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The movie was about this mother 20 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: that fought the local law enforcement, that fought the community, 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: that fought her neighbors and her effort to find who 22 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: had brutally set her daughter on fire, killing her daughter 23 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: during a rape. It's so difficult and in my mind 24 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: as I was watching, and I was thinking about a 25 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: young woman whose father I felt that I got to 26 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: know after his daughter had been set on fire and killed. 27 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: The whole time I was watching the movie, I knew 28 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: it was based on a true story. And right now 29 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: we hear the true story. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 30 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us the true 31 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: and as i've yet unsolved murder of a beautiful woman, 32 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Kathy Page, the inspiration to the Academy Award winning movie 33 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. Joining me right now, Dr 34 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, Troy Slayton, Joseph Scott Morgan, and Cheryl White. 35 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl tell me about the real life story of Cathy 36 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: Page and her murder. Well. Kathy Page was thirty four 37 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: years old, as she had two young children under the 38 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: age of ten, and she was found beaten, raped and 39 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: strangled in her car, which had been staged to look 40 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: like an accident, but it was not. We are focusing 41 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: on the murder of Kathy Page, the real life inspiration 42 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: behind that the blockbuster movie Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. 43 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: Back to you, Cheryl White, So you're saying you have 44 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: no doubt in your mind Kathy's murder was staged. Why 45 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: do you say that, Well, the police on the scene 46 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: said that the car and the body were put together 47 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: later that she did not die in that car. They 48 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: also go as far as to say that she was 49 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: clothed after her death. Wow, this mother of two, absolutely 50 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: beautiful woman, Cathy Page had been beaten, a rape and 51 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: strangled when her body was found in her car near 52 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: her home. Now police say somebody had parked her car 53 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: in a ditch to make it look like a crash. 54 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: And that's pretty easy to determine that much. Joseph's got 55 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Morgan joining me. Forensics expert and professor of forensics at 56 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, jos got Morgan. I mean, it should 57 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: be pretty easy to tell if a car crashed into 58 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: a ditch or if it was driven in there gently. Yeah, yeah, 59 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: it would be uh, Nancy, if you had if there 60 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: was a direct impact into the ditch, there would be 61 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: significant damage. There'd be dirt buried onto the onto the 62 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 1: bumper and onto the sidewalls, the tires, everything as opposed 63 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: to somebody just kind of easing it down into a 64 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: depressed area. Uh and and this is what we refer 65 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: to a staging. Cathy's death in Vider became famous and 66 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: infamous after her father started putting up billboards on his 67 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: property along the highway accusing local police of failing to 68 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: investigate her murdyr. Another thing that we know in the 69 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: car there were soft drinks in the front seat that 70 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: hadn't spilled. That's a tip off to me, Troy Slayton, 71 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: you're the veteran defense attorney joining me out of l A. 72 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the cars eased into a ditch and the 73 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: soft drinks hadn't even spilled. All of that information is 74 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: fertile grounds for a defense when they actually find a suspect. 75 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: But right now there's no one even charged with the crime. 76 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold hold 77 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: on to me. All those circumstances will direct me to 78 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: who the killer is. I'm taking a look at all 79 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: of the signs this grieving father, Cathy's father, placed along 80 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: the side of the road. It says Vider police botched 81 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: the case waiting for a confession. This could happen to you. 82 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: And these are hand made signs the father posted. I 83 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: just can't even imagine the grief this father was going 84 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: through his daughter, the mother of two, raped, beaten, dead, 85 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: left in a ditch in a car. It does sound 86 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: fake to me. Dr Brian Russell. Dr Brian Russell, psychologist 87 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and lawyer and host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal val series. 88 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: Dr Russell, Before you answer that, take a listen to 89 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: this full surviving daughter sherriff is speaking exclusively to Daily 90 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: Mail TV. I'm just glad that dad had the inspiration 91 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: to put the signs up and I'm ready to put 92 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: up some more if that's what it takes to Dr 93 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer, host of Investigation Discoveries, A 94 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: blockbuster hit Fatal Vows. Dr Brian What the father is 95 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: going through when he sees his daughter has been raped, murdered, 96 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: his granddaughters are being raised without a mom, and he 97 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: he feels he can't get any answers and he's got 98 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: to He's reduced to putting up these handmade signs on 99 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: the side of the road. Can you imagine his pain? 100 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Absolutely, we talk about uh well, I say absolutely. 