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Speaker 1: Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 2: It was just this really exciting thing to witness and

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Speaker 2: then to introduce myself and be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: And as we got to know each other and started

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Speaker 2: playing there more often, it was, Yeah, this really kind

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Speaker 2: every week and then I don't know, it's really hard

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Speaker 2: to explain, but I've never experienced anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 3: where Buzz Night digs deep into the stories of musicians,

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Speaker 3: their influences, and their creative process that connects with their community.

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Speaker 3: If you like this podcast, check out our companion podcast

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Speaker 3: hosted by Lynn Hoffman.

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Speaker 1: Called Music Save Me.

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Speaker 3: Today, Buzz is joined by two members of the indie

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Speaker 3: folk rock band The Head and the Heart. Kenny Hensley

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Speaker 3: and Jonathan Russell, will dive into their musical journey and

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Speaker 3: get the stories behind their music. Next on Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 4: Well, Kenny and John thanks for being on Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 4: And since this show is called Taking a Walk, I

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Speaker 4: have to ask you, guys, if you were to take

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Speaker 4: be musical, but it doesn't have to be, who would

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Speaker 4: that individual be and where would you be taking a

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Speaker 5: You think, Johnny want to take this first?

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Speaker 6: Sure, I feel like I've got a few, and then

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Speaker 6: I keep every time I think about, oh, this one

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Speaker 6: for sure, I'm like, don't meet your idols. You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Chris Martin. I met Chris Martin

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Speaker 6: I was really blown away by how kind he was.

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Speaker 6: And I would love to spend more time with Chris Martin.

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Speaker 5: You've already had a talk with Chris Martin, but you'd

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Speaker 6: I'd like it.

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Speaker 5: I'd like some time you have like one.

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Speaker 2: Of those things where you had a conversation with somebody

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Speaker 6: Or yeah, like you mentioned, you know, like this is

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Speaker 1: And where would you go Joe.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think I think he lives near the

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Speaker 6: beach at least in terms of la so I probably suggest,

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Speaker 6: maybe sunset, maybe find sunrise with coffee actually probably be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this. We were

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Speaker 4: So bands are pretty fragile things, fragile entities. So what

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Speaker 2: But I think, like anything, you know, like getting through

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Speaker 4: that's so amazing that you guys have embarked on that

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Speaker 1: Well with Maddie and Charity.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's so admirable that you put in

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Speaker 4: So kudos to the Head and the Heart for having

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, not saying that we're any different

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Speaker 2: Put together a group of more like different, you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and really just to add to that, because I

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Speaker 6: It's like it's where we kind of got to try

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Speaker 4: It's a moment of Sarah Deputy, I would say, with

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Speaker 6: that was just for me to do my thing and

441
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 6: to pay people to play music. And so I think,

442
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 6: like Kenny, when when you came along too, it was

443
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 6: just like I still just really met just Hiah. And

444
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 6: you know, I think at this point the world's kind

445
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 6: of gotten known Jasiah enough to like he's a pretty

446
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 6: like he's a character. He's he's a I love him,

447
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 6: he's my brother, but you know, I was just kind

448
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 6: of like, I don't know he like he he possessed,

449
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 6: He possesses gifts that I don't have. You know, he's

450
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 6: much more welcoming, he's more supportive. I think I was

451
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 6: like so in my like like blinders up, like I

452
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 6: was just so sick of things not working that I

453
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 6: wasn't I wasn't seeing I wasn't really available to see

454
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 6: like a bigger picture. So fortunately for him being a

455
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 6: part of a said that time, I mean he was

456
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 6: like he did see you, he heard you, and was supportive,

457
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 6: and you know, I think I was just kind of like,

458
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 6: I don't know if this fits into my plan. You know,

459
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 6: like thank God wasn't me up to those decisions at

460
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 6: that point, because I think I was just afraid of

461
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 6: trusting people again. Unfortunately, Jasiah was one of the most

462
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 6: trusting human beings on the planet, so he kind of

463
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 6: blew up my plan A, and you know, we all

464
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 6: kind of developed our own plan and I'm very grateful

465
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 6: for that.

466
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think too.

467
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: Like I mean, Josiah, like you said, is such a character,

468
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: and he's very positive, very warm, like welcoming, welcoming, welcoming.

