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Speaker 2: So here we are. But we're not just here for

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Speaker 1: We're here for the man that makes the gym kind

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Speaker 2: People as well. It's one of the best trainers and

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Speaker 4: It's up, guys, Thanks for stopping.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, Eric, We've wanted to do this for

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Speaker 6: Good to have you guys in. I think BC was

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Speaker 1: Right, No, he got real mad at me because I

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Speaker 2: We had the big high of the Shan Strucklin final.

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Speaker 6: We've been together for a long time, and the fights

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Speaker 6: We're doing some good things and when it when it,

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Speaker 5: What has been the dynamic like between them, because obviously,

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Speaker 6: And it's you know, Francis will listen to you, but

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about how much of an uphill climate is, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like you don't get to be

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Speaker 6: you know, how do you cut the It's not an

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Speaker 6: So it's been it's been very different. It's been very

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Speaker 3: He didn't fumble the bag. You did not fumble the

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Speaker 6: Go out there and make your money, and let's go

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Speaker 1: What's the what number is higher the number of Francis's

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's an accurate statement or a professional

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Speaker 4: Just to be fair, I'm actually I might be able

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Speaker 5: To be tough enough, you were going to be out

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Speaker 3: Was this more never really kind of had a vision

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Speaker 6: I felt like I really was missing the team aspect,

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Speaker 3: The original locker.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of like what you do with the gym,

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Speaker 6: So when I first took over as Jim manager, I've

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Speaker 4: I remember that him asking.

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Speaker 4: We're doing a lot of great things in this room.

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Speaker 6: We haven't gotten to this standard that he once said

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Speaker 6: And you know, it was really Robert for me and

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Speaker 4: And we've just been carrying that torch.

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Speaker 6: I knew Robert probably three years prior to that. I

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Speaker 4: Like people would.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think I was.

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Speaker 6: I talked to Robert's brother a lot about these situations,

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Speaker 1: And give us a sense like it sounds like he

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Speaker 6: I think I think he had a father figure role

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Speaker 6: being said, it started to change I think a little

446
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,959
Speaker 6: bit of False's ideologies and the way that he presented

447
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,280
Speaker 6: himself to us again, and that's when we started, like

448
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,600
Speaker 6: myself and Dennis would would really try to pull them,

449
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,879
Speaker 6: pull them back into like hey man, I think you

450
00:17:58,920 --> 00:17:59,480
Speaker 6: need some help.

451
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,119
Speaker 4: I think we need to sit down. I think we

452
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,680
Speaker 4: need to get away from the booze. You know Danny Davis,

453
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,480
Speaker 4: Danny was his roommate all those times. Hey man, I

454
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 4: think we need to get you some help.

455
00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,120
Speaker 6: And it just became a slippery slope, I think when

456
00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,200
Speaker 6: it came to the alcohol. You know, there was practices.

457
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 6: You would show up and you can tell you hadn't

458
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 6: been sleeping. He'd be working graveyard, doing some private security stuff.

459
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 6: And then but you can smell it on him, you know,

460
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,960
Speaker 6: And and and those those times, I think, for me

461
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,960
Speaker 6: looking back, reminded me a lot of issues that I

462
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,880
Speaker 6: had of my own, my own dad and his alcoholisms,

463
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,960
Speaker 6: and seeing him that way, I would I would immediately

464
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,439
Speaker 6: turn defensive, you know. So it was it was a

465
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 6: lot for all of us, all of us, you know,

466
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 6: during that time. And you know, we try to get

467
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,199
Speaker 6: him as much help as we could. But you can

468
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,800
Speaker 6: only do so much when it's a grown man.

469
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,959
Speaker 2: They don't if they don't want it.

470
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,120
Speaker 3: You didn't want it, you know, you can't.

471
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,360
Speaker 2: There's only so much you can do.

472
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:49,680
Speaker 4: Yep.

473
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,400
Speaker 5: Did you feel ready to take an even bigger leadership

474
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:52,920
Speaker 5: role after that?

475
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,159
Speaker 3: What did it feel like the time for you to?

476
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,440
Speaker 6: I did, and in a lot of ways, because I

477
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 6: felt like it was just necessary that moment, I knew that, Like.

478
00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 2: It sounds like what you're saying is I'm sorry to

479
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 2: cut you off. It'snds like what you're saying is performance.

480
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 1: Had been declining with his mental decline as well.

481
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,239
Speaker 6: A little bit, I think guys started to wonder, like,

482
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,479
Speaker 6: where's where's Robert, where's coach follow us at Like he's

483
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 6: supposed to be at this practice, he's not this practice

484
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 6: he's supposed to be doing this, or he needs time off,

485
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 6: and you know, all the while we just knew that,

486
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 6: like we understood, like we knew that what he was

487
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 6: going through. So if you need a time off, we're

488
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,360
Speaker 6: gonna give him time off.

489
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 4: If you need to get away, okay, we're gonna let

490
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 4: him get away.

491
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 6: But he was also in a lot of ways, he

492
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 6: wasn't present for the fighters that were here that we

493
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 6: needed him here. So we started to fill in those

494
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 6: those spaces. I guess as time would go on, you know,

495
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 6: and yeah, it was, it was. It was a situation

496
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 6: when when it all happened, it was like we don't

497
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 6: have a choice. Our choice is now time to step up?

498
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 4: You know how.

499
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: How devastating was the impact?

500
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Speaker 1: You know, I always think about Kevin Lee, and I know,

501
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin would probably look back on his own

502
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 1: career and say things like he he could have made

503
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 1: some different choices.

504
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 2: Here or there.

505
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: But it also seems to me that he had a

506
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: real unique bond with Robert Fallis.

507
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I don't know. If he ever found again.

508
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 4: I would say that's very accurate, you know.

509
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 6: And the hard part was, I think for I'll say

510
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 6: this from my perspective with Kevin Is.

511
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 4: Kevin and I were always very close.

512
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 6: But we were very close because we were students under Robert,

513
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 6: and then when Robert passed, I became that role. But

514
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 6: I can never fill Fallis's role for him, and that

515
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 6: was never what I wanted to do.

516
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 4: I wanted to be there.

517
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 6: For him as like more of as a teammate and

518
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 6: more as a friend. And when you would go into

519
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,199
Speaker 6: corners or you would say something to Kevin, he wouldn't

520
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 6: look at you the same way you look at Robert.

521
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 6: He would look at you as like my teammates, my friend,

522
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 6: And it was.

523
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: Never a disrespect thing.

524
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 6: It's just like I hadn't earned that respect from him

525
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 6: the same way Robert has over the years. I did,

526
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 6: you know, But it took a while for him, and

527
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 6: I think I remember telling him that. I was like, hey, bro,

528
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 6: no one's ever going to replace Robert, no one but

529
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 6: you to allow people in to help you try to

530
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 6: accomplish the same goals that Robert wanted for you. And

531
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 6: Robert believed wholeheartedly that Kevin Lee would have been world champion.

532
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 6: And that was a lot of.

533
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: Time, So did we, you know? For I remember when

534
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: he beat Musta five.

