515
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: having anybody comes into these animals at the zoo because

516
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: in a way, these animals are almost like domesticated in

517
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: the sense that like they kind of they're used to

518
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: interacting with humans, whether it's just through a glass or whatever.

519
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: So it is kind of weird that, like he was like, imagine,

520
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, just leaving your dog for a month and

521
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: it I'm like interacting with it and I'm playing with

522
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: it like your dog would fill some type of way.

523
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of these animals are. And I

524
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: thought that was a really interesting way to put it. Yeah. Yeah,

525
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: because one of the downsides of zoos is obviously providing

526
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: the animals with enough enrichment, and it's something that a

527
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: lot of zoos are really they struggle with, but they're

528
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: really good at trying to get the animals as much

529
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: enrichment as they can. But again, like people, visiting animals

530
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: can actually be a form of enrichment for them, especially

531
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: for more intelligent animals like the great apes, where they

532
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: get to watch people. I mean, one of my favorite

533
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: things to do at the San Diego Zoo is to

534
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: go just kind of sit chill out next to the

535
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: guerrillas and they watch you and they're interested in you,

536
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and it's I think that's you know, it's kind of

537
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: one of these It's such an interesting duality. Obviously, the

538
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: most optimal environment for an animal is going to be

539
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: their natural habitat, but in a zoo environment, not having

540
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: visitors can and not having the same routine, like not

541
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: having all the crew in terms of like everyone, all

542
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: the zookeepers and the regular staff like that that is

543
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: going to be difficult for a lot of the animals

544
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: who you know, rely on those interactions for enrichment. But yeah,

545
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: that that is that is very interesting. Like like I

546
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of my point throughout this whole episode is like

547
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: how how complex our relationship is with animals and how

548
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's easy to say like oh,

549
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: like with with people not going to zoos, like you know,

550
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: the animals are going to be better off somehow like

551
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily true. Um, but in in one case,

552
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: in a very kind of funny way, uh, there are

553
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: a couple of animals who may be enjoying their privacy.

554
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: So have you heard about the pandas that have finally

555
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: had a chance to get it on because they have

556
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: some privacy from human visitors. I just saw the video

557
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: of it on Twitter, and I was like, why is

558
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: there a video of panda's mating. It's a rare occurrence.

559
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like seeing Hayley's comment, It's a beautiful, beautiful,

560
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: rare occurrence in nature and we must watch it. It's

561
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: totally not weird and perverted. I think we could all

562
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: I think human kind could take a note from pandas

563
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: about a little more careful with our p d A well.

564
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's an interesting thing. So at the Ocean

565
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Park Zoo in Hong Kong, the zoos Pandas yingi and

566
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: Lily Uh successfully made it after trying for ten years.

567
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: So pandas are notoriously bad at mating, especially in captivity.

568
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: So the reason for this is that females are only

569
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: receptive a few days every year to mating, so they

570
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: only go in estris like I think, like summer d

571
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: less than a week and it only happens like once

572
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: a year, and so males really only have this one chance.

573
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: And then males can be kind of bad at the

574
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: reading the signals that the females are giving off, like

575
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: the scent and the body language that they're actually an

576
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: estris and can can successfully made at that time. So

577
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: sometimes the males just don't even realize it's happening, or

578
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: they misread a sign and they try to mate, like

579
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: when the female isn't receptive in the female is not

580
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: going to be happy about that. So in the while,

581
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: even though it's still kind of tricky. They because there

582
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: are larger groups of pandas, mating is a lot easier,

583
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: so females are able to have their pick of males.