469
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: And a funny example that I always give because like

470
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: John and Josiah ended up being such a great duo

471
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: and such a great team as friends and as songwriters.

472
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: But meeting them the first night, it was so funny

473
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: because Josiah. I went up to Josiah and he immediately

474
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: was asking me questions and then within a minute was

475
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: in to music Monday's at his house. You know, He's like,

476
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: John's coming over, we have music Mondays come over. We're

477
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: gonna play together, and we're going to do this and that.

478
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, this is great. This guy's

479
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: like inviting me to parties already. I just met the guy.

480
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 2: And then I go up and talk to John and

481
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: he kind of looked at me like why the hell

482
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: are you talking to me? Like I don't know who

483
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: you are, And I just remember the difference that like

484
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: black and white, and being like a little intimidated by John,

485
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 2: but also like I don't know who he is, nobody

486
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: sounds good, so I want to try to get another guy.

487
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: And then like Josiah was like not no intimidation whatsoever.

488
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: And of course over time you get to know. Just

489
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: that's how people click and work, you know, And I

490
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 2: consider both of them like my brothers in a way,

491
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, very funny introduction. And I think

492
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: without Josiah we probably never would have. I don't think

493
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: John and I would have started playing music together. I

494
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: think Josiah was the glue in a lot of ways

495
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: that like got this band off its feet.

496
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: I think I probably would have gotten to know John.

497
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: And like liked his music, and maybe we tried would

498
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: have tried to mess around. But the first time John

499
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: and I tried hanging out one on one without Josiah,

500
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: we sat there at a restaurant and just realized that

501
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: we didn't know how to talk to each other really,

502
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: and we like sat there.

503
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: Awkwardly for ten or fifteen minutes.

504
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, we're just like, I mean, we work really

505
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: well together, but our brains worked differently, and Josiah was

506
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: one hundred percent the glue that like kept the three

507
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: of us, Like this can work if it's the three

508
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: of us, and then eventually it turned into six, you know.

509
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, without Josiah, I don't think.

510
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: I think we just would have known each other, but

511
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have started playing together.

512
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 5: I don't think.

513
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be right back with more of the Taken

514
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Speaker 3: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast.

515
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Speaker 4: You know, thinking away the way you guys are talking

516
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: about Josiah, I came up with like a term I

517
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: don't think i've heard used. It sounds like it applies

518
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: to him. Sounds like he has mastered the art of

519
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: creative leadership.

520
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: Is that fair?

521
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 5: Maybe it's really hard to explain Josiah. He's such a

522
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: interesting guy, all right, maybe it's not fair.

523
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I mean,

524
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 6: because you know, the other side of there's a larger

525
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 6: side of this band's history, Like at this point, we've

526
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 6: been been longer without Josiah, and so like, I think,

527
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 6: I think the things that came natural to him also

528
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 6: ended up ended up almost like getting abused unfortunately, like

529
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 6: we you know, it's not like we had like delegated

530
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 6: roles to one another, and like he was this like

531
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 6: creative mastermind that we followed leads. It was like there

532
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 6: were certain things where he would just like say yes more,

533
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 6: you know, and me being in the state of mind

534
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 6: I was just very East Coast, very jaded, very mistrustful,

535
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 6: and so he kind of was the like go between

536
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 6: for every single person all of the time. And I

537
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 6: think it became exhausting. So I don't I wouldn't say

538
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 6: he mastered it. If he was here, I said the

539
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 6: same thing I think of anything like he's learned boundaries

540
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 6: which allow you to become a lot more masterful. But

541
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 6: for a while, I think it actually ate him alive,

542
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 6: because I don't know that any of I can speak

543
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 6: for myself at least, you know, I wasn't aware of

544
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 6: just how I was contributing to like abusing his superpower

545
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 6: or his his his willingness and his like just openness,

546
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 6: and there would just be things that I didn't want

547
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 6: to do, Like I wouldn't want to I would be

548
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 6: on tour and we'd be getting asked to do these

549
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 6: interviews and I would be stressed out, under slept, probably hungover,

550
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 6: just not a very good person in those days, and

551
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 6: I would just be like, I'm not doing it and

