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Speaker 1: We represent that Keller County.

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Speaker 2: So if you're keeping it real on your side of

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Speaker 1: We gonna tell you how are we goals?

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Speaker 3: If I lie my notes will girl like Pinocchio.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the choosangs.

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Speaker 1: The chronic goals.

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Speaker 4: This is not your average shows.

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Speaker 2: You're now tuned into the rail mc ain't, Big Change

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Speaker 2: and Big Steals the streets.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome to the gangst the Chronicles podcast, the production

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Speaker 3: rating the comments. We like to welcome every one to

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Speaker 3: another episode. You know what, fuck all that shit Tonight

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little different. I got you, I

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Speaker 5: I would like to welcome all of y'all to another

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Speaker 5: episode of The Gangster Rap Chronicles.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Host Glasses Malone and my co host for the day,

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Speaker 5: Norm Steal, co hosts co host. I am hosting Gangster

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Speaker 5: Chronicles today, the Gangster Rap Chronicles, and I would like

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Speaker 5: to talk to you Norm Steal about the top ten

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Speaker 5: gangster rap records.

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Speaker 1: Ever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, as you can tell, we're not doing

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Speaker 3: No, don't nobody got COVID. Bro only starting the rumors.

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Speaker 3: Don't start the COVID rub don't start no COVID RUMs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what broke and I think so aren't

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Speaker 3: even agreed to it to an extent. See his number

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Speaker 3: one gainst the rap album of all time is ice

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that man, but doggy style that fair.

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Speaker 3: And he even said this is the only album that

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Speaker 1: That's a lot closer to something I never heard. You know.

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Speaker 5: When I start hearing Thriller, I could finally hear Rick James,

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Speaker 5: On like everything is Definitely, I definitely believe Dre and

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Speaker 5: Right, listen to Tonight and listen to Born and Raised.

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Speaker 5: G Funk, But the sound is very much DJ Quick,

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Speaker 5: Tonight and Born and Raised.

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Speaker 5: And it was always what's crazy to me is for

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Speaker 3: Didn't homeboy admit, didn't Charlie admit that Prince put hands

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Speaker 5: Atlanta niggas can fight. I'm telling you Avanda holy Field

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Speaker 3: The yeah, you know, I can see it in I'm

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Speaker 1: Atlanta ain't Atlanta. Ain't that country.

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Speaker 5: Atlanta country. It got Southern roots. But they's some city niggas,

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Speaker 3: And I'm getting and I'm getting out of that man

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Speaker 1: That's Texas niggas.

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Speaker 5: I love being called country because Texas is really the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see catch in Atlanta, Atlanta groyn E

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Speaker 5: It used to be such a man I've been the

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Speaker 1: He like you this, this, this ain't la. You ain't

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Speaker 5: And I just kept on looking at this black police

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Speaker 5: And I remember thinking to myself, like, I'm home because

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Speaker 3: And ge that's one of the reasons why I love Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: But back to Prince though, Dog, I just think, man,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope. He from Atlanta too, you.

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Speaker 3: Feel what I'm saying. The Georgia too, I would assume

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Speaker 3: So I think that a whole little drogness look man,

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Speaker 5: He still had a masklin. Don't get me wrong. When

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Speaker 1: But his fear was super soft.

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Speaker 5: For Rick, You've been wearing all that shit, still look

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Speaker 5: Like Prince gave you like maybe he's gay. Till he

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Speaker 1: Rick, did it? You like this nigga crazy?

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Speaker 5: Even the way if you think I Rick sang songs

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Speaker 5: and shit like Rick saying that fucking ballad, but that's

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Speaker 5: to me, that's quick, Like.

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Speaker 5: Just a crazy thought like that I had about hip hop,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, yo, like tonight, like you was listening

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Speaker 5: to to Uh Like I was just like you was

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Speaker 5: listening to Too Short. Don't fight the feeling. He'd just

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Speaker 5: like you're over there studying and I know I be

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Speaker 5: on it, you know what I'm saying, even talking to

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Speaker 3: Too Short? It's just like the epictone of funk though

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Speaker 3: when you just listened to his albums man like I

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Speaker 3: Short always had really crazy ass baselines, Dog, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's because he comes from an area you gotta remember, Dog.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to him one day, man, and you

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Speaker 3: know what, I got to give his props from the

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Speaker 3: you way back, you know how he just got his

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Speaker 3: And if you look at it, Dog, all the Short

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's true, but they had a real hip hop feel.

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Speaker 3: His drums always, he always had that eight o eight

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Speaker 3: was just really really funky. I would love to see

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, why is it one more time I

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Speaker 5: album or tumping TI album, or you know, like when

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Speaker 5: that sound to find who they were, you know what

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Speaker 1: I missed that.

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Speaker 5: And I always say, nobody told these niggas to change.

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Speaker 5: You know, these niggas felt that they needed to grow up,

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Speaker 5: and you know I missed him. He slipped that blues funk.

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Speaker 5: You know, that blues funk is what it was, so cinematic.

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Speaker 5: It's like when you first heard motherfucking you know, growing

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Speaker 5: wanted shit different. Quick shit was all super disco funk.

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Speaker 5: You mean, it was always hella danceable. Like I remember

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Quick as a genius, man, And seeing that

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Speaker 3: you know, especially at that time because I'm with nowhere

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Speaker 1: Snare, why'd you fucking with this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But it was It's just like he was a

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Speaker 3: I see what he meant now. That snare is just

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Speaker 5: Now, carving it out, yeah, quick quick as one of

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Speaker 5: the you know what, I never got a chance just

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Speaker 5: to switch gears. Why do you think Gangster Is Paradise

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Speaker 3: Man, I can't. We can't say that though it was

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Speaker 1: One not not not success.

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Speaker 5: Right, But if you really think about it, gangst His

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Speaker 5: Paradise could be the great this gangster rap song ever.

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Speaker 3: It may be Dog and I think what it is bro.

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Speaker 3: I think in hip hop in.

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Speaker 1: General, that's something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when something succeeds Dog, it's almost looked at us like,

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Speaker 3: especially during that time period, I would say, like, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but his shit started at the top, not not him,

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Speaker 5: but like, you can't test this. It was gonna start

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Speaker 5: everywhere at once, but cause it was that it. Don't

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Speaker 5: it was gonna start at the top. But a song

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Speaker 5: Like I text Ice T and I was like, this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you knew that was LV song, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: LV told me it was his song.

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Speaker 5: It was his, and he said he wanted somebody else

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Speaker 5: get Coolier to rap on it, and he ended up

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, And what happened is the record company Coolio's

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Speaker 3: surefire smash. But this is the way stuff usually works.

440
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 3: If they were to game with the LV, maybe it

441
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been as big as a record.

442
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, And plus I don't know if they want.

443
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 5: I don't know if you want LV that record to

444
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 5: be LV if Coolio got two verses, so it does

445
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 5: change the dynamic of it.

446
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what, though, Bro and I would say

447
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 3: this as a whole dog Coolio was probably one of

448
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: the more underrated rappers. Coolio was actually a really good rapper. Dog.

449
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, but even when you listen to the lyrics of

450
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: that song, like he described gang banging as articulate, probably

451
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 5: the most articulate you ever heard it, Like the whole

452
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 5: situation of being a gang member, like Gangster's Paradise defines

453
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 5: it better than any record I've actually ever heard. Like

454
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 5: it's almost, like I said, it's an evolved version.

455
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: Of Colors, Like Colors is eighty eight.

456
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 5: I mean, this song is in ninety five, and it

457
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 5: takes it up a notch from where Ice Tea started

458
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 5: explaining Ice Tea to me gave a Minu was in

459
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 5: eighty eight, So it's kind of the first time you

460
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 5: heard a gangster's perspective. Like, don't get me wrong, you

461
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 5: can you can go back to all that rappers, rap

462
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 5: disco company stuff where like bad Time shout out to

463
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 5: Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis because they was making West

464
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 5: Coast bangers long before the scene was developed. You know

465
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 5: in eighty two eighty three songs like bad Times right

466
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 5: by who did Bad Times?

467
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: Bad Time?

468
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: Fuck?

469
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: Who did do bad.

470
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: That Captain rapper?

471
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might have been Captain Ramp. I know, I

472
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: didn't want to get away from Gangster's periodise because the

473
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: one thing that's funny about hip hop dog is I

474
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: think every rapper at one time wanted the sample at

475
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: Stevie won the record, but didn't know how to Coolio

476
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 3: did it to cool them came with.

