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Speaker 1: How many of you find that the holidays bring up

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Speaker 1: a mix of emotions. For many people, the holiday season

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Speaker 1: can be a time of connection and celebration, but it

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Speaker 1: can also quietly amplify grief memories and the absence of

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Speaker 1: someone we deeply love. When celebration is everywhere and absence

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Speaker 1: seems louder, lost can feel more present. Grief is something

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Speaker 1: every single one of us will face, yet most of

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Speaker 1: us are never taught how to live it, especially during

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Speaker 1: moments when closeness, tradition, and joy are emphasized. Research shows

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Speaker 1: that nearly one in three adults struggle with prolonged grief

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Speaker 1: after the loss of a loved one, and during the holidays,

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Speaker 1: that weight can feel even heavier. What's often misunderstood is

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Speaker 1: that grief isn't about getting over someone, It's about learning

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Speaker 1: how to carry that love forward in a new way.

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Speaker 1: In this video, you'll hear stories of loss and resilience

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Speaker 1: from guests I'm truly grateful to have spoken with on

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Speaker 1: on purpose. Their experiences remind us that grief can feel isolating,

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Speaker 1: but hearing how others live it can help us feel

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Speaker 1: understood and less alone. During this season.

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Speaker 2: The number one health and wellness podcast Jay Said Jay Sheidy.

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Speaker 1: When Kate Cassidy lost her boyfriend Liam Payne in a

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Speaker 1: tragic accident, her entire world changed overnight. She shares that

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, everything felt numb, like she was floating

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Speaker 1: outside of herself, and what surprised her was that the

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Speaker 1: healing didn't come from big moments, but from the small,

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Speaker 1: everyday rituals, listening to songs they loved, talking about him

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Speaker 1: with friends, even noticing little signs that reminded her of Liam.

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Speaker 1: Psychologists say that grief often comes in waves, sometimes gentle,

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Speaker 1: sometimes overwhelming, but over time, each wave teaches us how

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Speaker 1: to carry the weight a little differently. Let's have a listen.

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Speaker 1: I think so many people listening or watching whether they've

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Speaker 1: lost someone close to them more. I think people struggle

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Speaker 1: to know what to say, People struggle to know what

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Speaker 1: to do themselves when they've lost someone. What worked for you?

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Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, you need

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Speaker 3: to listen and trust your heart, because grief comes in

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Speaker 3: so many waves, so many different emotions. You're gonna wake up,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna feel numb. You're gonna wake up, you're going

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Speaker 3: to feel sad, You're going to feel angry, you're going

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Speaker 3: to feel one day, you're going to wake up and

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Speaker 3: you're gonna laugh, and you're going to just think of

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Speaker 3: good moments you had, and then you're going to find

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Speaker 3: yourself just this laugh turning into this hysterical cry. And

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Speaker 3: I think that grief is something that you never know

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Speaker 3: what to expect, and it hits everybody so differently. So

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Speaker 3: I think the best, you know, some advice that I

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Speaker 3: would give, just some general advice, would be to always

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Speaker 3: trust your gut. Some things for me might not work

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Speaker 3: for other people. I think keeping a consistent, of course,

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Speaker 3: schedule routine. And I'm not saying waking up in the

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Speaker 3: morning from nine am, having a strategic plan throughout the day,

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Speaker 3: and then not getting home until eight pm, of course not.

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Speaker 3: Your mind needs time to rest, think and heal. But

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Speaker 3: even just if you take one activity per day, it

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Speaker 3: could just be walking, baking, going to the gym, going

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Speaker 3: to applies class, just any type of small thing, it

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Speaker 4: Much with your head's face.

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Speaker 3: But I think for me, one thing that really has

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Speaker 3: full of light and love is seeing signs.

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Speaker 4: And I see.

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Speaker 3: So many signs of Lim and I'm such a believer

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Speaker 3: in signs. I believe in manifesting, and I know that

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Speaker 3: And I remember at first when he passed away, I

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Speaker 3: And I know that's not a long amount of time,

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Speaker 3: you know, five years. So I remember getting kind of

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Speaker 3: And I was crying and I was just saying, I'm

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Speaker 3: so disappointed I love you so much, but I need

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Speaker 3: And I remember I went back downstairs, and it's just

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Speaker 3: it was such a simple thing. But my friends asked me,

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Speaker 3: we loved McDonald's. It was something that we would probably

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Speaker 4: The Happy Meals toy.

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Speaker 3: And I said to my friends, you know what, get

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Speaker 4: And I remember when they gave it to me.

