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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
Speaker 1: Rain drives Yes. On today's episode of Reality with the King, Honey,
Speaker 1: we are talking about the most talked about reunion. No,
Speaker 1: not fat the pump rules, honey, although we could get
Speaker 1: into that, but no, let's also get into the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of New Jersey Part two reunion or should I
Speaker 1: call it Teresa Versus Everybody? Yes, So I could not
Speaker 1: do this episode alone. I am joined by Gibson John
Speaker 1: who is the hoss Honey that we should talk podcast.
Speaker 1: Give it up for Gibson.
Speaker 2: This is I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're part of the creation of this show, so.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel honored that you want to have
Speaker 2: me on Nah.
Speaker 1: Thank you gifts and no, we follow each other on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I enjoy all of your interviews with the reality stars,
Speaker 1: especially the housewives. You were also part of Bravo Con.
Speaker 1: You moderated a.
Speaker 3: Panel too, right, I did two in the first Bravo
Speaker 3: cons and I did one with Melissa, and then there
Speaker 3: was some other there was Giselle and Ashley and Emily Simpson,
Speaker 3: and then the next day I did one with Dolores
Speaker 3: and Teresa.
Speaker 2: So I've I've you know, I've been in the belly
Speaker 2: of the beast.
Speaker 1: Oh well, give us some scoop, honey. How was her experience.
Speaker 3: I've had nothing but good experiences with the Jersey ladies, because,
Speaker 3: you know, living in New York, they and you know,
Speaker 3: you go to events here and there, there's Bravo things whatever.
Speaker 2: They're popping out everywhere.
Speaker 3: When when you're when you're in New York, and so
Speaker 3: when you're sort of in this sort of insular world
Speaker 3: of you know, people who interview them, people who interact
Speaker 3: with them, like they know how to play the game,
Speaker 3: they know who they need to be friendly with and
Speaker 3: converse with. And you know, I talked to some of
Speaker 3: them every single season. So I've had nothing about good experiences.
Speaker 3: I remember for the Teresa and Dolores one, it was
Speaker 3: on the third day of Bravo Con and it was
Speaker 3: at ten thirty in the morning. It's the first event
Speaker 3: of the day and it's been like a long weekend.
Speaker 3: It's the first one and you know, they they got
Speaker 3: stuck in traffic on the way from their hotel after
Speaker 3: doing glam so it was going to start a little late,
Speaker 3: but Teresa, But Teresa and Dolores came in so apologetic.
Speaker 3: It was out of their control. There was tech traffic,
Speaker 3: but they were like, all right, let's go. When they
Speaker 3: came to the door of they were on stage in
Speaker 3: two minutes. Part of the conceit of the event was
Speaker 3: to be making pasta sauce. It was like it was
Speaker 3: like it was like the Sunday Sauce with Dolores and Teresa.
Speaker 2: As I interviewed them, they were like cooking.
Speaker 3: On a hot plate as I was interviewing them, and
Speaker 3: they hadn't the producers of the panel didn't turn the
Speaker 3: hot plate on, so we were cooking like tomato sauce
Speaker 3: on a cold hot plate for thirty minutes. But they
Speaker 3: were game. They were just like they're they're pros. You know,
Speaker 3: they can they can roll with the punches and and
Speaker 3: I've always had good experiences with them, I really have.
Speaker 1: I love that now those are my girls. I love
Speaker 1: his Jersey girls. And I also loved watching part two
Speaker 1: reunion because let's just get started with the good shit, right, Gibson.
Speaker 1: It was a blove ath. I mean, it started off with,
Speaker 1: of course, Teresa versus Melissa. But what was so interesting
Speaker 1: about their beef at the top of the reunion was
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Larita's text that she sent to Jackie Golschneider last year.
Speaker 1: And this is the gag. Jackie was not even on
Speaker 1: the stage, okay, and Melissa and I think Margaret even
Speaker 1: had the text message, but Melissa read the text message.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, if Jacqueline text Jackie, Jackie, you shady bitch,
Speaker 1: I love it. So Jackie clearly sent the text message
Speaker 1: screenshot it sent it to Melissa, and I believe Margaret
Speaker 1: and Melissa read it. And look, that was really interesting
Speaker 1: and also bad when you think about the reconciliation, Gibson,
Speaker 1: that Jacqueline and Teresa had this year. Okay, how do
Speaker 1: you reconcile feeling like this woman is trash? Had a
Speaker 1: face lift, a no job, et cetera, et cetera, Like
Speaker 1: really read her for filth last year to only turn
Speaker 1: around this year, have a ponderosa literally and met for
Speaker 1: a couple of hours in Vegas. So what did you
Speaker 1: think about all of that? Is Jacqueline being two face?
Speaker 1: You think, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's just everybody looking the other way for the
Speaker 3: sake of playing the game. Think that I kind of think,
Speaker 3: you know, I think, like you said at the top
Speaker 3: of this, it's kind of like Teresa versus everybody.
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the feeling.
Speaker 3: You know, she obviously has some of her allies, but
Speaker 3: I think Teresa like knows that she has to look
Speaker 3: past some of this stuff and to to have people on.
Speaker 2: Her side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I think I mean, her and Jacqueline have the
Speaker 3: longest history, and it's hard to put myself in their
Speaker 3: in their shoes, in their mindset, but I think when
Speaker 3: you're in their positions, it's like you have to let
Speaker 3: things be water under the bridge.
Speaker 2: You have to let bygones be bygones to move forward.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know what Teresa's endgame is
Speaker 3: with with this, like new newfound friendship and and sort
Speaker 3: of association with Jacqueline is.
Speaker 2: But if I was.
Speaker 3: If I were Jaqueline, I'd be pissed that that text
Speaker 3: was read and it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not a good look.
Speaker 3: It really is not really and I don't know what
Speaker 3: her end game is either, honestly.
Speaker 1: No listen, and I love Jacqueline. Jacqueline's my friend. Jacqueline
Speaker 1: was also on the podcast. When I saw the text
Speaker 1: on the full screen, honey, because Melissa said to the
Speaker 1: producers so they could make sure to post that shit.
