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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talked to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think

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Speaker 1: they're still going. Today's episode is with someone very very

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Speaker 1: special to me who actually leaves pixie dust everywhere he goes.

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Speaker 1: I'm serious, he radiates positivity. Today's guest is Henry Winkler.

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Speaker 1: Whether you know him as the Funds from Happy Days,

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Speaker 1: Barry zucker Horn from Arrested Development, Gene Cusino from Barry,

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Speaker 1: or one of his other iconic roles, you have witnessed

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Speaker 1: this man make magic on screen. I stopped by his

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Speaker 1: his latest children's book, Alien Superstar, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the podcast. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: do you know that when do we meet? How old

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Speaker 1: were you? I couldn't tell you. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've known you since I have That was true,

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Speaker 1: so I met I might have met you when you

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Speaker 1: were a little girl, because your dad, a great photographer,

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Speaker 1: shot me. That is the ball you hear is my dog,

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Speaker 1: my labradoodle, twenty three pounds of Sadie wants to pleasure.

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Speaker 1: She plays ball twenty four hours a day, and poor Sadie,

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Speaker 1: we're sitting here having a conversation and she just wants

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Speaker 1: us to play with Yeah. Well you know that everybody

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Speaker 1: doesn't get everything they want. But yes, you're right. You

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Speaker 1: worked with my dad so cool, and you were very

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Speaker 1: close with my godfather also, Richard Grant. Your Grant was

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Speaker 1: my publicist, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest. Little did

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Speaker 1: I know, because he was so cordial and cagin and

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Speaker 1: and and incredibly warm and protective when he was with me.

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Speaker 1: Afterwards I found out that he would eat press people

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Speaker 1: for lunch. He was so tough. Yeah, he was tough.

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Speaker 1: He was so tough for the people that he loved. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: he just took Yeah, deeply loyal, fiercely loyal. He was

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Speaker 1: a special, special man. He'd get a kick out of

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Speaker 1: this if you were, I don't think. Yeah, probably maybe

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Speaker 1: he's looking down, but it would be like shocking that

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Speaker 1: we are here now on your podcast. Yeah. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask you a question? Sure? So when did this come

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Speaker 1: to you, oh, to do the podcast? You know, I

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Speaker 1: think looking back, I realized that this has always been

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Speaker 1: such a a passion for me. The interviewing, the question

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Speaker 1: asking the curiosity, the sort of bent toward journalism. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is really for me. I want

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Speaker 1: get this kind of program. I missed studying real stories

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Speaker 1: journalism school, studying journalism and political science. And that's really

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Speaker 1: when I started to work like crazy. But so that

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Speaker 1: is an amazing journey. So you start in the drama school,

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Speaker 1: realized for me and maybe, well, let me back up.

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Speaker 1: I love what we do. I love working, I love

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Speaker 1: story telling to I love creating content. I do really

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Speaker 1: love it. For me. The two big shows that I

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Speaker 1: and so work that was strenuous. Yeah, and work kind

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Speaker 1: Sis a day in Chicago. Let's just take from Chicago

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Speaker 1: me feel really removed from my life. So my work

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Speaker 1: pie chart. You've only got so many slices of the pie, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just just the amount of space you have available to

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Speaker 1: Then there's less pie for the people you're working with.

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Speaker 1: People come to visit you on location. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, you you don't have a regular routine with people,

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Speaker 1: And for me that was always really taxing and and

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Speaker 1: so interestingly enough, coming to do this. This all came

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Speaker 1: about because I realized that for years I've had these deep, delicious, fun,

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Speaker 1: that in political spaces and activist spaces, and and I've

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Speaker 1: me feel like my life is full, not just my work,

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Speaker 1: stories with an audience, and and perhaps lessons with people,

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Speaker 1: personally fulfilling. So when you talk about lessons, what do

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Speaker 1: with you that informs your entire life? Do you have

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Speaker 1: for me, it's about showing up, showing up in every

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Speaker 1: especially for our community. You know, people who say, oh,

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Speaker 1: a sign of of privilege, and if I'm being quite frank,

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Speaker 1: don't realize that everything we do is political. And I

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Speaker 1: we get to voice our opinions, where we get to vote,

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Speaker 1: as such a privilege. And and so I think about

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Speaker 1: up because I have five grandchildren, and I'm thinking, if

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Speaker 1: it is it is shocking to me. It's like it

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Speaker 1: and your family. Who who were you? Who is Henriett

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Speaker 1: tell us your story between Broadway and Amsterdam. As a

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Speaker 1: wife was there and I asked her which sport coat

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00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: I should get, And that's what launched your love affair

428
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: years ago. Wow, what sport code did you get? It

429
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: was a a blue velvet sport coat with red piping. Hello,

430
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: very sheet. Yes, and I just found yesterday yesterday, because