477
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: It, I swear to this day.

478
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I want to sample of a Stevie wonder

479
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 5: song so bad, but like his songs the way because

480
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: he played dog and he played his ship got so

481
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 5: many like mild changes, you know what I mean, mild

482
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 5: changes where you be like you can't keep up, you

483
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: can't play, like like think about like shed so many tears. Right,

484
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 5: that's from a cool I mean, that's from a Stevie

485
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 5: Wonders song.

486
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, you.

487
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 5: Know that's harmonica and it's like that's a top tier

488
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: artist to try to fuck with his records because he

489
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 5: just nasty.

490
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, and so that that goes back to

491
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 3: the genius of Gangster's Paradise because from the way they

492
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: put the record together, I think everybody wanted them, the

493
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: way those filings was and the way that.

494
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: Horn was in there with them.

495
00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: What's the past?

496
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 5: Nasty LV shout out to elcause, Hey, I know you

497
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 5: be listening to this ship, Bigga, that's crazy that that's.

498
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how you were Doug and did that,

499
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: but that's crazy.

500
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: That was slipping who produced that record, Doug, Doug Rashid

501
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: is a bad motherfucker dog yea to me.

502
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 5: To me, didn't be the motherfuckers that pull that ship out,

503
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? That just somebody who That's

504
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: like the niggas who did Rest in Peace to a

505
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 5: c Night, but like the dudes who did uh Summertime

506
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: in the LBC. Them dudes just fucking incredible.

507
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: That beat.

508
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: It's just the world.

509
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I want to speak on that

510
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: a little bit, man. You know, we lost a hip

511
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: hop legend, man, and I don't throw that word around

512
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 3: Lucy legend, but he was a lection in the city. Yeah,

513
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to the city alone beating

514
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: all they've done and hip hop dog man Rest in

515
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 3: Peace Man. That's real saying. You know that was the

516
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: homie man Ce Night Man. What's crazy cause I know

517
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 3: Big C Night though, so he was Little s Night. Yeah,

518
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 3: so he was Little Sea Night. Yep, I know Big C. Night.

519
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: That's the homy dog Man.

520
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: That motherfucking song is so classic. Like in the West Coast,

521
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: that shit come on. It's funny because soon as that

522
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: song come on, every don't get me wrong, everybody from

523
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: the West Coast party to Summertime in LBC.

524
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: But boy, it's a pride. There's two songs out.

525
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 5: Of Loan Beach, My Nigga, that the Man, the greatest

526
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 5: Long Beach Pride ever. Those two songs right are Summertime

527
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 5: in LBC, and I love it.

528
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: Because everybody from the West Coast is gonna jump up

529
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: when those two songs come on.

530
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 5: But a long Beach nigga is gonna be eyes closed,

531
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 5: hands up, sets waving, going crazy, and you could always

532
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 5: see who from Loan Beach.

533
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: We had a really dope conversation about who was more,

534
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: who was more? It wasn't.

535
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: I think it was impactful because it wasn't who was

536
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 5: more influential.

537
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: It was more impactful.

538
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: Lone Beach as a scene on hip hop or Compton,

539
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 5: And it was so funny going back and forth, right

540
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: because it was like, you know, you don't get the

541
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 5: coast without n w A right, but then do you

542
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 5: get the the infamy without Snoop?

543
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 3: You know what? Man? If I had to compare to

544
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: two places, Man, it's almost like comparing queens in Brooklyn

545
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: when you talk about the East Coast, if you talked

546
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: about the West Coast, Man Watts would be like.

547
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: It's weird.

548
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna tell you why to watches Brownsville because

549
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: Watts is a neighborhood in Los Angeles, you know what

550
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 5: I mean? Like like like Brownsville is a neighborhood in Brooklyn.

551
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: It's just a rough his neighborhood in Brooklyn. Whighbor Huh.

552
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: It's almost you almost want to call it a subdivision

553
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: of Compton, though almost.

554
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: Well, the Hub and the Dub is a really but

555
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 5: Compton is its own city. Compton has a mayor, a

556
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 5: court system of jail. Watts is a part of Los Angeles.

557
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 5: Like all our addresses read Los Angeles nine double five

558
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 5: nine or Los Angeles non triple o two. So you know,

559
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 5: it's like Brownsville. I've had this start a million times.

560
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 5: If Watts was, it'll be like if Los Angeles would

561
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: be Brooklyn, Queens would probably be Compton.

562
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would probably be Compton. What would Long Beach speak?

563
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: See, Long Beach is probably stat nian.

564
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: You know whatse Long Beach is the nicest ghetto city

565
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: ever done.

566
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: Well, I get what you're saying. I always used to

567
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: tease my Long Beach homies. It's the only place in

568
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 5: the world where you can be poor as a motherfucker.

569
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: It's the only city in Los Angeles, Like that's like,

570
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 5: that's like a.

571
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: City, like, you know, one of them small cities that.

572
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: You could be poor as a motherfucker living there or

573
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: rich as a motherfuck. You could be as poor as

574
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 5: a motherfuck on the east on the west, because the

575
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 5: West is hella poor, nobody talking, you know.

576
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: I can see the Long Beach is my home dog.

577
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: When I first came to California as a keyd dog,

578
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: that's where I lived and that's where I've always been.

579
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: I've never strayed too far away from Long Beach.

580
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're from this side of the one ten.

581
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 5: But east west Long Beach, East West Long Beach north.

582
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 5: It's kind of north. It got gentrified at this point.

583
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: But it's crazy because you could be poor as a

584
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: motherfucker live in Long Beach, but then you got the

585
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: golf course over there in the rigs right, you got

586
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 5: bel my shoulders. Or you can live on the hill,

587
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: you know, Signal Hill, you know. Or you can live

588
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 5: really to me, which is truly the eastiest part of

589
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 5: Long Beach, where you by the town center where all

590
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: of them houses is. Is they not hella expensive, but

591
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: it's definitely like all the people who go to Milliken,

592
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and them people live like

593
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: a suburban middle class experience. And I always always said

594
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: if I was from Long Beach, it'd be a place

595
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 5: I'd never leave, because you could be in Long Beach, hell.

596
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Of poor, right and live over there.

597
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: You know, off of Long Beach Boulevard over there with

598
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 5: the Poyo Loco and the McDonald's on them little.

599
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Backstreets east, poor as a motherfucker, live right there.

600
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: Apartment you know, so many bros I know got apartment

601
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: for three hundred and fifty dollars, they first apartment in

602
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: the nineties, three hundred and fifty dollars for a one bedroom,

603
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 5: or you could be that poor in Long Beach, or

604
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 5: you can go to the bel My Shores where they

605
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 5: have their motherfucking houses, or or Seal Beach, because we

606
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: all consider Seal Beach a part of Long Beach and

607
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 5: be up at three million dollars mansion on the beach

608
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: right there, and then motherfuckers steal it's ten, twelve to

609
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes apart from each other.

610
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: But you know what a one thing that's always been

611
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: funny about Long Beach, man, it's when them dudes click up.

612
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: It's some dangerous though.

613
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Well that's what to me.

614
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 5: The most dangerous niggas be the niggas that be that

615
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: close to wealth but be poor. It's like when you

616
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: watch Batman movies or like the Joker movie, and you

617
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 5: wonder why them niggas crazy. You can't put wealth that

618
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: close to poor motherfuckers and not think they gonna it's

619
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: gonna drive them niggas crazy.

620
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Them niggas is extra crazy because they could.

621
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 5: Drive ten minutes and be like they and beild my

622
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: shoes or they in signal hell and you be.

623
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck.

624
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 5: And eventually you gotta start to lose your fucking mind,

625
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: Like got them City where you know, motherfuck on the street.

626
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: But then Thomas Wayne penhouse is a twenty million dollar penhouse,

627
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: but you sleeping on the street right at the front door.

628
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah for real. And you know, I want to go back,

629
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: man to our original thought. Man, do you what's the

630
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: tightest song on Doggy Style? To you?

631
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: My favorite or the tightest?

632
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your favorite?

633
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 5: Okay, so the the great so the best Obviously, Obviously

634
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: the greatest song on Doggie Style is Jenn and Juice. Right,

635
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: The best song on Jenn and Juice is probably.

636
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: Ain't No Fun.

637
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: My favorite song on Jenn and Juice is probably Doggy

638
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: dog World.

639
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Man, It's like three

640
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: songs to me, and the way they sequence is a

641
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: motherfucker Doggie dog World. Dog Ain't no fun?

