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Speaker 1: Turbin in the backfield with Wilson, who goes out of

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Speaker 1: He's all the way down to the Chargers twenty one

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Speaker 1: yard line, a thirty two yard pickup. Now, here's your host.

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty eight champion Robert Turbin was up. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Isha boy, Robert Turbin eight k eight Turbo Here for

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Speaker 1: the first episode of the twenty twenty two season of

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Stories, we got a special guest, one of the

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Speaker 1: most special people in the whole state of Washington, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the whole state. Boy've been a round. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: introduce him first, and then we're gonna play a highlight

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Speaker 1: for well Tom Collins and the Red Scams after own

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Speaker 1: forty six yard line. He's gonna go out of the shot.

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Speaker 1: Guy Porters beside him in the backfield. Four receivers, Collins

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Speaker 1: look steep, he throws down the here side, gets over

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Speaker 1: corner to accepted by two fun two funds got it

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Speaker 1: at the thirty thirty five forty forty five minute fields

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Speaker 1: down the side. He's gonna go down the fie. Marcus

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Speaker 1: True Far the one and no league. True. You heard

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Speaker 1: the name? What's going on? Big dogs? Turbo Turbo? My god,

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Speaker 1: what's good man? What's good man? I'm living a dream.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. Now I'll get to be in studio

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Speaker 1: with the man, the myth, the legend, Marcus True fund Man,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. It's a it's a real blessing

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Speaker 1: and an honor to have you on, y'all. True was

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Speaker 1: one of the many ments hours that I had coming

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Speaker 1: was still trying to ride A good price, can't you

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Speaker 1: good price? Turbo? I didn't do you do? Hey? He

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Speaker 1: hook me a real nice y'all. I ain't gonna lie,

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Speaker 1: you know, sold me the range had the chrome wims

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Speaker 1: start peeling after a while. I ain't know. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I can't um. You can lead a horse to water, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The chrome was clean, though

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Speaker 1: it was clean. They was clean. But in due time

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Speaker 1: everything tarnishes, right man. Man, it's a it's a it's

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Speaker 1: an honor to have you true man to hotlight one

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Speaker 1: of your many interceptions twenty one over the course of

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Speaker 1: your career. Do you remember your first one? I do

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Speaker 1: remember one of my first interceptions. I wasn't so much

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Speaker 1: the last she guy a guy that's gonna talk trash

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Speaker 1: smacked a little bit, Dad, and my ear patch came

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Speaker 1: but lots of great memories. Man. You talk about being young. True,

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Speaker 1: many fights because I didn't talk right, yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 1: So if you turn your head and you're not paying attention, Wow,

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Speaker 1: just like that man you met you earlier, you had

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Speaker 1: and represent the hometown. Man, what did that mean to

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Speaker 1: That was big and just me and my family that

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Speaker 1: what do you think goes into the success of you know,

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00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: having a head man and then the team being able

427
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: to you know, follow that direction to become successful. I

428
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: know it's not for everybody, but I'm a firm believer

429
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: in the positivity, right and Pete is a positive dude

430
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: all the way around. Not to say that he's not

431
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: realistic or he doesn't hold his players or his staff accountable,

432
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: but the positivity and how he approaches life, I think

433
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: it's a big thing, man. And when you can get

434
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: everybody to buy in. And when I say everybody, I

435
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: mean I mean everybody. As you know, we're up here

436
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: on the third floor, and you can get everybody in

437
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: the third floor in the media, if you could get

438
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: all the cooks and the chefs and the security, everybody

439
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 1: buying in because they can feel the energy, they can

440
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: see the energy, and they know it's authentic, right and

441
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: they feel like that if they put their best foot forward,

442
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: then they get it. Opportunity and Pete always talks about

443
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: the competition, and I think I think guys really buy

444
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: into it, man, and it's not raw. Ra is really

445
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: just about creating a positive work environment, man, And it's

446
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: not like that in a lot of places. My last year,

447
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: I went to a team down in Florida. I guess

448
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: I'll keep it vague, right, I was following one of

449
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: the coaches to go down there to play men, and

450
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the energy was not the same. Man. And I know

451
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: we're spoiled well over here in the water and we're

452
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: doing stuff. The facilities are beautiful, but you go certain

453
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: places and it's not the same. So the Pete Carroll

454
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: Way in the peak Carroll energy is good for young teams.