431
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, we we just went through the fires, and

432
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: what do you take? Look around my beautiful house and

433
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: what do you take? So I took like handfuls of

434
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: pictures and I had these bags and dog food and

435
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: my dogs and um, some of the cable mit sweaters

436
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: because I love them. But and in a ball signed

437
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: by the cast of Happy Days, a softball. Yes, I

438
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know why I put that in the car, because

439
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: that's in you. That's irreplaceable. Yea. So now I'm trying

440
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: to digitize all my photographs, bundles of photographs, and I

441
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: found a picture in that jacket. Oh, I'm going to

442
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: need to see it. Yeah again. Well, but I think

443
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: it's upstairs in my office. Okaya. Oh that makes me

444
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: very excited. Now did Jerry Magnet did that? Was there

445
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: a relation with the with the story I'm Magnet either

446
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: grandfather father? So I have This is very weird. We

447
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: you and I are having a moment with burnt Orange

448
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: because I have one of my grandfather's I'm Magnet sweaters

449
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: still and my grandfather passed away when I was twenty four,

450
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: and I mean two years ago. Oh. Absolutely, I I

451
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: guard this thing. I mean with my life. It's like

452
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite here, one of the most important

453
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: things in your life. His family. You you you keep

454
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: going back to family in um no matter what we're

455
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: talking about. If I may ask about yours, I'm curious

456
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: about you know, because when you well, when you talk

457
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: about when you were young, I'm still so interesting, Yes,

458
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: because you talk about how important, you know, education was

459
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to your family, and obviously they didn't know you didn't

460
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: know that you were dyslexic then, and you know this business,

461
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: this sort of sturdy, stable business. UM. People may not

462
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: know this, but your parents, coming here from Germany, escaped

463
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, and that is true, which I admired. I

464
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: didn't particularly care for them, but I admired that they

465
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: had the fortitude, the foresight the um the temperament. Two

466
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: leave their home country, leave everything, leave family, and start

467
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: brand new in a with a different language. Uh, you know,

468
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: in a new country. Do you think that that because now,

469
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, we have so much research at our fingertips.

470
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: We understand trauma, we understand you know what war does

471
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: to people in violence. Do you think back now and

472
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: and does it make sense to think maybe they were

473
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: so staunch because because of that opportunity, because of one

474
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: of the let's call it the way it is. One

475
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: of the reasons is because they were German. It's a

476
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: very severe point of view. I'm sure that my mother

477
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: had um major trauma that she never she never saw

478
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: her family again. I can't imagine. So, yes, but it

479
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: was so painful growing up that it took me a

480
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: very long time to have any room for understanding anything,

481
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: any kind of grace. Well, because as a kid, when

482
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: when you don't get the love that you so badly

483
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: desire from your family, it doesn't matter if they're traumatized

484
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: or not, you're wounded, and then your wound it for

485
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: a long long time, of course, I mean that stuff

486
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: sticks with you. How do you think you began to

487
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: get out from under that that kind of wounding because

488
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: you are one of the kindest, most jovial you. You

489
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: are like a person who leaves magic pixie dust everywhere

490
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: you go. You You you light up a room like

491
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: I swear that there there must be something we're just

492
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: trained not to see. But I'm convinced that you leave

493
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: like a trail of twinkle lights everywhere you go. And

494
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: I wonder, thank you for saying that. Yeah, I mean,

495
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't think about that. All I think about is

496
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I I realize I am unbelievably grateful that I'm on

497
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: the earth, that I get to to live this life,

498
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: that I get to do all the different jobs that

499
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, gratitude, Now is it? Is it that

500
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: I am I'm able to be grateful? No, no, I'm

501
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: going to answer my own question. I've always been grateful.

502
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: I've always when something wonderful happened, I just was, this

503
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: is a wonderful thing. I never get tired, I never

504
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: get over it, I never get used to it. Mm hm.

505
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: So I think gratitude is a major component to living

506
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: on this earth. Yeah, that's what I think. I love it.

507
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: I just wonder, how, because as you talk about you know,

508
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: you you imprint with a lot of shame. When you're

509
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: being negatively reinforced and as you said, when you're called

510
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: lazy and and you're called stupid, and you know how

511
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: hard you're trying, did you develop work arounds? You know how?

512
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: How did you begin to get away from the doubt.

