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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. As always a pleasure to be

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Speaker 1: with you are wherever you are and wherever you are listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you are having a wonderful start to

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Speaker 1: your week. I believe this is show one twelve. I

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Speaker 1: need to do a better job of keeping up with

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Speaker 1: a number of shows that we have done. It's crazy

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Speaker 1: to think that we've done that many in this few

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Speaker 1: short months. We've been a part of Foul Territory, a great,

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Speaker 1: great family baseball podcast. But always a pleasure to be

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Speaker 1: with you, and especially a pleasure to be with my

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Speaker 1: podcast partner, Steven Tolbert. Steven, good to talk with you, sir.

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Speaker 1: I hope you've had a good start to the week

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean? Yeah, man, it's good to be

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Speaker 2: back with you. Obviously, got an interesting show tonight. Has

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Speaker 2: have had some news that's popped in the last twenty

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Speaker 2: actually gonna do because we had enough news drop where

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Speaker 2: we could pretty much focus on stuff that's actually happening

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Speaker 2: versus you know, things that might happen, which was kind

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Speaker 2: of the original idea of the show. So yeah, good

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Speaker 2: show tonight. It's always going to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: Man, absolutely, And to your point, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: the past couple of shows that we've done, we really

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Speaker 1: several trade candidates. I believe it came up to twenty

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Speaker 1: to twenty five names last week that me, you and

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Speaker 1: both went over several notable pitching names that would make

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Speaker 1: to the news of the day that I think is

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Speaker 1: most notable, and that, of course is the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know, we would just within you know, less than

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Speaker 1: last week. It was it was last Monday, so eight

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Speaker 1: days ago, the Braves made the decision not to exercise

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Speaker 1: Travis darnaut Is eight million dollar option for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Me and you talked about the reason why they made

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Speaker 1: with the idea of signing Darnaut, if he hung around

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Speaker 1: this offseason. That's not the case. Travis Darnau today signed

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Speaker 1: a two year, twelve million dollar deal with the Los

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Speaker 1: of a surprise that Darnault signed this early in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: I think he got a pretty fair deal. I don't

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Speaker 1: think his destination is a surprise, because, you know, with

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Speaker 1: it's not a surprise that once again a former Brave

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Speaker 1: clearly shows, Stephen, is that now the Braves have no choice.

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Speaker 1: They're going to need to add a catcher to the

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Speaker 1: situation if they're not fully committed to Drake Baldwin being

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Speaker 2: Forward, Yeah, I mean we knew, you know, as soon

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Speaker 2: out on the free agent market, Travis instantly became probably

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Speaker 2: And none of us expected that ten days ago. I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't know what the odds would have been

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Speaker 2: So yeah, now the question shifts like, and we talked

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Speaker 2: but are they comfortable with Drake Baldwin playing so little,

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Speaker 2: you know, twenty five thirty percent of the time. I

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if they're going to do that. So,

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Speaker 2: like you said, it shifts too. Are they gonna go

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Speaker 2: Murphy miss last year. I think that's an underrated part

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Speaker 2: of this. I think that matters that Trump has caught

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Speaker 2: We'll see if they add somebody, But I do not

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that it brings up another interesting point

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Speaker 1: the preparation when it comes to the pitching approach towards

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Speaker 1: Is it going to get a bat that has at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's definitely the latter. I would say,

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Speaker 2: I definitely lean more towards the pitching defense, you know,

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Speaker 2: He's been with this team since twenty twenty. He was

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll be assumed what they do. You know,

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Speaker 2: He knows the pitching staff. It wouldn't be It wouldn't

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Speaker 2: He's also cheap, which you know helps a lot right now,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, my guess is they're gonna value defense first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever direction the Braves decide to go will certainly

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Speaker 1: need further confirmation, you have it here. Sean Murphy is

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Speaker 1: also would be very interesting to see how this team

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make one more point because somebody brought this

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Speaker 2: suppresses his market because now there's an extra tax essentially

