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Speaker 1: Never told you protection to I Heart Radio. So as

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Speaker 1: But we've been doing a lot of content around environmentalism

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Speaker 1: book clubs we just did on Leah Thomas's book, Um,

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Speaker 1: Intersectional Environmentalism, go check that out. It's just so important

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Speaker 1: while back on Gengari Muta maattai Um and all of

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Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never Told your production of I Heart Radio's

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Speaker 1: House Step Parts. It is the first female first. We

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Speaker 1: worker eavese Hi. Thanks so much for being here, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me again. We just had a rousing

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Speaker 1: much and very important to the discussions we're having now

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Speaker 1: Um And she did a lot of stuff that had

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Speaker 1: like quite a lot. And she definitely put her She

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Speaker 1: was somebody who put her body on the line. Say

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: she was a powerhouse and everything her obviously in her

436
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: work and her ethic and and just in her beliefs.

437
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: She was unmovable. The plant like a tree, yes, oh,

438
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: look at that. Actually don't work together. Civil war. There

439
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: we go. We got to America. Yeah, I'm actually surprised

440
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: there haven't been more tree puns, but I'm glad it's

441
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: not appropriate. You're saving them for the end, is what

442
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: you're really doing. And they're all in my keeping them

443
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: to myself for once. You're writing it for later writing

444
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: them down. So one of her biggest opponents, boy left

445
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: office in two thousand two, and that same year she

446
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: ran for parliament and was elected with a large majority

447
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: of the vote. Um the president and ended up appointing

448
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: her the Minister for Environment, Natural Resources in Wildlife and

449
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: she served in the government and in Parliament until two

450
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Speaker 1: thousand five. And this is um We're getting into the

451
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: later years of her life at this point, and she

452
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: was recognized for a lot of her work. She got

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Speaker 1: a lot of honorary degrees and awards, like too many

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Speaker 1: to mention here, um, but a ton of them. But

455
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Speaker 1: one of the big ones was the Nobel Peace Prize,

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Speaker 1: which she got into thousand four and she was the

457
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: first African woman to get the Nobel Peace Prize and

458
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: she got it for her contribution to sustainable development, democracy

459
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Speaker 1: and peace. So that's that's one of the awards that

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Speaker 1: she got. And in her acceptance speech, which, um, it's

461
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: really interesting. She noted how she was influenced by the

462
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: things that you know, as we were talking about earlier,

463
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: she observed when she was a child in Kenya. Um,

464
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: she saw for us being cleared and replaced by commercial plantations,

465
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Speaker 1: and she saw a local bio diversity being destroyed. And

466
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Speaker 1: she also said that when she started the green Belt movement,

467
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Speaker 1: she was really responding to the needs that rural women

468
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: were saying that they had, which were specifically the lack

469
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Speaker 1: of firewood, clean drinking water, balanced diets, shelter, and income.

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Speaker 1: And she also called out to the fact which is

471
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Speaker 1: how integral women were in the development of the work

472
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Speaker 1: that she wanted to do with the green Belt movement

473
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Speaker 1: and the work that she ended up doing with the movement,

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Speaker 1: and that be saying that because they were primary caretakers

475
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Speaker 1: throughout Africa there was responsible for taking care of the

476
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Speaker 1: land and for taking care of the family, that they

477
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Speaker 1: were often the first ones to become aware of any

478
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Speaker 1: environmental damage that was happening, even if they didn't recognize

479
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: how one thing was necessarily affecting the other in their

480
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: personal experience, right, Yeah, And she got yeah, so some

481
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: of the other awards that she got were the Goldman

482
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Speaker 1: Environmental Prize, the French Legion of Honor, Japan's Grand Cordon

483
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: of the Order of the Rising Sun. Um like i

484
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: said more honorary degrees. He also authored several books. One

485
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Speaker 1: of them was a memoir that was called Unbowed and

486
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: another book called a Challenge for Africa and other writings.

