1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Quody Doors with Joseph Scott more. Over the course of 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: my life, I've met some kind of interesting people along 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the way. I love meeting people to a certain degree, 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: particularly that come from different backgrounds. One of my friends 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: that I actually met him just by chance and formed 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: a friendship with him, was a former Special operations person. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: It's about as far as I'll go, and he's just 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: this salt of the earth kind of guy. But one 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: of his part of his expertise in Special Operations was 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: what they call CQB. He was close quarters combat and 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: he became an instructor, and he was particularly good with 12 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: edged weapons, and which I was a fascinated by the 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: little boy and me, you know, it's fascinated by that now. 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: I asked him one time, I said, do you guys 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: ever learn how to throw knives? And he looked at 16 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: me and he said, you know, I thought you were 17 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: a smart guy. He said, that's one of the dumbest 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: things you can do, because if you have a weapon 19 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: in your hand, why would you ever throw it away? 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Today we're going to do an update on a case 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: that involves an edged weapon. It involves a single stabling 22 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and the weapon was apparently wielded by a young lady 23 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: that claimed that she threw the knife and happened to 24 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: strike the victim in one of the most critical areas 25 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: in the human body. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 26 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: is Body Backs, Dave. I I took you out in 27 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: the backyard right now. I've got a big oak tree 28 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: back here. You think you could if I hand you 29 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: in knife? You think you could make it stick in 30 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: the tree, just wondering. 31 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could do that, Joe, Yeah, 32 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: I wanted the same thing. I'm so glad you started 33 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: the show with this about the knife throwing. I've always thought, 34 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 2: unless you're actually one of these people who has like 35 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: a whole pack of them, and they're different sizes and 36 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: they're made for throwing as a as a why would 37 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: you throw a knife? 38 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: Why? 39 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: Movies ever? Two movies Desperado with Danny Trejo. He played 40 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: a knife wielding assassin in that, and he had a 41 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: vest with tiny throwing knives on it, and the guy's 42 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: name it was James Coburn in The Magnificent Seven, and 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: he carried a knife down the back of his shirt 44 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: and he would wheeld this thing and throw it, and 45 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: it's really cool to see. Yeah, I think it's really cool. 46 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: But the odds, the odds that you were going to 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: be able to fatally, you know, to bring about a 48 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: catastrophic event with this knife. 49 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: More than the bodyguard. That was another one where through 50 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: the knife at the guard. 51 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: That was funny, Yeah, yeah it was. But it's it's 52 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: all fictional odds. And I know that there are people 53 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: out there, well, I know people that throw knives, not 54 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: in combat. You don't not if. 55 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: You're in a fight, why would you throw away your 56 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: tool your I know. 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's pretty pretty bizarre. So when and 58 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: we've covered this case before, as a matter of fact, 59 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: we covered it I think a couple of years ago. 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: Now this is how long this has been going on. 61 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: And we're talking about Courtney Clinty by the way, Yeah. 62 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: She is one of these New Age models where we 63 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: used to make jokes about people and career choices, how 64 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: rich people would oftentimes claim that they were a photographer 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: or a writer because those are a couple of occupations. 66 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: You don't have to prove anything, you can claim it. 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: And nobody, you know, has a way of saying, are 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: you any good do you have any you know, No, 69 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: I'm wealthy anyway. This is just what I claim is 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: an occupation. But we have this whole genre of internet models, 71 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: and in this particular case, Courtney Clinny, wasn't her name 72 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: Courtney Taylor on? 73 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And then of course only fans. 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: Right, it's only fans, which is that we've had a 75 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: number of stories of young women on only fans. And look, 76 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: I don't care what a person does to make money. Yeah, 77 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: two consenting adults. I'm libertarian all the way when it 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: comes to that, So whatever you do, fine, But we 79 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: have a number of cases of young women who have 80 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: no other means of support except for what they produce online. 