535
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, and then the Gregor Gillespie wins,

536
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: there are two wins.

537
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 2: You're like, damn, dude, these are good asses.

538
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

539
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

540
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 6: The Edson Barboza win jumps out to me like, man,

541
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 6: just the way he just went out and just dominated,

542
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 6: you know.

543
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: And that was after fall Us had passed, you know.

544
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Speaker 5: So well, I'm interested in and is there a moment

545
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 5: in this transition for you where you went from first

546
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 5: gym member there to take in a little bit seriously

547
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 5: the mindset of maybe I could be a coach? What

548
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 5: what triggered that change? Where what decided that you're in

549
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 5: this chair right now?

550
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: Ultimately it was.

551
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 4: It was It was Robert, I mean it really was.

552
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 6: We were in we were in Kansas City and Robert

553
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 6: was cornering Tim Elliott. I was cornering Roy Nelson, and

554
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 6: I remember having an old Fashioned with Robert and he

555
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 6: just said it. He's like, he looked at me and said, man,

556
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 6: you have a gift of leadership that not many people have.

557
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 6: And he goes, I don't feel like I have that

558
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 6: same gift like you do. And I'll never forget the

559
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 6: way he described it to me. He said, when your

560
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 6: skill level catches up to your leadership level, you're gonna

561
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 6: be one of the greatest coaches ever do it. That

562
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 6: was over an old Fashioned and we sat there and

563
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 6: you know, it was pumps out here.

564
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it was.

565
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 6: It was and I felt it. I felt it when

566
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 6: he said it, you know, and it was like a

567
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 6: big brother moment. And now I'll never forget that. I

568
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 6: talked to Rick, his brother all the time, and I'll

569
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 6: never forget that. The moment I won Coach of the

570
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 6: Year for MMA Junkie, I didn't call anybody first.

571
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: I called Rick. I didn't call my wife, and I

572
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: didn't call my mom.

573
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 6: I called Rick and I said, hey, man, you know,

574
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 6: I know Robert would be happy about this.

575
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: That's great.

576
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: Interested Randy Couture the name on the gym, one of

577
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 5: my look a true American hero, one of my favorites

578
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: of all time.

579
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Speaker 3: For sure. He played some role in your you getting

580
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: to this point.

581
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 5: Specifically, what do you what kind of wisdom do you

582
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 5: take from the from the from the natural man?

583
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 6: We were talking about that today and I got to

584
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 6: see him yesterday. It's it's so surreal when Randy Gatore

585
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 6: pops in your office and just chops.

586
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: It up with you, right.

587
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 6: And I got a little emotional when I saw him

588
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 6: yesterday because you know, it's it was it was because

589
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 6: of him in the very beginning of him believing in me.

590
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 6: Is on such an early age of hey man, I

591
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 6: want you to take over this gym, I want you

592
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 6: to run this I want you to run the day

593
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 6: to days. Well before I ever saw it, was like him,

594
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 6: and falls saw this thing in me that I didn't

595
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 6: really see at the time myself. And to be able

596
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 6: to pick up the phone and call a guy like

597
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 6: Randy if you have a question about cage awareness, question

598
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 6: about you know, ground and pound or any of this stuff,

599
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 6: marital advice. I wouldn't take merrial advice from him all

600
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 6: the time, but definitely, definitely when it comes to the

601
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 6: M M A stuff, And yeah, BC man, it's a

602
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 6: it's a pretty cool journey. And I know when I

603
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 6: was talking to my office, I was I was getting emotional.

604
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 6: I was getting teared up because I just, hey man,

605
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 6: without you, I know, I'm not here, and being able

606
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 6: to have you as a resource has just been such

607
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 6: an ungoidly commodity that I could never I could never

608
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 6: just replace.

609
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something he said, which

610
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: is sort of talking about your journey through all these

611
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: different narratives. Do you have any competitive pro or amateur fights?

612
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 4: Zero?

613
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: Okay, So tell tell me why you didn't find Like,

614
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: what is your reason for why you never wanted to

615
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: or ultimately did not choose to.

616
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: Sure.

617
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 6: So, Dennis Davis was getting ready for a fight at

618
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 6: the Riviera Hotel here and.

619
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 4: I was training with him a bunch.

620
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 6: The matchmaker came in to check in on him, and

621
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 6: the matchmaker sees me training with Dennis and says, hey, man,

622
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 6: would you be interested in taking a fight. At the time,

623
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 6: there was no amateur fights, there's nothing amateur. You just

624
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 6: turned pro.

625
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 4: And I said, sure, I would definitely be interested. Who

626
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: is it?

627
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 6: He said, Ryan Bater so I know Ryan Bater he

628
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 6: played up mc queen up in Reno. I played it,

629
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 6: you know Green Valley here. I was a year I

630
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 6: think a year older than him and go home. My

631
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 6: wife is about this pregnant with my first daughter. He said, Hey, babe,

632
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 6: I got offered a fight. I was thinking about taking it.

633
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 6: It's like two thousand dollars. She says, are you out

634
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 6: of your fucking mind? Why would you go to Why

635
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 6: would you do that? I was like, well, I don't know.

636
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 6: Like I train every day, I spar I'm with the guys,

637
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 6: I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

638
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: Like why not?

639
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: Like like why not?

640
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: See?

641
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 6: She goes, do you see yourself wanting to navigate yourself

642
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 6: all the way to the UFC and make okay money?

643
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: And is this what you really want?

644
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 6: And I was right in the middle of the hiring

645
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 6: process for City of Las Vegas, the City North Las

646
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 6: Vegas Fire Department. And she goes, so, now you're just

647
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 6: gonna go and take a fight where this dude's probably

648
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 6: gonna spike you on your head and paralyze you. She goes, No,

649
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 6: I'm pregnant, We're having a baby. You're in the middle

650
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 6: of going to the fire academy.

651
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: You're not taking this fight?

652
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: Is that where you always saw yourself like when you

653
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: finished college?

654
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: Because you know, there are.

655
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: Some types who like, I'm gonna try and make a

656
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: practice squad or you know, I know, because you know,

657
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, a couple of coffee, you can't

658
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: stop doing.

659
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: That was but that's skits and bits.

660
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, I went to a one double

661
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: A school, so I saw a bunch of guys who

662
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: tried to make practice squads. Sounds like that was never

663
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: on your mind. So what did you imagine you were

664
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: going to do back in Vegas before that? Like why

665
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: did you envision your life going?

666
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: And how and how long until stripping was in vision?

667
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 6: I mean that that was always you know, I just

668
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 6: just moonlighted in the stripping aspect.

669
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 4: It was make a couple of bucks here and there,

670
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: you know.

671
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was it was something for me when I

672
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 6: started bartending, the bartending side of things I really saw

673
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 6: as a slippery slope in the Vegas nightlife. At twenty

674
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: four to seven, you had access to anything and everything

675
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 6: that you wanted, and I just hated where I.

676
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: Felt like my life was going to end up and

677
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't.

678
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 6: I don't like saying this because I have a lot

679
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 6: of people I respect in the industry, but I would

680
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 6: start to see where they were and where their outs were,

681
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 6: and they didn't have very many. They were stuck in

682
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 6: this nightlife industry, especially.