487
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Speaker 1: She was named a un Messenger of Peace in two

488
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Speaker 1: thousand nine, and the next year, in partnership with the

489
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Speaker 1: University of Narrobi, she found at the Wangari Matai Institute

490
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: for Peace and Environmental Studies. And yeah, so she just

491
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: continued help not only doing her own work and her

492
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: organization when it came to environmental causes, but also participating

493
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: in like teaching other people about those things and making

494
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Speaker 1: sure that other people learned about environmental issues when it

495
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: came to academics, but just general you know, environmental education

496
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: for people. Um so, you know, spreading all of that

497
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: knowledge around the world. And in two thousand eleven she

498
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and she ended up dying

499
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: that year from complications of the cancer. Yeah, but her

500
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: legacy that was what you know, only so long ago.

501
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: But you know, her legacy is clearly still a parent

502
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: in the world and a parent in Kenya, and she's

503
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: well remembered and fortunately was able to be recognized during

504
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: her lifetime. Yeah, And I think one of my favorite

505
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: things about her and the things that she did is

506
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: there is this awareness of taking care of the future,

507
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: of looking out for future generations. That she started all

508
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: of these things and spread her knowledge to make sure

509
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: that things would continue once she was no longer around.

510
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: And I actually think that's one of the biggest problems

511
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: with humanity is and when it comes to sustainability, is

512
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: we're really bad about doing that. We're really bad about

513
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: thinking about future generations because right now this is the

514
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: easy thing to do, to continue as we are. But

515
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: she made sure that she's left behind these things so

516
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: that hopefully we could continue the work that she was doing.

517
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Right it seems her whole ideas were an idea of

518
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: the big picture. She didn't see as a one little thing.

519
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: It was we're planting trees. As we're planting trees, but

520
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: with these things in mind, whether it's to provide economic

521
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: stability for a group of women, a group of people

522
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: who need that assistance right now, but we'll do it

523
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: through this avenue. She had this very thoughtful consciousness of

524
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: how to get things done in a multifacet way, which

525
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: is phenomenal, especially when you think of how little that

526
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: happens today. There's no real conversation of what can we

527
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: do and put it together as a blanket, not necessarily

528
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: a blanket, but at least an overhaul of the whole system.

529
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: And that's what she did, which all on her own,

530
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: which is phenomenal, especially with all of the pushback and seeing, okay,

531
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: you go, you aren't seeing the bigger picture. You're just

532
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: angry because I'm making a difference and it could be

533
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: taken away from you, whether it's money or your fame

534
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: or your credibility. But this is what it has to

535
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: be done. That's phenomenal. It's a whole different level of

536
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: thoughtfulness and a whole different level of understanding the need

537
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: for sustainability and the needs to for growth and the

538
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: need to continue beyond. Yeah. And I think that to

539
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: the interesting point about what she said of her being

540
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: having this kind of multifascinating way in which she worked,

541
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: is that her vision was also very singular um and

542
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: focused and like she was like, I have a goal, Um,

543
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: I know how I can get the thing done, and

544
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: we're going to get it done end. We're going to

545
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: get it done together. And just the way in which

546
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: she empowered so many people, not in not from a

547
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: position of like I have the things, and I have

548
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: the knowledge, and I have the education. I was fortunate

549
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: enough to go to you know, us to study, you know,

550
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: under this scholarship that was funded by the government or

551
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: anything like that. It was just kind of like, I'm

552
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: not giving these people these things, these opportunities because I'm

553
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: able to do that because she isn't. She is using

554
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: her position of power, obviously, But it was in such

555
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: a way that was community lad you know, it was

556
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: in such a way that was about the way that

557
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: people were together and just it being so inspiring the

558
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: fact that she realized how important it was to incorporate

559
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: all these other things when it came to the leadership

560
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: development and stuff like that, where this wasn't just about

561
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: a person here, They're getting this many Kenyan Sinse too.

