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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're hoping not

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Speaker 1: to be cap casualties to me and your man MG

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grand joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. Uh, Lakwan,

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Speaker 1: you have successfully made another trip to and from New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: What was the best thing you ate in your trips there?

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Speaker 2: Best thing I ate? I think I've said it before.

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Speaker 2: It was at the Vessel Nola, But I did have

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Speaker 2: a Beigne at the hotel at the Marriotte in the

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Speaker 2: morning and I saw other people eating them. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know you can have it for breakfast and it was

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Speaker 2: really good. It was one of the best ones I had.

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Speaker 1: That's the only time I've ever had them. Do people

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Speaker 1: eat them at other times of day.

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Speaker 2: I've had some for dinner, I have some for lunch.

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Speaker 2: Like I was just eating Beigne's, like I was just

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Speaker 2: rating them in my hotel at the marriot've had the

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Speaker 2: best one.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's because every Beigne experience I've had has

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Speaker 1: been slightly hungover at Cafe b One with the dark

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Speaker 1: extra strong coffee and a whole bunch of powdered sugar

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Speaker 1: on my shirt. It's always gone down for me.

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate the one spot that was on Bourbon

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Speaker 2: I mean a dollar fifty beers, man, I mean that

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Speaker 2: that was an amazing spot there and had some bignets

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Speaker 1: So shout out to them. I forget their name, but

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Speaker 1: shout out to them. That is both great and terrible

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Speaker 1: all at the same time. Yeah, and I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: man like, I mean, here's a thing, whether it's a bignet,

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Speaker 1: whether it's funnel kick, whether it's a truro fried dough

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Speaker 1: with sugar on it is never bad. So simple to

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Speaker 1: make too, so simple fried dough and puts some sugar

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Speaker 1: on it, and you gotta winner. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. What we're going to talk to matt Ocata.

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Speaker 1: He wrote an article on NFL dot com about some

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Speaker 1: cut candidates have some interesting names in there, so we

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Speaker 1: will get his thoughts on that. We'll also dive into

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Speaker 1: the combine, which starts a little bit later on this week.

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Speaker 1: Just some overall overarching thoughts on what we expect to see,

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Speaker 1: who we might be interested in watching that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: But we do have some news you want to jump into.

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Speaker 1: This didn't make the rundown, But Floria, I'm want to

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Speaker 1: ask you this because the Bills have signed Khalil Shakiro

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Speaker 1: to an extension year.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: The applause tells me what I need to know. But

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Speaker 1: your thoughts generally on Khalil Shakier sticking around in Western

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Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 4: As someone who loved I was into Shakira even before,

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Speaker 4: like the year he got drafted. I remember being like,

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Speaker 4: I think this guy is just kind of going under

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Speaker 4: the radar right now, a really good slot guy. But

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Speaker 4: then watching his progressions year to year and having him

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Speaker 4: on a bunch of fantasy teams last year, it was

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Speaker 4: really awesome to see him become the go to guy

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Speaker 4: for Josh Allen. I think he is one of the

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Speaker 4: better slot receivers arguably has the best hands in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: and everything that I'm seeing is like the expectation was

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Speaker 4: that he was going to cost even more so if

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Speaker 4: the Bills got him on a team friendly deal. James

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Speaker 4: Cook posted that like a picture of them two would

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Speaker 4: just the hourglass, which tells me that, like that's probably

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Speaker 4: coming soon, and this is what I wanted. I wanted

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Speaker 4: the Bills to sign a bunch of their players resign

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, give him an extension, because you could save

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Speaker 4: a bunch of cap now this year and really load

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Speaker 4: up and make a run because you were so close

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Speaker 4: last year, and you did it in a retooling year.

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Speaker 4: Just get some more pieces, and they're so close. Eventually,

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Speaker 4: one of these years they're going to kick the door down,

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Speaker 4: and they just got to keep taking their shots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, they're trying to keep the band back together,

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Speaker 1: which is certainly a good thing.

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Speaker 2: That's super good man. Shout out Kalusha Heir. He was

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite three slat wide receivers. It was

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup, Christian Kirk and then Kalusha Heir throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: So happy he got paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently what we learned a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago on the show that I was apparently low man

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Speaker 1: on Klusha here. I was like, oh yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: he'd be okay, and the youuys were both like, no, man,

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Speaker 1: I thought you would crush. I was like, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm the idiot. So I'm so there peak

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Speaker 1: behind the curtain here, I'll yeah, right before we're about

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Speaker 1: to start the show. I'm sitting here my little works,

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Speaker 1: I just chilling, haven't quite logged in the stream yard yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm just doing my daily duo lingle, Spanish lessons and

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Speaker 1: everything nice. And I get a text in the text

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Speaker 1: chain from Michael Floria and it says, blow up the rundown.

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Speaker 1: Gronk's coming back, And my response was coming back to

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Speaker 1: do what? So I you know, I quickly went to

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Speaker 1: the Google machine and checked, and there are reports that

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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski is apparently eyeing an NFL return with the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. In the mix, we're all shaking our heads,

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Speaker 1: I sold Aquium. I'll ask you that is this a

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Speaker 1: real thing? Is this a serious thing? Or is this

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Speaker 1: just idle chatter in February.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I feel like the things that Gronk wants to

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Speaker 2: do he's going to do. He's been very serious and

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Speaker 2: adamant of doing wrestling, and then he appeared on a

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Speaker 2: Monday night raw thing and I'm just like, Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: a thing. And I remember him saying that he didn't

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Speaker 2: want to play for a team without Tom Brady being

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Speaker 2: his quarterback. But this just seems weird, like it's so random,

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Speaker 2: So maybe he's dead series about coming back. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This just feels like a thing where

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Speaker 1: it's like it's somebody overheard a conversation that may have happened,

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Speaker 1: and then it's sort of kind of taken on a

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Speaker 1: life of its own. I mean, part of the logic

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Speaker 1: was that, at least for Denver, was that Gronk and

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton worked together at Fox and they got along well,

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Speaker 1: and Gronk said he'd like to play for him. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, is he really saying I'd like to

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Speaker 1: play for Sean Pater or is it like I would

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Speaker 1: have loved to play for Sean Payton? Like we got

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Speaker 1: along so great it it would have been fun. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not buying it. But Florida, let's

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Speaker 1: just say for the sake of argument, that this is

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Speaker 1: a thing that actually happens. One. Rob Gronkowski has not

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Speaker 1: played professional football since twenty twenty one. Yeah, even then,

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Speaker 1: they sort of had to Brady sort of had to

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Speaker 1: coax him out of retirement the first time to come

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Speaker 1: down to Tampa Bay. And as Lakwan mentioned, Gronk has

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Speaker 1: never played without tom Brady. Can he succeed without tom Brady?

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Speaker 1: And is Denver the place for him to do that?

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Speaker 4: Could he have succeeded with tom Brady in his prime?