683
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: In Las Vegas especially, you don't see that.

684
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: You'll see like people in their fifties still serving bar

685
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. You don't see that as

686
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: like in New York nearly as much exactly.

687
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 6: And granted, you can make a lot of good money

688
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 6: and you can make it a career. And it got

689
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 6: to that point where you know, I utilize the service

690
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: industry to make a good living for me, but I

691
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 6: wanted to pivot to something else, and.

692
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: That was going to be the fire department.

693
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 6: I got hired by City of North Las Vegas and

694
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 6: City of Las Vegas on the same hiring test out

695
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 6: of six thousand people, I was number two on the

696
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 6: list I get hired. I scored a ninety eight. Get

697
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 6: hired on by both departments. I get a pick between

698
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 6: whichever department I want. City of North Fast Vegas has

699
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 6: taken only ninety fives In above. City of Las Vegas

700
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 6: has taken nineties and above. So wherever I want to go,

701
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 6: I can take it. I do my background investigation. And

702
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 6: the fight that I got into when I was in

703
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 6: Reno and the dorms pops.

704
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: Up on my thing. I talked to my lawyer at

705
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: the time.

706
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 6: I said, hey, he goes, you don't even have to

707
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 6: put it. It's long gone, it's sealed, expongent. It ends

708
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 6: up becoming a disturbing the piece. It's not even on

709
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 6: your record. I talked to my hiring chief, and my

710
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 6: hiring chief says, you need to put it down there

711
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 6: because this is an FBI background check. If they find

712
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 6: anything you lie about, you're automatically off.

713
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: So I put it in.

714
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 6: I put everything down, and you know, I go to

715
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 6: my background investigation and they said, we can't hire. You

716
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 6: can't hire you for that fight you got in. So

717
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 6: right then and there, I didn't know I was. I

718
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 6: was at a loss, I really was. I did not

719
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 6: know what the hell I was going to do.

720
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: And so your career path gets stuffed because of a fight,

721
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: Yet you pivot in to fight it to the fighting

722
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: where you are on top of the game.

723
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: Thankfully, that was it. Randy said, he goes, I got

724
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: a job for it.

725
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: Isn't it ironic?

726
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: Don't you think a little too ironic?

727
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: Right?

728
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 5: I mean, that is an incredible transformation. So when I

729
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 5: look at the cool factors of the job you have it,

730
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's so much more behind the scenes of

731
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: molding minds and seeing the progress.

732
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: Are we not asked me about the fight in the dorms?

733
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know what. Pause and let's get right

734
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: back in there.

735
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Thank you tell us about the fight in the dorms.

736
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty stupid. I

737
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 6: uh so. I was a year of college with my

738
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: freshman year. Freshman, I've already been worn numerous times. I

739
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: was basically on double secret probation. Like you do anything else,

740
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 6: you're getting getting kicked out. I'm I'm heading back to

741
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 6: the dorms.

742
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: I was.

743
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 6: I was semi dating this girl at the time and

744
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 6: ended up getting into a fight with a gentleman that

745
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 6: she was kind of talking to as well, and ended

746
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 6: up hitting them with a microwave.

747
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: This is my dream to hit me.

748
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it got ugly. It got ugly.

749
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 6: And then on the way out it didn't help that

750
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 6: I hurled a lightsole.

751
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: Can at him on the way out.

752
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: Oh, yeap.

753
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 6: So that got ugly and then I ended up going

754
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 6: down to the first floor and kind of hiding out,

755
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 6: and he wrangled up all of his friends, and about

756
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 6: twelve angry mob guys came and I had a luing

757
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 6: a baseball bat.

758
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: I said, all right, here's that gonna go down.

759
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 6: Guys, I'm gonna crack at least two of you this bat.

760
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: And then you guys probably jumped me in have your

761
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 6: way with me. But two of you guys get hit

762
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: with this baseball bat.

763
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: None of them stepped up so with you.

764
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: If you had done that at Temple, you would have

765
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: had Temple University people would have taken you up.

766
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: On your challenge.

767
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, they knuckle up early.

768
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I'm not so sure.

769
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in hindsight.

770
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

771
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: I went to jail, got you, got cuffed and everything.

772
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got cuffed.

773
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Have you ever been cuffed?

774
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: I have not been cuffed. I can't cuff.

775
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: I've never been cuffed.

776
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: At that time, you tried to solicit. They got you.

777
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: Anyway.

778
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: What I was gonna say in the can you give

779
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: me the directions to the interstate sir? Yeah, there you go.

780
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

781
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: When I look at that this this transition, I was

782
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 5: gonna say that molding the mind, seeing progress has got

783
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 5: to be big. But the fight night buzz, which even

784
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 5: as journalists when you sit front row, I mean, it's

785
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 5: it's the drug that keeps us in the job.

786
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: It's the drug that keeps the fighters in the job.

787
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: What is that drug like through the lens of head

788
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: coach and at the at the highest level in this game.

789
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 6: Guys, it's so hard to explain, man, it really is.

790
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 6: It's it's it's the It's the most comfortable space I've

791
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: ever been in my life. You know, I think a

792
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 6: lot of us I suffer from anxiety. I hate the

793
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 6: big crowd, I hate all this stuff. Like We're at

794
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 6: a football game last week and I was freaking out

795
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 6: because it's just there too many people. Is it just

796
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 6: a whole situation? And and that that walk, that minute

797
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 6: on the stool, that time in the corner. I'd never

798
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: have felt more comfortable in my entire life. It's just

799
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's where.

800
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: I belong and there's time slow down.

801
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: It does, it really does.

802
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 6: You don't there's very very few distractions. You kind of

803
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 6: really do get that tunnel vision in that moment.

804
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: Do you do a lot of yelling.

805
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: I don't try to yell a lot. Depending on the situation,

806
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 6: I like to.

807
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: I like to let my guy fight or grow fight.

808
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: I like I like to.

809
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 6: I like to watch them, and then if there's things

810
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: of urgency, that's when you'll hear me yell.

811
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: But I'm not a.

812
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 6: Big I'm not a big guy who wants to scream

813
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 6: from from bell to bell. I see coaches that do

814
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 6: do that. I think it doesn't allow the fighter to

815
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 6: understand when something might be urgent in that moment. But

816
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 6: if I talk to you the way i'm talking to

817
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 6: you now and just asking you, hey, man, I need

818
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 6: you to stick your jab or read this or do this,

819
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 6: then you're.

820
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: Okay, you're calm, you're cool, you're collect. I'm calm and

821
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: cool collect.

822
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 6: But the moment I started yelling Luke, I need you

823
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 6: to do this, mom, then you know, hey, he's telling

824
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: me something because it's urgent.

825
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: Actually, i'd block it out. I'd be like, dad, stop,

826
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: it's not dad, But I understand it.

827
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

828
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right answer is, but I

829
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 1: guess the question I would ask as a follow up

830
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: is what would you say is commonly your emotional state.

831
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: In the middle of a round.

832
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: I think I was.

