Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2: He's the head coach of the Auburn Tigers his eleventh
Speaker 2: year there. He's Bruce Pearl. It was six years ago
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis. I had you in studio, you had your
Speaker 2: team in the Final four, and I said to Paulie,
Speaker 2: I'm going to make Bruce Pearl cry that day. And
Speaker 2: you did shed a tear a light tier, but I
Speaker 2: got you to cry.
Speaker 3: Hi, Bruce, Hi, Dan, who are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great. I'm not going to try to make you
Speaker 2: cry this time.
Speaker 3: You know, of all your great accomplishments over the course
Speaker 3: of your career, I hope my shedding a teer is
Speaker 3: it one of them.
Speaker 2: It was just a goal to see if I could,
Speaker 2: you know, bring out that emotion, because you're an emotional guy.
Speaker 2: You say you cry a lot. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've cried the last two games that you lost. You know,
Speaker 2: no offense here the timing of this, but you know,
Speaker 2: when's the last time you cried.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I probably cried after we'd be Kentucky at
Speaker 3: RUP and won the championship. I'd say I would say probably.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty passionate. You talk about family, talk
Speaker 3: about the Lord, you know, talk about the blood, sweat
Speaker 3: and tears that go into all the things that it
Speaker 3: takes to win a championship. In other words, just like
Speaker 3: putting up with me and my expectations, my accountability, my
Speaker 3: you know, my my temper. I'm grateful, grateful, uh and
Speaker 3: blessed and did not cry after we lost to tex
Speaker 3: A and m and Alabama because we've lost four games.
Speaker 3: We've lost to Duke and John Shire at john Shire Duke,
Speaker 3: we lost to Todd Golden at Florida, and those those
Speaker 3: had been the only two losses we had had for
Speaker 3: a long time. And and and so for a while
Speaker 3: I could say, like, the only coaches in the country
Speaker 3: that I'm willing to lose to are Jewish coaches, John Shied,
Speaker 3: Todd Goolden, Like, if you're not Jewish, I'm not losing
Speaker 3: to you. We Jews don't like to lose very often,
Speaker 3: in case you haven't noticed, with I'm Israel co And
Speaker 3: but then Buzz Williams came in ranked you know, fourteenth
Speaker 3: in the country, and and then of course we lost
Speaker 3: to Nate Oates. And I don't think either one of
Speaker 3: those guys, you know, for a temple.
Speaker 2: Uh, princey, would you check and see if they're the
Speaker 2: other two coaches are Jewish?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Good? Okay? So why'd you cry after you
Speaker 2: lost or one at Kentucky at rupp Arena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think just I guess the motion
Speaker 3: of it all the the the being being, you know,
Speaker 3: really really grateful Dan. I think what we do as
Speaker 3: we work in this this this ministry or in this
Speaker 3: thing about coaching, we are we are we are to
Speaker 3: win and compete for championships. We really truly do. And
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, there was a championship
Speaker 3: that could be won. I didn't cry at the when
Speaker 3: we beat when we when we won the Maui Invitational.
Speaker 3: You know that that you know, that wasn't that wasn't
Speaker 3: big enough. But I think because the league was so
Speaker 3: good and it was so hard, and every night you
Speaker 3: had to kind of get ready and and and there
Speaker 3: were a lot of upsets. Our my basketball team did
Speaker 3: not get upset very much at all. Uh And in
Speaker 3: the sense that they beat a lot of people they
Speaker 3: were supposed to beat. And Uh, I probably just tried
Speaker 3: it cried out of gratitude, gratefulness.
Speaker 2: Who's the best player in college basketball this year, well,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Jan I Broom is that it should be the college
Speaker 3: player of the year because of all that he's accomplished
Speaker 3: and and and all that he's able to do for
Speaker 3: our team lead us and scoring and rebounding and assists
Speaker 3: and and and and obviously stepped up in the biggest games.
Speaker 3: I think Cooper flag at Duke is going to be
Speaker 3: if he's not the first player drafted, is gonna be
Speaker 3: one of the top player drafted. And Cooper is an
Speaker 3: amazing player who plays so hard and impacts the game
Speaker 3: so much. But what Auburn has done this year through
Speaker 3: this league to have sixteen Quad one wins has never
Speaker 3: been done before. That means on we had twenty games
Speaker 3: against the Quad one. Now, when you're playing a Quad
Speaker 3: one game, I don't care where you're ranked one through
Speaker 3: thirty five. Let's say we've got a fifty five sixty
Speaker 3: percent chance of winning that game, even if we're one,
Speaker 3: playing against the team that's twenty And to win sixteen
Speaker 3: of those out of twenty is just unprecedented. And so
Speaker 3: therefore I feel like our best player is the best
Speaker 3: player at college.
Speaker 2: Basketb Okay, let's say you're coaching Cooper Flag, yep, and
Speaker 2: you want him to come back for another year, but
Speaker 2: you want him to realize he wants to come back
Speaker 2: for another year, not you selfishly as a coach. How
Speaker 2: would you go about trying to convince Cooper Flag stay
Speaker 2: one more year?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I would only try to convince
Speaker 3: him to do it if I truly felt like it
Speaker 3: was in his best interests, not just in mind.
Speaker 2: And now you have seen the Washington Wizard's roster, Bruce, yes.
Speaker 3: I have. Here's the one factor that I would ask
Speaker 3: to consider him to consider Dan. You know this because
Speaker 3: you've been doing this a long time. It's not how
Speaker 3: much you make, it's how long you can make it.
Speaker 3: That's the truth. And so the question for Cooper Flag
Speaker 3: would be what's the best position for you to be
Speaker 3: in for your second and your third contract, And if
Speaker 3: there can be any discussion about the fact that at
Speaker 3: eighteen or nineteen, when you are in position at age
Speaker 3: twenty one, maybe to have to sign that second big contract.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a difference between being rich and being wealthy.
Speaker 3: People that are wealthy have made it for a long time,
Speaker 3: and so that's the only thing I would look at
Speaker 3: as far as what might be in his best interest
Speaker 3: is would waiting another year put him in a better
Speaker 3: position to sign that second and third contract that takes
Speaker 3: him from being rich to wealthy. He's only eighteen, that's right, crazy, crazy,
Speaker 3: that would be the only factor we're talking to.
Speaker 2: Bruce Pearl, Auburn head coach. SEC Conference tournament starts on Friday.
Speaker 2: We've talked about a variety of things. The NBA has,
Speaker 2: you know, face of the NBA. Could we get the
Speaker 2: non North America basketball players to play against the US
Speaker 2: based players in the All Star Game? Like where do
Speaker 2: you see?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: The globalization of basketball is the future in Europe and
Speaker 2: other countries more so than it is in the United States.