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Speaker 4: He could have succeeded anywhere, because he is arguably the

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Speaker 4: most physical, dominating tight end that at least that I've

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Speaker 4: ever seen. Like you could argue Travis Kelsey's the goat,

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Speaker 4: but like physically, like, okay, good luck stopping this dude.

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Speaker 4: When Gronk was at his peak, I don't think anyone

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Speaker 4: was higher in that regard than he was. But he's

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Speaker 4: not that player anymore. Like you said, he hasn't played

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Speaker 4: since twenty twenty one, He's going to be thirty six

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Speaker 1: He has so.

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Speaker 4: Many injuries and wear and tear on those tires. Denver

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Speaker 4: could be the place where he has success coming back

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Speaker 4: in this sense of like, hey, he played the full year,

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Speaker 4: we had some design packages for him, something along those lines,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he could be anything more than like

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Speaker 4: a contributor who who plays here and there? To me,

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Speaker 4: this feels like, uh, like Gronk wants to keep his

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Speaker 4: name in the news cycle right now, he generate some hype.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that USAA money is starting to run out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but like, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If Gronk comes back, it's it's more of a spectacle

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Speaker 4: I would feel like than something to get excited football wise.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they overheard him say tight end coach, maybe some

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Speaker 2: type of like mentorship of the tight ends. Like I

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Speaker 2: can't physically see I don't know if I want him

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Speaker 2: just be in a building kicking with Sean Payon, just

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Speaker 2: talking about his times and playing with Tom Braid to

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Speaker 2: the tight ends and like, hey, you should do this

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Speaker 2: because we haven't really seen a successful tight end in

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Speaker 2: Denver in a while. I mean, Albert oh was a

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Speaker 2: guy I can't pronounce his last name, and the other guy.

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Speaker 1: Uh Akoya Bunham. No, Like trust me, I spent all

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Speaker 1: off season learning to say the name Akoya Bunham because

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to happen and it it didn't.

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Speaker 2: See, they need help at that position, so maybe he

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Speaker 2: can come in drop some seeds, I listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't physically see him playing football anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like is he is he better than Greg Doulchic At

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Speaker 4: this point, I would say.

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Speaker 2: No, he's still on the team. I mean, geez, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's the Fisherman guy that I'm a trout guy, Like, guy,

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Speaker 2: don't troutman Troutman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go. I'm trying to be like, I don't

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Speaker 1: have the have the Broncos had a quality tight end

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Speaker 1: since Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 4: I mean Julius Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Julius Thomas. All right, that's fair, but that was like

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Speaker 1: one year. Yeah, I don't know. I just I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying into this. And even if for whatever

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Speaker 1: reason it happens, I'm not drafting Gronk if somebody else

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Speaker 1: feels a little bit well, no, it's not the same.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like Josh Gordon, but there's not

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Speaker 1: this Like I think people were kind of like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's buying into this. Like every time Josh

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Speaker 1: Gordon's name came up, like people got excited. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to do this to ourselves.

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Speaker 4: If Josh Gordon or Martevius Brian suned a contract this somewhere,

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Speaker 4: I would Brian, don't do the series those two every year.

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Speaker 1: You deserve better than this, Michael Florida, you deserve better.

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Speaker 4: I went all in on my Tavi's Bryant one year,

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Speaker 4: and he didn't even make it past camp because like

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Speaker 4: he got in trouble off the fielder, and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's when I'm done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know. This feels like

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Speaker 1: a weird February story that's not really gonna have legs. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: a February story that very much seems to have legs

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Speaker 1: is in Los Angeles, where the Rams have granted Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford permission to talk to other teams. Uh. This is

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Speaker 1: after allowing Cooper Cup to seek a trade as well.

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Speaker 1: So while the Bills are keeping the band back together,

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Speaker 1: the Rams might be off doing little solo projects off

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Speaker 1: on other sides. When you saw this on the rundown, Lakwan,

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Speaker 1: you said you were triggering. Second, I will ask Florio

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Speaker 1: this question, and instead, besides Los Angeles and playing for

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay, do you see another place that be a

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Speaker 1: great fit for Matthew Stafford. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the Vikings would be a really good fit

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Speaker 4: for him because it's a koc similar offense is what

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Speaker 4: Sean McVay runs. You get Justin Jefferson there, who I

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Speaker 4: think would win the triple crown. With Matthew Stafford, you

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Speaker 4: have TJ. Howkinson and Jordan Addison, and we just saw

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Speaker 4: that offense elevate Sam Darnold to be what he was

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Speaker 4: this past year, so I can only imagine what it

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Speaker 4: would elevate Matthew Stafford to be at this point of

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Speaker 1: Let's go basically just a hey, look, I know, like

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Speaker 1: time to let guys go for salary cap reason, so

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Speaker 1: we figured, hey, why not bring our pal Matt on

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Speaker 1: to come and talk about it a little bit. Matt Ocada,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by, man, been a while. How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Happy to be here. Always am good

435
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Speaker 3: to see you all. I hope you're all doing well.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, Yeah, we're good. You know, Lakwan's we.

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Speaker 3: Did everybody survive a Chiefs Eagle Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, it went as well as it could have

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Speaker 4: for me as someone who thought my team would be

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Speaker 4: in that game, and went as well as it could have.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for me, whose team has been victimized

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Speaker 1: by the Chiefs twice over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a.

445
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Speaker 3: Team the Patriot?

446
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Speaker 4: You must, that's right, yes, you know what so because

447
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: you are a Patriot fan. But for some reason, you

448
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: love Kyler so much that my brain associates you with

449
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Speaker 4: the car.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was also Hill more than Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because every time Taysom Hill had

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Speaker 1: have a big game, I mean, matt o'cott is the

454
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Speaker 1: first name that pops into my hand. I'm like, he

455
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Speaker 1: is somewhere enjoying this right.

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Speaker 4: That six week or it was like three week stretch

457
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Speaker 4: or whatever it was in the middle of the season.

458
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Speaker 4: I'm certain no one was enjoying that more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, for sure. Anyway, you did right about a

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Speaker 1: bunch of cut candidates. You actually included some defensive guys,

461
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Speaker 1: which I thought were interesting. But this is a fantasy

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Speaker 1: football podcast, so we want to focus obviously on the

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Speaker 1: offensive guys.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned two.

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Speaker 1: Players, and you look to your credit in your defense,

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Speaker 1: you said that both of these guys are long shots,

467
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Speaker 1: that being Travis Kelcey and Mark Andrews. Obviously, with Kelsey,

468
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Speaker 1: the thing hanging over this whole thing is whether or

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Speaker 1: not he just retires all together and decides to be

470
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Speaker 1: a full time podcaster, commercial pitch man and kept a

471
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Speaker 1: man to a billionaire pop star. But of those two

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Speaker 1: understanding they're both long shots. Is there one that seems

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Speaker 1: possibly more likely than the other for.