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Speaker 3: I was I was annoyed because I was like, this

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Speaker 3: I was just my head was everywhere, just even thinking

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Speaker 3: So then I opened the lid to try to eat

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Speaker 3: the back of it it said the answers in small

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Speaker 3: to see if you won the puzzle. And our angel

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Speaker 3: numbers have always been for any sequence of four, and

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Speaker 3: the answers on the back of it were four four four,

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Speaker 3: And that was immediately the first sign I got from Liam.

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Speaker 3: And the number four symbolizes guidance and support from your angels.

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Speaker 3: And this has been such a big part of our relationship.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had the number four initialed on his finger.

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Speaker 3: I ended up getting it after he passed away, and

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Speaker 3: I think that for such a big part of our

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Speaker 3: every single letter he's written me, he has ended it

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Speaker 3: with your four four four.

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Speaker 4: It's just it was always our thing.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that I got these this happy meal

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Speaker 3: toy and the answer said four for four, that was

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Speaker 3: Liam listening to me, and he was giving me a

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Speaker 3: sign saying I know I am here, I am here,

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Speaker 3: You're not alone like I am here, and it made

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Speaker 3: me feel so just my I just lit up. I remember,

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like you've seen so many other signs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, and I see so many signs. And

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Speaker 3: I came to La obviously to be here. I came

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Speaker 3: I've only been with Liam. We've went a handful of

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Speaker 3: when I landed in La, I felt like part of

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of Liam. But being in this.

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Speaker 3: We were in an uber and everywhere we were just

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Speaker 3: seeing fours everywhere on license plates, we were seeing it

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Speaker 3: on billboards, phone numbers, like on billboard everywhere, just the

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Speaker 3: the exact same wallpaper as me and Liam's bathroom wallpaper

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Speaker 4: And then we leave the basketball game.

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Speaker 3: At this point, it's kind of late and we just

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Speaker 3: We walk into the restaurant and the song that's playing

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Speaker 3: as we're walking in is night changes by one direction.

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Speaker 3: And the first place my eyes go to is the

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Speaker 3: the screen. They were playing the music video and it

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Speaker 3: being here in la And I just knew Liam was

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Speaker 3: with me that night, and Liam was there at that

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Speaker 3: basketball game with us. Liam was there that night eating

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had the pleasure of interviewing Laurea Lyn Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who wrote the book Signs. Yeah, and I loved that book.

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Speaker 1: For anyone who loves learning about signs, loves knowing about signs,

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Speaker 1: that that book is speaking so closely to. I don't

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Speaker 5: I was going to do both and move through life

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00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 5: with the shock and the trauma and the stress and

438
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 5: the beauty of her life, the beauty of how she lived,

439
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 5: the energy of what she gave. So I was I

440
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 5: was moving with all energies. And it was only until

441
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 5: I shifted because I was definitely in that, but this happened.

442
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 5: So I don't know how I could ever smile again.

443
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 5: But this happened, and it was so tragic. And then

444
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: as soon as I said, this happened and it's tragic,

445
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 5: and I'm going to think positively, I'm going to think constructively.

446
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 6: You know, my dad always used to say.

447
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 5: To me, girl, keep your mind right, keep your mind right,

448
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 5: crucify your mind.

449
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 6: Every day. You got to keep your mind right.

450
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 5: And so that really helped me, you know, And that

451
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 5: my friend TD Jake's had called me and he said,

452
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 5: I understand you're angry. Of course, it's normal to be

453
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 5: angry and all the things you're feeling. But I have

454
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 5: a question for you. Do you want your focus to

455
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: be on her last five minutes or are you going

456
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: to focus on the eighty one years that she lived?

457
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 5: And it's your choice, and you have to choose every

458
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 5: day which one are you going to focus on? You're

459
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 5: going to give him five minutes, the five minutes and

460
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 5: the trauma, or are you going to focus on the

461
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 5: eighty one years? And I remember it through all my

462
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 5: tears on eighty one.

463
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 6: Years, eighty one years, and.

464
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Speaker 5: It was but it was beautiful because he helped me

465
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 5: shift and I had to go to that every day.

466
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 5: It wasn't like he'd said it one day and then,

467
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: but every day and every time it was very challenging

468
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 5: for me, Jay, and every time I did want to quit.

469
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: And there were days where I didn't stop all the time.

470
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: But you know, sometimes you have to push pause in life.