642
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: You know what.

643
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: I take that back because I go back and forth.

644
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 5: I mean, so when that record first came out, I

645
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 5: was too young, like I was like eleven, right, maybe twelve.

646
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 5: So I remember hearing it in the compa swap meet.

647
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 5: We was doing a low rider hop off with model cars.

648
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: They used to do that the compwa. Me and my

649
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: older brother Moses used to know how to put the

650
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: hydraulics on the model cars and they would have hopoffs

651
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: card against car, the model cars and the swap meet,

652
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: and I won that year. The same month Doggy Staff

653
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: came out and I remember hearing as matter of fact,

654
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 5: Doggyastaff even came out. Who in mine had came came out?

655
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: You know what's my motherfucking name? And they was playing

656
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: that ship and I remember just thinking how hypnotizing this

657
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: song was. And I always remember my green sixty four

658
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: in problem, my model card Leprekahn, and that was my

659
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: first time winning it, and my older brother Moses, Moses

660
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: ass was hopping a card from me because he could

661
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: catch the switch.

662
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: And that motherfucker was hot.

663
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: You knew it was a song that was if you

664
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: didn't get that first run a Doggie style, you missed

665
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: out in the cold last record. It was a song

666
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: on there man, I think that might have been Natan

667
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: Hook with all the gerial geez please stand up and

668
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: all he counted for about the bits then you rolled

669
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: in with the bro That ship was so hard dog

670
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: it had like that that what sample was that from?

671
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: Was that Curtis Mayfield? That might have been Curtis Mayfield

672
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: and it was hard as a motherfucker. They couldn't get

673
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: the sample clear dog.

674
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: But the doggy style intro, the g funk intro with

675
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: Rage is my favorite song right now currently on Dolly's staff,

676
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 5: so last year because it's changed probably seven different times now.

677
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong. The greatest song is Jenny Juice.

678
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 5: That's never changed. The best song is Ain't No Fun,

679
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: that's never changed. My favorite song changed last year.

680
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Was Doggie Dog World. This year, like I keep playing

681
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: the intro Rage, right.

682
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what though, if that one song

683
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't have got if that one song would have got cleared,

684
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: maybe we didn't get that intro.

685
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but shit we Yeah, that's cruel and I need

686
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: that intro.

687
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: And that's a cold last intro because to me, what

688
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: makes it so pivotal and Snoop's album, right yeah, A

689
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: Rage starts step motherfucker off and the way she said

690
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: it off Dog, it was just perfect. She was on

691
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: that motherfucker busting dog. And this is a cold thing

692
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: because this is what I heard and me and eight

693
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: getting we actually go get Raggs on the show to

694
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: confirm some of this. I heard that Rage didn't like

695
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: g funk beats. I believe it, d Virginia, you know,

696
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: just just imagine, you know how she would have sounded, though, Dog.

697
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: The thing is, though, Man, I don't think nobody wanted

698
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: to hear rage on no hear beat on no DJ beats.

699
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't really get a chance to

700
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: enjoy it.

701
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 5: But I agree with you, she had a feel her

702
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 5: feel with a.

703
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Funk like that. G funk intro.

704
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 5: Is for sure one of the greatest intros I ever heard.

705
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 5: I mean, and I like that about death Bro. Even

706
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 5: when you hear the chronic, the first thing you really,

707
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: you know, Snoop is talking, Drey not talking.

708
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: Snoop is talking. Yeah, that deathro recipe.

709
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: The funny thing about it, though, Dog, you know, sowing

710
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: is funny. He said that he didn't like Doggy style

711
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: more than the chronic because he wanted to hear Drey

712
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: rapmore I said was sowing. Frey is really the producer, Dog,

713
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: he's the sound man. You know what I'm saying. He

714
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: don't want to. I don't really think Drake wanted to

715
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: rap it. You know what, Drey is actually a great rapper. Dog.

716
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 3: You know, I heard Drake wrote easy easy verse. Someone

717
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: actually put me up on that dog he wrote easy

718
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: ease verse on wait a minute for some people to leave,

719
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 3: or got another trick up my sleeve step with pep

720
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 3: to the back of the house, moving all the lights out.

721
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: That sound like a producer rapping it too.

722
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that motherfucker was an easy Oh my goodness.

723
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: Dre is more than dog, more than Dre is more than.

724
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: Capable of writing records, you know what I mean. I

725
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: just think he knows other people are better at it

726
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: than he is. And he's such a fucking stickler and true,

727
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 5: you know, master of this ship that he like, I'm

728
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: gonna go to the best, Like first off, think about it, dog,

729
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 5: like the dude who wrote keep your Head Ringing California

730
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 5: Love right, he knew how to do things with with

731
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: homie feel me that homie couldn't do for hisself, you

732
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like Dre just is you know,

733
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 5: he's truly the Quincy Jones and hip hop dog like

734
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 5: of just what's going on, Like he's just not And

735
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: then it's probably a disservice to call him the Quincy

736
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: Jones of just hip hop, you know.

737
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: What I mean.

738
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Like Mary J. Blige's biggest song is produced by Doctor Dre.

739
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: You know what, man, that the thing is. Man, I

740
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: think Trey is like to say, like he's the Quincy Jones.

741
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: Trey is fucking just in his own right. He is fucking.

742
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, well in his own rights.

743
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: Because he can he can. He can produce R and

744
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: B just as good great as he can produce hip hop.

745
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: So he's probably one of the greatest producers of all time,

746
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: dog all around. Because if Dray just decided right out

747
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: of Flip and say, I ain't doing nothing but R

748
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: and B, I think we would have some incredible R

749
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: and B. I think we would see R and B

750
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: starting to make a comeback because R and B ain't

751
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 3: been great in a long time. Though I don't even

752
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: know if it was. I think you got R and

753
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: B artists trying to be rappers, and you got you

754
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: feel what I'm.

755
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: Saying, Well, I just think. I think. I think music

756
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, you know.

757
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: As as late as twenty years ago, was still a

758
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 5: collaborative effort. And I don't think music is a collaborative

759
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 5: effort now. I think, you know, to get in the studio,

760
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 5: you had to have multiple motherfuckers right in there working

761
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 5: on a record, you know what I mean, because it

762
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 5: was just too much equipment. It was too many things

763
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 5: that was needed to make it happen. So you had

764
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 5: a meeting of the minds when you're making records, right

765
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 5: versus now where you have a kid in his bedroom

766
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: with a laptop and and maybe a MIDI controller and

767
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: he's trying to generate the same type of power that

768
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: James Brown.

769
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: What was the name of James Brown's band?

770
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: What was James Brown's band's name?

771
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: Or or or even like like Barry White, what was

772
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 5: the name of the what orchestra was that.

773
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: Called Barry White? And the fucking let me let me

774
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: look at I'm about to google this ship, not.

775
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: Think about it.

776
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: Right, these big bands, you know, all of the minds

777
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 5: coming in right where you have Booty Collins in the band, right,

778
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: you have Macy O Parker in the band.

779
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: All these niggas are limited orchestra.

780
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 5: That's a club, unlimited orchestra, right, So you have all

781
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: these brilliant musician minds in there too.

782
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: Just because Barry is dope, you know.

783
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: What I mean.

784
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 5: The nigga who was playing the violin was dope to me,

785
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: Like man, Barry I don't know if that's gonna work, Nigga,

786
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: we probably need to This is how you need to

787
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 5: play it. James Brown is telling Bocy something. James the

788
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 5: JB's right, but James Brown telling Boogie something, and I

789
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 5: can hear Boogie like, I don't know.

790
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Baby, you know, we probably need to play it like this.

791
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: And he put that little twist on and he's like,

792
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: you know what, You're right, Boosie, and he ain't guess what. Now,

793
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 5: it's just one little dude in there with his laptop

794
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 5: and maybe a Midigan Jowler trying to emulate the fucking JB's.

795
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, for real, man, you know, I think we're about

796
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: to have one. I think Court he trying to jump

797
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 3: in on this discussion, man. So it's gonna be interested, man,

798
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: because the part of the Midwest Corter is from, man,

799
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: Kansas City is a little different.

800
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: They got good barbecue.

801
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's a little different the rest of the Midwest. Man.

802
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: I would say it's a lot like Cleveland. It's a

803
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: little bit. It's a lot like Cleveland in a lot

804
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: of ways.

805
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 5: Well, Kansas City to me, leans more west. Cleveland needs

806
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 5: more East as far as like influence, you.

