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<v Speaker 1>But all right, job.

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<v Speaker 2>All across the USC Compton, Watts Bay to LA come

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<v Speaker 2>on to California day from Owy the Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>We represent that Keller County.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're keeping it real on your side of

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<v Speaker 2>your town, you tune into Gainst the Chronicles coronic goals.

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<v Speaker 1>We gonna tell you how are we goals?

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<v Speaker 3>If I lie my notes will girl like Pinocchio.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the choosangs.

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<v Speaker 1>The chronic goals.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not your average shows.

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<v Speaker 2>You're now tuned into the rail mc ain't, Big Change

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<v Speaker 2>and Big Steals the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Welcome to the gangst the Chronicles podcast, the production

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<v Speaker 3>rating the comments. We like to welcome every one to

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<v Speaker 3>another episode. You know what, fuck all that shit Tonight

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be a little different. I got you, I

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<v Speaker 3>got you.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to welcome all of y'all to another

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<v Speaker 5>episode of The Gangster Rap Chronicles.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Host Glasses Malone and my co host for the day,

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<v Speaker 5>Norm Steal, co hosts co host. I am hosting Gangster

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<v Speaker 5>Chronicles today, the Gangster Rap Chronicles, and I would like

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<v Speaker 5>to talk to you Norm Steal about the top ten

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<v Speaker 5>gangster rap records.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, as you can tell, we're not doing

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<v Speaker 3>the show at our normal place tonight. My man eight

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<v Speaker 3>had some stuff he had to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>So COVID, So I don't want to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>same room with Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>No, don't nobody got COVID. Bro only starting the rumors.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't start the COVID rub don't start no COVID RUMs.

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<v Speaker 5>I ain't talking to you. So it's a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 5>We might as well cover this stuff on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what broke and I think so aren't

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<v Speaker 3>even agreed to it to an extent. See his number

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<v Speaker 3>one gainst the rap album of all time is ice

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<v Speaker 3>Cube album Death Certificate, which is a great album. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not mad at that man, but doggy style that fair.

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<v Speaker 3>And he even said this is the only album that

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<v Speaker 3>he's ever heard played at parties universally. That means white parties,

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<v Speaker 3>black parties, Mexican parties, everywhere, and that album still exams

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<v Speaker 3>today thirty years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was listening to Lottie Dotty the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a cold record. Man, Snoop just got you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I think it is about that album? Man, it

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<v Speaker 3>was something that you've never heard before. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>anybody heard anything like that before. It's almost like when

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<v Speaker 3>Bone Thugs and Harmony came out with the album, you

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<v Speaker 3>had never heard nothing like that previous to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot closer to something I never heard. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was funny. I had this crazy epiphany. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>share it with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, as I started learning about records and hip hop

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<v Speaker 5>and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you we talked all the time. During that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I start figuring out how things, how.

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<v Speaker 5>People and producers put together like ideas, Like I was able.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear like nobody told me, But I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to hear.

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<v Speaker 5>When I start hearing Thriller, I could finally hear Rick James,

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<v Speaker 5>I could hear give it to me Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first heard it, nobody told me. They said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look glasses.

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<v Speaker 5>This baseline on Thriller was interpolated from Rick James, Give

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<v Speaker 5>it to me baby. Nobody had to tell me I

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<v Speaker 5>could just hear it now. I could hear Billy Jean

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<v Speaker 5>and hear Hauler notes. I can hear don't stop to

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<v Speaker 5>you get enough, you know what I mean, and hear

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<v Speaker 5>that came from Marvin Gaye, Got to give it Up.

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<v Speaker 5>I could hear beat It and hear you know the

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<v Speaker 5>song that inspired that, my Sharona m Right, So I

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<v Speaker 5>could see what they were doing. I think even when

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<v Speaker 5>I listen to Doggy Style, right, because the chronic to

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<v Speaker 5>me is when Drake put his foot in the water

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<v Speaker 5>in that kind of danceable funk right with songs like

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<v Speaker 5>fuck with dreda g than even Let Me Ride was

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit more funkier than where Dre had been

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<v Speaker 5>at that time, you know what I mean. And he

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<v Speaker 5>still had a really good, healthy amount of breakbeats in

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<v Speaker 5>there on some of those songs on the chronic, But

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<v Speaker 5>by the time he got the Doggy Style, he was

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<v Speaker 5>like submerged in the shit. He was like, y'all, g

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<v Speaker 5>funk this motherfucker out this my fucker finn to be

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<v Speaker 5>the funkiest hip hop record on the market. But now

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<v Speaker 5>when I hear it with my ears, you know, when

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<v Speaker 5>I hear those songs even all of the doggy style

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<v Speaker 5>songs and the chronic song you know what here you

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<v Speaker 5>know what song?

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<v Speaker 3>I hear?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that DJ quick tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what? I believe that, bro. And you have

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<v Speaker 3>to look at something else that was going on at

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<v Speaker 3>that time too. You remember, Warren and Snoop had been

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like in boot camp with Cole one, Eddy Seven,

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<v Speaker 3>Hutch and all of them guys over Above the Law,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it was two things that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just coincided together. Those guys. You know, Snoop lines up

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<v Speaker 3>over there with Drake, right, you know, and here comes

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<v Speaker 3>Warren g They have been their understudies kind of. And

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<v Speaker 3>Drake just got finished working with them brothers on the

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<v Speaker 3>last n WA album, the Niggas for Life album, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So I think, man, he just took what they was

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<v Speaker 3>doing to another level. And that's not no knocks against

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<v Speaker 3>Above the Law because Above the Law some funky motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I think Above the Law had shout out

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<v Speaker 5>to Hutch. Above the Law had more of a harder funk.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a danceable funk.

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<v Speaker 3>It was more you know, you gotta remember, I think

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<v Speaker 3>those guys are related to wasn't they related to Ike

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<v Speaker 3>Turner Man I related to the other, to Willie Huts,

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<v Speaker 3>will Dull, you know Willie Huts.

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<v Speaker 5>So they had like a more pure funk. It was

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<v Speaker 5>more well, I don't want to say if it was pure.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it just wasn't a danceable funk. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's why I keep saying. Even before Above the Law,

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<v Speaker 5>DJ Quick in eighty eight with Born and Raised and

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<v Speaker 5>Tonight the Clear, the Climax sample, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what dre Man Quick does.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of work Quick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's done a lot of work for Drake. You know

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<v Speaker 3>when you listen to some of fifty cent songs, like

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<v Speaker 3>it can't be done and all that just the way

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<v Speaker 3>the piano and you know what's crazy. Man. Before I

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<v Speaker 3>even knew officially that Quick had worked on the fifty

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<v Speaker 3>cent songs, I could hear just from being in the

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<v Speaker 3>studio with tone and sugar freaking all of them. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a certain swing that he got to his drums, man,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a certain everything Quick do is live like

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<v Speaker 3>even when he resamples it, it's like some live ship.

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<v Speaker 3>He would have a motherfucker come over there and play

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<v Speaker 3>like a classic piano. Yeah, and he would sample that

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<v Speaker 3>shit like Quick Doom sample ship hardly from records. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>everything he does is replayed, and I could hear certain

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<v Speaker 3>things on there, like even in the club, the way

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<v Speaker 3>those if you're listening to the club, the way the

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<v Speaker 3>drum swing, the way to pump, it almost sounded like

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<v Speaker 3>his clubs don't have no quantize.

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<v Speaker 5>On like everything is Definitely, I definitely believe Dre and

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<v Speaker 5>Quick definitely are the type to get away from quantizing.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, because you can't quantize a real drum. Like

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<v Speaker 3>when you on stage and hear those drummers, Man, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a quantized thing on it. They just up

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<v Speaker 3>to the exam.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody taught me something really early and I did it

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<v Speaker 5>would cancel these nuts where like I put the kicks

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<v Speaker 5>and the snare, they're not all the same volume and

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<v Speaker 5>most people can't hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you really go back and listen to cancel

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<v Speaker 1>these nuts.

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<v Speaker 5>I staggered a lot of them in pay and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of them just a little bit, so when they play,

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<v Speaker 5>they almost play like they could be real. But that's

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<v Speaker 5>not the point. I don't want to get too far

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<v Speaker 5>away from what we were saying, right. I think if

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<v Speaker 5>you go back to nineteen eighty eight, right, which is

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<v Speaker 5>before above the law, right when Quick first came out, Right,

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<v Speaker 5>Quick Quick records the red tape the streets and with

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<v Speaker 5>eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, eighty eight, eighty eight, seven eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, listen to Tonight and listen to Born and Raised.

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<v Speaker 5>That style of production.

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<v Speaker 1>Became the way we hear G funk.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, not the title I think Hudgs for sure comp

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Hudge for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Coined that title.

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<v Speaker 5>G Funk, But the sound is very much DJ Quick,

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<v Speaker 5>Tonight and Born and Raised.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what, I can see that man, And

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, going back to Quick a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he gets slept on a lot of times, man,

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<v Speaker 3>A lot that is his fault. You know, Quick say

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<v Speaker 3>he underestimate you know, people underestimate him. He didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>the props he deserved. And he's probably right to a

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<v Speaker 3>certain degree, but a lot of that is his fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Quick is all Rick.

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<v Speaker 5>James Quickly are Rick James like like Prince and Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Jackson probably owe a huge part of their success in.

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<v Speaker 1>The eighties to Rick James.

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<v Speaker 5>Solely Rick James, even the whole androdgingist feel as I

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<v Speaker 5>studied and did my homework. Rick James seems like he's

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<v Speaker 5>the first androdging, this urban figure that was like a

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<v Speaker 5>big deal in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and that just sounds so funny calling Ricky

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<v Speaker 3>and friction because he was the most. He was the

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<v Speaker 3>nigger is of the most niggas.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, but but if you look at how he dressed

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<v Speaker 5>and how he can't you know what's crazy? I agree,

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<v Speaker 5>But that's like when Cameron was wearing a pink when

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<v Speaker 5>I was coming up right in my end. You never

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<v Speaker 5>thought for two seconds Cam was taking no dick.