584
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: And obviously this also has an implications for like, as

585
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: panda populations decrease, it makes it even more difficult to

586
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: keep the populations up because like, the more choice of

587
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: mates you have, like, the more likely panda maating is

588
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: going to happen. Because apparently pandas are really picky. So

589
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: panda's only want to mate with another panda if they're

590
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: attracted to that panda. Who who would have thunk? I think,

591
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 1: I think I could take a lot of notes from

592
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: female pandas. They have high standards. I think it is

593
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: funny because maybe there's sometimes a conception that animals we'll

594
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: just like mate with whatever they don't they aren't very

595
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: fussy about it, like they they aren't choosy or selective,

596
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: But in fact, a lot of animals are very selective

597
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: about who they mate with, and it can have to

598
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: do with like, quote unquote attraction, like especially birds. Like

599
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: birds will make their choices and mates depending on whether

600
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: they find them esthetically pleasing. So I think that sometimes

601
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: animals are a lot more similar to us in this

602
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: way than we may suspect, like they can be choosy too.

603
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: They look female. Pandas have standards all right, Like they're

604
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: not just gonna, you know, do there. I don't know

605
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: what would it be like bamboo and chill with any

606
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: old guy. It is comforting to know that um males

607
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: of anti species like can't catch a hint about what

608
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: right right? Exactly? Yeah, we we share that experience with

609
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the Panda's definitely bonding with the panda on the whole

610
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: new level that I wasn't wasn't prepared for exactly. Yeah,

611
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: but so so Obviously, mating is difficult for pandas in

612
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: captivity because imagine like you're abducted by aliens. You're dropped

613
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: on an alien planet with like one other dude. Like

614
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like you gotta get to know

615
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: each other. You know, you have to have some chemistry.

616
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: You can't just like you're not just gonna be like

617
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: all right, let's have a baby, like right now. Yeah,

618
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: I actually didn't even think about that, Like you're basically

619
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: just making an arranged marriage for these animals. It's like

620
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: chopped on a planet with like Danny, DeVito, Like I

621
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be super excited about that. Well speak for yourself.

622
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: I would be over the moon. I love a Danny DeVito. Yeah.

623
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Speaker 1: So what's interesting is, yeah, it's these pandas have been

624
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to mate sort of awkwardly for about ten years

625
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: and they have finally had a successful uh oh natural

626
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: mating so like not not artificial insemination or anything. Um

627
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: where where they Yeah, they they made it just the

628
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: good old natural, old fashioned style, if you know what

629
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean. And it makes me wonder if, like the

630
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: lack of stress that comes from a lot of visitors,

631
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: maybe that made it like easier for them to focus

632
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: on each other or to relax and be able to mate.

633
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. We don't know if that's the case,

634
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: but it certainly could be. I mean. On the other hand,

635
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: it is pandamating season between March and May, so happy

636
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: pandamating season, Drew. Are you having a good panamating season?

637
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: Gather around the pandamating tree. Uh, string up the panamating lights.

638
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's panamating season and the pandas started flirting

639
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: back in March. Um Apparently Lee left some scent markings

640
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and started smelling ying ing um, which I think is

641
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: very romantic. It's interesting, like I can't confidently say, like, yeah,

642
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: the panents started humping as soon as we turned our

643
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: backs on them because they just wanted some privacy. But

644
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: it does seem to be that maybe maybe there is

645
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: some effect, like maybe the quietness and the solitude, like

646
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: was it helped helped set the mood for them, you know,

647
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean maybe like not having people constantly trying to

648
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: interact with them and get their attention kind of they're like, well,

649
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: we're here, we might as well get to it. Yeah.

650
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like so much stimulation from like watching people

651
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: all day, like without that they have to look at

652
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: each other and make eye contact and have conversations, you know,

653
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: like those difficult conversations they've been putting off about like

654
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: family planning and stuff, Like now they finally have to

655
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: have those. Yeah. Maybe they agreed on a name finally,

656
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: and now they're ready to start a fan Yeah. Well hope, Yeah,

657
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: hopefully a baby panda has been conceived. You know, we

658
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: don't know yet, Like it takes a while for pandas

659
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: to show signs of pregnancy. I think, so we won't

660
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: know for a while but fingers crossed. Yeah, I would

661
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: love that. Baby pandas are like the cutest thing in

662
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: the world, So I hope they when they first come

663
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: out though they look like a weird pink naked mulerat Verifying,

664
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: but they look like little aliens. But all most babies,

665
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: I I never think babies are couper cute when they're

666
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: fresh out of the mom, like pandas when they when

667
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: they're fresh hot out of the mom, just like they

668
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: do like little worms. But like give them little month

669
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: or two and they start to get key. I mean,

670
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: like it's funny because I think newborn babies are cute.