807
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: Know, what man. You know what, though I don't know,

808
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: Cleveland loves some West Coast hip hop dog Cleveland love

809
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: like like I would definitely say man that, I would

810
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: definitely say that nw A got a lot of love

811
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. The Ghetto boys got a lot of love

812
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. Cleveland kind of fucked with some everybody, but

813
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: it's as close to it or to New York dog.

814
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: They didn't really fuck with, you know, Cleveland like New

815
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: York shit though I ain't gonna say it, don't, but

816
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: they fuck with more. They fuck with more West Coast

817
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: shit than anything else.

818
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just thinking though. It's like but but

819
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: back to that point, it's like.

820
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 5: I think that's what's wrong, and I think that's the complaint,

821
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 5: you know what I mean about music. It's like it's

822
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 5: like you asking like some kid with his laptop bro

823
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: is trying to compete with the musical brilliance of the JBS, right,

824
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: or the Titanic Orchestra. Like so even though Barry might

825
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: be conducting the orchestra or the Heat because the Nigga

826
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 5: had an ill conductor too, Right, So even if Barry

827
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: had an idea he could come.

828
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: In the studio be like, yeah, you know this how

829
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this shit, and then conducted be like,

830
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, Barry, that might not. You know, that

831
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: might not. We might need to do it this way.

832
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 5: Who the fuck is telling that little dude in there

833
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: with his laptop and his mini controller the same thing?

834
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Who is the booty Collins

835
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: of a modern day producer in the room with James

836
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: Brown and Macy o'park.

837
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you this though, the thing that

838
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: made Mustard great, The reason why Mustard don't been dominating

839
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: more niggas in the rooms is because he had people

840
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: in the room. And he comes from a party scene.

841
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: You remember you was telling me about the little niggas

842
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: that was having the parties out here. That's Jim and

843
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: he and it all comes same way from Trede. Trey

844
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: was in the nightclub all the time. Alonzo had him

845
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: in the night club all the time. He was djaying,

846
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 3: So he comes from dj in. I think any great

847
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: producer has to have roots and being a DJ, especially

848
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: in hip hop.

849
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: Well even in n w A right, it's yellow, it's yellow.

850
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: Arabian Prince was there early right making the music with

851
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 5: doctor Dre. It still was three Minds and hell. By

852
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 5: the time Dre got to the Chronic or two thousand

853
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: and one, he had a grip of motherfuckers in the room,

854
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So again, the reason, you

855
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: know your concerns about R and B is it's just

856
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 5: not as many people participating because with the process now,

857
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 5: it's really just really a nigga with a MIDI controller

858
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: in the laptop and he pecking away at shit. And

859
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: that nigga cannot be Macy O Parker with Boosey Collins,

860
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 5: with the genius of James Brown and all the other

861
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: niggas in the.

862
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: JBS that I don't even know. That's probably some shit

863
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: right now.

864
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: It ain't nobody else. I got to give an introduction

865
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: at home where Big Court just came in the building,

866
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: my man, Court Baby, going on, what's going on? What's

867
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: up with y'all?

868
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: As a monster man?

869
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: We send up. We were talking about a little bit

870
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: about music, man. You know, we come on the thing. Man.

871
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: We were about to drop these you know, fifty greatest

872
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: hip albums of all time, man, and my number one

873
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: was Doggy Style, and I think eight number one is

874
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: Doggy Style eight. I mean Sarring, Well, he's not conflicted.

875
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: He's let it be known as the Chronic is his

876
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: number one. No, actually, Death Certificate is his number one,

877
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: and I think Doggy Style may fall number two. But

878
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: I was telling Glasses, I said, man, you know, Kansas

879
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: City kind of got Kansas City had got a really

880
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: heavy Bay Area influence down there. As crazy as that sounds,

881
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: all just really just the Bay Area, you know. Would

882
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: would you agree man, that Doggy Style is probably the

883
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: greatest hip hop album of all time? Not for me? No?

884
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: M hm, who would you say? Yours is? Man?

885
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 6: That would be tough, But I would have to say,

886
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 6: off the top of my head, Off the top of

887
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 6: my head, no skips that I could say that was

888
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 6: super impactful for me personally. It would be between It's

889
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 6: crazy because Q would have two. Q would have America's

890
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 6: Most Wanted and death Certificate is.

891
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: Death Certificate, which I was conflicted about that, but I said,

892
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: I thought that was a greater album.

893
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: Nah, but I would But again, my my unpopular opinion

894
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 6: for the If I had to say, the most complete

895
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 6: hip hop album for me personally would be Spice One's

896
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 6: America's Most America's Nightmare.

897
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: I can see that from Kansas City nigga America America.

898
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 6: I can see Kansas City niggas saying, seriously, America's nightmare.

899
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 5: Why argue with sp Spice one is one of those enigmas,

900
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: bro for everybody growing up where it's like you knew

901
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: he was some ship.

902
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: It just depends on where you called him at.

903
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 6: Like I'm gonna tell you why I think that Spice

904
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 6: to me, intricately speaking and skillfully speaking, it's a better

905
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: rapper than Snoop Dogg. I think Snoop Dogg. Of course

906
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 6: he has more personality, more sauce more. Uh, you know,

907
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 6: he got that swag, he has that it factor, that

908
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: star power. But you know, in terms of like just

909
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 6: the skill level, I think, you know, Spice Yeah, for me,

910
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

911
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: And then with the with the whole person.

912
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: Up here to night man. Hey, But and I love

913
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: Spice one, Chico, you my nigga, I love you dog Chico.

914
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: Spice one is the ship with Spice one and no

915
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: time zone and no planet in this universe?

916
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 6: Is he ever fucking with Dog? But I'm gonna be

917
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 6: honest with you. Dog Dog was Dog is dope. But

918
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest with you that that that doggie

919
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 6: style didn't resonate with me. Don't get me wrong, it

920
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 6: was dope. It's super dope, but it didn't resonate with

921
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 6: me like like it did with everyone else. You know,

922
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 6: i'ma be honest with you unpopular opinion. Same with Tupac.

923
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 6: I love Tupac, my favorite. I remember I was on

924
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 6: house arrest and I got I really got up on

925
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 6: Tupac when he did uh holler if you hear me right?

926
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: That album?

927
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that album was dope.

928
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: And then Me against the World and of course All

929
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: Eyes on Me Michael Veley was super dope.

930
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

931
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 6: I think I just kind of rooted for and and

932
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 6: and I guess maybe connected work with the underdogs, you

933
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 6: know what I mean.

934
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: Ironically, I was trying to tell somebody that we just

935
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: having this conversation about Tupac. Like, if you grew up today,

936
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: you would think Tupac was the nigga the whole time, right,

937
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 5: you didn't think of him. People wouldn't know that he

938
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: was the underdog when I was younger, like rock Pak

939
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: was the guy that your mom would let you listen

940
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: to when you was my age. He see he has

941
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: a message, you know exactly. This is pre Me against

942
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 5: the world, all eyes of me.

943
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: Snap.

944
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: It was like, fuck these niggas. But previous, like Pac

945
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: was the guy that your parents would let you listen

946
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 5: to as far as black hip hop from the streets concerned, right,

947
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: But he very much was the underdog until Me against

948
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: the World and then it was kind of like more

949
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: weird because he was in trouble, but he had the

950
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: biggest songs in the country. I would say Doggy Staff

951
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: for sure is the greatest hip hop album, for sure,

952
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: the greatest gangster rap album more than anything.

953
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: But there are albums I probably Street Gospel for.

954
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: Me, sugar Free, Sugar Free.

955
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: When that came out, I understood it. Do you know

956
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: what need to say? One understood it?

957
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: Not to cut you off soaring and eight argue me

958
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: down the Street Gospels does not a gangster rap album.

959
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, y'all, they ain't talking about no cripping

960
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: blood shits, y'all. Where else do they do that? They

961
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: try to tell me Rick Ross wasn't against the rapper.

962
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: They told me Biggie wasn't a gangster rapper.

963
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: But I think you know it's funny. I had this

964
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 5: conversation on multiple levels where people for some reason act

965
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 5: like the only gangs in the history of America is

966
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 5: crip or blood like nobody else.

967
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: No, not the not the Spades, No, not the Latin Kings.

968
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: Exactly in the world are you got not the Mafia, gays,

969
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: Alca pump and putting out them drive bys, Not the

970
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 5: White Fences who've been in Los Angeles as a exactly

971
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: fantish gang since the thirties.

972
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: No crips and bloods.