513
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: I never have gotten away from the doubt. I still

514
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: have major doubt. I will tell you there was a

515
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: seminal moment. I speak publicly, so I go all over

516
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: the country and Canada and I speak to groups or

517
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And I was always so nervous, Oh

518
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: my gosh, what happens if I forget? What happens if

519
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: my timing is off? What happens if this group this

520
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: is going to be the group that doesn't care about

521
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying at all. And one day, maybe ten

522
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: years ago, I'm walking up the stairs they said in

523
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Emry Winkler, and I'm walking up the

524
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: stairs and I said to myself, Okay, you can be nervous,

525
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: but you actually know what you're doing. You have done

526
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: this speech many times. So either you can be completely

527
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: uncomfortable or you can just let that go. Do what

528
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: you know how to do and enjoy yourself. And I'm

529
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: telling you that was that conversation I had with myself

530
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: was in three steps up to the stage and I

531
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: never looked back. Now I get nervous, but never as

532
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: nervous as I was. That's so cool. And you have

533
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: to be ready and it has to click for you.

534
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: That is true. Otherwise, you know, people, my my wife

535
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: would say to me when for the longest time when

536
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: we first met, Wow, you give all your power away.

537
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: You make everybody else right, and you completely doubt yourself.

538
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: You just you know, like throw it out there. And

539
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: I had no idea what she was saying. It was

540
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: like she was speaking Russian to me until the day

541
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I the penny dropped and I went, oh, I get it.

542
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: I know something. Also, I know this stuff too. Yeah.

543
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: But I would treat the executives at ABC or UM

544
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: colleagues with you know, I go sir, and they what

545
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: they hated that I called them sir because they were

546
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: not that much older than I was. And then I

547
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: realized that I could actually just say Michael, how are

548
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: you and not have to say sir and everything that

549
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: sir meant. A friend of mine said something to me

550
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: and then I. I kind of turned it into my

551
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: own phrase that I've offered to other people because I

552
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: was experiencing version of that kind of doubt. And she said,

553
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: they asked you to be there, wow, And I thought,

554
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: oh right. And then I've tried to offer to people

555
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: that if you're gripped by by self doubt, just remember

556
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: that your inclusion in the room means you have the

557
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: merit to be there. Wow. You know, if you're there,

558
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: you're there. And that has really calmed me when I'm

559
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: feeling nervous or or afraid that i have to prove

560
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: something or convince people that, you know, I really do

561
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. It's like, yeah, I know, I

562
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. You know. Malcolm Gladwell says that

563
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you're an expert on something if you've done it for

564
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours. And I filmed my first show for

565
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand hours. So at this point I better

566
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: be a real freaking expert at a storytelling and uh,

567
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: and the technical things that we do that is a

568
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: wonderful into view to pass on mine is that they

569
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: don't know when you're going in to go for a job,

570
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: they don't know what they want somebody is going to

571
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: get the job? Why not you? Why not you? That

572
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: there is no right, there is no wrong, There is

573
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: you creating the space? How do you? How do you

574
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: get there? Though? Because something I'm always curious about. I

575
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: really like parameters. If I have parameters to work in,

576
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: then I feel totally free. Yes, But but a blank

577
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: page to me, it feels like a nightmare. So I'm curious,

578
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: how do you? How do you feel the page? How

579
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: do you put yourself in a position as an actor

580
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: where you say this is what I'm going to make

581
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: and then show them this is because I want the job.

582
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: So my my um my journey is if I cannot

583
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: be right and I cannot be wrong, I can go

584
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: in there and do what comes to my mind, what

585
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: comes to my instinct. And a lot of the time

586
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: it worked. A lot of the time people said, oh that,

587
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I like that, Come come and be with us. Do

588
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: you know the very first job I had was the

589
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore Show. I wanted to talk about this

590
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: ya okay? So the Mary Tyler Moore Show for your

591
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: listeners was like the Friends of its time in three

592
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: and also revolutionary, being centered around this woman and and

593
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: a woman who an accomplished woman, smart single woman who

594
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: add catered for equal pay and in the seventies. Yeah,

595
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: oh god, she was so cool. What was that like

596
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: to go on the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Well, first

597
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: of all, it was populated by unbelievably talented people, so

598
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: I had four lines. But when I went to audition,

599
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: my very first audition after landing like a week before

600
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: in California, I only had enough money to spend a month. Wow.

601
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: I went in and the producer, ed Winburger, said, I

602
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: don't have a script, but you're going to sit at

603
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: a table by yourself and ask for the salt. It

604
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: will be a dinner party at Suwanne's or Betty White.

605
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: Betty White. So, while we were talking about Yale and

606
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and going to drama school, and showing him pictures that

607
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: I carried with me in a paper bag from Ralph's

608
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: because I didn't have a portfolio, pictures of what of

609
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: me in place, just so you could see my characters.

610
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. That breaks my heart

611
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: in the best way. And I took a glass on

612
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: his desk, I poured the pencils out, picked up a pencil,

613
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: clink the glass, and say, do not bother yourself when

614
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: you get a moment, could you pass the salt? And

615
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: I got back to the motel I was staying at

616
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: in my green Capri because I thought it looks sporty.

617
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: And I got the job. That was my first job

618
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. Four lines on the Mary tell More Show.