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Speaker 3: You, Yeah, I mean, to your credit, thank you for

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Speaker 3: giving me my credit on stating very clearly these are

476
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Speaker 3: both long shots. The fans in the Twitter sphere do

477
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Speaker 3: not seem to understand that. They just think I'm predicting

478
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Speaker 3: it and they freak out. But what's worth and there

479
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Speaker 3: was some verbiage from Breadveach today about Travis Kelsey in

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Speaker 3: the fact they expect him to come back and all

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Speaker 3: this stuff, so that lends into the camp of he'll

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Speaker 3: be back, which is what the expectation is. But remember,

483
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Speaker 3: and I remember very clearly, because everybody did this in

484
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Speaker 3: the Twitter sphere last year. Aaron Jones last year, I

485
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Speaker 3: put in this exact column and the front office was

486
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Speaker 3: talking about wanting to bring him back, and everybody freaked

487
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Speaker 3: out that I put him in there, and then he

488
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Speaker 3: was later cut and it sounds crazy because these people

489
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Speaker 3: are like face of the franchise is great players. I

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Speaker 3: don't think either Travis Kelcey or Mark Andrews gets cut.

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Speaker 3: But if Travis Kelcey does not retire, I think he

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Speaker 3: would be the more likely guy to get cut. The

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Speaker 3: one thing he saves much more against the cap. He

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Speaker 3: saved seventeen point three million dollars against the cap for

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, who aren't in the best of places cap wise,

496
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Speaker 3: are not in horrible spot necessarily, But then the other

497
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Speaker 3: thing is and I feel like sometimes we overlook this

498
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Speaker 3: because his name is Travis Kelcey and he's going to

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Speaker 3: be a Hall of Famer first ballot. He has not

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Speaker 3: been that good for two straight years now. Up until

501
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, he had seven straight years of one

502
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Speaker 3: thousand yards. We all remember that he had eight touchdowns

503
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Speaker 3: and five of those six years leading up to twenty

504
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Speaker 3: twenty three, and then these last two years less than

505
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Speaker 3: a thousand years in both seasons eight total touchdowns combined

506
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Speaker 3: between those two seasons fewer than twelve yards per reception

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Speaker 3: each of the last two years when he had twelve

508
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Speaker 3: yards per reception nine straight years, So he was the

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Speaker 3: best tight end or one of two maybe when Gronk

510
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Speaker 3: was around for like seven to nine years in the

511
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Speaker 3: entire NFL. He's not that anymore, which means he may

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Speaker 3: not be worth this price tag anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Will the Chiefs cut him just because of that? Maybe not,

515
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Speaker 3: because he's such an integral part of their franchise. He's

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Speaker 3: still a better than average tight end all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But if one of these two guys is going to

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Speaker 3: get cut, I think it would be Kelsey. Andrews didn't

519
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Speaker 3: have a great year either, but he at least did

520
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Speaker 3: really ratchet up at touchdowns towards the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: And he's also six years younger, saves less against the cap,

522
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Speaker 3: and isn't maybe distracted by dating the most popular woman

523
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Speaker 3: on the planet and also sing up podcast with his brother.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's really part of the problem,

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Speaker 3: But Kelsey's on the climb.

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Speaker 4: To your point on that, Like, like you say, two

527
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Speaker 4: years but two years ago in twenty twenty four playoffs,

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Speaker 4: he still kind of looked like Travis Kelcey and it

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Speaker 4: was like, all right, yeah, he's doing this thing where

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Speaker 4: he's he's saving his body for the playoffs. So but

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Speaker 4: he wasn't even able to dial it up in the

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Speaker 4: playoffs really this year, outside of that one game against

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Speaker 4: the Texans. So the only thing with these two, and

534
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Speaker 4: it's so funny to me that of the two, the

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Speaker 4: fan base that wants the one cut is the Ravens fans.

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Speaker 4: I see all the time on Twitter saying to cut

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Speaker 4: Mark Andrews. But like Mark Andrews clearly still has more

538
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Speaker 4: football left in him. If the Chiefs cut Kelsey, I

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Speaker 4: can't see him wearing any other uniform.

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Speaker 1: No. I think if Travis Kelsey's not back in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: he's retired. Like I just don't. I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned, Matt, you mentioned the Chiefs do have

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Speaker 1: a history of cutting Hall of Fame tight ends and

544
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Speaker 1: maybe still have a little bit left in the tank.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they moved on from Tony Gonzalez at one point,

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Speaker 1: and he went on to Atlanta and had success there

547
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Speaker 1: for a number of years. I'm gonna ask you this, Florio,

548
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Speaker 1: because you gary a grudge against the Chiefs like no

549
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Speaker 1: one else. They do have just under eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: in salary cap space at the moment. They can obviously

551
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Speaker 1: do some things to clear some room out, but after

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Speaker 1: the loss in the Super Bowl, the fact that they

553
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Speaker 1: just sort of squeaked by so many games they weren't great.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they could blow everything up? And I

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Speaker 1: would say rebuild, but maybe it's just kind of retool

556
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they could retool for sure. I think

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs sort of the Bills, the Cowboys are certainly

559
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Speaker 4: in this window. We see this when quarterback because quarterbacks

560
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: last so much longer than every other position that like Okatta,

561
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Speaker 4: being a Patriot fan, could speak on this, like there's

562
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Speaker 4: two iterations of Tom Brady's career right, Like they're like

563
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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks play so much longer that the roster around

564
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Speaker 4: them naturally everything changes, and the Chiefs are I think slow,

565
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Speaker 4: like trying to slow walk that process like Chris Jones,

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Speaker 4: I don't think is going anywhere. But that's the other

567
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Speaker 4: thing with the Chiefs is they've paid outside of like

568
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Speaker 4: Tyreek and Snead, who they let who they traded or

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Speaker 4: let walk, They've kept a lot of their big name players.

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Speaker 4: So when you are paying all of these high end talent,

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Speaker 4: the rest of your roster has to suffer. There's only

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Speaker 4: so much money to go around. So the Chiefs are

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Speaker 4: entering this weird stage where they have a lot of

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Speaker 4: high end talent. They still have arguably the best coaching

575
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Speaker 4: duo in the NFL, but the team around Mahomes is

576
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Speaker 4: getting weaker and weaker. So I think if you're the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: so you look at it like we were in the

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Speaker 4: super Bowl this year, We've been in the AFC Championship

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Speaker 4: Game seven times in a row. We're going to continue

580
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Speaker 4: to try to ride this out, but you need to

581
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Speaker 4: try to get younger, and you need to try to

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Speaker 4: find cheaper pieces to add around because you can't just

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Speaker 4: keep paying everyone. Eventually the bill comes due.

