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Speaker 1: My guess is a serial entrepreneur and authority on taming homes.

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Speaker 1: They're officially called accessory dwelling units. Now well, Amazon is

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Speaker 1: now selling a two story tiny home for under fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, complete with bacconies and picture windows. Can you

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Speaker 1: believe that my guess is personally built and renovated over

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty homes and encounter the frustrations that

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Speaker 1: arise when contractors failed to meet the expectations.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, it's tiny home time. Please.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Paul Dryshevski. How you doing, Paul?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me. Rashan. Great to

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Speaker 3: be with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Paul, I got to get this question that accessory

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Speaker 1: dwelling units when it stop being tiny homes.

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Speaker 2: Man, tiny homes works so many brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you and I were talking about that. I

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Speaker 3: like tiny homes. I like granny flats. That was good marketing.

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Speaker 3: Now they're accessory dwelling units, which is a mouthful. So

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Speaker 3: let's call them ad us. We call them ADUs out

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Speaker 2: Okay. Cool.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm based in Atlanta, Georgia, and I've been aware

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Speaker 1: of Tony Holmes for years. I remember I was in Houston,

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Speaker 1: where I'm also living. Houston in twenty seventeen. They was

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Speaker 1: creating tiny home communities, you know, really creating modern community.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the history if you can of tiny homes

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Speaker 1: and why you know, we can look at the price tag,

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Speaker 1: but why are they why people are like finding it.

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Speaker 2: I'm comfortable with living in the tiny home space.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean here on the West Coast, and really,

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Speaker 3: this is this is happening all over the country. The

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Speaker 3: governments really want to find housing alternatives, right, we want

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Speaker 3: to densify housing, we want to bring housings too expensive.

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Speaker 3: We want options for all sorts of folks. And so

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Speaker 3: they said, really, anyone in the state here can build

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Speaker 3: a second home on their property. And that never used

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Speaker 3: to be the case. You were never allowed to build

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Speaker 3: a second home on your property because that, you know,

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Speaker 3: that densifies everything, that creates a duplex in a sense.

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Speaker 3: Now everybody can do it, and that's a big deal

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Speaker 3: because that provides all sorts of folks a great place

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Speaker 3: to live because they are small, right, they are tiny homes.

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Speaker 3: A lot of what we see being built are six hundred,

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Speaker 3: great for couples, great for retirees that don't need their

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Speaker 3: large home anymore. All the home builders they're building these

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Speaker 3: big homes, two twenty five hundred, three thousand square foot homes,

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Speaker 3: which is great, great for families, but lots of people

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Speaker 3: need other options, smaller type homes. And so that's why

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Speaker 3: I think this has become a trend.

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Speaker 2: OK.

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Speaker 1: I would tell you my fair first apartment was seven

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Speaker 2: It was one of those.

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Speaker 1: Split It was a studio, but it had a wall

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Speaker 1: seven hundred square feet when I think about it. So

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Speaker 1: for you, you saying that a tiny home is six

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Speaker 1: seem like because I think that the word tainy kind

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Speaker 1: but it really is a liver space because I was

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Speaker 1: very comfortable living in seven hundred square feet.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I mean that's a good size apartment.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing them anywhere from one hundred and fifty square

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Speaker 3: here allows up to twelve hundred square feet. Oh so

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Speaker 3: when you say tiny, you know, twelve hundred square feet

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Speaker 3: is not tiny. That's a house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my first home was fourteen hundred square feet.

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Speaker 2: That was a two bedroom, one bath.

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Speaker 1: I'm just giving people contexts when you start using the

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Speaker 1: is that when you talk talking about seven hundred square feet,

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Speaker 1: I've lived that my third first apartment you're talking about

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Speaker 1: would you say eleven hundred homes of what? Twelve twelve

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Speaker 1: That was my first house. So have you ever my

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Speaker 3: Home I have never lived in the tiny home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are an authority. What excites you about

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Speaker 1: the fact that Amazon is now selling them for under

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Speaker 1: plus you've renovated over three hundred and fifty homes in

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Speaker 1: your career, talk to us about tiny homes.

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Speaker 3: So we started this company five six years ago called Maximle.

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Speaker 3: And this company is online and it's a resource for

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Speaker 3: anything and everything, accessory dwelling units, tiny homes, granny flats. Right,

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Speaker 3: if someone's thinking about it, I know you were talking

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Speaker 3: about your daughter thinking about it. Someone's thinking about it,

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Speaker 3: the first thing they need to do is research, because

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Speaker 3: it's still a house, right, It's still a home, whether

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Speaker 3: you buy it from Amazon or you build it yourself.

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Speaker 3: It's no joke. You're not building a Lego kit here.

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Speaker 3: So you need to know what you're doing, how to

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Speaker 3: design it, what it costs, how to finance it. So

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Speaker 3: that's what my company Maxwell does. Now what gets me

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Speaker 3: so excited about it is the use cases. So a

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Speaker 3: want some rental income. I want, you know, to put

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Speaker 3: but lots of people want to start a music studio

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Speaker 3: use cases are really significant and interesting, and so when

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Speaker 3: people build these things, they're building themselves, building it for themselves.

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Speaker 3: But once they sell that home, maybe the next buyer

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Speaker 3: is going to use that accessory dwelling unit for something else,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, first of all, education is a powerful

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Speaker 1: thing because you took me from humor to reality by

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Speaker 1: mentioning parents. You know, we have a really issue with

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Speaker 1: housing for parents because we never plan for our parents,

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Speaker 1: get know, where do they go? And being in a

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Speaker 1: you know, Then you mentioned nurse which is another situation.