101 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: I I don't know that any of us can really 102 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: know what it's like to be him, but but I 103 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: can imagine he is like many of the victims family 104 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: members that we discuss on this show, and that he 105 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: has had to endure just the horrific loss of one 106 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: of the closest people in the world to him, his daughter. 107 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: And on top of that, how he's different from many 108 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: of the victims family members that we discuss on this 109 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 1: show is that in most of their cases, it seems 110 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: like the society, in the form of law enforcement the 111 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: prosecutor in the area UH at least does its best 112 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: to come through for the person. And in this case, 113 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: not only does he feel uh the loss of the 114 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: daughter in the most horrifying of ways, but on top 115 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,359 Speaker 1: of that, he feels that the society has sort of abandoned, 116 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: that the society is not really seeming to care that 117 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: much about getting justice for her, and so on top 118 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: of all of the grief that he's feeling, he feels 119 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: like he has to sort of personally crusade for justice 120 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: for her. The billboards that the father hand made and 121 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: placed along the road the air Invider graduated, They graduated 122 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: to big industrial size signs professionally done. One says, this 123 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: is Orange County, city of vider Here you get by 124 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: with brutally murdering a woman, and it's in red and yellow. 125 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: There is another sign. Oh, the signs all graduated and 126 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: they become bigger and bigger and bigger. Now we're all 127 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: familiar with three billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri that won the 128 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Academy Award. This is the case on which that was based. 129 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to this. 130 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: What you can and cannot say on a billboard. I 131 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: assume you can't say nothing defamatory, and you can't say 132 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: pisor that right or as. I think I'll be all right, 133 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: then Y try Angela Hayes his money. So, Mildred Hayes, 134 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: why didn't you put up in billboards? My daughter Angela 135 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: was murdered seven months ago. It seems to me the 136 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: police department is too busy torture in black folks to 137 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: solve actual crime. Ditch, I'm in the middle, like Mr Dinner. Sorry, 138 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: I know, Chief, I think we've got kind of a problem. 139 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: Son Sun beating of good. I do anything to catch 140 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: your daughter's killer. I don't think those billboards is very 141 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: fair time. It took him to get out here one 142 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: and like a Willoughby, some other poor girls probably out 143 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: there being butchered. Right now. We've had two official complaints 144 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: about those billboards from who your lady with a funny eye? 145 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: A lady with a funny fucking eye? And Fat Dennis. 146 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: It's a lot of good friends that Willoughby in this 147 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: town is eight. You didn't have to drill a little 148 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: hole in the dentist today, did you? Of course? I said, 149 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: of course, I'm sorry about Andrew, but the town is 150 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: dead set against these billboards and who that can? How 151 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: about you, sweetheart? No, I didn't really Okay, don't say 152 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: what Dickson when she comes in calling you? Where you 153 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: keep a case in the public eye and your chance 154 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: and it's all you know. If you hadn't stopped coming 155 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: to church, you'd have a little bit more understanding of 156 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: people's feelings. That was sound from the Academy Award winning 157 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: movie Three Billboards Outside Edding, Missouri, and that that the 158 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: movie was incredible and awful and wonderful at the same time, 159 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: and based on a true story. And that is a 160 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: true story we are investigating today. So Sheryl White the 161 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: other facts around unding her murder. You mentioned that it 162 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: appeared she had been clothed after her murder. Why is that? 163 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: Why do you say that, Cheryl, there were images or 164 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: the blood stains on the inside of the clothing that 165 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: made it appear that the clothing had been put on 166 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: after that she had been killed. To Joseph Scott Morgan, 167 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: forensics expert, that reminds me of the case I prosecuted 168 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: where a woman was found shot in the head suicide 169 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: naked in bed. Okay, so you and I both know 170 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: that statistically, women never shoot themselves in the handterface when 171 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: committing suicide. In fact, some of them dress up to 172 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: commit suicide. Um, they never commit suicide naked. That alerted 173 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: me at the get go. But then I found blood 174 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: spatter spatter under the pillow on which she was laying. Okay, 175 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: you see what's wrong with that, right? The blood could 176 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: not possibly have spattered from the gunshot wound under the 177 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: pillow on which she was laying. That's impossible, right, So 178 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: that blood spatter meant something. Explain to me why what 179 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Ryl White said about Cathie pages of bloodstains are is 180 