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Speaker 1: I will say Kansas City was very smart in locking

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Speaker 1: up Mahomes to a long term deal when they did,

586
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Speaker 1: which at the time it was a huge deal. But

587
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Speaker 1: as we're seeing more and more quarterbacks sign it's looking

588
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Speaker 1: more and more like a bargain for Kansas City. So

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Speaker 1: that does give them, I guess, a little bit of flexibility,

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Speaker 1: but I think to your point, Mike, they do have

591
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Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, figure out how to retool.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots did that great for twenty years. Just you know,

593
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Speaker 1: there are so many different versions of Patriots super Bowl

594
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Speaker 1: teams that one didn't quite look like the other LaQuan.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you though about on the Ravens side,

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Speaker 1: if for whatever reason, they decide that they want to

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Speaker 1: part ways with Mark Andrews, and that does seem sort

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Speaker 1: of hard to imagine right now. Is Isaiah likely enough

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Speaker 1: at least for the tied end position? Is he enough

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Speaker 1: to sort of keep this train rolling there?

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Speaker 2: Man, it's one of those things that you hope they

602
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Speaker 2: don't cut Mark Andrews because he didn't really end the

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Speaker 2: season very well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been going.

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Speaker 2: I mean like, I mean, boy, if they cut him, boy,

606
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be having probably the worst years and well

607
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Speaker 2: probably not the worst year in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: There's another player there.

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Speaker 2: But uh, anyway, I would just say more so looking

610
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Speaker 2: at it, like Isaiah likely is one of those stuff,

611
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Speaker 2: you know, tight ends that we've seen flash multiple times,

612
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Speaker 2: and we kind of want him to get the keys

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Speaker 2: to take the full on mantle, and I honestly believe that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Isaiah likely can step up to the plate.

615
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Speaker 2: But you just love Mark Andrews comfortability with Lamar Jackson,

616
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Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson comfortability with Mark Andrews. That's a connection

617
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Speaker 2: that you know, I can't see breaking up anytime soon,

618
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Speaker 2: just based on all the stuff that they've given us.

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Speaker 2: And I definitely think, you know, Isaiah likely is still

620
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Speaker 2: a young player. You know, he could still learn so

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Speaker 2: much from Mark Andrews. So cutting Mark Andrews now, it's

622
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Speaker 2: one of those things with you know, with Travis Kelcey,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those front facing guys, like it'll feel

624
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Speaker 2: weird without him in the locker room, I think more so,

625
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Speaker 2: and I fool weird for fantasy seeing him play anywhere else.

626
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Speaker 2: But as a rams frain, we could use him any

627
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Speaker 2: of these guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could put a spot for him.

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Speaker 2: But it's definitely one of those things, you know, these

630
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Speaker 2: young guys that they had behind him, like even Thoah Gray,

631
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Speaker 2: we didn't mention him. I'm really, you know, surprised they

632
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Speaker 2: didn't really get him going as much this season as well,

633
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Speaker 2: you know in the back end with Travis Kelcey declining,

634
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Speaker 2: like we've seen flashes and moments from him as well.

635
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Speaker 2: So these young guys, they have the right mentors in

636
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Speaker 2: front of them. So it's one of those things like

637
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Speaker 2: it's too soon to let either one of these guys go.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you mentioned Noa Gray too, because like

639
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Speaker 1: Noah Gray and Isaiah Likely were sort of in the

640
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Speaker 1: same boat, I think, fantasy wise, where they would do

641
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Speaker 1: just enough to irritate the rest of us who drafted

642
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Speaker 1: the guy ahead of them, right, like Noah Great would

643
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Speaker 1: catch a touchdown and everybody who had Travis Kelce would

644
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Speaker 1: throw their hands up in disgust. And look, I'm old

645
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Speaker 1: enough to remember Week one when Isaiah Likely went berserk

646
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Speaker 1: and we were all wondering did we make on mistakes

647
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Speaker 1: drafting Mark Andrews. That was about the last I think

648
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Speaker 1: we heard of Isaiah Likely. For the most part, I just.

649
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: Want to see Likely get a chance. Man. I truly

650
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: believe he's the best number two tight end in football

651
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: outside of maybe like Michael Mayor.

652
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't disagree

653
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: with that at all. Matt, you wrote about the Jets

654
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: Adams Allen Lazard both candidates to potentially be cut. Obviously,

655
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: the team has said they are moving on from Aaron

656
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers at this point, so I mean it, that really

657
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: makes it. Like, Look, if I'm at a party and

658
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: the only person I know is the host, and the

659
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: host like dips out for a while. I'm not really

660
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: hanging around anymore, you know, so, right if you are

661
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: the Jets, Matt, either neither or both. When it comes

662
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: to moving on from Adams and Lazard.

663
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: It's gotta be both. In my opinion that this is

664
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: not just you only knew the host, it's also the

665
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: host of the only person that likes you there and

666
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: the only person you like there. And there's really no

667
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: reason for either of you to be there except for

668
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. That is the vast majority to entirety of

669
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: the reason that both these guys ended up in New York,

670
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: and with him gone, I don't see a good reason

671
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: for them to keep either. Obviously, Adams is still very,

672
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: very good and productive. He had a solid year. He

673
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: carries if cut a thirty million dollar cap savings for

674
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: the Jets, that is absurd. You do not save that

675
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: much money cutting players in the NFL very often. And

676
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: this team needs to make big moves. They need to

677
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: make significant moves to shore up a bunch of stuff

678
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: that went very wrong this past year. Obviously, the fact

679
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: that Rogers banged up didn't play well. All that stuff

680
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: got got a little better towards the end made what

681
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: was a big part of the issue. But DeVante Adams

682
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: carrying that much of the money is not going to work.

683
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: And it's not gonna work, particularly when you don't have

684
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback, because that's so much of

685
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: the connection there. Also, you have Garrett Wilson, and I

686
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 3: think that bringing in Adams kind of created some friction

687
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: and some awkwardness and some issues with Wilson, which kind

688
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: of brought him down a little bit. So you have

689
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: a true wide receiver one, or at least a very

690
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: good one A. You can bring in someone who's more

691
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: of a two or you know, a lower end one

692
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: B to work alongside Wilson, who costs a third of

693
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: this maybe less, and use that money elsewhere much more effectively.

694
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: And then Alan Lazard is just not good, sorry Czar.

695
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: He's an oak. He's a spottily useful wide receiver three,

696
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: specifically for Aaron Rodgers and nothing else. So he brings

697
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: six point six millions in savings. He has a thirteen

698
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: million dollar cap hit. That is not worth a kind

699
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: of okay, sometimes wide receiver three for a quarterback that's gone.

700
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: Now they need to find somebody else to play. Alongside Wilson.

701
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, the other good news is

702
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: that Alan Lazard last year had maybe the second best

703
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: season he's ever had in the NFL. The bad news

704
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: is that's thirty seven catches in five hundred and thirty yards.

705
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Like that's what that is.

706
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: And most of it happened in like the first six weeks.

707
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: He was kind of good for that stretch and then

708
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: he disappeared.

709
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.

710
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: If Aaron Rodgers is let's say he retires, right and

711
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: he's not a starting quarterback next year, just for hypothetical,

712
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: does Alan Lazard have a future in the NFL? Like,

713
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: I don't see any other team really being like we

714
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: need this guy, Patriots, the Patriots receivers, I don't know.

715
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: I'd rather have Javon Baker.

716
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: We have seventy four wide receiver threes.