455
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: It can be good for old teams because it's a

456
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: positive work environment. And that's even that's even in a

457
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: down year, what you call a losing year. Right, You

458
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: work through these things, but you do it with positivity. Man.

459
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: You encourage people and they usually react to that. All right,

460
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: let's go back, Okay, let's go back. Because you only

461
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: play football growing up. Was an athlete, all right, what

462
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: they call an athlete, okay, with a capital A play

463
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: some varsity football. Obviously ran track. I don't know what

464
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: you was running in a hunted you know what, man,

465
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't so much a hundred dude, Man, I ran

466
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: the hundred. But I was like, track was my sport

467
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: that if I could say that, I ever didn't prepare

468
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: like I was supposed to. Was track, right, I thought,

469
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: well not thought. I was just a natural ad running

470
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: and jumping and all that kind of stuff. I could

471
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: do that. And after you play basketball, football, man, that

472
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: track season come around. You kind of like, man, I'm

473
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: ready to shut it down. Man, this girl's out here. Man,

474
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: I want to chill. Man the suns out a little bit, right,

475
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: So I would just kind of chill that practice. But

476
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: the hundred really wasn't my thing. I would do the relay,

477
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: and I would do jumps. I would do triple jump,

478
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: I do long jump and high jump. Okay, okay. And

479
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention that you hoop too, you know,

480
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: super six man baby six yes, sir? Okay Jamal Crawford

481
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: one point though, because he was doing a six man before. Okay,

482
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: all right, because I was gonna say, I kind of

483
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: a you know, poissy was averaging. I don't look at

484
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: the points, baby, just look at the contribution. I was

485
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: a drive, okay, thish guy. Man. I played full court press.

486
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: Of course, I was a defensive guy. I didn't score

487
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: a lot of points. But I was a point guard.

488
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: But I was a pass first type of guy. Okay,

489
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: gotta gotta love a facilitator. Facilitator. Yes, uh he was

490
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: named All State my ap your senior year, when did

491
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, like, what was the deciding factor for you

492
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: that football was ultimately the direction you want to take

493
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: your life and career. Well, since we're going back turbot,

494
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: my senior year didn't have a bunch of offers, bro

495
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: I played in the Pac ten at the time. The

496
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: Washington States offer was the only offer I had in

497
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: the Pac ten. Our school up the road, the University

498
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: of Washington. They called me. It was like true, sorry,

499
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: we'll filled up at your position, right, So that's always

500
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: stuck with me. That's why, Like I root for the Huskies,

501
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: but I don't root for the Huskies, right So yeah.

502
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: But to take it back, man, I played offense. I

503
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: was a two way guy, right, so I thought I

504
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: was gonna be this little scat back. I was gonna

505
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: be able to do my thing. I think I was

506
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: second in the state in Russian behind m Paul Arnold.

507
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: The shout out to Paul Arnold that played at you

508
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: dub So yeah, man and didn't get a lot of

509
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: big time offers, got some smaller time offers, maybe to

510
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: go down to the swack and play running back and

511
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: do some stuff like that. But the Coogs called, Man,

512
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: I got offer, so I was like, I'm gonna take that.

513
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: And I never really even thought about the league, like

514
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: in high school or college until like the very end.

515
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: Man I was just out there playing football. I was

516
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: enjoying the experience of college, and then in high school

517
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: I was enjoying the same thing because our teams were

518
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: usually pretty good. Our basketball team went to State, our

519
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: football team went to State. So just being in the

520
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: moment was what I was doing. I didn't really have

521
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: my heads in the clouds. There was no social media there,

522
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: so I wasn't like, Okay, I'm seeing all this stuff

523
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: go down on the regular basis. I gotta make it

524
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: to the league. I gotta do all this stuff. Didn't

525
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: come up in a rough upbringing. I had both parents,

526
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: so I was a pretty happy kid. Man I didn't

527
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: of course, I loved sports and I loved football, but

528
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: to be like I gotta go to the league or

529
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: that's it, I really didn't have that mentality yet. Man,

530
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I was just enjoying the moment. So you go through college,