619
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: What did it feel like? Day one on the set?

620
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: Not having a sense of self? I had to get

621
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: over that I was worthy to be on the set.

622
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: And then I just started to I had lived you know,

623
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: I just said whatever came to my mind? Do you

624
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: remember any of the things that you said? One I

625
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: opened the door and one of my lines was, UM, hello,

626
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: come in, I'm fired, and I um had lived that

627
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: to I'm rotor state yeah, and UM, so nice to

628
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: meet you. I've just been fired. And then I went

629
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: from there, how fun? And so what happened next? How

630
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: do you go from four lines on the Mary Tyler

631
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Moore Show to happen to Paramount Studios? It's so beautiful

632
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot as beautiful. Well, when I got there, the

633
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: parking lot that is now the major parking lot was

634
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: a western town and the tank in which you park

635
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: was filled with water and it is where the original

636
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: ben her, whether the sea parted in that tank. I

637
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Oh that's so cool. So I go

638
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: an audition. I have six lines, and I changed my voice.

639
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't know this until that second. Changing my body,

640
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: changing my voice was a key that completely unlocked my imagination.

641
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: And then I was like a crazy person. I said

642
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: anything that came to my mind, and then you were

643
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: then and then I threw the script up in the air.

644
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: I sauntered out of the room. And two weeks later

645
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: they called me on my birthday October three and said

646
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: would you like to be in this show? And I

647
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: was about to get on the plane to go home

648
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: because my money had run out. What a birthday present,

649
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: Holy moley. And then how soon were you working? So

650
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: that was September UM October September eighteenth to UM September

651
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: eighteen to October eighteen. Then I um, I stayed for

652
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: the audition October thirties. We made the pilot. I went

653
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: home for Thanksgiving. I dated a young lady by the

654
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: name of Glenda, like the good witch. Well she wasn't

655
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: so good unfortunately, because um she she wanted to go upstate.

656
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: This is going to be the first time I was

657
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: ever leaving my parents and everything for a major holiday,

658
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: but she wanted to bring her best girlfriend and I

659
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: thought something's wrong here, and I came back. They called

660
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: me when I went home around Thanksgiving and said we

661
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: were picked up. We're going to start filming. We need

662
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: you back here again in December, and then we went

663
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: on the air I think February four, I think, I

664
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: don't remember, And Fonzie was one of only two characters.

665
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: It was Fonzie and Howard Cunningham, who appeared in all

666
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five. That's a crazy number. T

667
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: isn't that wild? That's wild? You were? You were in

668
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: all two hundred and fifty five? What was what was

669
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: it like to be on a show for that many years?

670
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Because we did a hundred and eighty seven episodes of

671
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill, and I felt like it was my

672
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: entire existence, So how what's it like to do two

673
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: episodes of a show. So I always thought, if I'm

674
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: going to sign the dotted line, if I'm going to

675
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: sign the contract, my job is to make it the

676
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: best it can be, the most difficult thing was to

677
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: do that many episodes. We did like twenty six episodes

678
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: a year your brain and there was not like this.

679
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: You know, you do UM four and then you get

680
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: a week off. Well they do that on sitcoms now.

681
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: I've never yeah drama. By the eight episode before we

682
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: got a moment to take arrest, my brain was like

683
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: cream cheese it. I had to fight with all my

684
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: might to stay focused because you know, it just is

685
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: too much and you're learning so much. Dial You have

686
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: to memorize three different scripts because they're rewriting. So you

687
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: read it Monday, you go down, you work UM, rehearse

688
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: it a lightly light rehearsal. Uh. They rewrite what they

689
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: heard at the table the writers for Tuesday. Wednesday, you

690
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: show all of the producers. They rewrite for Thursday. Thursday,

691
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you show the cameras everything that you've rehearsed. They rewrite

692
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Thursday night to Friday, and then in between you do

693
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: your first public showing at four o'clock in the afternoon

694
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: on Friday to an audience. They rewrite between that performance

695
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: and the seven o'clock performance, and you are memorizing new jokes,

696
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: so you have to really concentrate. Not as easy as

697
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: it looks or as as people think it might be

698
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. When I was working in Chicago, my

699
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: technical advisor, who had been an undercover cop for twenty

700
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: nine years, said, I thought you guys had it easy.

701
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: He goes, this is harder than any job I've ever done.

702
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: And I just have to sit here and tell you

703
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: when you look right and when you look wrong. And

704
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: we were down, I mean we were dying, laughing. And

705
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: what do they do that that guy or a woman

706
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: taught you how to hold a gun, carry a gun.

707
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Luckily for me, I knew that stuff already.

