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Speaker 5: Host Glasses Malone and my co host for the day,
Speaker 5: Norm Steal, co hosts co host. I am hosting Gangster
Speaker 5: Chronicles today, the Gangster Rap Chronicles, and I would like
Speaker 5: to talk to you Norm Steal about the top ten
Speaker 5: gangster rap records.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, as you can tell, we're not doing
Speaker 3: the show at our normal place tonight. My man eight
Speaker 3: had some stuff he had to deal with.
Speaker 1: So COVID, So I don't want to be in the
Speaker 1: same room with Steve.
Speaker 3: No, don't nobody got COVID. Bro only starting the rumors.
Speaker 3: Don't start the COVID rub don't start no COVID RUMs.
Speaker 5: I ain't talking to you. So it's a couple of things.
Speaker 5: We might as well cover this stuff on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what broke and I think so aren't
Speaker 3: even agreed to it to an extent. See his number
Speaker 3: one gainst the rap album of all time is ice
Speaker 3: Cube album Death Certificate, which is a great album. But
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that man, but doggy style that fair.
Speaker 3: And he even said this is the only album that
Speaker 3: he's ever heard played at parties universally. That means white parties,
Speaker 3: black parties, Mexican parties, everywhere, and that album still exams
Speaker 3: today thirty years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was listening to Lottie Dotty the other day.
Speaker 3: It's a cold record. Man, Snoop just got you know
Speaker 3: what I think it is about that album? Man, it
Speaker 3: was something that you've never heard before. I don't think
Speaker 3: anybody heard anything like that before. It's almost like when
Speaker 3: Bone Thugs and Harmony came out with the album, you
Speaker 3: had never heard nothing like that previous to it.
Speaker 1: That's a lot closer to something I never heard. You know.
Speaker 1: It was funny. I had this crazy epiphany. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: share it with you.
Speaker 5: Like, as I started learning about records and hip hop
Speaker 5: and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean you we talked all the time. During that time.
Speaker 1: I start figuring out how things, how.
Speaker 5: People and producers put together like ideas, Like I was able.
Speaker 1: To hear like nobody told me, But I was able
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 5: When I start hearing Thriller, I could finally hear Rick James,
Speaker 5: I could hear give it to me Baby.
Speaker 1: When I first heard it, nobody told me. They said, oh,
Speaker 1: look glasses.
Speaker 5: This baseline on Thriller was interpolated from Rick James, Give
Speaker 5: it to me baby. Nobody had to tell me I
Speaker 5: could just hear it now. I could hear Billy Jean
Speaker 5: and hear Hauler notes. I can hear don't stop to
Speaker 5: you get enough, you know what I mean, and hear
Speaker 5: that came from Marvin Gaye, Got to give it Up.
Speaker 5: I could hear beat It and hear you know the
Speaker 5: song that inspired that, my Sharona m Right, So I
Speaker 5: could see what they were doing. I think even when
Speaker 5: I listen to Doggy Style, right, because the chronic to
Speaker 5: me is when Drake put his foot in the water
Speaker 5: in that kind of danceable funk right with songs like
Speaker 5: fuck with dreda g than even Let Me Ride was
Speaker 5: a little bit more funkier than where Dre had been
Speaker 5: at that time, you know what I mean. And he
Speaker 5: still had a really good, healthy amount of breakbeats in
Speaker 5: there on some of those songs on the chronic, But
Speaker 5: by the time he got the Doggy Style, he was
Speaker 5: like submerged in the shit. He was like, y'all, g
Speaker 5: funk this motherfucker out this my fucker finn to be
Speaker 5: the funkiest hip hop record on the market. But now
Speaker 5: when I hear it with my ears, you know, when
Speaker 5: I hear those songs even all of the doggy style
Speaker 5: songs and the chronic song you know what here you
Speaker 5: know what song?
Speaker 3: I hear?
Speaker 1: What's that DJ quick tonight?
Speaker 3: You know what? I believe that, bro. And you have
Speaker 3: to look at something else that was going on at
Speaker 3: that time too. You remember, Warren and Snoop had been
Speaker 3: kind of like in boot camp with Cole one, Eddy Seven,
Speaker 3: Hutch and all of them guys over Above the Law,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was two things that kind of
Speaker 3: just coincided together. Those guys. You know, Snoop lines up
Speaker 3: over there with Drake, right, you know, and here comes
Speaker 3: Warren g They have been their understudies kind of. And
Speaker 3: Drake just got finished working with them brothers on the
Speaker 3: last n WA album, the Niggas for Life album, Right,
Speaker 3: So I think, man, he just took what they was
Speaker 3: doing to another level. And that's not no knocks against
Speaker 3: Above the Law because Above the Law some funky motherfuckers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think Above the Law had shout out
Speaker 5: to Hutch. Above the Law had more of a harder funk.
Speaker 5: It is a danceable funk.
Speaker 3: It was more you know, you gotta remember, I think
Speaker 3: those guys are related to wasn't they related to Ike
Speaker 3: Turner Man I related to the other, to Willie Huts,
Speaker 3: will Dull, you know Willie Huts.
Speaker 5: So they had like a more pure funk. It was
Speaker 5: more well, I don't want to say if it was pure.
Speaker 5: I think it just wasn't a danceable funk. And I
Speaker 5: think that's why I keep saying. Even before Above the Law,
Speaker 5: DJ Quick in eighty eight with Born and Raised and
Speaker 5: Tonight the Clear, the Climax sample, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know what dre Man Quick does.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work Quick.
Speaker 3: It's done a lot of work for Drake. You know
Speaker 3: when you listen to some of fifty cent songs, like
Speaker 3: it can't be done and all that just the way
Speaker 3: the piano and you know what's crazy. Man. Before I
Speaker 3: even knew officially that Quick had worked on the fifty
Speaker 3: cent songs, I could hear just from being in the
Speaker 3: studio with tone and sugar freaking all of them. It's
Speaker 3: a certain swing that he got to his drums, man,
Speaker 3: and it's a certain everything Quick do is live like
Speaker 3: even when he resamples it, it's like some live ship.
Speaker 3: He would have a motherfucker come over there and play
Speaker 3: like a classic piano. Yeah, and he would sample that
Speaker 3: shit like Quick Doom sample ship hardly from records. Man,
Speaker 3: everything he does is replayed, and I could hear certain
Speaker 3: things on there, like even in the club, the way
Speaker 3: those if you're listening to the club, the way the
Speaker 3: drum swing, the way to pump, it almost sounded like
Speaker 3: his clubs don't have no quantize.
Speaker 5: On like everything is Definitely, I definitely believe Dre and
Speaker 5: Quick definitely are the type to get away from quantizing.
Speaker 3: For sure, because you can't quantize a real drum. Like
Speaker 3: when you on stage and hear those drummers, Man, they
Speaker 3: don't have a quantized thing on it. They just up
Speaker 3: to the exam.
Speaker 5: Somebody taught me something really early and I did it
Speaker 5: would cancel these nuts where like I put the kicks
Speaker 5: and the snare, they're not all the same volume and
Speaker 5: most people can't hear that.
Speaker 1: But if you really go back and listen to cancel
Speaker 1: these nuts.
Speaker 5: I staggered a lot of them in pay and a
Speaker 5: lot of them just a little bit, so when they play,
Speaker 5: they almost play like they could be real. But that's
Speaker 5: not the point. I don't want to get too far
Speaker 5: away from what we were saying, right. I think if
Speaker 5: you go back to nineteen eighty eight, right, which is
Speaker 5: before above the law, right when Quick first came out, Right,
Speaker 5: Quick Quick records the red tape the streets and with
Speaker 5: eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, eighty eight, eighty eight, seven eighty eight.
Speaker 5: Right, listen to Tonight and listen to Born and Raised.
Speaker 5: That style of production.
Speaker 1: Became the way we hear G funk.
Speaker 5: Now, not the title I think Hudgs for sure comp
Speaker 5: you know, Hudge for sure.
Speaker 1: Coined that title.
Speaker 5: G Funk, But the sound is very much DJ Quick,
Speaker 5: Tonight and Born and Raised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I can see that man, And
Speaker 3: you know what, going back to Quick a little bit,
Speaker 3: I think he gets slept on a lot of times, man,
Speaker 3: A lot that is his fault. You know, Quick say
Speaker 3: he underestimate you know, people underestimate him. He didn't get
Speaker 3: the props he deserved. And he's probably right to a
Speaker 3: certain degree, but a lot of that is his fault.
Speaker 1: Well, Quick is all Rick.
Speaker 5: James Quickly are Rick James like like Prince and Michael
Speaker 5: Jackson probably owe a huge part of their success in.
Speaker 1: The eighties to Rick James.
Speaker 5: Solely Rick James, even the whole androdgingist feel as I
Speaker 5: studied and did my homework. Rick James seems like he's
Speaker 5: the first androdging, this urban figure that was like a
Speaker 5: big deal in the eighties.
Speaker 3: I mean, and that just sounds so funny calling Ricky
Speaker 3: and friction because he was the most. He was the
Speaker 3: nigger is of the most niggas.
Speaker 5: Sure, but but if you look at how he dressed
Speaker 5: and how he can't you know what's crazy? I agree,
Speaker 5: But that's like when Cameron was wearing a pink when
Speaker 5: I was coming up right in my end. You never
Speaker 5: thought for two seconds Cam was taking no dick.
Speaker 1: You just like they can.
Speaker 5: Wow, this nigga fashion is off the hook. This nigga
Speaker 5: got enough swagger to me. That's what I got from
Speaker 5: Rick James versus Prince where Prince came across. I remember
Speaker 5: being a little kid thinking like, man, it's Prince gay,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I don't know how y'all felt,
Speaker 5: because that's kind of y'all are coming into y'all teen
Speaker 5: years closely roughly for y'all, y'all was starting to come
Speaker 5: close to being in your ten years, and.
Speaker 3: We was definitely in our teen years. Like Rick James
Speaker 3: for me is like kind of like toward the end
Speaker 3: of elementary going up to junior high and he kind
Speaker 3: of shit, man, even surpass that, man, you got to
Speaker 3: think about it. Dog. I met Prince one night. I
Speaker 3: didn't meet him. I saw him at the ground. He
Speaker 3: had a club downtown LA called the Grand Slam.
Speaker 1: That changed it to the three three three yep, And it.