Speaker 2: If you consider I could probably give you seven or
Speaker 2: eight of the top ten players in the game and
Speaker 2: they're not from the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game. I think the game is in great shape, Dan,
Speaker 3: in the sense that worldwide it's a really, really popular
Speaker 3: And you're right, some of these international players, European players
Speaker 3: are playing the game better than our guys have. One
Speaker 3: of the factors has been just a skill level that
Speaker 3: they are brought up through a training program that isn't
Speaker 3: like high school, AAU college, so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: At the same time, your interest in our game and
Speaker 3: the college game has never been better. Like the numbers
Speaker 3: that we're pulling for the best. This is a tremendous
Speaker 3: regular season in college basketball, just even just the SEC.
Speaker 3: How many ranked teams against ranked teams and then how
Speaker 3: many of those games delivered like the last two Saturdays
Speaker 3: in the SEC Alabama Tennessee overtime, Auburn Alabama overtime, and
Speaker 3: the ratings are really good. I don't know. I read
Speaker 3: a little bit about what's going on with the NBA
Speaker 3: and what, but I couldn't tell you why some of
Speaker 3: those numbers are down. But our numbers have never been stronger.
Speaker 2: But the talent level, I mean they're young, they're you know,
Speaker 2: these guys, I mean jokers, what thirty or somewhere around there.
Speaker 2: But if you put in Giannis, you put in Embid,
Speaker 2: and you put in Luca Shay Gilgis, you know from Canada,
Speaker 2: and maybe we go back to the dream team that
Speaker 2: the Dream Team in ninety two sort of you know,
Speaker 2: birth this, they spawned all of this. I'm just curious,
Speaker 2: does US basketball try to model itself after, you know,
Speaker 2: instead of this AAU and we've seen that basketball it
Speaker 2: can be pretty ugly, talented but ugly. Feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: what Europe is doing in other countries is they get
Speaker 2: you into a system, learn how to handle the ball,
Speaker 2: learn you know, the fundamental be a big guy, handle
Speaker 2: the ball on the perimeter. Like all of these things.
Speaker 2: Feels like the US is missing out on that opportunity.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there are people that are in the
Speaker 3: professional basketball, in world basketball that are studying this very
Speaker 3: factor right now. They're absolutely looking at it. You know.
Speaker 3: The the best explanation I can have for it is
Speaker 3: the age that they have these European kids starting to
Speaker 3: train the specialization into you know, the one particular sport.
Speaker 3: They don't have the same you know, rules as far
Speaker 3: as how many hours you can or can't train, whether
Speaker 3: you're a high school player and you can only practice
Speaker 3: a certain amount of time, and certainly in college so
Speaker 3: and so forth. You know. I think the other thing too,
Speaker 3: that the skill level right now is what is dominating
Speaker 3: our sport in the sense that the men are so
Speaker 3: big and they're so strong, and they're so athletic that
Speaker 3: now we're putting five guys out there on a perimeter
Speaker 3: of the three point line and spreading the floor just
Speaker 3: so that we have some space to be able to
Speaker 3: drive down the lane and make place because nobody, hardly
Speaker 3: anybody is putting a post player on the inside because
Speaker 3: there's there's just no room for them. So side sometimes
Speaker 3: in some ways, the size and the athleticism of the
Speaker 3: American player that may have been a dominanting force uh
Speaker 3: in basketball is now no longer as as as as
Speaker 3: an important a cog as the ability to spread the
Speaker 3: floor and have the skills to be able to shoot
Speaker 3: and handle, which is more akin to the European player.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what would you do with Shack if he
Speaker 2: was your center?
Speaker 3: Oh? I find a way, I have. I am Jani
Speaker 3: broom right now, and and and and we're gonna find
Speaker 3: ways to get him inside and and and and and
Speaker 3: and and and run our offense accordingly. So oh no, no,
Speaker 3: you give me Shack. His big ass is good on
Speaker 3: the block, and good luck. The only way you're gonna
Speaker 3: stop him is to hackershack him.
Speaker 2: Who's the best player you recruited didn't get? But the
Speaker 2: best player you you recruited?
Speaker 3: Wow? Well, you know It's interesting. Aj Devansta was somebody
Speaker 3: that the kid that's young man is going to b yu. Uh.
Speaker 3: He grew up in Boston and actually grew up in Brockton,
Speaker 3: which is really a town I'll side of where I
Speaker 3: grew up, and we got in early on him and
Speaker 3: and UH guy he's got a great family and and
Speaker 3: he he was one of the highest rated players I
Speaker 3: think I've ever you know, not not gotten. Uh. Anthony
Speaker 3: Edwards maybe in Atlanta would have been another one that
Speaker 3: that you know, that we worked on but didn't get there. There.
Speaker 3: There's probably a long list of kids I finished second on,
Speaker 3: but those are two probably pretty big names.
Speaker 2: Tom Izzo said, Chris Weber made him cry because he
Speaker 2: thought he was getting Chris Webber and then you lose
Speaker 2: him to Michigan. That's painful.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, it's that. That definitely is. I
Speaker 3: remember when Tom was an assistant for Judd Heathcote and
Speaker 3: they were playing Old Jennison field House, and so I
Speaker 3: don't know that Michigan State's program was in position when
Speaker 3: Chris Weber was coming out out of Country Day High
Speaker 3: School UH in Detroit to pick Michigan State over UH
Speaker 3: Michigan and Tom Izzo hadn't quite done what he done now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he still had the magic Johnson era.
Speaker 3: That's great, and that's about I don't want to speak
Speaker 3: to Michigan basketball history Michigan State basketball history, but the
Speaker 3: perception of Michigan's program at that time was much stronger
Speaker 3: than Michigan State.
Speaker 2: When where were you in your career when Burden Magic
Speaker 2: arrived on the scene in college basketball.
Speaker 3: I was just coming out of high school. I was
Speaker 3: just starting at Boston College for doctor Tom Davis, starting
Speaker 3: to be a manager and work in the industry.
Speaker 2: So you're a lifer. You're a lifer, aren't you.
Speaker 3: I was at BC in nineteen seventy eight, before the
Speaker 3: Big East was born. I saw Dave Gavitt get that
Speaker 3: thing started. Doctor Tom Davis in the job he did
Speaker 3: at Boston College goes way under the radar because of
Speaker 3: you know, Louis carnosecre and John Thompson, really mess Amino,
Speaker 3: you know, just Jim Beaheim and and Yukon and we
Speaker 3: were at BC kind of doing great in those early
Speaker 3: early years of the Big East. They almost took Holy Cross.
Speaker 3: Boston College had to write a fifty thousand dollar check
Speaker 3: in the Athletic director Bill Flint at the time wasn't
Speaker 3: sure that was gonna be a good enough investment. Had
Speaker 3: to get a donor named Bernie Plansky to write that check.
Speaker 3: Otherwise Holy Cross would have been in the Big East
Speaker 3: and now the CC not Boston College.