471
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: And there were days where I would lay in the

472
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Speaker 5: bed and just lay there and be still and think

473
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: or not think, and just lay there and I but

474
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Speaker 5: I still decided to focus on her eighty one years

475
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 5: and to focus on what I loved about her, and

476
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: to focus on her contributions to life and society and

477
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 5: other people and how she made people feel so powerful.

478
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Speaker 1: That shift for me was, you know, I was like

479
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: that I can. That's something I'd like to remind myself

480
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: every day with the people that I've lost. Like that,

481
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: that really felt like a real gift, that gem of

482
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: advice and insight. Thank you. Nicole teaches us that grief

483
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: is the proof that you love deeply, and that forgiveness

484
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: isn't about denying what happened. It's about refusing to let

485
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: tragedy hard in your heart. It's about finding a way

486
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: to keep love at the center of your healing and

487
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: choosing to cherish the positive. When our next guest, Current

488
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: jaw Her, learned that his father was diagnosed with cancer,

489
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: he suddenly realized how much had been left unsaid between them.

490
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: They began having conversations about life, death, and love, connections

491
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: they had never dared to have before. So many people

492
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: who lose a li loved one report wishing for just

493
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: one more conversation, one more beat, to tell them something

494
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: important before it's too late. And while we can't always

495
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: control when goodbyes come, current story is a reminder of

496
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: the healing that comes from honesty and why we shouldn't

497
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: wait to say what matters most.

498
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: Can your light stop? No, you have to move on.

499
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Speaker 7: Nothing is worse than losing a loved one, but you

500
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 7: eventually have to come to terms of the fact that

501
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 7: it's happened. That's why there's a full stop, because the

502
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 7: next sentence has to begin, so its only can start

503
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 7: when that full stop is registered, and then you move on.

504
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 7: I look at life like that, whatever goes wrong is

505
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 7: going to go wrong. Nothing is going to be constantly happy,

506
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 7: nothing is going to be constantly sad. It's the way

507
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 7: you have to kind of just understand life. And maybe

508
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 7: because as a child I had such a rough batch,

509
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 7: I think I kind of armored myself for me to

510
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 7: feel the way I do today about anything.

511
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Speaker 1: Who have you lost? That that full stop was.

512
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Speaker 7: Hard to my father. He passed away much earlier than

513
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 7: I ever imagined. When he was in his early seventies

514
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 7: and very healthy, on his feet, active man, no vices.

515
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 7: He just one day had a fourth stage tumor in

516
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 7: his usophagus, which we found out much later when it

517
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 7: was in his fourth stage, and that went into full

518
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 7: blown cancer and he passed from the time of the

519
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 7: diagnosis to the point of him passing away with ten months.

520
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 7: I'm a realist. I'm not an optimist or a pessimist.

521
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 7: I'm a realist. So I went to the oncologist in

522
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 7: and we were surprisingly filming Kalhonah, which.

523
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Is about a man dying, and it is about a

524
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: man dying.

525
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Speaker 7: We were in New York, and I went to my

526
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 7: ecologist and said, look, my father, you know, and like,

527
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 7: tell me, give me the hard fact. And he said, look,

528
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 7: it doesn't look good. And I was like, okay, now

529
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 7: I know this. That I know it doesn't look good,

530
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 7: and we'll do everything in our capacity medically to kind

531
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 7: of you know, But I said, I don't want to

532
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 7: see him in pain. Actually, oddly, the five days that

533
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 7: he had a tough time for the five days of

534
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 7: his chemotherapy, those were the tough days of the subsequent

535
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 7: days to the chemotherapy. But actually those ten other months,

536
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 7: besides those five days, it gave me so much time

537
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 7: that I could spend with him, that I had conversations

538
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 7: I never thought I would be, discussed my childhood. We

539
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 7: discussed his early years. We discussed his achievements, his failures,

540
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 7: his regrets, his joys. I have complete closure with my

541
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 7: relationship with my father because I have no unanswered questions

542
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 7: because in those ten months I wasn't running around like

543
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 7: a headless chicken trying to keep him alive. I had

544
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 7: accepted that he may go, and in those months I

545
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 7: lived in the moment with him, and I was able

546
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 7: to have all those conversations that I would have loved

547
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 7: to have had with him earlier but I didn't. But

548
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: love those ten months gave me that. And I even

549
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 7: told my mom I was like, talk to him, speak

550
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: to him, but she was finding very tough to accept

551
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 7: the situation, so she couldn't and that's why she still

552
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 7: doesn't have closure. Twenty years have passed since he passed