671
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: But I think they're cute of every species. So even

672
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: the weird bird babies that come out looking like like

673
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: odd alien worm things like, I think those are cute.

674
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: So I'm at least consistent with what I think is cute.

675
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about You may have

676
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: heard this the tiger who tested positive for COVID. Y. Yeah,

677
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: so this is actually true as far as I can tell. Nadia,

678
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: the tiger at the Bronx Zoo tested positive for COVID,

679
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: which is of great note for a number of reasons.

680
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Um So, COVID we already know it's zooonotic, meaning it

681
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: can jump from animals to humans, and apparently now it

682
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: has jumped from at least one human to a tiger.

683
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Zookeepers suspect that one of the zoo keepers was asymptomatic

684
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: and transmitted the virus to Nadia the tiger. She is

685
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: the first confirmed case of feline COVID. She was tested

686
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: after she exhibited signs of a dry cough. And there

687
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: are other big cats at the zoo that also seemed

688
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: to be getting sick, although they haven't received a test.

689
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: So like, to give the test to the tiger, they

690
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: have to sedate it, and it's a big process, and

691
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: so like, basically the risks now outweigh the benefits of

692
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: testing the other big cats that they're just assuming that

693
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: cats that show the same symptoms are probably sick with COVID.

694
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to underplay the fact that this is alarming,

695
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: but I also don't want people to like really panic.

696
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: It's a it's concerning, but it's not. So here's some

697
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: of the currencerns that I want to address first is like,

698
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: and I know this is mostly a joke and it's

699
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: but people are saying like, wait, why is a tiger

700
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: getting a test ahead of like humans? So apparently the

701
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: tests given to tigers are it's a feline tests, so

702
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: it's completely different from the test given to humans. So

703
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: it's not like the tigers are getting human tests, So

704
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Another concerned people have is you know,

705
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: like like yourself, you have a cat, and a lot

706
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: of people have cats who are worried that they are

707
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: going to either give COVID to their cats or get

708
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: COVID from their cats, Like, has that been a concern

709
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: of yours or have you thought about that? I've thought

710
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: about when it was going around the cats could get COVID.

711
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: I had a few friends who are a cat haters,

712
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: who are like Sea, that's why you should get wrong

713
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: with your cat, because give me coronavirus. But I wasn't

714
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: too worried about us because we've really been locked up.

715
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: But I'm more so thought about how much healthier my

716
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: cat probably us than I am, because like, I make

717
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: sure she eats super healthy food, and she's really at

718
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: she you know, goes a bar on a Saturday night

719
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: and up at a taco bell like I imagine system

720
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: is a lot stronger than I. Well, I'm I'm glad

721
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: you're not. I'm glad you're not panicking, and you shouldn't.

722
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: You shouldn't panic, nor should other cat owners. So it

723
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: is I understand the concern, and I think it's a

724
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: legitimate concern. Whenever there's a virus that can jump from

725
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: animals to people or people to animals, that's very concerning.

726
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: But right now, there's no evidence suggesting that humans infect

727
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: house cats regularly, like it's not something that happens very often,

728
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: and there's nothing yet to suggest that the virus can

729
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: then jump from the cat to the humans, so that

730
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any been any documented cases of that.