973
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know if that's a gift in

974
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: the curse for LA whereas like you only think of

975
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 5: us as gangsters, and I think it'd be like a

976
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: cripple to people that's from LA because you leave and

977
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 5: if you believe that.

978
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: Ship you go, you ask and get killed.

979
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you want to get your ass kilt.

980
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 5: Playing because you don't know these niggas is the same

981
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: exact thing without the title.

982
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 6: And a lot of that can be attributed to the

983
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 6: fact again, you know colors, you know, l A street

984
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 6: life and gang culture has been cessationalized. You know, it's

985
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 6: been put on the big screen. It's been you know,

986
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 6: like like we talked about on my show Glasses no

987
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 6: where where have we seen uh you know we we

988
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 6: haven't seen a popular movie about you know, gangster disciples

989
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 6: or vice lords or nothing like that. You know what

990
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 6: I'm saying.

991
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: But Crimson Bloods is in st But going back to

992
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: what we were.

993
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 6: Saying about just the top album, one thing that I

994
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 6: learned about hip hop right and rap is many times

995
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 6: oftentimes what I've learned all like you have people say

996
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 6: the proverbial jay z nas just depending on where you

997
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 6: live and just what your ears calibrated to.

998
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 4: And what Tupac. What I learned about Tupac or even

999
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: y'all saying Snoop, is that sometimes it's not about who's

1000
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: the best rapper, but who's the best communicator? You know

1001
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1002
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 6: See, that was the thing about Tupac. You know, E

1003
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 6: forty could rap circles around Tupac Tech nine Twister. You know,

1004
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 6: some of these more intricate rappers can rap circles around Tupac.

1005
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: But Tupac was a great communicator.

1006
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 6: Just the passion in his voice, his messaging and along

1007
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 6: with his story, the backdrop and who he was and

1008
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 6: you know, all of that made for that it factor

1009
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 6: with him you know what.

1010
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm not, of course, but we get a lot of

1011
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: flak on this show, and I don't know where it

1012
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: comes from that we just don't like Tupac, and I

1013
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: think that's because a former co hosts had some things

1014
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: to say about him and the work.

1015
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: That's not why.

1016
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 5: What it is is any time you say something that

1017
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 5: don't have Tupac penis in your mouth, niggas like you

1018
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 5: don't like Tupac. Yeah, that's just it's funny because there

1019
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 5: are channels and pages dedicated to Tupac, and I have

1020
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: been questioned obviously. I made a hell of polarizing idea

1021
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 5: of a song about game banging that that involved Tupac,

1022
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: and people like it'll be people who will be like,

1023
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: he'll tweet me right, and like, the only reason people

1024
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 5: heard of you is because Yo, you put tupac name

1025
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: in your mouth and Tupac blah blah like discredit and

1026
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 5: everything I've ever done, and then their name on Twitter

1027
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 5: will be something like Tupac forever. The only reason people

1028
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 5: know about you is because you have Tupac's name in

1029
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 5: your mouth.

1030
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 6: Exactly what some of these some of these artists man have,

1031
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 6: Like when you talk about Tupac fans. When you talk

1032
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 6: about bone thugs and Harmony fans, Tech nine fans, Beyonce fans,

1033
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 6: Nikki Minaj fans, these people are fanatics like you.

1034
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: You can't you know what I mean.

1035
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 6: These people try to n be a young boy same

1036
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 6: thing you say something about NBA young boy man, and

1037
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 6: folks try to fight you in real life.

1038
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: So you know, some of these people are really, you know,

1039
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: passionate about their favorite artists.

1040
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 5: So you know, Minajs for sure got the most Nikki

1041
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 5: or Rihanna for sure got the most.

1042
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Toxic fan base.

1043
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, will harass you and and I remember one

1044
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: day they tried to liberally harass me them on some

1045
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: You're a home. I'm like, bro, that's not an insult

1046
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: to me, Like I'm not right, I'm not. They'll just say, like,

1047
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 5: you know, I give them credit. They're a little bit

1048
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 5: more creative than the average hip hop fan, average hip

1049
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 5: hop fan.

1050
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: The first thing, you're broke, it's like, I have way.

1051
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: More money than your right, Like, if I'm broke, that

1052
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 5: means you're like and that's the two poverty. So the

1053
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 5: difference between me and you and Tupac is like I'm

1054
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: way closer to Tupac than you is to me.

1055
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 6: So, but I think people forget the music is subjective.

1056
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 6: We're talking about art. We're talking about something that is

1057
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 6: purely subjective, something that you know, again, I said spice

1058
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 6: one right. The masters will probably disagree with me, but

1059
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 6: there's a sector of people that will agree with me.

1060
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: You know, I could have said yeah, I could have.

1061
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 6: Said crunchy black, and trust me, it's a sector of

1062
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 6: people that would be like, oh, man't that country black

1063
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 6: go that crunchy black go hard?

1064
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: Even you know what I mean?

1065
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: So that country accent? But great me, bro, let me,

1066
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: let me tell me, let me get ahead.

1067
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 3: Then I'm that you had a floor bro. I will

1068
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: say this. I was a major Tupac fan his earlier works,

1069
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: the Brenda has a Bringing up, Brenda had a baby

1070
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: beyond I'm gonna keep going on the album that Bob

1071
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: can't produce for him, when he produced the majority of

1072
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: the had tracks and all of them on there and

1073
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: I love that right there, really made me a Tupac fan.

1074
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: When I heard Brenda had the baby, I thought that

1075
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 3: was cool. But when I heard strictly from my niggas,

1076
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: I thought that was the ship right there when he

1077
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: hat that and to me, his greatest album is Me

1078
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: Against the World, when I didn't like against the version

1079
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: of Tupaca.

1080
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so greatness. The point I was making is

1081
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're still here.

1082
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 5: Greatness is quantifiable favorite best those are all subjective. Greatness

1083
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 5: is quantified, quantifiable because it becomes numbers. The term greatness

1084
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 5: is it don't mean good, but it does mean impactful.

1085
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: So greatness is hella quantifiable. So like I can have

1086
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 5: this conversation as Snoop Dogg Doggie style, I mean as

1087
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: a Scarface fan, right, I just was having this really

1088
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: big conversation about classic albums, right, and yep, growing up

1089
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: my whole life, all the way to an adult, nobody

1090
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 5: had ever thought to have four classic albums. Fast forward

1091
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: to this generation. There's people who feel like somebody has

1092
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 5: six classic albums. So I realized my generation and people

1093
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 5: were for me.

1094
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Were a little bit more stricter. But the fix is

1095
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: Scarfaces classic album. Right.

1096
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 5: But but but it's the consensus classic album of just

1097
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 5: anybody who listens to rap.

1098
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: But if a real Scarface fan exactly, that would probably

1099
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: be number four, that would even that would even be Yeah,

1100
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: that'd be about five or six for me, you know

1101
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1102
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: Scarface favorite rapper by far.

1103
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 6: The first Scarface album, the call Me Mister Scarface, the

1104
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 6: one with them with the shytgun on there, with the

1105
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 6: work and all that. That's good, Peter rollam and and

1106
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 6: amended to pray in the second to die that in

1107
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 6: itself that is first crazy.

1108
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: As a die hard. Like we could do a whole

1109
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Gangster Rap Chronicles episode about Scarface.

1110
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 5: My favorite scar Face. I think the best Scarface album

1111
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 5: is Untouchable, right, but my.

1112
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: Favorite carnally sonically scar Face album is made.

1113
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: May was dope made never might be.

1114
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: As far as favorite raps, there's no rap song that

1115
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 5: it never dope. Don't like never First off, who the

1116
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 5: fuck starts off of rap? Saying I will never violate

1117
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 5: the to the streets And I will never make a

1118
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 5: promise that I know.

1119
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't keep. Yeah, never was dope, big dog status

1120
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: was dope.

1121
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: You know, I will never disrespect my mom or her

1122
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: or her mother.

1123
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 4: Need I didn't make that a.

1124
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: Gangster rap, That's what I'm saying. Where gangster rap really

1125
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: can be, Like, that's not a rule in gangster world.

1126
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: You know what let me want.

1127
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 6: I want to make a quick point to another thing

1128
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 6: that I think contributes to people's top you know, albums

1129
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 6: and different things like that. I think it it also

1130
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 6: becomes very personal because it takes us back to that

1131
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 6: time as well.

1132
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.

1133
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 6: So when I say Spice one, it's the music that's

1134
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 6: a big part of it, but it's also that time

1135
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 6: of my life, you know what I mean.