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<v Speaker 1>You just like they can.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, this nigga fashion is off the hook. This nigga

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<v Speaker 5>got enough swagger to me. That's what I got from

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<v Speaker 5>Rick James versus Prince where Prince came across. I remember

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<v Speaker 5>being a little kid thinking like, man, it's Prince gay,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. I don't know how y'all felt,

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<v Speaker 5>because that's kind of y'all are coming into y'all teen

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<v Speaker 5>years closely roughly for y'all, y'all was starting to come

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<v Speaker 5>close to being in your ten years, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We was definitely in our teen years. Like Rick James

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<v Speaker 3>for me is like kind of like toward the end

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<v Speaker 3>of elementary going up to junior high and he kind

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<v Speaker 3>of shit, man, even surpass that, man, you got to

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<v Speaker 3>think about it. Dog. I met Prince one night. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't meet him. I saw him at the ground. He

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<v Speaker 3>had a club downtown LA called the Grand Slam.

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<v Speaker 1>That changed it to the three three three yep, And it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like three different levels on this it was off

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<v Speaker 3>the hook club Dog because it had like a like

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<v Speaker 3>a pop kind of like dancefield floor. Then it had

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<v Speaker 3>a reggae floor, and then they had like a hardcore

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop floor. Right. And I was going up the

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<v Speaker 3>stairs to the hip hop floor and I saw Prince

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<v Speaker 3>coming down the stairs. He was with a bunch of girls.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I take these women look like angels.

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<v Speaker 1>G.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, just like it was like he was

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<v Speaker 3>surrounded by angels all for sure. Yeah, it was like

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<v Speaker 3>he was surrounded by angels. And he's just the most

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<v Speaker 3>gorgeous woman. And when I tell you that, this nigga

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<v Speaker 3>had on like a suit like he was counting Dracula

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<v Speaker 3>or something. Dog And it didn't seem like this nigga

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<v Speaker 3>touched the stairs almost like he just glided down the

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<v Speaker 3>stairs ula. Yeah, and he was just like what's up everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>Like he just passed me and my homeboys and we

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<v Speaker 3>stood to the side. He was like, damn, that's Prince

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<v Speaker 3>right there, and this motherfucker like it was floating with

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of women around him. Dog, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>just like he had a big ass glass in his hand.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was always what's crazy to me is for

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<v Speaker 5>as weird and as assless chaps, he still always seemed

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<v Speaker 5>like a nigga.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah he is STUDI And I heard Prince had hands.

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<v Speaker 5>I probably got probably fire somebody the way Charlie Murphy

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<v Speaker 5>talking about because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he had hands because he was way too

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<v Speaker 1>to not have hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't homeboy admit, didn't Charlie admit that Prince put hands

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<v Speaker 3>on one night? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, he beat him in basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I heard Prince saying hens. It is just

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<v Speaker 3>like Usher is a fighting motherfucker. It's just something like

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<v Speaker 3>they're all in.

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<v Speaker 5>Georgian and they shout out to them Atlanta, Georgia and

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<v Speaker 5>them niggas gonna fight your motherfucker. Now, they'll fight you.

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<v Speaker 5>The motherfucker gonna have some hands t last, probably can

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<v Speaker 5>fight a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know what were we going back to that man,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta talk about this this way off subject and

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<v Speaker 3>Marca go laugh, you know. Shout out to the homeboy

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<v Speaker 3>Maca where we recorded at the Coin Academy. They got

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<v Speaker 3>Friday night fades, right, and they got a boxing coach

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<v Speaker 3>man that's really good called they called him the Sensey, right.

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<v Speaker 3>He been training these young brothers out here, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>been going around the country whooping ass. California just caught

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<v Speaker 3>their first l Guess where they was at. Somewhere in

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<v Speaker 3>the midwell, they was in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, let.

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<v Speaker 5>Atlanta niggas can fight. I'm telling you Avanda holy Field

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<v Speaker 5>from Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>The yeah, you know, I can see it in I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on country ass niggas well, you know, all of main

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<v Speaker 3>country because I forgot this.

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta ain't Atlanta. Ain't that country.

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<v Speaker 5>Atlanta country. It got Southern roots. But they's some city niggas,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm getting and I'm getting out of that man

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<v Speaker 3>calling our brothers pastor you know, in the South country niggas,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Texas niggas.

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<v Speaker 3>Love.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to all my texts.

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<v Speaker 5>I love being called country because Texas is really the

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<v Speaker 5>country Oklahoma, really the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta is city is Atlanta is like l A.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can see catch in Atlanta, Atlanta groyn E

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<v Speaker 3>than the motherfucker dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And it got bad.

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<v Speaker 5>It used to be such a man I've been the

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<v Speaker 5>first time I went to Atlanta and I seen black

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<v Speaker 5>police officers and I remember I was with Dazz. Dash

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<v Speaker 5>had picked me up from the airport, right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>riding with Dash to his house. Shout out the DZ

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<v Speaker 5>and we riding and ship and it's me, him and

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<v Speaker 5>somebody and I'm looking at the police.

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<v Speaker 1>He like you this, this, this ain't la. You ain't

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<v Speaker 1>got to worry about them.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just kept on looking at this black police

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<v Speaker 5>he's next to us, and that nigga looked over the

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<v Speaker 5>fuck you looking at that nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>And drove off in his police car.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember thinking to myself, like, I'm home because

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<v Speaker 5>I'm home, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>And ge that's one of the reasons why I love Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>But back to Prince though, Dog, I just think, man,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta remember Prince and them. Man probably was influenced

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<v Speaker 3>more than anything else about little Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's dope. He from Atlanta too, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel what I'm saying. The Georgia too, I would assume

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<v Speaker 3>dog because if you looked at all the brothers back

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<v Speaker 3>in the fifties and sixties, they wore makeup, had their

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<v Speaker 3>hair back in a little you know, boo fine or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever like that, had to relax and shit in their hair.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that a whole little drogness look man,

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<v Speaker 3>But Rick got it off. Rick almost looked like somebody

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<v Speaker 3>was making him do that shit though he just had it.

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<v Speaker 5>He still had a masklin. Don't get me wrong. When

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<v Speaker 5>Prince opened up, you could tell Prince was a nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>But his fear was super soft.

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<v Speaker 5>For Rick, You've been wearing all that shit, still look

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<v Speaker 5>like a nigga wearing all that shit, like this nigga crazy,

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<v Speaker 5>Like Prince gave you like maybe he's gay. Till he

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<v Speaker 5>started talking. Rick was like this nigga just crazy. Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Jackson seemed like when Michael Jackson did it was like

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<v Speaker 5>little kid. When Prince did it, it was like its nigga

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<v Speaker 5>kind of different.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick, did it? You like this nigga crazy?

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<v Speaker 5>Even the way if you think I Rick sang songs

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<v Speaker 5>and shit like Rick saying that fucking ballad, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>to me, that's quick, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'll DM quick.

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<v Speaker 5>Just a crazy thought like that I had about hip hop,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, yo, like tonight, like you was listening

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<v Speaker 5>to to Uh Like I was just like you was

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<v Speaker 5>listening to Too Short. Don't fight the feeling. He'd just

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<v Speaker 5>laugh like he'll just send me laugh at the mosies

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<v Speaker 5>like you're over there studying and I know I be

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<v Speaker 5>on it, you know what I'm saying, even talking to

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<v Speaker 5>Too Short, Like what made did you even go to

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<v Speaker 5>that danceable funk at that time?

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<v Speaker 3>Too Short? It's just like the epictone of funk though

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<v Speaker 3>when you just listened to his albums man like I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking about that, man like. I think one of

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<v Speaker 3>my hardest beats, one of my favorite beats of all

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<v Speaker 3>time is the Dope Thien beat. Just his baselines, Too

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<v Speaker 3>Short always had really crazy ass baselines, Dog, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's because he comes from an area you gotta remember, Dog.

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening to him one day, man, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I got to give his props from the

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<v Speaker 3>interview he did with Too Short, because it just took

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<v Speaker 3>you way back, you know how he just got his

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<v Speaker 3>start and everything. So when Too Short signed to his

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<v Speaker 3>first record label. They didn't really have hip hop producers

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<v Speaker 3>back then. He had a band of you know, brothers

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<v Speaker 3>from over. He had a four piece band, so he

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<v Speaker 3>kind of had to coach them on what he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to wrap over. So he had this live feel that

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<v Speaker 3>wound up staying with him the majority of his career.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you look at it, Dog, all the Short

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<v Speaker 3>albums that are so major units that would either platum

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<v Speaker 3>or go all featured, all were steeped in live production.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's true, but they had a real hip hop feel.

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<v Speaker 3>His drums always, he always had that eight o eight

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<v Speaker 3>dog with live and just live instrumentation, bro, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just really really funky. I would love to see

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<v Speaker 3>just Short and Banks get down one more time, Dog,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to hear that.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, why is it one more time I

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<v Speaker 5>get upset thinking about not getting another juvenile many Fresh

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<v Speaker 5>album or tumping TI album, or you know, like when

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<v Speaker 5>your favorite artists got with your favorite producer and then

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<v Speaker 5>that sound to find who they were, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I missed that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I always say, nobody told these niggas to change.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, these niggas felt that they needed to grow up,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know I missed him. He slipped that blues funk.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, that blues funk is what it was, so cinematic.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like when you first heard motherfucking you know, growing

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<v Speaker 5>up in a hood like that Clear Patricks thing. Like

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<v Speaker 5>how they flipped that, And that's what made Compton's most

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<v Speaker 5>wanted shit different. Quick shit was all super disco funk.

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<v Speaker 5>You mean, it was always hella danceable. Like I remember

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<v Speaker 5>going to parties as a little kid, like in the

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<v Speaker 5>fifth grade and then playing Quick like that day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, Quick as a genius, man, And seeing that

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<v Speaker 3>dude in the studio, man work on them boards, man,

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<v Speaker 3>and how he was just I remember sitting up there

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<v Speaker 3>watching them. Man. I think we might have been in

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<v Speaker 3>passive feet man, and I was just watching him play

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<v Speaker 3>with this one snare dog and it sounded perfect to me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, especially at that time because I'm with nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm at right now, you know, as far as

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<v Speaker 3>music and production and stuff. I just sat up there

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<v Speaker 3>and the cold thing about him he had took the

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<v Speaker 3>snare from I forget which record it was from, but

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<v Speaker 3>he took a snare from a record and he was

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<v Speaker 3>just in there, fine tuning and putting his own thing

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<v Speaker 3>on it. And he was so meticulous with the glasses

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<v Speaker 3>to where it was just like, man, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Snare, why'd you fucking with this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? But it was It's just like he was a

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<v Speaker 3>scientist almost. But then you didn't hear what he did

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.879
<v Speaker 3>to it until you until he put the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff around it, and it was just like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I see what he meant now. That snare is just

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<v Speaker 3>like a centerpiece of that whole thing right.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, carving it out, yeah, quick quick as one of

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<v Speaker 5>the you know what, I never got a chance just

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<v Speaker 5>to switch gears. Why do you think Gangster Is Paradise

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<v Speaker 5>didn't get the credit they deserved?