Speaker 1: So when I saw and I'm reading it with my
Speaker 1: twenty twenty vision, I am gagging because, look, Jacqueline obviously
Speaker 1: said it right. You can't say it was doctor. You
Speaker 1: can't say, you know, artificial intelligence wrote this for me.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into all of that in terms of
Speaker 1: people being yeah, well, we'll get into later about all
Speaker 1: the Housewives or Andy Cohen being hacked. It's like, wait,
Speaker 1: what's happening here? But Jacqueline feeling that way at the time. Look,
Speaker 1: they weren't friends, and Jacqueline, obviously, according to her, she said,
Speaker 1: I clearly I'm not bitter, poking fun of the fact
Speaker 1: that she sounds bitter, right, So obviously it was a
Speaker 1: chess move on Melissa's part to show that here you
Speaker 1: are befriending a woman at a three hour ponder rosa
Speaker 1: who literally three hundred and sixty five days ago, we
Speaker 1: felt this way about you, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you're believing her when she says that Joe and Melissa
Speaker 1: allegedly called the FEDS on them or were friends what
Speaker 1: people call the Feds on them? Do you think Melissa
Speaker 1: and Joe had anything to do with the FEDS being
Speaker 1: called on Joe?
Speaker 2: No, I do not.
Speaker 3: I think that the blame game there, I think is
Speaker 3: there's one person to blame and it's Joe Jude, and
Speaker 3: I just don't. I just think it's like it's kind
Speaker 3: of the who, like the whole question about who turned
Speaker 3: her in or what have you. I have the same
Speaker 3: feeling about that versus I mean, as I do, you know,
Speaker 3: talking about how Melissa got on the show, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of just tired of talking about it. And like the
Speaker 3: story just constantly is like evolving, and it's like this
Speaker 3: happened a decade ago, Like we just no wonder why
Speaker 3: they can't move forward, you know what I mean that
Speaker 3: it's we're looking back and then we're also changed in
Speaker 3: the story A lot, and it's like, no, I don't
Speaker 3: believe Joe and Melissa are involved at all.
Speaker 2: You know, And I mean for years she was saying
Speaker 2: as Caroline Manzo.
Speaker 1: So I'm just.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: And I think that, honestly, Melissa using that text was
Speaker 3: a really savvy chess move and I think that like
Speaker 3: it also makes her.
Speaker 2: I think I think you can read it as like her,
Speaker 2: you know, going being.
Speaker 3: A low blow by reading it out, but like, honestly,
Speaker 3: it makes her look good in my opinion, because she's
Speaker 3: never said that that stuff that mean about Teresa. She's
Speaker 3: never said stuff that mean. And the stuff that Jaquan
Speaker 3: was saying in that text brutal. I'm sorry, that was
Speaker 3: a savage text.
Speaker 1: It really now Listen, listen, listen, because I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people think I'm a Melissa gorga hater, which
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not. I will admit that was
Speaker 1: a fucking house spots and playbook chess move. And you
Speaker 1: have to give props where props is due. It was good.
Speaker 1: I listen, I was gagging Teresa was she was?
Speaker 2: She was y.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't to hear that from a woman
Speaker 1: who you were friends with for so many years. And look,
Speaker 1: Teresa's not stupid. She knows Jacqueline felt that way at
Speaker 1: one point in time, of course, but I think this
Speaker 1: was the timeline of damn bitch, you said this last
Speaker 1: year and I just had a ponderosa with you. But
Speaker 1: I will also give Teresa props. She gaged, but she
Speaker 1: also did not flip it and say, well, f you, Jacqueline.
Speaker 1: I think she knew, like, look, you thought that way
Speaker 1: before we had a chance to reconcile. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be mad at you for things you said about
Speaker 1: me when we were in a bad place. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but overall, it was a great f you from Melissa
Speaker 1: to Teresa. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Think that's honestly one of Teresa's one of the qualities
Speaker 3: that works best for her on the show is like
Speaker 3: she there's something she can never look past, as we
Speaker 3: know that they being brought up. But there are also
Speaker 3: sometimes when she is just like I'm impressed by her
Speaker 3: ability to just like look past something like that, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like somebody's reading you an essay
Speaker 3: from somebody who recently became friends with again saying the
Speaker 3: meanest things anybody could say, and you're like, I know
Speaker 3: she felt that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like to look past that. I would.
Speaker 3: She's a bigger person than I am. I guess like
Speaker 3: I would not be able to look past that. So
Speaker 3: I'm impressed by her ability to do that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yes, add great, now she looked past it. Now
Speaker 1: we can't look past the fact that Andy Cohen, the
Speaker 1: host and executive producer of the Real Housewives franchise, is
Speaker 1: being called out by the fans, the tree thuggers, the
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aiden fans, and all of Brava in terms of
Speaker 1: the fandom for these aren't their words, not my because
Speaker 1: as a host upper reunion, I'll tell you what it
Speaker 1: feels like, the host of re union show where everyone
Speaker 1: is talking of each other. But first people were saying
Speaker 1: that Andy was yelling at the women and he was
Speaker 1: over them, and they felt he was very mean to
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aiden. They felt he was very dismissive to Teresa.
Speaker 1: When you were watching it, what were you thinking, did
Speaker 1: you think Andy was being mean?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think he is probably the easiest
Speaker 3: person to criticize because he has it's an impossible task
Speaker 3: to host that reunion and leave with everybody happy and
Speaker 3: all of youers happy. If he had been yelling at
Speaker 3: Melissa or Margaret like that, the fans of Teresa and
Speaker 3: Jennifer would have no problem with it. I'm sorry, like
Speaker 3: they're only they're only. They only have a problem with
Speaker 3: it because he's yelling at their favorite housewives. And it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, I I don't know what it's like to
Speaker 3: host a reunion, but I could imagine how hard it is,
Speaker 3: and I would probably lose my shit sometimes too, And
Speaker 3: I think that it just comes with the territory, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And like, I'm not, I'm just not.
Speaker 3: I'm not in the business of criticizing what Andy's doing
Speaker 3: on that show, because ultimately it kind of has to
Speaker 3: be a wash, I think, because and if the women
Speaker 3: had a problem with it, you know, maybe they would.
Speaker 3: I don't actually maybe they wouldn't speak up, but you know,
Speaker 3: he's their boss.
Speaker 2: But you know I didn't. I did not.
Speaker 3: I was not watching that and thinking, wow, he's overstepping,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. There have been there
Speaker 3: have been bigger moments in him yelling anyway, So I'm
Speaker 3: not sure why there's so much outrage over it, right
Speaker 3: now what do you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's a lot of outrage. So look, I'll
Speaker 1: speak as someone who is an executive producer of the shows,
Speaker 1: and I also host a few of the shows I
Speaker 1: created and executive produced. So let me tell the world this.
Speaker 1: This is what it's like to host a reunion show
Speaker 1: that's very intense with a type acast who sometimes hate
Speaker 1: each other and they're going for blood a lot of times.
Speaker 1: What you may not see is these ladies do talk
Speaker 1: over each other, yeah, and it's hard to calm them down.