708
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: I came in as a hobbyist and uh no kidding,

709
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: what does that mean? That means you are, um, you

710
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: have your own guns. I'm like the most progressive person around,

711
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I started. I don't think owning a gun,

712
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of people do. And what's interesting is

713
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: I get a lot of when I talk about gun

714
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: control and advocating for sensible gun legislation, A lot of

715
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: gun people are like, you're one of those Hollywood larberals

716
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: who doesn't know anything. And I'm like, I'm being a

717
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: sharp shooter since I was twelve. Step aside, sir, Yeah,

718
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: isn't that great? It's fun, It's a fun high. I

719
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: have a certificate from camp because I was good at

720
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: rifle ry. Yeah, but that's as close as I got.

721
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: That's where it starts. So what is your do you

722
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: do You have a favorite UM a rifle or a

723
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: pistol or you like both? I really like both? Really yeah,

724
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: I really like. I do a lot of arrange. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I did that. I really enjoy when I got UM.

726
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: I got an arc, which means that I got several

727
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: episodes on a show called Numbers, and I was an

728
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: FBI agent and I had to go to a range

729
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: and learn to shoot and hold the gun and how

730
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: you walk into a house clear clear. Yeah, it's all

731
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: it's very technical stuff. It's fun. I love that. That's

732
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: the part of our job I like the most. Do

733
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: you stay in touch with actors that you did all

734
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: those episodes with on any show? Yeah? You do. Yeah.

735
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: My girlfriend Hillary, who I did first six years of

736
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: One Treehill, we've actually just got married, and the little

737
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: cluster of us that's the tightest where we're all at

738
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: her wedding together, which is so fun. I'm still very

739
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: tight with my my girlfriend from Chicago who I did

740
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: the show with there and uh, I made this really

741
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: funny movie with a great actress named Brittany Snow and

742
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: we are still really tight. So you know, you don't

743
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: stay tight with everybody, but you really there's people who

744
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: you maintain long friendships with, and then there's the people

745
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: like you talk about, who you see out, who you

746
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: did a thing with once and it's like the best

747
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: catch up ever, and then maybe it'll happen again in

748
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: five years, but it's it's nice to have all of that.

749
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: And then I've got also some people from some cruise

750
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: that I'm really close to, like my two camera operators

751
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: from Chicago I'm really tight with. And so because the crew,

752
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: if you respect your crew, they will kill for you.

753
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: They will make sure you're comfortable taking care of the crew.

754
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: I they are unbelievable because when the actor gets to

755
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: go home, they that's the last shot. It's um, it's

756
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: you've shot all night, you go home. The crew has

757
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: to put all of the props away, the makeup away,

758
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: the cameras away, the lights away. They never get to

759
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: go home. I tend to stay and hang with the

760
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: crew for a while. Yeah. Yeah, I I don't know.

761
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm a crew kids, Like that's what I like the

762
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: lovely people. That's what made talented people. On my first show,

763
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: I started directing in the last couple of seasons and

764
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: it was so fun for me. And I'm curious for

765
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: you because you made such an amazing shift over as

766
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: a director. But I did that because I couldn't get

767
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: hired as an actor. I was sidecasting. Oh yeah, so

768
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: people would say, he is so talented, Oh my god,

769
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: he's so funny, but he was the Fonds. So I

770
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: had to reinvent. So I started producing. The very first

771
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: show that I sold for a man named John Rich

772
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: was mc iver, which, by the way, I just can't

773
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: even the fact that you can say that out loud,

774
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: like one of the most iconic shows of all time.

775
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: You're like, I said, a casual thing I sold. That's

776
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: so cool. It was great, and now it's back on

777
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: I know. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, it's so cool.

778
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: How did how did that come about? So towards the

779
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: end of Happy Days, part of my compensation, aside from

780
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: the money, was a production company, and part of the

781
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: production company, I got an office ae Paramount, I got

782
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: a secretary, I got someone to run my company. Well,

783
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: this is a big production This was a big but

784
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: they don't do that so much anymore. But I also

785
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: got to on the air commitments, which means if I

786
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: brought ABC a show that they liked, they would put

787
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: it on no questions, and they definitely don't do that.

788
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: First one was mc iver. The second one was Mr

789
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Sunshine at half an hour, comedy about a blind English professor. Uh,

790
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: and it was Jeff Tambor was the He was brilliant

791
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: as the blind English professor and um precursor. Wow, wow wow,

792
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: And you've just you've had so many incredible roles. I

793
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: mean from from Scream to now Scream. Okay. So I

794
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: used to go and have sushi on Ventura Boulevard in

795
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: the valley with Wes Craven and we would have it

796
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: once a month or something like that, and it was

797
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: lovely to talk to him as quiet and as dem

798
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: you were, and as tweety as a college professor. Wow,

799
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: how interesting. And out of that mind came I can't

800
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: even watch his movies. And he called me up and

801
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: he said, look, I've got a small part as the

802
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: principal in Scream. Would you like to be in it?