1136
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: It was a soundtrack to my life at the time.

1137
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 6: That may be one of my favorite, you know, more

1138
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 6: memorable sectors of sections of my life. Just like when

1139
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 6: I say, just like when I say Scarface, like that

1140
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 6: takes me back that first album that takes or even

1141
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 6: ate like ate that music to drive by, not music

1142
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 6: to drive.

1143
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 4: By, but we come strapped Like that takes me back

1144
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 4: to when I was off the porch and it was adventurous.

1145
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: I was out there for me. That's dogfool mm hmmm,

1146
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: that was. But still what's crazy is right? Is I agree?

1147
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 4: Right?

1148
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: But then one thing that I appreciate about what I

1149
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: do is and still gets mad.

1150
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: I can separate what I like from what's truly the

1151
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 5: greatest mm hmm, Like juvenile for sure is by far.

1152
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: My favorite cash money artists, and I'd say he's the

1153
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: best total.

1154
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: Who would you juveniles against rapper? Yeah?

1155
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: I would.

1156
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: I don't understand. I don't understand. Man, It's like eight

1157
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: and so on, and I ain't talking behind my brother's back,

1158
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: but they will. That's not a gangster rapper. It's like, nigga,

1159
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: are you crazy?

1160
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 6: Tell you it's probably because you know, they don't understand

1161
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 6: the lingo. They don't understand like New Orleans. I got

1162
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 6: a home in New Orleans. I have a New Orleans.

1163
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 6: I d like I'm a resident of Louisiana. But they

1164
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 6: don't understand. Just like Memphis or the swag is different.

1165
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 6: See on the way, coach, we know what it is, right, Uh, nigga,

1166
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 6: a nigga into life, look like a nigga in a life,

1167
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 6: especially back in our in our day, right nigga had

1168
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 6: the uniform. But in New Orleans, them niggas would be dancing.

1169
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 6: You'll see niggas dancing and hopping and doing all that.

1170
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: Killers, bro.

1171
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 6: They dressed different, they talk different, like like even even

1172
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 6: like even when you're looking.

1173
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Heroin, it killed three niggas and cast That's what I'm saying.

1174
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 4: So That's what I'm saying.

1175
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 6: So when you look at BG right when he came

1176
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 6: home and how his body language and people.

1177
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: Was talking about that, that's how some of them niggas

1178
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: act like.

1179
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 6: It's almost like some pimp shit like they they body

1180
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 6: language is different, they lingo, they swaged different. So you

1181
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 6: don't know the man, it's different, bro, it's different, you

1182
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So just like if you go

1183
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 6: to Portland, you go to Seattle, you think they're not

1184
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 6: stepping up there, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

1185
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 6: so I think niggas just don't catch the len go man.

1186
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: And the thing is they got steppers everywhere. It's like

1187
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: you can go to Montana somewhere and this and I

1188
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: guarantee you it's a nigga out. That is with the bullshit.

1189
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 5: I was in Omaha, niggas was bussing budding them, come down, crazy,

1190
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 5: kill your right, your motherfucking ass down. That's why people

1191
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 5: always ask me, glasses, how you go? How you get

1192
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 5: a look nigga? Everywhere is right where I'm from, I

1193
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 5: check every nigga like these niggas is crazy and I

1194
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 5: got to go all the way.

1195
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: So if it's a problem and go all the way

1196
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: because you deserve that much respect.

1197
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1198
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: Listen.

1199
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 6: I've been to Omaha. I used to go up there

1200
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 6: to Liola's back in the day. Made a lot of

1201
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: money out of Leola's record shop up there. Mom and

1202
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 6: Pop shot one of the biggest ones down there, and man, listen,

1203
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 6: and I used to you know, you know whatever whatever

1204
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 6: up there, Man, yeah, them niggas get down up.

1205
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: There will kill your motherfucking glass. I was out there

1206
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: they shot some ship up and I was like, you niggas,

1207
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm going home.

1208
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 4: Because I've been to the Natty.

1209
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: I've been to you know.

1210
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: What I mean is I was in a Natty in

1211
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or three, maybe even four. But

1212
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or three.

1213
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: Is that when you looked up with JT.

1214
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is after that. This is before that.

1215
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I was with the Young Guns.

1216
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 5: The Young Guns had a show and we was ride

1217
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 5: with the Young Guns. This is what I was on

1218
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: some d boys ship and people. Right, So we shout

1219
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 5: out to Christian because them niggas is the genuine article.

1220
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I just say that now.

1221
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: But you know, we go to we go to the Natty.

1222
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: They got a show.

1223
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 5: This first time I taste nasty ass Cracker Barrel. I

1224
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 5: don't know what your niggas in the Midwest doing that place.

1225
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: Shut that ship down. That ship is the worst place

1226
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: in the world.

1227
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 5: Between between the Midwest infatuation with Cracker Barrel and the

1228
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 5: South niggas infatuation with the Wiffle House, I don't know

1229
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 5: what the fun either one of them. For the niggas

1230
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 5: in the Midwest beating Cracker Barrel and niggas that nigga,

1231
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I'm just.

1232
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: It's just too much good food.

1233
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 5: It's entirely too much good food for y'all to be

1234
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 5: fucking with them places where you're from, Pop, that's a

1235
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 5: stop I would see if you was out here. You know,

1236
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 5: it ain't that much great ship out here, but over

1237
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 5: there it's some ship you go to the gas station

1238
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 5: and get food is good.

1239
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: So here, huh, the Cracker Barrel is almost like Denny's.

1240
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 5: Denny's ain't good to me in Cincinnati, right, And there's

1241
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 5: a movement going on. It's a rapper's name is Cross, right,

1242
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 5: So this is before Hyphi is happening. But they have

1243
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 5: this movement where they're talking about popping pills and dancing

1244
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 5: mm hmm.

1245
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: And they had these do.

1246
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 5: The sound salnd do the sound sound and this is

1247
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 5: like the whole city is doing it now, murk out now.

1248
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 5: And they was dancing and they why you popping in

1249
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 5: Like uh huh, we be dropping it. They be talking

1250
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 5: about popping peels and dancing. And I was thinking to myself, like,

1251
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 5: this is the craziest shit in.

1252
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: The world to be happening.

1253
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: And it was in Cincinnati, and it was never nowhere else.

1254
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 5: And I remember leaving and it never happened nowhere else

1255
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 5: but in Cincinnati. It was the greatest thing I ever saw.

1256
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: Mm see.

1257
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: The last other time I saw that, I was in

1258
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: Dallas when Certified came. I certified huge in Dallas.

1259
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: Number one song in Dallas, and I go down there

1260
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 5: to get some money out of the show. I walked

1261
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 5: through and they playing this music and it's all these

1262
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 5: dance songs. This this, these weird songs Thanky leg and

1263
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 5: Dude the Frankie do It Frankie.

1264
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: And Ricky Bobby and I'm.

1265
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 5: Like, and they dancing in a circle, and I remember

1266
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 5: it was some niggas I was fucking with from oak Cliff,

1267
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 5: Thatple Street.

1268
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: It's a motherfucker. These niggas in the club, fucking it

1269
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: up in the whole club. It's three thousand people court club, dancing.

1270
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 4: In a circle, yep.

1271
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is crazy.

1272
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 5: Now that shit came back home. I mean, obviously staky.

1273
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 5: They became the biggest shit.

1274
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1275
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 5: I saw that ship in Dallas with all the street

1276
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 5: niggas and everybody else in Dallas, and that shit be

1277
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 5: the greatest thing about hip hop, where these things happen

1278
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 5: in these towns, and you'd be like, what the fuck,

1279
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 5: and then it kind of get watered down when you

1280
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: see it out, you know what I mean.

1281
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,479
Speaker 1: He be like, it's not the same.

1282
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 5: Like when the Dallas niggas was doing it. It used

1283
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 5: to be a nigga called mister hit that hole and

1284
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 5: he looked like he ran a band and he called me,

1285
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 5: mister hit that hole, call me fucking it up. And

1286
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 5: he be in the club and the club was looking

1287
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: at this nigga, this nigga going.

1288
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing.

1289
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 5: And then I seen some nigga doing in La and

1290
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 5: I was so disappointed, Like, bro let them Dallas niggas

1291
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 5: have they thing, you know what I mean, Like we

1292
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 5: can do the dances there, but don't try to be

1293
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: the nigga mister hit that hole.

1294
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 6: You know, you know what I missed, bro, I miss

1295
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 6: how like nowadays, a lot of the hip hop, you know, it.

