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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry recap our favorite reality shows. Every visit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Rain drives Yes. On today's episode of Reality with the King, Honey,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the most talked about reunion. No,

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Speaker 1: not fat the pump rules, honey, although we could get

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Speaker 1: into that, but no, let's also get into the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of New Jersey Part two reunion or should I

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Speaker 1: call it Teresa Versus Everybody? Yes, So I could not

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Speaker 1: do this episode alone. I am joined by Gibson John

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Speaker 1: who is the hoss Honey that we should talk podcast.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Gibson.

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Speaker 2: This is I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're part of the creation of this show, so.

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Speaker 2: I feel I feel honored that you want to have

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Speaker 2: me on Nah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you gifts and no, we follow each other on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy all of your interviews with the reality stars,

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Speaker 1: especially the housewives. You were also part of Bravo Con.

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Speaker 1: You moderated a.

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Speaker 3: Panel too, right, I did two in the first Bravo

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Speaker 3: cons and I did one with Melissa, and then there

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Speaker 3: was some other there was Giselle and Ashley and Emily Simpson,

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Speaker 3: and then the next day I did one with Dolores

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Speaker 3: and Teresa.

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Speaker 2: So I've I've you know, I've been in the belly

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Speaker 2: of the beast.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, give us some scoop, honey. How was her experience.

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Speaker 3: I've had nothing but good experiences with the Jersey ladies, because,

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Speaker 3: you know, living in New York, they and you know,

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Speaker 3: you go to events here and there, there's Bravo things whatever.

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Speaker 2: They're popping out everywhere.

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Speaker 3: When when you're when you're in New York, and so

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Speaker 3: when you're sort of in this sort of insular world

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Speaker 3: of you know, people who interview them, people who interact

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Speaker 3: with them, like they know how to play the game,

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Speaker 3: they know who they need to be friendly with and

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Speaker 3: converse with. And you know, I talked to some of

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Speaker 3: them every single season. So I've had nothing about good experiences.

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Speaker 3: I remember for the Teresa and Dolores one, it was

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Speaker 3: on the third day of Bravo Con and it was

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Speaker 3: at ten thirty in the morning. It's the first event

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Speaker 3: of the day and it's been like a long weekend.

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Speaker 3: It's the first one and you know, they they got

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Speaker 3: stuck in traffic on the way from their hotel after

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Speaker 3: doing glam so it was going to start a little late,

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Speaker 3: but Teresa, But Teresa and Dolores came in so apologetic.

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Speaker 3: It was out of their control. There was tech traffic,

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Speaker 3: but they were like, all right, let's go. When they

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Speaker 3: came to the door of they were on stage in

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Speaker 3: two minutes. Part of the conceit of the event was

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Speaker 3: to be making pasta sauce. It was like it was

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Speaker 3: like it was like the Sunday Sauce with Dolores and Teresa.

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Speaker 2: As I interviewed them, they were like cooking.

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Speaker 3: On a hot plate as I was interviewing them, and

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Speaker 3: they hadn't the producers of the panel didn't turn the

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Speaker 3: hot plate on, so we were cooking like tomato sauce

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Speaker 3: on a cold hot plate for thirty minutes. But they

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Speaker 3: were game. They were just like they're they're pros. You know,

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Speaker 3: they can they can roll with the punches and and

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Speaker 3: I've always had good experiences with them, I really have.

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Speaker 1: I love that now those are my girls. I love

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Speaker 1: his Jersey girls. And I also loved watching part two

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Speaker 1: reunion because let's just get started with the good shit, right, Gibson.

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Speaker 1: It was a blove ath. I mean, it started off with,

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Speaker 1: of course, Teresa versus Melissa. But what was so interesting

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Speaker 1: about their beef at the top of the reunion was

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Speaker 1: Jacqueline Larita's text that she sent to Jackie Golschneider last year.

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Speaker 1: And this is the gag. Jackie was not even on

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Speaker 1: the stage, okay, and Melissa and I think Margaret even

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Speaker 1: had the text message, but Melissa read the text message.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, if Jacqueline text Jackie, Jackie, you shady bitch,

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Speaker 1: I love it. So Jackie clearly sent the text message

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Speaker 1: screenshot it sent it to Melissa, and I believe Margaret

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Speaker 1: and Melissa read it. And look, that was really interesting

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Speaker 1: and also bad when you think about the reconciliation, Gibson,

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Speaker 1: that Jacqueline and Teresa had this year. Okay, how do

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Speaker 1: you reconcile feeling like this woman is trash? Had a

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Speaker 1: really read her for filth last year to only turn

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Speaker 1: around this year, have a ponderosa literally and met for

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Speaker 1: think about all of that? Is Jacqueline being two face?