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I can't. We can't say that though it was

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<v Speaker 3>the number one album, it was the number.

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<v Speaker 1>One not not not success.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, But if you really think about it, gangst His

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<v Speaker 5>Paradise could be the great this gangster rap song ever.

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<v Speaker 3>It may be Dog and I think what it is bro.

0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 3>I think in hip hop in.

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<v Speaker 1>General, that's something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when something succeeds Dog, it's almost looked at us like,

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<v Speaker 3>especially during that time period, I would say, like, you

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 3>gotta remember mc henry was one of the most successful

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<v Speaker 3>rappers ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but his shit started at the top, not not him,

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<v Speaker 5>but like, you can't test this. It was gonna start

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<v Speaker 5>everywhere at once, but cause it was that it. Don't

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<v Speaker 5>get me wrong, I think that's a great record, but

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<v Speaker 5>it was gonna start at the top. But a song

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<v Speaker 5>like Gangster's Paradise, even just from a lyrical like to me,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I text Ice T and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 5>is colors but just in ninety five or ninety six.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you knew that was LV song, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>LV told me it was his song.

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<v Speaker 5>It was his, and he said he wanted somebody else

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.680
<v Speaker 5>to rap on it, and they told him he should

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.159
<v Speaker 5>get Coolier to rap on it, and he ended up

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<v Speaker 5>coolly ended up putting a couple verses on song.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, And what happened is the record company Coolio's

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.399
<v Speaker 3>album was about to come out, and they said, this

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<v Speaker 3>would be a good record for him. We're giving it

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<v Speaker 3>to him. Can you imagine that, dog? You got a

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<v Speaker 3>surefire smash. But this is the way stuff usually works.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were to game with the LV, maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have been as big as a record.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, sure, And plus I don't know if they want.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you want LV that record to

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<v Speaker 5>be LV if Coolio got two verses, so it does

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<v Speaker 5>change the dynamic of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You know what, though, Bro and I would say

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<v Speaker 3>this as a whole dog Coolio was probably one of

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.359
<v Speaker 3>the more underrated rappers. Coolio was actually a really good rapper. Dog.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but even when you listen to the lyrics of

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 5>that song, like he described gang banging as articulate, probably

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 5>the most articulate you ever heard it, Like the whole

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 5>situation of being a gang member, like Gangster's Paradise defines

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<v Speaker 5>it better than any record I've actually ever heard. Like

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<v Speaker 5>it's almost, like I said, it's an evolved version.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Colors, Like Colors is eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this song is in ninety five, and it

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.399
<v Speaker 5>takes it up a notch from where Ice Tea started

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 5>explaining Ice Tea to me gave a Minu was in

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<v Speaker 5>eighty eight, So it's kind of the first time you

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<v Speaker 5>heard a gangster's perspective. Like, don't get me wrong, you

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<v Speaker 5>can you can go back to all that rappers, rap

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<v Speaker 5>disco company stuff where like bad Time shout out to

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis because they was making West

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.679
<v Speaker 5>Coast bangers long before the scene was developed. You know

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<v Speaker 5>in eighty two eighty three songs like bad Times right

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<v Speaker 5>by who did Bad Times?

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Bad Time?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>Who did do bad.

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>That Captain rapper?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that might have been Captain Ramp. I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to get away from Gangster's periodise because the

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that's funny about hip hop dog is I

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<v Speaker 3>think every rapper at one time wanted the sample at

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<v Speaker 3>Stevie won the record, but didn't know how to Coolio

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 3>did it to cool them came with.

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<v Speaker 1>It, I swear to this day.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I want to sample of a Stevie wonder

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 5>song so bad, but like his songs the way because

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 5>he played dog and he played his ship got so

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 5>many like mild changes, you know what I mean, mild

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.639
<v Speaker 5>changes where you be like you can't keep up, you

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 5>can't play, like like think about like shed so many tears. Right,

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 5>that's from a cool I mean, that's from a Stevie

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 5>Wonders song.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, dude, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know that's harmonica and it's like that's a top tier

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 5>artist to try to fuck with his records because he

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<v Speaker 5>just nasty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he was, and so that that goes back to

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<v Speaker 3>the genius of Gangster's Paradise because from the way they

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<v Speaker 3>put the record together, I think everybody wanted them, the

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 3>way those filings was and the way that.

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Horn was in there with them.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the past?

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Nasty LV shout out to elcause, Hey, I know you

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 5>be listening to this ship, Bigga, that's crazy that that's.

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you were Doug and did that,

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>but that's crazy.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 3>That was slipping who produced that record, Doug, Doug Rashid

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 3>is a bad motherfucker dog yea to me.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, didn't be the motherfuckers that pull that ship out,

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean? That just somebody who That's

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 5>like the niggas who did Rest in Peace to a

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 5>c Night, but like the dudes who did uh Summertime

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 5>in the LBC. Them dudes just fucking incredible.

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 3>That beat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what I want to speak on that

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, man. You know, we lost a hip

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 3>hop legend, man, and I don't throw that word around

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Lucy legend, but he was a lection in the city. Yeah,

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, when it comes to the city alone beating

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 3>all they've done and hip hop dog man Rest in

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:03.199
<v Speaker 3>Peace Man. That's real saying. You know that was the

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 3>homie man Ce Night Man. What's crazy cause I know

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Big C Night though, so he was Little s Night. Yeah,

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.239
<v Speaker 3>so he was Little Sea Night. Yep, I know Big C. Night.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 3>That's the homy dog Man.

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<v Speaker 5>That motherfucking song is so classic. Like in the West Coast,

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 5>that shit come on. It's funny because soon as that

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 5>song come on, every don't get me wrong, everybody from

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.960
<v Speaker 5>the West Coast party to Summertime in LBC.

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>But boy, it's a pride. There's two songs out.

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 5>Of Loan Beach, My Nigga, that the Man, the greatest

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 5>Long Beach Pride ever. Those two songs right are Summertime

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.160
<v Speaker 5>in LBC, and I love it.

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Because everybody from the West Coast is gonna jump up

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>when those two songs come on.

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 5>But a long Beach nigga is gonna be eyes closed,

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 5>hands up, sets waving, going crazy, and you could always

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 5>see who from Loan Beach.

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 1>We had a really dope conversation about who was more,

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>who was more? It wasn't.

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 5>I think it was impactful because it wasn't who was

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 5>more influential.

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>It was more impactful.

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 5>Lone Beach as a scene on hip hop or Compton,

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 5>And it was so funny going back and forth, right

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 5>because it was like, you know, you don't get the

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 5>coast without n w A right, but then do you

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 5>get the the infamy without Snoop?

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 3>You know what? Man? If I had to compare to

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 3>two places, Man, it's almost like comparing queens in Brooklyn

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 3>when you talk about the East Coast, if you talked

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 3>about the West Coast, Man Watts would be like.

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>It's weird.

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 5>Right, I'm gonna tell you why to watches Brownsville because

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 5>Watts is a neighborhood in Los Angeles, you know what

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 5>I mean? Like like like Brownsville is a neighborhood in Brooklyn.

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 5>It's just a rough his neighborhood in Brooklyn. Whighbor Huh.

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 3>It's almost you almost want to call it a subdivision

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 3>of Compton, though almost.

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 5>Well, the Hub and the Dub is a really but

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 5>Compton is its own city. Compton has a mayor, a

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 5>court system of jail. Watts is a part of Los Angeles.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Like all our addresses read Los Angeles nine double five

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 5>nine or Los Angeles non triple o two. So you know,

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 5>it's like Brownsville. I've had this start a million times.

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 5>If Watts was, it'll be like if Los Angeles would

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 5>be Brooklyn, Queens would probably be Compton.

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would probably be Compton. What would Long Beach speak?

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>See, Long Beach is probably stat nian.

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 3>You know whatse Long Beach is the nicest ghetto city

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 3>ever done.

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, I get what you're saying. I always used to

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 5>tease my Long Beach homies. It's the only place in

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 5>the world where you can be poor as a motherfucker.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 5>It's the only city in Los Angeles, Like that's like,

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 5>that's like a.

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>City, like, you know, one of them small cities that.

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 5>You could be poor as a motherfucker living there or

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 5>rich as a motherfuck. You could be as poor as

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 5>a motherfuck on the east on the west, because the

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 5>West is hella poor, nobody talking, you know.

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I can see the Long Beach is my home dog.

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 3>When I first came to California as a keyd dog,

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 3>that's where I lived and that's where I've always been.

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 3>I've never strayed too far away from Long Beach.

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because you're from this side of the one ten.

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 5>But east west Long Beach, East West Long Beach north.

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of north. It got gentrified at this point.

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 5>But it's crazy because you could be poor as a

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 5>motherfucker live in Long Beach, but then you got the

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 5>golf course over there in the rigs right, you got

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 5>bel my shoulders. Or you can live on the hill,

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, Signal Hill, you know. Or you can live

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 5>really to me, which is truly the eastiest part of

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 5>Long Beach, where you by the town center where all

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 5>of them houses is. Is they not hella expensive, but

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 5>it's definitely like all the people who go to Milliken,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, and them people live like

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 5>a suburban middle class experience. And I always always said

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 5>if I was from Long Beach, it'd be a place

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 5>I'd never leave, because you could be in Long Beach, hell.

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Of poor, right and live over there.