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Speaker 2: added to his to signing him, right, you have to

433
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Speaker 2: pay him the money that you're gonna pay him no

434
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Speaker 2: matter what, but then you also have to give up

435
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Speaker 2: the draft pick. And for a lot of teams that's

436
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Speaker 2: a non starter, like they just won't go near that,

437
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 2: like they value draft picks too much. Depending on where

438
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Speaker 2: you are in the luxury a payroll threshold, it can

439
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: actually be a pretty high draft pick too, So so

440
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Speaker 2: for a lot of teams that's a non starter. They're

441
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Speaker 2: just not going to sign a qualifying offer free agent,

442
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Speaker 2: which means that even though the qualifying offer is an

443
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Speaker 2: extra tax that that adds what you have to pay

444
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Speaker 2: a lot of times you can actually get pretty good

445
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Speaker 2: value on these guys, especially if they're fringe qualifying offer

446
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: guys like Paveta. People were very surprised that Paveta was

447
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Speaker 2: gonna get that. He ended up getting one. Not a

448
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Speaker 2: lot of people saw that coming. And so when you

449
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Speaker 2: have guys like that that are right on the edge

450
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Speaker 2: of should they get a qualifying offer, shouldn't they The

451
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: amount of the amount that their market gets suppressed by

452
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Speaker 2: that QO can be so much that they theyre actually

453
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Speaker 2: become a bargain essentially. And I don't know, I'm not

454
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Speaker 2: saying that's what's gonna happen with Paveta, but that certainly

455
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Speaker 2: can happen. I remember a few years ago it happened

456
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Speaker 2: to Craig Kimberle, and he didn't end up signing to

457
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Speaker 2: like June the year that he signed with the Cubs

458
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Speaker 2: because teams didn't want to pay for the draft pick

459
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Speaker 2: along with the free agent contract. I think it happened

460
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Speaker 2: to Dallas Catcule as well. I think the Braves are

461
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Speaker 2: actually the one that ended up signing Dallas CaCO for

462
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Speaker 2: a very cheap contract. This was a perfect example of

463
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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about that qualifying offer can be. So

464
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Speaker 2: it can be such a deterrent for teams that you

465
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Speaker 2: can actually end up getting guys pretty cheap, and the

466
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Speaker 2: qualifying or the draft pick you have to give up

467
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Speaker 2: ends up being the most expensive thing you have to

468
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Speaker 2: give up to get them. So we'll see what that

469
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Speaker 2: has I mean, I I don't I'm I don't love

470
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Speaker 2: Nick Povetta as a pitcher quite honestly. I think he's

471
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Speaker 2: more of a back end guy than a front end guy.

472
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Speaker 2: He has a real home run problem. He gives up

473
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Speaker 2: a ton of homers. He's solid, don't get me wrong,

474
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Speaker 2: He's not bad. But he's another one of those guys

475
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Speaker 2: where I would hope the Braves would aim higher first

476
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Speaker 2: and then maybe pivot to Paveta if it doesn't work out,

477
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Speaker 2: because there's a decent amount of pitching in this market.

478
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Speaker 2: There's there's ways to go get really good pictures if

479
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Speaker 2: you want to, and even on the trade market as well,

480
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Speaker 2: which we talked about in our last episode. So but yeah,

481
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Speaker 2: the qualifying The qualifying offer can be a tricky thing.

482
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Speaker 2: It can go both ways. It's kind of a blood sword.

483
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Speaker 2: But it'll be to see how it plays out. For Paveta,

484
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing his market is as much more suppressed now

485
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Speaker 2: than it was going to be before the Red Sox

486
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Speaker 2: slapped that qualifying offer on them.

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Speaker 1: And one final thought on this is that I agree

488
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Speaker 1: with you and the thing about it is this is

489
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Speaker 1: that it's when we talk about a Morton or when

490
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Speaker 1: we talk about a Pavetta, I think that the Bray's

491
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Speaker 1: interest in those pictures are them doing their due diligence.