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Speaker 3: Think it's just everybody looking the other way for the

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Speaker 3: of this, it's kind of like Teresa versus everybody.

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Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the feeling.

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Speaker 3: You know, she obviously has some of her allies, but

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Speaker 3: I think Teresa like knows that she has to look

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Speaker 3: past some of this stuff and to to have people on.

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Speaker 2: Her side, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And I think I mean, her and Jacqueline have the

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Speaker 3: in their shoes, in their mindset, but I think when

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Speaker 3: you're in their positions, it's like you have to let

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Speaker 3: things be water under the bridge.

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Speaker 2: You have to let bygones be bygones to move forward.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know what Teresa's endgame is

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Speaker 3: with with this, like new newfound friendship and and sort

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Speaker 2: But if I was.

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Speaker 3: If I were Jaqueline, I'd be pissed that that text

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Speaker 2: It's not a good look.

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Speaker 3: It really is not really and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: her end game is either, honestly.

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Speaker 1: No listen, and I love Jacqueline. Jacqueline's my friend. Jacqueline

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Speaker 1: was also on the podcast. When I saw the text

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Speaker 1: on the full screen, honey, because Melissa said to the

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Speaker 1: producers so they could make sure to post that shit.

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Speaker 1: So when I saw and I'm reading it with my

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty vision, I am gagging because, look, Jacqueline obviously

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Speaker 1: said it right. You can't say it was doctor. You

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Speaker 1: can't say, you know, artificial intelligence wrote this for me.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into all of that in terms of

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Speaker 1: people being yeah, well, we'll get into later about all

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Speaker 1: the Housewives or Andy Cohen being hacked. It's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: what's happening here? But Jacqueline feeling that way at the time. Look,

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Speaker 1: they weren't friends, and Jacqueline, obviously, according to her, she said,

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Speaker 1: chess move on Melissa's part to show that here you

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Speaker 1: you're believing her when she says that Joe and Melissa

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Speaker 1: allegedly called the FEDS on them or were friends what

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Speaker 1: people call the Feds on them? Do you think Melissa

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Speaker 2: No, I do not.

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Speaker 3: I think that the blame game there, I think is

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Speaker 3: there's one person to blame and it's Joe Jude, and

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Speaker 3: I just don't. I just think it's like it's kind

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Speaker 3: of the who, like the whole question about who turned

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Speaker 3: feeling about that versus I mean, as I do, you know,

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Speaker 3: talking about how Melissa got on the show, I'm kind

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Speaker 3: of just tired of talking about it. And like the

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Speaker 3: story just constantly is like evolving, and it's like this

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Speaker 3: they can't move forward, you know what I mean that

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Speaker 3: it's we're looking back and then we're also changed in

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Speaker 2: You know, And I mean for years she was saying

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Speaker 1: So I'm just.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And I think that, honestly, Melissa using that text was

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Speaker 2: I think I think you can read it as like her,

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Speaker 3: A low blow by reading it out, but like, honestly,

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Speaker 3: never said that that stuff that mean about Teresa. She's

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Speaker 3: never said stuff that mean. And the stuff that Jaquan

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Speaker 3: was saying in that text brutal. I'm sorry, that was

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Speaker 1: It really now Listen, listen, listen, because I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people think I'm a Melissa gorga hater, which

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Speaker 1: I listen, I was gagging Teresa was she was?

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't to hear that from a woman

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Speaker 1: Teresa's not stupid. She knows Jacqueline felt that way at

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Speaker 1: I think she knew, like, look, you thought that way

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Speaker 1: but overall, it was a great f you from Melissa

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Speaker 3: Think that's honestly one of Teresa's one of the qualities

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like to look past that. I would.

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed by her ability to do that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, yes, add great, now she looked past it. Now

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Speaker 1: we can't look past the fact that Andy Cohen, the

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Speaker 1: being called out by the fans, the tree thuggers, the

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Aiden fans, and all of Brava in terms of

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Speaker 3: Especially when the show is on hiatus and we're not

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Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. One of the most

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Speaker 1: explosive things that happened is reunion. Yeah, and I need

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Speaker 1: your expert opinion on this because everyone knows Gibson I

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Speaker 1: did not watch all of this season because I'm sick

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Speaker 1: and tired of Teresa versus Melissa. And we'll get into

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Speaker 1: that later. So I caught the first two episodes and

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't anymore. Then I caught the finale,

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Speaker 1: which was amazing, amazing, amazing. I called Teresa's Wedding special.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously I'm watching the reunion. So the most

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Speaker 1: explosive thing that came out as Reunion is Louie. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Louie being shirtless backstage.

