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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Kyles Forber and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 1: Ruben Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's The Lucky. It's a

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Speaker 1: Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, December ninth, twenty twenty five. Jim, we

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Speaker 2: might have a little uh. Are you feeling optimistic or

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Speaker 2: you feel a little upbeat because Dave Dombrowski yesterday I

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Speaker 2: used the word optimism regarding Kyle Schwarber's free agency.

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Speaker 3: Well, you must be feeling optimistic because that's two days

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Speaker 3: in a row you've used the Kyle Schwarber lead into

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Speaker 3: the Philly Show. But I am feeling so optimistic that

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Speaker 3: I've brought a prop to today's show. Okay, and Harey

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Speaker 3: comes down the street.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching this on YouTube, there's a bus.

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Speaker 3: I have a bad wheel on that book. Ye, I'll

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Speaker 3: show you this side that's like that's the schwar bus

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Speaker 3: pulling into the station.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday Monday, Jim, at the Winter Meetings, we're up

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Speaker 2: in Dave Dombrowski's Sweet the Phillies Sweet, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: to him, and the question was posed, how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about negotiations right now? With the two big guys

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Speaker 2: meeting Schwarburn JT and and Dave used the word optimism.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've been covering Dave a long time

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Speaker 2: and just GMS a long time, and and a lot

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Speaker 2: of times will deflect well, you know where it's it's

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Speaker 2: a process.

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Speaker 1: And but the fact that he said.

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Speaker 2: We're there's some optimism to me jumped out at me immediately.

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Speaker 2: And then in my conversations here talking to people inside

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Speaker 2: outside the organization, people that are familiar with Schwarber's thinking,

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Speaker 2: he believes that, you know, they are going to get

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Speaker 2: something done at some point.

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Speaker 1: With the Phillies. What do you think? What do you hear?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. The fact that Dave used

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Speaker 3: the word optimism is very encouraging, very kind of telltale,

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Speaker 3: because you know, I think we had all heard there

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Speaker 3: might have been some frustration with maybe the pace of

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Speaker 3: things in recent weeks, and I think that's natural, it's

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Speaker 3: it's the byplay of a negotiation. But everything I hear

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Speaker 3: is narrowing down on Philadelphia and their return. Many signs

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Speaker 3: and you know, I've heard the Phillies expected decision this week,

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Speaker 3: and I've seen signs that, like I said, the bus

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Speaker 3: is pulling back into Philadelphia so that's that's you know,

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Speaker 3: and I I say, you wrote like they want a decision.

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Speaker 3: They need a decision because they need to you know,

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Speaker 3: you start need to start moving on to Plan b's

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Speaker 3: before they start disappearing. And Kyle and his agent Casey

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Speaker 3: close the very respectful gentleman. They understand that that you

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Speaker 3: can't hold a team hostage forever. They're not. They're there.

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Speaker 3: I think they operate in good faith. So yeah, all

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Speaker 3: signs point to something being resolved, a resolution this week

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Speaker 3: and just overwhelming evidence and feel and just talking to

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Speaker 3: people and signs. And this is what you do as report.

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Speaker 3: You put all the pieces together and you come up

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Speaker 3: with a bigger puzzle and every little puzzle chip, puzzle

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Speaker 3: piece seems to have a big red pea on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know things can change. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the Red Sox could wake up today and go, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to get p Alonso. Let's just go

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Speaker 2: crazy and just get make sure we get college over.

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Speaker 2: So you never know what can change. But the teams

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Speaker 2: that have reportedly are reportedly involved or are involved, the Reds,

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Speaker 2: the Pirates, the Red Sox, the Mets, the Orioles have

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Speaker 2: been mentioned I can say, just again just from being here,

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Speaker 2: some of those teams that are involved, they are hopeful,

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Speaker 2: but they're also not optimistic. They are kind of like, listen,

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Speaker 2: we're giving our best shot here, We're trying our best

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Speaker 2: to get cal shwar but we would love him. But

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Speaker 2: even they think again, just from what I understand, even

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Speaker 2: they think that he is going to go back to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. I mean, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we're out here, Jim later this week going your

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Speaker 2: your bus with the broken wheel.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's more broken wheels.

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Speaker 3: On it, you know, but anything we you know, Ed

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Speaker 3: Wade used to say, a deal is not done until

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Speaker 3: it's done. You know. He can be on the you know,

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Speaker 3: in the red zone, on the on the one yard

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Speaker 3: is it's going to happen, and they can start moving

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Speaker 3: on to other things because they have other pieces of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I should mention that he Dave when he used

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Speaker 2: the word optimism, he included JT. Real Muto in that

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Speaker 2: buzz about JT at the meetings. Obviously, Schwarber is the

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Speaker 2: big piece that needs to fall. It seems like, you know,

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Speaker 2: gonna have Bregman break and Baschette break and Alonzo break

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Speaker 2: big pieces off the board. Is they try to find

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and these are guys with young kids. I think,

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Speaker 3: young families, young family men, and I think they want

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Speaker 3: to have things wrapped up before Christmas. I actually think

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Speaker 3: Schwarber his family might be growing this month. I think he's, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: do to have a baby this He and his wife

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Speaker 3: to have another child this month. So just a lot

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Speaker 2: Another piece of interesting news, Jim, that came out of

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Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski's suite on Monday was something that you first

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Speaker 2: mentioned as a possibility man, Well, was that early last

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Speaker 2: month GM meetings. Dave, I'm talking about Don Mattingly becoming

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Speaker 2: the new Phillies bench coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he was the guy they targeted from

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Speaker 3: day one, and I think the ball has been in

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Speaker 3: Don Mattingly's court all along and he's been, you know,

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Speaker 3: mulling things over and it sounds like it's going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So so we were talking earlier about how you know

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Speaker 2: it's no mistake when Dave says optimism about Shoreburn JT.