833
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 6: I was talking to you about it and the Sean

834
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 6: Strickland fight. I was trying to get nervous. I legit

835
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: was like, I I don't.

836
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: Have like I should be nervous right now, and I wasn't.

837
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 6: It really was a moment of just like I felt

838
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 6: like time kind of slowed down in that fight.

839
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: It was it was really crazy.

840
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 6: And I don't know if that's like it's a good

841
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 6: thing or it was a bad thing. I don't know,

842
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 6: but I really relished in that moment. I really enjoyed

843
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 6: that moment. Was like, oh, I'm good here, We're only

844
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: a six to one underdog. Let's go let's go out

845
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 6: and you know, let's see what we can do here.

846
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: Well, this has got to be such an incredible moment

847
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: in your career.

848
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: And I know you recently chatted with Luke on Morning

849
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 5: Combat about how Sean did that, and it just you

850
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 5: look from the planning to the execution.

851
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: It was a I felt it.

852
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 5: It was a moment, But hindsight is twenty twenty when

853
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 5: you look back at the build to that great fight Strickland,

854
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: the upset heard around the world.

855
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: Do you see anything? And is he where you go? Ooh?

856
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: That was a warning sign or I thought I put

857
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: that in the back of my mind. And now that

858
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 5: the performance happened the way it did and you guys

859
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: executing to perfection.

860
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: And the title changed hands, did did anything surprise you're.

861
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: Looking back on that.

862
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 6: I thought it was going to be a war. I

863
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 6: mean I really did. I thought it was going to

864
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 6: be a you know, you and I talked about this.

865
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 6: I mean, damn, is he's good. I mean, he's He's unbelievable.

866
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: And I think people give us a lot of credit

867
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: on the game plan side of things. It's Sean's pressure,

868
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 6: the way Sean fights you, the pressure that he puts

869
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 6: on people, that's inherent in his game. It was our

870
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 6: job to try to kind of just keep him in

871
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: those little corner posts there and then reset the cage

872
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 6: better and not chase after this little thing, right, because

873
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 6: with Sean, if you give that man too much bandwidth,

874
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 6: the Wi Fi just goes broke, right, So you just

875
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 6: got to you gotta coach him in increments, small little

876
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 6: things here here or there, and then when we would

877
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 6: get them where we would have a pad session or

878
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 6: a workout in the cage, and you would tell him like, hey,

879
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 6: this is important that you understand if you do this,

880
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 6: this is the consequence of that.

881
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: And he understood all the little things.

882
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 6: So with Izzy, I feel like he just was stuck

883
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 6: in the mud because of the style of Sean.

884
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: Strainger, but because you're almost keeping him behind that warning

885
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 5: track line the entire stretch of.

886
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 4: The face, that's that's what you got.

887
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: And we talked about this before when Prayer beat him

888
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 6: in the first fight. We did a breakdown with Spencer E.

889
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 6: Kite with the UFC and that was that was the

890
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 6: breakdown was how does Prayer be easy? And you have

891
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 6: to wrangle him into the corner posts of the cage

892
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: and there's some things that I thought he did really

893
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 6: well there. Now fight two is he baited him over there,

894
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 6: probably because he saw a holor and opening that he

895
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 6: can he can capitalize on with the overhand, right, So

896
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 6: there was a definite chess match there, and I think

897
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 6: that he said, Okay, I'm okay doing this now with

898
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 6: Sean because of that chess match, and I can catch

899
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 6: him with that overhand and he just couldn't find him

900
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 6: with it.

901
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: How long does it take to get where you're at.

902
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Where I mean, how many guys would you say you

903
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: corner in a year?

904
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: Oh, good question. I'm probably thirty or forty.

905
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I'm trying to understand.

906
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Shawn's your guy, Dan, he gets your guy. Then I

907
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: could go on a list of a bunch. How do

908
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: you decide who is and who isn't? Because and I

909
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: don't mean like they don't make the cut. You're one person.

910
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: There's twenty four hours in a day, like there is

911
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: a logistical limit.

912
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: What is that process?

913
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: Man?

914
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 6: It's it's it's tough, and there's there's people that I

915
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 6: feel like if you don't connect on a certain level

916
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 6: ideology on meeting at like certain times and getting you know,

917
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 6: it can come down to scheduling. Right, then you start

918
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 6: spreading yourself too thin. And not only you spread yourself

919
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 6: too thin, the productn't isn't as good, right, you don't

920
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 6: get enough time. And for me, it's my tape study,

921
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 6: it's my it's my breakdowns, it's my game planning, it's

922
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 6: things like that. If I'm not doing that at the

923
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 6: highest capacity that I can for each and every guy,

924
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 6: then I need to start trimming some of the fat.

925
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 6: Who do you trim the fat from? You know, there's

926
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 6: there's guy it's like, hey, this guy shows up only

927
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 6: for training camp. You can't grow with that guy outside

928
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 6: of camp. Well somebody like that. Sorry, man, if you're

929
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 6: not here during the off season, we don't have any growth.

930
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 6: We're just coming in for to train and there's no

931
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: errors that we can correct. I can't work with you

932
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 6: any longer. Or here's some ideas that guys you can

933
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 6: work with in our gym. You can still stay in

934
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 6: our pro practice or do those things. That's the beauty

935
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 6: about having the big gym that we have and the accomplished.

936
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: Amount of coaches that we have. It's not just me.

937
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 6: Guys can work with Dennis and Ray and everybody else

938
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: in the room.

939
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: And get quality coaching and it helps everybody across the board.

940
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: So who would like I'm not asking for a power ranking,

941
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: but besides Sean and Dan, who have you been working.

942
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: With the longest? Brad the top three.

943
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 6: Brad Tavares, Dan probably the most amount of fights, Jeremy Kennedy, Kennedy.

944
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 4: Getting up there with Kay Kamaka Poon.

945
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 6: It's high guarter, but definitely Brad Brad Brad's number one.

946
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: How's you got wink up here?

947
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: Training partners? I was, I was Tim Boach.

948
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: I was the Barbarian.

949
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: I was the Barbarian and.

950
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Tim Bouch used to walk out with the conan the

951
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: Barbarian song, the hardest coldest walkout in all of m

952
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: m A.

953
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: Sorry, so great, so great.

954
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: So it's funny because you know, Brad just brought me

955
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 6: my check from the last fight, and it was it

956
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 6: was addressed to Tim Boach.

957
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: That was That was the joke.

958
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: So yeah, I've been I've been Brad tim Boach for

959
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 6: a long time and uh, that was the first first

960
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: fight I cornered Brad for was was Tim Boach.

961
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: I was there with him and then been with him

962
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: ever since.

963
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: I only missed one fight was his last fight against

964
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 6: uh Bruno Silva. I was in Hawaii. I had Kai

965
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 6: and Rofon Stoughts there. So that was that one hurt

966
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 6: not being here for for Brad. You know, I'm not

967
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 6: it was it was very weird for me to see

968
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 6: him fight and me not be there.

969
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: All right, the highest of highs are when you're lucky

970
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: enough to be with somebody who wins a world title

971
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 5: and that's happened a.

972
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Few times with you.