552
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 6: thinking that then everybody else would be like, ooh, I

553
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 6: guess we're not doing it, and he would just be like, Okay,

554
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 6: well I'll do it. I'm like, I really thought about

555
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 6: how that would add up. You know, he just kind

556
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 6: of took He took a lot of things on. He's

557
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 6: just a nicer person, or at least, you know, back

558
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 6: then I wasn't very kind unfortunately, But so I don't know,

559
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 6: I mean, he's yeah, it's we were so young, and

560
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 6: things that became natural to him. I think had he

561
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 6: kept touring with us and kept figuring all of that out,

562
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 6: I would say he definitely has that potential. But I

563
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 6: don't think any of us really knew how to do what.

564
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 6: We were just sort of doing it, you.

565
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 7: Know what I mean.

566
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 6: I feel like now Kenny and I and the rest

567
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 6: of us are fortunate enough to have been around long

568
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 6: enough to like actually take stock of like like how

569
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 6: things happen, how they work, how to get better at them,

570
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 6: how to like be proactive, learn to communicate, Like what

571
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 6: are boundaries? You know, Like how did I do that?

572
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 6: Why did it work? You know versus just a lot

573
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 6: of accidents kind of happening. Yeah, sorry, I took your

574
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 6: question and kind of steered it in a different direction, But.

575
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.

576
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: And the word I wouldn't use again would be mastering,

577
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: because no one really has mastered anything really, We're all

578
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: always trying to be better at something, to be better

579
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 4: at ourselves, to be.

580
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Better in relationships.

581
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: So I think master is probably where I took it

582
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: off course, But thank you for taking me inside, deep

583
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: into the complexities of the head and the heart in

584
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: a good way.

585
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a great word, too, complexity. I think,

586
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: like Josiah is just, at the end of the day,

587
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: a very complex person in a lot of ways, and

588
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: I think early on he contributed to a lot of

589
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: why we got started. But like John said, it's like

590
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: we've now had Maddie in this band longer than Justsia

591
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: was ever a part of the band. So it's been

592
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: so long now since those years. But of course when

593
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: you're talking about the foundation of the band and where

594
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: we came from, then he's a big part of that,

595
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, so you have to include in that story.

596
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: So before we talk of the new album and the process,

597
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: can you guys, give me a little glimpse personally into

598
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: your you know what's on your Spotify playlist, so I

599
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: can kind of get a sense of the many different

600
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 4: influences I think exist for both of you.

601
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: I can go requids. Mine will be pretty pretty short.

602
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: I am admittedly not the best at researching and discovering

603
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: new music, or at least I've noticed since this band

604
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: has become a full time thing. But I was in

605
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: high school growing up, I was obsessed with finding, you know,

606
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: the newest bands that I loved, and was super influen,

607
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: inspy all of that. But I also grew up, you know,

608
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: with a family and a household that just played you know,

609
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: a lot of Beatles and a lot of Semoni Garfunkle

610
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: and a lot of CSN and you know Dylan. And

611
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: I've always loved that era and that like time in

612
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: music more than anything, And I still find myself just

613
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: falling back on that most of the time. You know,

614
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: if I do listen to music, which I really don't

615
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: even listen to music a ton. I listen to a

616
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: lot of audio books and podcasts, but I feel like

617
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: my years almost need like when I when I listen

618
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: to music now it brings me right into creative or

619
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: work mode, and so it can be a little exhausting.

620
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I tend to listen just to a lot

621
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: of the stuff I grew up with, which is the

622
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: old classics, and every once in a while I stumble

623
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: upon something that I really love and hits me right away.

624
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I am admittedly not the best of that

625
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: and want to make an effort to listen to more

626
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: new music for sure.