Speaker 2: Wow. Who do you get mistaken for in public?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Sometimes lou f Forrigno, like the incredible, incredible, the Green
Speaker 3: Monster that back when I was, when I was a
Speaker 3: little bigger, not anymore. Every now and then, Greg Brady
Speaker 3: remember Brady Bunching, We had the Afro, A little bit
Speaker 3: of that. Hey, hey, a really good day thirty forty
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Tom Jones, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if women start
Speaker 2: throwing their underwear at you at an Auburn game, like
Speaker 2: you know, Tom Jones in concert, I'm thinking a little
Speaker 2: bit of Jeff Garland from Curb your Enthusiasm, like Larry
Speaker 2: David's good buddy like that, like a smaller verb maybe
Speaker 2: just the face, uh, and and your voice you could
Speaker 2: be you know, Jeff Garland.
Speaker 3: I've gotten a lot, a lot great you know coaches,
Speaker 3: we do agent Doggie years.
Speaker 2: You know, are you okay? Coaching seems to be the
Speaker 2: fun easier part than the n I L. And the
Speaker 2: recruiting is that fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah, coaching, because coaching is still you know, teaching and
Speaker 3: and and and and developing and and and the gym
Speaker 3: and the ball and and uh look, I like n
Speaker 3: I L DAN because we're way overdue. Thank God for
Speaker 3: n I L, for you, for me, and and it
Speaker 3: would make this country great. And obviously the numbers that
Speaker 3: these kids are getting right now tells you how late
Speaker 3: the n C Double A was. Yeah, recognizing the value
Speaker 3: of these student athletes. Now, listen, there's no right now,
Speaker 3: there are no rules. There are no regulations. We gotta
Speaker 3: find so we gotta we go. If we're gonna have
Speaker 3: a national champion, then then we truly need to be
Speaker 3: playing more by the same rules. They play more by
Speaker 3: the same rules in Major League Baseball, the NFL and
Speaker 3: the NBA. Right now that we are on college and
Speaker 3: we are trying to figure it out, there needs to
Speaker 3: be bipartisan support in Washington, d C. To try to
Speaker 3: find a way to bring this great college system back
Speaker 3: while we're able to compensate the student athletes, you know,
Speaker 3: wait for what they're worth. But there's gotta be some guardrails.
Speaker 3: Senator Ted Cruz has got legislation right now. But you
Speaker 3: know how Washington d C is completely dysfunctional, and if
Speaker 3: the Republicans wanted, the Democrats WoT We got to find
Speaker 3: a way to bring it to be able to have
Speaker 3: the intercollegiate system what we do and still compensate our
Speaker 3: student athletes. And I think that's the best way of
Speaker 3: doing it. Right now, we're we're just putting band aids
Speaker 3: on it and we're all trying to navigate it.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Congrats on the success. Hopefully
Speaker 2: you don't run into a Jewish head coach of the
Speaker 2: rest of the season. But thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure, Dan, and thanks for not making me crying.
Speaker 2: All right this time that's Bruce Pearl Friday SEC Tournament.
Speaker 2: They will get underway. Opponent to be determined.
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Speaker 2: He's the Hall of Famer, three times Super Bowl champ
Speaker 2: of the Niners. Steve Young back on the program, Steve,
Speaker 2: we were wondering did you ever have a full time
Speaker 2: job aside from being a football player. When you got
Speaker 2: out of high school and you went to BYU, did
Speaker 2: you ever have a job like you know some of
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the rest of Americans, where maybe
Speaker 2: you wash dishes or something. So Todd, let me start
Speaker 2: with you. Steve Young. Did he have a job and
Speaker 2: what job was it?
Speaker 7: I think he did have a job, and it was
Speaker 7: some kind of power legal or something with a loan,
Speaker 7: something along.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on, I
Speaker 2: got to go round the room. Everybody gets a guest here.
Speaker 2: But you know, keep in mind, he grew up in Greenwich,
Speaker 2: Connecticut Street, Yeah street, the other side of the tracks
Speaker 2: in Greenwich. Okay. See, oh boy, Yeah, that really changes things,
Speaker 2: doesn't it. I think he has had a job. I
Speaker 2: think it was more like working at someone's store store. Okay, Marvin.
Speaker 7: The Great One worked at a car dealership, card dealership, Paul, you.
Speaker 2: Go real specific.
Speaker 8: When he's young, a caddie in Greenwich, and when he
Speaker 8: was in college, probably like an internship with a hedge
Speaker 8: fund or something.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say probably had a paper route. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that he worked I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: he worked for his father, Steve.
Speaker 9: All right, So uh, the young family had the famous
Speaker 9: paper on. I started it for years. That's when we
Speaker 9: were a little That doesn't really count, but I'm giving
Speaker 9: you the credit for it, because I got to tell
Speaker 9: you the story that my brother. The worst day of
Speaker 9: the paper oute was when you had to go collect
Speaker 9: the money and knock on the door and ask for
Speaker 9: the dollar thirty for the Granich times, you know, as
Speaker 9: a pain. And one day my brother told my mom
Speaker 9: I'm not doing it, and I'm not. She got so
Speaker 9: sick of it. And this is great like story when
Speaker 9: my mom punches my brother as hard.
Speaker 10: As it puts them back against the wall, and we
Speaker 10: laugh about it today that my mom, who is the
Speaker 10: greatest peacemaker of all time, who would never like her
Speaker 10: to flee, somehow got so enraged because my brother would
Speaker 10: not go collect for the Greenwich.
Speaker 9: Dunch she punched him. So anyway, I was in high
Speaker 9: school and in college, I worked all summers with landscape
Speaker 9: company Bucket Lands, her own man in Grantwich, Connecticut, and
Speaker 9: I ran a whole truck of guys and and a
Speaker 9: funny thing about Greenwich is you pull up to these
Speaker 9: big places, these biggest states, you know, to go cut
Speaker 9: their lawn and all the mom's like, I'm inside, the
Speaker 9: landscapers are here. We don't want to mix company.
Speaker 3: And I was like, uh, you know I was. It was.
Speaker 9: It was rough and tumble back then. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 9: was my job. The hedge fun thing is great. Yeah
Speaker 9: that works.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm gonna make you Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give you the opportunity for Pittsburgh and
Speaker 2: New York with maybe the possibility of the Vikings. What
Speaker 2: would you do.
Speaker 9: I'd sprint to the Vikings if possible. I'm you know
Speaker 9: why Sam would leave a place where he knows you're
Speaker 9: gonna thrive me because they had to. They told me
Speaker 9: what he did have a spot. But you've got to
Speaker 9: find Dan in today's game, you've got to find a
Speaker 9: place where someone has left Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay or
Speaker 9: Andy Reid and understands the new kind of run to
Speaker 9: the future that is necessary to be great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 9: And then you got to run to those teams. And
Speaker 9: that's what Sam found in San Francisco. Briefly as a
Speaker 9: backup and then as a starter in Minnesota. So I'd
Speaker 9: run McConnell's fast as any of them, because that's what
Speaker 9: you if you're gonna have, if you're gonna thrive in
Speaker 9: today's game, especially with what all that Aaron knows he was,
Speaker 9: he was born and raised in a more sophisticated era
Speaker 9: of the NFL. He can take advantage of him. That's
Speaker 9: why Tom Brady, I think we've talked about this before,
Speaker 9: towards the end of his career, ran into him in
Speaker 9: a Monday night game and I go, what's the difference
Speaker 9: between the old before the rule changes?