Speaker 1: So I host a reunion of a show called Bill
Speaker 1: Collect on the Oprah Winfroy Network. These are six very strong,
Speaker 1: opinionated women. One incident happened where two of my cast
Speaker 1: members they just would not shut up. They were screaming
Speaker 1: at each other. Familiar right exactly, And I'm relatively like,
Speaker 1: you know, a good person who's able to like calm
Speaker 1: a situation, Gibson. In this case, they would not stop talking.
Speaker 1: So listen, because I'm a little bit more conscious of like, uh,
Speaker 1: this may look bad if I do. Yeah, answer, I
Speaker 1: purposely don't, although I want to. It got so bad,
Speaker 1: Gibson I had to leave my host seat. Approach the
Speaker 1: cast member put my hands on her shoulders and say,
Speaker 1: I'm begging you. I'm looking at you in your eye.
Speaker 1: Can you please respect me and stop? And she's like this,
Speaker 1: she's dodging me, like like I'm literally in her face,
Speaker 1: like I'm begging you. Can you stop? Believe? And she
Speaker 1: said fine, I sit back now, and they started doing
Speaker 1: it again. So look, so I want people to know this,
Speaker 1: whether or not you thought he yelled, whether or not
Speaker 1: you thought it was appropriate, unless you know what it's
Speaker 1: like to sit in a room where two strong females
Speaker 1: are yelling at each other and you're there for twelve hours.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult. It is. And I will give Andy
Speaker 1: his props in terms of there isn't a right or
Speaker 1: wrong answer in terms of how to calm a situation down.
Speaker 1: You just you're there trying to get through the day,
Speaker 1: and it's a very hard job to do. It really
Speaker 1: is very hard.
Speaker 3: And there was that moment in part two where he
Speaker 3: starts like yelling the question he's asking and just to
Speaker 3: just to be heard, and Rachel Fudo is literally like
Speaker 3: thank you Jesus, like thank you for Gelly, because I
Speaker 3: literally nobody can hear anybody talk, so you know, I
Speaker 3: they I don't.
Speaker 2: Think they have a problem with that. I really don't.
Speaker 3: So I don't know why everybody else needs to have.
Speaker 2: A problem with that.
Speaker 1: And that's a good that's a good point you made. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't think the women have a problem with it
Speaker 1: at all, because I and this is other thing, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like Andy should be fired,
Speaker 1: he should be replaced. Let me tell y'all something. The
Speaker 1: reason why number one is not gonna happen, girls and
Speaker 1: guys and they it's not gonna happen. Number two. The
Speaker 1: reason why he's good at hosting the reunions is because
Speaker 1: he has a relationship totally with the ladies. And and
Speaker 1: I will say this again as somebody who holds reunions.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's capable of getting the women to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: when they need to be, and not everyone's capable of
Speaker 1: calling the women out in a respectful way. And they
Speaker 1: answer the question because you know more than what they're leading,
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say, right. And number three, there's
Speaker 1: a respect level that these women have when it comes
Speaker 1: to him. And although it may look disrespectful that they're yelling,
Speaker 1: they're not disrespecting him. It's not even in their minds
Speaker 1: that they're disrespecting him. When they're not, like, stop yelling
Speaker 1: over each other. They are just It's sort of like
Speaker 1: being at brunch with your friends and you have too
Speaker 1: many mimosas and two your best friends are yelling and
Speaker 1: it's your birthday brunch. You're like, bitch, can you shut up?
Speaker 1: It's my birthday. They don't. They're not disrespecting you. It's
Speaker 1: a family affair. And I think we have to understand
Speaker 1: Andy isn't just this journalist who's hosting the show and
Speaker 1: then he goes about his life in the Hamptons. He's
Speaker 1: integrated in the show. It's a family affair. He had
Speaker 1: a baby shower and had all these women there, a host,
Speaker 1: going to be a guest. But I think we have
Speaker 1: to look at things from that standpoint.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just read his book and it's like
Speaker 3: you you realize where he just takes you through every
Speaker 3: day it was life for a year, and like you
Speaker 3: realize how much he's corresponding with these women day in
Speaker 3: day out there texting all the time. They're always corresponding,
Speaker 3: And I mean, taking a silly moment from the reunion
Speaker 3: when they were talking about Margaret and like giving a
Speaker 3: blowjob Joe in the car or something like that, and
Speaker 3: they were talking about how, you know, they would first
Speaker 3: start hooking up in the car and it was kind
Speaker 3: of the elephant the room, and Andy called it out.
Speaker 3: He was like, well, Margaret, like you guys were married
Speaker 3: when you first got together, right, and like and he
Speaker 3: not already can get away with thinking something like that
Speaker 3: to Margaret, but she took but she took it because
Speaker 3: she Again, there is that trust, that relationship of like,
Speaker 3: he's not pointing this out to be shady, he's pointing
Speaker 3: it out to like, you know, clarify the situation and
Speaker 3: try and try to get it deeper in. So I agree,
Speaker 3: I think there's a level of respect, there's a level
Speaker 3: of trust. And if he has to lose his shit
Speaker 3: a couple of times of reunion taping again for ten
Speaker 3: or twelve hours, they get it and they know it
Speaker 3: just kind of part of the gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you said earlier, the women don't care,
Speaker 1: but one moment apparently cares a little much. So one
Speaker 1: of Jennifer Aiden tweeters that follows her tweeted that Andy
Speaker 1: was rude to Jennifer.
Speaker 2: Oh, I did see this, yes, and.
Speaker 1: Intimated something along the lines of, Jennifer, Andy is always
Speaker 1: rude to you all the time. Jennifer responded and said,
Speaker 1: not all the time, just most of the time.
Speaker 3: Now, that was ballsy to tweet that.
Speaker 2: That was ballsy, Gibson.
Speaker 1: What are we taking from that?
Speaker 3: And there's a lot to take from that, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, obviously, it indicates that Jennifer is
Speaker 3: in line with what the fans are saying about, or
Speaker 3: what her fans and Teresa fans are saying about how
Speaker 3: Andy's behaving at the reunion. I guess, but I'm trying
Speaker 3: to I'm trying to parse through whether, like whether she
Speaker 3: felt that way before she saw the fan reaction, or
Speaker 3: if the fan reaction informed how she felt about it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, so I can answer that. Okay, this isn't
Speaker 1: the first time she said this, got it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Then, so two years ago she was on Watch What
Speaker 1: Happens Live and one of the fans tweeted, he doesn't
Speaker 1: like you, and she kind of agreed to it, and
Speaker 1: I believe, and rain drops tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I believe. On another Watch What Happens Live? She also
Speaker 1: intimated the same thing to his face, like I'm something like,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not one of your favorites. Something she
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he either likes her. But based on
Speaker 1: the reunion, because I'll tell you my opinion, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm going to be very honest with you again about
Speaker 1: being a creator and executive when you're creating shows that
Speaker 1: deals with these women or men in some cases that
Speaker 1: have high personalities. When you watch his interaction with Jennifer,
Speaker 1: especially this reunion, did you see anything that made you think, like, hmm,
Speaker 1: not that he doesn't like you, but that he definitely
Speaker 1: isn't he a fan of yours like he is to
Speaker 1: Melissa or Esa.