531
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: go Coogs. You have a great college career. Talk about

532
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: that experience just for a little bit man, just coming

533
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: in as a true freshman and going through that process

534
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: of you know, getting acclimated right to you know, just

535
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere of being in college. Right. Yeah, the

536
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the Washington State experience is an experience in itself. If

537
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: you've never been to Pullman, you really can't understand poem

538
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: and if somebody just tells you about it. Though. Right,

539
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: it's grown, but there's still the wheat fields. There's still

540
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: not much out there. There's I think there's a couple

541
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: of grocery stores now, but back when I was there,

542
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: there was just like one grocery store. There wasn't even

543
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: know barbershops there. Bro oh wow. So the scholarships, of course,

544
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: they take care of your schooling and all that stuff,

545
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: but you need like some little cash, and I guess

546
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: some little throw made money. So I became the town barber.

547
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: I was cutting in the dorms, I was cutting my apartment.

548
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: I was giving people faith, just knocking on There's people

549
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: knocking at my door all our of the night to

550
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: try to get these hair cords and I think I

551
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: was charging maybe ten bucks or something at the time,

552
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know better. Yeah, yeah, but deployment experience for

553
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: me was perfect. Man. I was far enough from my

554
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: family that moms really couldn't be in all my business

555
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: because it's a five hour drive, right, But I was

556
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: close enough to be able to come home for the

557
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: holidays and do all that kind of stuff. My parents

558
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: would come to the games and support and they've always

559
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: been a big supporter of me and all my brothers

560
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: of everything be done. And yeah, so going over to

561
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Washington State man and just learning how to be on

562
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: my own, to become a man, to plan out a

563
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: true freshman. I believe I burned my red shirt third

564
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: game or so and didn't even really know what I

565
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: was doing. In the middle of the game, just the coach,

566
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Craig Bray asked me, true, did you want to go in?

567
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: And I was like sure. I think we was getting

568
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: beat in the teams in my early years of Washington State,

569
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: they weren't very good. Maybe came off of the three

570
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: win season before I got there, didn't win a very

571
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: many games the next year, but my sophomore year there

572
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: were some young cats that came in, and we was

573
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: all kind kind of in that same boat of being

574
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: then underdog, didn't have very many scholarship offers, was kind

575
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: of overlooked and stuff like that. And that's how a

576
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: lot of people get to Washington State, or at least

577
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: at the time, they were to overlooked players from Calie

578
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and the Juco players that would

579
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: come in. But we had this group of guys that

580
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: were underdogs that were overlooked. But there was ballers Man,

581
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: and we put it together and we started to put

582
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: this thing together man and started to have a lot

583
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: of success. But I grew up in Pullman Man. I

584
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: became a man out there and I got a lot

585
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: of love for Pullman, and I learned that it doesn't

586
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: matter what your story is or where you're from, right

587
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: being from a smaller city, I guess a football city

588
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: at Tacoma, Washington, and you go to these different camps,

589
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: you go to the Senior Bowl and you do all

590
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it's like, okay that you from where,

591
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and you played where, and you did what and these

592
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: people look at you a certain way. So I took

593
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: that to heart and I still carry that with me

594
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: to this day. Okay, I know you don't think I

595
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: got much going on, or I may not have much

596
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: to offer, but I'm gonna use that against you, and

597
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll do you. And I've always carried that.

598
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Man. Getting back to the Seahawks, come in

599
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: as a rookie, leventh overall pick. Congratulations, appreciate it, fourth round.

600
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: You know it's rookies. Man, we get that rookie treatment.

601
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: You know. I had to sing the fight song in

602
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: front of the team, had to carry all the pads.

603
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: I had to pay for dinner at where was we at?

604
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Daniels had to be daniels for people who wouldn't even

605
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: a part of the Seahawks. Man, Mike rob had me

606
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: pay dinner for two other tables that was there at

607
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: day of two other families not even associated with us.

608
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: And that's taking lobsters one hundred and eighty dollars. Yeah,

609
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: starts to add up over there, you know what I'm saying.

610
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Then then then the drink. How was your rookie year? Man?