973
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: You're growing, you're building a resume here that people are

974
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: taking notice of. But the lowest of low's when you

975
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: care that much and you can't fight for them and

976
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 5: they're trying their best and it goes disastrous. How hard

977
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 5: is that when you sometimes are playing father figure to

978
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 5: some of these guys.

979
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 6: It's the most difficult thing I think you can deal

980
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: with at this level of coaching, because especially when it

981
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 6: comes from guys.

982
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 4: And I'll use Ega as an example.

983
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 6: A guy who checks all the boxes, the guy who

984
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 6: leaves zero comes behind.

985
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: He's not cutting corners, He's not.

986
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: He's doing everything right when it comes to his mental state,

987
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 6: his health, his weight cut, his training, every little thing

988
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 6: he does, and sometimes you come up short does when

989
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 6: it hurts. Those are the ones it sucks because you know,

990
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 6: it might be a skill based thing, like we fought

991
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 6: evil of like kid was better than us, Like kid

992
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 6: was just flat out better than us. But I still

993
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 6: believe Dan has the skill set and the tools.

994
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 4: To go be the guy like that. You know. Josh

995
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 4: Emmett again, another great fight, close fight, very close fight.

996
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: Some people had Dan win in that fight.

997
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 6: Again, we just didn't get over the hump on certain

998
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 6: little things like that.

999
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: Those ones always bug you.

1000
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 5: Man.

1001
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: You go home and you lose a little bit of

1002
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: sleep on those ones.

1003
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: All right, Well, your job can be all encompassing where

1004
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 5: obviously it's fight planning, it's tape study, it's teaching and

1005
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: improving upon skill sets, but it's also psychological mental counseling.

1006
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: You can feel like family to them all of that.

1007
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 5: When you hear, for example, Sean Strickland in the post

1008
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 5: fight press conference say, I don't know if I'd be

1009
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 5: here without Eric Nixon because he kind of just keeps

1010
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 5: me from going over the line and fighting too crazy

1011
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 5: or acting too crazy outside the cage. How do you

1012
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 5: explain what that feels like when you're having when you

1013
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 5: know you're having an impact on these athletes true lives

1014
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: in the direction of their arc as people. In addition

1015
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 5: to hey, man, you should have wrestled more in round

1016
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 5: three and we.

1017
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: Could have got the win.

1018
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 6: It's amazing in the regards of you feel like the

1019
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 6: time and effort that you're putting in with somebody is

1020
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 6: actually working and we're all family man here, and the

1021
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 6: time that you take away from your family, they're robbed

1022
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 6: at that time, they're never going to get that time back.

1023
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 6: But when it's put into somebody else and it reciprocates back,

1024
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 6: or they're winning, or they're doing the right things, and

1025
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 6: they're taking care of you too, right like your time

1026
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 6: is worth money, your time and your effort, everything you're doing,

1027
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 6: you're bringing it back home. You're getting these awards and

1028
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 6: getting those accolades, and you're seeing the fact that that

1029
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: they care, that your fighters care just as much as

1030
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 6: you do. That's when you see just it all kind

1031
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: of come together. And when for Sean, we talked about

1032
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 6: this quite a bit. He's a guy that I think

1033
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 6: you and I were on a phone call about this

1034
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 6: one time. You understand a little bit more about his past,

1035
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 6: it helps you understand how on how to approach him

1036
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: a little bit differently. I don't agree with everything that

1037
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 6: he says. I don't agree with them or anything the

1038
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 6: guy says. But I know that we can make him better,

1039
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 6: and I know that at the end of his career

1040
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 6: that I am going to leave a better I'm going

1041
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 6: to leave him a better human being, right and hopefully

1042
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 6: a better husband and a better father down the line.

1043
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 6: And that I think for me has become something that

1044
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 6: I'm very passionate about. Is leaven these men and women

1045
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 6: off better than you found them. Yes, you want to

1046
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 6: make better fighters, but better human beings.

1047
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask a question about this, and I don't

1048
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: have a good answer. Something I think about all the time.

1049
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: It's like, first of all, you can't run a high

1050
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: level MMA gym and then do ideological purity tests.

1051
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: We'll go out of business tomorrow.

1052
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: It just won't work.

1053
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: But more than that, here's one thing I think about it,

1054
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: and I really don't know what the answer is because

1055
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing the two as identical. I hope you

1056
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: understand IM going to make a comparison with Sean, but

1057
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that these are the same things. But

1058
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: I think about someone like Sean who had a really

1059
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: fucked up background. I think about somebody like Jervonte Davis,

1060
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: who I know if you're familiar with his details, grew

1061
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: up an extraordinary poverty, complete abandonment issues. I mean literally

1062
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: literally abandoned for long stretches of time. It's like, how

1063
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: are these guys supposed to achieve enlightenment having these life journeys.

1064
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to that is, but

1065
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, they do polarizing shit

1066
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: and it's hard to stomach. I don't know what to

1067
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: say about that, but I wonder what you make of it.

1068
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think of it a lot of times too,

1069
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: like growing up and having my dad as a mentor,

1070
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 6: but a football coach when you had a team of

1071
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 6: kids and people around, the sport brought everybody together, right,

1072
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: and it didn't matter race, creed, color, none of that

1073
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 6: mattered anymore. All that mattered was like the uniform or

1074
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: you know, working together to achieve a common goal. And

1075
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 6: I think that sometimes with people like Sean or even

1076
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 6: like you know, guys with that type of upbringing, it

1077
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 6: becomes about like self activization, giving them something that they

1078
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 6: feel a part of. And that was my main thing

1079
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 6: with Sean, was like, hey, let's give this guy a home.

1080
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 6: Let's give him something where he doesn't feel like he

1081
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 6: has to bounce around to five different gyms and teams

1082
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 6: because I'm.

1083
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: Just gonna break whatever here and I'm gonna go.

1084
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 6: To the next place and do that there. I don't know,

1085
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 6: you're good here, man.

1086
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: Like we're gonna give you a platform, We're gonna give

1087
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: you training partners. We're gonna give you some co We're.

1088
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: Gonna give you a little bit of love.

1089
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 6: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna go out

1090
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: and grab dinner. Right, We're gonna try to make you

1091
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 6: feel a part of this team and make.

1092
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 4: You feel like part of the leadership.

1093
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 6: Hey, Sean, can you can you run a wrestling practice

1094
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 6: for us?

1095
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: You want you want me to run one? Yeah? Man,

1096
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 4: run a wrestling practice?

1097
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, great, Now he feels a part of something, right,

1098
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 6: So that's been something for us over the years. I

1099
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: feel like we're you started to see him come out

1100
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 6: of his shell a little bit more and scream extreme

1101
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 6: coutore and how much he loves it here because ultimately

1102
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 6: this is his gym too.

1103
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: In terms of other high notes, we were discussing this.

1104
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Were you in the corner or the training camp for

1105
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Misha when she fought Holly?

1106
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: I was in the room, I was not in her

1107
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: I was not in the corner for it.

1108
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: Oh so Wikipedia has false information, bro.

1109
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a lot of weight information Wikipedia.