731
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: Michael San Filippo, who is a spokesman for the American

732
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: Veterinary Medicine Association, says, quote, this is almost exclusively a

733
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: human to human transmitted disease. The risk two pets is

734
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: very low, with only a handful of cases of the

735
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: virus appearing in companion animals and no cases of people

736
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: getting sick from their pets. So you know, it's it's concerning,

737
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: but please don't like give your cat like a ticket

738
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: to Antarctica and to say, like, well, see what we

739
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta socially distanced. Could never could never do that. No, no,

740
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: I I know most most cat owners I know or

741
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: like ride or die their cats. So it's a um

742
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, so it's a yeah, it's not not something

743
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: to I think lose sleepover. It's just you know, you

744
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: can maybe like practice the same kinds of practice as

745
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: you do with other people. So like you know, you

746
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: you're quarantined with your cat, and like you know, if

747
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: you're if you interact with a cat like outside of

748
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: the home or something like a neighbor's cat or something,

749
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: just like wash your hands before and after touching another cat.

750
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Things like that. Just just stuff like that. But you know,

751
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I really wish that. I mean, I have a dog,

752
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: and I kind of want to get a cat, but

753
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: I can't tell if this is just sort of like

754
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: quarantine brain going on right now, where it's like I must,

755
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: I must acquire a cat, so I have to steal

756
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: myself and and really think through this decision about whether

757
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm just going a little little cabin fever or cat

758
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: cat fever. Cat cabin fever fever, I like that. So

759
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: how does a virus joe from an animal to a

760
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: human viruses infect their host by using surface proteins to

761
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: attach to the surface receptors on a cell. Think of

762
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: a key that opens a door. You know how corona

763
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: looks like a spiky mace or like a couch ball.

764
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: Those spikes are the surface proteins used to bind surface

765
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: receptors on host cells. Once they've unlocked the cells, so

766
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: to speak, they're able to enter the cell and hijack

767
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: the cell's reproductive system to replicate their own DNA, infecting

768
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: more cells and causing big problems for our bodies. So,

769
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: if a virus is specialized for an animal, it doesn't

770
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: necessarily have the right surface proteins to bind to human cells.

771
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: But when a virus mutates, especially if it originates from

772
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: an animal not too far from us on the evolutionary tree,

773
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: it has a small chance to become equipped to attach

774
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: to and invade human cells. Usually mutations are harmful for viruses,

775
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: but because they replicate so rapidly, occasionally luck will favor

776
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: the virus and it develops just the right proteins to

777
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: fit with our human cells. And because our immune systems

778
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: haven't had a history of dealing with a disease, that

779
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: usually affects another animal, it can be particularly difficult to

780
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: fight off. But enough of this virus talk. When we return,

781
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk about some kittens that have infected our hearts.

782
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean not okay, not literally, it's okay. I don't

783
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: have a case of heart kittens as far as I know,

784
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: although there has been some mysterious mewing recently. Our pets

785
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: good for your health. Obviously, it depends on a lot

786
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: of factors, like if you have allergies or what you

787
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: consider to be a pet. For instance, if you think

788
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: an alligator as a pet, that's gonna be pretty bad

789
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: for your health. But for the most part, owning a

790
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: pet has a whole bunch of benefits. According to the

791
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: c d C, owning a pet seems to be correlated

792
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: with we're blood pressure, cholesterol, and trek lyceride levels. Dog

793
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: owners in particulars seem to see a drop in cholesterol,

794
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: although it's not clear what's causing this, as factors such

795
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: as B M I and diet were controlled for Maybe

796
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: dogs are secretly feeding us cholesterol lowering food when we're

797
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: not looking. So we were just talking about the concerns

798
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: that pet owners might have. But I have some really

799
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: really good news, which is that animals are getting adopted

800
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: at really high rates all over the country. Have you

801
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: heard about this. It's so funny that you're talking about

802
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: because my roommate and I were literally she wants a

803
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: dog so bad, and she was talking about getting a dog,