Speaker 3: I think that he's really easily frustrated by her because
Speaker 3: I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's a good answer Gifts to continue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think that Jennifer Aden is an
Speaker 3: amazing housewife.
Speaker 2: She's really good at her job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I almost she's kind of to me like
Speaker 3: a a housewife like two point oh or three point zero,
Speaker 3: where like she she doesn't she acts differently than a
Speaker 3: lot of the ogs. I think it's kind of like
Speaker 3: her behavior is like she's always on one hundred. It's
Speaker 3: like kind of like housewives on steroids. Sometimes it's like
Speaker 3: a lot all the time, And you know, I think
Speaker 3: sometimes that's amazing. I think sometimes I would like Jennifer
Speaker 3: to tone it down a little bit. Sometimes I would
Speaker 3: like to see like more levels of energy from her.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I think that that's when
Speaker 3: somebody is like that. And I'm trying to think of
Speaker 3: other examples of people like that that I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of how Andy interacts with them.
Speaker 1: But oh, I can tell you a couple Kenya Moore.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's like, it's like Kenya Lisa Rinna. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of a New York Cast member to think about.
Speaker 1: Ramona could be crazy, but I I when it cost Ramona,
Speaker 1: he still likes it. Right, there's to me, the New
Speaker 1: York the o G New York Cast, to me is
Speaker 1: definitely his favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that actually somebody somebody who I think has
Speaker 3: actually evolved a lot, who used to be kind of
Speaker 3: more like Jennifer as Candace from Potomac.
Speaker 2: I think that she sometimes.
Speaker 3: I think when she first joined the show, similar to Jennifer,
Speaker 3: they were kind of like reckless with their words and
Speaker 3: just kind of like they were they would let it fly.
Speaker 3: I think I think Candace has done an amazing job
Speaker 3: of raining it in and I think Jennifer, Jennifer could
Speaker 3: actually learn something from how Candace has evolved on the show,
Speaker 3: just by like like having like a split second of
Speaker 3: a thought before speaking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I think that you don't always have to.
Speaker 3: I like the on the fly stuff, but I think
Speaker 3: that Candace has like really shown us so many more
Speaker 3: levels of her in the past year or two. And
Speaker 3: I think that Jennifer again could take a page from that,
Speaker 3: and I think it would benefit her a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jennifer, I like you. I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aiden is a phenomenal housewife. She's tandls across the board.
Speaker 1: She's a plus. Her and Margaret joined the show to
Speaker 1: me resurrected the show. It gave us some new live
Speaker 1: I love Margaret and Jennifer for the show. Jennifer, that
Speaker 1: was a very ballsy move, bitch. I would not have
Speaker 1: done it.
Speaker 3: Especially when the show is on hiatus and we're not
Speaker 3: sure what it looks like. I mean, it was very
Speaker 3: and also it does tell you that like she sees herself,
Speaker 3: and I don't know whether she's right wrong. I think
Speaker 3: she sees herself as like kind of indispensable, and to
Speaker 3: tweet that is like, I don't know. The show's on
Speaker 3: Paulus for the summer, so maybe she just has more
Speaker 3: time to say.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jennifer, the show's on pause, bitch, but
Speaker 1: we don't need you to be on pause, honey.
Speaker 3: Were exactly exactly, so yo, I don't know it's.
Speaker 1: Jennifer. Let's just say you may not be invited to
Speaker 1: a baby shower for our kids. Bute, girl up. Take
Speaker 1: a page out of Teresa's book. Just ignore it and
Speaker 1: just keep totally going.
Speaker 2: I get off the Twitter.
Speaker 1: Get off the Twitter, says who I hate you interrupt,
Speaker 1: but stay tuned for more. We'll be right back after
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Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. One of the most
Speaker 1: explosive things that happened is reunion. Yeah, and I need
Speaker 1: your expert opinion on this because everyone knows Gibson I
Speaker 1: did not watch all of this season because I'm sick
Speaker 1: and tired of Teresa versus Melissa. And we'll get into
Speaker 1: that later. So I caught the first two episodes and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't anymore. Then I caught the finale,
Speaker 1: which was amazing, amazing, amazing. I called Teresa's Wedding special.
Speaker 1: And then obviously I'm watching the reunion. So the most
Speaker 1: explosive thing that came out as Reunion is Louie. First
Speaker 1: of all, Louie being shirtless backstage.
Speaker 2: While the with the hot cheetos.
Speaker 1: Louie, I don't know if you're auditioning for OnlyFans, account
Speaker 1: I listen. I take tons of reunions. None of my
Speaker 1: guys have ever been shirtless that long backstage while the
Speaker 1: cameras were rolling, and I'm like, Louie.
Speaker 2: Jim chaan laundry. Yeah, that's what I was giving.
Speaker 1: It was very GTL shout out to Mikey. Yeah, Seratino,
Speaker 1: what would your thoughts about Let's just start there, Louis
Speaker 1: being shirtless for more than ten minutes while the part
Speaker 1: two where union was airing was what was that said?
Speaker 3: I think it's like his way of like puffing his
Speaker 3: chest and like kind of you know, hear me roar,
Speaker 3: like this is like like I'm not to be messed with,
Speaker 3: even though they were the men were in separate rooms,
Speaker 3: kind of divided on what team they're on, basically, like
Speaker 3: I think that was sort of his way of like
Speaker 3: being like of like flexing before, like literally flexing and
Speaker 3: also like metaphorically flexing before.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. That's kind of how I
Speaker 2: read it.
Speaker 1: I read it as I want everyone to see how
Speaker 1: good I look with I my shirt and how much
Speaker 1: means to RecA bang three times a day. So that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't as deep as what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: I think ours as much deeper, right, right, right and better. No,
Speaker 1: So Margaret made a crazy accusation that I have heard before.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, look.
Speaker 4: Allegedly, okay, Margaret has alleged that Louie contacted her son
Speaker 4: at his job and threatened him. And the reason why
Speaker 4: they know is Louie is because they track down the number, okay,
Speaker 4: and the number goes back to Louie's cell phone number.