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: so significant? Well, it is Nancy, And this goes to 181 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: how effectively the police are actually paying attention uh in 182 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: the fine details. In this particular case, this is something 183 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: that we refer to as redressing of a body. When 184 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: you're staging a crime and certain things have their place 185 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: in the timeline. And if you have blood that has 186 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: wound up beneath a surface, for instance, like you were 187 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: stating with a pillow or in this case, uh oriented 188 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: in the clothing, it doesn't match up with the physical 189 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: evidence that you're finding at the scene. It doesn't marry up. 190 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that's going to cause 191 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: the police to look at this and scratch their head 192 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: and say, you know what, this is just not right. 193 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: It was early dawn on May fourteen. Police in vider, 194 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: Texas found a carrect on the side of the road. 195 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: The woman behind the wheel was dead, but when they 196 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: touched her, her skin was cool. That is significant. Her 197 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: skin was cool. That tells the police in a way, 198 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: generally speaking, how long she had been there based on 199 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: the temperature around her. Now, it looked like a crash. 200 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden it got very very confusing. 201 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: She had no obvious wounds. How could she die a 202 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: car crash and there's no obvious wound. The soft drinks 203 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: of the front seat, we're not even spilled. Her feet 204 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: were pushed back against the seat rather than stretched out 205 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: toward the brake and the gas. She was not wearing 206 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: a seat belt, but the crash seemingly did not force 207 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: her forward or make her hit her head on the 208 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: steering wheel. Any good police officer could see that there 209 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: was no damage on the inside of the vehicle, damage 210 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: to the exterior, the deepness of the ditch, it was 211 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: very clear to them it had all been staged, leading 212 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of questions. It was thirty or four 213 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: year old Cathy Page, the mother of two, and she 214 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: only lived about a hundred yards from the crash site. 215 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Police immediately go to her home. Her husband, Steve answers 216 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: the door. He answers the door, and as soon as 217 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Detective Sergeant Mostly begins speaking to him, he answers that 218 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: his wife wasn't home, and he looks straight down the 219 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: street toward where the car was. He seemed to be 220 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: upset and he started crying. He threw himself on the 221 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: couch crying, But then he would jump up while we 222 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: were talking and there would be no tears. 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I 250 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: don't know what the police are doing. I hadn't heard 251 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: a word from them, said, I'll tell you this. I've 252 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: heard an awful lot for them since I put them 253 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: billboards up. That was from the movie Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri, 254 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: an incredible movie about a young girl, a daughter that 255 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: was brutally sex assaulted and murdered by fire. At the 256 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: time of the sex assault, her mother insisted local police 257 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: did not do enough to catch the killer and took 258 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: billboards out along the side side of the road, very 259 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: visible billboards. I remember at the end of that movie, 260 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: I could hardly speak imagine what the mother went through. 261 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: It's based on a true story, the story of the 262 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: murder of Cathy Page. As of today, unsolved why Troy Slayton, 263 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: l a defense attorney. The guy was fake crying. The husband. 264 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: There is no textbook, Nancy. There is no specific way 265 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: that somebody acts when they find out that something horribly 266 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: tragic has happened, like the death of their wife. So 267 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: maybe his uh, maybe he just didn't grieve the way 268 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: that you would expect someone to grieve. He was crying. 269 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: He threw himself on the cow. That may have been legitimate, 270 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: it may not have been. We just don't know. Yeah, 271 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: we don't know. But I can tell you this much. 272 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: If I saw my husband's car wrecked, I would not 273 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: throw myself on the sofa and cry in my house robe. 274 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I'd get my rear end out the front porch and 275 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: run to that car to see if I could save him, 276 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: to find out where he was, find out what happened. 277 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: I would not be laying on the sofa fake crying. 278 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Now that's according to the police. That's what you would do, Nancy. 