81 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: Yep. 82 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: And it just weirds me out that they can make 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: so much money. 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Oh amount, Well, you know, just down the road from us, 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's in the suburb of Birmingham. We had the. 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: Cat West. 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Cat West, I mean literally that was right down 88 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: the road from us where that occurred. And remember she 89 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: was sound dead out by the curb and she was 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: involved in this business with her husband and beautiful lady 91 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: a mother, And of course he was charged and subsequently 92 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: tried and convicted but she was the model that died 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: in this case, We've got a model that is charged 94 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 1: with a homicide of a big dude of her boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: To give you a little background on it is she 96 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: was involved in a relationship where there was a lot 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: of police intervention. There were a lot of graps between 98 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: these two. And to be honest with you, Joe, I 99 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 2: have seen a couple of them in particular. One fight 100 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to putting fight in air quotes between Courtney's 101 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Clinney and her boyfriend, Christian obum selly obum selly sell 102 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: all right, between Courtney and Christian, and she was the 103 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: aggressor from from Jump Street. She gets on the elevator 104 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: and she is oh, she is mad. She's hitting he 105 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: and he comes on. He's trying to calm her down. 106 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: You can't hear in the audio. You can only see 107 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 2: the body, you know, how they're working with one another, 108 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: and he's like totally hands off, be cool, you know, 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: come on, stop it, calm down, that kind of thing. 110 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: And she's trying to hit pull, She's trying to pull 111 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: his hair, scratch him. She is terrorizing this guy who 112 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: is a big man and he is choosing to not 113 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: do anything other than try to calm her down. 114 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: And she in that moment. I've seen this dude in 115 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: that moment, he was a saint. 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got it. 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't know how you were 118 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: strained to self because she was really she was hammering 119 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: on this guy. And apparently that's not the only incident 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: that had occurred, is that correct day. 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: It happened many times, Joe, many times, and so when 122 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: police were actually called on this last time, and I'm 123 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: glad you mentioned it because her claim, her claim is 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: that they were in a fight. Now she claims to 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: be the victim of domestic violence. She claims a lot 126 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: of things, and this man, Christian Obumselli, does not have 127 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: the opportunity to defend himself or his honor or his 128 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: character because he's dead. Because she claims that she threw 129 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: a knife and it just accidentally hit him. It was 130 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: a mistake, It was an accident. I wasn't trying to 131 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: hurt him. I wasn't trying to do anything. It just 132 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: it happened to hit him. And Joe, I don't know 133 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: about you, but you told this at the very beginning. 134 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: If you're in a fight for your life, the one 135 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: thing you don't do is get rid of your weapon. 136 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: So how does she throw a knife and end up 137 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: hitting her boyfriend in such a way that it could 138 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: cause his demise. 139 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: That's the big thing, because this knife was a kitchen knife. 140 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: So if you and okay, let me back up and 141 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: just say that there are knives out there that are 142 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: created for throwing. They do exist. I have seen them, 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: I've handled them. I've never thrown one, and they have 144 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: a particular balance to it, and there is truly I 145 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: hate to say that it's an art form, but I'm 146 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: sure to the people that do this regularly, it is 147 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: an art form. Not quite the same thing, but I mean, 148 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: just you realize how many bars there are now that 149 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: have the axe throwing thing, and it's competitive. I kind 150 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: of want to do it. I've never done it, just 151 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: to throw an axe and get it to stick and 152 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: you know in the target down range. There's all kinds 153 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: of things that go into this. As far as the 154 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: biomechanics of this, how the weapon is held, we're not 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: even talking, we're not even at the point of throwing yet. 156 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: So do you hold it by the tip of the blade, 157 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: mid range the blade or do you hold it by 158 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: the handle? And then what arm angle? Are you tossing 159 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: this thing? And the people that throw them if you 160 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: do like an overhanded