Speaker 3: Was like three different levels on this it was off
Speaker 3: the hook club Dog because it had like a like
Speaker 3: a pop kind of like dancefield floor. Then it had
Speaker 3: a reggae floor, and then they had like a hardcore
Speaker 3: hip hop floor. Right. And I was going up the
Speaker 3: stairs to the hip hop floor and I saw Prince
Speaker 3: coming down the stairs. He was with a bunch of girls.
Speaker 3: And when I take these women look like angels.
Speaker 1: G.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, just like it was like he was
Speaker 3: surrounded by angels all for sure. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 3: he was surrounded by angels. And he's just the most
Speaker 3: gorgeous woman. And when I tell you that, this nigga
Speaker 3: had on like a suit like he was counting Dracula
Speaker 3: or something. Dog And it didn't seem like this nigga
Speaker 3: touched the stairs almost like he just glided down the
Speaker 3: stairs ula. Yeah, and he was just like what's up everybody?
Speaker 3: Like he just passed me and my homeboys and we
Speaker 3: stood to the side. He was like, damn, that's Prince
Speaker 3: right there, and this motherfucker like it was floating with
Speaker 3: a bunch of women around him. Dog, and it was
Speaker 3: just like he had a big ass glass in his hand.
Speaker 5: And it was always what's crazy to me is for
Speaker 5: as weird and as assless chaps, he still always seemed
Speaker 5: like a nigga.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah he is STUDI And I heard Prince had hands.
Speaker 5: I probably got probably fire somebody the way Charlie Murphy
Speaker 5: talking about because of that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he had hands because he was way too
Speaker 1: to not have hands.
Speaker 3: Didn't homeboy admit, didn't Charlie admit that Prince put hands
Speaker 3: on one night? No?
Speaker 1: No, he beat him in basketball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I heard Prince saying hens. It is just
Speaker 3: like Usher is a fighting motherfucker. It's just something like
Speaker 3: they're all in.
Speaker 5: Georgian and they shout out to them Atlanta, Georgia and
Speaker 5: them niggas gonna fight your motherfucker. Now, they'll fight you.
Speaker 5: The motherfucker gonna have some hands t last, probably can
Speaker 5: fight a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what were we going back to that man,
Speaker 3: I gotta talk about this this way off subject and
Speaker 3: Marca go laugh, you know. Shout out to the homeboy
Speaker 3: Maca where we recorded at the Coin Academy. They got
Speaker 3: Friday night fades, right, and they got a boxing coach
Speaker 3: man that's really good called they called him the Sensey, right.
Speaker 3: He been training these young brothers out here, and they've
Speaker 3: been going around the country whooping ass. California just caught
Speaker 3: their first l Guess where they was at. Somewhere in
Speaker 3: the midwell, they was in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let.
Speaker 5: Atlanta niggas can fight. I'm telling you Avanda holy Field
Speaker 5: from Atlanta.
Speaker 3: The yeah, you know, I can see it in I'm
Speaker 3: on country ass niggas well, you know, all of main
Speaker 3: country because I forgot this.
Speaker 1: Atlanta ain't Atlanta. Ain't that country.
Speaker 5: Atlanta country. It got Southern roots. But they's some city niggas,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I'm getting and I'm getting out of that man
Speaker 3: calling our brothers pastor you know, in the South country niggas,
Speaker 3: they don't like that.
Speaker 1: That's Texas niggas.
Speaker 3: Love.
Speaker 1: Shout out to all my texts.
Speaker 5: I love being called country because Texas is really the
Speaker 5: country Oklahoma, really the country.
Speaker 1: Atlanta is city is Atlanta is like l A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see catch in Atlanta, Atlanta groyn E
Speaker 3: than the motherfucker dog.
Speaker 1: And it got bad.
Speaker 5: It used to be such a man I've been the
Speaker 5: first time I went to Atlanta and I seen black
Speaker 5: police officers and I remember I was with Dazz. Dash
Speaker 5: had picked me up from the airport, right, So I'm
Speaker 5: riding with Dash to his house. Shout out the DZ
Speaker 5: and we riding and ship and it's me, him and
Speaker 5: somebody and I'm looking at the police.
Speaker 1: He like you this, this, this ain't la. You ain't
Speaker 1: got to worry about them.
Speaker 5: And I just kept on looking at this black police
Speaker 5: he's next to us, and that nigga looked over the
Speaker 5: fuck you looking at that nigga.
Speaker 1: And drove off in his police car.
Speaker 5: And I remember thinking to myself, like, I'm home because
Speaker 5: I'm home, you know what.
Speaker 3: And ge that's one of the reasons why I love Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But back to Prince though, Dog, I just think, man,
Speaker 3: you gotta remember Prince and them. Man probably was influenced
Speaker 3: more than anything else about little Richard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope. He from Atlanta too, you.
Speaker 3: Feel what I'm saying. The Georgia too, I would assume
Speaker 3: dog because if you looked at all the brothers back
Speaker 3: in the fifties and sixties, they wore makeup, had their
Speaker 3: hair back in a little you know, boo fine or
Speaker 3: whatever like that, had to relax and shit in their hair.
Speaker 3: So I think that a whole little drogness look man,
Speaker 3: But Rick got it off. Rick almost looked like somebody
Speaker 3: was making him do that shit though he just had it.
Speaker 5: He still had a masklin. Don't get me wrong. When
Speaker 5: Prince opened up, you could tell Prince was a nigga.
Speaker 1: But his fear was super soft.
Speaker 5: For Rick, You've been wearing all that shit, still look
Speaker 5: like a nigga wearing all that shit, like this nigga crazy,
Speaker 5: Like Prince gave you like maybe he's gay. Till he
Speaker 5: started talking. Rick was like this nigga just crazy. Michael
Speaker 5: Jackson seemed like when Michael Jackson did it was like
Speaker 5: little kid. When Prince did it, it was like its nigga
Speaker 5: kind of different.
Speaker 1: Rick, did it? You like this nigga crazy?
Speaker 5: Even the way if you think I Rick sang songs
Speaker 5: and shit like Rick saying that fucking ballad, but that's
Speaker 5: to me, that's quick, Like.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll DM quick.
Speaker 5: Just a crazy thought like that I had about hip hop,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, yo, like tonight, like you was listening
Speaker 5: to to Uh Like I was just like you was
Speaker 5: listening to Too Short. Don't fight the feeling. He'd just
Speaker 5: laugh like he'll just send me laugh at the mosies
Speaker 5: like you're over there studying and I know I be
Speaker 5: on it, you know what I'm saying, even talking to
Speaker 5: Too Short, Like what made did you even go to
Speaker 5: that danceable funk at that time?
Speaker 3: Too Short? It's just like the epictone of funk though
Speaker 3: when you just listened to his albums man like I
Speaker 3: was thinking about that, man like. I think one of
Speaker 3: my hardest beats, one of my favorite beats of all
Speaker 3: time is the Dope Thien beat. Just his baselines, Too
Speaker 3: Short always had really crazy ass baselines, Dog, and I
Speaker 3: think that's because he comes from an area you gotta remember, Dog.
Speaker 3: I was listening to him one day, man, and you
Speaker 3: know what, I got to give his props from the
Speaker 3: interview he did with Too Short, because it just took
Speaker 3: you way back, you know how he just got his
Speaker 3: start and everything. So when Too Short signed to his
Speaker 3: first record label. They didn't really have hip hop producers
Speaker 3: back then. He had a band of you know, brothers
Speaker 3: from over. He had a four piece band, so he
Speaker 3: kind of had to coach them on what he wanted
Speaker 3: to wrap over. So he had this live feel that
Speaker 3: wound up staying with him the majority of his career.
Speaker 3: And if you look at it, Dog, all the Short
Speaker 3: albums that are so major units that would either platum
Speaker 3: or go all featured, all were steeped in live production.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true, but they had a real hip hop feel.
Speaker 3: His drums always, he always had that eight o eight
Speaker 3: dog with live and just live instrumentation, bro, and it
Speaker 3: was just really really funky. I would love to see
Speaker 3: just Short and Banks get down one more time, Dog,
Speaker 3: I would love to hear that.
Speaker 5: I don't know, why is it one more time I
Speaker 5: get upset thinking about not getting another juvenile many Fresh
Speaker 5: album or tumping TI album, or you know, like when
Speaker 5: your favorite artists got with your favorite producer and then
Speaker 5: that sound to find who they were, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 1: I missed that.
Speaker 5: And I always say, nobody told these niggas to change.
Speaker 5: You know, these niggas felt that they needed to grow up,
Speaker 5: and you know I missed him. He slipped that blues funk.
Speaker 5: You know, that blues funk is what it was, so cinematic.
Speaker 5: It's like when you first heard motherfucking you know, growing
Speaker 5: up in a hood like that Clear Patricks thing. Like
Speaker 5: how they flipped that, And that's what made Compton's most
Speaker 5: wanted shit different. Quick shit was all super disco funk.
Speaker 5: You mean, it was always hella danceable. Like I remember
Speaker 5: going to parties as a little kid, like in the
Speaker 5: fifth grade and then playing Quick like that day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Quick as a genius, man, And seeing that
Speaker 3: dude in the studio, man work on them boards, man,
Speaker 3: and how he was just I remember sitting up there
Speaker 3: watching them. Man. I think we might have been in
Speaker 3: passive feet man, and I was just watching him play
Speaker 3: with this one snare dog and it sounded perfect to me,
Speaker 3: you know, especially at that time because I'm with nowhere
Speaker 3: where I'm at right now, you know, as far as
Speaker 3: music and production and stuff. I just sat up there
Speaker 3: and the cold thing about him he had took the
Speaker 3: snare from I forget which record it was from, but
Speaker 3: he took a snare from a record and he was
Speaker 3: just in there, fine tuning and putting his own thing
Speaker 3: on it. And he was so meticulous with the glasses
Speaker 3: to where it was just like, man, this.
Speaker 1: Snare, why'd you fucking with this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But it was It's just like he was a
Speaker 3: scientist almost. But then you didn't hear what he did
Speaker 3: to it until you until he put the rest of
Speaker 3: the stuff around it, and it was just like, man,
Speaker 3: I see what he meant now. That snare is just
Speaker 3: like a centerpiece of that whole thing right.
Speaker 5: Now, carving it out, yeah, quick quick as one of
Speaker 5: the you know what, I never got a chance just
Speaker 5: to switch gears. Why do you think Gangster Is Paradise
Speaker 5: didn't get the credit they deserved?
Speaker 3: Man, I can't. We can't say that though it was
Speaker 3: the number one album, it was the number.
Speaker 1: One not not not success.
Speaker 5: Right, But if you really think about it, gangst His
Speaker 5: Paradise could be the great this gangster rap song ever.