279 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: But that's not what somebody else may have done. Okay, 280 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: And he also says he was not fake crying, But 281 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: this is what he does say. Listen to Cathy's husband, 282 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: Steve Page. Mainly, she was uncomfortable with who she was, uh, 283 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: or at least that was what she explained to me, 284 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: that she didn't know who she was. She wanted to 285 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: try to find out who Cathy was. Because of that, 286 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: we talked about separating for a short period of time 287 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: and allowing her to hopefully find herself. She said she 288 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: was going to meet one of her girlfriends after work, 289 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: and so I went over there. She left at approximately 290 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: eleven fifteen thirty head to Beaumont to meet her friend, 291 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: Um Charlotte, what's the friend's name? She was getting ready, 292 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: she just got out of the shower. I approached her 293 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: about sex, and we had sex before she left, before 294 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: she got dressed. Even the reason it comes down on 295 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: me is because I'm the husband. I'm the estranged husband. 296 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: To make it even worse, and because of her actions, 297 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: I am being blamed for her actions. She was out 298 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: seeing another guy, so therefore it could only have been me. 299 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: I must have found out somehow how, according to the police, 300 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: and became enraged and committed murder. I received threats on 301 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the phone at the same thing that happened to my 302 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: wife could happen to me. There was a name of 303 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: a certain person here in Beaumont that was bandied about 304 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: as a person who may have been involved. It's a 305 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: very prominent family, Uh, an Italian family even uh to 306 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: let you know that they are considered part of the 307 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: Beaumont mafia. Uh. You know what's interesting to Dr Brian 308 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Russell's psychologist and lawyer and host of I d S 309 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Fatal Vowel series, Dctor Brian, Why is it always the 310 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: dead victim's fault? It's always her fault? Have you noticed that? Uh, 311 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: she was the one leaving going somewhere that night. She 312 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: was the one, he says, finding herself. He even says, 313 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: why are they blaming me? It's her fault. It's interesting 314 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: because in a way, he sort of, uh, he sort 315 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: of lays out the case for why he would be 316 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: the prime suspect, and he does it pretty accurately. And 317 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: as he does it, almost found myself thinking, well, okay, 318 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: if I'm him and I'm actually innocent, And I realized 319 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: that there are these things that would cause people to 320 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 1: look at me, how that would feel. But then I 321 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: start to whatever little bit of empathy I start to 322 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: have goes away when I noticed that in amongst the 323 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: things he's saying, well, I'm you know, I'm the husband, 324 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: and so they're gonna look at me, and we're estranged, 325 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: and they're gonna look at me even more and all this, 326 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: and and she was seeing another guy and they're gonna 327 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: think that I found out and I got enraged. Okay, 328 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: but then as he tells all that, he throws in 329 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: these little bits of Okay, but uh, here's the name 330 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: of the friend that she was supposed to go meet. Okay, Well, well, 331 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: it's almost like, why are you why do we need 332 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: that detail? It's almost like, you know, I'm gonna show 333 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: you that this is really true she told me she's 334 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: going to meet a friend, because I'm even going to 335 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: give you the name, and then I'm gonna give you 336 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: another possibility of a suspect. And not only that, but 337 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: then I'm going to tell you that he's not just 338 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: another guy. He's a mafia guy. Uh that you know 339 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: that the cops don't want to maybe go after. It's 340 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: just like there's a little too much detail and it's 341 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: all directed at at you know, diverting attention and suspicion 342 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: from him. Uh, it's a bit too much for me. Well, 343 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now that this was not 344 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: a random killing because this scene was staged. Uh. Back 345 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, we know this she 346 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: was not killed in her vehicle. She was killed in 347 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: another location, cleaned out, redressed, put back in the vehicle, 348 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: and after the vehicle was rolled down into the ditch 349 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: to look like a crash, we find out that her 350 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: body reveals she was not wearing makeup or jewelry, which 351 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: is not like her. The autopsy showed she was strangled 352 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: and her nose had been broken. Important there were bloodstains 353 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: on her underwear and her skin, but no blood on 354 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: her outer clothing. No way was this random. Because random 355 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: killers strike and leave as fast as they can. They 356 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: don't take time to breathe the car a hundred yards 357 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: from her where her husband is and ease it down 358 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: into a ditch. I would not think now, jos Got Morgan. 359 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: Before you answer that, take a listen to what her sister, 360 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: Cathy's sister says. Cathy was definitely moving on in her 361 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: life at that point, um because the decision was made 362 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: for the divorce, and that in itself, having a decision 363 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: like that finally be resolved and itself was a real 364 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: relief off her back and she's making plans for that. 365 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: I personally don't believe that that happened. She wouldn't have 366 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: been with Steve before being with another man. Um, She 367 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: hadn't been with Steve in a lot of time. He's 368 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: already sleeping on the couch. Uh. Him coming over to 369 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: take care of the kids was more of a kindness 370 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: gesture for him to be around his kids, not for 371 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: him to be around Kathy. I was talking to a 372 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: sister in law of Steve's, and she said that she 373 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: knew for a fact that Steve made two phone calls. 