throw, the knife actually rotates, it'll 161 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: rotate through the air. It kind of spins on an 162 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: axis as it And then I've always thought, well, how 163 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: do they get this to do this and then predict 164 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: that it's actually going to embed in the target. And 165 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: then when it embeds, there's no guarantee that it's going 166 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: to have sufficient depth to stick. And if you're throwing 167 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: it at a human, now you're talking about somebody that 168 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: is moving. You're talking about positionality, because most people don't 169 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: stand still unless you're in a carnival, you know, and 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: they've got somebody against the wall and they're you know, 171 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: they're holding uh uh, you know, holding a balloon in 172 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: their teeth. 173 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: You know, those of you who are a little bit 174 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: older than Joe and I. It was an actor named 175 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: Ed Ames. He actually played a big Western guy on 176 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: TV and one of his things in the TV show 177 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: was throwing axes, and he was on Johnny Carson's Tonight 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: Show where he did a demonstration of throwing the axes 179 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: and one of the axes that landed right between they 180 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: had a drawing of an outline of a man and 181 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: I landed right between, right in the guy's crotch. 182 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 183 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: And he said, I had no idea you were Jewish. 184 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: There you go. And the thing is is that that's 185 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: the only time you see things like this, Joe. You 186 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: don't see them in real life. 187 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: No you don't. And you made me reflect back to 188 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: the movie The Jerk with Bernadette Peters and she says, 189 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: she says to Steve Martin, I've learned a new trick today, honey. 190 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: And they've got all this money and you know, and 191 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: he says, yeah, let me say, and she says, do 192 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: you have a balloon? He says, wait, hang on, yeah, 193 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: I just happened to have one. He sticks it in 194 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: his mouth. She says, now, make sure you throw it 195 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: real hard. So it's a stick Back to the story 196 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: at hand, it's one of those things where she is 197 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: saying that she's taken a kitchen knife in a heated argument, 198 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: and this is what she has told the police, and 199 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: of course this information has passed along to the medical examiner, 200 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: and she wielded this knife in a manner that she 201 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: threw it at him. Now, when she says that she 202 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: threw it at him, this is where lawyers can dance 203 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: because did you throw it at him with intent? You 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: know that sort of thing. So they're going to go 205 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: round and round about this. What the medical examiner though 206 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: that did the exam emanation in Florida stated and opined 207 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: about this. They said the doctor said very specifically that 208 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: this is not something consistent with with someone throwing a 209 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: knife and having it stick. All right, First off, the 210 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: knife penetrated. The knife penetrated roughly eight centimeters. And just 211 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: let me give you an idea as to as to 212 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: that kind of depth, so that everybody understands it's just 213 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: over that would be eight centimeters, would actually be just 214 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: over three inches in depth. Now, everybody, within the sound 215 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: of my voice right now, find your right collarbone otherwise 216 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: known as claviical. All right, so your right collarbone and 217 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: drop down. You can anywhere along it, but just find 218 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the mid the mid portion of the shaft of this 219 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: drop down about half an inch, all right. You get 220 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: to that half an inch mark that in fact is 221 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: just beneath that. That area is where one of the 222 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: major vessels in your in your body rest and it 223 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: is very critical. This is not like you're nicking some 224 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: little secondary vessel throughout your body. This is where the 225 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: right subclavicular artery rest. And it is a major blood supply. 226 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: And let me tell you how major it is. It 227 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: show it shares a common trunk with the right karated vessel. 228 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: And of course the right karated vessel is the vessel 229 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: that in one of the vessels the right end, the 230 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: left krotid arteries supply the brain with blood, and so 231 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: it shunts off and supplies the periphery with blood. And 232 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure behind it. So if you 233 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: clip that vessel, if you clip that vessel, you're going 234 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: to bleed out really really quickly. The reason I'm giving 235 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: this little anatomy lesson here is when you think about 236 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: her relationship with this big man, how are you going 237 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: to target that specific area? How much energy do you 238 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: think that this tiny woman, and she is tiny, particularly 239 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: compared to Christian, how does she generate enough energy to 240 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: throw this thing and have it not just kind of 241 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: stick superficially, maybe like a needle in a SubQ shot 242 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: that you get injection at the dot. We're talking three 243 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: inches into the body, Dave three inches a kitchen knife. 