1296
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 4: Sounds the same. Right back in the day, you could

1297
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 4: hear super regional.

1298
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 6: You if you if you heard something, you could kind

1299
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 6: of pinpoint where they were from, right, But I remember

1300
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 6: how it was regional. Like if you went to Miami,

1301
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 6: you knew you had Miami Base. You know, you had

1302
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: Luke and them. You knew the BPM was gonna be

1303
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 6: three hundred, You knew they was gonna be.

1304
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 4: Chanting and ship like that.

1305
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's what it felt like.

1306
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 4: You feel me and and and you.

1307
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 6: And you knew you was gonna have Miami Base with

1308
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 6: Magic Mic and them down there. But then you know,

1309
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 6: when you go to New Orleans, you knew you was

1310
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 6: gonna have bust down. You gonna you know, you're gonna

1311
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 6: have that that that that that why that bounced right,

1312
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 6: And you knew when you went to New York it

1313
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 6: was gonna be on some boom back backpacker lyrics ship.

1314
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: So I missed that.

1315
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 4: I missed that where it was this melting pot of

1316
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 4: just of culture.

1317
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 5: You know, hey, listen, it was I went to Jackson

1318
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 5: City before I went to Kansas City.

1319
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: M hm, because right right nowhere but Instagram page right nowhere.

1320
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 4: One thing that you said that was very poignant was discovery.

1321
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 6: That was what was That's what's missing in hip hop,

1322
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 6: and that's what was so special because think about it

1323
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 6: in our day when you went and you bought that tape,

1324
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: you bought that CD and you opened it and the

1325
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 6: way it smelled, you read the credits, you read the shoutouts,

1326
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 6: you know, and they were from somewhere else, and they

1327
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 6: were giving you a glimpse into their culture, into their

1328
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 6: street culture, into their lingo, to their slang, to everything.

1329
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 6: Like when I listened to Ghetto Boys, I felt like

1330
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 6: I was in Houston. I felt like I was in

1331
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 6: Fifth Ward, Like damn, this shit different. You know, I'm

1332
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 6: up here in Kansas City at the Folk Block that's

1333
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 6: Fifth Ward. When I listened to you know, with that

1334
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: Ryan C and Dallas when you know what I mean,

1335
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, that's what I'm saying.

1336
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 4: I missed that. That's what hip hop is missing, is

1337
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 4: that discovery.

1338
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 3: I want to leave your with this man before we

1339
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: get out of your dog and y'all both like bring

1340
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: up some real valid shit, right, because that's what the

1341
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: problem is today with everything. Nobody is pushing the envelope

1342
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: and nothing they doing anymore. Everything is okay. I see

1343
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 3: he popping with that. Now I'm gonna try it. It

1344
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: looks easy. Nobody is putting the work in anymore. It's

1345
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: like even with podcasting right now, I look out there

1346
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: and I see all my It's like I see all

1347
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 3: my children. She can attest to this. I see everybody

1348
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 3: that had one format. Now everybody is interviewing gangsters on

1349
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 3: their show, some people that shouldn't be, and I don't

1350
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: even think they understand what they really getting themself into

1351
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: because it ain't just that simple. But I'my's interview a

1352
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: nigga that's from the curve, and it ain't It shouldn't

1353
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: be about that. But I see people trying to imitate mimic.

1354
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 3: Nobody is doing the homework no more and saying, you

1355
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 3: know what, I'm going to bring a different discussion. That's

1356
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: not in music, that's not in podcasts, it's not in anything.

1357
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody pushing then envelope. Ain't nobody trying to be

1358
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: great no more because the biggest thing I hate. Man,

1359
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: it's the worst word ever. I'm going to get the bag.

1360
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: That's it.

1361
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: And that was been so gentrified. The nigga be going

1362
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: to work tomorrow. You going to get the bag. That's

1363
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: like when people say I'm outside, brother, that is not

1364
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: what they mean. You're literally outside.

1365
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: It's not.

1366
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: Let me say one thing too for you, get up

1367
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: out of here. You know what I love about hip hop?

1368
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. When you heard Tech nine,

1369
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: when you heard bone thus in Harmony, when you heard Twisted,

1370
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: you heard a style that was similar, you could tell

1371
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: they was off from the Midwest, that they none of

1372
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: them sounded alike.

1373
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 5: Nope, the all did the same double timestyle at R

1374
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 5: and B style, but you could just it was a Midwest.

1375
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: It's like when you heard Us in Oakland, you could.

1376
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 5: Hear the funk right. You can get a mob music

1377
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: versus G funk, and it's funk based, but it was

1378
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 5: easily little small nuances.

1379
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: I love that about hip hop. I remember hearing Bootsy

1380
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: for the first time at Juvenile. I'm like, they from Louisiana,

1381
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: but you could tell they both Louisiana. But it's just different.

1382
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: Different, Yeah, and I agree.

1383
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 5: Hip hop was like you know, was my first plane

1384
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 5: ticket to to Marshie, to the to Brooklyn, you know

1385
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 5: what I mean to bed style, like to to Sta

1386
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 5: when I finally went to State, Nyland and I and

1387
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 5: I hung out because it's a grip of brims in

1388
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 5: the projects now over there, right, shout out to all

1389
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 5: my brind hummies in State nightlingd Right, but like you,

1390
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 5: you just can feel the fucking woo tang in the

1391
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 5: fucking air, right, you know you can feel the woo

1392
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 5: tang in the fucking air man it used to be.

1393
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: And that's to me like what we try to do

1394
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: even with cancel these nuts, Like we was like, yo.

1395
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 5: Let's make that ship with you like man in man

1396
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: an still got that at until we you know, we

1397
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 5: we can't let you do. And I told you this

1398
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 5: when we was on holding court on your pole, and

1399
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 5: I was like, we can't really give you too much

1400
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 5: discovery because it's been forty years of it. But what

1401
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 5: we can do is recover some of that shit you remember, Yeah,

1402
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 5: I mean, because we very much distill the same la

1403
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 5: niggas the ones who ain't looked at the South was

1404
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 5: like I'm Finna ride South Dick or I'm finn to

1405
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 5: ride Detroit Dick.

1406
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: But the niggas, who really is like staunched down niggas,

1407
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: They the same niggas. They still got an opinion about

1408
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: what's happening today.

1409
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 6: You know what's weird, bro, It's almost like because of

1410
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 6: technology has been a gift and a curse. But technology

1411
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 6: did the same thing to music as it did with

1412
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 6: the game.

1413
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1414
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 6: Because everybody started communicating and started traveling, it all became

1415
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 6: the same. The numbers became the same everywhere, just like

1416
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 6: the sound became the same everybody.

1417
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: You know what's fun. That's a great point. Even further,

1418
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: culture cannot stay isolated as long.

1419
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 5: Remember you had to at least buy that ten dollars

1420
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 5: CD because you either you're gonna pay a three hundred

1421
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 5: dollars plane ticket or a ten dollars CD. Now it's

1422
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 5: about logging on Instagram and listening. And next thing you know,

1423
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 5: you hear a whole world talking about twelve referring to

1424
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: police is twelve. You hear a whole world referring to

1425
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 5: motherfuckers's ops.

1426
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: Like it'll be you know, I mean, I heard motherfuckers

1427
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: on ESPN, like, oh yeah, all the said for the

1428
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: forty nine er fans of smoking on that Green Bay

1429
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: pack And I'm like.

1430
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 5: Yep, coach, you go from from the dirt to mainstream.

1431
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 4: But just like just like cripwalking though, just like cripwalker,

1432
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 4: but it took a long time.

1433
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: You think about that, Think.

1434
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 5: But we had crip walking for twenty years. I've been

1435
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 5: watching niggas kip walks as long as I've been alive.

1436
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 5: It didn't really hit everybody till the late nineties.

1437
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: That's right.

1438
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 5: But think about it, like, niggas don't have like, niggas

1439
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 5: don't have no culture, you know what I mean. Niggas

1440
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 5: don't have no culture. That that if it's your culture,

1441
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 5: you're gonna get that motherfucker. Once it hit the nigga,

1442
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 5: you got six days.

1443
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a gift in the curse, bro because

1444
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 6: I think because the information, like you said, just it

1445
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 6: takes away all the discovery because back in the day,

1446
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 6: you know, things weren't so instant, you know what I mean.

1447
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,520
Speaker 6: It wasn't this instant gratification. There was lead time for magazines.