803
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: I said, of course I would. So I went and Now,

804
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: when you shoot a horror movie, you shoot more film

805
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: than anything else because every cut, in order to scare,

806
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to have detail. So the

807
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: the amount of shooting was amazing. So now it's coming

808
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: out and they're the Fonds is right there again. The

809
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: the executive for the company that was producing it said, well,

810
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: we can't put Henry's name on it. We can't put

811
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Henry's name on the one sheet on the on the

812
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: poster in front of the We cannot um average. He

813
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: can't put him on the film because he was the

814
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: Fons and he will knock the balance of the movie off.

815
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: Now this went on and I went, okay, I but

816
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm in the movie. I had a good time. And

817
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: this went on until they had test screenings, at which

818
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: time I got applause when I came on the screen.

819
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: Now they call me and they say, would you like

820
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: to do press for the movie? I said, you wouldn't

821
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: put my name on the movie? Now you and they're

822
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: very reactive, and now of course I did, and then

823
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: I did, but you you know, we I mean that

824
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: movie for me just so it was iconic growing up.

825
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: And then I think about the water Boy and Arrested Development,

826
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: Parks and Breck and Berry. Do you have a favorite

827
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: When you look back at these things, they're all don't um.

828
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: I called Adam Sandler and I thanked him for putting

829
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: me in the Hanakah song. That was. I just was

830
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: so thrilled to be in the Honakah song, and I

831
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: that's what I done. So now I'm making the worst

832
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: movie ever made. I think it's called Control Tower starring

833
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: Keifer Sutherland, but I mean the worst movie ever made

834
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: by a human being. I've done one or two with us.

835
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: So they fire the director, and before they hire another director,

836
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: Kiefer takes over and directs for two days. Who is incredible.

837
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So Kiefer takes over and then d While

838
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm making that movie. At the um Craft service table,

839
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: which is where um the you go to snack on

840
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: a set, I get a call would you like to

841
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: be in the water Boy? And I go, yes, I would,

842
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: And I get to make this movie and then four

843
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: others with Adam Sandler. Cool. Oh my gosh. He doesn't

844
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: dress very well, but he's brilliant. He is in charge

845
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: of every detail of everything that he makes. He just knows.

846
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: I think this is true. I don't know. I don't

847
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: think this is a myth. But he hated the way

848
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: the studio was cutting the promos, the commercials, the previews

849
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: for his film. He bought the company and cut his

850
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: own previews. Wow, he bought the company that was cutting

851
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: his commercials. And um, I think so that's amazing, just

852
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful fellow. Yeah, I've really heard that. He's

853
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: I love him so much. That's so cool. Everyone talks

854
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: about how for someone who makes such you know, funny films,

855
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: that he really is just so sharp and everything is

856
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: so specific. And I really admire that a lot, truly, truly,

857
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: but he really should get out of those some of

858
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: those sweat clothes. Um. Then I get to do Arrested

859
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: Development with Mitch Harrowitz, who is an out and out genius. Yeah,

860
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean that show is just beyond, it's beyond. Then

861
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: I get to do this fifteen minute show on Adult

862
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: Swim by these young, funny human beings Megan Malalley and

863
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Rob Hubil and Rob Cordrey and um, David Wayne and

864
01:00:53,320 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: all these creators. And I didn't understand, you cannot you

865
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: can't tell anybody, but I did it for six years.

866
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: I didn't understand one joke. I just said what they wrote,

867
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't know what the hell this

868
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: is talking about. I had a butterfly collection, and if

869
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: if I, if I can I say, jerked off the butterfly.

870
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: The the um, the liquid that came out of the

871
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Speaker 1: butterfly cured cancer. What the hell are they talking about?

872
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: But I said it very very carefully, and I enjoyed

873
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Speaker 1: my butterflies, and they would sit on my shoulders, and

874
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: off we went, and off went, and now Barry and

875
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: now Barry, well, oh, Barry. I am driving down Ventura

876
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: Boulevard again in the valley. I have just left in

877
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Speaker 1: a state planning meeting. This is meeting I didn't get

878
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Speaker 1: at all. It's what happens to everything, your house and

879
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: your things and what you're leaving to the children and

880
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna leave it to a charity or whatever.

881
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: So this is the meeting. I'm driving with my wife.

882
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: I get a call. You're on a short list. Bill

883
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: Hayter wants to meet you. Bill Hayter HBO HBO. I've

884
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: never worked for HBO. I've watched Bill Hayter for the

885
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: last I don't know eight or nine years on on

886
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live Brilliant and HBO. I said, okay, it's

887
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: a short list. Is Dustin Hoffman on that list? Because

888
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: if Dustin Hoffman is on that list, I'm not going

889
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Speaker 1: in because he's going to get it because he's a

890
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: movie star and he's an Oscar winner. They said, no,

891
01:02:55,080 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: he's not on the list. I went my son act

892
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: So was a director who just directed his third movie

893
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: who I went to college with. Yes in that one

894
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: Wow at usc Maxie. He directed me in the audition

895
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: in this house. He would yell at me as I

896
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: was going over. He said, you cannot make this stuff up.