492
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Speaker 1: They want to make sure there's levels to this right.

493
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Speaker 1: They want to make sure that they're covered. If they're

494
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Speaker 1: you know, top guys that they want to go get

495
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Speaker 1: are either two pricing or it just you know, doesn't

496
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Speaker 1: fit in terms of, you know, the preferences that those

497
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Speaker 1: arms have. They want to be able to have backup

498
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Speaker 1: options that they can go get. Pavetta and Charlie Morton

499
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Speaker 1: are those options. But I think that when you talk

500
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Speaker 1: about upside, it's not only you know upside that we've

501
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Speaker 1: recently seen in terms of Nathan and the Valdi And

502
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Speaker 1: then you know he had another pretty good year last year,

503
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Speaker 1: but also a former teammate of Nathan the Avaldes Jordan Montgomery.

504
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Speaker 1: You know, in Poissan's piece he talked about that Jordan

505
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Speaker 1: Montgomery is one of the most likely players to be

506
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Speaker 1: traded and the Diamondbacks would even potentially pay down you know,

507
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Speaker 1: his contract that right there is at absolutely up Alex

508
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Speaker 1: and Thopulis's ali and I think that anybody would agree

509
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Speaker 1: that Jordan Montgomery probably has a higher ceiling than than

510
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Speaker 1: Nick Pavetta. So when we see these names and we'll

511
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Speaker 1: probably seem more connected to the Braves, I think that

512
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Speaker 1: it's just him doing their due diligence on backup options.

513
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I still think they're

514
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Speaker 1: going to go with a player that could be a

515
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Speaker 1: good number two option even in the playoffs, someone with

516
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Speaker 1: a proven track record. And I think that's why you

517
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Speaker 1: are going to see them really try for an Eabaldi

518
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Speaker 1: or a Montgomery, for instance, before they set off for

519
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Speaker 1: a Morton or a Pavetta.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean they're gonna add

521
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Speaker 2: somebody like you know. In his in his postseason presser,

522
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Speaker 2: Alex talked about how pitching wasn't going to be a

523
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Speaker 2: priority they had. You know, they love their top four

524
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Speaker 2: with Strider, Sale, Lopez and Swollenbach. And again one of

525
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Speaker 2: those things you just can't listen to a word that

526
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Speaker 2: comes out of Alex's mouth, and those things like pitching

527
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Speaker 2: was always going to be a priority, you know, losing Max,

528
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Speaker 2: potentially losing Morton, you know, all the guys coming back

529
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Speaker 2: having tons of inning on their arm last year. They

530
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Speaker 2: need to be in the market, and I think they

531
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Speaker 2: need to be. I don't know if they'll be in

532
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Speaker 2: the very top of the market, like I don't think

533
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Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns is coming to Atlanta, but that next tier,

534
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: like the you know of Aldi tier, I think the

535
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Speaker 2: Braves will be heavily in that market, if not the

536
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Speaker 2: trade market. What you were talking about with Jordan Montgomery,

537
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Speaker 2: you know, Kevin Gollsman, the guys we talked about, even

538
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: like a guy like Zach Gallon. People, you know, people

539
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Speaker 2: forget Zach Gallon's on his last year of control with

540
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Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks and they have not been able to sign

541
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Speaker 2: him to an extension. And usually small market teams who

542
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Speaker 2: get star players that close to free agency. I'm not

543
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Speaker 2: saying they definitely trade him, but they'll talk about they'll

544
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Speaker 2: have conversations about trading Zach Gallen this winter. We'll see

545
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Speaker 2: if anything happens. But so there are some interesting names

546
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: in the trade market as well. But the Braves are

547
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Speaker 2: going to be aggressive in the pitching market. I have

548
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Speaker 2: a strong feeling.