Speaker 3: It may be Dog and I think what it is bro.
Speaker 3: I think in hip hop in.
Speaker 1: General, that's something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when something succeeds Dog, it's almost looked at us like,
Speaker 3: especially during that time period, I would say, like, you
Speaker 3: gotta remember mc henry was one of the most successful
Speaker 3: rappers ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but his shit started at the top, not not him,
Speaker 5: but like, you can't test this. It was gonna start
Speaker 5: everywhere at once, but cause it was that it. Don't
Speaker 5: get me wrong, I think that's a great record, but
Speaker 5: it was gonna start at the top. But a song
Speaker 5: like Gangster's Paradise, even just from a lyrical like to me,
Speaker 5: Like I text Ice T and I was like, this
Speaker 5: is colors but just in ninety five or ninety six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you knew that was LV song, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: LV told me it was his song.
Speaker 5: It was his, and he said he wanted somebody else
Speaker 5: to rap on it, and they told him he should
Speaker 5: get Coolier to rap on it, and he ended up
Speaker 5: coolly ended up putting a couple verses on song.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, And what happened is the record company Coolio's
Speaker 3: album was about to come out, and they said, this
Speaker 3: would be a good record for him. We're giving it
Speaker 3: to him. Can you imagine that, dog? You got a
Speaker 3: surefire smash. But this is the way stuff usually works.
Speaker 3: If they were to game with the LV, maybe it
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been as big as a record.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, And plus I don't know if they want.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you want LV that record to
Speaker 5: be LV if Coolio got two verses, so it does
Speaker 5: change the dynamic of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what, though, Bro and I would say
Speaker 3: this as a whole dog Coolio was probably one of
Speaker 3: the more underrated rappers. Coolio was actually a really good rapper. Dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but even when you listen to the lyrics of
Speaker 5: that song, like he described gang banging as articulate, probably
Speaker 5: the most articulate you ever heard it, Like the whole
Speaker 5: situation of being a gang member, like Gangster's Paradise defines
Speaker 5: it better than any record I've actually ever heard. Like
Speaker 5: it's almost, like I said, it's an evolved version.
Speaker 1: Of Colors, Like Colors is eighty eight.
Speaker 5: I mean, this song is in ninety five, and it
Speaker 5: takes it up a notch from where Ice Tea started
Speaker 5: explaining Ice Tea to me gave a Minu was in
Speaker 5: eighty eight, So it's kind of the first time you
Speaker 5: heard a gangster's perspective. Like, don't get me wrong, you
Speaker 5: can you can go back to all that rappers, rap
Speaker 5: disco company stuff where like bad Time shout out to
Speaker 5: Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis because they was making West
Speaker 5: Coast bangers long before the scene was developed. You know
Speaker 5: in eighty two eighty three songs like bad Times right
Speaker 5: by who did Bad Times?
Speaker 3: Bad Time?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: Who did do bad.
Speaker 1: That Captain rapper?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might have been Captain Ramp. I know, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to get away from Gangster's periodise because the
Speaker 3: one thing that's funny about hip hop dog is I
Speaker 3: think every rapper at one time wanted the sample at
Speaker 3: Stevie won the record, but didn't know how to Coolio
Speaker 3: did it to cool them came with.
Speaker 1: It, I swear to this day.
Speaker 5: I mean, I want to sample of a Stevie wonder
Speaker 5: song so bad, but like his songs the way because
Speaker 5: he played dog and he played his ship got so
Speaker 5: many like mild changes, you know what I mean, mild
Speaker 5: changes where you be like you can't keep up, you
Speaker 5: can't play, like like think about like shed so many tears. Right,
Speaker 5: that's from a cool I mean, that's from a Stevie
Speaker 5: Wonders song.
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, you.
Speaker 5: Know that's harmonica and it's like that's a top tier
Speaker 5: artist to try to fuck with his records because he
Speaker 5: just nasty.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, and so that that goes back to
Speaker 3: the genius of Gangster's Paradise because from the way they
Speaker 3: put the record together, I think everybody wanted them, the
Speaker 3: way those filings was and the way that.
Speaker 1: Horn was in there with them.
Speaker 3: What's the past?
Speaker 5: Nasty LV shout out to elcause, Hey, I know you
Speaker 5: be listening to this ship, Bigga, that's crazy that that's.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you were Doug and did that,
Speaker 1: but that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That was slipping who produced that record, Doug, Doug Rashid
Speaker 3: is a bad motherfucker dog yea to me.
Speaker 5: To me, didn't be the motherfuckers that pull that ship out,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? That just somebody who That's
Speaker 5: like the niggas who did Rest in Peace to a
Speaker 5: c Night, but like the dudes who did uh Summertime
Speaker 5: in the LBC. Them dudes just fucking incredible.
Speaker 3: That beat.
Speaker 1: It's just the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I want to speak on that
Speaker 3: a little bit, man. You know, we lost a hip
Speaker 3: hop legend, man, and I don't throw that word around
Speaker 3: Lucy legend, but he was a lection in the city. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to the city alone beating
Speaker 3: all they've done and hip hop dog man Rest in
Speaker 3: Peace Man. That's real saying. You know that was the
Speaker 3: homie man Ce Night Man. What's crazy cause I know
Speaker 3: Big C Night though, so he was Little s Night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so he was Little Sea Night. Yep, I know Big C. Night.
Speaker 3: That's the homy dog Man.
Speaker 5: That motherfucking song is so classic. Like in the West Coast,
Speaker 5: that shit come on. It's funny because soon as that
Speaker 5: song come on, every don't get me wrong, everybody from
Speaker 5: the West Coast party to Summertime in LBC.
Speaker 1: But boy, it's a pride. There's two songs out.
Speaker 5: Of Loan Beach, My Nigga, that the Man, the greatest
Speaker 5: Long Beach Pride ever. Those two songs right are Summertime
Speaker 5: in LBC, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Because everybody from the West Coast is gonna jump up
Speaker 1: when those two songs come on.
Speaker 5: But a long Beach nigga is gonna be eyes closed,
Speaker 5: hands up, sets waving, going crazy, and you could always
Speaker 5: see who from Loan Beach.
Speaker 1: We had a really dope conversation about who was more,
Speaker 1: who was more? It wasn't.
Speaker 5: I think it was impactful because it wasn't who was
Speaker 5: more influential.
Speaker 1: It was more impactful.
Speaker 5: Lone Beach as a scene on hip hop or Compton,
Speaker 5: And it was so funny going back and forth, right
Speaker 5: because it was like, you know, you don't get the
Speaker 5: coast without n w A right, but then do you
Speaker 5: get the the infamy without Snoop?
Speaker 3: You know what? Man? If I had to compare to
Speaker 3: two places, Man, it's almost like comparing queens in Brooklyn
Speaker 3: when you talk about the East Coast, if you talked
Speaker 3: about the West Coast, Man Watts would be like.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna tell you why to watches Brownsville because
Speaker 5: Watts is a neighborhood in Los Angeles, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Like like like Brownsville is a neighborhood in Brooklyn.
Speaker 5: It's just a rough his neighborhood in Brooklyn. Whighbor Huh.
Speaker 3: It's almost you almost want to call it a subdivision
Speaker 3: of Compton, though almost.
Speaker 5: Well, the Hub and the Dub is a really but
Speaker 5: Compton is its own city. Compton has a mayor, a
Speaker 5: court system of jail. Watts is a part of Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: Like all our addresses read Los Angeles nine double five
Speaker 5: nine or Los Angeles non triple o two. So you know,
Speaker 5: it's like Brownsville. I've had this start a million times.
Speaker 5: If Watts was, it'll be like if Los Angeles would
Speaker 5: be Brooklyn, Queens would probably be Compton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would probably be Compton. What would Long Beach speak?
Speaker 1: See, Long Beach is probably stat nian.
Speaker 3: You know whatse Long Beach is the nicest ghetto city
Speaker 3: ever done.
Speaker 5: Well, I get what you're saying. I always used to
Speaker 5: tease my Long Beach homies. It's the only place in
Speaker 5: the world where you can be poor as a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: It's the only city in Los Angeles, Like that's like,
Speaker 5: that's like a.
Speaker 1: City, like, you know, one of them small cities that.
Speaker 5: You could be poor as a motherfucker living there or
Speaker 5: rich as a motherfuck. You could be as poor as
Speaker 5: a motherfuck on the east on the west, because the
Speaker 5: West is hella poor, nobody talking, you know.
Speaker 3: I can see the Long Beach is my home dog.
Speaker 3: When I first came to California as a keyd dog,
Speaker 3: that's where I lived and that's where I've always been.
Speaker 3: I've never strayed too far away from Long Beach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're from this side of the one ten.
Speaker 5: But east west Long Beach, East West Long Beach north.
Speaker 5: It's kind of north. It got gentrified at this point.
Speaker 5: But it's crazy because you could be poor as a
Speaker 5: motherfucker live in Long Beach, but then you got the
Speaker 5: golf course over there in the rigs right, you got
Speaker 5: bel my shoulders. Or you can live on the hill,
Speaker 5: you know, Signal Hill, you know. Or you can live
Speaker 5: really to me, which is truly the eastiest part of
Speaker 5: Long Beach, where you by the town center where all
Speaker 5: of them houses is. Is they not hella expensive, but
Speaker 5: it's definitely like all the people who go to Milliken,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and them people live like
Speaker 5: a suburban middle class experience. And I always always said
Speaker 5: if I was from Long Beach, it'd be a place
Speaker 5: I'd never leave, because you could be in Long Beach, hell.
Speaker 1: Of poor, right and live over there.
Speaker 5: You know, off of Long Beach Boulevard over there with
Speaker 5: the Poyo Loco and the McDonald's on them little.
Speaker 1: Backstreets east, poor as a motherfucker, live right there.
Speaker 5: Apartment you know, so many bros I know got apartment
Speaker 5: for three hundred and fifty dollars, they first apartment in
Speaker 5: the nineties, three hundred and fifty dollars for a one bedroom,
Speaker 5: or you could be that poor in Long Beach, or
Speaker 5: you can go to the bel My Shores where they
Speaker 5: have their motherfucking houses, or or Seal Beach, because we
Speaker 5: all consider Seal Beach a part of Long Beach and
Speaker 5: be up at three million dollars mansion on the beach
Speaker 5: right there, and then motherfuckers steal it's ten, twelve to
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes apart from each other.
Speaker 3: But you know what a one thing that's always been
Speaker 3: funny about Long Beach, man, it's when them dudes click up.