717
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: We don't need another, right like they got they've got

718
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: multiple Alan Lazard's on the roster already. Why would you

719
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: bring in another one? Like that's very much the Hey,

720
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: I want Alan Lazard, and they're like, we have Alan

721
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Lazard at home. It's fine. It's like we don't have

722
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: to worry about that at all. Christian Kirk another name

723
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: that is on that list. Obviously, Brian Thomas Junior had

724
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: a very good rookie season. But Matt, I mean, look,

725
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned this. We all sort of laughed. We all

726
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: pointed and laughed at the Jaguars. When they sign Christian

727
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Kirk to that big deal and that first year he

728
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: was really good, it's like, oh, you've sort of earned

729
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: your money. Since then, he's been injured a whole lot.

730
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: So if they decide to move on from him, is

731
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: there still enough help for BTJ on the roster? Would

732
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: they have to go get somebody.

733
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: There's not enough? So this is a two sided coin here.

734
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: I think Kirk needs to be cut. I think they

735
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: probably will cut Kirk because of the money and the

736
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: health and production the last couple of years. After that

737
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: one really good year, he's I think he's a good

738
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: wide receiver two, one of the better wide receiver two

739
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: is probably in the NFL, particularly when healthy. Obviously when

740
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: you're not, that brings that down quite a bit. But

741
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: at this price point, I don't think it's right. But

742
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: if he's gone, there's not enough else there. Besides Brian Thomas,

743
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: you got Gabe Davis who will have probably two good games.

744
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't think he even had two good games

745
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: last year, and then after that you got a bunch

746
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: of like wide receiver four nobody's I think that this

747
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: would be a good team to go out and work

748
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: hard to get one of the higher end, possession type

749
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver veterans that are kind of the top end

750
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: of free agency this year. Because Brian Thomas Junior is

751
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: such an unbelievable explosive downfield threat, I think it would

752
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: be really nice to pair him with, honestly, someone kind

753
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: of like Christian Kirk, but with maybe a little bit

754
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: more upside, maybe a little bit more reliability, and maybe

755
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: at a lower price points. Maybe that's someone likes Stefon Diggs.

756
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Even maybe it's Amari Cooper, depending on what kind of

757
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: money that draws, or and this is kind of my favorite,

758
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: maybe it's Keenan Allen. You can probably get Keenan Allen cheaper.

759
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 3: I still think he's got a lot left in the

760
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: tank in terms of just being a good possession receiver.

761
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: I think he'd be a great compliment to Brian Thomas

762
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: Junior and helped Trevor Lawrence out a lot.

763
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: I love what they're doing down at least, I think

764
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: I love what they're doing down there. I don't know

765
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: they have a new GM who everybody is, you know,

766
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: sort of pointing out the fact that he looks like he,

767
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, just graduated from college and should be an

768
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: intern somewhere. So we'll see what they what they decide

769
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: to do with that.

770
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: As he used it, matting that at ratings.

771
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's using Madden ratings. I think, at

772
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: least at least at least not publicly. At least not publicly. Right, Look,

773
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: when your head coach goes to his opening press conference

774
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: and says duoh like the weirdest, creepiest way possible, like

775
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: any weirdness that you have bubbling under the surface, you

776
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: should probably keep that quiet, at least for the time being.

777
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: A little bit o condor, you asked if Gabe Davis

778
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: had a good game, he played ten this year. How

779
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: many yards do you guys think Gabe Davis had this

780
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: year total total ten games.

781
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say two. I'm gonna say two fifteen.

782
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna say two thirty two, three thirty two.

783
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: Thirty nine, two thirty nine and touchdowns they came in

784
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: the same game.

785
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like, you know, on on Fantasy Live

786
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: we do the Cardio King of the Week. I feel

787
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: like he won that a few times. Just he's mostly

788
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: just getting his.

789
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: Steps and Nobel Prize of the Cardio King.

790
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think at this point like we

791
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: might just have to rename it the Gabe Davis Award.

792
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: Remember this time last year when people were like, well,

793
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 4: Josh Allen doesn't have Gabe Davis anymore.

794
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm number two summers ago when he was a lightning

795
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: rod for Fantasy Twitter conversation like if you if you

796
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: were just bored one day and you wanted to start

797
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: a fight, just say Gave Davis is good and then

798
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: just walk away and then just watch your mentions go

799
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: berserk for you know, twenty four hours or so. So yeah, well,

800
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: last thing I want to ask you you this wasn't

801
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: in your piece, but I know you. You obviously spent

802
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: a lot of time for folks who don't know you,

803
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time scouting and looking at wide receivers,

804
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: evaluating wide receivers. Travis Hunter, one of the premier names

805
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: in this draft, and there's so much conversation about what

806
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: his NFL future can be, was a stud in college

807
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: at both Jackson State and Colorado playing both ways for you?

808
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, Yeah, Travis Hunter is not sitting here

809
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: taking advice from any of the four of us. But

810
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: if you were to give him advice, can he play

811
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: both ways in the NFL? Or should he stick to

812
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: one side or the other?

813
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: Ooh okay, So that way of warding it makes it

814
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: especially tough because if Travis Hunter is coming to my

815
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: front door and asking, I'm probably telling him, bro, do

816
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: whatever you possibly can. Have the best cardio in the

817
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: NFL and play every snap on both sides and be

818
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: an unbelievable generational show. Hey, O, Tani level player with

819
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: if the gms for the thirty two franchises in the

820
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: NFL ask me the same question. I think the answer

821
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: might be different, and some of it does still kind

822
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: of apply in terms of what Travis maybe should do

823
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 3: for himself. And it's simply this. The risk of injury

824
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: is very high in the NFL. I think it gets

825
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: higher exponentially the more snaps you play, because your cardio

826
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: goes down, the hits, pile up all that stuff. When

827
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: you're doubling the snaps you're playing, you're more or less,

828
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: at least doubling the risk of injury, and that's obviously

829
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 3: very tough for an elite, high level, high drafted player

830
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: on either side of the ball. It's tough for anybody,

831
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 3: of course, to be injured, but to add that risk

832
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: to the equation makes it especially complicated. So I don't

833
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: think it's probably best for an NFL team that he

834
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: plays every snap on both sides of the ball. Long term,

835
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: I think it's probably not best for him that he does.

836
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Although if he did it on his rookie contract, good gracious,

837
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: would his second contract be nice? So maybe that's the strike,

838
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: is do it on his rookie contract and then specialize later.

839
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 3: I really like what Daniel Jeremiah said in his Top

840
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: fifty article. This is kind of the way I think

841
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: about it, and I think he said it very well,

842
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: which is basically that he can have an impact on

843
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball and probably will, but it

844
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 3: will require likely that he majors in defense and minors

845
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: in offense. And that's the way I think he should

846
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: go about it, because I think it's easier to have

847
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: a big impact playing half two thirds of the snaps

848
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: at wide receiver than it is to play half the

849
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: snaps at cornerback. So that's the way I would go

850
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: if I was Travis Hunter, and that's the way I

851
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: would go if that was a team looking to draft.