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 5>You know, off of Long Beach Boulevard over there with

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 5>the Poyo Loco and the McDonald's on them little.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Backstreets east, poor as a motherfucker, live right there.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 5>Apartment you know, so many bros I know got apartment

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 5>for three hundred and fifty dollars, they first apartment in

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 5>the nineties, three hundred and fifty dollars for a one bedroom,

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 5>or you could be that poor in Long Beach, or

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 5>you can go to the bel My Shores where they

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 5>have their motherfucking houses, or or Seal Beach, because we

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 5>all consider Seal Beach a part of Long Beach and

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 5>be up at three million dollars mansion on the beach

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 5>right there, and then motherfuckers steal it's ten, twelve to

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 5>fifteen minutes apart from each other.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>But you know what a one thing that's always been

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 3>funny about Long Beach, man, it's when them dudes click up.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 3>It's some dangerous though.

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what to me.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.719
<v Speaker 5>The most dangerous niggas be the niggas that be that

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 5>close to wealth but be poor. It's like when you

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 5>watch Batman movies or like the Joker movie, and you

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 5>wonder why them niggas crazy. You can't put wealth that

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 5>close to poor motherfuckers and not think they gonna it's

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 5>gonna drive them niggas crazy.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Them niggas is extra crazy because they could.

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 5>Drive ten minutes and be like they and beild my

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 5>shoes or they in signal hell and you be.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck.

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 5>And eventually you gotta start to lose your fucking mind,

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 5>Like got them City where you know, motherfuck on the street.

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 5>But then Thomas Wayne penhouse is a twenty million dollar penhouse,

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 5>but you sleeping on the street right at the front door.

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for real. And you know, I want to go back,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 3>man to our original thought. Man, do you what's the

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 3>tightest song on Doggy Style? To you?

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>My favorite or the tightest?

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's your favorite?

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so the the great so the best Obviously, Obviously

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 5>the greatest song on Doggie Style is Jenn and Juice. Right,

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 5>The best song on Jenn and Juice is probably.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Ain't No Fun.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 5>My favorite song on Jenn and Juice is probably Doggy

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 5>dog World.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was gonna say. Man, It's like three

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 3>songs to me, and the way they sequence is a

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 3>motherfucker Doggie dog World. Dog Ain't no fun?

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 5>I take that back because I go back and forth.

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean, so when that record first came out, I

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 5>was too young, like I was like eleven, right, maybe twelve.

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 5>So I remember hearing it in the compa swap meet.

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 5>We was doing a low rider hop off with model cars.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 5>They used to do that the compwa. Me and my

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 5>older brother Moses used to know how to put the

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 5>hydraulics on the model cars and they would have hopoffs

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 5>card against car, the model cars and the swap meet,

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 5>and I won that year. The same month Doggy Staff

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 5>came out and I remember hearing as matter of fact,

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 5>Doggyastaff even came out. Who in mine had came came out?

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 5>You know what's my motherfucking name? And they was playing

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 5>that ship and I remember just thinking how hypnotizing this

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 5>song was. And I always remember my green sixty four

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 5>in problem, my model card Leprekahn, and that was my

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 5>first time winning it, and my older brother Moses, Moses

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 5>ass was hopping a card from me because he could

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 5>catch the switch.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And that motherfucker was hot.

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 3>You knew it was a song that was if you

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't get that first run a Doggie style, you missed

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 3>out in the cold last record. It was a song

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 3>on there man, I think that might have been Natan

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Hook with all the gerial geez please stand up and

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 3>all he counted for about the bits then you rolled

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 3>in with the bro That ship was so hard dog

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>it had like that that what sample was that from?

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Was that Curtis Mayfield? That might have been Curtis Mayfield

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 3>and it was hard as a motherfucker. They couldn't get

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 3>the sample clear dog.

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 5>But the doggy style intro, the g funk intro with

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 5>Rage is my favorite song right now currently on Dolly's staff,

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 5>so last year because it's changed probably seven different times now.

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 5>Don't get me wrong. The greatest song is Jenny Juice.

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 5>That's never changed. The best song is Ain't No Fun,

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 5>that's never changed. My favorite song changed last year.

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Was Doggie Dog World. This year, like I keep playing

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the intro Rage, right.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know what though, if that one song

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have got if that one song would have got cleared,

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 3>maybe we didn't get that intro.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but shit we Yeah, that's cruel and I need

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>that intro.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 3>And that's a cold last intro because to me, what

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 3>makes it so pivotal and Snoop's album, right yeah, A

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Rage starts step motherfucker off and the way she said

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 3>it off Dog, it was just perfect. She was on

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 3>that motherfucker busting dog. And this is a cold thing

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 3>because this is what I heard and me and eight

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>getting we actually go get Raggs on the show to

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 3>confirm some of this. I heard that Rage didn't like

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 3>g funk beats. I believe it, d Virginia, you know,

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 3>just just imagine, you know how she would have sounded, though, Dog.

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 3>The thing is, though, Man, I don't think nobody wanted

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>to hear rage on no hear beat on no DJ beats.

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I didn't really get a chance to

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it.

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 5>But I agree with you, she had a feel her

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 5>feel with a.

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Funk like that. G funk intro.

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 5>Is for sure one of the greatest intros I ever heard.

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 5>I mean, and I like that about death Bro. Even

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 5>when you hear the chronic, the first thing you really,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, Snoop is talking, Drey not talking.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Snoop is talking. Yeah, that deathro recipe.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.760
<v Speaker 3>The funny thing about it, though, Dog, you know, sowing

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 3>is funny. He said that he didn't like Doggy style

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 3>more than the chronic because he wanted to hear Drey

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 3>rapmore I said was sowing. Frey is really the producer, Dog,

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 3>he's the sound man. You know what I'm saying. He

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>don't want to. I don't really think Drake wanted to

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>rap it. You know what, Drey is actually a great rapper. Dog.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, I heard Drake wrote easy easy verse. Someone

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 3>actually put me up on that dog he wrote easy

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 3>ease verse on wait a minute for some people to leave,

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.479
<v Speaker 3>or got another trick up my sleeve step with pep

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 3>to the back of the house, moving all the lights out.

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>That sound like a producer rapping it too.

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that motherfucker was an easy Oh my goodness.

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Dre is more than dog, more than Dre is more than.

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 5>Capable of writing records, you know what I mean. I

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 5>just think he knows other people are better at it

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 5>than he is. And he's such a fucking stickler and true,

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 5>you know, master of this ship that he like, I'm

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 5>gonna go to the best, Like first off, think about it, dog,

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 5>like the dude who wrote keep your Head Ringing California

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 5>Love right, he knew how to do things with with

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 5>homie feel me that homie couldn't do for hisself, you

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 5>know what I mean. Like Dre just is you know,

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 5>he's truly the Quincy Jones and hip hop dog like

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 5>of just what's going on, Like he's just not And

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 5>then it's probably a disservice to call him the Quincy

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 5>Jones of just hip hop, you know.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 3>What I mean.

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Like Mary J. Blige's biggest song is produced by Doctor Dre.

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 3>You know what, man, that the thing is. Man, I

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 3>think Trey is like to say, like he's the Quincy Jones.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Trey is fucking just in his own right. He is fucking.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Quincy Jones, well in his own rights.

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Because he can he can. He can produce R and

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 3>B just as good great as he can produce hip hop.

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 3>So he's probably one of the greatest producers of all time,

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>dog all around. Because if Dray just decided right out

0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 3>of Flip and say, I ain't doing nothing but R

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 3>and B, I think we would have some incredible R

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and B. I think we would see R and B

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 3>starting to make a comeback because R and B ain't

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.919
<v Speaker 3>been great in a long time. Though I don't even

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 3>know if it was. I think you got R and

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 3>B artists trying to be rappers, and you got you

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 3>feel what I'm.

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Saying, Well, I just think. I think. I think music

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago, you know.

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 5>As as late as twenty years ago, was still a

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 5>collaborative effort. And I don't think music is a collaborative

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 5>effort now. I think, you know, to get in the studio,

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 5>you had to have multiple motherfuckers right in there working

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 5>on a record, you know what I mean, because it

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 5>was just too much equipment. It was too many things

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 5>that was needed to make it happen. So you had

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 5>a meeting of the minds when you're making records, right

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 5>versus now where you have a kid in his bedroom

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 5>with a laptop and and maybe a MIDI controller and

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 5>he's trying to generate the same type of power that

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 5>James Brown.

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 1>What was the name of James Brown's band?

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 3>What was James Brown's band's name?

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 5>Or or or even like like Barry White, what was

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 5>the name of the what orchestra was that.

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Called Barry White? And the fucking let me let me

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>look at I'm about to google this ship, not.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Think about it.

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 5>Right, these big bands, you know, all of the minds

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 5>coming in right where you have Booty Collins in the band, right,

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 5>you have Macy O Parker in the band.

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 3>All these niggas are limited orchestra.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 5>That's a club, unlimited orchestra, right, So you have all

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 5>these brilliant musician minds in there too.

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>Just because Barry is dope, you know.

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 3>What I mean.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 5>The nigga who was playing the violin was dope to me,

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 5>Like man, Barry I don't know if that's gonna work, Nigga,

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 5>we probably need to This is how you need to

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 5>play it. James Brown is telling Bocy something. James the

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 5>JB's right, but James Brown telling Boogie something, and I

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 5>can hear Boogie like, I don't know.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Baby, you know, we probably need to play it like this.

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 5>And he put that little twist on and he's like,

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 5>you know what, You're right, Boosie, and he ain't guess what. Now,

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 5>it's just one little dude in there with his laptop

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 5>and maybe a Midigan Jowler trying to emulate the fucking JB's.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for real, man, you know, I think we're about

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 3>to have one. I think Court he trying to jump

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.439
<v Speaker 3>in on this discussion, man. So it's gonna be interested, man,

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 3>because the part of the Midwest Corter is from, man,

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Kansas City is a little different.

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>They got good barbecue.

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, it's a little different the rest of the Midwest. Man.

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I would say it's a lot like Cleveland. It's a

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 3>little bit. It's a lot like Cleveland in a lot

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 3>of ways.

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, Kansas City to me, leans more west. Cleveland needs

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 5>more East as far as like influence, you.

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Know, what man. You know what, though I don't know,

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 3>Cleveland loves some West Coast hip hop dog Cleveland love

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 3>like like I would definitely say man that, I would

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 3>definitely say that nw A got a lot of love

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 3>in Cleveland. The Ghetto boys got a lot of love

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 3>in Cleveland. Cleveland kind of fucked with some everybody, but

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 3>it's as close to it or to New York dog.