627
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny. I think listening to always I was

628
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 6: always really envious of people who had good, like there

629
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 6: was good taste of music in their upbringing, like from

630
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 6: their parents. No offense. I'm sure my mom was probably

631
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 6: listen to this. I mean, it's not that their taste

632
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 6: was bad, but I think when we were being when

633
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: we were coming up as kids, there was sort of

634
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 6: the shift of like like, oh, we're parents now, and

635
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 6: like we go to church now, So like, I feel

636
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 6: like a lot of this stuff my mom grew up

637
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 6: with she sort of put aside for a while, so

638
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 6: I didn't even necessarily have access to even what she

639
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 6: was listening to for a while. So for me, it

640
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 6: was like Christian music and like nineties country which I

641
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 6: do love nineties country, but for me it was so

642
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 6: and and I guess in the inverse of that, it

643
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 6: like it left me really hungry for searching for everything

644
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 6: because I had no I had no there was nothing

645
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 6: to be sentimental about music wise. I just had this

646
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 6: like voracious appetite, I guess for everything. So and I

647
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 6: think becoming a songwriter, like you just keep wanting to

648
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 6: you know, it's like, I don't know, you want to

649
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 6: consume everything maybe, but I was sorry. Anyways, my list

650
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 6: is I've got sort of which is my favorite bomber

651
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 6: on the records like nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty one

652
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: Cigareros record, it's I Can Never Enya, Love Enya, mob Deep, Nirvana,

653
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 6: the Incesta Side record, which is like a pretty strange album,

654
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: and then like like a junk Hole Trane compilation record

655
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 6: from fifty eight. But for me, like whenever i'm making

656
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 6: an album, like I typically need something that's like polar

657
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 6: opposite of what we're working on. Otherwise I'll start comparing

658
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: before a song he's even finished, and then I'll be like, oh,

659
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 6: so obvious, you just like went to the chorus again,

660
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 6: John or whatever, or like why why isn't there a chorus?

661
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 5: John? You know?

662
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 6: So, so I usually find myself listening to things that can't,

663
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 6: you know, weigh me down in my own creative endeavors

664
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: or whatever.

665
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, to take you away from that present moment,

666
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: so you could focus on that present moment, right, and

667
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: not be you know, diverted too far into your influences, right.

668
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 5: I think it's so interesting too.

669
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean just just you know, what people are raised

670
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: with based on where they're from in the country. It's like,

671
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, you were born in you know, Florida, then

672
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: grew up in Virginia. It's like, no wonder, you grew

673
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: up listening to tim A. Graw and like and this stuff.

674
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: And it's like, I think that's cool that that people

675
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: in different areas and upbringings, you know, grew up with

676
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: different stuff. I also had like the benefit of having

677
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: a sister that is five years older than me, who

678
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: was very in tune at a young age to like what.

679
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: She thought was cool.

680
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: She was in a ska band when she was like fourteen,

681
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: and then it was just really into like what I

682
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: considered cool music early on. So I was lucky in

683
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: that way. I was like the kid who was a

684
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: freshman at high school with like a wheelco tea shirt

685
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: and like listening to radio, had a ton and like

686
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: none of my friends like knew all these bands. But

687
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I had the upper hand of having this older sister

688
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: who I was really close with, who was just constantly

689
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: sharing me or sharing with me new music she was

690
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: coming across that I would also loved you, So I

691
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: think without her that would have been very obviously the

692
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: stuff you grow up with your parents listening. But I

693
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: would have been pretty basic, just listening to like alternative

694
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 2: rock radio, you know.

695
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: So tell everybody what they can look forward to with

696
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: the new music from the Head and the Heart, the

697
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: anxiously awaited new music. Of course, Arrow is out at

698
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: this point, which is great congratulations, But can you take

699
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: us inside a little bit to what people can expect

700
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: from the band.

701
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: I try really hard not to sound too repetitive, because

702
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: we obviously get asked this question frequently enough and it

703
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: starts to become like a scripted thing in your mind,

704
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: which I would like to avoid.

705
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: But I do think this album will cater very heavily

706
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: to our earlier fans.

707
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: I think it's the first record, it's our sixth LP

708
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: it's our first album since our second that we self produce.

709
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: We self produced our first two, so it's the first one.

710
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: We did three records on a major label and between

711
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: and we definitely like tried all the production stuff and

712
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 2: maybe a little overproduced sometimes and really tried to like

713
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: have some radio hits here and there. And this does

714
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: feel like we've kind of gone back to, like, how

715
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: did we make music when we started, and that was

716
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: trusting our gut, trusting each other in the band, not

717
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: worrying about any outside sources, you know, and just doing

718
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: it and putting out what we like and what's feeling

719
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: right to us. And this whole process felt felt like

720
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: we kind of had just decided to go back to that.