244 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: All right, this thing is buried beneath his collar. Mone 245 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: goes into into this right subclave, Artery and buddy. Unless 246 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: you had I don't, unless you had a staff of 247 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: cardiothoracic surgeons with the nurses and all of the instruments, 248 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: you ain't living. You're not living. And what was really tragic. 249 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: I remember hearing a recording. It seems they had this. 250 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: I think she's it's a non one one call where 251 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: you can hear Christian in the background operated emergency. 252 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: Man. Listen to me. You need to stop steaming on 253 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: the line. Give me the agger. You have a god 254 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: taking my arm one on one one man, my good 255 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: friend and dying. What is the address? Bring God, break 256 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: come to my head. 257 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: That's the first part of that nine to one one 258 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: called Joe. And you can hear, uh, you've got Courtney 259 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: Clinny and the nine one dispatch, but you can hear 260 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: in the background. You can hear Christian saying I'm going 261 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: to die. I can't feel my arm. What does that mean? 262 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: He is fading and fading fast. Now. They wound up 263 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: taking him from the scene to the hospital and of course, 264 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: by the time they get to the er, it's over with. 265 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they pronounced him dead there. So when the police, 266 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, actually begin to work the scene, When the 267 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: detectives worked the scene, all this left is Courtney Clinny 268 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and she is super saturated with blood. The thing that 269 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: stands out to me most there was a still image 270 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: of her that was taken because dude, disapartment that they 271 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: lived in. I don't know about everybody else, but I 272 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: know enough about you and I Dave. We could never 273 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: afford to live in this place. I mean it is 274 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: a swinky pad and it's you know, in a high 275 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: rise in South Florida. And there's an image of her 276 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: where she is seated and it's through a glass and 277 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: you can see she's got blood all over and there's 278 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: blood all over the floor, which is consistent because one 279 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: of the things that we look for in blood pattern interpretation. 280 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this, but so our 281 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: friends know, there's something called arterial spray. There's so much 282 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: pressure behind this particular vessel that has the heart is pumping, okay, 283 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: and remember this thing is truncated off the off of 284 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: the order and then it's blitz after it comes off 285 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the A order. Once I go becomes coroated the other subclave, 286 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: you've got this pressure that's coming out. He would have 287 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: sprayed blood all over the place and all over her. 288 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: So she's in close contact with that they This is 289 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: a very and I think back you talked about how 290 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: passive he was in the elevator, and I really wonder 291 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: if that history translates to this event. He's not thinking, certainly, 292 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: she's not going to bury the knife in my chest. 293 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk her down. 294 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: Brother. 295 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. It didn't happen like that. It didn't 296 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: happen at all, Joe. 297 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned the elevator, because that was just 298 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before you know this happened. Police 299 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: were called out there many times, many times, and there 300 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: was a history of violence between the two of them 301 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: that based on his size and based on her size, 302 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: and based on her alleged use of alcohol and drugs, 303 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: and not totally being because when she was actually arrested, 304 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: she was arrested in Hawaii while she was there to 305 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: undergo treatment for alcoholism and drug addiction. And I want 306 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: to go back for just a minute, because in watching 307 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: the video on the elevator, I watched it knowing the 308 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: end result, knowing that this man died at her hand. 309 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: She never denies that. She does not deny that she 310 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: did this, Okay, but we have to believe that she 311 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: claims he threw her to the ground in their apartment, 312 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: and that she grabs a kitchen knife. She's ten feet 313 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: away and she throws it at him and it hits 314 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: his collarbhone, just below his collarphone. As you explained, Joe, 315 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: which by the way, I had no idea what you 316 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: told me today, I had no idea that's what we 317 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: were talking about in terms of blood, right, I didn't 318 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: know that was a deadly spot. I would have thought 319 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: kind of like she yourself through the arm and claimed 320 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: the bushy haired stranger didn't. I didn't know that it shot. 321 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: I didn't know a knifound there would do that. But 322 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: it was plunged three inches deep. And you know you're 323 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: not that thick right there anyway. 