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 3>They didn't really fuck with, you know, Cleveland like New

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>York shit though I ain't gonna say it, don't, but

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>they fuck with more. They fuck with more West Coast

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 3>shit than anything else.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just thinking though. It's like but but

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>back to that point, it's like.

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 5>I think that's what's wrong, and I think that's the complaint,

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.879
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean about music. It's like it's

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 5>like you asking like some kid with his laptop bro

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 5>is trying to compete with the musical brilliance of the JBS, right,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 5>or the Titanic Orchestra. Like so even though Barry might

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 5>be conducting the orchestra or the Heat because the Nigga

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.880
<v Speaker 5>had an ill conductor too, Right, So even if Barry

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 5>had an idea he could come.

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>In the studio be like, yeah, you know this how

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do this shit, and then conducted be like,

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Barry, that might not. You know, that

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>might not. We might need to do it this way.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 5>Who the fuck is telling that little dude in there

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 5>with his laptop and his mini controller the same thing?

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Who is the booty Collins

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of a modern day producer in the room with James

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Brown and Macy o'park.

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm gonna tell you this though, the thing that

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>made Mustard great, The reason why Mustard don't been dominating

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 3>more niggas in the rooms is because he had people

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 3>in the room. And he comes from a party scene.

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 3>You remember you was telling me about the little niggas

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 3>that was having the parties out here. That's Jim and

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 3>he and it all comes same way from Trede. Trey

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 3>was in the nightclub all the time. Alonzo had him

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 3>in the night club all the time. He was djaying,

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 3>So he comes from dj in. I think any great

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 3>producer has to have roots and being a DJ, especially

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 3>in hip hop.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 5>Well even in n w A right, it's yellow, it's yellow.

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 5>Arabian Prince was there early right making the music with

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 5>doctor Dre. It still was three Minds and hell. By

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 5>the time Dre got to the Chronic or two thousand

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 5>and one, he had a grip of motherfuckers in the room,

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. So again, the reason, you

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 5>know your concerns about R and B is it's just

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 5>not as many people participating because with the process now,

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:25.280
<v Speaker 5>it's really just really a nigga with a MIDI controller

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 5>in the laptop and he pecking away at shit. And

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 5>that nigga cannot be Macy O Parker with Boosey Collins,

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 5>with the genius of James Brown and all the other

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 5>niggas in the.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>JBS that I don't even know. That's probably some shit

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 1>right now.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 3>It ain't nobody else. I got to give an introduction

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 3>at home where Big Court just came in the building,

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 3>my man, Court Baby, going on, what's going on? What's

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 3>up with y'all?

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>As a monster man?

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 3>We send up. We were talking about a little bit

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 3>about music, man. You know, we come on the thing. Man.

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>We were about to drop these you know, fifty greatest

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 3>hip albums of all time, man, and my number one

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 3>was Doggy Style, and I think eight number one is

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Doggy Style eight. I mean Sarring, Well, he's not conflicted.

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.320
<v Speaker 3>He's let it be known as the Chronic is his

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 3>number one. No, actually, Death Certificate is his number one,

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 3>and I think Doggy Style may fall number two. But

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I was telling Glasses, I said, man, you know, Kansas

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 3>City kind of got Kansas City had got a really

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 3>heavy Bay Area influence down there. As crazy as that sounds,

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 3>all just really just the Bay Area, you know. Would

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 3>would you agree man, that Doggy Style is probably the

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 3>greatest hip hop album of all time? Not for me? No?

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 3>M hm, who would you say? Yours is? Man?

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.919
<v Speaker 6>That would be tough, But I would have to say,

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 6>off the top of my head, Off the top of

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 6>my head, no skips that I could say that was

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 6>super impactful for me personally. It would be between It's

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.240
<v Speaker 6>crazy because Q would have two. Q would have America's

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 6>Most Wanted and death Certificate is.

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Death Certificate, which I was conflicted about that, but I said,

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was a greater album.

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 6>Nah, but I would But again, my my unpopular opinion

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 6>for the If I had to say, the most complete

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 6>hip hop album for me personally would be Spice One's

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 6>America's Most America's Nightmare.

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 4>I can see that from Kansas City nigga America America.

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 6>I can see Kansas City niggas saying, seriously, America's nightmare.

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 5>Why argue with sp Spice one is one of those enigmas,

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.839
<v Speaker 5>bro for everybody growing up where it's like you knew

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 5>he was some ship.

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It just depends on where you called him at.

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 6>Like I'm gonna tell you why I think that Spice

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 6>to me, intricately speaking and skillfully speaking, it's a better

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 6>rapper than Snoop Dogg. I think Snoop Dogg. Of course

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 6>he has more personality, more sauce more. Uh, you know,

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 6>he got that swag, he has that it factor, that

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 6>star power. But you know, in terms of like just

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 6>the skill level, I think, you know, Spice Yeah, for me,

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean?

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 4>And then with the with the whole person.

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Up here to night man. Hey, But and I love

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Spice one, Chico, you my nigga, I love you dog Chico.

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 3>Spice one is the ship with Spice one and no

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 3>time zone and no planet in this universe?

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 6>Is he ever fucking with Dog? But I'm gonna be

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 6>honest with you. Dog Dog was Dog is dope. But

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna be honest with you that that that doggie

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 6>style didn't resonate with me. Don't get me wrong, it

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 6>was dope. It's super dope, but it didn't resonate with

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 6>me like like it did with everyone else. You know,

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.720
<v Speaker 6>i'ma be honest with you unpopular opinion. Same with Tupac.

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 6>I love Tupac, my favorite. I remember I was on

0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 6>house arrest and I got I really got up on

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 6>Tupac when he did uh holler if you hear me right?

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 3>That album?

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like that album was dope.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 6>And then Me against the World and of course All

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 6>Eyes on Me Michael Veley was super dope.

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.800
<v Speaker 6>I think I just kind of rooted for and and

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 6>and I guess maybe connected work with the underdogs, you

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 6>know what I mean.

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 5>Ironically, I was trying to tell somebody that we just

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 5>having this conversation about Tupac. Like, if you grew up today,

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 5>you would think Tupac was the nigga the whole time, right,

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.320
<v Speaker 5>you didn't think of him. People wouldn't know that he

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 5>was the underdog when I was younger, like rock Pak

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 5>was the guy that your mom would let you listen

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 5>to when you was my age. He see he has

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 5>a message, you know exactly. This is pre Me against

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 5>the world, all eyes of me.

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Snap.

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 5>It was like, fuck these niggas. But previous, like Pac

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 5>was the guy that your parents would let you listen

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 5>to as far as black hip hop from the streets concerned, right,

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 5>But he very much was the underdog until Me against

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 5>the World and then it was kind of like more

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 5>weird because he was in trouble, but he had the

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 5>biggest songs in the country. I would say Doggy Staff

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 5>for sure is the greatest hip hop album, for sure,

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 5>the greatest gangster rap album more than anything.

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>But there are albums I probably Street Gospel for.

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Me, sugar Free, Sugar Free.

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>When that came out, I understood it. Do you know

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>what need to say? One understood it?

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Not to cut you off soaring and eight argue me

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 3>down the Street Gospels does not a gangster rap album.

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.800
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, y'all, they ain't talking about no cripping

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 3>blood shits, y'all. Where else do they do that? They

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 3>try to tell me Rick Ross wasn't against the rapper.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:47.919
<v Speaker 3>They told me Biggie wasn't a gangster rapper.

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 5>But I think you know it's funny. I had this

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 5>conversation on multiple levels where people for some reason act

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 5>like the only gangs in the history of America is

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.439
<v Speaker 5>crip or blood like nobody else.

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>No, not the not the Spades, No, not the Latin Kings.

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 5>Exactly in the world are you got not the Mafia, gays,

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Alca pump and putting out them drive bys, Not the

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 5>White Fences who've been in Los Angeles as a exactly

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 5>fantish gang since the thirties.

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>No crips and bloods.

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 5>It's like, I don't know if that's a gift in

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 5>the curse for LA whereas like you only think of

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.320
<v Speaker 5>us as gangsters, and I think it'd be like a

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 5>cripple to people that's from LA because you leave and

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 5>if you believe that.

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Ship you go, you ask and get killed.

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, you want to get your ass kilt.

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 5>Playing because you don't know these niggas is the same

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 5>exact thing without the title.

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 6>And a lot of that can be attributed to the

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 6>fact again, you know colors, you know, l A street

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 6>life and gang culture has been cessationalized. You know, it's

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 6>been put on the big screen. It's been you know,

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 6>like like we talked about on my show Glasses no

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 6>where where have we seen uh you know we we

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 6>haven't seen a popular movie about you know, gangster disciples

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 6>or vice lords or nothing like that. You know what

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 6>I'm saying.

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 4>But Crimson Bloods is in st But going back to

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 4>what we were.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 6>Saying about just the top album, one thing that I

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:22.240
<v Speaker 6>learned about hip hop right and rap is many times

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 6>oftentimes what I've learned all like you have people say

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 6>the proverbial jay z nas just depending on where you

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 6>live and just what your ears calibrated to.

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:36.879
<v Speaker 4>And what Tupac. What I learned about Tupac or even

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 4>y'all saying Snoop, is that sometimes it's not about who's

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 4>the best rapper, but who's the best communicator? You know

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:45.200
<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 6>See, that was the thing about Tupac. You know, E

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 6>forty could rap circles around Tupac Tech nine Twister. You know,

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 6>some of these more intricate rappers can rap circles around Tupac.

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 4>But Tupac was a great communicator.

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 6>Just the passion in his voice, his messaging and along

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 6>with his story, the backdrop and who he was and

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, all of that made for that it factor

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 6>with him you know what.

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm not, of course, but we get a lot of

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>flak on this show, and I don't know where it

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 3>comes from that we just don't like Tupac, and I

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 3>think that's because a former co hosts had some things

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 3>to say about him and the work.

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 1>That's not why.