549
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Speaker 1: Well, we talk about what the priorities are for the

550
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Speaker 1: Braves this off season, well, I think another you know,

551
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Speaker 1: very interesting, you know, kind of on the batburner, kind

552
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: of an underrated aspect of the Braves offseason is how

553
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Speaker 1: are we going to watch the Braves in twenty and

554
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Speaker 1: twenty five and beyond. When we talk about what potentially

555
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Speaker 1: is a priority for this Braves team, we can talk

556
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Speaker 1: about several different topics topics, but for the Braves fan base,

557
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: probably at the top of their priority list is getting

558
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: settled on how they can watch the Braves in twenty

559
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Speaker 1: and twenty five and moving forward. And Steven, you have

560
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: done a marvelous job, marvelous job through writing over at

561
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Speaker 1: Battery Power as well as you know a couple of

562
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Speaker 1: excerpts that you have had here on on the Hammer territory.

563
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Speaker 1: What is the latest with that, because we could see

564
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Speaker 1: a pretty substantial update later this week as far as

565
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Speaker 1: the scenario goes when it comes to the Braves and

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Speaker 1: how they can be viewed by the fan base and

567
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Speaker 1: baseball fans in general in twenty twenty five and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're coming to the end of this thing. Finally.

569
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Speaker 2: You know Diamond Sports Group, who is the company that

570
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Speaker 2: operates it. Used to be called Ballet Sports, is now

571
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: called FanDuel Sports, but the company that operates that network

572
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: is Diamond Sports Group. They've been in bankruptcy for about

573
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Speaker 2: eighteen months. Brad and I covered all this on a

574
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Speaker 2: show we did a few weeks ago, and essentially what's

575
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: happening is they are trying to restructure their company in

576
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Speaker 2: a way that allows them to exit bankruptcy court and

577
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: still function as an operating company. And in order to

578
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: do that, they have to put forth a plan in

579
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Speaker 2: front of the bankruptcy court and that plan has to

580
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Speaker 2: be accepted by the judge and the creditors. Well, the

581
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Speaker 2: hearing for that is this week. It's at the end

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Speaker 2: of this week. I think it's a two day hearing.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a Thursday Friday hearing. The deadline for

584
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Speaker 2: any objections to the restructuring plan was last week, and

585
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Speaker 2: both the Major League Baseball and the Atlanta Braves both

586
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: objected formally objected to the plan, which basically means they're

587
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Speaker 2: telling the courts they don't think the plan is. They

588
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: don't think the plan is good enough for Diamond Sports

589
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Speaker 2: Group to be able to stay out of bankruptcy again

590
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Speaker 2: a year from now or two years from now. They

591
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Speaker 2: think if this plan was approved by the court, that

592
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Speaker 2: Diamond Sports would just be right back in bankruptcy next

593
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Speaker 2: year or the year after. And so we're gonna get

594
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: an answer to this. And again it matters for Braves

595
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: fans because if Diamond Sports Group does not make it

596
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Speaker 2: out of bankruptcy court, then where the Braves are gonna

597
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: be on TV in twenty twenty five is just completely

598
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Speaker 2: up in the air. We don't know, you know, other

599
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: teams Major League Baseball has taken over production of their broadcast.

600
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's what would happen with the Braves. The

601
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Speaker 2: Braves are a bigger Braves are a different animal, though

602
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: that's a bigger market. I don't know that it would

603
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Speaker 2: be just a one for one like they did with

604
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Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks or the Padres or whoever. So again, if

605
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Speaker 2: they if Diamond Sports does not come out of bankruptcy court,

606
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Speaker 2: and we should know in the next you know, the

607
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Speaker 2: hearing is Thursday and Friday. I don't know that we'll

608
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Speaker 2: get an answer Thursday Friday. It might be Monday Tuesday before

609
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: we actually get a ruling. But in the next probably

610
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Speaker 2: five seven days, we'll have an answer to this. And

611
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: if they get approved. If the court approves the deal,

612
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: then where you watch the Braves and how you watch

613
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: the Bridge in twenty twenty five will largely go unchanged.