553
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 7: away and she still has not been able to deal

554
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 7: with his passing away. And she's eighty two years old today,

555
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 7: Whereas I actually have complete closure because I had every

556
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 7: conversation I could have dreamt of having with a parent,

557
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 7: I did. And that's why I always tell people like,

558
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 7: communicate today because they may not be here tomorrow. Tell

559
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 7: them today anything you have a problem, you have resentment issues,

560
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 7: you have parental trauma, You've got to speak today because

561
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 7: today communication is the result, is the aid is you're

562
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 7: looking for is the solution to every problem. And we

563
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: don't talk specifically. I think in our parenting structure in India,

564
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 7: we have respect and respect sometimes equals distance, you know,

565
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 7: and that respect should not give you distance in a relationship.

566
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 7: Respect should also be a close component of love. It

567
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 7: should actually give you the ability to communicate to your parent.

568
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 7: Just because you respect your father and mother doesn't mean

569
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 7: you answer what you want. Parents are not always correct.

570
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 7: It's not that they are saying the right thing to

571
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 7: you all the time. They are carrying the baggage of

572
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 7: their parents, and they put that baggage onto you and

573
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: you may not need it or you shouldn't have it,

574
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 7: and you have to kind of have an open line

575
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 7: of channel and you.

576
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: Can still be respectful.

577
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 7: Never not be respectful, because that's something that our tradition

578
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 7: teaches us, our culture teaches us.

579
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: But please, I always tell.

580
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 7: People keep an open channel of communication with your parent

581
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 7: because they may not always be correct, They may not

582
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 7: always be right, They may not be right. Advice or

583
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 7: value system may not be good for you, and you

584
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 7: have to sometimes question it.

585
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, was there a specific question you asked

586
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: or a conversation you remember fondly from that time? As

587
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: you said, you had every conversation you asked every question,

588
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Is there one that stands out?

589
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 7: I asked him whether he has any regrets, you know,

590
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 7: and he spoke to me widely about like his relationship

591
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 7: with his parents and his siblings. You know, what he

592
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 7: thought he did wrong as even career wise, and how

593
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 7: he thought he was taken for a ride, but he

594
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 7: didn't act on it at the right time. We lost

595
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 7: a lot of money because some of his indiscretions. And

596
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 7: you know, he spoke about that openly. He also spoke

597
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 7: about the fact that like sometimes he has things he

598
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 7: wants to tell my mom, but he doesn't say it

599
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 7: because he doesn't want to hurt or upset her, and

600
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 7: he says, I wish I had. Then he tells me,

601
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 7: he told me, like, you know, I wish I would

602
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 7: have spent more time with you. He would have been

603
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 7: I wish I didn't incorporated sport in your life. It

604
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 7: would have given you a sense of much more like,

605
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 7: because I believe sport is not just for physical health,

606
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 7: it's also gives you It rains your mind very differently.

607
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 7: And he said I didn't spend enough active time with

608
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 7: you because I was so busy working. So he told

609
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 7: me a lot about his regrets and his thoughts at

610
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 7: that time, and I think it really helped him as well.

611
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 7: I think it kind of gave him so much closure.

612
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 7: And I think those conversations are very dear to me.

613
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 7: And then he wrote an eleven page letter to me,

614
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 7: which I didn't know existed, was given to met him

615
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 7: passing away, where he wrote also business or the accounts,

616
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 7: and it was a technical letter of everything about like

617
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 7: this is the account, these are the these are my

618
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 7: like the businesses that we've this, you don't.

619
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Know money to anyone. It's all done.

620
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 7: This is where the bank account cetera, detailed mutual deposits

621
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 7: funds like whatever the investments were at that time. He

622
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 7: gave me like a handwritten, handwritten it was written by

623
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 7: him in hand and then he wrote people you can trust, people,

624
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 7: you can't trust. Things you should never do like he

625
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 7: just it became my bible and I'm literally I think

626
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 7: ninety percent of it is what I followed.

627
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: And he wrote me eleven page letter.

628
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: Had he ever written your letter before?

629
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Never? He knew he was going. Yeah, So he wrote

630
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: me that and it wasn't an emotional letter.

631
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 7: It was a practical, thoughtful, business minded, future based letter.

632
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: It's all about me, how.