611
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: Did you have to do any the dinner, the carrying,

612
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: the path like? What was that experience like for you? Yeah? Man,

613
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I had my fair share of rookie hazing, but as

614
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I had the dinner too. But I kind

615
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: of got out of just doing it myself because me

616
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: and Ken Hamlin was rookies together and we was both

617
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: in the room, so we were splitting everything fifty fifties.

618
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: So I was like cool. But like I said, I'm

619
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: a watcher turbo. I pay attention, I observed. So I

620
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: was a very quiet I was unassuming. I wasn't like

621
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the loud rookie that's talking loud and doing all the

622
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: flash and doing all that. I would just kind of

623
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: do my thing. I was sitting the back, so people

624
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: really wasn't coming from me like that, right. I mean,

625
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: of course I would do my thing in the media.

626
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: I would do the interviews and stuff like that because

627
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to me. But you know, I

628
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: would do everything with a smile. Okay, if you want

629
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: me to carry your pads, cool, all right. So it

630
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like they couldn't be like, yeah, that rookie is

631
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: out there, man, he's acting like he um, he's acting

632
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: like he's already arrived. Right. No, cool, sir, sir, I

633
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: gladly take your pads to your locker room, right. I

634
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: was that type of guy. I was playing the game right.

635
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: So just the guys that we had at the team,

636
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: um that we had on the team at that time,

637
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't that type of field man. We didn't oh

638
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and and Coach Holmegren was like, I don't want y'all

639
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: messing with the rookies. I don't want y'all doing it

640
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: like that big dad moment right there. Yeah, I want

641
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: them to be able to focus. I want them to

642
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: be able to play. I know, you guys got them

643
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: buying donuts, going to get chicken and picking up the

644
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: page and doing all this kind of stuff. These guys

645
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: got to play, right, I don't want them stressed out.

646
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: So we was looking at each other like cool with

647
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: a big show to go get chicken or nothing. I

648
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: did a little bit, but it wasn't like that though.

649
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: They were throwing people in the pool. They throwing people's

650
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: clothes in the pool and the cold tub and doing

651
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: all types of crazy stuff. Man, And yeah, I'm messing

652
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: with true. They wasn't messing with true. It came down

653
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: from the big show. And that's what we used to

654
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: call them. We used to call coach home in the

655
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Big Show. Yeah is that from WWF? I think so, Man,

656
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: But you knew about w Turbo Man the Giant, yeah,

657
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: everybody show man. Yeah, but he took care of us, man,

658
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: It took care of the Rooks. And I think that

659
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: went for a couple years. Man, So it really wasn't

660
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: like a thing thing. I know, it was fun and

661
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: they probably did some stuff off the campus right as

662
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: you get the Rooks out at dinner or whatever. But yeah,

663
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: but at the facility, yeah, man, a big show wasn't

664
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: playing that. That's funny, man, y'all you lucky? Yeah, because

665
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I had to do everything. Everybody Yeah,

666
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: we we we uh, we all have a you know,

667
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: some of a of a of a welcome to the

668
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: NFL moment. It happens in different ways, you know, various ways.

669
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: And I know for me it was you know, Cam

670
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: Chancellor knocking my helmet off and training camp as a rookie,

671
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: got to do it, you know, And so I said, okay, yeah, yeah,

672
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: this guy, whoever this is, can hit people hard. So, uh,

673
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: what was yours welcome to the NFL moment? Mine? I

674
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of them preseason first rounder. Man, I

675
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: want to do good in front of all the fans,

676
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: all the local people that I know coming too to

677
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: watch me. Man, you see the twenty three jerseys everywhere. Man,

678
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: I has arrived. Man, I'm doing my thing. And I

679
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: believe I don't even remember what team it was, but

680
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: back in those days, cornerbacks had to tackle right. You

681
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: had to come up, you had to hold the edge,

682
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and you had to do your thing. You had to

683
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: take on lineman, and you could cut lineman. You could

684
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: do all types of stuff. But as a young rookie,

685
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: I'm kind of caught up in the game. Man, I'm

686
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: looking around it kind of just taking it all in.

687
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: And I find myself just kind of watching and kind

688
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: of looking at the play right and the offensive linemen

689
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: just cleans me up. And like the those that type

690
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: of hit to where like the top of your shoulders

691
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: in your head hit the ground first and then your

692
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: butt and then your feet. I was lifted off the ground, bro,

693
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of took that and I

694
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: was like, man, okay, to take this a step further.