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00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: You'll watch it on the same channel that you did

615
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: last year, probably with the same announcers, you know, Brandon CJ,

616
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: same pregame, same postgame, all that stuff will probably be

617
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Speaker 2: the exact thame. We probably won't even notice the difference

618
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Speaker 2: if the if their plan gets denied by the court, however,

619
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Speaker 2: it's up in the air, and of course we'll cover it,

620
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Speaker 2: you know, we're not going to just leave you guys

621
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Speaker 2: out to try. We'll cover it in its totality once

622
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Speaker 2: we have more answers. But that hearing is this week,

623
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Speaker 2: and so we are finally, after about an eighteen month

624
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: long bankruptcy court battle, we're kind of nearing the end

625
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Speaker 2: of this thing where we're finally going to get some

626
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: answers and you know, hopefully a little clearer picture of

627
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Speaker 2: where and how you can watch Braves baseball moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's it's important right because you know that

629
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Speaker 1: that that's you know, with the Braves being as big

630
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Speaker 1: of a regional you know, overall asset that they are.

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Speaker 1: I know that's why Dinond Sports Groupe wants to hang

632
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Speaker 1: on to them. But I know that's why the Braves

633
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Speaker 1: want the most for their fan base to be able

634
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Speaker 1: to make it to where they can view them as

635
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Speaker 1: you know, easily as possible. So it's gonna be very

636
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Speaker 1: interesting to see how that plays out for the rest

637
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Speaker 1: of the off season. One final move of no you

638
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Speaker 1: know happened on Monday, Stephen. The Braves did make a

639
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Speaker 1: trade and it was for a shortstop, Nick Allen from

640
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Speaker 1: the Athletics. The Braves sent over a minor league pitcher,

641
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Speaker 1: Jared Johnson in exchange for Nick Allen. Now, those who

642
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Speaker 1: you know, no, going into this offseason, that shortstop probably

643
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Speaker 1: was one of the more clear areas where the Braves

644
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: could use and upgrade. If your initial reaction to this

645
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Speaker 1: trade was that Nick Allen was the braves solution to

646
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Speaker 1: basically build their shortstop position. That's not into ad Alt.

647
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: This move is very much reminiscent of past moves that

648
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: we've seen. This is much a move, much closer to

649
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: a Zach short or a Luke Williams than it is

650
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: bringing in somebody who's probably even going to have a

651
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: chance to challenge Orlando Arcia for the shortstop position. But

652
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: one thing that I think is of note, Stephen, is

653
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: that Alex and Thopolis has made these type of moves before.

654
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: Now.

655
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I think there's just as much of a chance that

656
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: Allen gets designated for assignment due to another move before

657
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: the off season is over than it is that he

658
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: actually is on the forty men roster or on the

659
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: opening day roster. But his key, key strength is defense,

660
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: and I think that that is something that the Braves

661
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: consistently show with their moves when it comes to the

662
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: shortstop that they want. They want strong defenders. That's the

663
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: reason why Orlando Arcia has maintained his job over the

664
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: past couple of years despite his offensive struggles the reliability

665
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: of his defense. With that in mind, I'm not saying

666
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: that if the right opportunity came along, the Braves wouldn't

667
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: go try to get a shortstop upgrade. But anybody who's

668
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: potentially hoping for some type a big trade, or maybe

669
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: the Brave's going and spending the money that would take

670
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: to bring in Willie Adamas. I just don't see it

671
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: happen now. I think, at the very least it's unlikely

672
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, they want to

673
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: value good deepense at the shortstop position because it's cheaper

674
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: to be able to find that than someone who is

675
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: an offensive producer. I may be reading too much into

676
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: this move, but I think that that's a fair takeaway.

677
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts from the acquisition of Nick Allen?

678
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was. It was an interesting move for

679
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. Nick Allen is on the forty

680
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: men roster. He was a major league player with the A's,

681
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: so obviously, when you get traded, if you're on the

682
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: forty men roster of the team that you're leaving, you

683
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: automatically get put on the forty men roster of the

684
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: team that you're joining. So he's on the forty men roster.