562
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, grow a tree. It was about growing tree

563
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: these and creating a better environment and creating a better world,

564
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: and within that, creating better communities that were able to

565
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: thrive and not just survive, and that were connected and

566
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: that were you know, uh, future focus, but also present focus,

567
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: where in a way they were like, this is my

568
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: community that I have now, and I'm working together with

569
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: them to really in this embodied way where my hands

570
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: are on the soil and I'm really contributing to the

571
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: future of my community. But also I'm thinking about our

572
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: children that are here right now. What kind of food

573
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: am I feeding them? What do our traditional diets look like?

574
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: But also their future, like what will the land look

575
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: like to them? Will they be able to respect their land?

576
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: The children are learning to respect the land at the

577
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: same time. Um, it's I just think, Yeah, everything that

578
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: she was doing was so important, but I'm just still

579
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: struck by how many different things but still how tight

580
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: like her vision was right and that's it was very coesive,

581
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: we very coesive. Yeah, And that's an amazing balancing act

582
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: to pull up of. Yeah, we need to think about

583
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: the future generations, but we also have to think about

584
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: the president. Like to be able to do both, I

585
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: mean that's amazing. Yeah, And I also really find so

586
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: many of these women need bring to us ease. I

587
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: find it so impressive that we know as women, at

588
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: least I can speak from my own I always have

589
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: all these doubts. I have all these doubts, and a

590
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of times it keeps me from even putting myself

591
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: forward for things. And that's we know, that's why a

592
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of women don't run for office. And it's not

593
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: to say that the women you've brought to us don't

594
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: have doubts, but they just were like, somebody needs to

595
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: do this. I can do it. I'm going to step up. Well.

596
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have talked about the times

597
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: that we get criticisms and that kind of sometimes shots

598
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: me down. I can't imagine the level of lies and

599
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: criticisms that were thrown at her purposely by the most

600
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: powerful man in that country, in that nation, at that point.

601
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean I could not. I don't know. I don't

602
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: know how it would fathom or even feel under pressure,

603
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: but to continue forth and still keep fighting, and still

604
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: keep fighting, still being told you know, you are whatever

605
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: damaging by those who have the loudest voices, But knowing

606
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: that she can make a difference than what she's doing

607
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: is like, right, it's amazing, and it's to look back

608
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: on it now you're like, oh, wow, that's encouraging. But

609
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: to be in the middle of that, I don't know,

610
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, the fear of failing is

611
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: already there. But being told you're ruining something or you're

612
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: being your disaster to something. What a way to have

613
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to fight against that? How do you do that? And

614
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: how was she able to do that? And she did though,

615
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: and finally got what she deserved all the accolades as

616
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: she did earn. But man, that road to get there, right,

617
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: it had to be a long, long, very loud. Yeah. Um,

618
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: it's impressive and inspiring in a good way to start

619
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: the year. The female first, Um, is there anything else

620
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: you want to have you? I don't think so. I

621
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: would highly recommend The interview on on being is very beautiful. Yeah,

622
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: and just anything where she's speaking, Yes, highly recommend if

623
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: you're looking for some some inspiration and like a newfound

624
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: appreciation of trees. Oh my gosh. Right, we are also

625
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: in a city of trees, so we are. It's a

626
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: big if. Speaking of things being topical. Uh, that is

627
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation in Atlanta where we are right now,

628
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: which is that we've historically been called the city of

629
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: like the city in the forest, and we are known

630
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: for having a ton of trees, which we're not the

631
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: biggest metropolis like in the United States and definitely not

632
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: in the world, but for being a city of our

633
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: hallis in the stature. We like have a lot of

634
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: forest and a lot of tree canopy here, but a

635
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: lot of that is also being raised for private development

636
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: and gentrification, which are huge things that are happening right

637
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: now in Atlanta. So on a micro level, from this

638
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: macro conversation we're having, all of her work is very

639
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: relevant to things that are happening here in metro Atlanta. Absolutely. Uh,

640
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite parts about Atlanta. So we

641
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: will continue to see where that goes. We have some

642
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: more to talk about, but first we have one more

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Speaker 1: much Eaves for for coming on as always, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me. Where can the listeners find you on

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