695
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to see this on film and tomorrow.

696
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Because I had got used to the coaches breaking everything down.

697
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: I was coming in watching extra film doing all this

698
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: stuff that, of course a young player was supposed to do.

699
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: So I was more scared about that about seeing it

700
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: on film, Like damn, man, I'm I'm gonna have to

701
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: relive this over and over and over again. But again,

702
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the nice guy approach

703
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: that I took. The coach really didn't even do it

704
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: like that, right, he might it did it like once

705
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: or twice, but usually coaches to get you, get you,

706
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: and they reminded like five six times. But yeah, man,

707
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: I did that. And then another one was when playing

708
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: against Peyton Manning, Oh Marvin Harrison duo in the preseason.

709
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: I come out, man, and I said, I'm a technique guy. Man,

710
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I was on it. I made a couple of plays

711
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: on a couple of short passes, right, man, I got

712
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: a couple of PBUs and then I see Peyton Manning

713
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: and Marvin Harrison. They go over to the side. This

714
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: is outside of the current huddle and they have their

715
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: own huddle and they look over at me, right and

716
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: like that, this rookie's out here making plays less, try

717
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: to see what we can do. Right. So the next

718
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: a couple of plays man like it's two deep balls

719
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: over my head, man, and now it's my welcome to

720
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: the league. Okay, I can't get too high, I can't

721
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: get too excited. I gotta stay in my bag because

722
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: these has grown men and they've been doing this for

723
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: a long time. So I just gotta say focused and

724
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: don't get too excited. I believe I celebrated Mail a

725
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe too much on the fist pump, and

726
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: so I kind of brought that back and that was

727
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: just Yeah, I just realized that playing dB in this league,

728
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: that you could be the hero one play and then

729
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: the next play and you could be the zero. I

730
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: guess man, you know what. That's really interesting though, Two,

731
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: because we talked about the you know, the challenging receivers

732
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: that you played against in Seattle as teammates. Yeah, but

733
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: you played you know, eleven twelve seasons, you know, and

734
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: so I'm sure you saw a ton of great receivers,

735
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: some of the best ever. I'm sure you've lined up against.

736
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: So I'm curious who was the most challenging receiver over

737
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: the course of your career. Not a Seahawk that you

738
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: played against and quarterback as well, played against a lot

739
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: of greats man. I played against a lot of dudes

740
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: that got them gold jackets now, right, Yeah, and I

741
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: can brag about that, right, um. Played against the guys

742
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: over the Greatest Show on Turf? Right And even though

743
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: like it was, did we play on the nasty turf

744
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: on the turf tory hold, Isaac Bruce, you got Marshall

745
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: fall Man. It was a thing, man, And we played

746
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: them twice. Right, So those um pretty much hell week

747
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: at practice because you run around practice all the crazy

748
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: routes and everything they would do. But playing against those

749
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: dudes and made me a better player. It made me

750
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: respect the game, and they're respecting me talking to those

751
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: dudes on the field and after the games that they

752
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: would come up and talk to me be like, yeah, true,

753
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: if you're really doing your thing, I like your technique

754
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, and it's what you

755
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: need to do here and you could do this here.

756
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: So it just being a young player, man and looking

757
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: at these dudes that's been doing this thing for a

758
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: long time and doing it at a high level was

759
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: pretty solid, man. And then playing against guys like playing

760
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: against Randy Moss, right, and you ever get most you

761
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: hear about it, all week, and you don't want to

762
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: get most right, so playing you know, eight to ten

763
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: yards office and normal alignment for the corner right and

764
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: maybe even seven, and it depends on what type of

765
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: defense you're playing, but we kind of fudge that thing

766
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: to like twelve thirteen, and we don't want to give

767
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: up the deep play. So I made a couple of

768
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: plays on Moss on the deep ball. So I learned

769
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: my lesson from the Peyton Manning and the Marvin Harrison.

770
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: I just in my bag. I'm gonna just remain calm.