852
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: Coincidentally, as you were talking, I just saw this Cam

853
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: Wolf tweet. As we're recording this. He said, the Titans,

854
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: who have the number one pick, view Hunter primarily as

855
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 4: a cornerback, and the Browns, who have the number two pick,

856
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: Viewing primarily as a wide receiver.

857
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.

858
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

859
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: What I'll tell you what this is gonna be is

860
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: absolute horror for fantasy managers if they go somewhere where

861
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: it's not for sure.

862
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm drafting Travis Hunter. I think there's

863
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 4: too much that can go wrong.

864
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much unknown.

865
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm with you. It's funny too, because

866
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I think what DJ said about majoring and defense, minoring

867
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: and offense, that seems to be the consensus right now. Yeah.

868
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: I know there are some people who think he should,

869
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe go the other way. But if that

870
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: that opinion seems to be at this point the minority opinion.

871
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: But very curious how these teams view him and whoever

872
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: drafts him. What side they want him to primarily focus on,

873
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: because you're right, Matt, I don't. I don't think what

874
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: he did at Colorado is sustainable in the NFL. One

875
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: of the things I've heard Daniel Jeremia say too about

876
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: it is, you know, in college, it's easier to kind

877
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: of spread out, spread the field a little bit and

878
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: as your corner maybe not be so involved in the

879
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: run stopping part of defense. It's a little bit harder

880
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: to do in the NFL, you know. And look, I

881
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: mean you know, say he ends up, say with the Giants,

882
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you got to be tasked with, say,

883
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: try to stop say Kwon Barkley a couple times a year, right, Like, Yeah,

884
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: that's how business decisions get made, for sure. So you know,

885
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: we will see the one thing we know he's very

886
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: much going to be the talk of the combine, which

887
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: good place for us tickets, quick break will come back,

888
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: We will talk about what is going on in Indianapolis.

889
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: So when or not we should be spending our weekends

890
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: obsessing over this and all that sort of thing and

891
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: what we should be paying attention to. Maybe when we

892
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: talk about the combine, let's come it up next here

893
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: on the NFL Fantasy Football podcast Matt Oconna hanging out

894
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: with us. You see his article over at NFL dot com.

895
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: You're talking about his potential cut candidates for this off season, Matt.

896
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: For folks who maybe are uninitiated, where can they find you? Where?

897
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Where can they find your stuff?

898
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: Well, you can find me on Twitter or x or

899
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: whatever you still want to call it at Mettalcotta. I'm

900
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: also technically on Blue Sky, but I don't know if

901
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: anyone's using that still. I am okay, I'm over there somewhere.

902
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: If you search my name, you'll probably fuck me and

903
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: then I'm also I'll be doing throughout the off season

904
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: and into the next season as well, and I did

905
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: this past season some freelance work with a color, a

906
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: couple other fantasy places four for four. I'll be doing

907
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: some stuff at FTN this offseason, so if you want

908
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: to find some more content, you can always do that.

909
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: There's other free agency articles of mine, both already out

910
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: and coming out shortly sneak peakspoiler alert at NFL dot

911
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: com too, so very cool.

912
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: I can vouch for the four for four pot I

913
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: know you said you may or may not be doing

914
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: it regularly this offseason. But you and John Bosh, you know,

915
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: I've listened to it. I was a guest on it once.

916
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: So maybe my own personal selfish self interest here here,

917
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: but a good show over there whenever you can find it. Combine,

918
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: we'll be hitting this week in Indianapolis already seeing the

919
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: tweets and the press conferences, and I'm sure we'll see

920
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: plenty of word about Saint Elmo's and shrimp cocktails and

921
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: all those sorts of things steak and shake and the

922
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: like coming up by the next few days. This is

923
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: the thing, guys, that I sort of struggle with because

924
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: it's obviously a tent pole on the actual NFL calendar,

925
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like for fantasy, we have tried to

926
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: make it into a thing. And look, there are a

927
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: lot of people who do a lot of good evaluations

928
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: and scouting and that's sort of thing. But I feel

929
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: like in the end, it always comes down to, yeah,

930
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: this guy ran well, or he tested well or he

931
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: didn't test well, and we always say the same thing.

932
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: But depending on the landing spot, this could work out.

933
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: So it's just sort of like, well, what have we

934
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: done here? So I mean, I'll start with you, Lakwan,

935
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? What's important and what's not

936
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: important for you when it comes to the combine.

937
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm not really like focused on the combine and whatsoever

938
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: other than players that I'm really excited about to go

939
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: out there and like just show up and like just

940
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: do regular football things and shorts and T shirts. Like

941
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that into fantasy into the summer because

942
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't know where these guys are going. And like

943
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: if we did this all the time when we were

944
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: trying to like, oh well, the draft analyst said this,

945
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: and combine numbers say that.

946
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: But he just went to the Browns.

947
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: His future is over.

948
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: Like he's not perform at the high level that we

949
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: were talking him up for the last three months. It's

950
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: just it just doesn't happen. And then you have guys

951
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: that go under the radar, Like I used Cooper Cup

952
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 2: an example. You didn't have like the greatest fort he's

953
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: not the fastest guy, but a lot of the stuff

954
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: that he was doing, like it was translating to maybe

955
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: he could be a guy and a certain you know,

956
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: Panthers Ravens wide receiver said, you know that's my number

957
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: one guy, Like and and I looked to that, I'm

958
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: like why And then you watched the video Sean McVay

959
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: lesneid their excitement of drafting Cooper Cup, and it's like, oh, so.

960
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: It matters where the landing spot go. Who can utilize

961
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: this guy.

962
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: Imagine Cooper Cup went to the Patriots, the Saints or

963
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: somewhere else, like, he would not be the Triple Crown king.

964
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: He would be because you need the right coach, the

965
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: right personnel to actually get the guy to be able

966
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: to perform at the numbers at the combine. That you

967
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: know you saw that you were excited about Matt Correct

968
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: if I get any of this wrong. Now, I know

969
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: you have been certified as a wide receiver scout.

970
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: Is that correct?

971
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

972
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: So I mean for you, like, do you spend a

973
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: lot of time watching the combin watching the receivers at

974
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: the combine or is there something you're looking for? Do

975
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: you just sort of kind of let it wash over

976
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: you and check up later.

977
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, of all the fantasy positions, wide receiver is the

978
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: one that I probably care the least about. The combine

979
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: to me, tape is so much more valuable with wide receivers.

980
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: And then production is also pretty valuable. Analytical stuff is

981
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: pretty valuable. Where the combine can have a little bit

982
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: more to say. I think is tight ends running backs,

983
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: and then it's nice to see the quarterbacks throw and

984
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: like go through those motions. But those are against no

985
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: defenders and not in pads and not in game situations

986
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: with a d line rushing down your throat. So you

987
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: don't learn too much in my opinion about them either.