804
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think it's because you're bored. Well,

805
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not just your roommate, Like a lot of

806
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: people are are thinking about doing this. So, like, shelters

807
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: all over the country are being cleared out of animals

808
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: because of all of the adoptions. So people are adopted

809
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: and rescuing animals who would otherwise be waiting around or

810
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: in some cases being put to sleep. So it's it's great,

811
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: great news, like right now that that this is happening

812
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of shelters. So yeah, it's I think obviously,

813
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: like the one of the big reasons is people want

814
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: companionship while you're stuck at home. But I think it

815
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: could also be like because people are able to work

816
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: from home, you we have kind of the flexibility to

817
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: adopt an animals. Oh one one cool thing, like if

818
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: you're thinking about adopting an animal but you're kind of

819
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: worried about like having to go to a shelter. A

820
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: lot of shelters are doing curbside service to keep people

821
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: safe while still doing adoptions. I love the idea of

822
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: like pet drive through, Like, yeah, my mom actually um

823
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: is a she's a foster like owner for a Sundcoast

824
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: Animals shelter in Florida. Really cool. She social foster, you know,

825
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: like um, a bunch of puppies and their mom or

826
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: you know whatever maybe, And she was talking about how

827
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: weird it's been since the pandemic because she's like, I

828
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing a drug deal. But like for puppies,

829
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, they have to put them on these long

830
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: leashes and they have to let the dogs walk all

831
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: the way over and then they can let go of

832
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: the leash. Wants to make it to the new owner.

833
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: She's like a very straight and would be like, I

834
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: just don't want the pandemic to end. And then a

835
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: bunch of people will be like, oh, I actually don't

836
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: have time to take care of these yeah, and then

837
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: they end up back in a shelter. Like I kind

838
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: of get nervous about that, but I'm hoping for the

839
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: most part, that's not an issue. I had that same

840
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: thought and that same concern. I'm hoping. I think I'm

841
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of optimistic because I think that a lot of

842
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: people who are adopting it may not just be like

843
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: an impulse kind of thing. It maybe like they've been

844
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: thinking about it for a long time and they've been

845
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: kind of wanting to do it, but it's that hesitation

846
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, I'm not sure, you know, and

847
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't have time right now, and maybe I shouldn't.

848
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: And then maybe this has just been like it's almost

849
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: like maybe the anxieties around it and this feeling of like, oh, man,

850
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Speaker 1: you know, I only you know, I only live once,

851
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Speaker 1: and I really want to have a pet, and you

852
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: know I should do that now, and I need someone

853
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Speaker 1: right now. So I have that concern too, And I

854
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Speaker 1: think people like, if you're thinking about adopting, really do

855
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: think about what it will be like after self isolation ends,

856
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: and like if you'll still be able to accommodate the

857
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Speaker 1: animal into your lifestyle and give it, give it a

858
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Speaker 1: lot of thought. But yeah, I do think a lot

859
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Speaker 1: of it could just be like people have thought about

860
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: it a while. It's I keep thinking about getting cat,

861
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: but I'm really thinking hard about like, Okay, how is

862
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: that going to change my lifestyle? And do I have

863
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: the capacity for it? And will Cookie my dog like

864
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: lose it? And in handy forever, I mean now it's

865
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Speaker 1: the perfect time to potty train. If that's like something

866
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: people were worried about when getting a dog, because it's

867
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Speaker 1: like your second right. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Yeah. But

868
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Speaker 1: in some really really good news, heartwarming news with no caveats,

869
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Speaker 1: is kittens visiting an aquarium. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if my heart is, but I'm going

871
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Speaker 1: to go for it. Prepare yourself because the Georgia Aquarium

872
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia is obviously close to the public, but

873
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: they have paired up with the local Atlanta Humane Society

874
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Speaker 1: to give little baby kittens a visit to the aquarium