Speaker 3: It's some dangerous though.
Speaker 1: Well that's what to me.
Speaker 5: The most dangerous niggas be the niggas that be that
Speaker 5: close to wealth but be poor. It's like when you
Speaker 5: watch Batman movies or like the Joker movie, and you
Speaker 5: wonder why them niggas crazy. You can't put wealth that
Speaker 5: close to poor motherfuckers and not think they gonna it's
Speaker 5: gonna drive them niggas crazy.
Speaker 1: Them niggas is extra crazy because they could.
Speaker 5: Drive ten minutes and be like they and beild my
Speaker 5: shoes or they in signal hell and you be.
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck.
Speaker 5: And eventually you gotta start to lose your fucking mind,
Speaker 5: Like got them City where you know, motherfuck on the street.
Speaker 5: But then Thomas Wayne penhouse is a twenty million dollar penhouse,
Speaker 5: but you sleeping on the street right at the front door.
Speaker 3: Yeah for real. And you know, I want to go back,
Speaker 3: man to our original thought. Man, do you what's the
Speaker 3: tightest song on Doggy Style? To you?
Speaker 1: My favorite or the tightest?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your favorite?
Speaker 5: Okay, so the the great so the best Obviously, Obviously
Speaker 5: the greatest song on Doggie Style is Jenn and Juice. Right,
Speaker 5: The best song on Jenn and Juice is probably.
Speaker 1: Ain't No Fun.
Speaker 5: My favorite song on Jenn and Juice is probably Doggy
Speaker 5: dog World.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Man, It's like three
Speaker 3: songs to me, and the way they sequence is a
Speaker 3: motherfucker Doggie dog World. Dog Ain't no fun?
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 5: I take that back because I go back and forth.
Speaker 5: I mean, so when that record first came out, I
Speaker 5: was too young, like I was like eleven, right, maybe twelve.
Speaker 5: So I remember hearing it in the compa swap meet.
Speaker 5: We was doing a low rider hop off with model cars.
Speaker 5: They used to do that the compwa. Me and my
Speaker 5: older brother Moses used to know how to put the
Speaker 5: hydraulics on the model cars and they would have hopoffs
Speaker 5: card against car, the model cars and the swap meet,
Speaker 5: and I won that year. The same month Doggy Staff
Speaker 5: came out and I remember hearing as matter of fact,
Speaker 5: Doggyastaff even came out. Who in mine had came came out?
Speaker 5: You know what's my motherfucking name? And they was playing
Speaker 5: that ship and I remember just thinking how hypnotizing this
Speaker 5: song was. And I always remember my green sixty four
Speaker 5: in problem, my model card Leprekahn, and that was my
Speaker 5: first time winning it, and my older brother Moses, Moses
Speaker 5: ass was hopping a card from me because he could
Speaker 5: catch the switch.
Speaker 1: And that motherfucker was hot.
Speaker 3: You knew it was a song that was if you
Speaker 3: didn't get that first run a Doggie style, you missed
Speaker 3: out in the cold last record. It was a song
Speaker 3: on there man, I think that might have been Natan
Speaker 3: Hook with all the gerial geez please stand up and
Speaker 3: all he counted for about the bits then you rolled
Speaker 3: in with the bro That ship was so hard dog
Speaker 3: it had like that that what sample was that from?
Speaker 3: Was that Curtis Mayfield? That might have been Curtis Mayfield
Speaker 3: and it was hard as a motherfucker. They couldn't get
Speaker 3: the sample clear dog.
Speaker 5: But the doggy style intro, the g funk intro with
Speaker 5: Rage is my favorite song right now currently on Dolly's staff,
Speaker 5: so last year because it's changed probably seven different times now.
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong. The greatest song is Jenny Juice.
Speaker 5: That's never changed. The best song is Ain't No Fun,
Speaker 5: that's never changed. My favorite song changed last year.
Speaker 1: Was Doggie Dog World. This year, like I keep playing
Speaker 1: the intro Rage, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what though, if that one song
Speaker 3: wouldn't have got if that one song would have got cleared,
Speaker 3: maybe we didn't get that intro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but shit we Yeah, that's cruel and I need
Speaker 1: that intro.
Speaker 3: And that's a cold last intro because to me, what
Speaker 3: makes it so pivotal and Snoop's album, right yeah, A
Speaker 3: Rage starts step motherfucker off and the way she said
Speaker 3: it off Dog, it was just perfect. She was on
Speaker 3: that motherfucker busting dog. And this is a cold thing
Speaker 3: because this is what I heard and me and eight
Speaker 3: getting we actually go get Raggs on the show to
Speaker 3: confirm some of this. I heard that Rage didn't like
Speaker 3: g funk beats. I believe it, d Virginia, you know,
Speaker 3: just just imagine, you know how she would have sounded, though, Dog.
Speaker 3: The thing is, though, Man, I don't think nobody wanted
Speaker 3: to hear rage on no hear beat on no DJ beats.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't really get a chance to
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 5: But I agree with you, she had a feel her
Speaker 5: feel with a.
Speaker 1: Funk like that. G funk intro.
Speaker 5: Is for sure one of the greatest intros I ever heard.
Speaker 5: I mean, and I like that about death Bro. Even
Speaker 5: when you hear the chronic, the first thing you really,
Speaker 5: you know, Snoop is talking, Drey not talking.
Speaker 1: Snoop is talking. Yeah, that deathro recipe.
Speaker 3: The funny thing about it, though, Dog, you know, sowing
Speaker 3: is funny. He said that he didn't like Doggy style
Speaker 3: more than the chronic because he wanted to hear Drey
Speaker 3: rapmore I said was sowing. Frey is really the producer, Dog,
Speaker 3: he's the sound man. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 3: don't want to. I don't really think Drake wanted to
Speaker 3: rap it. You know what, Drey is actually a great rapper. Dog.
Speaker 3: You know, I heard Drake wrote easy easy verse. Someone
Speaker 3: actually put me up on that dog he wrote easy
Speaker 3: ease verse on wait a minute for some people to leave,
Speaker 3: or got another trick up my sleeve step with pep
Speaker 3: to the back of the house, moving all the lights out.
Speaker 1: That sound like a producer rapping it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that motherfucker was an easy Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Dre is more than dog, more than Dre is more than.
Speaker 5: Capable of writing records, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 5: just think he knows other people are better at it
Speaker 5: than he is. And he's such a fucking stickler and true,
Speaker 5: you know, master of this ship that he like, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go to the best, Like first off, think about it, dog,
Speaker 5: like the dude who wrote keep your Head Ringing California
Speaker 5: Love right, he knew how to do things with with
Speaker 5: homie feel me that homie couldn't do for hisself, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like Dre just is you know,
Speaker 5: he's truly the Quincy Jones and hip hop dog like
Speaker 5: of just what's going on, Like he's just not And
Speaker 5: then it's probably a disservice to call him the Quincy
Speaker 5: Jones of just hip hop, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Mary J. Blige's biggest song is produced by Doctor Dre.
Speaker 3: You know what, man, that the thing is. Man, I
Speaker 3: think Trey is like to say, like he's the Quincy Jones.
Speaker 3: Trey is fucking just in his own right. He is fucking.
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, well in his own rights.
Speaker 3: Because he can he can. He can produce R and
Speaker 3: B just as good great as he can produce hip hop.
Speaker 3: So he's probably one of the greatest producers of all time,
Speaker 3: dog all around. Because if Dray just decided right out
Speaker 3: of Flip and say, I ain't doing nothing but R
Speaker 3: and B, I think we would have some incredible R
Speaker 3: and B. I think we would see R and B
Speaker 3: starting to make a comeback because R and B ain't
Speaker 3: been great in a long time. Though I don't even
Speaker 3: know if it was. I think you got R and
Speaker 3: B artists trying to be rappers, and you got you
Speaker 3: feel what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, Well, I just think. I think. I think music
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, you know.
Speaker 5: As as late as twenty years ago, was still a
Speaker 5: collaborative effort. And I don't think music is a collaborative
Speaker 5: effort now. I think, you know, to get in the studio,
Speaker 5: you had to have multiple motherfuckers right in there working
Speaker 5: on a record, you know what I mean, because it
Speaker 5: was just too much equipment. It was too many things
Speaker 5: that was needed to make it happen. So you had
Speaker 5: a meeting of the minds when you're making records, right
Speaker 5: versus now where you have a kid in his bedroom
Speaker 5: with a laptop and and maybe a MIDI controller and
Speaker 5: he's trying to generate the same type of power that
Speaker 5: James Brown.
Speaker 1: What was the name of James Brown's band?
Speaker 3: What was James Brown's band's name?
Speaker 5: Or or or even like like Barry White, what was
Speaker 5: the name of the what orchestra was that.
Speaker 3: Called Barry White? And the fucking let me let me
Speaker 3: look at I'm about to google this ship, not.
Speaker 1: Think about it.
Speaker 5: Right, these big bands, you know, all of the minds
Speaker 5: coming in right where you have Booty Collins in the band, right,
Speaker 5: you have Macy O Parker in the band.
Speaker 3: All these niggas are limited orchestra.
Speaker 5: That's a club, unlimited orchestra, right, So you have all
Speaker 5: these brilliant musician minds in there too.
Speaker 1: Just because Barry is dope, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 5: The nigga who was playing the violin was dope to me,
Speaker 5: Like man, Barry I don't know if that's gonna work, Nigga,
Speaker 5: we probably need to This is how you need to
Speaker 5: play it. James Brown is telling Bocy something. James the
Speaker 5: JB's right, but James Brown telling Boogie something, and I
Speaker 5: can hear Boogie like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Baby, you know, we probably need to play it like this.
Speaker 5: And he put that little twist on and he's like,
Speaker 5: you know what, You're right, Boosie, and he ain't guess what. Now,
Speaker 5: it's just one little dude in there with his laptop
Speaker 5: and maybe a Midigan Jowler trying to emulate the fucking JB's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for real, man, you know, I think we're about
Speaker 3: to have one. I think Court he trying to jump
Speaker 3: in on this discussion, man. So it's gonna be interested, man,
Speaker 3: because the part of the Midwest Corter is from, man,
Speaker 3: Kansas City is a little different.
Speaker 1: They got good barbecue.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's a little different the rest of the Midwest. Man.
Speaker 3: I would say it's a lot like Cleveland. It's a
Speaker 3: little bit. It's a lot like Cleveland in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways.
Speaker 5: Well, Kansas City to me, leans more west. Cleveland needs
Speaker 5: more East as far as like influence, you.