685
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: He has no minor league options, which is critical here

686
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: because you know if he had minor league options, then

687
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: you would say, well, this is just a guy you

688
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: can play at Gwinnette if you have some injuries. You know,

689
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: he can be kind of an insurance policy. So you're

690
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: not having to sign with Mirrifield and g or show

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: off the scrap heat because you don't have anybody else.

692
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: But the fact that he doesn't have minor league options

693
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: it complicates it. I actually thought as soon as I

694
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: saw the move, well, the first thing I did when

695
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: I saw the move was I looked up Nick Allen

696
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: to just see how good of a player it was.

697
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: He has really good minor league numbers in terms of offense.

698
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: His major league numbers across three seasons with the A's

699
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: legitimately maybe the worst offensive profile I've ever seen in

700
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: my life. I'd never seen some of the numbers, Like

701
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: his average excel velocity over like three years with the

702
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: AIDS is like eighty three miles an hour, which is

703
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: I legit I don't know if I've ever seen that.

704
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: Like Duranciarte was like eighty four eighty five back when

705
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: he was a brave and he was, you know, the

706
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: slappiest hitter of all slap hitters. So this guy is

707
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: a zero power offensive, you know player, he's you know,

708
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: like you said, it's a it's a very much a

709
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: defensive job that he's holding currently. So I'm you know, obviously,

710
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised at all if they dfad him

711
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: to try to clear him, get him through waivers so

712
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: they could send him to Gwinnet. That's what I think

713
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: is gonna happen. You know, you get these guys in

714
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: the off season that kind of go through this whole

715
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: shuttle of getting claimed and then dfaid and then claimed

716
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: and then dfaid, and teams are just trying to get

717
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: them to clear waivers so they can send them to

718
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Gwinnett or you know, the miners. And as a minor

719
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: league player, Nick Allen makes a lot of sense for

720
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: the Braves to have depth, but the fact that he

721
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: doesn't have options complicates that. So they're gonna have to

722
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: figure out a way. I'm guessing they'll dfa him at

723
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: some point to see if they can get him to

724
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: clear waivers and they can send him down. But if

725
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: he's on the team, he's obviously gonna be a backup.

726
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the other notable thing to me.

727
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: Is when I saw the Brids were looking for backup shortstops,

728
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: it kind of told me that the Braves aren't necessarily

729
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: looking to improve the starting shortstop, because if the Braids

730
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: were looking to improve the starting shortstop, Orlando Orcia would

731
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: be the backup shortstop. And so you can kind of

732
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: connect the dots there. I do think other needs have

733
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: jumped shortstop. I think outfield with the injury and Celnick

734
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: being so bad last year. I think, you know, high

735
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: leverage reliever now is a is a place they gotta

736
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: go add, and starter I think all of those have

737
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: jumped shortstop in terms of what the Braves need. I

738
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: think the Braves think if they can bat Orlando ninth,

739
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: they can live with it. I don't love it. I

740
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: desperately want the Braves to move on from Orlando, but

741
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it's gonna happen. This offseason. We'll

742
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: see things could change. But yeah, when I saw that move,

743
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: the first thing I thought was he doesn't have any

744
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: minding the options, so he's probably gonna get dfa'ed soon.

745
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: Second thing I thought was, wow, this guy can't hit

746
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: it all. It's gonna be the backup shortstop and I'm

747
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: guessing Orlando is gonna be the starter next year, but

748
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: we'll see well.