1110
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: Falsely they say that you were in the corner.

1111
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: No, I was not in the corner.

1112
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 6: That corner would have been fallless gif Caraway and I

1113
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 6: think this this guy Travis. We were all here for

1114
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 6: her for camp and we worked. Everybody worked with her

1115
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 6: for that stuff. But that was the main that was

1116
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 6: follow us in Gift for the mains.

1117
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: What would you say are the biggest nights in extreme

1118
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: coutur history. Randy beatating Tim That was so fucking big.

1119
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 6: Randy beating Tim, Randy beating Gabe Gonzaga.

1120
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Really.

1121
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: I remember, but he picked him up and dropped him

1122
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: on his fucking head.

1123
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: I crotched him, right.

1124
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1125
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 6: Now here's the thing about that was Randy was going

1126
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 6: through so much shit personal during that time, which is.

1127
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: Weird because he had this complete career renaissance.

1128
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 6: Right, and here's this guy who head kick Ko's the

1129
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: head kick Ko Killer or guy Miraco crow Cop, the

1130
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu guy who ultimately now has thrust it into

1131
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 6: this title fight with Randy, and Randy's going through all

1132
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 6: this shit at this time, and he's got to defend

1133
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: his belt against this animal and then it goes out

1134
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 6: and just gets his arms shattered in the first round

1135
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 6: blocking a kick and then just dismantles this man and

1136
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 6: freaking right, So here's The best part about the story

1137
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 6: is Randy beats Tim Sylvia, I mean beats Gabe Gonzaga.

1138
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 6: Gabe comes and trains with us after so we're all

1139
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 6: going with Gabe Gonzaga now and I'm like, holy shit,

1140
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 6: like this guy is a monster and it just made

1141
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 6: you go, well, how good is the old man? This

1142
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 6: guy is kicking his ship out of all of us,

1143
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 6: and gave Gonzaga was the truth man. So yeah, that

1144
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 6: was a big one for us. I remember Forrest when

1145
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 6: Forrest won the title.

1146
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: He beat Page for that one. Wow, Yes, that was

1147
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: a big one Forrest.

1148
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: Twenty bucks tomorrow and Amasaki that night we watching. We're

1149
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: watching at a sushi bar in DC. By the way,

1150
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: yeah do this at the end of the Him and

1151
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: his brother are big DC guys.

1152
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: That forest out of here. That was. That was another

1153
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: big especially in the early ages.

1154
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: We should want against Holly because that was the fifth.

1155
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: That was the end of the fifth.

1156
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: That's among the most emotional dramatic wins in the history.

1157
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: Is so crazy, man like that one.

1158
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 6: That one was different in a lot of ways because

1159
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 6: Falls did such a good job of making it like

1160
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: a gym win.

1161
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: Right.

1162
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 6: It was like the members won everybody felt a part

1163
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 6: of that whole camp. They really did. And then Misha

1164
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 6: bringing the belt back to the gym and it was

1165
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 6: like that restart when you know, Shrinkutor had to tie

1166
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 6: and then it was like, oh shit, now what And

1167
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 6: that was the big meeting that we have where False

1168
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 6: is like I never forget this. He goes, do you

1169
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: guys just want to be okay at this or do

1170
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 6: you guys want.

1171
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: To win some fucking world titles?

1172
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 6: And everybody we want to win some fucking role titles, right,

1173
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 6: and then here comes Misha bringing that belt home and

1174
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 6: that was like, okay, we can do this again.

1175
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 4: Right, So that win.

1176
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 6: All of them feel so different at that time, but

1177
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 6: but that one there was like we're back, We're back.

1178
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: We can do this again.

1179
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right?

1180
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: Where where does Agano versus gone rank in the sweetness?

1181
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 5: Because you we've talked to you about it before at

1182
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: length of incredible journey and Ghana went through to get

1183
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 5: to that fight, to take on that fight.

1184
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: We were the only two.

1185
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: People in America who knew that Ghana was gonna wrestle

1186
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: that night. I just want to say that, but I

1187
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: mean that's kind of like, that's kinda feel so great

1188
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 5: when you look like.

1189
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: That one was awesome, and it was. It was. It

1190
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: was great in so many ways.

1191
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 6: It was obviously France is getting through the knee injury

1192
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 6: that we all told him, hey, bro, this is an

1193
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 6: awful idea to fight on this knee.

1194
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: He's like, now I'm good.

1195
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna go out and take this guy down,

1196
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 6: like what you know. And obviously the backstory with the

1197
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: with the former gym and Ferdinand and everything else. And

1198
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 6: I remember like Ferdinand like throwing strays at us and

1199
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 6: me and everybody like what the hell do we do?

1200
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: Like it's not even about us, you know, And it was.

1201
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: It was.

1202
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 6: It was very different in the regards that it just

1203
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 6: felt like it was like us, like our little group

1204
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 6: versus everybody, right, like we're we're against the UFC and

1205
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 6: their contract dispute, and then the Ferdinand and there's this,

1206
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 6: and there's the knee injury. So that whole lead up

1207
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 6: was just so much until we got to Anaheim. The

1208
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 6: moment we landed in Anaheim and we knew we were fighting.

1209
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, we're good to go, Like, let's

1210
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: do this, man. It was crazy.

1211
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 2: That was big.

1212
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 5: But in the in the moment he gets his hand raised,

1213
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 5: the decision is right.

1214
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: You had to believe that.

1215
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't believe what I just saw that.

1216
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 6: Lost it knowing we were down, you know, the first

1217
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 6: two rounds, and we needed something, you know, and you

1218
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 6: know that was that was Francis, man. It was just

1219
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 6: this foresight catching that kick, hitting the high crotch, taking

1220
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: him down the moment we got him down on the

1221
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 6: ground and getting to our routes. Right, and we're big

1222
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 6: on understanding heavyweight get ups get up differently, right, They're

1223
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: not technical underhooks and build up to a single legg

1224
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 6: They just go belly down and just burn and stand up, right,

1225
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 6: I mean that's kind of what they do. So when

1226
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 6: we worked on a lot of the routes, the killing

1227
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 6: of the bottom leg and getting to those those split

1228
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 6: and pin positions and doing all those things, I'm like,

1229
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 6: oh shit, onto something here. And then the round was

1230
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 6: over and I'm watching gone get up and the way

1231
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 6: that he was getting up, and then his body langers.

1232
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 6: I'm a big body language guy and I'm reading his

1233
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 6: body language and I'm watching I'm watching Francis get up

1234
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 6: and I look at it. Frances like, hey, look at

1235
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 6: that motherfucker and he's just my dude.

1236
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: We got him. We got him.

1237
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 6: So we got on the stool and I was like, hey,

1238
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 6: let's get right back to that wrestling.

1239
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: Man.

1240
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 6: If we can get this guy down again, we're going

1241
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 6: to even this up. You know, let's find another way

1242
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 6: to fit in. And he did, and that was that beautiful.

1243
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 6: I think he went like double the high crotch or

1244
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 6: back to a single and ran a knee tap or

1245
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 6: something had to dump on it and then held him

1246
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 6: down that whole round and then it was that two

1247
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 6: to two going into.