Speaker 3: Know, what man. You know what, though I don't know,
Speaker 3: Cleveland loves some West Coast hip hop dog Cleveland love
Speaker 3: like like I would definitely say man that, I would
Speaker 3: definitely say that nw A got a lot of love
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. The Ghetto boys got a lot of love
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. Cleveland kind of fucked with some everybody, but
Speaker 3: it's as close to it or to New York dog.
Speaker 3: They didn't really fuck with, you know, Cleveland like New
Speaker 3: York shit though I ain't gonna say it, don't, but
Speaker 3: they fuck with more. They fuck with more West Coast
Speaker 3: shit than anything else.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just thinking though. It's like but but
Speaker 1: back to that point, it's like.
Speaker 5: I think that's what's wrong, and I think that's the complaint,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean about music. It's like it's
Speaker 5: like you asking like some kid with his laptop bro
Speaker 5: is trying to compete with the musical brilliance of the JBS, right,
Speaker 5: or the Titanic Orchestra. Like so even though Barry might
Speaker 5: be conducting the orchestra or the Heat because the Nigga
Speaker 5: had an ill conductor too, Right, So even if Barry
Speaker 5: had an idea he could come.
Speaker 1: In the studio be like, yeah, you know this how
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this shit, and then conducted be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Barry, that might not. You know, that
Speaker 1: might not. We might need to do it this way.
Speaker 5: Who the fuck is telling that little dude in there
Speaker 5: with his laptop and his mini controller the same thing?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Who is the booty Collins
Speaker 1: of a modern day producer in the room with James
Speaker 1: Brown and Macy o'park.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you this though, the thing that
Speaker 3: made Mustard great, The reason why Mustard don't been dominating
Speaker 3: more niggas in the rooms is because he had people
Speaker 3: in the room. And he comes from a party scene.
Speaker 3: You remember you was telling me about the little niggas
Speaker 3: that was having the parties out here. That's Jim and
Speaker 3: he and it all comes same way from Trede. Trey
Speaker 3: was in the nightclub all the time. Alonzo had him
Speaker 3: in the night club all the time. He was djaying,
Speaker 3: So he comes from dj in. I think any great
Speaker 3: producer has to have roots and being a DJ, especially
Speaker 3: in hip hop.
Speaker 5: Well even in n w A right, it's yellow, it's yellow.
Speaker 5: Arabian Prince was there early right making the music with
Speaker 5: doctor Dre. It still was three Minds and hell. By
Speaker 5: the time Dre got to the Chronic or two thousand
Speaker 5: and one, he had a grip of motherfuckers in the room,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So again, the reason, you
Speaker 5: know your concerns about R and B is it's just
Speaker 5: not as many people participating because with the process now,
Speaker 5: it's really just really a nigga with a MIDI controller
Speaker 5: in the laptop and he pecking away at shit. And
Speaker 5: that nigga cannot be Macy O Parker with Boosey Collins,
Speaker 5: with the genius of James Brown and all the other
Speaker 5: niggas in the.
Speaker 1: JBS that I don't even know. That's probably some shit
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: It ain't nobody else. I got to give an introduction
Speaker 3: at home where Big Court just came in the building,
Speaker 3: my man, Court Baby, going on, what's going on? What's
Speaker 3: up with y'all?
Speaker 1: As a monster man?
Speaker 3: We send up. We were talking about a little bit
Speaker 3: about music, man. You know, we come on the thing. Man.
Speaker 3: We were about to drop these you know, fifty greatest
Speaker 3: hip albums of all time, man, and my number one
Speaker 3: was Doggy Style, and I think eight number one is
Speaker 3: Doggy Style eight. I mean Sarring, Well, he's not conflicted.
Speaker 3: He's let it be known as the Chronic is his
Speaker 3: number one. No, actually, Death Certificate is his number one,
Speaker 3: and I think Doggy Style may fall number two. But
Speaker 3: I was telling Glasses, I said, man, you know, Kansas
Speaker 3: City kind of got Kansas City had got a really
Speaker 3: heavy Bay Area influence down there. As crazy as that sounds,
Speaker 3: all just really just the Bay Area, you know. Would
Speaker 3: would you agree man, that Doggy Style is probably the
Speaker 3: greatest hip hop album of all time? Not for me? No?
Speaker 3: M hm, who would you say? Yours is? Man?
Speaker 6: That would be tough, But I would have to say,
Speaker 6: off the top of my head, Off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, no skips that I could say that was
Speaker 6: super impactful for me personally. It would be between It's
Speaker 6: crazy because Q would have two. Q would have America's
Speaker 6: Most Wanted and death Certificate is.
Speaker 3: Death Certificate, which I was conflicted about that, but I said,
Speaker 3: I thought that was a greater album.
Speaker 6: Nah, but I would But again, my my unpopular opinion
Speaker 6: for the If I had to say, the most complete
Speaker 6: hip hop album for me personally would be Spice One's
Speaker 6: America's Most America's Nightmare.
Speaker 4: I can see that from Kansas City nigga America America.
Speaker 6: I can see Kansas City niggas saying, seriously, America's nightmare.
Speaker 5: Why argue with sp Spice one is one of those enigmas,
Speaker 5: bro for everybody growing up where it's like you knew
Speaker 5: he was some ship.
Speaker 1: It just depends on where you called him at.
Speaker 6: Like I'm gonna tell you why I think that Spice
Speaker 6: to me, intricately speaking and skillfully speaking, it's a better
Speaker 6: rapper than Snoop Dogg. I think Snoop Dogg. Of course
Speaker 6: he has more personality, more sauce more. Uh, you know,
Speaker 6: he got that swag, he has that it factor, that
Speaker 6: star power. But you know, in terms of like just
Speaker 6: the skill level, I think, you know, Spice Yeah, for me,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And then with the with the whole person.
Speaker 3: Up here to night man. Hey, But and I love
Speaker 3: Spice one, Chico, you my nigga, I love you dog Chico.
Speaker 3: Spice one is the ship with Spice one and no
Speaker 3: time zone and no planet in this universe?
Speaker 6: Is he ever fucking with Dog? But I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: honest with you. Dog Dog was Dog is dope. But
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest with you that that that doggie
Speaker 6: style didn't resonate with me. Don't get me wrong, it
Speaker 6: was dope. It's super dope, but it didn't resonate with
Speaker 6: me like like it did with everyone else. You know,
Speaker 6: i'ma be honest with you unpopular opinion. Same with Tupac.
Speaker 6: I love Tupac, my favorite. I remember I was on
Speaker 6: house arrest and I got I really got up on
Speaker 6: Tupac when he did uh holler if you hear me right?
Speaker 3: That album?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that album was dope.
Speaker 6: And then Me against the World and of course All
Speaker 6: Eyes on Me Michael Veley was super dope.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think I just kind of rooted for and and
Speaker 6: and I guess maybe connected work with the underdogs, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Ironically, I was trying to tell somebody that we just
Speaker 5: having this conversation about Tupac. Like, if you grew up today,
Speaker 5: you would think Tupac was the nigga the whole time, right,
Speaker 5: you didn't think of him. People wouldn't know that he
Speaker 5: was the underdog when I was younger, like rock Pak
Speaker 5: was the guy that your mom would let you listen
Speaker 5: to when you was my age. He see he has
Speaker 5: a message, you know exactly. This is pre Me against
Speaker 5: the world, all eyes of me.
Speaker 1: Snap.
Speaker 5: It was like, fuck these niggas. But previous, like Pac
Speaker 5: was the guy that your parents would let you listen
Speaker 5: to as far as black hip hop from the streets concerned, right,
Speaker 5: But he very much was the underdog until Me against
Speaker 5: the World and then it was kind of like more
Speaker 5: weird because he was in trouble, but he had the
Speaker 5: biggest songs in the country. I would say Doggy Staff
Speaker 5: for sure is the greatest hip hop album, for sure,
Speaker 5: the greatest gangster rap album more than anything.
Speaker 1: But there are albums I probably Street Gospel for.
Speaker 3: Me, sugar Free, Sugar Free.
Speaker 1: When that came out, I understood it. Do you know
Speaker 1: what need to say? One understood it?
Speaker 3: Not to cut you off soaring and eight argue me
Speaker 3: down the Street Gospels does not a gangster rap album.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, y'all, they ain't talking about no cripping
Speaker 3: blood shits, y'all. Where else do they do that? They
Speaker 3: try to tell me Rick Ross wasn't against the rapper.
Speaker 3: They told me Biggie wasn't a gangster rapper.
Speaker 5: But I think you know it's funny. I had this
Speaker 5: conversation on multiple levels where people for some reason act
Speaker 5: like the only gangs in the history of America is
Speaker 5: crip or blood like nobody else.
Speaker 1: No, not the not the Spades, No, not the Latin Kings.
Speaker 5: Exactly in the world are you got not the Mafia, gays,
Speaker 5: Alca pump and putting out them drive bys, Not the
Speaker 5: White Fences who've been in Los Angeles as a exactly
Speaker 5: fantish gang since the thirties.
Speaker 1: No crips and bloods.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know if that's a gift in
Speaker 5: the curse for LA whereas like you only think of
Speaker 5: us as gangsters, and I think it'd be like a
Speaker 5: cripple to people that's from LA because you leave and
Speaker 5: if you believe that.
Speaker 1: Ship you go, you ask and get killed.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you want to get your ass kilt.
Speaker 5: Playing because you don't know these niggas is the same
Speaker 5: exact thing without the title.
Speaker 6: And a lot of that can be attributed to the
Speaker 6: fact again, you know colors, you know, l A street
Speaker 6: life and gang culture has been cessationalized. You know, it's
Speaker 6: been put on the big screen. It's been you know,
Speaker 6: like like we talked about on my show Glasses no
Speaker 6: where where have we seen uh you know we we
Speaker 6: haven't seen a popular movie about you know, gangster disciples
Speaker 6: or vice lords or nothing like that. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But Crimson Bloods is in st But going back to
Speaker 4: what we were.
Speaker 6: Saying about just the top album, one thing that I
Speaker 6: learned about hip hop right and rap is many times
Speaker 6: oftentimes what I've learned all like you have people say
Speaker 6: the proverbial jay z nas just depending on where you
Speaker 6: live and just what your ears calibrated to.
Speaker 4: And what Tupac. What I learned about Tupac or even
Speaker 4: y'all saying Snoop, is that sometimes it's not about who's
Speaker 4: the best rapper, but who's the best communicator? You know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 6: See, that was the thing about Tupac. You know, E
Speaker 6: forty could rap circles around Tupac Tech nine Twister. You know,
Speaker 6: some of these more intricate rappers can rap circles around Tupac.