875
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Speaker 1: to see all the fishies. So the kittens are named Nemo, Guppy, Marlon, Bubbles,

876
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: and Dory. I think that's very obviously from finding Nemo,

877
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: and they have visited the aquarium and they got to

878
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: play with the fit and the jellyfish. So you can

879
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: see a video of this. I'm obviously going to include

880
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: links to all of this in the show notes, but

881
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: there's a video of one of the aquarium staff members

882
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: who got on his scuba gear, either to do some

883
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: tank maintenance or maybe just for fun, I don't know,

884
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: and he was playing with the kittens from behind the glass,

885
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: just like swimming around with the fish, tapping on the glass,

886
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: and the kittens were losing losing it, going nuts. It's

887
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: just it's just wonderful that I feel like we we

888
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: need more videos like this during this time because it's like,

889
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: it's just how can you get upset with this video?

890
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's literally the cutest thing I've ever seen.

891
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: It totally melted me. I am a puddle right now

892
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: talking to you. I'm sort of a puddle with like

893
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: a mouth flopping around on account on this video. But yeah,

894
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: so it's not just a fun day for the kittens.

895
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Speaker 1: I think it was done to raise awareness that you

896
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Speaker 1: can still adopt animals and that shelters have to keep

897
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: doing their their important work that they do. Another story

898
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: I saw is the claim that right now they are

899
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Speaker 1: letting elephants wander around the zoo and visit other animals.

900
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Speaker 1: So I did some digging and this is not Fortunately

901
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: don't have to completely debunk this, but it's not that right,

902
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: This isn't a new thing. So there's a photo of

903
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Speaker 1: this little baby elephant like high fiving a sea lion.

904
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: And this actually happened in at the Oregon Zoo. So

905
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: occasionally zoos will take animals who can walk around the

906
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: zoo like just for a walk around for enrichment. And

907
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: the photo of the baby elephant is at the Oregon

908
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Speaker 1: Zoo and it's part of her routine morning walk around

909
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: the zoo. And this was yeah back in and the

910
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: baby elephants name is Jindra and the sea lion's name

911
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: is Gus, and they are indeed high fiving. So I

912
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Speaker 1: guess I bring this up to say that, like some

913
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: of the new stories about like you know, zoos are

914
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: are doing this new thing where they take animals on

915
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: walks around the zoo and like have animals visit each other.

916
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that that's that's happened before. It's not.

917
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: It's not all just like in response to the pandemic.

918
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: But they're definitely doing it more now, I think because

919
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: the zoos are closed and you know, they've got to

920
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: figure out a way to do enrichment for the animals. Yeah,

921
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad there's some type of interaction happening for the animals.

922
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I went into the wrong

923
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: career field though, because the idea of being the person

924
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: who leads an elephant around the zoo to hang out

925
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: with other animals with a dream. Yeah, yeah, it's ah,

926
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's it's a it's something like you know

927
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Speaker 1: that you can feel like you're still giving animals some

928
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: social interaction right now. So I want to in the

929
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: show talking about I think probably a lot of people

930
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: have heard about this, and this is wonderful. So penguins

931
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: are taking for aquariums because the staff members of the

932
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: aquariums are allowing penguins just to wander around and look

933
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: at all the fish. So the Shed Aquarium in Chicago

934
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: is close to the public, so penguins have been given

935
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: free rein over the aquarium. So these are chin strap

936
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: and rock hopper penguins. So those chin strap penguins are

937
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: the little black and white ones um and rock hoppers

938
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: are the little guys that have the little yellow like

939
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: feathers coming out the sides of their heads. And they

940
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: are rather small little penguins and very very curious little guys,

941
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: and they can be seen in videos roaming around the

942
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: aquarium visiting all the other exhibits. So, like I mentioned

943
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: earlier with the elephant story, this isn't a new thing.