897
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 1: I said, I've been doing that my whole career. He said,

898
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: respect the writer. Dad. I love it. And then he

899
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: and then I go in and I meet Bill. I

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01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: make him a half Oh my god. I drive home

901
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: and you wait, and then I get a call from Bill. Hey,

902
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: I've written two scenes yesterday. You want to come in

903
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: and play. I emailed the scenes immediately to Max. He

904
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: now directs me on the phone. Amazing. I go in.

905
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: I sit there waiting. Now I meet Alec Berg, who

906
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: is a genius his partner, and now I make him

907
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: smile because he is so close to the vest alec

908
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: that I think it is tattooed on. That's how close

909
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: his vest is. I leave. There's a young girl sitting

910
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: on the stands a young woman on the stairs waiting

911
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: to go in. I said, you're gonna have a good time.

912
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: They're very open, and I walk out the door. Now

913
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: she's watching me walk back and forth because I've lost

914
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: my car in the parking lot and I cannot find it.

915
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: And it turns out it's Sarah Goldberg, who is unbelievable

916
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: Sally on the show. And there that's and Barry. And

917
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: now we're going to start our third season. Uh, next March.

918
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Speaker 1: to do though when you're not working fly fishing for trout.

947
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: I started learning to fly fish too. It's the best ever. Okay,

948
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: there you go. It's so much fun. I went to

949
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: Alaska fly fishing for salmon, king salmon. Incredible, incredible, it

950
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. I was like, I was standing in waiters

951
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: in a river in Alaska crying, just like, look at

952
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: how amazing the world is. Oh my god, it's true. Yea,

953
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: it is so gorgeous and it is so cleansing. And

954
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: then you put the fish back. We I you know,

955
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: we catch trout in Idaho or Montana or Wyoming or

956
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: Colorado and take a picture and then put the fish

957
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: back and catch him next year. I mean I usually

958
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: I release all except the one that's for dinner. You know, Okay,

959
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: it's perfectly okay. I had to eat I would eat

960
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: um the fish. I just I don't eat trout in

961
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: a restaurant because I find them so majestic that I

962
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: just okay. So you fly fish and go to the movies.

963
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: You go to the movies, go to the go to Broadway.

964
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on Broadway? I have been on

965
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: Broadway three times. The first time we closed pretty much

966
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: in one night. I was taking off my makeup. They

967
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: were ripping out the sink. The second one was a

968
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: Neil Simon play with John Ridder, and I ran on

969
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: in that play for nine months. The third play just

970
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: as Sandy hit the hurricane in New York City that

971
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: flooded the subway, flooded everything so that no one from

972
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: the Tri state area could get to the play. And

973
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:59,919
Speaker 1: that was called The Performers. I was the the Lifetime

974
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: Achievement Award for the porno industry. It was a comedy,

975
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: it was a love story. It was funny, wow, funny.

976
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: And that closed in seven nights. So I need to

977
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: go back. Yeah. Yeah, a natural disaster got in the way.

978
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever done have you ever done in theater?

979
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: I did theater through high school, but I've never done

980
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: theater the professionally. And I think I want to Oh

981
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: my god, I like exhilarating. It is frightening, and then

982
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: it is not. That's another thing that I say to people.

983
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: The anticipatory fear is worse than the actuality. Yes, and

984
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: but it's the anticipatory fear that anxiety that can be crippling,

985
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,480
Speaker 1: can be and our job is to beat it into submission.

986
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: How do you do that for yourself. I talked myself

987
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: out of things I was offered. In nine I was

988
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: offered to do the American version of the Christmas Carol

989
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: playing Scrooge. I thought, so many actors have done this,

990
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: and I've done it brilliantly. Who do I think I

991
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: am that I could do this? And I walked around

992
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: and talked myself right out of it until I said, okay,

993
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: come on, you can not jump off the precipice and

994
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: fly and just kind of live in a hole. Or

995
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: you can take a risk and see what happens. I'm

996
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: like that, take the risk. The risk you would you

997
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: call becoming a children's book author a risk or a

998
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: or that was a time filler really an agent that

999
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: I had at a company called i c M International

1000
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: Creative Management of whatever it's call was now a manager

1001
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a manager. And I had convinced

1002
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: him to take me on as a manager to manage

1003
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: my career. Again a lull in my career, nothing was happening,

1004
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: and he said, write books for children about your dyslexia.