374 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: Steve called this charlotte of this one number, and the 375 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: girl answered and he hung up. And then the second 376 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: phone number was called, and they said the name of 377 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: the hotel, and he hung up. And so he already 378 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: knew where she might be or was wow, that's completely 379 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: opposite what he says, that she was just trying to 380 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: find herself and they were going to separate briefly and 381 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: get back together. You know, Joseph Scott Morgan, You know 382 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: you guys, you really let your penis get you into 383 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. And I'll tell you why Kathy 384 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: did have sex tonight. That she died, But the autopsy 385 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: report includes a very very critical clue. The man she 386 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: was with the night that she died had had a assectomy. Okay, yes, listeners, 387 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: they can tell that the boyfriend she was dating had 388 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: not had a vasectomy. That means the person she was 389 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: with that night, the night she died was with somebody else. 390 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: Let me just put it out there. The husband, Steve Paige, 391 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: had a assectomy several months earlier. Now that's when when 392 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: police confront him with this, that's when he had comes 393 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: up with the sex story. Why, uh, jo Scott Morgan, 394 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: was she agreed to consensual sex when she's going that 395 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: night to meet her boyfriend. They're already planning the divorce. 396 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: This is not just a separation. He only comes over 397 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: to babysit and important there was blood her underwear. Sounds 398 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: like a forcible rape, Yeah, it does, Nancy. Going back 399 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: to what Brian said, this guy's kind of you know, 400 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: all along this this continual wum he's talking about these things, 401 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: he said, he's raising these possibilities. And wasn't it interesting 402 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: that statement that he said that she agreed to have 403 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: sex with him prior to this? Now, I don't know 404 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: what world he lives in. But most people that are estranged, uh, 405 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to agree to consensual sex, 406 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: particularly if they're already involved in an intimate relationship. And 407 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about the nature of these injuries she had, Nancy, 408 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: she was she was strangled, all right, that's what That's 409 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: what the autopsy is saying. This is something that we see, 410 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: uh in cases involving intimates that strangling is not something 411 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: obviously stating the obvious here that happens at a distance. 412 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: This is up close and personal. Many times, many times 413 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: this is associated with sexual attacks. You've got close proxy 414 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: to the individual's neck, you can wrap your hands around it. 415 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: It's an issue of trying to control these people and 416 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: dominate them. Sex just comes in as kind of an 417 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: afterthought at this point. But he's left physical evidence behind. 418 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: Another thing is I don't know if folks at home 419 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: know this. Uh. We hear about things like blunt force 420 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: trauma right in in in in in cases involving homicide. 421 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: You know what the number one thing in the United 422 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: States that creates blunt force traumas motor vehicle accidents. If she, 423 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: in fact had been involved in a high speed impact case, 424 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: involving there would be blood everywhere. We talked about blood, uh, 425 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, underneath the clothing. This gives us an idea 426 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: that she was uh, you know, redressed. She'd have blood, 427 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 1: there'd be you know, gashes on her forehead, she'd have 428 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: obvious bruising all over her. Um. That's what kind of 429 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: gives you pause and makes you scratch your head. There's 430 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: a myriad of physical call evidence here, Nancy. That goes 431 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: to kind of uh, you know Ford, what he's trying 432 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: the narrative that he's trying to put forward, you know 433 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: what he's right to Cheryl White, Crime Stories investigative reporter, 434 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl what what more do we know about the investigation 435 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: because her father, her father who was James Fulton, says 436 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: that police did not investigate the case thoroughly and that 437 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: there is a murderer there and they refused to make 438 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: an arrest. That the father does do that and he 439 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: is adamant that he will continue to demand that justice 440 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: for his daughter be if it carried out. Uh, the 441 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: d n A problem um raises its head. So they 442 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: found that she'd had sex, no sperm, So that was 443 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: a vasecto me as you said, So is there anything 444 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: there that police can use to track it down. There 445 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: was a mention that he didn't want the husband not 446 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: want the police to examine the home. The one reason 447 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: for that he said that she