Speaker 3: And now?
Speaker 9: He goes, well, now the flats are always open, the
Speaker 9: middle of the field is unpatrolled, and no one can
Speaker 9: hit me. And so Aaron understands that, Like, that's why
Speaker 9: people can play in their forties, because we know we
Speaker 9: learned in a more sophisticated time. So get to a
Speaker 9: place that understands the future and go dominate, don't I look,
Speaker 9: if that's to me, that's an obvious one.
Speaker 3: If that's a.
Speaker 2: Chance, okay, but does Pittsburgh make sense for him if
Speaker 2: they want him?
Speaker 9: No, we had to go win some games, yeah, but
Speaker 9: they're not built. They don't. They have him not run
Speaker 9: to the future as far as the quarterback position. And
Speaker 9: those are the teams that are in the Super Bowl year.
Speaker 9: They're in the Championship game every year. Then they go
Speaker 9: deep in the playoffs. And so I would say, yeah,
Speaker 9: go on with your bad stuff. If you don't want
Speaker 9: to play, you know, you don't want to retire. I'm not.
Speaker 9: I'm not done. Look at playing playing Pittsburgh's amazing. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's you know, they're gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 9: They always do, and he can help me win more.
Speaker 9: But I just I think the way I see the
Speaker 9: game today, the way the NFL is built, you know,
Speaker 9: you got to you know New York Giants.
Speaker 2: No, No, okay, But are the Eagles in that same
Speaker 2: blueprint that you're talking about, because.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I look, I know you're trying to trick me
Speaker 9: here and try to catch me on my my little theory. Yes,
Speaker 9: because they have a quarterback that's still you know, is
Speaker 9: gonna threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They've got
Speaker 9: a unique way to run the football, just like the
Speaker 9: forty nine ers did. And I give them credit for that.
Speaker 9: But the idea that you're now gonna go win super
Speaker 9: Bowls by playing great defense in a running game is
Speaker 9: just not the way that it's gonna get done. You
Speaker 9: have a very dynamic quarterback position, which they do have,
Speaker 9: and I think that's where they are a team of
Speaker 9: the future in that way. They have a unique way
Speaker 9: to do with Saquon, which I give him as an anomaly.
Speaker 9: But you know the idea that today's game, you can
Speaker 9: throw together a number one defense and a great running
Speaker 9: game and go when the Super Bowl doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But if I gave you Saquon Barkley or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 9: These stupid bar fights like you know, yeah, I in
Speaker 9: today's game, Justin Jefferson with a great innovative offensive mind
Speaker 9: and and a quarterback that understands the position that can
Speaker 9: really thrive, those are the guys that go. So I'd
Speaker 9: go that way.
Speaker 2: Did you call it a stupid bar fight that, well,
Speaker 2: let's what is going on. This is what I do
Speaker 2: for a living.
Speaker 9: I know, but sometimes you just gotta you gotta admire
Speaker 9: and and just stand back and just say, look, people
Speaker 9: are great, and I don't want to have to pick
Speaker 9: you know, you know how hard it is to be
Speaker 9: great and then you want to pick between great like,
Speaker 9: I don't know's it's a bar fight.
Speaker 2: It's just a fun, philis fickal question. As a quarterback,
Speaker 2: who do you want the guy right behind me?
Speaker 9: Let's let's do more of it. Let's what can we
Speaker 9: talk about Mohammed Ali versus what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: You call it better quarterback? You were Montana.
Speaker 3: I didn't even have to.
Speaker 9: I was just sitting here going I always know listen.
Speaker 2: You made me do that.
Speaker 9: It's good.
Speaker 3: I was at a Tomam and Ali. I was trying
Speaker 3: to get you off. Traft.
Speaker 2: Do you get a Christmas card from Joe Montana's family? Uh?
Speaker 9: No, but I don't. I mean, look, don't try to.
Speaker 9: We never fought.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 9: We never had a fight, we never had a disagreement,
Speaker 9: we never.
Speaker 2: I just asked Hi about a Christmas card.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: No, I'm just trying to say I'm trying to get
Speaker 9: ahead of you now because I'm trying to get you off,
Speaker 9: but I'm trying to get ahead of you.
Speaker 2: Steve Young, the Hall of Famer joining us on the show.
Speaker 2: You are on record I think beginning of February where
Speaker 2: you talked about the Niners need to make or not
Speaker 2: make Maybe that sounds strong rock Party take advantage of
Speaker 2: his legs. He's not Jayden Daniels. But I think your
Speaker 2: quote was he could be eighty percent of Jayden daniel Right,
Speaker 2: you truly believe that.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 9: I think he's nifty rights. You saw him in the pocket.
Speaker 9: He move around, he can carry the football out of
Speaker 9: the huddle. Look, I don't want to go back over
Speaker 9: it again, but because the field has gotten bigger, essentially
Speaker 9: because of the rule changes, you can't launch your body
Speaker 9: at defenders can't patrol the field as well as they can.
Speaker 9: It's the game is quarterback position has to threaten the
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage every play. They don't need to go
Speaker 9: do it, but the threat needs to be there. It's
Speaker 9: too powerful and the players that the quarterbacks that are
Speaker 9: doing that every play are the ones that are thriving.
Speaker 9: And so for Brock, he can threaten the line of
Speaker 9: scrimmage essentially as fast or as stronger all the stuff
Speaker 9: that other guys do, but he can't do it. And
Speaker 9: I think you have to lead into it because if
Speaker 9: you don't threaten the line of scrimmage, all you're gonna
Speaker 9: do is be a processing a phenomenal processing quarterback, and
Speaker 9: every play is out of the huddle, and we're going
Speaker 9: to just complete lots of passes. Then you're gonna have
Speaker 9: to go the retail way, right, you have to go
Speaker 9: the long way. In today's game. There's shortcuts everywhere, and
Speaker 9: you got to take advantage of them. And and and
Speaker 9: so I think he can do more of that. And
Speaker 9: I think that and as they try to iterate. Look,
Speaker 9: when the world changes happen, there's three guys that ran
Speaker 9: in the future, Andy Reid, Kyle Shan and Sean McVay,
Speaker 9: and every coach that come out that's been thriving in
Speaker 9: the NFL's come from those guys, and they've all kind
Speaker 9: of they had a tactical advantage for six seven to
Speaker 9: eight years. That tactical advantage has gone. Now there's too
Speaker 9: many guys out there teaching the same thing. So there's
Speaker 9: got to be a new iteration of it, a new
Speaker 9: you know, a real you know, kind of reinvent yourself.
Speaker 9: And so for Kyle and Brock, to me, it's leaning
Speaker 9: into threatening the line of scrimmage with him carrying the football.
Speaker 9: I know that sounds scary to people, and that's how
Speaker 9: he gets hurt and all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 9: in today's game, you have to do it or if
Speaker 9: you're gonna be championship football.