324 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: No, No you're not. It's it's immediately superior to well, 325 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: it's actually in the upper range of like there's there 326 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: are other muscular structures. But if you think about your 327 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: pectoral muscle, that's right there. 328 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: You're going to. 329 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: Pass through that. And here's the thing, Dave, there is 330 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: you know your ribs actually begin Let's see, your first 331 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: rib kind of doesn't really communicate, but it approximates the collarbone. 332 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: And people don't realize your ribs kind of go up 333 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: that high, but they do, and then they begin to 334 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: wrap around the body. So not only is she below 335 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: the collarbone, but she would have had to have slipped 336 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: us in between the collarbone and the first rib and 337 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: go through the petrol muscle. So it's not just that 338 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: it's three inches into his body. If you take a 339 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: look at Christian's uh form, he's very robust. I mean, 340 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: you can tell dude who spent time on the weight bench. 341 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: He's he's I mean, he is in shape, you know, 342 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: he's he's a big, robust dude. And so she's got 343 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: to penetrate all of that. The reason I'm saying that 344 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: is that there would have had she with her size, 345 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: would have had to have generated a tremendous amount of 346 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: energy in order to do that. And you know what 347 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: creates energy in human beings. Rage I'm thinking, you know, 348 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: adrenaline's pumping. Things have gotten out of hand, at this 349 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: point and for whatever reason she said, she decides to 350 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: attack him, and you know, the medical examiner at this 351 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: point has stated that, you know that this is inconsistent. 352 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: Now this is not She's merely charged. It's not gone 353 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: to trial yet. I mean, we're still what two years afterwards, 354 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: I think at this point in time approximately, and this 355 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: thing still hasn't made it to trial yet. It will, 356 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: but this is going to be one of one of 357 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: the questions they're going to ask, and I can predict 358 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: it of the pathologists. Doctor, you have made the statement, 359 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, in this court document, and it is you know, 360 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: we have a copy of it where you say that 361 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: this is this is not consistent with a thrown knife. 362 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: And I think the doctor has also come out and said, well, 363 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: I've never seen a throne knife case. But they're going 364 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: to get him on the stand and they're going to 365 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: talk about this and say, well, how can you make 366 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: that judgment? You know, you you put forth this. She 367 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: she's saying that she's admitting, you know, just like you 368 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: said that she did it. She has and this is 369 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: the method that I employed, you know, and I'm sure 370 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: that they can say or put the thought in the 371 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: jurors minds that hey, look, she was a fit of rage. 372 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: She was just throwing the knife to try to get 373 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: him off of her or make him stand down. And 374 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: then they're going to come to the forensic pathologist and 375 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: they're going to say, well, if you've never worked one 376 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: of these cases, how do you know that it couldn't happen? 377 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: Is it within the realm of possibility? And the doctor 378 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: will have to say, I guess it is possible. So 379 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: that's it's interesting that that seed has been planted. But Dave, 380 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I understand that along with this reveal there are actually 381 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: some other elements to this case that need to be 382 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: addressed and have need to be updated. At this point 383 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: in time. 384 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: There have been a number of issues between the prosecution 385 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: and the defense, as there always is, they battle back 386 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 2: and forth for what evidence is going in and what 387 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: is staying out. And one thing came down to the 388 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: laptop that was owned by Christian Omselli and Courtney Clinney 389 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: because it was what she claims as community property and 390 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: it was in their apartment where they both lived, and 391 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: in trying to access the password that Christian used to 392 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: I don't know what they were trying to get to 393 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: one can assume, but that doesn't do any good. But 394 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: the prosecution was able to find information communication between Courtney 395 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: Clinny's parents and the attorneys as they were trying to 396 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: figure out different passwords that Christian may have made up 397 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: and used to access this computer. Prosecutors got a hold 398 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 2: of these communications, these emails, these text messages back and 399 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: forth and found out what was going on and said, hey, 400 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: wait a minute, you can't you know, And so they 401 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: charged the parents with trying to break in and charge 402 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: them with a burglary charge for trying to break into 403 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: this laptop. And they're like, wait a minute, that's information 404 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: that is not shareable. That's attorney client privilege. You can't 405 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: have that. And a judge just ruled that the prosecution 406 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: did violate attorney client privilege by accessing this communication between 407 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: Courtney Clinney's parents and the attorney. And so now this 408 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: whole batch of evidence the prosecution was banking on having 409 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: they no longer have. 410 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a big blow. And let me tell 411 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: you why, because this goes to I think remember how 412 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: I mentioned this high dollar apartment that they're in, Oh, yeah, 413 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: or condo, you know. However, you want to frame it. 414 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm just old country boy, you know, I don't understand 415 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: these things necessarily, but it's it's val value is astronomical. Well, 416 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: there's there's a certain amount of money that you have 417 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: to have in order to maintain this lifestyle. And you 418 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: know you mentioned early on, you know about how much 419 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: money comes in. Well there they're essentially and you talked 420 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: about community property. They're essentially in a business relationship. It's 421 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: not just a romantic thing. They're in a business relationship. 422 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: So any of that data that was contained on that 423 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: hard drive could potentially give more clues, more insight, and 424 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: for us, you know, in forensics, we use digital forensics 425 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: to go back in time. It's amazing, you know, with 426 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: all of these devices that we carry around with us, 427 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: whether it's a laptop or maybe an old fashioned CPU 428 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: at home, or certainly our phone, you think about that 429 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: reveals quite a bit of history, you know, dates, time, times, 430 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: exchanges of money or intake. And here's the other thing. 431 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: There are sex videos as well. I think they're you 432 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: know that are related to I guess only fans and 433 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: maybe other things. We have no idea, but man, I 434 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: mean that that's all You're saying that's all going to 435 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: be excluded. Anything that was contained on that CP you're. 436 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 3: Going to have. 437 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna have all of it out. The thing is, 438 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: imagine this Joe Courtney Taylor. That's Courtney Cliney. The name 439 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: Courtney Clinty went by online only fans and Instagram. She 440 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: had two million followers on Instagram. That's making bank. This 441 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: is the kind of money that you don't make at 442 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: this age. This is the kind of money unless you 443 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 2: inherit it. You don't traditionally make this kind of money 444 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: that she was pulling down. And the thing is Christian Bobselli. 445 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: He was a computer guy. He was big into cryptocurrency. 446 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: And for those of you who have seen what has 447 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: happened in that world in the last ten years, yes, 448 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: you know there there have been crypto billionaires and you know, 449 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: created where they spent ten cents to buy you know, 450 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 2: however many shares of some crypto and now you know 451 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: they sold for forty five thousand a share kind of thing. 452 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a crazy time in the world 453 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: of cryptocurrency if you got in and out at the 454 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: right time. 455 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and so you know the old adage 456 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: of you know, money being the root of all evil, 457 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily adhere. 458 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: To evil other evil. 459 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the love of money. Thank you. You're right, You're 460 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: absolutely right, and you know it's it is a tool. 461 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, if if there if 462 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: the prosecution were to say, have to move forward with 463 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: this case, and there is evidence that could have been 464 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: on that hard drive and this was a final the 465 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: root of this may have been to borrow that phrase. 