Speaker 1: Right now, While this was occurring, there was a revelation
Speaker 1: that all the housewives across all franchises are getting hacked,
Speaker 1: and Andy is saying even he's included. Now, look, I
Speaker 1: got a lot of potential spam phone calls every single day.
Speaker 1: I may not be in the Housewives orbit current, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is my freaking information, my Fichael score
Speaker 1: is all of that exposed that it was so weird
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So bringing up his book again and this is
Speaker 3: not probe for the book, but he this, He actually talked,
Speaker 3: I never heard about this Housewives hack thing, but it
Speaker 3: was coming up a lot in the book. So, like
Speaker 3: I guess, all last year, like all the Housewives, Andy,
Speaker 3: all these people would like like their phone would start ringing.
Speaker 3: It would be like Portia Williams is calling Andy, or
Speaker 3: would be like, uh, you know, Bethy Frankel's calling Andy,
Speaker 3: and then he'd pick up and like nobody would be
Speaker 3: there or like it would be somebody else or something.
Speaker 3: It was like some weird thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then and then like I started happening with like
Speaker 3: Joy baharf View.
Speaker 2: Like all these people. I don't know whether I don't
Speaker 2: know whether his contact list got hacked or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like that's what was going on,
Speaker 3: I guess, But in the reunion it wasn't explained at all,
Speaker 3: So it was kind of like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: So I don't really know what the or they never
Speaker 3: figured it out. I don't think, but they they've all
Speaker 3: gotten phantom calls from one another basically for like a year.
Speaker 1: So thank you for breaking that down, because now it
Speaker 1: makes sense. So now that we know that Margaret is
Speaker 1: alleging that a man contacted her son at his job, yes,
Speaker 1: and the and said and threaten him, saying something along
Speaker 1: the lines of you don't want to mess up the
Speaker 1: quote it's a pot of Gibson.
Speaker 3: I'm the guy you got to worry about. That's what
Speaker 3: Harder said, is what was said.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, now that we saw Louis shortless, you have
Speaker 1: guns of steel. So do we think Louie made the
Speaker 1: phone call or do we think this is just another
Speaker 1: housewife hack.
Speaker 3: I think Andy brought up the hack to show that
Speaker 3: it feels different from that because one that was I
Speaker 3: think the hack is always between cell phones.
Speaker 2: I think it's all it's like, I think it's almost
Speaker 2: like an iPhone thing or something.
Speaker 3: But also like Andy doesn't have or like the Margaret's
Speaker 3: son's work phone would not be involved in this hack
Speaker 3: from what from what I can tell, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that number would like be coming
Speaker 3: from other than like a private investigator or somebody finding
Speaker 3: it out, you know what I mean, because they find
Speaker 3: out where he works and what have you. And I
Speaker 3: think it's interesting as we talked earlier about the Jacqulin texts,
Speaker 3: and there was no accusations of that being doctored. Within
Speaker 3: the minute that the phone records come out that show
Speaker 3: that it was Louie's number that was connected to this
Speaker 3: phone call that Margaret's sun got all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we're doctoring things and this is this is fabricated and
Speaker 3: whatever what have you. I believe the story, and I
Speaker 3: think it eight kind of scares.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Also, it's like Rachel Fuda said that you know, her
Speaker 3: adopted son's birth mother was also contacted via somebody through Louis,
Speaker 3: and like, to me, it's like, okay, now there's two
Speaker 3: instances of this like similar thing happening. So it feels
Speaker 3: like there's whether it's smoke, there's fire kind of thing, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, now that you broke it down that way,
Speaker 1: this is really scary. It's it's because look, I like
Speaker 1: a show where you have fun shade yes, where you
Speaker 1: can talk about like, you know, stupid stuff like frinkle cookies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like it when first of all, the show was
Speaker 1: housewives and one thing about Jersey, Unlike the other franchises,
Speaker 1: Jersey truly, to me, is a co.
Speaker 3: Ed Yeah, it's a it's a family show. It's not
Speaker 3: four it's not four young kids. But it's a family show.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's the men and the women in the kids,
Speaker 3: it's all, it's everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's really that show. Like the men
Speaker 1: are just as interesting and popular as the women. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I don't like it when the men get involved
Speaker 1: in their wives bs, like Lett, your wives have the BS.
Speaker 1: And what is so surprising is this. I did watch
Speaker 1: last season of Jersey and I really enjoyed it, and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the reunion. I enjoyed it last season at
Speaker 1: the reunion when Louis had Margaret's back and told Teresa like,
Speaker 1: we're listen, we're over it. I forgive you. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: It's all good. ESA's like, what the fuck you're doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, Teresa, we got to get past this. It's stupid.
Speaker 1: So that that's why for me, Gibson, I saw that
Speaker 1: happen last season So to fast forward a year later,
Speaker 1: hearing stories that this man, like, what does the sun
Speaker 1: have to do with it? That's why I'm like, is
Speaker 1: this true? Like why her son who's not on camera?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Why wait?
Speaker 3: Rachels Racholse Rachel the son, the son she's adopting his
Speaker 3: birth mother, who I guess was in jail for a
Speaker 3: while and then she got out and was contacted and
Speaker 3: went to blogs to two interviews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm so troubled by it, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying to me, Carlos, what do
Speaker 1: you think about Louie. We all think he's scary, we
Speaker 1: all think he's crazy, we all think he's blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I said to them, because I'm very honest, I
Speaker 1: said to them, because I don't watched this season, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you gots are talking about. So what
Speaker 1: I have to do Gibson is watched the whole season
Speaker 1: to have a form an opinion about Louis. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm basing this only off of what I saw last
Speaker 1: season as the reunion. Yeah, and to hear that it
Speaker 1: can snowball a year later into contacting, allegedly contacting someone's
Speaker 1: son and someone's birth mother, and then saying that he's
Speaker 1: doing this to give back at these people, because what
Speaker 1: does he have against Margaret that he will allegedly contact
Speaker 1: her son? What did I missed this season to where
Speaker 1: he would contact Margaret's son.