771
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: So a couple of plays later, I'm playing my twelve

772
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: to thirteen off, probably fifteen at this time, because I'm

773
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: getting scared of as the game go, I don't want

774
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: to get that Colepepper just dropped back, I mean, and

775
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: wind up and throw that thing deep. But they come

776
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: back and they run a quick slant with Randy Moss

777
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: and goes for about sixty yards right, because I'm so

778
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: far off, fastest dude in the game. So just playing

779
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: against guys like that and hearing those phrasers mosst and

780
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: not wanting to be on Sports Center seeing it all

781
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: week in practice, you don't want your coaches to be

782
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: in your head and kind of just trying to navigate

783
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: that as a younger player still at the time, that

784
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: had to be a year, you know, at three, four

785
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: or five, I'm still doing my thing and then playing

786
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: against younger players that are coming to me and asking

787
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: me questions at guys like Larry Fitzgerald that he his

788
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: first couple of years, like we would battle right playing

789
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: against Arizona. This dude was the nicest dude on the field, true, sir,

790
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: I think his first year with sir. But as we

791
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: start playing against each other, be true, how your kids

792
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: doing and all that kind of stuff. And this is

793
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: pretty much as he's lining up right, and I think

794
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of attactive of here. It kind of

795
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: soften you up a little bit, man, and get you

796
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: in casual conversation, and then he kets a touchdown over

797
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: your head. But that dude is one of the best

798
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: receivers that I've ever played against. His hands was amazing,

799
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: played against Calvin Johnson, played against Andre Johnson, played against

800
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: all types of great receivers, man, And just to be

801
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: to be able to have that longevity in the league, man,

802
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: and you don't always win him at corner, right, but

803
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: of course if you keep fighting, man, and that's what

804
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: the game is about. But I felt like I did

805
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: all right, man, to go against a lot of those

806
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: dudes and the offensive guys. They they if they get

807
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: to shine in most cases, especially when you're a corner

808
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: that doesn't have that prime time that type of personality.

809
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: Right sure, um, But yeah, man, I really enjoyed it

810
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: and playing against those dudes. I can tell my kids now,

811
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: I can brag at to my kids when these guys

812
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: are going in the Hall of Fame and you see

813
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: all these it's on tape shrines in these statues. A

814
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: lot of it ain't on tape though. Well I'm saying

815
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: as far as back in the day, there's kind of

816
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: hard to find some of that tape, right. So what

817
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: about the ques, Yeah, the quarterbacks, man Um, Tom Brady

818
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: of course, played against Tom Brady when he was a Patriots.

819
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Um played against Kurt Warner, played against Uh played against

820
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: Bolgier of course, Ye, rams any of them like stand

821
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: out like most challenging. You think, playing against those guys

822
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: that have the big names like the Brett Farves and

823
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the Peyton Mannings and Bradies, it is a difference. The

824
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: Drew Breeses of the world, like just how they command

825
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: the team and how they have this thing down to

826
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: a science, right, everything is on point, everything is timing,

827
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: and they just go. There's no wasted time. The only

828
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: way to slow those guys down is to really to

829
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: get pressure on them. If you're gonna stand up and

830
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: you're just gonna play one on one out there with

831
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: the receiver, you can't really do it, man, and playing

832
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: against guys like Bret Father got an interception off Bret

833
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Farve on Monday night, man, So you have to be

834
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: right and you gotta count on the big boys up front.

835
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: But these quarterbacks are so confident on the verge I

836
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: guess on the verge of arrogant because they want and

837
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: they think they can make every throw right. And in

838
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: most situations they do. But you can get opportunities, especially

839
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: on a guy like Bread Farther Man. He's trying to

840
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: thread that needle every single time. Man. You sneak in

841
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: there every now and then and you can get you one.

842
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: You have a favorite like interception, like like like somebody

843
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: you picked off that was like I picked him off.

844
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: I like the Bread far far as a guy man

845
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: and did it for a long time man on several

846
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: different teams, and it just had the name behind him.

847
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: And to be able to do that on Monday night

848
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: was pretty big for me. Man. I was young, true

849
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: at the time and had my braids hanging out the

850
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: back of my helmet. I thought I was doing something.

851
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: So it was a good look, man, a good feeling.

852
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: A couple more questions, but we get out of here.