Speaker 2: If you look at the amount of money that the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks make and they defer, you know, they restructure their deals,
Speaker 2: at what point do you think a quarterback should have
Speaker 2: a say in what is done with the money that
Speaker 2: they're freeing up like Mahomes Josh Allen yep? Should they
Speaker 2: be able to have input in free agency?
Speaker 9: Look, given enough time, in a million years, all sports
Speaker 9: leagues will be owned by the players, right because they're
Speaker 9: the ones that are on the field. They'll they'll be
Speaker 9: the equity owners. It's inevitable over a million years. It's
Speaker 9: just that football is going to be a really long time.
Speaker 9: But I think that in that sense, players, especially the
Speaker 9: ones that you've invested to be the you know, the
Speaker 9: pillars of your of your of your team, should be included.
Speaker 9: Should be included, those personnel conversations should be included in
Speaker 9: the draft. The biggest mistake and I told Aaron Rodd,
Speaker 9: I told Tom, I took pay I told anyone I
Speaker 9: could that the biggest mistake I made was not Look,
Speaker 9: I don't want to say that I did not wanted
Speaker 9: to do unnatural things and walk in and tell him
Speaker 9: you better draft that guy, or you better take care
Speaker 9: of me, or you better no. But I wish that
Speaker 9: I would have gone into them, into the room and
Speaker 9: and and how to say, and had the conversation and
Speaker 9: talk through it and try to make sure that we were,
Speaker 9: you know, as a as a quarterback, trying to advocate
Speaker 9: for what felt like we needed to try to take
Speaker 9: care of and I am. I encourage players to do
Speaker 9: it with the right spirit, with the right you know,
Speaker 9: the way to do it with tactically that's appropriate, that
Speaker 9: kind of thing. But but absolutely, Dan, if you're going
Speaker 9: to do a quarterback, you know, a team friendly deal
Speaker 9: over many many years, you better you got to tell
Speaker 9: me that you're going to be part of those conversations.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well.
Speaker 2: You can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers felt when he's
Speaker 2: watching the draft and they decided to take Jordan Love
Speaker 2: and they gave him a five minute.
Speaker 9: There's tough moments. I look, I'm not I'm not even
Speaker 9: trying to avoid that or like, oh, don't you know
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go and advocate you better not do I'm
Speaker 9: not talking about threatening what I'm trying to do is
Speaker 9: is build a partnership in personnel. Because what I what
Speaker 9: my experience was, and I'm sure it's still the same.
Speaker 9: We watched every player, every draft class come in the
Speaker 9: first OTA, and we as players were all look at
Speaker 9: the guys that they drafted and like, you know, he's
Speaker 9: pretty good or oh he sucks, you know right away,
Speaker 9: and like, as players, if we have that sense in
Speaker 9: fifteen minutes, I'm overstating it, but in a very short
Speaker 9: amount of time, why would we not be invited into
Speaker 9: at least give an opinion about what we see in
Speaker 9: a certain player, a certain thing. I can think of
Speaker 9: Gino Carmazi or I mean, like we had lots of
Speaker 9: draft guys at quarterback, Like what do you maybe let
Speaker 9: me work the guy out? Why wouldn't you have the
Speaker 9: quarterback Like that's to me, that's a big mistake that
Speaker 9: the league continues to make and not you know, kind
Speaker 9: of getting the opinion of the players that are on
Speaker 9: the field.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you saw of shod Or
Speaker 2: Sanders the past two seasons, but it feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: we get to this point of leading up to the
Speaker 2: draft and then you start to get opinions like we
Speaker 2: build you up and then we tear you down, And
Speaker 2: it certainly happens at that position. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how much of a role or factor in Deon Sanders
Speaker 2: with Shadoor Sanders or maybe teams are, you know, saying
Speaker 2: negative things so he'll slide a little bit, which I
Speaker 2: always find amazing that Wow, we're not going to take
Speaker 2: him now. They said, you know some bad things about him.
Speaker 2: What do you think of Shudoor Sanders as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 9: I feel like we better talk about Dion for a
Speaker 9: second because it's so much a part of the conversation.
Speaker 9: And I think I've I shared this with you, but
Speaker 9: if I haven't, I'll do it really quick. When he
Speaker 9: joined the forty nine Ers, he pulled me aside and said, Steve,
Speaker 9: I am the best teammate you'll ever have. I show
Speaker 9: up every day, I'm ready to practice, I'm ready to play.
Speaker 9: I'll always be there and I have your back. That's set.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 9: The rest of it is a parade that I want it.
Speaker 9: Just get some popcorn and enjoy because it's gonna be
Speaker 9: a good time, you know. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 9: So I take that and it's exactly who he was
Speaker 9: and who I think he is today. It's it's there's
Speaker 9: a parade and get your popcorn and enjoy the prein
Speaker 9: I think Shaudur is part of that, part of that
Speaker 9: same philosophy, right, It's like there's a prey to enjoy
Speaker 9: and the popcorn everything. But is he ready to play football?
Speaker 9: Is he going to do the hard work? Is he
Speaker 9: gonna be in the classroom studying and memorizing and getting
Speaker 9: ready to I think those are all things that his
Speaker 9: dad would say, Hey, buddy, you better, you better be
Speaker 9: ready to play ball. And so in that way, I'm
Speaker 9: not going to listen to the noise. I think that should.
Speaker 9: It's gonna be a The question is about the pure
Speaker 9: rock talent. It's not going to be about his work
Speaker 9: ethic as ability to you know, put the time into
Speaker 9: all that kind of stuff. I have no I have
Speaker 9: no worries about that.
Speaker 2: But you know, we used to say you had to
Speaker 2: be six four. You know, we're looking for that guy
Speaker 2: who's six four or sometype.
Speaker 9: The prototype Dan was in the pocket delivering the football.
Speaker 9: That was because the game was different. The game is
Speaker 9: now like if you how many teams are still in
Speaker 9: the past like it is now a time where the
Speaker 9: quarterback has to leave the huddle every day down with
Speaker 9: a threat to with to attack the line of scrimmage
Speaker 9: and make the defense worry. They're getting up free first
Speaker 9: downs and free touchdowns and every great quarterback today the
Speaker 9: prototype is a guy that can run around, throw it
Speaker 9: all over the field, but yet can still do the
Speaker 9: traditional job of sitting in the pocket delivering the football.
Speaker 9: That's the That's Matt Patrick, Mahomes, that's the guy. And
Speaker 9: Shador he definitely fits the prototype. It might not be
Speaker 9: size and weight exactly, but absolutely a prototype kind of player.
Speaker 2: To give me the guy, the guy who was successful
Speaker 2: as a quarterback where you go it didn't make sense,
Speaker 2: but he made it work. Like Drew Brees always amazed
Speaker 2: me because I go, yeah, how does he do this?
Speaker 2: And you know he was always had his head up.
Speaker 2: I mean he was always looking downfield, all around always.
Speaker 2: But is there somebody that you played with or against
Speaker 2: and you go, I don't know how he does it
Speaker 2: because it's just at his size, it's unique.