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Speaker 1: There's the reason why he's saying that.

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Speaker 2: He's not just's he didn't yeah, yeah, he he We

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Speaker 2: did I say that? So he knows something regarding Don Manningly.

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Speaker 2: He goes, no, Listen, nothing's done yet, but we're really

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Speaker 2: hopeful Don Manningly is going to sign hire.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to get this thing done.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, Don Manningly, unless something insane happens, is

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Speaker 2: going to be the new Phillies bench coach, which which

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Speaker 2: is something that I think they they they wanted, they need,

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Speaker 2: you know, a guy with big league experience, tons of

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Speaker 2: managerial experience, tons of coaching experience, and in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's timely. It was disappointing to see him

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Speaker 3: knocket in. I'm still hopefully he gets in some day.

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Speaker 3: I think he I think it's a richly deserved honor,

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Speaker 3: here after Phillies can finally get over the hump and

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Speaker 3: win a World Series. I think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: a valuable contributor, another set of eyes in the dugout,

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Speaker 3: and he'll bring a lot of cred to that coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: you know, because there's not a lot of major league

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Speaker 3: in some quarters corners of the clubhouse over the years. Well,

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Speaker 3: nobody can shake a stick at that experience exactly.

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Speaker 2: Now, Dave did have Dave Dombrowski did say something interesting

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Speaker 2: regarding this hire. He said, well, first, he's like, listen,

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Speaker 2: I've had long conversations with Don. Of course Rob Thompson,

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Speaker 2: he said, yeah, just to make sure everybody's comfortable with

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Speaker 2: Monday and said, oh, yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'd be it's going to be great. I have no

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Speaker 2: Preston Manningly joked that now he can take now when

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Speaker 1: He's at the business meal.

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Speaker 2: But Dave did also say this, Jim, and this is

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Speaker 2: something we might have discussed this on the show.

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Speaker 1: I believe right.

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Speaker 2: He says, listen, some people might wonder, if you know,

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Speaker 2: having that direct link into the front office could be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's something you know, I wondered about from

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be interpreted, and as him being a clubhouse

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Speaker 3: there's you know, tons of people. You can't take a

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Speaker 3: in their clubhouse, they can find out stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Done Mattingly is gonna be here and and where he

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Speaker 3: Rob Thompson, there's no ego. They're all about how can

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Speaker 3: deeper into the postseason things that have been elusive, And

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Speaker 3: would be an unbelievable great story if Don Mattingly's first

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Speaker 3: would be a fabulous human story that I would love

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Speaker 3: it could be like a story book. So Don Maddingly

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Speaker 3: a very honorable man. Rob Thompson a very honorable honorable man.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Rob's gonna be looking over his shoulder.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, Rob how secure he is. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a Dave Dombroski higher. I go back

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Speaker 3: that quote. They have stars. They haven't won the big

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean just you know, he is a star man

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Speaker 2: Don Manningly, I mean, come on nineteen eighty five New

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Speaker 1: He was on this week in Baseball, Gym every Saturday morning,

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Speaker 3: I love when Steinbrenner was giving him crap about his

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Speaker 3: It'd be like, uh, it'd be like Jerry Kramer looking

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Speaker 2: I like that image, Jim, that's a good image. I

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Speaker 2: like that image absolutely.

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Speaker 3: See where Where's just you know, that's why we got

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Speaker 2: I mean it's those are the things that you love

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like the uh, the Manningly bus.

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Speaker 2: Is pulling into I'd say, I'd say the Manningly bus

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it's it's it sounds, it feels like

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Speaker 2: Feels like it now, Yeah, we'll see, We'll say. A

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Speaker 2: this is now the third time I'm saying on the show.

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Speaker 2: But when the when the president of Baseball Operations is

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Speaker 2: this guy is not coming back. This guy is not

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Speaker 3: A few years ago.

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Speaker 2: Phillies outbid the Marlins by what like sixty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Or so wow, you know, Merry Christmas, Yeah, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: But he was originally interested in going to the Marlins,

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Speaker 2: so you know, they would be a great fit, but

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Speaker 2: it does not sound like the Marlins are interested right

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe they could pull off something soon, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like if any trade goes down for Nick Castiance,

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Speaker 2: and then if not, they probably release them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the whole thing is just they've

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Speaker 3: get him the playing time in spring training because other

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Speaker 3: get that change of scenery and just find out what

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Speaker 3: But I agree with you, it seems like it'll be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So allay, So we'll see what happens on Tuesday

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Speaker 2: at the Winter Meetings. No, Rob Thompson is every Winter

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Speaker 2: meetings they have these manager manager availabilities. Rob Thompson's going

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Speaker 2: to have his availability Tuesday afternoon. Of course, we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to davidan browskiing this weitek later. Maybe he'll

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Speaker 2: have some news, maybe he'll drop some more encouraging words

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Speaker 2: of optimism or and whatnot. Uh So we'll be back

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday morning to do it one more time.

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Speaker 1: From the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, well, great talking to you. We'll see what happens

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Speaker 3: and smelly later.

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