721
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: We did a bunch of trips to Richmond, Virginia and

722
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Seattle to do writing, and the writing kind of turned

723
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: it into recording in real time because we were just

724
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: getting takes that we really liked, and so a lot

725
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: of the songs on the record you're hearing live takes

726
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: for the most part, that were maybe even recorded the

727
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: day we wrote the song or the day after we

728
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: kind of like finished composing or finishing. I didn't finish

729
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: touches to a song, So it's very raw in that sense.

730
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: There's not a ton of production tricks or stuff like that.

731
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: You know.

732
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: I think I think it's gonna Like I said, I think.

733
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Our early fans are going to be really happy with

734
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: it and really excited. It's maybe gonna feel in a

735
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: way like they kind of got their banded back a

736
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: little bit, you know that they maybe loved early on

737
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: but haven't loved as much like as we try to

738
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: do more produce sounding music.

739
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just quality. I think it just sounds

740
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: and feels good and happy. Like there's a positivity to it.

741
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: Like not all the lyrics in the songs they're all

742
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 2: hunky Dorian positive.

743
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 5: But it makes me feel good.

744
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good driving songs, like road

745
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: trip songs.

746
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just been a really great experience.

747
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: And we kind of were talking about this a couple

748
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and it's wild that it dawned on us,

749
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: but this is we realized that maybe the first record

750
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: that all six of us as the group right now

751
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: have ever made together with all of us, like every

752
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: single record either was before the Justia and mattew switch

753
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: happened or was during a period where somebody in the

754
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: band was not a part of it, you know, like

755
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: either I was not a part of a recording process

756
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: or writing process, or somebody else said take a time off.

757
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: And so this is the first time that the six

758
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: of us all were you know, in it from the

759
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: very beginning, and you know, have our signatures all over it,

760
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: and it just feels the most like us than maybe

761
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.

762
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: And it's a fair to say, even though it goes

763
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: down some paths that certainly are through you know, elements

764
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: of darkness, that it comes out in the sense, you know,

765
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: with optimism and brightness, you know, ultimately is that a

766
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: fair assessment totally?

767
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: And that's kind of been one of the you know,

768
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: even getting into the album campaign and artwork and what

769
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: we want it to look like physically and visually, that's

770
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: been an ongoing It's just like the light opening the

771
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: or it's letting the light in. That's like a theme

772
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: that we pretty much has pretty much been spearheading this process.

773
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: I'd say, it's really like getting through dark times, and

774
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: and there's songwriting that's about those dark times and about rough,

775
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, hard things. But it really does feel like

776
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: it's like we got through that and this is almost

777
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: the almost the closure in a lot of ways on

778
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: some of those things, and moving forward into like a

779
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: lighter time in our lives and a lighter time in

780
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: this band's history.

781
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 6: John, Yeah, I mean that was such an excellent description,

782
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 6: don't I don't. I don't want to steer it away

783
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 6: from any of that. I love that you said it's

784
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 6: like we got it like that you were saying some

785
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 6: of those early fans might sound like they got their

786
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 6: band back. I feel like we got our band back too.

787
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 6: Like we're all like we were intentional and united before

788
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 6: we started writing, which is just you know, when you

789
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 6: all live together in the same town and like you

790
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 6: don't have a whole lot of complications in your life,

791
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 6: like that just kind of map really falls into place.

792
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 6: But when you when you're living in different cities, life

793
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 6: starts happening, families are getting started, you know, like, and

794
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 6: it's time to make a record. Not everyone is in sync,

795
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 6: not everyone's feeling creative, Not everyone's in a good place.

796
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: And I guess, you know, I don't even know that

797
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 6: I was necessarily in a good place when we started

798
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 6: writing this, but but we at least artistically speaking, we

799
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 6: had pretty like specific intentions and a huge part of

800
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 6: that was working without a producer again and just letting

801
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 6: our own writing have its voice again and really let

802
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: a lot of things remain. So yeah, I feel like

803
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 6: we got our band back too. Like I love this record,

804
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: Like yeah, I agree.

805
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: When we get.