633
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 7: To manage the funds, what we have, what we don't have,

634
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 7: Who owes him money? And he said, but never ask

635
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 7: them till they come to you, because you know, it

636
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 7: was all given in good face. And he said, we

637
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 7: don't know anyone, and so if anyone comes and asks,

638
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 7: it's not true. And he gave me every single detail

639
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 7: that me, who was not business minded, had zero business

640
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 7: acumen needed. That eleventh pager that I followed as my

641
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 7: bible to kind of.

642
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Fought forward at that time.

643
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Wow, what a beautiful gift to leave someone's That's so powerful.

644
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I've never heard that before. I've never heard someone leaving

645
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: their child a practical, thoughtful I mean, the idea of

646
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: who to trust and who not to trust.

647
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 7: He never wrote anything that I love you, I will

648
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 7: all lose that was said already. It was none of that.

649
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 7: It was not a hallmark letter, you know. It was

650
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 7: a business letter.

651
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Thank you for sharing that. Current's reflections remind

652
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: us that grief isn't just about mourning what we lose.

653
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: It's also about cherishing the moments we still have. The

654
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: best time to say what you feel is always now.

655
00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Don't wait until tomorrow to express what matters today. Grief

656
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: isn't only about who we lose, but also what we lose,

657
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: a pet, a pregnancy, a future. For Taylor here it

658
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: came in many forms, the heartbreak of miscarriage and the

659
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: loss of her beloved dog. Take These kinds of losses

660
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: are often minimized or dismissed, even though between ten and

661
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: twenty percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many women

662
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: report that their grief is not validated or supported by others.

663
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Taylor speaks candidly about how isolating these losses can feel,

664
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: but also about the importance of allowing yourself to mourn

665
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: them fully no matter what anyone else says. Let's take

666
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: a look. I was saying to you that I've had

667
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: multiple friends in the last two to three years who've

668
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: all experienced a miscarriage, and I talk to them and

669
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: I'll hear from them, and I see so much just stress,

670
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: overwhelmed pressure, self degradation, like you know, just negative self

671
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: talk like there's it's it's one of the hardest things

672
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: to go through. Even if everyone goes through as you saw,

673
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: not everyone, but so many people go through it, it

674
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: doesn't make it any easier. And often, actually, like you said,

675
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: it makes you so lonely that you don't want to

676
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: talk to anyone about it. Yeah, and it's it's not

677
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: comforting to know other people have gone through it. And

678
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: I wonder in that lonely phase, like what was it

679
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: that did help you? And even when your friend went

680
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: through it, what allowed you to be there for each

681
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: other in a way that was comforting and helpful rather

682
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: than felt uncomfortable and unhealthy.

683
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 8: I need to alone. I need to like I needed

684
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 8: to feel it. I needed to sit in it. I

685
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 8: didn't want to talk about it because I didn't want

686
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 8: people want to be there for you, and that's really

687
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 8: special and that's really helpful, but I didn't want people

688
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 8: to be there.

689
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: For me yet.

690
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 8: I wasn't ready for people to be like, oh, I'm

691
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 8: so sorry, or you know, because people don't know what

692
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 8: to say sometimes when it comes to grief or loss.

693
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 8: Sometimes I don't know what to say either. I have

694
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 8: no idea on how to react to some things, still

695
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 8: having experienced my own version of grief. How do you

696
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 8: be there for somebody? It's a difficult thing. I mean,

697
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 8: I didn't know how I needed well, I didn't know

698
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 8: what I needed from people. I didn't want to talk

699
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 8: about it. I wanted to be alone. I didn't want

700
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 8: anyone to know because I didn't want people to talk

701
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 8: to me about it or say things to me because

702
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 8: I just wasn't ready to hear it yet. And the

703
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 8: way that I think I told people that were really

704
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 8: really close to me. Really my husband obviously knew because

705
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 8: it happened to him too, and two best friends knew

706
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 8: and the way that I feel like they were there

707
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 8: for me because they didn't know what to say. They

708
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 8: didn't say anything. They were there for me physically. They

709
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 8: held me, they let me cry. I just sat there

710
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 8: and I cried and said nothing and they just held

711
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 8: my hand and were like just sat there with me

712
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 8: and like let me cry. They didn't ask me questions.

713
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 8: They didn't ask me how I felt. They didn't ask

714
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 8: they didn't say anything to me, like, they didn't say

715
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 8: everything happens for a reason, don't worry like you'll feel

716
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 8: one day, da da da. They didn't go into that.

717
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 8: I think because they know me so well, they probably

718
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 8: knew that I didn't want to hear that. Yet they

719
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 8: just were there and they listened when I was ready

720
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 8: to talk, and then because I wasn't ready, they just

721
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 8: let me emote and they just let me cry and

722
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 8: they cried, and I could tell because I was hurt,

723
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 8: they were hurt. You know. When I finally got to

724
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 8: my husband and we were together, he just held me.