1005
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: I said, I am dyslexic. I believe I'm stupid. I

1006
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: can't write a book. I have nothing to say. That's it.

1007
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: I go back again my second meeting. They are now

1008
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: taking the art off the walls of that particular company

1009
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: because it has imploded. And he said to me, I'll

1010
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 1: introduce you, my friend Lynn Oliver, write books for children

1011
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: about your dyslexia. We are now writing our thirty six novel,

1012
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: Hank Zip Sir, Hank Zip sir. And now we have

1013
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 1: Alien and Superstar. That's the latest. Tell me about it. Okay,

1014
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: you guys, this book, well, I'm lucky I got an

1015
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: early copy. This book is so wonderful. It's wonder word

1016
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: literally high fiving on the couch. It's thank you wonderful. Okay.

1017
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: So we were told by our publishers that they didn't

1018
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: want to do anymore. Hang zipsters. We had done twenty

1019
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: eight and when you're told that you can't write that

1020
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: character anymore, it is a nominal motivator, phenomenal on coming

1021
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: up with a brand new character. So we both Lynn

1022
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: and I have worked in television. She produced and wrote.

1023
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: I have a produced and acted directed a little. So

1024
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: we took that and we thought children like aliens. I

1025
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: like aliens. I am convinced an alien will land in

1026
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: my vicinity. And we'll be friendly. I just know that,

1027
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: I just know that. I love that. I'm with you.

1028
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. So we'll meet them together. I will call

1029
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: you as soon as the only thing is though my

1030
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: lawn will be ruined. But it's a thirteen year old boy,

1031
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: an alien. He must leave his planet because it's repressive.

1032
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: His grandmother said, you must leave. She is the master

1033
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 1: mechanic for the starships fleet on their planet. She cobbles

1034
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: together a a new ship for him out of used

1035
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: and discarded parts, just at the right moment before he

1036
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: is It is almost as if their will is taken away. Um,

1037
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: so that at third en uh, you no longer care

1038
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: about taste or smell, or the arts or color. You

1039
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: get hit within difference, yes, indifference, so that you don't

1040
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: make any problem for the government. He takes off in

1041
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: his ship, and he flies past Saturn with its pink

1042
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: and brown you know rings, And then he oh, there's

1043
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: the Milky Way with billions of stars. And then there

1044
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: is a satellite that is in just imputed with U

1045
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: s A. And then he lands on the only address

1046
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:44,480
Speaker 1: he knows on Earth, the back lot of Universal Studios. Perfect.

1047
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: Who is going to question a rocket ship on the

1048
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: back lot of of a movie student. It's probably a

1049
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: new ride. Oh my god. And then I don't know

1050
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: how this happens. He gets apart on a sitcom on

1051
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: univer Visual Studios. Amazing. And we are now writing the

1052
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: second novel. The first one came onto the The New

1053
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: York Times bestsell was that number five. Very proud. It's

1054
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: just so good. I can't wait for you, guys. It's

1055
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: a it's a great birthday gift, gift, Christmas gift. It's

1056
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: so sweet. I have one final question, be my friend.

1057
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: This podcast is called work in progress, and I'm curious

1058
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: when you hear that phrase. What comes to mind first?

1059
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: As a work in progress in your life. To know

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Speaker 1: yourself is to know the world, because we were all

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Speaker 1: the same m So I see myself as a chunk

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Speaker 1: of Swiss cheese, and I am now trying to fill

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Speaker 1: all of those holes so that I am total cheese.

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Speaker 1: I am trying to get I am working in order

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Speaker 1: to the more I know about myself, the more I

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Speaker 1: know about every human being I come in contact with.

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Speaker 1: I love that almost like the more real you can

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Speaker 1: get with yourself, the deeper you can dive in yourself.

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Speaker 1: The deeper you understand the world. Yes, because if you

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Speaker 1: look at whether you understand the language or not, when

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Speaker 1: you look at a tragedy and you see those human

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Speaker 1: beings wherever they are in the world, that pain is

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Speaker 1: exactly the same pain you understand from your own experience

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Speaker 1: or the authenticity of that could be my pain. We

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Speaker 1: are all the same and what we are doing hating

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Speaker 1: each other is I don't quite get it because it's

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Speaker 1: not as much fun. It's really not. I'm I'm here

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Speaker 1: for the high fives on the couch. Yeah right, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for getting wonderful conversation. I heard that this podcast

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Speaker 1: was you. I could not say yes fast enough. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This show is executive produced by Me, Sophia Bush, and

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Speaker 1: sim Sarna. Our supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Our associate

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Speaker 1: producer is Cate Linley. Our editor is Josh Wendish, and

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Speaker 1: our music was written by Jack Garrett and produced by

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Speaker 1: Mark Foster. This show is brought to you by Cloud

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