Speaker 3: I don't, I can't explain it, Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't really know, like the son, I think, I
Speaker 3: think what's also kind of like really to it. I
Speaker 3: don't like also when people are dragged into the mess
Speaker 3: who don't want anything to do with the show. So
Speaker 3: like Margaret's son has never wanted to be involved in
Speaker 3: the show. He's very private. There's a reason why we
Speaker 3: never see her kids, right, they don't want to be
Speaker 3: involved in the show. That's just like a privacy thing
Speaker 3: and it's been respected for the past seven years, and
Speaker 3: I think for it to be for that line to
Speaker 3: be crossed, and again there's we haven't seen I guess
Speaker 3: that we've seen the phone number that apparently Louis phone number,
Speaker 3: but like for him to be contacted and threatened by
Speaker 3: whoever did that, it's it's crossing a major line in
Speaker 3: your right. It just gets like it's all of a
Speaker 3: sudden feeling like really almost like dangerous and serious, and
Speaker 3: again like we don't know, I don't know exactly, we
Speaker 3: don't know exactly who did that, we know what the
Speaker 3: accusation is, but h it just it just feels. I
Speaker 3: also don't know why they would make it up though,
Speaker 3: Like again like it's it is, so it's so so random.
Speaker 3: So it's like, why would that all of a sudden
Speaker 3: come into it. You mentioned that we went from the
Speaker 3: reunion last year where he sort of like almost like
Speaker 3: defended Margaret to Teresa.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I agree that those things don't match up. But what
Speaker 3: also doesn't match up is like sometimes on this season
Speaker 3: he would be really encouraging of Teresa and and them
Speaker 3: to like try to move forward with Joe and Melissa,
Speaker 3: but then he also soaked the flames and helped his
Speaker 3: vibe them, so it's like, I don't He kind of
Speaker 3: does sometimes speak out of both sides of his mouth,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 1: Hard to know exactly.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to know exactly what he means sometimes,
Speaker 3: so I'm just connecting it to other behavior I've seen
Speaker 3: this season to try to extrain it, but I don't
Speaker 3: really know.
Speaker 1: No, that's so I'm glad you're here because again I've
Speaker 1: watched this season, so again I'm only forming off of
Speaker 1: things that I've seen, and I will say this, I'm
Speaker 1: really look, I hope this isn't true, because if it is,
Speaker 1: it's really bad and it's disgusting. It we're we want
Speaker 1: to be entertained, and there's nothing entertaining about sending threads
Speaker 1: and listen. I'm hoping that because what happens in one
Speaker 1: of my other shows, Gibson, which is unfortunate, is when
Speaker 1: the fans get involved and start taking things personally. On
Speaker 1: one of my shows, fans of this particular person will
Speaker 1: harass the businesses of the other cast members, like literally,
Speaker 1: like literally would find where their warehouse is Gibson and
Speaker 1: stalk them.
Speaker 2: No, that's not okay, like showy.
Speaker 1: It's scary. Like the fans, some fans get involved too much.
Speaker 1: And that's why for me, I'm like, the only other
Speaker 1: thing I could think of Gibson is did a which
Speaker 1: please tell me to a fan?
Speaker 2: Do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like that a fan do it? And somehow but
Speaker 1: but got his number. That's why all of this is weird.
Speaker 3: Again, it's very weird, and I think that it's also
Speaker 3: like what's hard about a review like this. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: like I want to like spell it out so clearly,
Speaker 3: like I want to see the paper. I want it,
Speaker 3: you know, I want like all the facts laid out,
Speaker 3: and it's hard to do that in the reunion setting
Speaker 3: sometimes because it's like obviously Teresa's going to try to
Speaker 3: shut it down immediately, like I mean understandably, so you know,
Speaker 3: we don't see the actual receipt all the time like
Speaker 3: we have. We see the paper being handed to Andy
Speaker 3: and shown, but you know, there's these things that like
Speaker 3: this is a very serious, big accusation and it's kind
Speaker 3: of an eleventh hour reveal. But I just it's very
Speaker 3: very complex and I, I don't know. It sort of
Speaker 3: leaves me speechless. I guess I don't. It's hard to
Speaker 3: it's hard to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and listen. I heard that this was a
Speaker 1: bombshell that was going to be dropped at the reunion
Speaker 1: but Gibson. I also heard this is the reason why
Speaker 1: allegedly this show was going on Paul's hm that the
Speaker 1: show is going on pause, not because of who to
Speaker 1: choose between Melissa and Teresa will again to next, but
Speaker 1: I heard that the show is going on Paul's because
Speaker 1: Margaret allegedly does not want to film with Louis because
Speaker 1: of this alleged situation, and that's what they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out.
Speaker 3: I mean that that, I mean that that would that
Speaker 3: would make sense, And I think that if I were Margaret,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't blame Margaret for if she if
Speaker 3: she believes this what she does and if this is true,
Speaker 3: which there is evidence to support it, I I don't
Speaker 3: blame her for for for being hesitant to jump back
Speaker 3: into basically working with Louis, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because the filming is working.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I hope they figure it out, and I hope that
Speaker 3: who if there, if there is like this kind of
Speaker 3: really aggressive behavior going on behind the scenes, like take it.
Speaker 3: We need we need to take a step back from
Speaker 3: that because this is it's it's not again. It's not
Speaker 3: fun to watch it when it gets when it gets
Speaker 3: to be like this.
Speaker 1: No, don't harass people, well, number one, don't harass people
Speaker 1: like fun and that's not exactly. Number two, don't involve
Speaker 1: people who are not on the fucking shows. It's very
Speaker 1: low it's it's it's it's low hanging fruit. Some people
Speaker 1: don't want to be on television. Some people really want
Speaker 1: a very private life. Marcaret's son does not want.
Speaker 3: To be on the show, right or And they're also
Speaker 3: they're also involving somebody who really wants to be on
Speaker 3: the show, and it's not on the ship Laura. They're
Speaker 3: reaching out to all these people and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: come on, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best friend Laura. So let's get into
Speaker 1: that next, Okay, because that also involves Teresa versus Melissa. Yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying this is Melissa's best reunion.
Speaker 1: I believe that a lot of people are saying Melissa
Speaker 1: was fantastic these these parts, two parts of the reunion.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Melissa's performance this reunion and
Speaker 1: does this show that she needs to stay on the
Speaker 1: Real House wass On New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that.