Speaker 4: But Tupac was a great communicator.
Speaker 6: Just the passion in his voice, his messaging and along
Speaker 6: with his story, the backdrop and who he was and
Speaker 6: you know, all of that made for that it factor
Speaker 6: with him you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm not, of course, but we get a lot of
Speaker 3: flak on this show, and I don't know where it
Speaker 3: comes from that we just don't like Tupac, and I
Speaker 3: think that's because a former co hosts had some things
Speaker 3: to say about him and the work.
Speaker 1: That's not why.
Speaker 5: What it is is any time you say something that
Speaker 5: don't have Tupac penis in your mouth, niggas like you
Speaker 5: don't like Tupac. Yeah, that's just it's funny because there
Speaker 5: are channels and pages dedicated to Tupac, and I have
Speaker 5: been questioned obviously. I made a hell of polarizing idea
Speaker 5: of a song about game banging that that involved Tupac,
Speaker 5: and people like it'll be people who will be like,
Speaker 5: he'll tweet me right, and like, the only reason people
Speaker 5: heard of you is because Yo, you put tupac name
Speaker 5: in your mouth and Tupac blah blah like discredit and
Speaker 5: everything I've ever done, and then their name on Twitter
Speaker 5: will be something like Tupac forever. The only reason people
Speaker 5: know about you is because you have Tupac's name in
Speaker 5: your mouth.
Speaker 6: Exactly what some of these some of these artists man have,
Speaker 6: Like when you talk about Tupac fans. When you talk
Speaker 6: about bone thugs and Harmony fans, Tech nine fans, Beyonce fans,
Speaker 6: Nikki Minaj fans, these people are fanatics like you.
Speaker 4: You can't you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: These people try to n be a young boy same
Speaker 6: thing you say something about NBA young boy man, and
Speaker 6: folks try to fight you in real life.
Speaker 4: So you know, some of these people are really, you know,
Speaker 4: passionate about their favorite artists.
Speaker 5: So you know, Minajs for sure got the most Nikki
Speaker 5: or Rihanna for sure got the most.
Speaker 1: Toxic fan base.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, will harass you and and I remember one
Speaker 5: day they tried to liberally harass me them on some
Speaker 5: You're a home. I'm like, bro, that's not an insult
Speaker 5: to me, Like I'm not right, I'm not. They'll just say, like,
Speaker 5: you know, I give them credit. They're a little bit
Speaker 5: more creative than the average hip hop fan, average hip
Speaker 5: hop fan.
Speaker 1: The first thing, you're broke, it's like, I have way.
Speaker 5: More money than your right, Like, if I'm broke, that
Speaker 5: means you're like and that's the two poverty. So the
Speaker 5: difference between me and you and Tupac is like I'm
Speaker 5: way closer to Tupac than you is to me.
Speaker 6: So, but I think people forget the music is subjective.
Speaker 6: We're talking about art. We're talking about something that is
Speaker 6: purely subjective, something that you know, again, I said spice
Speaker 6: one right. The masters will probably disagree with me, but
Speaker 6: there's a sector of people that will agree with me.
Speaker 4: You know, I could have said yeah, I could have.
Speaker 6: Said crunchy black, and trust me, it's a sector of
Speaker 6: people that would be like, oh, man't that country black
Speaker 6: go that crunchy black go hard?
Speaker 4: Even you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So that country accent? But great me, bro, let me,
Speaker 1: let me tell me, let me get ahead.
Speaker 3: Then I'm that you had a floor bro. I will
Speaker 3: say this. I was a major Tupac fan his earlier works,
Speaker 3: the Brenda has a Bringing up, Brenda had a baby
Speaker 3: beyond I'm gonna keep going on the album that Bob
Speaker 3: can't produce for him, when he produced the majority of
Speaker 3: the had tracks and all of them on there and
Speaker 3: I love that right there, really made me a Tupac fan.
Speaker 3: When I heard Brenda had the baby, I thought that
Speaker 3: was cool. But when I heard strictly from my niggas,
Speaker 3: I thought that was the ship right there when he
Speaker 3: hat that and to me, his greatest album is Me
Speaker 3: Against the World, when I didn't like against the version
Speaker 3: of Tupaca.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so greatness. The point I was making is
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're still here.
Speaker 5: Greatness is quantifiable favorite best those are all subjective. Greatness
Speaker 5: is quantified, quantifiable because it becomes numbers. The term greatness
Speaker 5: is it don't mean good, but it does mean impactful.
Speaker 5: So greatness is hella quantifiable. So like I can have
Speaker 5: this conversation as Snoop Dogg Doggie style, I mean as
Speaker 5: a Scarface fan, right, I just was having this really
Speaker 5: big conversation about classic albums, right, and yep, growing up
Speaker 5: my whole life, all the way to an adult, nobody
Speaker 5: had ever thought to have four classic albums. Fast forward
Speaker 5: to this generation. There's people who feel like somebody has
Speaker 5: six classic albums. So I realized my generation and people
Speaker 5: were for me.
Speaker 1: Were a little bit more stricter. But the fix is
Speaker 1: Scarfaces classic album. Right.
Speaker 5: But but but it's the consensus classic album of just
Speaker 5: anybody who listens to rap.
Speaker 1: But if a real Scarface fan exactly, that would probably
Speaker 1: be number four, that would even that would even be Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be about five or six for me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Scarface favorite rapper by far.
Speaker 6: The first Scarface album, the call Me Mister Scarface, the
Speaker 6: one with them with the shytgun on there, with the
Speaker 6: work and all that. That's good, Peter rollam and and
Speaker 6: amended to pray in the second to die that in
Speaker 6: itself that is first crazy.
Speaker 1: As a die hard. Like we could do a whole
Speaker 1: Gangster Rap Chronicles episode about Scarface.
Speaker 5: My favorite scar Face. I think the best Scarface album
Speaker 5: is Untouchable, right, but my.
Speaker 1: Favorite carnally sonically scar Face album is made.
Speaker 4: May was dope made never might be.
Speaker 5: As far as favorite raps, there's no rap song that
Speaker 5: it never dope. Don't like never First off, who the
Speaker 5: fuck starts off of rap? Saying I will never violate
Speaker 5: the to the streets And I will never make a
Speaker 5: promise that I know.
Speaker 4: I couldn't keep. Yeah, never was dope, big dog status
Speaker 4: was dope.
Speaker 1: You know, I will never disrespect my mom or her
Speaker 1: or her mother.
Speaker 4: Need I didn't make that a.
Speaker 1: Gangster rap, That's what I'm saying. Where gangster rap really
Speaker 1: can be, Like, that's not a rule in gangster world.
Speaker 3: You know what let me want.
Speaker 6: I want to make a quick point to another thing
Speaker 6: that I think contributes to people's top you know, albums
Speaker 6: and different things like that. I think it it also
Speaker 6: becomes very personal because it takes us back to that
Speaker 6: time as well.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So when I say Spice one, it's the music that's
Speaker 6: a big part of it, but it's also that time
Speaker 6: of my life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was a soundtrack to my life at the time.
Speaker 6: That may be one of my favorite, you know, more
Speaker 6: memorable sectors of sections of my life. Just like when
Speaker 6: I say, just like when I say Scarface, like that
Speaker 6: takes me back that first album that takes or even
Speaker 6: ate like ate that music to drive by, not music
Speaker 6: to drive.
Speaker 4: By, but we come strapped Like that takes me back
Speaker 4: to when I was off the porch and it was adventurous.
Speaker 1: I was out there for me. That's dogfool mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: that was. But still what's crazy is right? Is I agree?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: But then one thing that I appreciate about what I
Speaker 1: do is and still gets mad.
Speaker 5: I can separate what I like from what's truly the
Speaker 5: greatest mm hmm, Like juvenile for sure is by far.
Speaker 1: My favorite cash money artists, and I'd say he's the
Speaker 1: best total.
Speaker 3: Who would you juveniles against rapper? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: I don't understand. I don't understand. Man, It's like eight
Speaker 3: and so on, and I ain't talking behind my brother's back,
Speaker 3: but they will. That's not a gangster rapper. It's like, nigga,
Speaker 3: are you crazy?
Speaker 6: Tell you it's probably because you know, they don't understand
Speaker 6: the lingo. They don't understand like New Orleans. I got
Speaker 6: a home in New Orleans. I have a New Orleans.
Speaker 6: I d like I'm a resident of Louisiana. But they
Speaker 6: don't understand. Just like Memphis or the swag is different.
Speaker 6: See on the way, coach, we know what it is, right, Uh, nigga,
Speaker 6: a nigga into life, look like a nigga in a life,
Speaker 6: especially back in our in our day, right nigga had
Speaker 6: the uniform. But in New Orleans, them niggas would be dancing.
Speaker 6: You'll see niggas dancing and hopping and doing all that.
Speaker 4: Killers, bro.
Speaker 6: They dressed different, they talk different, like like even even
Speaker 6: like even when you're looking.
Speaker 1: Heroin, it killed three niggas and cast That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So when you look at BG right when he came
Speaker 6: home and how his body language and people.
Speaker 4: Was talking about that, that's how some of them niggas
Speaker 4: act like.
Speaker 6: It's almost like some pimp shit like they they body
Speaker 6: language is different, they lingo, they swaged different. So you
Speaker 6: don't know the man, it's different, bro, it's different, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So just like if you go
Speaker 6: to Portland, you go to Seattle, you think they're not
Speaker 6: stepping up there, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: so I think niggas just don't catch the len go man.
Speaker 3: And the thing is they got steppers everywhere. It's like
Speaker 3: you can go to Montana somewhere and this and I
Speaker 3: guarantee you it's a nigga out. That is with the bullshit.
Speaker 5: I was in Omaha, niggas was bussing budding them, come down, crazy,
Speaker 5: kill your right, your motherfucking ass down. That's why people
Speaker 5: always ask me, glasses, how you go? How you get
Speaker 5: a look nigga? Everywhere is right where I'm from, I
Speaker 5: check every nigga like these niggas is crazy and I
Speaker 5: got to go all the way.
Speaker 1: So if it's a problem and go all the way
Speaker 1: because you deserve that much respect.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 6: I've been to Omaha. I used to go up there
Speaker 6: to Liola's back in the day. Made a lot of
Speaker 6: money out of Leola's record shop up there. Mom and
Speaker 6: Pop shot one of the biggest ones down there, and man, listen,
Speaker 6: and I used to you know, you know whatever whatever
Speaker 6: up there, Man, yeah, them niggas get down up.