had caught her legs shaving, 448 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: and that they might find the blood on the floor 449 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: and the carpet and therefore believed that he had something 450 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: to do with her death. Oh, in the words of Shakespeare, 451 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, methinks thou doth protest too much? Troy Slayton 452 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: joining me, high profile lawyer out of l A. Here's 453 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: the guy saying he doesn't want them to search to home, 454 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: but if they did, they might find her blood on 455 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: the carpet from shaving. Man that must have been some 456 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: razor cut that didn't come from a bit Troy. Oh, 457 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: my goodness, Nancy, you mean somebody wouldn't want the government 458 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: agents police searching all over your home. I mean, that's 459 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: nothing to be shocked about. And if the police thought 460 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: that they even had uh reasonable suspicion or probable cause 461 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: of some of the lowest burden known to the law, 462 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: they could easily go to a judge and swear out 463 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: a search warrant. Yeah, but in that time isn't it true? 464 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. All we need is for the perp, 465 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: whoever that may be, to pour a little myriatic acid 466 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: on there and get rid of it. I mean, plain 467 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: all cleanser bleach isn't gonna kill it d NA, but 468 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: mariatic acid certainly would. Like you know, black swan, maybe 469 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: long story short. Joe Scott Morgan, uh uh no. If 470 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: he wanted to help police catch the killer, why not. 471 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean I always compare it to Mark Class when 472 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: his daughter Paully went missing. He's like, sure, here, run 473 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: through my place, take whatever you want. And hey, while 474 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: are here, take my fingerprints, take my blood, take my saliva, 475 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: give me a polygraph so you can move on quickly 476 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: to finding who took and murdered my daughter Polly. Okay, 477 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: that's what I expect from the family of crime victims. 478 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, yeah, I do too, Nancy. And also, 479 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: this guy is a father. Keep that in mind. If 480 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: he wants, you know, if he if he it's closure, 481 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: if he wants his kids to be okay, if he 482 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: wants to to demonstrate to his children that the future 483 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: is gonna be okay, We're gonna find out who did 484 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 1: the star Mama, Then why not give this stuff up? 485 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: Why not give these physical samples up? And so it 486 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: gives you policy to scratch your head, and yeah, Troy 487 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: All argued that he's going to you know, he he 488 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: could be violated by the government, it could be utilized 489 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: against him and all the sort of thing. But conversely, 490 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: it could be used to exonerate him as well. Uh. 491 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's uh, it's it's two sides. 492 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: It's a two sided coin here. So it's a dangerous 493 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: path that he's gone down. Guys, we're talking about the 494 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: real life inspiration that ultimately ended up as being an 495 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: Academy Award winning movie. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. That 496 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: movie talked about the brutal rape and burning death of 497 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: a young teen girl and her mother fighting law enforcement, 498 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: including Woody Harrelson, who was also awesome, uh, fighting him 499 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: looking for answers. At the end of the movie, you 500 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: still didn't have the killer. Sorry about the spoiler alert, 501 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: but the investigation went on. It's about the struggle of 502 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: a mother trying to find her daughter's killer. And she's 503 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: not just looking for the killer, she's doing battle with 504 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: local police as well, and that's just what's happening here 505 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: and the real life story of Kathy Page. Her father 506 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: is still trying to get justice over Kathy's murder. Now 507 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: it means a lot to me what a murder of 508 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: victims family thinks. I want you to listen to Cathy's father, 509 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: her dad, James Fulton, listened. I feel like she came 510 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: in that night and come into mac no Or act. 511 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: She had one park your car and he would flip 512 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: setting in a chair in the front room. And when 513 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: she went on in the bathroom and Shane Clow took 514 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: a makeup all look Jerry and alaw and he's heard 515 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: it probably in the bathroom, and he got up and 516 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: demanded sex for her. Whatever I got in the fight. 517 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: Then Steve realizing what had happened, he wants to redress her. 518 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: If you look at the valient crime profile, if it's 519 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: into a t you know the remark she wants to redress. 520 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: You don't want them to be found neked or bloody. 