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Speaker 1: Then I love the other thought that you brought up

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Speaker 1: people want to know. Back in the day, it was

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Speaker 1: always building a garage over your putting an apartment over

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Speaker 1: your garage. But you don't have to do that. But

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Speaker 1: I want to slow this down for a minute, Paul.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, I thought a tiny home was just

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Speaker 1: already manufacturer, just bring it in, just flop it down.

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Speaker 2: But I keep hearing you use the word build.

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Speaker 1: Tiny homes aren't like mobile homes. You can just go

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Speaker 1: pick them out and just put them on a lot.

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Speaker 3: Are you got a few options? Mostly out here people

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Speaker 3: are building their own units. They're designing them to fit

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Speaker 3: That's what we think of ADUs Uh but there are

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Speaker 3: you're talking you're talking about the Amazon product. There are

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Speaker 3: That's another option too, But just remember, you know, you

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Speaker 3: that costs something. And then I'll bring up what people

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Speaker 3: usually forget when they think about buying one of those

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Speaker 3: you know, so you really do need a local contractor

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Speaker 1: What the complications are You help us get through that

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Speaker 1: with your experience. Tell us about your background renovating homes,

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Speaker 2: I think that that's.

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Speaker 1: The nightmare that every homeowner or a person who rents

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Speaker 3: did quite a few. And nowadays I'm helping with this company, Maxibell.

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Speaker 3: I'm building my own accessory dwelling units here on my

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Speaker 3: kind of wondered about that, why why is this industry

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Speaker 3: whatever it is you're doing around your house, you better

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Speaker 3: do your homework. Don't trust that guy that just comes

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Speaker 3: real careful. There's too many horror stories out there where

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Speaker 1: So basically, like you say, do your research and make

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Speaker 4: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making

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Speaker 4: Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about let's go to am on

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Speaker 1: a little bit about that, that's what attracted my daughter.

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Speaker 2: She saw your name, she looked up there.

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Speaker 1: She said, dag they got the houses in the twenty

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Speaker 2: So the evolution of the tainting home or the ADU.

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Speaker 1: Because when I first saw him on TV, you know,

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, Paul, I never live in there.

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Speaker 1: I never lived there Because they were talking about one

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Speaker 2: Square I was like, how does anybody live in there?

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Speaker 1: But when you start throwing out numbers like six hundred

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Speaker 3: Look, there's there's a you know, we're a resource for

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Speaker 3: take a look around. But there's you're right, there's a

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Speaker 3: big ones. Yes, the six seven hundred square feet, those

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Speaker 3: two is the little tiny one hundred and fifty square

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Speaker 1: That would I got a foldable house, I swear, and

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Speaker 2: Don't you try to do it. That's a number one

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Speaker 3: Well, look on the Amazon Home you gotta be careful, right,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna need a local contractor to help you out,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Cool, you mentioned Maximo. That's the platform that they

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Speaker 1: can go to. What is the experience that you're offering

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Speaker 1: What is the experience and what do they get? And

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Speaker 2: Is it virtual tours?

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Speaker 3: Are there's.

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Speaker 2: Dimensional drawings on your website? Talk to us about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of have it all. We have a

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Speaker 3: pretty good YouTube channel with you know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: to do their homework. It can be us, maxable or

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Speaker 3: It's because, like.

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Speaker 1: you put them? You can put them in attaining home

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Speaker 2: And like I said, twelve hundred square.

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Speaker 1: Feet is a lot. My very first apartment I was

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Speaker 1: But you did remind me of this is that Rushwan,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, folks do these things. I'll say, we

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Speaker 3: Do it right. You're gonna spend lots of money. This

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Speaker 1: You know, some Paul just being serious about what's happening

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Speaker 3: I love that idea. And not only do I do

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Speaker 3: So I think you add a tiny home or accessory

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Speaker 1: Now enthusiasm, they always say, marketing is how people find

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Speaker 3: Look, I love it. It's great marketing. Amazon's right a

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Speaker 3: I remember before my time, to be honest with you, Rashanna,

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Speaker 3: like we talked about, uh, it's really hard to do

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Speaker 3: local city to be on board. So I don't want

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Speaker 3: to call it a gimmick. Like you said, you call

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Speaker 3: it marketing, right, that's marketing. It's good marketing.

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Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear.

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Speaker 3: From the people that bought those and find out, you know,

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Speaker 3: what kind of experience they had and how they ended up.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we close this out, you know, mobile

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Speaker 1: home parks, you know, and then now you have tiny homes.

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Speaker 1: Now they call it adu's And somehow ADUs sound a

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Speaker 1: little bit more sexier than mobile home parks.

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Speaker 2: How did that happen? How did the ADU?

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Speaker 1: Because I guess again, marketing, but it seems like I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this, Paul, I'm much more receptive to

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Speaker 1: buy the ADU than buying a mobile home, and that

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Speaker 1: is marketing, and that is the business you're in. I

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Speaker 1: wish you good luck, my friend, And I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: my daughter, once she hears this interview, she's going to

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Speaker 1: be even more motivated to buy an ADU. But you

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Speaker 1: gave me such such such tremendous tips on how to

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Speaker 1: look at this whole community that's going out there, and

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm just a guy on the show, and

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Speaker 1: I wish America would look at the possibilities of seeing

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Speaker 1: what ADUs can do for the homeless community because we

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Speaker 1: have to do something and we have to get these

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Speaker 1: people off the street.

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Speaker 2: Any closing thoughts, paul.

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Speaker 3: I love it, Rashaan, thank you for having me on,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation master Class.

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Speaker 2: You are awesome.

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Speaker 1: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass

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Speaker 1: posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guess

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