1248
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: Five legendary Knights.

1249
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 5: We always argue about the evolution of the sport and

1250
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 5: what is going to be the next breakthrough or the

1251
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 5: next trend. I mean, do you feel like you are

1252
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 5: one of these scientists in the lab literally trying to

1253
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: find that on a regular basis, you know what part

1254
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 5: of the NME game is not being overly utilized that

1255
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 5: could change it, like calf kicks, like like something like that.

1256
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 5: I mean, that's got to be a big part of

1257
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 5: what you do.

1258
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 6: I love and here's the thing for me, is man,

1259
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 6: you gotta enjoy watching Corey Sanhagen's of the World right

1260
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 6: you've got to enjoy breaking down Izzy and trying to

1261
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 6: find what he does with his faint game and Volkanowski

1262
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: like he's at the top of the level. And if

1263
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 6: you're a coach or a fighter and you're not taking

1264
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 6: the time to watch the guys at the highest level,

1265
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 6: at the pinnacle of the sport or coaches, or you're

1266
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 6: not investing in the dynamic strikings or the BJJ fanatics

1267
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 6: and just learning one or two little things from here

1268
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 6: on out, you're gonna get left behind because this game

1269
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 6: goes fast and it goes quick, and you like to

1270
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 6: be on the cutting edge of that of those things.

1271
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 6: But for me, it really has been the guys that

1272
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 6: have the ability to strike out of both stances.

1273
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: There's no more of that.

1274
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 6: Hey man, I'm only an orthodoxan, I'm only in South Park.

1275
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 6: You might be primarily there hit or miss, but when

1276
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 6: you see the fluidity of guys that are able to

1277
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 6: do it well from both stances, the Mickey Mantles of

1278
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 6: the world that can get on both sides of the.

1279
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: Plate and hit the ball, that's the big thing.

1280
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: Have you seen Boots Us at all in boxing?

1281
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fucking motherfucker with that, But let me

1282
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: challenge that if I may. If I'm may, I love

1283
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: it in the House of Nixic one thing that I

1284
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: get asked about, and I you know, this is just

1285
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: something that's kind of curious. Is like last week or

1286
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, at this point, we saw the

1287
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: performance of Jack de la Medealane Kyle Nelson on that

1288
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: card as well, And then you can also throw in

1289
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Shawn's performance against Izzy. And if there is a common denominator,

1290
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: it's not that they employ the same tactics. Rather that

1291
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: their central approach is they're going to build a house

1292
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: of defense first, primarily fundamentally, and then put weapons on

1293
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: the outside of it, Whereas I feel like a lot

1294
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: of MMA guys are like, here's all my weapons, and

1295
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: defense is very much an afterthought.

1296
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: It kept JDM safe against.

1297
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Kyle what's his name, Kevin Kevin, Kevin holland Kyle

1298
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Nelson had a great performance as well, Sean, Well, else

1299
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: can I.

1300
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 2: Say about it? But it was defense first?

1301
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: Is that the future?

1302
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 6: Maybe I think that's a great thing to look at,

1303
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 6: and especially because now let's let's let's pick apart the

1304
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 6: both sides of the stances. Things you can't switch stances

1305
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 6: if your defense is shitty off on one side, right,

1306
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 6: if you're a stance switched person, your defense comes first. Now,

1307
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 6: of course we love to see like the drop step

1308
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 6: and the high kicks and all these things, but if

1309
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 6: you can't defend yourself from there, there's no point of

1310
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 6: ever going over there. So I think it's a great

1311
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 6: point on your part, Luke, is these guys that are

1312
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 6: winning with very very sharp fundamentals and rock solid defense.

1313
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: Rock solid defense.

1314
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 6: Now, when you look at like the Stricklings of the world,

1315
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 6: they're relentless when it comes to their takedown defense. Their

1316
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 6: styles in the room are very different than most. He

1317
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: doesn't shrink to train, he doesn't do anything but spar

1318
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 6: and grapple. Right, So I can only say this antadotically

1319
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 6: just from what I see from Seawan, but I would

1320
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 6: imagine like these guys like JDM and Kyle are probably

1321
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 6: very similar to what Shawn's methods of madness are when

1322
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 6: it comes to the training. So that could be definitely

1323
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 6: something where I see. The one thing that I do

1324
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 6: like now, especially in the counter game, guys are getting

1325
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 6: better at building in their their counters within their defense.

1326
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 6: You're not seeing a big hiccup when you see like

1327
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 6: a catch and then a return that's like fluid in

1328
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: everything that they throw now, and their feet are coming

1329
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 6: with them, and then their defense stays sound and all

1330
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 6: those things. I see that in those three guys you're

1331
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 6: you're speaking of. So yeah, it definitely could be.

1332
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 5: I mean, somebody's going to discover the next breakthrough. Maybe

1333
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 5: it's the heart punch.

1334
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: Yah, maybe it's time.

1335
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: Them mock the dim monk. That's what they call it.

1336
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: We get.

1337
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 6: We get those cast of characters in her every once

1338
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 6: in a while, and it's.

1339
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: A field days.

1340
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: Please record that.

1341
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got in some trouble for the recordings of

1342
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Speaker 6: really yeah we got we gotten.

1343
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: A ton Let me just beat the shiput of some

1344
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: anti Semiti.

1345
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 4: Then we got some talking.

1346
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: To the lawyers, are like, well, okay, nice thing you

1347
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: did for the community.

1348
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 6: Was Lieutenant Aldo rain Or, I've been chewed out before,

1349
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: so we've done We've done some green lighting here a

1350
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 6: couple of times. We had a dead mock guy come

1351
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 6: in one time and asked us if he was allowed

1352
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 6: to do his pressure points, and I remember Dennis Davis

1353
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 6: Lear and he goes, you can do it with a

1354
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 6: funk you want, buddy, just get wrapping.

1355
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: And just don't die.

1356
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 4: Don't die whatever you want, buddy.

1357
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: Sounds like the bully bit beat down.

1358
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's daily in here.

1359
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: Have you ever had to kick a fighter out of

1360
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: the gym? Yeah?

1361
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: I haven't kicked quite a few out.

1362
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a fun conversation.

1363
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 6: We've we've kicked I won't say his name, but he

1364
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 6: was he was in the UFC. We kicked him out.

1365
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 6: He was just a horrible, horrible teammate. Yeah, Michelle, Michelle

1366
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 6: Perey gave him a little five finger to the face,

1367
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 6: the backflip guy.

1368
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm not sure this.

1369
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: Is Michelle gave him up. Yeah, in the fight, it was.

1370
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 6: It was pretty good. It was pretty good. So we

1371
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 6: had to kick came out. He was He was kind

1372
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 6: of a he was tough to have in.

1373
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 3: The room, but very rarely if we had.

1374
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I loved about what follows.

1375
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 6: So we spoke about the standard will excuse people on

1376
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 6: their own.

1377
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 4: They either they either.

1378
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 6: Fit the standard or they miraculously find their way out.

1379
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 6: You know, we don't really need to kick him out.