Speaker 1: There will kill your motherfucking glass. I was out there
Speaker 1: they shot some ship up and I was like, you niggas,
Speaker 1: I'm going home.
Speaker 4: Because I've been to the Natty.
Speaker 3: I've been to you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean is I was in a Natty in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or three, maybe even four. But
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or three.
Speaker 3: Is that when you looked up with JT.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is after that. This is before that.
Speaker 1: I was with the Young Guns.
Speaker 5: The Young Guns had a show and we was ride
Speaker 5: with the Young Guns. This is what I was on
Speaker 5: some d boys ship and people. Right, So we shout
Speaker 5: out to Christian because them niggas is the genuine article.
Speaker 1: I just say that now.
Speaker 3: But you know, we go to we go to the Natty.
Speaker 1: They got a show.
Speaker 5: This first time I taste nasty ass Cracker Barrel. I
Speaker 5: don't know what your niggas in the Midwest doing that place.
Speaker 1: Shut that ship down. That ship is the worst place
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 5: Between between the Midwest infatuation with Cracker Barrel and the
Speaker 5: South niggas infatuation with the Wiffle House, I don't know
Speaker 5: what the fun either one of them. For the niggas
Speaker 5: in the Midwest beating Cracker Barrel and niggas that nigga,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I'm just.
Speaker 1: It's just too much good food.
Speaker 5: It's entirely too much good food for y'all to be
Speaker 5: fucking with them places where you're from, Pop, that's a
Speaker 5: stop I would see if you was out here. You know,
Speaker 5: it ain't that much great ship out here, but over
Speaker 5: there it's some ship you go to the gas station
Speaker 5: and get food is good.
Speaker 3: So here, huh, the Cracker Barrel is almost like Denny's.
Speaker 5: Denny's ain't good to me in Cincinnati, right, And there's
Speaker 5: a movement going on. It's a rapper's name is Cross, right,
Speaker 5: So this is before Hyphi is happening. But they have
Speaker 5: this movement where they're talking about popping pills and dancing
Speaker 5: mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And they had these do.
Speaker 5: The sound salnd do the sound sound and this is
Speaker 5: like the whole city is doing it now, murk out now.
Speaker 5: And they was dancing and they why you popping in
Speaker 5: Like uh huh, we be dropping it. They be talking
Speaker 5: about popping peels and dancing. And I was thinking to myself, like,
Speaker 5: this is the craziest shit in.
Speaker 1: The world to be happening.
Speaker 5: And it was in Cincinnati, and it was never nowhere else.
Speaker 5: And I remember leaving and it never happened nowhere else
Speaker 5: but in Cincinnati. It was the greatest thing I ever saw.
Speaker 3: Mm see.
Speaker 1: The last other time I saw that, I was in
Speaker 1: Dallas when Certified came. I certified huge in Dallas.
Speaker 5: Number one song in Dallas, and I go down there
Speaker 5: to get some money out of the show. I walked
Speaker 5: through and they playing this music and it's all these
Speaker 5: dance songs. This this, these weird songs Thanky leg and
Speaker 5: Dude the Frankie do It Frankie.
Speaker 1: And Ricky Bobby and I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, and they dancing in a circle, and I remember
Speaker 5: it was some niggas I was fucking with from oak Cliff,
Speaker 5: Thatple Street.
Speaker 1: It's a motherfucker. These niggas in the club, fucking it
Speaker 1: up in the whole club. It's three thousand people court club, dancing.
Speaker 4: In a circle, yep.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 5: Now that shit came back home. I mean, obviously staky.
Speaker 5: They became the biggest shit.
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I saw that ship in Dallas with all the street
Speaker 5: niggas and everybody else in Dallas, and that shit be
Speaker 5: the greatest thing about hip hop, where these things happen
Speaker 5: in these towns, and you'd be like, what the fuck,
Speaker 5: and then it kind of get watered down when you
Speaker 5: see it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He be like, it's not the same.
Speaker 5: Like when the Dallas niggas was doing it. It used
Speaker 5: to be a nigga called mister hit that hole and
Speaker 5: he looked like he ran a band and he called me,
Speaker 5: mister hit that hole, call me fucking it up. And
Speaker 5: he be in the club and the club was looking
Speaker 5: at this nigga, this nigga going.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 5: And then I seen some nigga doing in La and
Speaker 5: I was so disappointed, Like, bro let them Dallas niggas
Speaker 5: have they thing, you know what I mean, Like we
Speaker 5: can do the dances there, but don't try to be
Speaker 5: the nigga mister hit that hole.
Speaker 6: You know, you know what I missed, bro, I miss
Speaker 6: how like nowadays, a lot of the hip hop, you know, it.
Speaker 4: Sounds the same. Right back in the day, you could
Speaker 4: hear super regional.
Speaker 6: You if you if you heard something, you could kind
Speaker 6: of pinpoint where they were from, right, But I remember
Speaker 6: how it was regional. Like if you went to Miami,
Speaker 6: you knew you had Miami Base. You know, you had
Speaker 6: Luke and them. You knew the BPM was gonna be
Speaker 6: three hundred, You knew they was gonna be.
Speaker 4: Chanting and ship like that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what it felt like.
Speaker 4: You feel me and and and you.
Speaker 6: And you knew you was gonna have Miami Base with
Speaker 6: Magic Mic and them down there. But then you know,
Speaker 6: when you go to New Orleans, you knew you was
Speaker 6: gonna have bust down. You gonna you know, you're gonna
Speaker 6: have that that that that that why that bounced right,
Speaker 6: And you knew when you went to New York it
Speaker 6: was gonna be on some boom back backpacker lyrics ship.
Speaker 1: So I missed that.
Speaker 4: I missed that where it was this melting pot of
Speaker 4: just of culture.
Speaker 5: You know, hey, listen, it was I went to Jackson
Speaker 5: City before I went to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: M hm, because right right nowhere but Instagram page right nowhere.
Speaker 4: One thing that you said that was very poignant was discovery.
Speaker 6: That was what was That's what's missing in hip hop,
Speaker 6: and that's what was so special because think about it
Speaker 6: in our day when you went and you bought that tape,
Speaker 6: you bought that CD and you opened it and the
Speaker 6: way it smelled, you read the credits, you read the shoutouts,
Speaker 6: you know, and they were from somewhere else, and they
Speaker 6: were giving you a glimpse into their culture, into their
Speaker 6: street culture, into their lingo, to their slang, to everything.
Speaker 6: Like when I listened to Ghetto Boys, I felt like
Speaker 6: I was in Houston. I felt like I was in
Speaker 6: Fifth Ward, Like damn, this shit different. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: up here in Kansas City at the Folk Block that's
Speaker 6: Fifth Ward. When I listened to you know, with that
Speaker 6: Ryan C and Dallas when you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I missed that. That's what hip hop is missing, is
Speaker 4: that discovery.
Speaker 3: I want to leave your with this man before we
Speaker 3: get out of your dog and y'all both like bring
Speaker 3: up some real valid shit, right, because that's what the
Speaker 3: problem is today with everything. Nobody is pushing the envelope
Speaker 3: and nothing they doing anymore. Everything is okay. I see
Speaker 3: he popping with that. Now I'm gonna try it. It
Speaker 3: looks easy. Nobody is putting the work in anymore. It's
Speaker 3: like even with podcasting right now, I look out there
Speaker 3: and I see all my It's like I see all
Speaker 3: my children. She can attest to this. I see everybody
Speaker 3: that had one format. Now everybody is interviewing gangsters on
Speaker 3: their show, some people that shouldn't be, and I don't
Speaker 3: even think they understand what they really getting themself into
Speaker 3: because it ain't just that simple. But I'my's interview a
Speaker 3: nigga that's from the curve, and it ain't It shouldn't
Speaker 3: be about that. But I see people trying to imitate mimic.
Speaker 3: Nobody is doing the homework no more and saying, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm going to bring a different discussion. That's
Speaker 3: not in music, that's not in podcasts, it's not in anything.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody pushing then envelope. Ain't nobody trying to be
Speaker 3: great no more because the biggest thing I hate. Man,
Speaker 3: it's the worst word ever. I'm going to get the bag.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: And that was been so gentrified. The nigga be going
Speaker 1: to work tomorrow. You going to get the bag. That's
Speaker 1: like when people say I'm outside, brother, that is not
Speaker 1: what they mean. You're literally outside.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: Let me say one thing too for you, get up
Speaker 1: out of here. You know what I love about hip hop?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. When you heard Tech nine,
Speaker 1: when you heard bone thus in Harmony, when you heard Twisted,
Speaker 1: you heard a style that was similar, you could tell
Speaker 1: they was off from the Midwest, that they none of
Speaker 1: them sounded alike.
Speaker 5: Nope, the all did the same double timestyle at R
Speaker 5: and B style, but you could just it was a Midwest.
Speaker 1: It's like when you heard Us in Oakland, you could.
Speaker 5: Hear the funk right. You can get a mob music
Speaker 5: versus G funk, and it's funk based, but it was
Speaker 5: easily little small nuances.
Speaker 1: I love that about hip hop. I remember hearing Bootsy
Speaker 1: for the first time at Juvenile. I'm like, they from Louisiana,
Speaker 1: but you could tell they both Louisiana. But it's just different.
Speaker 4: Different, Yeah, and I agree.
Speaker 5: Hip hop was like you know, was my first plane
Speaker 5: ticket to to Marshie, to the to Brooklyn, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean to bed style, like to to Sta
Speaker 5: when I finally went to State, Nyland and I and
Speaker 5: I hung out because it's a grip of brims in
Speaker 5: the projects now over there, right, shout out to all
Speaker 5: my brind hummies in State nightlingd Right, but like you,
Speaker 5: you just can feel the fucking woo tang in the
Speaker 5: fucking air, right, you know you can feel the woo
Speaker 5: tang in the fucking air man it used to be.
Speaker 1: And that's to me like what we try to do
Speaker 1: even with cancel these nuts, Like we was like, yo.
Speaker 5: Let's make that ship with you like man in man
Speaker 5: an still got that at until we you know, we
Speaker 5: we can't let you do. And I told you this
Speaker 5: when we was on holding court on your pole, and
Speaker 5: I was like, we can't really give you too much
Speaker 5: discovery because it's been forty years of it. But what
Speaker 5: we can do is recover some of that shit you remember, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, because we very much distill the same la
Speaker 5: niggas the ones who ain't looked at the South was
Speaker 5: like I'm Finna ride South Dick or I'm finn to
Speaker 5: ride Detroit Dick.