Speaker 9: Uh well, yeah, I mean when I when I met
Speaker 9: Russell Wilson and I was like, oh my gosh, that dude.
Speaker 9: I mean, I didn't realize how much taller I was.
Speaker 9: That made me feel good, like I was dominating here.
Speaker 9: But it's anyone. But I I admire people that are
Speaker 9: shorter that can play the game because you know, there
Speaker 9: is an element of you know, kind of visibility.
Speaker 2: But Drew Brees doesn't make sense because he's not fast,
Speaker 2: he's not quick.
Speaker 9: But but but but but he lived in it. He
Speaker 9: lived in an era where processing was the king. Okay,
Speaker 9: it was the only king. And and in today's game,
Speaker 9: processing is vital, but it's it doesn't It's not all
Speaker 9: you have to have. You have to have the ability
Speaker 9: to run around threat in the line of Scribage's what
Speaker 9: I'm trying to tell you is it's different if you
Speaker 9: talk about a you know, a player that stood in
Speaker 9: one place his whole career back in the prototype days,
Speaker 9: a previous prototype I don't know that that person would
Speaker 9: thrive in today's game. It's just that different.
Speaker 2: Would you be a Hall of Famer in today's game?
Speaker 9: This is Dan, Come on, this is my game. I
Speaker 9: mean I was an oddity back in the day. I
Speaker 9: was a guy that's like he's a scrambler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: Bill Walsh was the only one that I remember, and
Speaker 9: luckily I was close to him that looked at me
Speaker 9: in the eye and said, look, because you can run,
Speaker 9: you're going to be better. I believe it makes you
Speaker 9: more powerful, it makes you like the other one else
Speaker 9: was like, this is an oddity. Tie his legs up,
Speaker 9: you can't move. It's stupid. We don't need any it's
Speaker 9: crazy scrambling, crazy guy like I was. I was absolutely
Speaker 9: an adity in today's game. It is I am. I
Speaker 9: am the prototype, Dad, I am, I am ready to go.
Speaker 9: Just give me a call and I'll.
Speaker 2: Are you better than Lamar Jackson in today's game?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 9: No, still, okay, here we go. I can't help, but
Speaker 9: can you. It's like it's like you're drawing like a
Speaker 9: like a fly to the point.
Speaker 2: Why are you? You're fired up today?
Speaker 1: Like you met.
Speaker 2: We want to test you a little bit here. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 9: But I would say while we're on with Lamar, you know,
Speaker 9: he's one of my favorites, and I think he is
Speaker 9: absolute prototype and his his greatness is not still yet
Speaker 9: found because he hasn't found them to be great and
Speaker 9: needed lots of help innovative minds and offense today with
Speaker 9: lots of talent around you that can run all over
Speaker 9: the field, like they're getting closer. Baltimore finally capitulated a
Speaker 9: couple of years ago and said, Okay, we're in. We're
Speaker 9: gonna get out of the sophisticated running game. We're gonna come.
Speaker 9: We're commit. We're gonna get you some some some uh
Speaker 9: you know, offensive minds that are gonna help you thrive
Speaker 9: as a quarterback. And if and get some talent out
Speaker 9: of the wide receiver and really kind of down they're
Speaker 9: half what there's sixty percent of the way there of
Speaker 9: who Lamar Jackson could be.
Speaker 3: And if you want to.
Speaker 9: Compare, uh, he's if we raced, what my peak in
Speaker 9: his peak, he's quicker. There's no doubt. Man, he can
Speaker 9: make people miss. I can make people miss. Not like him.
Speaker 9: But if we raced, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I don't know, would have to do?
Speaker 2: You mean like a forty or one hundred?
Speaker 9: I think like a forty or even a thirty, you
Speaker 9: know what I mean, like ra like top end speed,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 9: We'll see. I was I was sneaky I was sneaky.
Speaker 9: I ran down a lot of interceptors, and then I
Speaker 9: cleaned up my mess. I have Tom look it up.
Speaker 9: No one ever I picked six was unheard.
Speaker 3: Of with me.
Speaker 9: Never Who would be think I was cleaning it up?
Speaker 9: But I could chase them down, and I dragged down.
Speaker 3: A lot of guins.
Speaker 2: Who would be better at delivering papers? It would be faster.
Speaker 2: You were, Lamar Jackson'd.
Speaker 9: Be tight Man'll be close a collection day.
Speaker 2: You had to be the doorm who knows you.
Speaker 9: Take people to the door. The kid can't find his mom,
Speaker 9: they don't have the money, and then they could get
Speaker 9: really fucked up.
Speaker 2: I hope I didn't set the tone for you your
Speaker 2: day or ruin your day, because you know it. Certainly
Speaker 2: this is therapy for me.
Speaker 3: Dad.
Speaker 9: Someone wants to talk football at my house, This is.
Speaker 2: Like, oh God, you're surrounded by women.
Speaker 9: I know, it's just uh, they love they love the
Speaker 9: game because they you know, it's like Taylor Swift said
Speaker 9: it was okay, So.
Speaker 3: They're like.
Speaker 2: Yes, Todd Steve Young during his NFL career, DoD no no.
Speaker 9: No, don't know what the number off and find out
Speaker 9: if there was a pick six?
Speaker 3: No, not doing that they have the number of pick sixes.
Speaker 2: I thought, we need, no, we need He brought it up.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: Eleven interceptions returned for touchdown? Wow?
Speaker 9: Wow, Wow, it's impossible. Wow, that is impossible.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 9: That's what scares me a little bit, Dan, is that
Speaker 9: when you live in your own little Idaho and you think,
Speaker 9: you know what this is, how great.
Speaker 2: You were great until you got on this over in
Speaker 2: the corner, he.
Speaker 9: Just wants to just, you know, tear you downptions Todd,
Speaker 9: can you see how many Montana through pick six?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: We gotta go, We have to go. Thank you, buddy.
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Speaker 2: the man cave. Of course, the first thing, Fritzie says,
Speaker 2: is are there any sides? Do we have potatoes? Do
Speaker 2: we have carrots? Do we have dessert? Soda bread? Yes?
Speaker 8: It's nice yes, because when you earlier, when you said
Speaker 8: who has a better readrift to say today we're having
Speaker 8: corn beef.
Speaker 3: But I was waiting for the list.
Speaker 2: There's usually like a list, and it was just you
Speaker 2: kind of stopped at corn beef.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, corn beef and corn beer?
Speaker 2: Is that not good enough for you?
Speaker 3: That's fantastic. The soda bread, I wasn't aware after that counts?
Speaker 2: Yes? JD in Utah? Hi, JD? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 3: My mom? Let's switch you to my Can you hear me? JD?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Did I interrupt anything?
Speaker 3: I'll just work well.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's guess where JD works?
Speaker 3: Todd some kind of factory.
Speaker 7: He said something like, can we switch it to I
Speaker 7: don't know if he's doing something with electronics?
Speaker 2: Okay, seatan. Where's JD work in Utah? In Utah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think h an office building? He does it? Okay.