749
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: And the thing that we'll hit on, you know, as

750
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: we wrap up this edition in the Hammer Territory podcast

751
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: is that I don't want anyone, you know, to each

752
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: their own how they feel, but I think it's important

753
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to mention that, you know, one of the factors playing

754
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: into does it make sense for the Braves to try

755
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: to truly go after a shortstop upgrade is kind of

756
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: the lack of options, right, Like we talked about it

757
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: on the trade show, There's just not many like middle

758
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: tier shortstop options out there. If it's a left handed

759
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: hitting shortstop, it likely is a franchise type player that

760
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: you either don't want to pay the price to go

761
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: get or the team that has them don't want to

762
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: trade him. I know we talked about Corey Seeger. I

763
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: highly doubt that that's going to happen. You yourself said

764
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: he's not going to be on the team. But even

765
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to free agency, I don't necessarily think

766
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: the Braids are going to pay more than Danzby Swonson

767
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: got from the Cubs to try to get Willia Domas

768
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Hasan Kim does make some sense, but there's a lot

769
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: of teams that are going to be going after his services.

770
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: I do think he would be a great addition to this

771
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: offseason for the Braise, But that's one option. That's one option,

772
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: and that's why I think it makes sense for Atlanta.

773
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if it makes sense. It's the

774
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: right word. That's why I get the logic behind that.

775
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: If they're going to spend significantly, it likely is going

776
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: to be in the outfield where they can have multiple

777
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: options that they can go to based off price and

778
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: all that different stuff, versus potentially going overboard or paying

779
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: too much for a short stop upgrade.

780
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the argument. That's the logic of

781
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: it is that you know, you're limited. You know, Alex

782
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: says this all the time. You're limited to the options

783
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: out there. You know, if you need a short stop,

784
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: you're limited to who's available. And Willia Damas is the

785
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: biggest name on the list. But like the Dodgers are

786
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: in on Willie Domas, potentially the Mets are on on

787
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Willia Domas. You know he there was a report that

788
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: he's willing to change positions, maybe play third. You know

789
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: that opens up his market to up maybe a bunch

790
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: of other teams too, And so you know, if you're

791
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: having to compete with the Dodgers and the Mets for

792
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: anybody that's not that's not a great start, you know.

793
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: And then like you said, you know, Kim has some

794
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: injury stuff that's tricky. The contract is, you know, the

795
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: predictions are all over the place, and nobody has any

796
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: idea what Kim's gonna get it. You know, he might

797
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: be priced out of Atlanta as well. So yeah, I mean,

798
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: you just look at the options. Not a ton of

799
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: great options. I still love my guy Willy cash Strow

800
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: for the twins who can play shortstop. But you know,

801
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm you know, that's a long shot just because so

802
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: many names out there, the odds of that being the

803
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: one name they trade for is pretty low. But yeah,

804
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: my guess is Orlando's going to be the starter next year,

805
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: and the Braves look to upgrade everywhere else. They look

806
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: to upgrade the outfield, upgrade the rotation, upgrade to the bullpen.

807
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: And you know, that's you can make the you can

808
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: make that case that that's the right way to go.

809
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're wrong for that I'll have to

810
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: see the actual names that get added to the team

811
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: before I pass any judgment, But I can understand the

812
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: logic where there's just not a lot of names available

813
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: for that position and you're not going to force anything,

814
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: so you try to upgrade the other areas of the

815
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: team where there are names you like. And I think

816
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: that's what the Braves are going to do.

817
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: And who knows. We talk about, you know, having faith

818
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: that Sean Murphy can regain his offensive, you know value,

819
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the near future. I know

820
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Orlando Arcia never had the track record of a Sean Murphy,

821
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: but hey, just we're what eighteen months removed from Marline

822
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: being an All Star because of how good he was

823
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three season. I'm not I don't

824
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I'm not being facetious. I'm not saying

825
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna do that again. But my point is is

826
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: that it seems as if the Braves may be more

827
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: satisfied with just sticking for Orlando, then some may hope.

828
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: But if that's the case, you know, hopefully they'll make

829
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: the upgrades elsewhere to make it to where offense from

830
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: Orlando is not as big of a need moving forward, Steven,

831
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,319
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833
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Speaker 2: No, you know we're getting free agent contracts now. You know,

834
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: Travis Darnaut is the big one that happened today. But

835
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,680
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