Speaker 1: But the niggas, who really is like staunched down niggas,
Speaker 1: They the same niggas. They still got an opinion about
Speaker 1: what's happening today.
Speaker 6: You know what's weird, bro, It's almost like because of
Speaker 6: technology has been a gift and a curse. But technology
Speaker 6: did the same thing to music as it did with
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Because everybody started communicating and started traveling, it all became
Speaker 6: the same. The numbers became the same everywhere, just like
Speaker 6: the sound became the same everybody.
Speaker 1: You know what's fun. That's a great point. Even further,
Speaker 1: culture cannot stay isolated as long.
Speaker 5: Remember you had to at least buy that ten dollars
Speaker 5: CD because you either you're gonna pay a three hundred
Speaker 5: dollars plane ticket or a ten dollars CD. Now it's
Speaker 5: about logging on Instagram and listening. And next thing you know,
Speaker 5: you hear a whole world talking about twelve referring to
Speaker 5: police is twelve. You hear a whole world referring to
Speaker 5: motherfuckers's ops.
Speaker 1: Like it'll be you know, I mean, I heard motherfuckers
Speaker 1: on ESPN, like, oh yeah, all the said for the
Speaker 1: forty nine er fans of smoking on that Green Bay
Speaker 1: pack And I'm like.
Speaker 5: Yep, coach, you go from from the dirt to mainstream.
Speaker 4: But just like just like cripwalking though, just like cripwalker,
Speaker 4: but it took a long time.
Speaker 3: You think about that, Think.
Speaker 5: But we had crip walking for twenty years. I've been
Speaker 5: watching niggas kip walks as long as I've been alive.
Speaker 5: It didn't really hit everybody till the late nineties.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: But think about it, like, niggas don't have like, niggas
Speaker 5: don't have no culture, you know what I mean. Niggas
Speaker 5: don't have no culture. That that if it's your culture,
Speaker 5: you're gonna get that motherfucker. Once it hit the nigga,
Speaker 5: you got six days.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a gift in the curse, bro because
Speaker 6: I think because the information, like you said, just it
Speaker 6: takes away all the discovery because back in the day,
Speaker 6: you know, things weren't so instant, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It wasn't this instant gratification. There was lead time for magazines.
Speaker 6: We waited because think about it, shit would happen. But shit,
Speaker 6: we waiting on the source. We waiting on double xcel
Speaker 6: a murder dog. Hell, it might be too much before
Speaker 6: we really get to school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So when everything is so instant, it tends you tend
Speaker 6: to not appreciate it and savor it as much money.
Speaker 1: This is a really interesting conversation. So if you listen
Speaker 1: to the Gangster Rap Chronicles, if.
Speaker 5: You listen to this podcast and you're an artist or
Speaker 5: you're somebody in the creation business, this is a really
Speaker 5: important conversation to have about culture, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Where it's like Yore, we're saying culture is being gentrified
Speaker 5: at the speed of light. So maybe it's about introducing
Speaker 5: something that is not because I don't think you can
Speaker 5: really really fuck the game up, you know, if it's
Speaker 5: just totally culture, you know what I mean, Because culture
Speaker 5: is just not it's not as unique as long so
Speaker 5: you may have to look for EDGs, maybe get into
Speaker 5: the etymology of all this.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 6: got lost? You asked me this on my show on
Speaker 6: Holding Court podcast. You asked me in real time, I
Speaker 6: dropped the ball, I went blank. I didn't think about
Speaker 6: it till after the fact. But you asked me, you said,
Speaker 6: what is hip hop? Now I know the answer to that,
Speaker 6: but in the context of what we were debating, I
Speaker 6: lost it.
Speaker 4: But so think about it.
Speaker 6: Hip hop was what it was, graffiti, it was breakdancing,
Speaker 6: DJ and aliens. It was elements, right, So those elements
Speaker 6: at one point, they did evolve during the nineties and
Speaker 6: toward the early two thousands they started to just totally leave,
Speaker 6: you know, So now there really isn't any culture. It's
Speaker 6: about catching a vibe, making some money, and that's what
Speaker 6: it is like there.
Speaker 1: That means, so are we mad? So are we still?
Speaker 1: When NA said hip hop is dead, that he's not lying.
Speaker 6: When you if you take it back to inception of it,
Speaker 6: if you take it back like you did etomology, if
Speaker 6: you trace it back to the etymology of it, and
Speaker 6: judging from that space, it's dead.
Speaker 4: It been dead because it's or or.
Speaker 1: Or or because it's definitely been gentrified and what not.
Speaker 5: You but where me and all in New York, it
Speaker 5: definitely has been most of all our ghetto has been gentrified.
Speaker 4: In Lost Angeles, absolutely, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Even though those were the centerpieces of hip hop as
Speaker 1: for our street urban culture being expressed. We've been gentified.
Speaker 1: But that's also why.
Speaker 5: It's in Saint Louis right now, because guess what, Saint
Speaker 5: Louis is still a ghetto.
Speaker 1: It's in Memphis because if you go to Memphis, Memphis,
Speaker 1: it's still a ghetto. So that's why they're producing the
Speaker 1: successful hip hop artists.
Speaker 5: Still in Los Angeles is struggling and New York is
Speaker 5: struggling because because the poverty is like, there's no more poverty.
Speaker 5: You could be broke, but you can't be poor because
Speaker 5: it's shit too expensive to live here.
Speaker 6: But see that, And I'm glad you made that point
Speaker 6: because it's another point I wanted to make. But I
Speaker 6: think that you got to think about it. So, like
Speaker 6: you said, you said that hip hop comes from street
Speaker 6: urban culture. It comes from these you know, densely populated
Speaker 6: communities that are you know, crime, written, poverty and all
Speaker 6: of that. But see, it's not cool to be poor
Speaker 6: no more. Everybody starts off rich. Everybody starts off with a.
Speaker 4: Gang of money.
Speaker 6: And you know, I got it from the Mud, but
Speaker 6: I got it from the Mud because I was getting
Speaker 6: millions out of you know what I mean about he
Speaker 6: had a football Schottlar. I turned out three million at college.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So, so when when we talk about the culture and
Speaker 6: the essence of it, it has it has really been
Speaker 6: sold out for quick money, even when you think about
Speaker 6: the skill level. I think that I like a lot
Speaker 6: of the new music, but I think that kind of
Speaker 6: like what PIMC said before he passed away, he was
Speaker 6: complaining then fifteen years ago he was like, man, y'all
Speaker 6: not giving no game, no commentary, no social commentary, Like
Speaker 6: where is the balance? Like it's cool, give me some
Speaker 6: gangster shit. I like some gangster shit, you know, give
Speaker 6: me some ripe ye shit. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: you know, give me a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 6: give me, give me some real life perspective, give me
Speaker 6: some game that could be helpful. Like e forty, I
Speaker 6: say this all the time. You know, he too short
Speaker 6: taught me how to deal with women in terms of
Speaker 6: having utter confidence. And you know n Wa taught me
Speaker 6: how to deal with men in terms of the aggressive
Speaker 6: part of it. You know, he forty taught me how
Speaker 6: to stay out of prison. Once you start, once you
Speaker 6: start getting some money, you move a certain way. You
Speaker 6: start you know, like when he said, don't buy a
Speaker 6: seventy five thousand dollars car before you buy house.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like he was telling you
Speaker 4: how to move ice tea the same way.
Speaker 6: But I think that now it's really crash out music.
Speaker 6: Everybody's depressed. You know, you got cause niggas is on
Speaker 6: so much, so many drugs. You got niggas on uppers, downers.
Speaker 6: You know, they get getting high. They sad, they mad,
Speaker 6: they hyper. They did say that, and I think that,
Speaker 6: you know, the culture is just completely gone now. I
Speaker 6: was talking with somebody about this a couple of days
Speaker 6: ago about why the South has had it. It actually
Speaker 6: derived from you and I our conversation in terms of
Speaker 6: the West Coast where they get the ball back. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna tell you where I think the South got it
Speaker 6: and why they keep it. It's as simple as the pocket.
Speaker 6: It's what you said, culture, but it's also the pocket.
Speaker 6: It's something infectious about down South, the music, the pockets
Speaker 6: that they wrap in the production, just the way they ride.
Speaker 6: The beat, which translates to the club, translates to the
Speaker 6: strip club, it translates to riding in the car, It
Speaker 6: translates whereas with traditional West Coast it's a groove, right,
Speaker 6: it's a groove, but a lot of it. It really
Speaker 6: can't translate to the strip club.
Speaker 4: It really came.
Speaker 5: You know what's funny to even add to that point.
Speaker 5: The strip club wasn't the main club in Los Angeles,
Speaker 5: I mean across the country.
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5: What happened was the death of the party, death of
Speaker 5: the regular, the death of the Tunnel, the death of.
Speaker 1: The Century Club.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but is still here.
Speaker 1: But Tutsi's in Miami is still here in all its
Speaker 1: glory like a basketball gym full of strippers, a two story,
Speaker 1: three story building with strippers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And that.
Speaker 5: But the South also, to their credit, and again I
Speaker 5: never felt any competition with region, right because it's that's
Speaker 5: just crazy, right, You either don't. But a great point
Speaker 5: is they're still poverty in the South. People like I
Speaker 5: don't think Atlanta got the ball no more. I don't
Speaker 5: think Atlanta's had the ball for the last thirty six months.
Speaker 5: And I think you'll have some stuff that's lingering over. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but most of the ship is coming from Memphis. Memphis,
Speaker 5: because Memphis is one big fucking ghetto was still abandoned houses. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you've been out here court, you would have been to
Speaker 5: count the wise nigga were the only thing left ghetto
Speaker 5: in country watch because none of the fucking houses our ghetto,
Speaker 5: none of the lines niggas lines.
Speaker 4: Had you fucked up?
Speaker 6: Bro, You'll be in l A and be like, oh,
Speaker 6: look at the palm trees and look at the gars
Speaker 6: and your ass being some bullshit. So I think the
Speaker 6: South sixties, the sixties is beautiful.
Speaker 4: People don't know.
Speaker 3: Conversation. We had an hour and twenty right now, man.
Speaker 1: And nigga yo, yo, your listener deserves insightful.
Speaker 3: Then, and we would give it to them at another time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we will see you guys next week. We
Speaker 3: will continue this discussion next week. Letting note we out.
Speaker 1: Of here out here.
Speaker 3: Well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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