Speaker 2: Marvin sells insurance, Paul Mechanic, I'm gonna say nursery.
Speaker 3: Nobody quite nailed that. I'm a carpenter.
Speaker 2: Okay, nailed it. Yeah, I saw right through that. That's
Speaker 2: why you're the ruler. Would you like to be me?
Speaker 9: This is wild?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I see what you're getting Sacramento every morning.
Speaker 2: That's what you're going to be getting.
Speaker 3: But great, j D.
Speaker 2: What can I do for you? So we've got a
Speaker 2: baby girl coming in July. Okay, sorry, congratulations, congratulates importing.
Speaker 3: The call too.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we've got a baby girl coming in July.
Speaker 2: We are thinking about naming her Miller. And you've given.
Speaker 3: Advice to people in the past that you should give
Speaker 3: a gift, and I was just kind of wondering what
Speaker 3: type of gifts and like when do you give it?
Speaker 3: Like do you give it right after it's.
Speaker 2: All to your wife? Yes? Okay, yes, Todd, I'd say
Speaker 2: a six pack of beer.
Speaker 3: If you're calling the kid Miller, what else would you
Speaker 3: do it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully she's light. I'm killing it today. God, I
Speaker 2: am dominating today. I am dominating. Hopefully she has a
Speaker 2: good head on her shoulders killing it killy? All right? Uh,
Speaker 2: so when do you give a gift to your wife?
Speaker 2: I would say, give it to her when she comes home,
Speaker 2: because she might be if she has an epidural, she
Speaker 2: might not be like all there, you know, going through childbirth.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine, having been there four times and
Speaker 2: I nearly passed out one time. I'd say, wait until
Speaker 2: you get home. I don't know what the gift's going
Speaker 2: to be. I don't know how you know heavy you
Speaker 2: want to go in? Did you guys do like a
Speaker 2: month's salary? Is that still what you do for engagement rings?
Speaker 2: Is it is a two times or three times a
Speaker 2: monthly salary or something silly like that, pauling.
Speaker 8: Mine was my life savings at the time. I was
Speaker 8: down to one hundred and fifty bucks after the bye.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I don't I ever got caught up in
Speaker 2: the cost of it. I just found the ring that
Speaker 2: I wanted to give my wife. I thought that that
Speaker 2: and she was fine with that. Yes, seton, I got
Speaker 2: a family ring. Oh yeah, her family ring. That's good. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'd love to give you your mom's ring or your
Speaker 2: grandmother's ring. He's like, hey, if we're doing this, this
Speaker 2: is my ring, right, I'm like heck, yeah, yeah, sweet yes,
Speaker 2: ton Yeah.
Speaker 3: We walked out like that too.
Speaker 7: This was like some kind of family heirloom that gets
Speaker 7: passed down, so we didn't have to spend all tons
Speaker 7: of money.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: Doug Whaley, former GM with the Buffalo Bills, was on
Speaker 2: ninety three point seven The Fan in Pittsburgh and had
Speaker 2: this to say about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: If I'm Omar Kahn and I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, one
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be surprised, and two you have to sit
Speaker 4: down and really think about do we want to sign
Speaker 4: up for this? Because he's set in the table in
Speaker 4: the president early it's all about Aaron Rodgers and it
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's going
Speaker 4: to hold the whole franchise hostage on waiting for him
Speaker 4: to make a decision. But that's par for the course
Speaker 4: when you deal with a.
Speaker 3: Guy like Aaron Rodgers. So you have to make sure
Speaker 3: you really.
Speaker 4: Want this not only in your locker room, but to
Speaker 4: be the face of your franchise. It's not going to
Speaker 4: be the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. It's gonna be Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers, all right.
Speaker 2: Doug Whalley, former Bill's general manager, on ninety three seven
Speaker 2: the fan in Pittsburgh. We bring in Mike Tannenbaud, former
Speaker 2: general manager in the NFL. Let's follow up with that, Mike,
Speaker 2: how is Aaron Rodgers supposedly holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 7: Well, if you're the Steelers, you just traded for DK Metcalf, Dan,
Speaker 7: you give him thirty million dollars a year and a
Speaker 7: second round pick, and your plan is not to throw
Speaker 7: the ball from Mason Rudolph to George Pickens and Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 7: I'm sure they're sitting there thinking like, it's not ideal,
Speaker 7: But if we go with Russell Wilson, we'll go with
Speaker 7: Russell Wilson. But Aaron Rodgers gives us a chance to
Speaker 7: get to where we want to go. Last year, Dan,
Speaker 7: they averaged fourteen points per game over their last five games.
Speaker 2: Okay, but how does Minnesota factor into all of this?
Speaker 2: And is it Minnesota who's holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 7: I think that's right, and that's astounding to me. First
Speaker 7: of all, you and I have been around the spot
Speaker 7: a long time. Can you ever remember a team losing
Speaker 7: three quarterbacks in the period of ten days? And Nick Mullins,
Speaker 7: Angel Jones and Sam Darnold Kevin O'Connell must be, you know,
Speaker 7: the modern day quarterback whisper. It's really remarkable. I think
Speaker 7: it's different though, in terms of bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7: If you and I were running the Vikings, it all
Speaker 7: would be about what's the best situation for JJ McCarthy
Speaker 7: and I don't understand how Aaron Rodgers fits that bill.
Speaker 2: But if you're the Steelers, why don't you just say
Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers, we need a decision by today, like
Speaker 2: we have to move on here. We want you, but
Speaker 2: I need to know how much you want us. And
Speaker 2: maybe he's telling the Steelers I don't. I may want you,
Speaker 2: but I really want that Minnesota situation better than this
Speaker 2: or you know, it's a better opportunity, a higher ceiling there.
Speaker 7: Dan, look like you don't have to be hypothetical. That's
Speaker 7: what's happening right now, because why else would Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 7: be waiting? And I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Take you into Omar con gm the Steelers. Look, Aaron,
Speaker 7: we are signing Russell Wilson today, Like you don't have
Speaker 7: to worry about reading about it, hearing about from your agent.
Speaker 9: I am giving you the answers to the test.
Speaker 7: If you do not sign by close of business today,
Speaker 7: you will be reading that Russell Wilson as a Steeler
Speaker 7: and you're either going to be backing up JJ McCarthy
Speaker 7: or you're going to be in met life. And let
Speaker 7: me ask you a question, Aaron, what was the last
Speaker 7: time there was a Giant quarterback since Eli Manning? That
Speaker 7: went to the Giants and it worked out well. So
Speaker 7: the decision is happening today. We love you, we want you,
Speaker 7: but we have to run our team in our best interests,
Speaker 7: and we're giving you all the information.
Speaker 2: Mike Tannebaum you can see him on Get Up, a
Speaker 2: variety of programs, NFL Live and Sports Center. What are
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns doing?
Speaker 7: I think for them it's a little bit different. I
Speaker 7: think that's a little bit more about stability. Look, Jamis Winston,
Speaker 7: you know was, look, let's be gracious here, inconsistent last year.