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 5>What it is is any time you say something that

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 5>don't have Tupac penis in your mouth, niggas like you

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 5>don't like Tupac. Yeah, that's just it's funny because there

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:40.840
<v Speaker 5>are channels and pages dedicated to Tupac, and I have

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 5>been questioned obviously. I made a hell of polarizing idea

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:47.840
<v Speaker 5>of a song about game banging that that involved Tupac,

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 5>and people like it'll be people who will be like,

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 5>he'll tweet me right, and like, the only reason people

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 5>heard of you is because Yo, you put tupac name

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 5>in your mouth and Tupac blah blah like discredit and

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 5>everything I've ever done, and then their name on Twitter

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:08.959
<v Speaker 5>will be something like Tupac forever. The only reason people

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.600
<v Speaker 5>know about you is because you have Tupac's name in

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 5>your mouth.

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 6>Exactly what some of these some of these artists man have,

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 6>Like when you talk about Tupac fans. When you talk

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.720
<v Speaker 6>about bone thugs and Harmony fans, Tech nine fans, Beyonce fans,

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 6>Nikki Minaj fans, these people are fanatics like you.

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 4>You can't you know what I mean.

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 6>These people try to n be a young boy same

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 6>thing you say something about NBA young boy man, and

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.439
<v Speaker 6>folks try to fight you in real life.

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 4>So you know, some of these people are really, you know,

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 4>passionate about their favorite artists.

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 5>So you know, Minajs for sure got the most Nikki

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 5>or Rihanna for sure got the most.

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Toxic fan base.

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, will harass you and and I remember one

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 5>day they tried to liberally harass me them on some

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 5>You're a home. I'm like, bro, that's not an insult

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 5>to me, Like I'm not right, I'm not. They'll just say, like,

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, I give them credit. They're a little bit

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 5>more creative than the average hip hop fan, average hip

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 5>hop fan.

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 1>The first thing, you're broke, it's like, I have way.

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 5>More money than your right, Like, if I'm broke, that

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 5>means you're like and that's the two poverty. So the

0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:17.359
<v Speaker 5>difference between me and you and Tupac is like I'm

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 5>way closer to Tupac than you is to me.

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 6>So, but I think people forget the music is subjective.

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 6>We're talking about art. We're talking about something that is

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 6>purely subjective, something that you know, again, I said spice

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:33.440
<v Speaker 6>one right. The masters will probably disagree with me, but

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 6>there's a sector of people that will agree with me.

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 4>You know, I could have said yeah, I could have.

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 6>Said crunchy black, and trust me, it's a sector of

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 6>people that would be like, oh, man't that country black

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 6>go that crunchy black go hard?

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Even you know what I mean?

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>So that country accent? But great me, bro, let me,

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 1>let me tell me, let me get ahead.

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:01.839
<v Speaker 3>Then I'm that you had a floor bro. I will

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 3>say this. I was a major Tupac fan his earlier works,

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 3>the Brenda has a Bringing up, Brenda had a baby

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 3>beyond I'm gonna keep going on the album that Bob

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 3>can't produce for him, when he produced the majority of

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.759
<v Speaker 3>the had tracks and all of them on there and

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 3>I love that right there, really made me a Tupac fan.

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 3>When I heard Brenda had the baby, I thought that

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 3>was cool. But when I heard strictly from my niggas,

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was the ship right there when he

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 3>hat that and to me, his greatest album is Me

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Against the World, when I didn't like against the version

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 3>of Tupaca.

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so greatness. The point I was making is

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're still here.

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:49.760
<v Speaker 5>Greatness is quantifiable favorite best those are all subjective. Greatness

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:55.840
<v Speaker 5>is quantified, quantifiable because it becomes numbers. The term greatness

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 5>is it don't mean good, but it does mean impactful.

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 5>So greatness is hella quantifiable. So like I can have

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 5>this conversation as Snoop Dogg Doggie style, I mean as

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 5>a Scarface fan, right, I just was having this really

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 5>big conversation about classic albums, right, and yep, growing up

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 5>my whole life, all the way to an adult, nobody

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 5>had ever thought to have four classic albums. Fast forward

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 5>to this generation. There's people who feel like somebody has

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.720
<v Speaker 5>six classic albums. So I realized my generation and people

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 5>were for me.

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Were a little bit more stricter. But the fix is

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Scarfaces classic album. Right.

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 5>But but but it's the consensus classic album of just

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:38.839
<v Speaker 5>anybody who listens to rap.

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:43.320
<v Speaker 1>But if a real Scarface fan exactly, that would probably

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:47.319
<v Speaker 1>be number four, that would even that would even be Yeah,

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that'd be about five or six for me, you know

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:49.960
<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Scarface favorite rapper by far.

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 6>The first Scarface album, the call Me Mister Scarface, the

0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 6>one with them with the shytgun on there, with the

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 6>work and all that. That's good, Peter rollam and and

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 6>amended to pray in the second to die that in

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.399
<v Speaker 6>itself that is first crazy.

0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 1>As a die hard. Like we could do a whole

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Gangster Rap Chronicles episode about Scarface.

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 5>My favorite scar Face. I think the best Scarface album

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 5>is Untouchable, right, but my.

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Favorite carnally sonically scar Face album is made.

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 4>May was dope made never might be.

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 5>As far as favorite raps, there's no rap song that

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 5>it never dope. Don't like never First off, who the

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 5>fuck starts off of rap? Saying I will never violate

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.800
<v Speaker 5>the to the streets And I will never make a

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 5>promise that I know.

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:51.280
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't keep. Yeah, never was dope, big dog status

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 4>was dope.

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I will never disrespect my mom or her

0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>or her mother.

0:55:58.239 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Need I didn't make that a.

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Gangster rap, That's what I'm saying. Where gangster rap really

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.919
<v Speaker 1>can be, Like, that's not a rule in gangster world.

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.359
<v Speaker 3>You know what let me want.

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.520
<v Speaker 6>I want to make a quick point to another thing

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 6>that I think contributes to people's top you know, albums

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.760
<v Speaker 6>and different things like that. I think it it also

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 6>becomes very personal because it takes us back to that

0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 6>time as well.

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 4>You see what I'm saying.

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 6>So when I say Spice one, it's the music that's

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.279
<v Speaker 6>a big part of it, but it's also that time

0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:32.879
<v Speaker 6>of my life, you know what I mean.

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.040
<v Speaker 4>It was a soundtrack to my life at the time.

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 6>That may be one of my favorite, you know, more

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 6>memorable sectors of sections of my life. Just like when

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 6>I say, just like when I say Scarface, like that

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 6>takes me back that first album that takes or even

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 6>ate like ate that music to drive by, not music

0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 6>to drive.

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.479
<v Speaker 4>By, but we come strapped Like that takes me back

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 4>to when I was off the porch and it was adventurous.

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I was out there for me. That's dogfool mm hmmm,

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that was. But still what's crazy is right? Is I agree?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But then one thing that I appreciate about what I

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:12.839
<v Speaker 1>do is and still gets mad.

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 5>I can separate what I like from what's truly the

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 5>greatest mm hmm, Like juvenile for sure is by far.

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 1>My favorite cash money artists, and I'd say he's the

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 1>best total.

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Who would you juveniles against rapper? Yeah?

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I would.

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. I don't understand. Man, It's like eight

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 3>and so on, and I ain't talking behind my brother's back,

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 3>but they will. That's not a gangster rapper. It's like, nigga,

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 3>are you crazy?

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 6>Tell you it's probably because you know, they don't understand

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 6>the lingo. They don't understand like New Orleans. I got

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 6>a home in New Orleans. I have a New Orleans.

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 6>I d like I'm a resident of Louisiana. But they

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.440
<v Speaker 6>don't understand. Just like Memphis or the swag is different.

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 6>See on the way, coach, we know what it is, right, Uh, nigga,

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 6>a nigga into life, look like a nigga in a life,

0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 6>especially back in our in our day, right nigga had

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 6>the uniform. But in New Orleans, them niggas would be dancing.

0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 6>You'll see niggas dancing and hopping and doing all that.

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Killers, bro.

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 6>They dressed different, they talk different, like like even even

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 6>like even when you're looking.

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Heroin, it killed three niggas and cast That's what I'm saying.

0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 4>So That's what I'm saying.

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 6>So when you look at BG right when he came

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 6>home and how his body language and people.

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 4>Was talking about that, that's how some of them niggas

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:38.000
<v Speaker 4>act like.

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 6>It's almost like some pimp shit like they they body

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 6>language is different, they lingo, they swaged different. So you

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 6>don't know the man, it's different, bro, it's different, you

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 6>know what I mean. So just like if you go

0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 6>to Portland, you go to Seattle, you think they're not

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:57.439
<v Speaker 6>stepping up there, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 6>so I think niggas just don't catch the len go man.

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 3>And the thing is they got steppers everywhere. It's like

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 3>you can go to Montana somewhere and this and I

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 3>guarantee you it's a nigga out. That is with the bullshit.

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:14.000
<v Speaker 5>I was in Omaha, niggas was bussing budding them, come down, crazy,

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 5>kill your right, your motherfucking ass down. That's why people

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.600
<v Speaker 5>always ask me, glasses, how you go? How you get

0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 5>a look nigga? Everywhere is right where I'm from, I

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 5>check every nigga like these niggas is crazy and I

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 5>got to go all the way.

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 1>So if it's a problem and go all the way

0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 1>because you deserve that much respect.

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Listen.

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 6>I've been to Omaha. I used to go up there

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:39.840
<v Speaker 6>to Liola's back in the day. Made a lot of

0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 6>money out of Leola's record shop up there. Mom and

0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 6>Pop shot one of the biggest ones down there, and man, listen,

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 6>and I used to you know, you know whatever whatever

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 6>up there, Man, yeah, them niggas get down up.

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>There will kill your motherfucking glass. I was out there

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 1>they shot some ship up and I was like, you niggas,

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going home.

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Because I've been to the Natty.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been to you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean is I was in a Natty in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two or three, maybe even four. But

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two or three.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that when you looked up with JT.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, this is after that. This is before that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was with the Young Guns.

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<v Speaker 5>The Young Guns had a show and we was ride

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<v Speaker 5>with the Young Guns. This is what I was on

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 5>some d boys ship and people. Right, So we shout

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:28.800
<v Speaker 5>out to Christian because them niggas is the genuine article.

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<v Speaker 1>I just say that now.

1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.680
<v Speaker 3>But you know, we go to we go to the Natty.

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<v Speaker 1>They got a show.