725
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 8: We both cried and he just held me, and you know,

726
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 8: I held him too, Because I think that's another thing,

727
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 8: is another layer on top of it is even though

728
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 8: it physically happened to me, and emotionally it was something

729
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 8: that I experienced. It was it was an individual experience

730
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 8: to myself. Emotionally, it's something that it's a loss. They

731
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 8: happened to him as well. He also thought potentially he

732
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 8: would be having a child. So we were both grieving something.

733
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 8: We were both grieving the loss of this. We were

734
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 8: both feeling this weird sense of relief at the same

735
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 8: time and then immediately guilty because we felt relief, and

736
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 8: then immediately anger because we felt guilt. And you know

737
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 8: what I mean, It's just it's relentless, these emotions. When

738
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 8: it's fresh, you know that you feel literally every single

739
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 8: one that's on the rainbow. Of all the colors we felt,

740
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 8: we felt all of them. And I think when it

741
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 8: was the very beginning, I think for me it was

742
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 8: just holding the people holding me, you know, being in

743
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 8: just being in the space with me. They didn't have

744
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 8: to say anything if they didn't know what to say,

745
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 8: you know, And when we did sort of start talking

746
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 8: about it, we first started saying this, I can't believe

747
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 8: this is happening.

748
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 6: You know.

749
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 8: It was if I was feeling angry, then they would

750
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 8: be angry with me if I was that. If I

751
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 8: was sad, then they were sad with me. So it

752
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 8: was amazing. They were amazing at being there for me

753
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 8: in those ways. And you know, I think it is

754
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 8: difficult to know what to say and how to be

755
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 8: there for someone, but I think following them and how

756
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 8: they're reacting is also really good. Like taking the cue

757
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 8: from how they're responding is a good way to respond

758
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 8: back to someone. And you know, checking in. You know,

759
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 8: my friends that knew checked in with me, how are

760
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 8: you feeling today? You know, And then if I didn't

761
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 8: want to talk about they were like, okay, let me

762
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 8: know when you are ready, you know, so just you know,

763
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 8: they were checking in, you know, making sure. And then

764
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 8: you know, my best friend, she who she experienced us

765
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 8: as well, she continues to check in with me. You know,

766
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 8: this is three years later and we still talk about it.

767
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, Like, can you believe it? You would

768
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 8: have a three year old. I'm like, I know, And

769
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 8: it's just we we get to have these moments together

770
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 8: of we would both have a three year old right now.

771
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 8: That's and we think about that and we deal with that.

772
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 8: We grieve them, We grieve the loss of that potential

773
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 8: and that direction and life, you know, that thread that

774
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 8: didn't happen in this path. So female friendships are incredible

775
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 8: and they're beautiful, and I think it's really important for

776
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 8: women to have women in their life that they can

777
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 8: they can go to and they can talk to you

778
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 8: about these things because we can relate to each other

779
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 8: in other ways that I think, you know, I couldn't

780
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 8: get from my husband, and being able to go to

781
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: her was so special and really helpful. So I just

782
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 8: I think also have patience with yourself, and if you

783
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 8: know someone who's going through that, have patience with them

784
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 8: because it's a rollercoaster. And you know, she was my friend.

785
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 8: She was going through this too, and I was feeling

786
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 8: emotions and I was feeling heartbroken because I know because

787
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: she was heartbroken, so I was feeling emotions as well.

788
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 8: And I just have to be patient because it's happening

789
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 8: to her, so at her pace, at her time, when

790
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 8: she's ready, when she wants to hear, when she wants

791
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 8: to talk about it, we can and we both kind

792
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 8: of just we both shared that understanding with each other.

793
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the grief of losing a friend, because

794
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: that's really what they say is a really dear friend,

795
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: walk me through those nine years and the amazing relationship

796
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: you built with Tate.

797
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, Tate, Oh my angel. I got Tate when I

798
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 8: was eighteen, so it was really kind of in the

799
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 8: mix of all this my life changing.

800
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: You know.