988
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 3: And for the most part, I don't care about their

989
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: measurables unless I think they're going to be a big

990
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: running quarterback and they're fast, that's nice. But for wide

991
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: receiver in particular, yeah, it doesn't matter that much. What

992
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: I will say is like certain drills can matter relative

993
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: to other things about that wide receiver. So for example,

994
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: if you're really really small, like Xavier Worthy and you

995
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: don't run a four to two, it's probably gonna be

996
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: a little bit problematic. If you run a four to

997
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: four and you're that small, I don't know what you're

998
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: gonna do in the NFL. But if you're that small

999
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: and you run a four to two, okay, well now

1000
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: I know I mean, and you can know this without

1001
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: running at the combine. You can see how fast a

1002
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: player is on tapes for the for the most part.

1003
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: But when that guy runs a four to two, now

1004
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, this guy is going to be one

1005
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: of the fastest players in the NFL. There are a

1006
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: lot of things I can do with him in space

1007
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 3: that minimize his size limitations and low and behold. That's

1008
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: largely what the Chiefs did and it worked out pretty

1009
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: well for them. So there are some instances like that

1010
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: that matter. When you run a fast forty and you're

1011
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: much bigger, I think that can matter because it can

1012
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: tell you like, Okay, well it's a four to four,

1013
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: but that guy's two hundred and forty pounds. That tells

1014
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: me something that's pretty interesting and valuable.

1015
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Floria, what I mean? I know you're not

1016
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: as a huge combined guy, but is there something that

1017
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: that sort of catches your attention when it comes to

1018
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: this weekend?

1019
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: I agree with Okata. I think for me the biggest

1020
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: thing is running backs because they are the position that

1021
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: is most like tied to their athleticism and their capabilities physically.

1022
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: Like you can be a you don't have to be

1023
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 4: the fastest wide receiver in the world to be really

1024
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: productive at the NFL level. Laquan's example of Cooper cup

1025
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 4: is a is a good example of that. I always

1026
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: go back to one of the first combines. I was

1027
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: working for NFL Network and Elijah Holyfield had I believe

1028
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: that was his name, Holyfield Son, had a lot of

1029
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 4: hype and then he ran like a four to eight

1030
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: forty and we never saw him again. Yeah, like when

1031
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: a player is really slow, or like last year Isaac

1032
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: Grendel leading running backs in forty and the ten yard split.

1033
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'm going to go in and

1034
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: watch a lot more Isaac Grendel now because this is

1035
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: a player that I believe can contribute at the NFL level.

1036
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 4: So I really don't. Obviously, there's the high end running backs,

1037
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 4: like I've already watched a bunch of gent and stuff,

1038
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 4: But like the more fringy guys, I wait until after

1039
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: the combine because there's some guys that are just not

1040
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 4: going They're going to perform very poorly and teams are

1041
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: gonna be like their late round pick if anything. So

1042
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 4: I kind of wait for that for running backs, but

1043
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: receivers I don't. I mean, yeah, Xavier Worthy boosted his

1044
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: stock last year. But like Keton Coleman, everyone was like,

1045
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: he's so slow, but then he runs the fastest gauntlet

1046
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 4: time and it's like, oh well, none of that matters.

1047
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 4: So these are very particular with what they care about

1048
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: with wide receivers, whereas running backs, I think athleticism testing

1049
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: matters a lot.

1050
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean I think to your point about

1051
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers too. I remember being in in the the

1052
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: year DK Metcalf ran and his forty time was amazing.

1053
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: I remember hearing gasps in the crowd when we all

1054
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: saw the time, but then the three cone was really bad,

1055
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh no, like we gotta get Dk

1056
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: some pilates classes or something like what are we gonna do?

1057
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: Like it's worked out, you know, like it's been Dk

1058
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: metcalf has been just fine so far in the NFL.

1059
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: So I think there's something to that point. I think

1060
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: for me, it's more about sort of looking looking backwards

1061
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: at it and when it's over, maybe the guys who

1062
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: overperformed and the guys who really underperformed, and then using

1063
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: that as sort of a baseline to like, okay, well,

1064
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: now let's evaluate like is it that they really underperformed

1065
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: and let's go look at the tape and let's see

1066
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: what the tape says, or we're like, hey, is there

1067
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: something there? Like even the guy like, look, Andy Isabella

1068
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: had an amazing forty time, right, and the Cardinals kept

1069
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, put that square peg in a

1070
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: round hole for a long time and that never quite

1071
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: worked out. So I just I do think that sometimes

1072
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: we get, at least for fantasy, a little bit carried away,

1073
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: because it is very heavily about fit versus you know,

1074
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: necessarily and kind of of testing, especially testing where you know,

1075
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: guys spend time, like extra time preparing just for these

1076
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: specific drills. You know, it's like it's like taking an

1077
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: SAT crash course or whatever. Like it doesn't say to

1078
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: me you're smart. It just means you prepared for this

1079
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: one event that you were gonna have to do for

1080
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: a couple of days.

1081
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: All the big names are not really doing it anymore.

1082
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another big problem. Yeah, unfortunately. Well, and the

1083
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: other thing is to what you just said, Marcus, those

1084
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: things that they're doing that they're practicing for typically aren't

1085
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: things they're doing on an NFL field. Like, I still

1086
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: don't understand why we don't put a press corner at

1087
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: the start of the forty yard dash for all the

1088
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: wide receivers and then see how fast they get down

1089
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 3: the line, because that's why.

1090
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: Would have rented in six seconds.

1091
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I'm trying to It might

1092
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: have been any school or somebody. It was like an

1093
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and the forty time wasn't necessarily great. And

1094
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: I think somebody asked, like an offensive line coach about that,

1095
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: like does it concern you? And the response was, well,

1096
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: I guess I just won't have him running you know,

1097
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: forty yard verts anymore.

1098
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 4: You know, he's forty yards downfield. Something's gone terribly wrong.

1099
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: So something has happened, like some if it's a screen,

1100
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: like he has to get a field. I mean, I

1101
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: guess that's why they still do it.

1102
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: I guess, But like you're you're you know, but at

1103
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: some point, even on a screen, like if you've got

1104
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: a good running back, he's just gonna give blowing by him.

1105
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: You're not expecting Suel to be holding hands with jimor

1106
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Gibbs forty yards down the field. Like that's just not

1107
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: how it works. Same thing with like a d tackle, right,

1108
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: like if a d tackle is running forty yards. Any

1109
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: one way or another, something really bad has probably happened

1110
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: for the defense. So yeah, I think there's you know,

1111
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: take a lot of these things with the grain of salt.

1112
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: That being said, is there anybody in particular, La Kwan,

1113
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: that you're keeping an eye on it that you just

1114
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: want to see Maybe maybe it doesn't change how you

1115
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: feel about it, but you just want to see this

1116
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: guy perform at the combine.

1117
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: I got two guys, Damian Martinez running back out of

1118
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: Miami U and then Jaden Higgins Hiowa State. Those are

1119
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: the two guys that I will have circle just I

1120
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: just want to see what they do. Like, I want

1121
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: to see if their draft stock gets pushed up. I

1122
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: think they're both Day two guys the second round at

1123
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: least for Jayden Higgins. Like, I just want to see

1124
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: what the draft streets and then the fantasy streets overlapping

1125
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: do for these guys.