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<v Speaker 5>This first time I taste nasty ass Cracker Barrel. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what your niggas in the Midwest doing that place.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut that ship down. That ship is the worst place

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<v Speaker 1>in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Between between the Midwest infatuation with Cracker Barrel and the

1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:50.160
<v Speaker 5>South niggas infatuation with the Wiffle House, I don't know

1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 5>what the fun either one of them. For the niggas

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<v Speaker 5>in the Midwest beating Cracker Barrel and niggas that nigga,

1:00:58.360 --> 1:00:59.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much good food.

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<v Speaker 5>It's entirely too much good food for y'all to be

1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:09.800
<v Speaker 5>fucking with them places where you're from, Pop, that's a

1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:13.120
<v Speaker 5>stop I would see if you was out here. You know,

1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 5>it ain't that much great ship out here, but over

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<v Speaker 5>there it's some ship you go to the gas station

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<v Speaker 5>and get food is good.

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<v Speaker 3>So here, huh, the Cracker Barrel is almost like Denny's.

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<v Speaker 5>Denny's ain't good to me in Cincinnati, right, And there's

1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:38.920
<v Speaker 5>a movement going on. It's a rapper's name is Cross, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So this is before Hyphi is happening. But they have

1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:47.040
<v Speaker 5>this movement where they're talking about popping pills and dancing

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<v Speaker 5>mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>And they had these do.

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<v Speaker 5>The sound salnd do the sound sound and this is

1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:57.320
<v Speaker 5>like the whole city is doing it now, murk out now.

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<v Speaker 5>And they was dancing and they why you popping in

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<v Speaker 5>Like uh huh, we be dropping it. They be talking

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<v Speaker 5>about popping peels and dancing. And I was thinking to myself, like,

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<v Speaker 5>this is the craziest shit in.

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<v Speaker 1>The world to be happening.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was in Cincinnati, and it was never nowhere else.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember leaving and it never happened nowhere else

1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 5>but in Cincinnati. It was the greatest thing I ever saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm see.

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<v Speaker 1>The last other time I saw that, I was in

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Dallas when Certified came. I certified huge in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 5>Number one song in Dallas, and I go down there

1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:31.080
<v Speaker 5>to get some money out of the show. I walked

1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.720
<v Speaker 5>through and they playing this music and it's all these

1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:38.040
<v Speaker 5>dance songs. This this, these weird songs Thanky leg and

1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:40.040
<v Speaker 5>Dude the Frankie do It Frankie.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ricky Bobby and I'm.

1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:45.880
<v Speaker 5>Like, and they dancing in a circle, and I remember

1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.480
<v Speaker 5>it was some niggas I was fucking with from oak Cliff,

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<v Speaker 5>Thatple Street.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a motherfucker. These niggas in the club, fucking it

1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:55.360
<v Speaker 1>up in the whole club. It's three thousand people court club, dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>In a circle, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Now that shit came back home. I mean, obviously staky.

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<v Speaker 5>They became the biggest shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw that ship in Dallas with all the street

1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:11.240
<v Speaker 5>niggas and everybody else in Dallas, and that shit be

1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:14.400
<v Speaker 5>the greatest thing about hip hop, where these things happen

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<v Speaker 5>in these towns, and you'd be like, what the fuck,

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<v Speaker 5>and then it kind of get watered down when you

1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:21.680
<v Speaker 5>see it out, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>He be like, it's not the same.

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<v Speaker 5>Like when the Dallas niggas was doing it. It used

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<v Speaker 5>to be a nigga called mister hit that hole and

1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.720
<v Speaker 5>he looked like he ran a band and he called me,

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<v Speaker 5>mister hit that hole, call me fucking it up. And

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<v Speaker 5>he be in the club and the club was looking

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<v Speaker 5>at this nigga, this nigga going.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I seen some nigga doing in La and

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<v Speaker 5>I was so disappointed, Like, bro let them Dallas niggas

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<v Speaker 5>have they thing, you know what I mean, Like we

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<v Speaker 5>can do the dances there, but don't try to be

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<v Speaker 5>the nigga mister hit that hole.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you know what I missed, bro, I miss

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<v Speaker 6>how like nowadays, a lot of the hip hop, you know, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Sounds the same. Right back in the day, you could

1:03:58.960 --> 1:03:59.840
<v Speaker 4>hear super regional.

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<v Speaker 6>You if you if you heard something, you could kind

1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:05.480
<v Speaker 6>of pinpoint where they were from, right, But I remember

1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:09.040
<v Speaker 6>how it was regional. Like if you went to Miami,

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<v Speaker 6>you knew you had Miami Base. You know, you had

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<v Speaker 6>Luke and them. You knew the BPM was gonna be

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<v Speaker 6>three hundred, You knew they was gonna be.

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<v Speaker 4>Chanting and ship like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what it felt like.

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<v Speaker 4>You feel me and and and you.

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<v Speaker 6>And you knew you was gonna have Miami Base with

1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:30.200
<v Speaker 6>Magic Mic and them down there. But then you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you go to New Orleans, you knew you was

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<v Speaker 6>gonna have bust down. You gonna you know, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>have that that that that that why that bounced right,

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<v Speaker 6>And you knew when you went to New York it

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<v Speaker 6>was gonna be on some boom back backpacker lyrics ship.

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<v Speaker 1>So I missed that.

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<v Speaker 4>I missed that where it was this melting pot of

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<v Speaker 4>just of culture.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, hey, listen, it was I went to Jackson

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<v Speaker 5>City before I went to Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm, because right right nowhere but Instagram page right nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that you said that was very poignant was discovery.

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<v Speaker 6>That was what was That's what's missing in hip hop,

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<v Speaker 6>and that's what was so special because think about it

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<v Speaker 6>in our day when you went and you bought that tape,

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<v Speaker 6>you bought that CD and you opened it and the

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<v Speaker 6>way it smelled, you read the credits, you read the shoutouts,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and they were from somewhere else, and they

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<v Speaker 6>were giving you a glimpse into their culture, into their

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<v Speaker 6>street culture, into their lingo, to their slang, to everything.

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<v Speaker 6>Like when I listened to Ghetto Boys, I felt like

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<v Speaker 6>I was in Houston. I felt like I was in

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<v Speaker 6>Fifth Ward, Like damn, this shit different. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>up here in Kansas City at the Folk Block that's

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<v Speaker 6>Fifth Ward. When I listened to you know, with that

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<v Speaker 6>Ryan C and Dallas when you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, well, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I missed that. That's what hip hop is missing, is

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<v Speaker 4>that discovery.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to leave your with this man before we

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<v Speaker 3>get out of your dog and y'all both like bring

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<v Speaker 3>up some real valid shit, right, because that's what the

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<v Speaker 3>problem is today with everything. Nobody is pushing the envelope

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<v Speaker 3>and nothing they doing anymore. Everything is okay. I see

1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:17.880
<v Speaker 3>he popping with that. Now I'm gonna try it. It

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<v Speaker 3>looks easy. Nobody is putting the work in anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like even with podcasting right now, I look out there

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<v Speaker 3>and I see all my It's like I see all

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<v Speaker 3>my children. She can attest to this. I see everybody

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<v Speaker 3>that had one format. Now everybody is interviewing gangsters on

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<v Speaker 3>their show, some people that shouldn't be, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even think they understand what they really getting themself into

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<v Speaker 3>because it ain't just that simple. But I'my's interview a

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<v Speaker 3>nigga that's from the curve, and it ain't It shouldn't

1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:48.920
<v Speaker 3>be about that. But I see people trying to imitate mimic.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody is doing the homework no more and saying, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I'm going to bring a different discussion. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not in music, that's not in podcasts, it's not in anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Ain't nobody pushing then envelope. Ain't nobody trying to be

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<v Speaker 3>great no more because the biggest thing I hate. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the worst word ever. I'm going to get the bag.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was been so gentrified. The nigga be going

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<v Speaker 1>to work tomorrow. You going to get the bag. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like when people say I'm outside, brother, that is not

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<v Speaker 1>what they mean. You're literally outside.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say one thing too for you, get up

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. You know what I love about hip hop?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. When you heard Tech nine,

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<v Speaker 1>when you heard bone thus in Harmony, when you heard Twisted,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard a style that was similar, you could tell

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<v Speaker 1>they was off from the Midwest, that they none of

1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:44.760
<v Speaker 1>them sounded alike.

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<v Speaker 5>Nope, the all did the same double timestyle at R

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<v Speaker 5>and B style, but you could just it was a Midwest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when you heard Us in Oakland, you could.

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<v Speaker 5>Hear the funk right. You can get a mob music

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<v Speaker 5>versus G funk, and it's funk based, but it was

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<v Speaker 5>easily little small nuances.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that about hip hop. I remember hearing Bootsy

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time at Juvenile. I'm like, they from Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could tell they both Louisiana. But it's just different.

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<v Speaker 4>Different, Yeah, and I agree.

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<v Speaker 5>Hip hop was like you know, was my first plane

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<v Speaker 5>ticket to to Marshie, to the to Brooklyn, you know

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<v Speaker 5>what I mean to bed style, like to to Sta

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<v Speaker 5>when I finally went to State, Nyland and I and

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<v Speaker 5>I hung out because it's a grip of brims in

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<v Speaker 5>the projects now over there, right, shout out to all

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<v Speaker 5>my brind hummies in State nightlingd Right, but like you,

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<v Speaker 5>you just can feel the fucking woo tang in the

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<v Speaker 5>fucking air, right, you know you can feel the woo

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<v Speaker 5>tang in the fucking air man it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's to me like what we try to do

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<v Speaker 1>even with cancel these nuts, Like we was like, yo.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's make that ship with you like man in man

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<v Speaker 5>an still got that at until we you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>we can't let you do. And I told you this

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<v Speaker 5>when we was on holding court on your pole, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, we can't really give you too much

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<v Speaker 5>discovery because it's been forty years of it. But what

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<v Speaker 5>we can do is recover some of that shit you remember, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, because we very much distill the same la

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<v Speaker 5>niggas the ones who ain't looked at the South was

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm Finna ride South Dick or I'm finn to

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<v Speaker 5>ride Detroit Dick.