521 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: So there was an attempt to clean her up and 522 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: redress her, but things were forgotten, for instance, her jewelry 523 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: and her socks. You were hearing sound from Unsolved Mystery 524 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: Cathy Page. You know what that detail. I didn't know, 525 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: Sheryl White, Crime Stories investigative reporter. So she's missing not 526 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: only makeup and jewelry, but she says she's going out, 527 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: but her socks as well. This is in February, and 528 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: she didn't have on any socks, Sheryl, And I'll tell 529 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: you what else. They found a blade of grass on 530 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: the back of her jeans, further cementing the theory that 531 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: her body was not in the car at the time 532 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: of death. It was dragged. M that that's a huge 533 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: clue to this case. There real life inspiration to the 534 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: Academy Award winning movie Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri. Listened 535 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: to this. Cathy Page was not killed in her vehicle. 536 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: She was killed at another location, cleaned up, redressed, and 537 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: placed back in her vehicle, and after the vehicle had 538 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: been rolled into the ditch. I'd do anything to catch 539 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: the guy who did it, Mrs Hayes. But when the 540 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: DNA don't match no one who's ever been arrested, and 541 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: when the DNA don't match any other crime nationwide, and 542 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: when there wasn't a single eye witness from the time 543 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: she left your house to the time we found her. Well, 544 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: right now, there ain't too much more we can do. 545 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: Could pull blood from every man and boy in this 546 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: town over the age at eight, there's several rights laws 547 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: prevents that, Mrs Hayes. And what if he was just 548 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: passing through town full blood from every man in the 549 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: country then? And what if he was just passing through 550 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the country. It was me. I started up a database 551 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: and from el bay be what's born, stick him on it, 552 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: and as soon as he's done something wrong, cross references, 553 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: make a certain it was a correct match, and kill him. Yeah. Well, 554 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: there's definitely civil rights laws prevents that. I'm doing everything 555 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: I can to track him down. I don't think those 556 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: billboards is very fair. The time it took you to 557 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: get out here one and like, will it be some 558 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: other poor girls probably out there being butchered right now? 559 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you got your priorities straight. I'll say 560 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: that for you. Guys. You just heard a clip from 561 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: Frances McDorman in the movie Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri, 562 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: where at one point they thought they had found her 563 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: daughter's killer and they ran his d n A it 564 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: wasn't him, And the disappointment that the mom suffered. It 565 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: was like a mortal blow. That's how I feel, James Fulton, 566 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: the Pages father must feel right now. Still no arrest 567 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: in the murder of his daughter Kathy. That's something I 568 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: don't understand. To forensics expert Joseph Scott Morrigan, if they 569 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: have semen, well you know what, never mind, I answered, 570 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: in my own mind, they've got semen from Kathy Page. 571 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: But the husband says it was consensual sex. We know 572 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: she met her boyfriend that night. I highly doubt that. 573 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, especially in light of blood 574 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: in her underwear, that's enough forensic evidence to go forward 575 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: with a criminal case. Joe Scott, I would think so, Nancy. 576 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: But let's keep in mind that this fellow also had 577 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: a vasectomy, as you mentioned earlier. Uh, to do the 578 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: extraction for DNA, you have to have sperm, and at 579 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: this point, uh, this guy doesn't. He doesn't have any sperm, 580 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: so it has to be extracted literally from the of 581 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: the sperm. So he's when he when there is ejaculate, 582 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: it is non cellular. Uh, it's a non cellular suspension, 583 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: So you're not gonna have DNA in there. Uh. And 584 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: the blood and we don't know who the blood is from, 585 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: do we at this point in time? Uh, And you 586 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: have to be able to to match these things up. 587 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: If he's bathed her, for instance, Uh, he could have 588 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: disrupted uh, disrupted the any kind of physical evidence that 589 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: was there. So you know, you kind of leave your 590 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: head scratching here. Uh. You know, he's in physical contact 591 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: with her, he's in his in her presence. So even 592 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: if there's contact DNA in this environment, it can easily 593 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: be explained by the defense. Well, the blood we know 594 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: came from her, I don't think it thinks that she 595 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: would have been bathed, because there was still blood some 596 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: blood on her body, under her clothes and in her underwear. 597 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: So I don't think she would have been bathed. I 598 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: think that one of the things that we have to consider. 