944
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: So they often allow penguins out of the exhibit to

945
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of wander around give them some enrichment. But right now,

946
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: because the aquariums are close to the public, basically it's

947
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: penguins time. Like one of the time, they get to

948
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: go and visit as many exhibits as they want, wherever

949
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: they want, like with supervision, but they basically they have

950
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: a free all day passed to the aquarium to do

951
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. And so not only is

952
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: this obviously great for the penguins, it's so funny to

953
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: see too, Like there's they they'll like go up to

954
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: a jellyfish tank and a staff member will pick up

955
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: a penguin so he gets a better view of all

956
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: the jellyfish. It is adorable, and it also gives the

957
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: other animals something to look at, so like animals that

958
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: you can't take on a walk around the aquarium. So

959
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: like a beluga, then they let the beluga see the penguins,

960
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: and the penguin see the beluga, and it's a fascinating

961
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: thing for both animals because obviously, so penguins and belugas

962
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: do not share a natural habitat. They would never come

963
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: across each other in in nature, but in the aquarium

964
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: setting they get to visit each other and it's really

965
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: it's like they are very fascinated by each other. Yeah,

966
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I kind of love that idea of these animals getting

967
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: to see each other, like and wondering what they must

968
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: be going through their heads, you know, like a a

969
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: bluega whale seeing a penguin. Like obviously, like you said that,

970
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: they're never going to really cross pass in the real

971
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: world like in the wildlife, so it's interesting. I I

972
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, that's like, that's just so crazy. It

973
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: makes you wish you knew what they were thinking. Yeah,

974
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: because I know blugas often are very interactive, like when

975
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: you come across them at a zoo or and aquarium.

976
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: They're very curious. They're they're very intelligent, very social uh cetaceans,

977
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: which are the what whales and dolphins are, and and

978
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: they are able to rotate their heads so they can

979
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: get a real good view of you, and so they

980
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: will follow people around in They're very interested in what

981
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: you're doing. So I imagine like without visitors, they're gonna

982
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: need extra enrichment in order to keep them entertained because

983
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: they are so intelligent. I do wonder though, when they

984
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: see like a little tiny these little tiny bite sized penguins,

985
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: if part of them are like I want to eat

986
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: that penguine right. It reminds me like there is a

987
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: video I feel like that when viral, like maybe a

988
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: year or so ago, we're like there was this chimpanzee

989
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: that was being taken care of and like the zookeeper

990
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: let a dog in there, and like the dog and

991
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: the chimpanzee like bonded and it was just thing. Ever,

992
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: because it's like obviously they're not really gonna link up

993
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: and you know the wild, but like what a cute

994
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: pair that you didn't even think about? Yeah, yeah, I mean,

995
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: animals can form so many relationships in uh kind of

996
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: man manipulated environments that they never would have in nature.

997
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: Like cheetahs and dogs are often kept together at Zeus

998
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: because cheetahs are very shy animals, very anxious, and to

999
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: have a dog with them like makes them feel a

1000
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: little better. But obviously, like a golden retriever and a

1001
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: cheetah in the wild would not run into each other,

1002
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: but they actually are very compatible at uh in an

1003
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: artificial environment. Obviously, I'll include a link to this video,

1004
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: but like just seeing penguins just kind of like wander

1005
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: around the aquarium looking at stuff, like they take to

1006
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: it so well. They look so at home doing this.

1007
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: I feel like we've kind of opened a Pandora's box now,

1008
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: and these penguins are gonna be like, this is life

1009
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: now we own the aquarium. Yo. You guys are gonna

1010
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: have to figure something else out because it is our

1011
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: aquarium now, right. It's gonna be hard for them to

1012
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: go back to regular aquarium life. Yeah, they're just like, no,

1013
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: penguins are the new people now, like we got the memo,

1014
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 1: like we were on the place. Now it's us now,

1015
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: like business, business, business people, stuff, cars, pats, clothing, it's us.

1016
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: We're the people now. Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me today, Drew. Do you have anything to plug

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