1380
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 6: And there's been a handful of You're like bro, you gotta go,

1381
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 6: you gotta go.

1382
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: So what is uh, what's I'm not going to say

1383
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: exactly what's left, but I guess I am wondering for

1384
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: a guy who's brought home some championships and the gym's

1385
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: reputation is about as good as I've ever seen it.

1386
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: And it doesn't smell him here. That's bad.

1387
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: That's bad.

1388
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: Every gym smells. You must go home at times and

1389
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: your wife is like, just getting.

1390
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 4: The fun go in the now. You just frame me

1391
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 4: on the way there.

1392
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, it's not exactly clear how you

1393
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. So how do you envision

1394
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: the next five years?

1395
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: I just honestly, you guys like I have the best

1396
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: job in the world. I really do.

1397
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 6: And when you when you realize those expectations with a

1398
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 6: guy like Sean Strickland, and you see a guy like

1399
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 6: Chris Curtis finally break it into the UFC and then

1400
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 6: you know, be able to provide for his family different

1401
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 6: than he was before. When you see people like Danny

1402
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 6: Gay when when he couldn't pay you as a coach

1403
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 6: and now it's paying you nice checks and driving nice

1404
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 6: cars and doing those things.

1405
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 4: You want to. You want to bring people.

1406
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 6: Along the same you want to. You want them to

1407
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 6: have the same potential and give them the same opportunities

1408
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 6: that they are and to be able to change their families' lives.

1409
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 6: That's been something for me, man, I've really enjoyed about

1410
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 6: being here to strin guaitories. It's provided me that atmosphere

1411
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 6: has provided me that you know, the canvas if you

1412
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 6: will to help these these individuals and paint these better

1413
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 6: pictures for themselves and their families. Man, it's pretty cool.

1414
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 6: So for me, it's it's really that. And then you know,

1415
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 6: I I put a lot of pressure on myself, I

1416
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 6: think in a lot of ways because I failed of

1417
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 6: the failures over who I was as a kid, the

1418
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 6: things I felt like I could have done better as

1419
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 6: a child and a e collegiate athlete. There's a lot

1420
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 6: of failures there that I just feel like I owe

1421
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 6: my mom and dad, you know things I could have

1422
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 6: done a lot better with myself and being a better

1423
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 6: human being.

1424
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: So they gotta be proud, now, yeah, they're very proud.

1425
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 5: I mean, do you have an al Bundie story you

1426
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: can share with us? You gotta have four touchdowns in

1427
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 5: a game, when you were the white light.

1428
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: And running back.

1429
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I had I had a couple.

1430
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 6: I say, the one that stands out to me the

1431
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 6: most was when our senior year we beat Long Beach

1432
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 6: Poli there number two in the country. Wow, they came

1433
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 6: out to play us. It was this is a crazy story.

1434
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 6: So it was the night the next night Tupac got shot.

1435
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 4: Oh next night.

1436
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was the night of against Bruce El.

1437
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: So you don't have an alibi that could have been.

1438
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, we could have been in trouble there. So yeah, actually,

1439
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 6: crazy story. So Long Beach Polly travels out to play

1440
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 6: us and they actually get into like an argument with

1441
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 6: Tupac at the in and out in baker that's for

1442
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 6: Bakersfield or a Barstone Barstow, there's in and out in Barstone.

1443
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 6: So they see Tupac and they're on their way. They're

1444
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 6: traveling out to play us, and there's Bleacher Report actually

1445
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: did an article on I have to pull it up

1446
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 6: for you guys.

1447
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: I remember crazy.

1448
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Long Beach Paulie they come out and play us,

1449
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: and I'm.

1450
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: Talking wall to wall Division one talent.

1451
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 6: I think at the time they might even still be

1452
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: the one team that has the most NFL players. High

1453
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: school team with the most NFL players, and they show up.

1454
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 6: But I remember my dad being in the press box

1455
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 6: and I remember calling the coin toss. I remember looking

1456
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 6: back at my dad going like, what the fucker we

1457
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 6: getting ourselves into. So they had a kid named Kenyon

1458
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 6: Rambo ended up going to Ohio State. First play the game,

1459
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: guy catches a screen pass and looks like he's on

1460
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 6: ice skates.

1461
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: He's about seventy two yards for a touchdown.

1462
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: Like, oh man, this is gonna be a long night.

1463
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 6: So I'm going on the field on offense and my

1464
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 6: linebacker Pevatsi's coming off and I remember him.

1465
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: Grabbing me and goes, you gotta score now we need it.

1466
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I try, Bud. So I catch, I

1467
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 6: catch a slant and I go and I score. So

1468
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 6: now at seven to seven, we get ourselves a game.

1469
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 6: And we ended up meeting these guys sixteen to ten,

1470
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: and that was their first loss, first non conference loss

1471
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 6: in five years. And they're number two in the country

1472
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 6: that year, and I think they put like I think

1473
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: they put like six guys on in the NFL all

1474
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 6: that year.

1475
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: So you play against the guy who went to the

1476
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: NFL like that, like that.

1477
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 6: You remember the guy covering me that game was Marky Sanderson.

1478
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 6: He played for the Raiders, so he covered me that game.

1479
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 6: I had seven catches on him, seven catches and a

1480
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 6: touchdown on him.

1481
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 4: You end up going to u C.

1482
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: L A.

1483
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: And then he played for the Raiders for a few years.

1484
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: Markyreeah and the gentleman you hit with the microwave.

1485
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 6: I think he's around. I think he's good. I think

1486
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 6: he's good. Uh, you know, great Maynard was actually friends

1487
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 6: with the guy. They went to high school together. It's

1488
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 6: a great new him.

1489
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1490
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 6: Gray was always the legendary story of that whole thing.

1491
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 6: But hopefully, hopefully he's not gonna pay back with a

1492
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: microwave on me where I'm walking the dog one day

1493
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 6: or something. But as far as I know, my mom

1494
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 6: had to pay a couple of bucks for for the best.

1495
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: UF Hey enjoyce Saudi Arabia. We wish just well against

1496
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: Iison Curio. It's going to be a spectacle. It's gonna

1497
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: be something.

1498
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 5: Yeah there and if, by the way, if the old

1499
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 5: Ship moments happened, you're gonna have a Forrest Gump Like

1500
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 5: last couple of years. I mean, this guy just he

1501
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: just hangs around the big moments.

1502
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 2: It just keeps winning.

1503
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 5: Were you in Aljoe's corner for the jan rematch as well?

1504
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in al Joe.

1505
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 6: We had we had Al Joe for Jan twice and

1506
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 6: TJ Dill shot in corner for the TJ fight.

1507
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: I was in.

1508
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 6: At that was yeah, so yeah, so I've got to

1509
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 6: see so Lance par Lance Pomo is my first. We've

1510
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 6: had Al Joe, Francis Rafons, Thoughts, now Shawn Stripper.

1511
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: Jesus well, you stay busy and uh, from the looks

1512
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: of it, you stay winning. Thank we we appreciate this

1513
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk with you.

1514
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: And dude, the microwave story was great. I'm really glad

1515
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: you told it. Derek Nixick, everybody