Speaker 7: I think for them they need optionality. If we were
Speaker 7: speaking three weeks ago, I think talking to people around
Speaker 7: the league, I think Tennessee was going to consider moving
Speaker 7: on from cam Wood.
Speaker 3: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 7: You know, they went out and they signed Dan Moore,
Speaker 7: they moved Latham to the right side, they signed Zeitler.
Speaker 7: Everything they're doing says they're taking cam Ward. So for
Speaker 7: the Browns, Russell Wilson at least gives us a step
Speaker 7: up from a consistency standpoint over to Jameis Winston. It's
Speaker 7: a consequential year for Andrew Barry, Kevin Stefanski so like
Speaker 7: to be They're just looking for stability, and that's what
Speaker 7: Russell Wilson brings.
Speaker 2: Okay, But would you rather have Kirk Cousins or Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson If you're the Browns.
Speaker 9: One hundred percent, it's Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7: If we go back to Minnesota where Kirk Cousins had
Speaker 7: a ton of success for a lot of those years,
Speaker 7: Kevin Stefanski was the offensive coordinator right now, you know,
Speaker 7: the Atlanta Falcons have told Kirk Cousins and his agent repeatedly,
Speaker 7: you're not going anywhere on Sunday. He has a ten
Speaker 7: million dollar Robster Moons that becomes guaranteed. It's next year,
Speaker 7: but it becomes fully guaranteed. I'm just telling you, like
Speaker 7: Dan bringing it inside a franchise, if a player doesn't
Speaker 7: want to be there, like you don't want him there
Speaker 7: like everything is about Michael Pennis in Atlanta. And if
Speaker 7: kirk Cousins is saying that I don't want to be
Speaker 7: there and I'm not going to be in the offseason program,
Speaker 7: I'm going to show up late, be the first one
Speaker 7: to leave, Like go out and get a Drew Locke
Speaker 7: or Jacoby Brissett as a backup and cut your losses.
Speaker 7: You know, we've seen great franchises like the Rams pay
Speaker 7: you know, Jared Goff over one hundred million.
Speaker 3: Dollars to move on.
Speaker 7: We've seen the Eagles pay Jared went excuse me, Carson
Speaker 7: Wentz over one hundred million dollars and move on. And
Speaker 7: I think you show me a franchise with good mental toughness,
Speaker 7: I'll show you a good franchise. And that's what Atlanta
Speaker 7: needs to do with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Which situation do you like better? Quarterbacking wise, the Raiders
Speaker 2: with Gino or the Seahawks with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm very treated by Sattle and Sam Donald. I
Speaker 7: think first of all, that was masterclass GMing to get
Speaker 7: seven years younger, less expensive at a third round pick.
Speaker 7: Do I think Gino Smith arguably may be a little
Speaker 7: bit better than Sam Donald possibly, but I think Smith
Speaker 7: and Jigba if he was on the East Coast, we'd
Speaker 7: be talking about an emerging star at receiver. Clearly they're
Speaker 7: gonna have to add another piece or two there. Offensive
Speaker 7: line has to get a little bit better. But I
Speaker 7: the fact that Clint Kobe act their new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 7: no Sam Darling from their San Francisco days, I think
Speaker 7: is meaningful.
Speaker 2: We had Steve Young on yesterday and he said that
Speaker 2: there's some organizations that are stuck in the stone Age.
Speaker 2: I'm going to paraphrase that unless you're part of the
Speaker 2: Sean McVay Tree, Kyle Shanahan Tree, Andy Reid Tree, then
Speaker 2: you're in the stone age. Is when it comes to offense.
Speaker 2: Those guys understand what the what is the future in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and certainly at the quarterbacking position. Your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that, I think, you know.
Speaker 7: That is somewhat true. You know, it's interesting going through
Speaker 7: this jet Head coaching search. We talked to a lot
Speaker 7: of people, learned a lot and some of the feedback
Speaker 7: we got from the defensive coaches was fascinating. And the
Speaker 7: trend in the league is, you know, looking at Schiff's
Speaker 7: motion all the prestat movement it does put you know,
Speaker 7: logically as you would think, it puts pressure on the
Speaker 7: opposing team's defense, like when the picture is static, which
Speaker 7: some classic quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, they
Speaker 7: want the picture to be static. They want to collect information.
Speaker 7: But the more you talk to defensive coaches around the league,
Speaker 7: all those things that teams do, it just puts pressure.
Speaker 7: Like Dan, you're a former athlete, like when you have
Speaker 7: to think, you're not playing as fast as when you're
Speaker 7: just reacting. So I think there is something to it
Speaker 7: now to shift in motion, just to shift in motion,
Speaker 7: you know, like that doesn't really accomplish things. But I
Speaker 7: generally agree with Steve. I think the other thing too,
Speaker 7: is it's not a one size fits all approach. If
Speaker 7: you have a backup player in who's making one twentieth
Speaker 7: of a starter, which happens a lot in our system
Speaker 7: because of the salary cap, you have to plan accordingly.
Speaker 7: If your backup tackles in, you have to chip, you
Speaker 7: have to slide protections. You can't put the backup left
Speaker 7: tackle on the same island that you can, you know,
Speaker 7: Trent Williams or fill in whatever blank, and I think
Speaker 7: some coordinators understand that concept better than others.
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this, if you ran the Titans,
Speaker 2: if you were the GM, what are you doing at
Speaker 2: the top of the draft?
Speaker 7: Cam Ward, cam Ward and cam Ward. I think the
Speaker 7: most impressive part about the combine, Dan, was what the
Speaker 7: Miami University of Miami offensive lineman and teammates said about
Speaker 7: cam Ward. I'm a big believer in life is who
Speaker 7: you really are, is how you treat people that can't
Speaker 7: help you. Kim Ward was a selfless leader. He has
Speaker 7: what it takes. I think his intangibles are off the
Speaker 7: charts and they shouldn't answer the phone if someone calls him.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Have a good weekend. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: Mike Tannenbaum, former general manager with two teams in the
Speaker 2: NFL and pretty high praise there with cam Ward going
Speaker 2: number one overall. Just saw this that Diana Rossini of
Speaker 2: the Scoop City podcast and the Athletics said, nobody with
Speaker 2: the Steelers believes Aaron Rodgers camp that the quarterback has
Speaker 2: chosen or going to choose them. ESPN's Kevin Seaffert reported Wednesday,
Speaker 2: the Vikings have quote at least been entertaining the possibility
Speaker 2: internally of signing Rogers. Ian Rapaport of NFL Network said
Speaker 2: the Giants have essentially told Rogers that they want him
Speaker 2: to be their starting quarterback. Jerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Post Gazette noted the Steelers have extended and offered to Rogers,
Speaker 2: and they're just waiting for him. The Giants, according to
Speaker 2: Diana Rossini, are believed to have made the largest contract
Speaker 2: offer to Rogers. I don't know what any of this means,
Speaker 2: because we're talking about Aaron Rodgers