Speaker 3: I think that I think going into the reunion, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of the kind of prevailing mindset was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: they got a chief treamer, Melissa, Teresa. They're probably gonna
Speaker 3: chose Teresa just like quote unquote her show and all
Speaker 3: this stuff. Melissa came came in with the with the
Speaker 3: hood up the rocky entrance and she was ready to fight,
Speaker 3: and she she is using fighting where she is thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm so impressed by how quick on her feet she
Speaker 3: has this reunion. She's in three different instances she's used
Speaker 3: iconic Teresa lines and used them back on Teresa, which
Speaker 3: I think honestly genius. And I just think that she's
Speaker 3: she's leaving Teresa kind of flummix with her words a lot,
Speaker 3: and she's making some really great points and I I'm
Speaker 3: so impressed. I'm so actually entertained by it. I think
Speaker 3: that you know, so many people are so tired. You
Speaker 3: said you're one of them, You're tired of Teresa, Melissa,
Speaker 3: But this, seeing this, the gloves are off, you don't
Speaker 3: have We're not walking on eggshells for the sake of
Speaker 3: family anymore. We are saying how we really feel we
Speaker 3: are going there, and you know what, that to me
Speaker 3: has been compelling to see. It's like like this is yes,
Speaker 3: it's sort of like I think I think Melissa. She
Speaker 3: probably did. She's obviously heard that conversation about you know,
Speaker 3: are they going to keep one of them? How can
Speaker 3: they keep both? Whatever she came in this is this
Speaker 3: is maybe in her mind. This is like, all right,
Speaker 3: this is my last go to, like really fucking leave
Speaker 3: it all out there, and I respect and I respect
Speaker 3: the shit.
Speaker 1: Out of it. No, not to cut you off. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how I felt. I felt that Number one, I
Speaker 1: didn't watched this season because I was tired of Teresa
Speaker 1: versus Melissa. Yeah, However, dot Org, I was highly entertained
Speaker 1: by Teresa versus Melissa at the reunion because I felt
Speaker 1: that they both said, bitch, this is our last hurrah.
Speaker 1: They did, I am leaving everything on the motherfucking floor,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed every single bit of it. I listen,
Speaker 1: hey tree Thoggers, let's be you know me. I'm honest.
Speaker 1: I thought Melissa had a stellar reunion. I thought she
Speaker 1: was funny. I thought she was clear with her shade
Speaker 1: is her best reunion to me as well, because she
Speaker 1: wasn't the one thing that I did not appreciate about
Speaker 1: Melissa's reunions moments was I always felt like she was
Speaker 1: trying to come across as the good girl and it's
Speaker 1: like stupid, like like no, go there. And that's always
Speaker 1: been my problem with enjoying her. Right, Like, Melissa, you
Speaker 1: a bad bit, Like I said, this was about podcast,
Speaker 1: GiB said. I said, in my opinion, if Melissa would
Speaker 1: have said, look, bitch you and I this is Teresa,
Speaker 1: Look bitch you and I weren't getting along. Did I
Speaker 1: want to be on TV? Fuck? Yeah? Did I contact
Speaker 1: Carlos and Facebook for him? Yeah? Guess what. I'm an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: I'm a business woman. I went behind your back because
Speaker 1: I went behind your back because we weren't friends. We
Speaker 1: hated each other. And did I want to be on
Speaker 1: the show? Fine, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: this would be what I would say if I was Melissa.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they interview a lot
Speaker 1: of women who want to be in the show and
Speaker 1: they don't make it. So the fact that I made
Speaker 1: it and I lasted for ten plus years goes to
Speaker 1: show that I was meant to be here. And if
Speaker 1: you want me to apologize for doing it this way, fine. However,
Speaker 1: we weren't best friends, and I think people like me
Speaker 1: would say work bitch great. I like it, this is
Speaker 1: me Gibson. I like it when people own the shit
Speaker 1: and keep it going. And that's the only thing I
Speaker 1: wanted from Melissa for the past ten years. And that's
Speaker 1: why I would say today Melissa Gorga had a fantastic
Speaker 1: performance at reunion because it was the first reunion where
Speaker 1: I felt like she wasn't trying to be the good girl,
Speaker 1: she wasn't trying to like go above, and you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like she said, fuck you, I'm gonna be me.
Speaker 1: This could be my last Arah, Teresa, this could be
Speaker 1: your last Hurrah. I enjoyed Teresa being calmer and not
Speaker 1: being so defensive and just answering questions. I enjoyed the
Speaker 1: both of them, and I thought that this reunion, they
Speaker 1: both were great, and if you're gonna end this season
Speaker 1: with one of them leaving, this was a great nail
Speaker 1: in the coffin of Teresa versus Melissa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. It's been really again, really telling. I
Speaker 3: personally don't think they're going to let either of them.
Speaker 1: Goney, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, you just look at the I mean, first
Speaker 3: of all, it's it's they've if they're getting their highest ratings.
Speaker 2: In four years. First of all, so correct.
Speaker 3: So it's like even if like all of us online
Speaker 3: are talking about how we're over the feud and whatever,
Speaker 3: like there's millions of people who watch the show and
Speaker 3: are still they're still they're still drawn into it. They
Speaker 3: still and maybe maybe it's because they want to see
Speaker 3: how it quote unquote ends. I don't know, but like
Speaker 3: this this season, honestly, Carlos, for me, I want you
Speaker 3: to go back and watch it because it actually I
Speaker 3: actually really enjoyed the season, to be honest, Like okay,
Speaker 3: because their reunion is like the ultimate gloves off. But
Speaker 3: I do think that like there were moments like that
Speaker 3: within the season as well, like they were really pat
Speaker 3: I felt like last reu Knew is when they really
Speaker 3: like first acknowledged like no, we actually really don't like
Speaker 3: each other, like they so, so it kind of set
Speaker 3: up the season to be that way. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I I just can't imagine, like like it's like Trea,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine them let them say goodbye to either
Speaker 3: one of them, to be honest, especially after this reunion
Speaker 3: and how entertaining and highly rated it has.
Speaker 2: Been, I would be shocked.
Speaker 3: And like even I think there's these throwaway moments in
Speaker 3: the show and in the reunion when you know, I
Speaker 3: think Teresa Teresa said I can't wait to never look
Speaker 3: at you in the face again after this, and Andy's like,
Speaker 3: good luck with that, because like, because I think it's
Speaker 3: it's as you I'm sure are very well aware of,
Speaker 3: it's a dangerous game for any of the housewives just
Speaker 3: generally speaking, to try to to try to, you know,
Speaker 3: basically imply that they're the ones that get to make
Speaker 3: the decisions or they're the ones that are making that call,
Speaker 3: especially on casting. Like that's so that I think, to
Speaker 3: me is a slippery slope as well to play.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I'm loving this reunion, I really am.
Speaker 3: I know it's I know, I know it's I know
Speaker 3: it's dark and just in terms of like the themes
Speaker 3: and everything we're talking about, but like it's been great TV.
Speaker 1: It really has kudos to the girls, all of them,
Speaker 1: and I sold them Rank drops this Gibson. I'm a
Speaker 1: Margaret fan. Margaret came on podcast. We follow each other.