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<v Speaker 1>But the niggas, who really is like staunched down niggas,

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<v Speaker 1>They the same niggas. They still got an opinion about

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening today.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what's weird, bro, It's almost like because of

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<v Speaker 6>technology has been a gift and a curse. But technology

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<v Speaker 6>did the same thing to music as it did with

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<v Speaker 6>the game.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Because everybody started communicating and started traveling, it all became

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<v Speaker 6>the same. The numbers became the same everywhere, just like

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<v Speaker 6>the sound became the same everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's fun. That's a great point. Even further,

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<v Speaker 1>culture cannot stay isolated as long.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember you had to at least buy that ten dollars

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<v Speaker 5>CD because you either you're gonna pay a three hundred

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<v Speaker 5>dollars plane ticket or a ten dollars CD. Now it's

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<v Speaker 5>about logging on Instagram and listening. And next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you hear a whole world talking about twelve referring to

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<v Speaker 5>police is twelve. You hear a whole world referring to

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<v Speaker 5>motherfuckers's ops.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it'll be you know, I mean, I heard motherfuckers

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN, like, oh yeah, all the said for the

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine er fans of smoking on that Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>pack And I'm like.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, coach, you go from from the dirt to mainstream.

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<v Speaker 4>But just like just like cripwalking though, just like cripwalker,

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<v Speaker 4>but it took a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>You think about that, Think.

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<v Speaker 5>But we had crip walking for twenty years. I've been

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<v Speaker 5>watching niggas kip walks as long as I've been alive.

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<v Speaker 5>It didn't really hit everybody till the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>But think about it, like, niggas don't have like, niggas

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<v Speaker 5>don't have no culture, you know what I mean. Niggas

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<v Speaker 5>don't have no culture. That that if it's your culture,

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna get that motherfucker. Once it hit the nigga,

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<v Speaker 5>you got six days.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's a gift in the curse, bro because

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<v Speaker 6>I think because the information, like you said, just it

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<v Speaker 6>takes away all the discovery because back in the day,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, things weren't so instant, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't this instant gratification. There was lead time for magazines.

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<v Speaker 6>We waited because think about it, shit would happen. But shit,

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<v Speaker 6>we waiting on the source. We waiting on double xcel

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<v Speaker 6>a murder dog. Hell, it might be too much before

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<v Speaker 6>we really get to school, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>So when everything is so instant, it tends you tend

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<v Speaker 6>to not appreciate it and savor it as much money.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really interesting conversation. So if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the Gangster Rap Chronicles, if.

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<v Speaker 5>You listen to this podcast and you're an artist or

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<v Speaker 5>you're somebody in the creation business, this is a really

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<v Speaker 5>important conversation to have about culture, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>Where it's like Yore, we're saying culture is being gentrified

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<v Speaker 5>at the speed of light. So maybe it's about introducing

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<v Speaker 5>something that is not because I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 5>really really fuck the game up, you know, if it's

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<v Speaker 5>just totally culture, you know what I mean, Because culture

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<v Speaker 5>is just not it's not as unique as long so

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<v Speaker 5>you may have to look for EDGs, maybe get into

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<v Speaker 5>the etymology of all this.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you what

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<v Speaker 6>got lost? You asked me this on my show on

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<v Speaker 6>Holding Court podcast. You asked me in real time, I

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<v Speaker 6>dropped the ball, I went blank. I didn't think about

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<v Speaker 6>it till after the fact. But you asked me, you said,

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<v Speaker 6>what is hip hop? Now I know the answer to that,

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<v Speaker 6>but in the context of what we were debating, I

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<v Speaker 6>lost it.

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<v Speaker 4>But so think about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Hip hop was what it was, graffiti, it was breakdancing,

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<v Speaker 6>DJ and aliens. It was elements, right, So those elements

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<v Speaker 6>at one point, they did evolve during the nineties and

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<v Speaker 6>toward the early two thousands they started to just totally leave,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, So now there really isn't any culture. It's

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<v Speaker 6>about catching a vibe, making some money, and that's what

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<v Speaker 6>it is like there.

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<v Speaker 1>That means, so are we mad? So are we still?

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<v Speaker 1>When NA said hip hop is dead, that he's not lying.

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<v Speaker 6>When you if you take it back to inception of it,

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<v Speaker 6>if you take it back like you did etomology, if

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<v Speaker 6>you trace it back to the etymology of it, and

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<v Speaker 6>judging from that space, it's dead.

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<v Speaker 4>It been dead because it's or or.

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<v Speaker 1>Or or because it's definitely been gentrified and what not.

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<v Speaker 5>You but where me and all in New York, it

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<v Speaker 5>definitely has been most of all our ghetto has been gentrified.

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<v Speaker 4>In Lost Angeles, absolutely, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though those were the centerpieces of hip hop as

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<v Speaker 1>for our street urban culture being expressed. We've been gentified.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's also why.

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<v Speaker 5>It's in Saint Louis right now, because guess what, Saint

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<v Speaker 5>Louis is still a ghetto.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in Memphis because if you go to Memphis, Memphis,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a ghetto. So that's why they're producing the

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<v Speaker 1>successful hip hop artists.

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<v Speaker 5>Still in Los Angeles is struggling and New York is

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<v Speaker 5>struggling because because the poverty is like, there's no more poverty.

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<v Speaker 5>You could be broke, but you can't be poor because

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<v Speaker 5>it's shit too expensive to live here.

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<v Speaker 6>But see that, And I'm glad you made that point

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<v Speaker 6>because it's another point I wanted to make. But I

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<v Speaker 6>think that you got to think about it. So, like

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<v Speaker 6>you said, you said that hip hop comes from street

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<v Speaker 6>urban culture. It comes from these you know, densely populated

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<v Speaker 6>communities that are you know, crime, written, poverty and all

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<v Speaker 6>of that. But see, it's not cool to be poor

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<v Speaker 6>no more. Everybody starts off rich. Everybody starts off with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Gang of money.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I got it from the Mud, but

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<v Speaker 6>I got it from the Mud because I was getting

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<v Speaker 6>millions out of you know what I mean about he

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<v Speaker 6>had a football Schottlar. I turned out three million at college.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>So, so when when we talk about the culture and

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<v Speaker 6>the essence of it, it has it has really been

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<v Speaker 6>sold out for quick money, even when you think about

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<v Speaker 6>the skill level. I think that I like a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of the new music, but I think that kind of

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<v Speaker 6>like what PIMC said before he passed away, he was

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<v Speaker 6>complaining then fifteen years ago he was like, man, y'all

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<v Speaker 6>not giving no game, no commentary, no social commentary, Like

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<v Speaker 6>where is the balance? Like it's cool, give me some

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<v Speaker 6>gangster shit. I like some gangster shit, you know, give

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<v Speaker 6>me some ripe ye shit. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, give me a little bit more, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>give me, give me some real life perspective, give me

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<v Speaker 6>some game that could be helpful. Like e forty, I

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<v Speaker 6>say this all the time. You know, he too short

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<v Speaker 6>taught me how to deal with women in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>having utter confidence. And you know n Wa taught me

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<v Speaker 6>how to deal with men in terms of the aggressive

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<v Speaker 6>part of it. You know, he forty taught me how

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<v Speaker 6>to stay out of prison. Once you start, once you

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<v Speaker 6>start getting some money, you move a certain way. You

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<v Speaker 6>start you know, like when he said, don't buy a

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<v Speaker 6>seventy five thousand dollars car before you buy house.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, Like he was telling you

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<v Speaker 4>how to move ice tea the same way.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think that now it's really crash out music.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody's depressed. You know, you got cause niggas is on

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<v Speaker 6>so much, so many drugs. You got niggas on uppers, downers.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, they get getting high. They sad, they mad,

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<v Speaker 6>they hyper. They did say that, and I think that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the culture is just completely gone now. I

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<v Speaker 6>was talking with somebody about this a couple of days

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<v Speaker 6>ago about why the South has had it. It actually

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<v Speaker 6>derived from you and I our conversation in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>the West Coast where they get the ball back. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>gonna tell you where I think the South got it

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<v Speaker 6>and why they keep it. It's as simple as the pocket.

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<v Speaker 6>It's what you said, culture, but it's also the pocket.

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<v Speaker 6>It's something infectious about down South, the music, the pockets

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<v Speaker 6>that they wrap in the production, just the way they ride.

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<v Speaker 6>The beat, which translates to the club, translates to the

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<v Speaker 6>strip club, it translates to riding in the car, It

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<v Speaker 6>translates whereas with traditional West Coast it's a groove, right,

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<v Speaker 6>it's a groove, but a lot of it. It really

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<v Speaker 6>can't translate to the strip club.

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<v Speaker 4>It really came.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what's funny to even add to that point.

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<v Speaker 5>The strip club wasn't the main club in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean across the country.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 5>What happened was the death of the party, death of

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<v Speaker 5>the regular, the death of the Tunnel, the death of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Century Club.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, but is still here.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tutsi's in Miami is still here in all its

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<v Speaker 1>glory like a basketball gym full of strippers, a two story,

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<v Speaker 1>three story building with strippers, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And that.

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<v Speaker 5>But the South also, to their credit, and again I

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<v Speaker 5>never felt any competition with region, right because it's that's

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<v Speaker 5>just crazy, right, You either don't. But a great point

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<v Speaker 5>is they're still poverty in the South. People like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think Atlanta got the ball no more. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think Atlanta's had the ball for the last thirty six months.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think you'll have some stuff that's lingering over. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but most of the ship is coming from Memphis. Memphis,

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<v Speaker 5>because Memphis is one big fucking ghetto was still abandoned houses. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you've been out here court, you would have been to

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<v Speaker 5>count the wise nigga were the only thing left ghetto

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<v Speaker 5>in country watch because none of the fucking houses our ghetto,

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<v Speaker 5>none of the lines niggas lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Had you fucked up?

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<v Speaker 6>Bro, You'll be in l A and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>look at the palm trees and look at the gars

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<v Speaker 6>and your ass being some bullshit. So I think the

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<v Speaker 6>South sixties, the sixties is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>People don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Conversation. We had an hour and twenty right now, man.

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<v Speaker 1>And nigga yo, yo, your listener deserves insightful.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, and we would give it to them at another time.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, we will see you guys next week. We

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<v Speaker 3>will continue this discussion next week. Letting note we out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of here out here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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