1126
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: Okay, to anybody you want to keep an eye on

1127
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: this week.

1128
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep an eye on the tight ends. This

1129
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: seems like a really interesting tight end class. There's a

1130
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: couple at the top that look like they're probably gonna

1131
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: go top fifteen. Tyler, Warren Coulson Loveland will probably go

1132
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 3: top fifteen to twenty at the most for leveland and

1133
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: then there's a bunch of other names that could be

1134
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: Day two Harold Fan and Junior Mason Taylor, Elijah Royo.

1135
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: There are a bunch of guys so and it feels

1136
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: like every year we need a big tight end influx,

1137
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: and sometimes we think it's gonna happen and then mostly

1138
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't. So maybe that's gonna be the same thing

1139
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: again this year. But I'm hoping that we get a

1140
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: nice deep class, especially if Travis Kelcey is going to

1141
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: be on his way out and then Mark Andrews will

1142
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: be on his way out at some point, so that

1143
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: we can get the next group of elites. We've already

1144
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: got a couple of them, and guys like Terry McBride.

1145
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: But I'm going to be watching for those the top

1146
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: end Day one and two tight ends and seeing and

1147
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, tight ends are one area where

1148
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: I do think measurables can tell you a lot because

1149
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 3: athletic tight ends are becoming the way of the NFL largely,

1150
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: and so seeing those good numbers helps me with my

1151
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: confidence in them. To some degree.

1152
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Warne's an interesting one because I mean, obviously

1153
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: he had an amazing season. Also me though, as a

1154
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: frustrated bitter USC fan, he destroyed us much of the

1155
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: way Dalton Kincaid did a couple of years ago. So like,

1156
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: I want to see if he sort of is is

1157
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: Kincaid or if he's maybe something else.

1158
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 4: So he's gonna drop a long catch in the AFC Championship.

1159
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: This was all This was all along, set up for

1160
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Florio to just vent. That's all that was. That's all

1161
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: that was. I'm glad you took the bait, Floria. Anybody

1162
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: else that you might be keeping an eye on.

1163
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: Pretty much the running backs, like you hear so much

1164
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: about how deep and how high end, like the high

1165
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: end talent is in this class. So I'm very curious

1166
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 4: to see if anyone separates themselves. Obviously Gent's already be

1167
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: one on this class, but after that, I really want

1168
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: to see how these guys separate themselves. But selfishly, I

1169
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 4: saw this morning that cam Ward is still considering participating,

1170
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: and he is my QB one. We've already spoke about

1171
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 4: this on the show. Like, I think all the physical

1172
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: attributes are there. I love his tools all of that.

1173
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: I kind of want him to put on a show

1174
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 4: and just cement himself as the number one pick this

1175
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: week like that, because we're not getting Sanders, we're not

1176
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 4: getting a lot of these big names like him. Coming

1177
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: out and putting on a show I think would be

1178
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 4: the big takeaway from the weekend for me.

1179
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: A couple guys, I'm kind of curious about that. I watched,

1180
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, I watched them actually play in games. Kind

1181
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: of want to see how they test a little bit.

1182
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: One Cam Scataboo at Arizona State, who was a little

1183
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: bit of a do everything and like in at least

1184
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: at ASU, he gave me as as they would say,

1185
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: it's giving Austin Eckler a little bit and I'm just

1186
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: sort of I'm sort of curious what his testing is

1187
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: going to be like because he did a little bit

1188
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: of everything for the Sun Devils in those couple of years,

1189
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: conluding that playoff, that insane playoff game where he was

1190
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: just gassed and like could not really have done anymore

1191
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: maybe accept the play linebacker or something for them, but

1192
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: did everything the other one and I don't know, he's

1193
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: not getting necessary a lot of buzz. But Nick Nash,

1194
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver from San Jose State, who I thought just

1195
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: proclaim end game. Was this a dude who just he

1196
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: was just making plays regardless. And I don't know if

1197
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: necessarily that's going to to translate well into testing or not,

1198
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: but I think he's a guy who at the next

1199
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: level could really turn himself into a nice piece in

1200
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: the right offense. Was a guy who was a quarterback

1201
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: coming in kind of a dual threat running quarterback, he

1202
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: trans transitioned into wide receiver and ended up having a

1203
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: really good career at San Jose State. So I'm very

1204
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: very curious about.

1205
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: I'm with you on scattered with it. I hope he

1206
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: balls out because in any other year we're talking about

1207
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: this guy being like an absolute mistackle force monster, but

1208
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: it just so happens that he is the guy who

1209
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: set the PFF misstackle force record.

1210
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, I think the running back class is

1211
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting, right because we know, as you mentioned

1212
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: John C's up top, Travon Henderson, Omari and Hampton, quitch

1213
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: On Judkins, Caleb Johnson, mean, we can just go deep,

1214
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: deep deep on names. R J.

1215
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: Harvey, Brashad Smith, there's so this this class. Like I'm

1216
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: really excited, honestly to see all of them perform, Like

1217
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: really gonna.

1218
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: Run a four to seven and we'll never see him again.

1219
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hey boy, I'm gonna say this. I'm looking around,

1220
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: make sure nobody pops out. Do running backs matter again? Oh?

1221
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 4: Boy?

1222
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: Do they do?

1223
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: Just won a Super Bowl?

1224
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: Yes, just go out there and get them.

1225
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 4: This is a good timing for class like this though,

1226
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: because a lot of the faces that the position are

1227
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: starting to age out, like Henry Mixing's kind of in

1228
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 4: that on his last legs type thing. Eckler you mentioned

1229
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 4: even twenty eight, like they're all closer to the cliff

1230
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 4: than further.

1231
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that now that I said that, somebody

1232
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: from PFF is going to be standing outside my front

1233
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: door when imagine can you imagine anyway anyway to combine though?

1234
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Things get going on Thursday in Indianapolis being a good

1235
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: company man. You can check it all out of course

1236
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: on NFL network. So tune in all weekend long Thursday

1237
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: through Monday for all the athletic testing. I'm sure there

1238
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: will be press conferences. Yeah, a lot of folks doing

1239
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: a lot of good work. Out there in Indy, so

1240
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: be sure to check that out. Matt, appreciate you hanging

1241
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: out with us. Man appreciate you coming by. Hopefully we'll

1242
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: catch up again soon. I know that, I know the

1243
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: company is sending you out into the wilderness, but you know,

1244
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: don't be a stranger. We would definitely love to have back on.

1245
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we'll do. Keep me posting will do indeed.

1246
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, for the rest of us, that will do it

1247
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy,

1248
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: safe and healthy, do good and live well. Enjoy Todays everybody.

1249
00:59:48,800 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: We will talk to you again on Thursday. Bob, don't help.

1250
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: Bob, don't help.