853
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: I want to touch on your Pro Bowl year because

854
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: it's not often you get to talk to a Pro

855
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: bowler and it's not often you get to hear the experience,

856
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: especially during your time, what the Pro Bowl was like, right,

857
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: So talk about that expert becoming a Pro Bowler, what

858
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: it meant to you, and then the actual experience of

859
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: being at the Pro Bowl and playing in that game.

860
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl first of all, just to make it

861
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: in general was like, it's kind of like a surreal

862
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: thing for me being just in the presence and being

863
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: in that to be mentioned just with those guys that

864
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: make it to the Pro Bowl, to be in that,

865
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: to be involved in that, to be in that group,

866
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: and that year it was me loaf Tatupu, Julian Peterson,

867
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback, I believe, and just the other guys around

868
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: the league, A Terrell Owens, t J. Housman, Zada, the quarterbacks,

869
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: you got Manning, you got Ray Lewis, you got Ed Reid,

870
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting at the pool with these dudes, right

871
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: and if you play it cool. But for me, a

872
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: kid from Tacoma, that was a big deal, man, that

873
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: was a big deal. Just to see all these dudes

874
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: and not being there's so much a football setting, but

875
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: just be chilling, right, it's chilling and just being dudes.

876
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: And the Pro Bowl then practices was practiced and some

877
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: dudes didn't even show up because they go out the

878
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: night before, et cetera, et cetera. But the game was

879
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: a game, man, and people would hit out there and

880
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: you would play against guys and just the experience, man,

881
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: it was a real thing. I brought I don't know

882
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: how many people. I probably brought about thirty people, so

883
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: I pretty much broke even. And you get a little

884
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: check to come out there, but you bring your friends

885
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: and family, and for me, I had to bring everybody

886
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: with me. I had to bring the whole squad. Man.

887
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: I brought people from New Orleans up. I told you

888
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: my family from New Orleans. But just to go through

889
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: all that and be talking to guys I was actually

890
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: getting recruited because, like I said, that was my contract year.

891
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: So talking to Ray Lewis and then boys at the pool,

892
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, true, I think we just missing

893
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: one piece and that could be a corner. So yeah, yeah,

894
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right that it could work, man,

895
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: I let you know, right, So just all those little

896
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: things I really appreciated it. I know the Pro Bowl

897
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: is a little bit different now, it's more just about

898
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: being mentioned. But to actually go there, I mean and

899
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: be there, to be there with my family, to be

900
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: there with fans, and just to go through that whole

901
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: experience was a really big time for me. And I

902
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: was still kind of more more like an unknown and

903
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, not that so I would never

904
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: talk about this man as being a hater. But Charles

905
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: Woodson was on the Packers at that time and Al

906
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: Harris was balling too, so I think there was maybe

907
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: one or two comments that I saw that he thought

908
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: that Al Harris should have been in the Pro Bowl

909
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: instead of me, But that was just him. I believe

910
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: it's just riding for his boy, right, got a lot

911
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: of love and respect for that man. He would it

912
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: was one of the best to do it, man, and

913
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: it definitely watched this game for a long time. But

914
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: that's just how it was. Man. It was a big

915
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: deal to get into the Pro Bowl and be a

916
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: part of that. And now I know it's some guys,

917
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: not that they turn it down, but it's not as

918
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: big of a deal to go and play. It's more

919
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: just a resume thing. You know what I'm saying. Immediately

920
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: after your career, you men didn't getting involved in a

921
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. You're on the radio now I'm

922
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: on the mic. You're sounding about it a thousand autographs

923
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: every Sunday. You know what I'm saying. I'm actually, before

924
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: I get into that, I'm big on numbers. There's a

925
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: reason why, Like I wore six in college, and any

926
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: particular reason for number twenty three. Twenty three. Of course

927
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: you got Jordan, man, everybody wears twenty three Jordan. But

928
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: to take it back, man, my number in college was

929
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: forty five. So that's really nasty for a corner to

930
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: be wearing number forty five and people would talk about me.

931
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: But I wore it and I kept it because they

932
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: gave it to me and they assumed that I really

933
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be that guy, right. So I was like, okay,

934
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: another kind of mind game I played with myself. Okay,

935
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: you you don't think or you you may not see

936
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: me being this type of player. So I took that. Man.