599 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: I'd be very interested to see the results on the 600 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: rape kit that they conducted and also the examination. Um 601 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: and I'm going to get a little bit graphic here, 602 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: but the vaginal examination that they would have done on 603 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: her at autopsy, and what you would be looking for is, 604 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: uh in the vaginal opening, you'd be looking for trauma, 605 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: external trauma and also dilation of the vaginal opening that 606 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: indicates that maybe this was in fact forced sex. Now 607 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily going to be a tie back, but 608 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: it does demonstrate that she was involved in uh, potentially 609 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: violent sex. And if she's involved with a boyfriend, you 610 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't suspect that, Okay, but it would go It would 611 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of put the investigators on the track of somebody 612 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: else that would have had to have forced her to 613 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: have had sex. Wait a minute, what about this? I 614 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: know that I'm going back to your as search and 615 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: that if you've had a v S sectomy, you don't 616 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: leave behind d N A. Now true, you know if 617 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: you look at that on its face, you cannot get 618 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: DNA from the semen of a vasectimized male. That's true, 619 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: I agree with you, not from this semen. But what 620 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: about this? What about epithelial cells? Epithelial cells which is 621 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: like a wet skin cell um Let me think how 622 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: to say this. Your body makes cells to line and 623 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: protect parts of your body like the mouth, the vagina, 624 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: the lining, the ereth lining of the penis. Those cells 625 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: come from a layer like shingles on a roof, right, Okay, 626 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: So they don't have a nuclei like sperm wood or 627 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: the root of a hair. But you've got the other 628 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: the wet skin cells. I'm wondering, Joe Scott Morgan, if 629 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: we used a more advanced type of DNA testing on 630 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: those wet apathelial cells, that we would get not a 631 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: nucleus but another type of Wait wait, wait this this 632 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: is irrelevant. He's already said he had sex with her. 633 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We know that that is from him, 634 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: So all of our DNA discussion, he's moved. He's already said. 635 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: So we just don't know was it rape or was 636 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: it consensual? What about the fact to Troy Slayton that 637 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: the wreck is a hundred yards from the home. Sure, 638 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't look good. But even if he had sex 639 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: with her, even if it was rough sex, that doesn't 640 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 1: mean that he was the one that killed her. And 641 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, just just stop, Troy. You know what, rest 642 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: the body and placed her in the ditch. Dr Brian 643 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: Russell no offense. Uh, And I'm not a man hater. 644 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell Contrary to what many people think. Brian 645 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: Russell host a fatal vows on Investigation Discovery. Why is 646 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: it it's always men who talk about how women want 647 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: rough sex? I've never heard a single woman talk about 648 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: how she wants rough sex. And they only talk about 649 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: it when the woman ends up dead, Like in the 650 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: Preppy Killer. It's always, oh, she wanted rough sex. Whoopsy, 651 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: she's dead. Why is that? Dr Brian Russell. Every woman 652 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: that's listening to this right now is just shaking her head. No. Well, 653 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: I think it's in a way, it's it's the only 654 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: way to uh explain how you could get some of 655 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: the same uh you know, physical uh indicators of rape 656 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: without their having been a rape with with you know, 657 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: from some kind of consensual activity. It's it's sort of 658 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: the only, uh, the only to try to explain it away. 659 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: Long story short, there is still a single sign remaining 660 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: calling for justice, claiming that local police took some sort 661 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: of a bribe not to solve the case. Now, to me, 662 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: at first glance, that sounds outlandish, But why is it? 663 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: Why is it this case has never been solved. I 664 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: mean to me, it sounds like there's the makings of 665 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: a circumstantial case. So what's happening now in the case 666 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: Cheryl White, and what is going on right now is 667 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: that they continue to look at the evidence. They have 668 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: reopened this cold case. They've doubled the reward money to 669 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars. So they have reopened this case and 670 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: they are now searching for evidence that will lead them 671 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: to the killer. The murder of Cathy Page, as of now, 672 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: remains unsolved. There is no official suspect in the case. 673 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: Her husband, her ex husband, still declares his innocence. Take 674 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: a listen to the local police chief right through the 675 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: entire case file. Because of the you know, because of 676 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: the billboard I announced that pushed it forward in my 677 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: mind coming into this community. I believe that Kathy Page, 678 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, she deserves justice. I think the Page family 679 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: deserves justice. I think somebody here in Southeast Texas knows 680 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: the answers. I think that they just they need to 681 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: get right and have a conscience and come form right now. 682 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: We remember Corporal move Shahid runs In a fourteen year 683 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: VET Prince George County Police Department, Maryland also awarded the 684 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: Medal of Valor two thousand and six Retard Marine previously 685 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: assigned to p g p D Special Obs Division, Harbor Unit. 686 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: Graduating Central Texas College with a degree in Criminal Justice 687 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 1: and Political Science leaves behind a grieving widow for children. 688 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: He was his mother's only son. 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