806
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 6: Further and further from like people thinking of artists putting

807
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 6: out albums, it's a little bit of a bummer for

808
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 6: me because I personally still listen to albums, even if

809
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: it's in a digital format. I just hope people do

810
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 6: that because this is an album.

811
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: I think they will for sure.

812
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: I want to close with something that I think is

813
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: so cool about this band, uh and you guys, And

814
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: it's this this sort of hidden gem factor where there

815
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: are these songs that are hidden gems that sort of

816
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: pop out, not that you know they're they're buried or whatever,

817
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: but they're just there're these these gems that are found.

818
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: And the one that that I think of is is

819
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: Winter Song. What is the mystery of this band and

820
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: the hidden gem factor? Can you explain this? I think

821
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 4: it's fascinating.

822
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 6: I think we just don't give up on a song,

823
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 6: like every song means something to us. So even if

824
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 6: it isn't like even even even if it isn't like,

825
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 6: if it's not raising its hand for like a single

826
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 6: like we didn't, we didn't put songs on the record

827
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 6: that till us didn't mean something. That's my only guy,

828
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 6: I'm guessing in real time, Kenny, I would love to

829
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 6: hear No.

830
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's totally true.

831
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: I think that are like one thing I'm most proud

832
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: of as far as being in this band is are

833
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: just the depth of the catalog. I think that anybody

834
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: who you know likes this type of music or in general,

835
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: would maybe like a band like ours. I think if

836
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: they really took a deep dive. I don't think our

837
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: albums have too many weak points, you know. I think

838
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: there are tracks that are kind of deeper that aren't

839
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: singles and they're not on the radio, that are my

840
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: favorite songs, And the real fans that you know have

841
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: been to a bunch of shows and have listened to

842
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: the album's front to back are always requesting those songs.

843
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: It's not the single that everybody knows. I think there's

844
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: a lot there that people haven't heard, and I would

845
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: suggest or like really try to push anybody who is

846
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: interested in our band to really give the whole albums

847
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: like a chance, you know, don't just listen to the singles.

848
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: I think you'll find songs that.

849
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: Are deeper in there that you might like as much

850
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: or more than what you're hearing on the radio.

851
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 5: You know, there's a good variety, you know.

852
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think also one thing is that just a

853
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: band of six people that all writes, you know, it's

854
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: not like there's of course they're singers, and there's people

855
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: that are songs that are writing lyrics, and there's a

856
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: difference there. But it's not like it's one person's project

857
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: and there's five people backing it. We're all invested in

858
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: a way to where there's writing happening all the time individually.

859
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: And so I think you're getting colors, you know, the

860
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: palette is just very colorful, and you're getting sounds that

861
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: maybe only Charity could think of, and melodies that only

862
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: she could think of, and you're getting stuff that only

863
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: I would be able to think of. You know, Winter

864
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: Song as as an example, that was like a guitar

865
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: song that I came up with in high school that

866
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: I just really liked fingerpicking and thought it was pretty.

867
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: And when we first met, I had just showed just

868
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: I and John that and it was like, that's nice.

869
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: Let's like add lyrics and melody over that, and there's

870
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: that song.

871
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: You know.

872
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: It's like there's a million different ways that we can

873
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: come at making a song. And I think because of that,

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Speaker 2: you you just get a really beautiful variety, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think you get a lot of like I said,

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Speaker 2: a lot of color, and it doesn't get old, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's not just the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Drilled India over and over and over again, I think.

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Speaker 5: And that's something I love about this band.

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Speaker 1: Well, I could have talked to you guys forever. It's

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Speaker 1: really been a joy to connect with you.

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Speaker 4: And I got to say, you know, for a band

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Speaker 4: like The Head and the Heart, this is certainly why

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Speaker 4: I got into the business that I got into being

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Speaker 4: in and around, you know, music and radio and the

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Speaker 4: creation of things. It's so beautiful to hear it from

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Speaker 4: your perspective, and I have to thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for continuing to give us this amazing music. Congrats on

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Speaker 4: the new music, and thanks for sharing all of the

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Speaker 4: inside backstory of everything.

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Speaker 1: It really was wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Of course, thanks so much. That was a really, really

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Speaker 5: fun time.

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