801
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: I booked the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show not very long

802
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 8: after I I Tate came into my life and we

803
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 8: went we walked through life together for nine years and

804
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 8: he was my best friend, and oh gosh, it's so

805
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 8: hard to put it into words because it's it's so

806
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 8: it's such a unique thing to have a deep relationship

807
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 8: with an animal, and it sounds I hope it don't

808
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 8: sound crazy, you know, I gonna sound a little crazy,

809
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 8: but like, I just feel like the love that you know,

810
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 8: dogs and animals in general have for humans is so unconditional,

811
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 8: you know, and they have no judgment. They don't want

812
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 8: anything from you but your love back, and it's so

813
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 8: pure and it's so innocent. It's almost childlike in a way,

814
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 8: you know, when I I can only imagine, you know,

815
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 8: when you hold a newborn baby for the first time,

816
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 8: that immediate connection that you feel to this thing that

817
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 8: I can't even talk yet and is just a part

818
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 8: of you. It's really special to have such a deep

819
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 8: connection to something that literally wants nothing from you except

820
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 8: for also the like unconditional love. So to have Tate

821
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 8: come into my life at that time was so special,

822
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 8: just because so much was changing. You know, I was

823
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 8: growing up. I was, you know, becoming a young woman

824
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 8: from a girl to a woman, and he was there

825
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 8: for that. And you know, I was traveling all the time,

826
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 8: and I was away from family, and I just had

827
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 8: this little, tiny, innocent soul with me that just always

828
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 8: looked at me like you're the best, and I love you.

829
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 8: And Tate taught me so much. I mean, he taught me,

830
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 8: you know, responsibility, caring for something other than myself, you know,

831
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 8: taking care of him, you know, pouring love into him

832
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 8: and making sure that he was good and you know,

833
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 8: even well behaved, and training him and doing all those

834
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 8: things is showing at him an act of love and

835
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 8: making sure that he's a confident, comfortable dog he could

836
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 8: be in any scenario. And he was the best boy.

837
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 8: And I think he also kind of knew that I

838
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 8: was just kind of out there winging.

839
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: It a bit.

840
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 8: He was like, oh God, this girl this girl has

841
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 8: no idea what she's doing. So I'm gonna have to

842
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 8: be a good boy now. And he just I really

843
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 8: sometimes feel like he did teach himself how to just

844
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 8: be everywhere with me all the time. And I think

845
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 8: that he was meant for me, and he was meant

846
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 8: to be in my life, and I think that we

847
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 8: were sort of made for each other and we belonged

848
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 8: to each other. And you know, he was he was

849
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 8: so it sounds crazy to say this about a dog,

850
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 8: but he was so emotional, Like his eyes were so human,

851
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 8: and he could look at me and I knew what

852
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 8: he was saying or what he was thinking, or I

853
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 8: felt that he could feel what I was thinking or

854
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 8: what I was feeling. And I definitely think that he

855
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 8: also taught me a lot about you know, emotion and

856
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 8: you know.

857
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Being.

858
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: You know what's that saying? You know, be the person

859
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 8: your dog thinks you are. They think you're great. You know,

860
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 8: they're like, I love you no matter what. Yes, mom, Yes,

861
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 8: So that's the energy they give you, right, It's like, oh,

862
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 8: you're the best, and it's just like, am I the best?

863
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 8: But to how something? You know, this little creature just

864
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 8: look at you and think you're the best. It kind

865
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 8: of makes you want to be the best, right, you know,

866
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 8: constantly trying to grow and be better and change. And

867
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 8: you know, nobody's perfect and no one will ever be perfect,

868
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 8: and we're always learning and we're always growing and we're

869
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 8: always changing. But having something to do that for and

870
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 8: having someone to do that with is is really is

871
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 8: It's different, you know, like it's more intentional, right, So

872
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 8: trying to be better because Tate thinks I'm the best

873
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 8: is a different motivation. So he definitely was there for

874
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 8: me through, you know, so much of my life and

875
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 8: so much of my life changing. I think from you know,

876
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 8: eighteen to twenty seven are pretty formative years, don't. I'm

877
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 8: not a doctor, but someone told me once that your

878
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 8: brain stops developing at twenty five or something. So you know,

879
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 8: he was there. Oh sorry, I hit the mic a

880
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 8: top with my hands. He was there.

881
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: He was there.

882
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 8: From when I had an undeveloped brain to a developed brain.

883
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 8: You know, he kind of just saw me through and

884
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 8: he was he was just the best. I mean, the

885
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 8: love of my life, I mean, my soulmate really, because

886
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 8: he just knew, you know, and I've never had a

887
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 8: connection with any anyone like that that I've had with Tate.

888
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 8: So I'm just I'm really grateful that he was in

889
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 8: my life. He's the inspiration behind me even wanting to

890
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 8: start a pet company, just because I love him so much.