Speaker 1: I think she's great. And again I'm not somebody who
Speaker 1: kisses Teresa's ass. And I told people, I tell Margaret this.
Speaker 1: Me and Teresa are definitely friends. And the reason why
Speaker 1: we're friends is because I've always been honest with her.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who said to her this is years ago,
Speaker 1: like Teresa. I'm sorry, Melissa's great. She's pretty too, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you think so. I said, yeah, matter, I
Speaker 1: think she's great for the show. You think she's great
Speaker 1: for the show. I'm like, yeah, bitch, I think she's
Speaker 1: great for the show. Say them with Margaret. She's like,
Speaker 1: you like Margaret, I said, I actually do. I think
Speaker 1: she's great on the show.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, like I'm guessing it, like it's It's refreshing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like for some of these stars to
Speaker 3: be around people who are.
Speaker 2: Actually going to be really honest with them.
Speaker 3: It's not Jesseys people surrounding them, and that's really important,
Speaker 3: you know, and they respect that probably from you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No. The reason why me and Teresa are
Speaker 1: still friends is because I've always been honest with her.
Speaker 1: When she's wrong, I tell her when she's right. I'm
Speaker 1: always honest about what I know for sure. And I
Speaker 1: don't hate any of these women. And that's why when
Speaker 1: people say you hate Melissa, I don't hate Melissa at all,
Speaker 1: I said a nauseum. At one point in time, Melissa
Speaker 1: was great for the show, and this is before this reunion.
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. Melissa had a great reunion. She was fantastic.
Speaker 1: She was a joy to watch. I still so this
Speaker 1: is where I will disagree.
Speaker 2: With you here, Okay, bring it on.
Speaker 1: Look, gloves are off off, te There we go. I
Speaker 1: do think the ratings are high, and the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm tuning in, honey, because I am like, I want
Speaker 1: to see how this shit ends, and I am enjoying
Speaker 1: every single minute of it. I think next season, this
Speaker 1: is my prediction. Gifts and either you put Melissa on pause.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying fire her. One of two things has
Speaker 1: to happen. I then Melissa goes on pause and Teresa.
Speaker 1: Teresa proves that this show can go on without Melissa,
Speaker 1: and she'll give other storylines with the other women, because
Speaker 1: it's going to be a test. If we put Melissa,
Speaker 1: We're not gonna fiore you. Melissa, we put you on
Speaker 1: a pause, and who knows, maybe you can moderate a
Speaker 1: Brava Khan, or maybe you can host a show with
Speaker 1: Bragger Rescue. Who knows a makeover. Like I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: shit out there, Brava will give her something. Either that
Speaker 1: happens or Melissa stays. Teresa gets a spin off of
Speaker 1: Louie and the Girls, but Teresa is like Heather Locklear
Speaker 1: on Merro's play. She's a guest star on Jersey. She
Speaker 1: may not be in every single episode with the a story,
Speaker 1: but she still is around, so that way you don't
Speaker 1: miss the presidence of Teresa, but she's not full time.
Speaker 1: What I'm afraid of is I really do think we're
Speaker 1: loving this because we're like good final nell in the
Speaker 1: coffin of this story. Because if they're back together, they season,
Speaker 1: if it's going to be the aftermath of you kids,
Speaker 1: me calm the fed that Lily call these prominent investgatas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, something has to child.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm glad there, I'm glad the show
Speaker 3: is on a pause. Like they clearly at the very least,
Speaker 3: they need some space and some air, like they need
Speaker 3: they need to like breathe and like and like like
Speaker 3: they all need to look above the horizon of like
Speaker 3: the show and just like have a summer, like like
Speaker 3: go enjoy your summer, Like don't you can shore house,
Speaker 3: go to the shorehouses. You can go on Twitter and
Speaker 3: tweet things that you know might be taken whatever, but
Speaker 3: like just let's let's like settle a little bit, you
Speaker 3: know what. I mean, like, yes, it's too much. So
Speaker 3: I mean those but both those scenarios I could see.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, they're gonna probably they're gonna have
Speaker 3: to get inventive with it somehow.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what it is. I just think
Speaker 2: they're both.
Speaker 3: They're both such beloved, divisive, bankable stars for for Bravo,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's hard to imagine. I think it's
Speaker 3: just hard to imagine the world, the Bravo world without
Speaker 3: either one of them there.
Speaker 1: Especially Joe Gorga is the Beyonce of the man. He's
Speaker 1: he's like the singer of the boys, like those those
Speaker 1: Jersey boys. I mean, am I wrong? I think Joe
Speaker 1: is the reason.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I don't think you're right.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's the king b.
Speaker 3: He's the star, He's the star of the Real House
Speaker 3: Husbands of New Jersey. Absolutely like he's he's that. He's
Speaker 3: he's the anchor there. So it's a different show without
Speaker 3: one of them there. I think it needs to be
Speaker 3: a different show somehow going forward.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: I don't envy the person that has to make that decision.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: That's what I have to say. Like, I just don't,
Speaker 3: especially because it's either way. It's such a big risk
Speaker 3: too write like, either way it could any way they
Speaker 3: take it. It could result in an amazing season. It
Speaker 3: could result in something that's so refreshing, but it also
Speaker 3: could result in something that falls flat.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't. Yeah, and I'll
Speaker 1: end you with this Gibson. Every time they put a
Speaker 1: major star on pause, the show suffered. The following season, Derinda.
Speaker 1: The following season, the show went to ship Lisa Renna.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're hearing. I'm hearing. Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: started off very snoozy, and Kyle Richard did an interview
Speaker 1: with E News and said, I mean, this season is good.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of drama. Like wait what she said?
Speaker 3: You don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1: Said we're having fun, But this you called usself, I
Speaker 1: mean that's some drama. That is like you're down playing it,
Speaker 1: so that's not good. And Tamra Joe, Yeah, exactly. When
Speaker 1: Tamra came back this season, Real House Spots OC live
Speaker 1: day ratings premiered over one million viewers, which OC hasn't
Speaker 1: seen in year.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's when you know it's having the effect.
Speaker 3: So you're right, it's it's it's it's putting on pause and.
Speaker 1: It has to work. Think about it.
Speaker 3: That has to work, right, But maybe maybe the network
Speaker 3: knows that, like it's worth taking that dip for a
Speaker 3: season or two to like figure it out, just to
Speaker 3: like reset.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: You're right, it's like I don't That's why I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it looks like with either of
Speaker 3: them off the show because or on pause or whatever.
Speaker 2: They say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a juggling act.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well the.
Speaker 1: Good news is you and I do not have to
Speaker 1: make that decision, so we are in the clear. But
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