1448
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 6: We waited because think about it, shit would happen. But shit,

1449
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 6: we waiting on the source. We waiting on double xcel

1450
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 6: a murder dog. Hell, it might be too much before

1451
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 6: we really get to school, you know what I'm saying.

1452
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 6: So when everything is so instant, it tends you tend

1453
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 6: to not appreciate it and savor it as much money.

1454
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: This is a really interesting conversation. So if you listen

1455
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: to the Gangster Rap Chronicles, if.

1456
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 5: You listen to this podcast and you're an artist or

1457
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 5: you're somebody in the creation business, this is a really

1458
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 5: important conversation to have about culture, you know what I mean,

1459
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 5: Where it's like Yore, we're saying culture is being gentrified

1460
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 5: at the speed of light. So maybe it's about introducing

1461
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 5: something that is not because I don't think you can

1462
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 5: really really fuck the game up, you know, if it's

1463
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: just totally culture, you know what I mean, Because culture

1464
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 5: is just not it's not as unique as long so

1465
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 5: you may have to look for EDGs, maybe get into

1466
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 5: the etymology of all this.

1467
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you what

1468
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 6: got lost? You asked me this on my show on

1469
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: Holding Court podcast. You asked me in real time, I

1470
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 6: dropped the ball, I went blank. I didn't think about

1471
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 6: it till after the fact. But you asked me, you said,

1472
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 6: what is hip hop? Now I know the answer to that,

1473
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 6: but in the context of what we were debating, I

1474
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 6: lost it.

1475
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: But so think about it.

1476
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 6: Hip hop was what it was, graffiti, it was breakdancing,

1477
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 6: DJ and aliens. It was elements, right, So those elements

1478
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 6: at one point, they did evolve during the nineties and

1479
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 6: toward the early two thousands they started to just totally leave,

1480
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 6: you know, So now there really isn't any culture. It's

1481
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 6: about catching a vibe, making some money, and that's what

1482
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 6: it is like there.

1483
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: That means, so are we mad? So are we still?

1484
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: When NA said hip hop is dead, that he's not lying.

1485
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 6: When you if you take it back to inception of it,

1486
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 6: if you take it back like you did etomology, if

1487
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 6: you trace it back to the etymology of it, and

1488
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 6: judging from that space, it's dead.

1489
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: It been dead because it's or or.

1490
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: Or or because it's definitely been gentrified and what not.

1491
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 5: You but where me and all in New York, it

1492
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 5: definitely has been most of all our ghetto has been gentrified.

1493
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 4: In Lost Angeles, absolutely, absolutely so.

1494
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: Even though those were the centerpieces of hip hop as

1495
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: for our street urban culture being expressed. We've been gentified.

1496
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: But that's also why.

1497
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 5: It's in Saint Louis right now, because guess what, Saint

1498
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 5: Louis is still a ghetto.

1499
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: It's in Memphis because if you go to Memphis, Memphis,

1500
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: it's still a ghetto. So that's why they're producing the

1501
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: successful hip hop artists.

1502
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 5: Still in Los Angeles is struggling and New York is

1503
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 5: struggling because because the poverty is like, there's no more poverty.

1504
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 5: You could be broke, but you can't be poor because

1505
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 5: it's shit too expensive to live here.

1506
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 6: But see that, And I'm glad you made that point

1507
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 6: because it's another point I wanted to make. But I

1508
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 6: think that you got to think about it. So, like

1509
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 6: you said, you said that hip hop comes from street

1510
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 6: urban culture. It comes from these you know, densely populated

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 6: communities that are you know, crime, written, poverty and all

1512
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 6: of that. But see, it's not cool to be poor

1513
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 6: no more. Everybody starts off rich. Everybody starts off with a.

1514
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 4: Gang of money.

1515
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 6: And you know, I got it from the Mud, but

1516
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 6: I got it from the Mud because I was getting

1517
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 6: millions out of you know what I mean about he

1518
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 6: had a football Schottlar. I turned out three million at college.

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 6: So, so when when we talk about the culture and

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 6: the essence of it, it has it has really been

1522
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 6: sold out for quick money, even when you think about

1523
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 6: the skill level. I think that I like a lot

1524
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 6: of the new music, but I think that kind of

1525
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 6: like what PIMC said before he passed away, he was

1526
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 6: complaining then fifteen years ago he was like, man, y'all

1527
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 6: not giving no game, no commentary, no social commentary, Like

1528
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 6: where is the balance? Like it's cool, give me some

1529
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 6: gangster shit. I like some gangster shit, you know, give

1530
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 6: me some ripe ye shit. But at the same time,

1531
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 6: you know, give me a little bit more, you know,

1532
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 6: give me, give me some real life perspective, give me

1533
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 6: some game that could be helpful. Like e forty, I

1534
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 6: say this all the time. You know, he too short

1535
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 6: taught me how to deal with women in terms of

1536
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 6: having utter confidence. And you know n Wa taught me

1537
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 6: how to deal with men in terms of the aggressive

1538
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 6: part of it. You know, he forty taught me how

1539
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 6: to stay out of prison. Once you start, once you

1540
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 6: start getting some money, you move a certain way. You

1541
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 6: start you know, like when he said, don't buy a

1542
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 6: seventy five thousand dollars car before you buy house.

1543
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like he was telling you

1544
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 4: how to move ice tea the same way.

1545
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 6: But I think that now it's really crash out music.

1546
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 6: Everybody's depressed. You know, you got cause niggas is on

1547
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 6: so much, so many drugs. You got niggas on uppers, downers.

1548
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 6: You know, they get getting high. They sad, they mad,

1549
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 6: they hyper. They did say that, and I think that,

1550
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 6: you know, the culture is just completely gone now. I

1551
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 6: was talking with somebody about this a couple of days

1552
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 6: ago about why the South has had it. It actually

1553
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 6: derived from you and I our conversation in terms of

1554
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 6: the West Coast where they get the ball back. I'm

1555
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 6: gonna tell you where I think the South got it

1556
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 6: and why they keep it. It's as simple as the pocket.

1557
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 6: It's what you said, culture, but it's also the pocket.

1558
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 6: It's something infectious about down South, the music, the pockets

1559
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 6: that they wrap in the production, just the way they ride.

1560
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 6: The beat, which translates to the club, translates to the

1561
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 6: strip club, it translates to riding in the car, It

1562
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 6: translates whereas with traditional West Coast it's a groove, right,

1563
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 6: it's a groove, but a lot of it. It really

1564
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 6: can't translate to the strip club.

1565
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 4: It really came.

1566
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 5: You know what's funny to even add to that point.

1567
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 5: The strip club wasn't the main club in Los Angeles,

1568
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 5: I mean across the country.

1569
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.

1570
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 5: What happened was the death of the party, death of

1571
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 5: the regular, the death of the Tunnel, the death of.

1572
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: The Century Club.

1573
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but is still here.

1574
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: But Tutsi's in Miami is still here in all its

1575
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 1: glory like a basketball gym full of strippers, a two story,

1576
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: three story building with strippers, you know what I mean.

1577
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 3: And that.

1578
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 5: But the South also, to their credit, and again I

1579
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 5: never felt any competition with region, right because it's that's

1580
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 5: just crazy, right, You either don't. But a great point

1581
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 5: is they're still poverty in the South. People like I

1582
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 5: don't think Atlanta got the ball no more. I don't

1583
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 5: think Atlanta's had the ball for the last thirty six months.

1584
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 5: And I think you'll have some stuff that's lingering over. Yeah,

1585
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 5: but most of the ship is coming from Memphis. Memphis,

1586
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 5: because Memphis is one big fucking ghetto was still abandoned houses. Yeah, yeah,

1587
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 5: you've been out here court, you would have been to

1588
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 5: count the wise nigga were the only thing left ghetto

1589
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 5: in country watch because none of the fucking houses our ghetto,

1590
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 5: none of the lines niggas lines.

1591
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 4: Had you fucked up?

1592
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 6: Bro, You'll be in l A and be like, oh,

1593
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 6: look at the palm trees and look at the gars

1594
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 6: and your ass being some bullshit. So I think the

1595
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,520
Speaker 6: South sixties, the sixties is beautiful.

1596
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 4: People don't know.

1597
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 3: Conversation. We had an hour and twenty right now, man.

1598
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: And nigga yo, yo, your listener deserves insightful.

1599
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: Then, and we would give it to them at another time.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we will see you guys next week. We

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01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 3: will continue this discussion next week. Letting note we out.

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Speaker 1: Of here out here.

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 3: Well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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