891
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 8: And I know other people have felt that before, people

892
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 8: who've had, you know, what I like to call a

893
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 8: soul dog, they know what I'm talking about, you know,

894
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 8: they know that feeling. And when I shared that I

895
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 8: lost Tape, people who'd you know, been on my journey

896
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 8: with me and been maybe following me for a bit,

897
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 8: no the day I got him, and maybe saw saw

898
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 8: him on my Instagram all the time. I mean, he

899
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 8: was probably in every single picture on my Instagram for

900
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 8: nine years, so I feel like people felt like they

901
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 8: knew him. And when I said, when I, you know,

902
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 8: shared that he was sick, and then when I ultimately

903
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 8: shared that he had passed, the overwhelming amount of support

904
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 8: and you know, messages that I got and also shared

905
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 8: experiences that I received from I lost my soul dog

906
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 8: ten years ago and I still think about them every

907
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 8: single day. It made me feel it made me feel

908
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 8: less alone and less maybe kind of strange for feeling

909
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: this way about a dog, because I you know, you

910
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 8: get both you get I got amazing, overwhelming comments that

911
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 8: were just overwhelmingly positive.

912
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: I mean, just.

913
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 8: You know, I know what you've what you're going through.

914
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 8: I went through this, you know, just remember He's always

915
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 8: with you.

916
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: You know.

917
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 8: I got messages like that that touched me so deeply

918
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 8: and positively, and I just felt so grateful that I

919
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 8: got those messages. But then, of course you get the

920
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 8: flip side where people don't understand. They're like, oh, it's

921
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 8: a dog, what's the big deal? You know, Oh, it's

922
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 8: a dog.

923
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: Move on.

924
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 8: I'll never move on from Tate's death. My grief will change,

925
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 8: for sure. My perspective of his death will change, and

926
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 8: it has even since I lost him. You know, I

927
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 8: it's it's devastating and it's heartbreaking. And you know, to

928
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 8: anyone who's felt that, I know that feels like and

929
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 8: don't let anybody rush you. You know, some people don't

930
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 8: understand it's just because this is a dog and you know,

931
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 8: not a person. It doesn't mean that they don't deserve

932
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 8: the same amount of time and space and energy you

933
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 8: would give to grieving anything else. So I would just say,

934
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 8: you know, take your time and you're not alone, and

935
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 8: it's not a fun thing to go through at all.

936
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 8: So I think I'll always miss Tate, you know. I

937
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 8: don't see how I can't, you know. And I think

938
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 8: to say to get over something is such a harsh

939
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 8: way of saying it, because I'll probably never get over it.

940
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 8: I'll never really get over losing Tate. I can heal

941
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 8: from it, and I can find, you know, peace with it,

942
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 8: But those are two completely different things. Getting over it.

943
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: How do you get over that?

944
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: You know?

945
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: It does?

946
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 8: It's not something that it's not an object in my way,

947
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 8: it's he's a part of me and he's no longer here.

948
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 8: So yeah, I definitely think losing a pet is tough.

949
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 8: And you know, losing one that you have such a deep,

950
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 8: strong connection with that's been with you for so many

951
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 8: things with no expectation from you other than just they

952
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 8: want to be there with you is that's a tough

953
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 8: loss and a tough thing to work through.

954
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that. What today shows us

955
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: is that grief doesn't end. It evolves, and during the

956
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: holidays that evolution can become more visible. The people we

957
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: love continue to live on in the memories we return

958
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: to the traditions we carry forward, and the quiet ways

959
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: they still guide us. Kate showed us that healing often

960
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: happens in the smallest moments. Nicole reminded us that forgiveness

961
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: can be a form of freedom. Current shared why the

962
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: most important ways should never wait, and Taylor affirmed that

963
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: every kind of loss deserves to be honored, even when

964
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: the world expects us to be Okay. If this season

965
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: feels heavy for you, there's nothing wrong with you. Grief

966
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: is universal, and so is love, and it's love that

967
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: allows us to keep going, to keep remembering, and that

968
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: carries us forward even when they're no longer here. If

969
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with doctor

970
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Julie Smith on unblocking negative emotions and how to embrace

971
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: difficult feelings.

972
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: You've just got to be motivated every day, and if

973
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: you're not, then what are you doing? And actually humans

974
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: don't work that way motivation. You have to treat it

975
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: like any other emotion.

976
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Speaker 5: Some days it will be there, some days it won't.