937
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to make that forty five into a baller number, right,

938
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: So I wore it all the way through. But when

939
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: I got to the league, I was like, man, I

940
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: need something that's a little bit cuter than that, right,

941
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: forty five. So there was a couple numbers for twenty three.

942
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't lose with that, man, and

943
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: then be honest. We just played against Patrick certain junior

944
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: at Denver, but his dad wore number twenty three and

945
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: I used to like his game, so I was like, okay, yeah,

946
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: just twenty three can work for me. So yeah, two

947
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: younger brothers played in the league. Man, yep, how does

948
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: that feel? Man? You know, how does that make you feel? Amazing? Amazing? Man?

949
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, Moms and pops was always over the moon

950
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: to be able to talk about their boys, and they

951
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: had they wore the half and half jerseys and they

952
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: wore the shirts with the three teams on them. Man,

953
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: I still got a couple in my storage now, but

954
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: just all the half and half stuff and supporting all

955
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: the teams, Huskies, Cougars, and the Eastern Washington. So we

956
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: did everything in Washington as far as college. I went

957
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: to Washington State and you know, Desmond was a Huskie

958
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: and then Isaiah was Eastern. So that's big. And then

959
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: to make it to the league. I'm ten years older

960
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: than Dad, so like my last year or two is

961
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: when Davis was coming into the league. So we so

962
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: we did preseason all together, and I think after that

963
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: I was done. Davis and Isaiah they played against each

964
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: other in the plee a preseason. But to all make

965
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: it to the league, man, and to be able to

966
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: do it like that on a high level, it's pretty dope. Man.

967
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: It was a blessing and it was big for my parents, man.

968
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: I know there was really proud of I know my

969
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: pops was really proud, and so it's just something that

970
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: we can say, man, and that we can stand on. Man,

971
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: it don't happen for a lot of families. Man. I

972
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: was able to say we got three of them to

973
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: do it. It was big. That's really special. Last question here, Okay,

974
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: because he had a long career here in Seattle. kJ Wright,

975
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: we saw also had a long career in Seattle, just

976
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: recently signed a one year, you know, one day contract

977
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: to retire. You did the same thing. So just what

978
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: about your time as a Seahawk just made that experience

979
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: so special for you? Yeah? Just full circle, man, I

980
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: think coming full circle with playing for the hometown team,

981
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: doing it for as long as I did it. It

982
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: doesn't happen like that. So just to experiences and the

983
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: friendships and just growing up right, and you go from

984
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: college and then you come to the league and you

985
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: transition and you have all these milestones you hit and

986
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you get married, and you have kids, and you get

987
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: and you go to the Pro Bowl and you get

988
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: a different contract, and your parents are able to do

989
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: this type of stuff. You're able to get your parents

990
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: a house and be able to do different type of thing.

991
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: And your brothers make it to the league. So just

992
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: this story of your life really comes together. So be

993
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: able to come back to the hometown team and then

994
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: it signed that one day contract, it's really a big deal.

995
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Or just to put a lid on it and to

996
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: put a stamp on it and be like, Okay, I'm

997
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: still young, but it's time for the next step, right,

998
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: So it's easier said than done. A lot of people

999
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: have complications. I guess it's what I would call it

1000
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: with transition, but doing it for this organization and how

1001
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 1: they embrace and how they pull you in and how

1002
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: they want you to succeed in the community that I

1003
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: grew up in and what I've sold into the community

1004
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: throughout my playing career. To be able to get that

1005
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: back and still be able to to be able to

1006
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: move around and do things in the community, it's huge, man,

1007
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: it's huge, and you build a legacy. So my playing

1008
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: time is done. I was able to put a lid

1009
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: on it with that one day contract, and that's big

1010
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: to be able to retire as a Seahawk. But and

1011
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: now it's on to the next man. Still got a

1012
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: lot of life to live. I got a lot of

1013
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: good to do. I got a lot of kids, I

1014
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: got a wife, got a big family. So, man, I

1015
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: want to continue to be blessed. I want to continue

1016
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: to bless people there. It is true. Og Og triple Og,

1017
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on to the show Man tune in

1018
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: next time. We got Jordan Babble coming into the house

1019
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: for episode number two of Seahawks Stories. Peace out y'all's

1020
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: turbot