466 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: The root of could have been some kind of financial 467 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: distress or discrept and see or argument that was going on. Man. 468 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: That's that's a foundational part to the case. And what 469 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: a train wreck that could potentially. 470 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 2: Be something else that came out Joe after the death 471 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: of christianumum Selly. No, many of us have already seen 472 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: the police video of Courtney Clinty directed right after this. 473 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the blood, you mentioned you know 474 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: how she was acting right afterwards. You this was not 475 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: a planned event, you know, it was in my mind's eye. 476 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: I'm just an amateur at this. I don't I'm not 477 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: a cop, I'm not a detective or a lawyer. But 478 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: the way she was acting afterwards, you know, a lot 479 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: she admitted I did it. It was an accident. We 480 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: were fighting, okay, gotcha. Two months after this, eight weeks after, 481 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: she is so bloody and standing there in front of 482 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: the cops saying, I just killed my boyfriend. Oh my goodness. 483 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: Well she didn't know he was dead as they wheeled 484 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: him out, but they everybody else did. They knew he's 485 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: not going to make it. I couldn't from the amount 486 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: of blood he was losing. Which I'm so glad you 487 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: explained that earlier, Joe, because I've talked to this a 488 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: number of people about how could one knife wound there 489 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 2: at your collarbone really cause all this? And I'm so 490 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: thankful for that because I didn't know. But two months later, 491 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: Courtney is with her parents in Texas and in this 492 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: Texas neighborhood regular not the Florida high rise she's living in, 493 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: but just a regular family neighborhood. She actually gets she 494 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: has run in with the law, and according to deputies 495 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: on the scene in Travis County, Texas, which is the 496 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: Austin area, they respond to an incident with Courtney clenty 497 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: eight weeks after the murder of her boyfriend or eighteen 498 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: year old boy said he was walking in the neighborhood 499 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: when he was approached by a woman who was walking 500 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: her dogs and who told him she was drunk. She 501 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: approaches This is what the father says. Jovon is the 502 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: kid's name. He's eighteen years old. His dad says, she 503 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: approached him, what my son said, visibly intoxicated, and she's like, hey, 504 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: what's your name. The woman is Courtney Clinny, who the 505 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: teen didn't know. She requested that he walk home with her. 506 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: He agrees because he's eighteen years old and she's hot, 507 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: and she starts making sexual advances towards him. He's eighteen. 508 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: He's not ready for this. He was thinking, I'm gonna 509 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: walk this cute drunk girl home, but she takes it 510 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: a step further, and a step further, and a step further, 511 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: to the point where she's putting physical moves on him. 512 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 2: She doesn't know this guy, Joe. They just met walking 513 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: on the street. She's walking her dogs. She's saying kiss me, 514 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I don't know you. If you 515 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: don't kiss me, I'm gonna burn your house down. 516 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: Holy smokes. 517 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: That's what Courtney Clinnie told his eighteen year old She 518 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: just met in her parents neighborhood, and I burned that 519 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: blank down. So that's why they called deputies. The team, 520 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: you know, wasn't really interested in doing anything else with her. 521 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: And when the cops showed up, Clinty Courtney Clinny then 522 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: freaks out. She shoves his father, physically attacks him. He 523 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: shoves her back, calls police, deputy show up, She's freaking out. 524 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: This became a total bruja haa between Courtney Clinney, a 525 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: dad and his eighteen year old son in their nice, 526 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: quiet family neighborhood because she's out drunk, walking dogs and 527 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: hitting on an eighteen year old guy. So there you 528 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 2: have it. 529 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I'm wondering how if this is going to 530 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: factor in and if this will be factored in in 531 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: the case in Florida. More than likely it won't. But 532 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: if you're looking at this case to try to understand 533 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: perhaps behavior patterns, huh, this is kind of this is 534 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that it's kind of significant perhaps, and and 535 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: we're not this is not a one off event because 536 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: if you go back obviously to that violent night that 537 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: into Christian's life, and then extend back to all these 538 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: other domestic beefs that occurred at that location, including that 539 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: thing that has witnessed on the CCTV in the elevator. 540 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: It could be a portent of things to come. I'm 541 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body bags.