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Speaker 2: While the with the hot cheetos.

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Speaker 1: Louie, I don't know if you're auditioning for OnlyFans, account

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Speaker 1: I listen. I take tons of reunions. None of my

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Speaker 1: guys have ever been shirtless that long backstage while the

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Speaker 1: cameras were rolling, and I'm like, Louie.

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Speaker 2: Jim chaan laundry. Yeah, that's what I was giving.

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Speaker 1: It was very GTL shout out to Mikey. Yeah, Seratino,

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Speaker 1: what would your thoughts about Let's just start there, Louis

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Speaker 1: being shirtless for more than ten minutes while the part

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Speaker 1: two where union was airing was what was that said?

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Speaker 3: I think it's like his way of like puffing his

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Speaker 3: chest and like kind of you know, hear me roar,

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Speaker 3: like this is like like I'm not to be messed with,

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Speaker 3: even though they were the men were in separate rooms,

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Speaker 3: kind of divided on what team they're on, basically, like

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Speaker 3: I think that was sort of his way of like

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Speaker 3: being like of like flexing before, like literally flexing and

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Speaker 3: also like metaphorically flexing before.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. That's kind of how I

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Speaker 2: read it.

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Speaker 1: I read it as I want everyone to see how

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Speaker 1: good I look with I my shirt and how much

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Speaker 1: means to RecA bang three times a day. So that

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Speaker 1: was it.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't as deep as what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 1: I think ours as much deeper, right, right, right and better. No,

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Speaker 1: So Margaret made a crazy accusation that I have heard before.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, look.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly, okay, Margaret has alleged that Louie contacted her son

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Speaker 4: at his job and threatened him. And the reason why

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Speaker 4: they know is Louie is because they track down the number, okay,

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Speaker 4: and the number goes back to Louie's cell phone number.

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Speaker 1: Right now, While this was occurring, there was a revelation

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Speaker 1: that all the housewives across all franchises are getting hacked,

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Speaker 1: and Andy is saying even he's included. Now, look, I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of potential spam phone calls every single day.

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Speaker 1: I may not be in the Housewives orbit current, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is my freaking information, my Fichael score

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00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: is all of that exposed that it was so weird

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So bringing up his book again and this is

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Speaker 3: not probe for the book, but he this, He actually talked,

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Speaker 3: I never heard about this Housewives hack thing, but it

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Speaker 3: was coming up a lot in the book. So, like

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Speaker 3: I guess, all last year, like all the Housewives, Andy,

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Speaker 3: all these people would like like their phone would start ringing.

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Speaker 3: It would be like Portia Williams is calling Andy, or

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Speaker 3: would be like, uh, you know, Bethy Frankel's calling Andy,

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Speaker 3: and then he'd pick up and like nobody would be

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00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: there or like it would be somebody else or something.

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Speaker 3: It was like some weird thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then and then like I started happening with like

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Speaker 3: Joy baharf View.

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Speaker 2: Like all these people. I don't know whether I don't

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Speaker 2: know whether his contact list got hacked or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but like that's what was going on,

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Speaker 3: I guess, But in the reunion it wasn't explained at all,

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Speaker 3: So it was kind of like, what are you talking about?

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00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: So I don't really know what the or they never

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Speaker 3: figured it out. I don't think, but they they've all

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Speaker 3: gotten phantom calls from one another basically for like a year.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for breaking that down, because now it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. So now that we know that Margaret is

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Speaker 1: alleging that a man contacted her son at his job, yes,

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Speaker 1: and the and said and threaten him, saying something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of you don't want to mess up the

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Speaker 1: quote it's a pot of Gibson.

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Speaker 3: I'm the guy you got to worry about. That's what

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Speaker 3: Harder said, is what was said.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, now that we saw Louis shortless, you have

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Speaker 1: guns of steel. So do we think Louie made the

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Speaker 1: phone call or do we think this is just another

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Speaker 1: housewife hack.

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Speaker 3: I think Andy brought up the hack to show that

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Speaker 3: it feels different from that because one that was I

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Speaker 3: think the hack is always between cell phones.

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Speaker 2: I think it's all it's like, I think it's almost

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Speaker 2: like an iPhone thing or something.

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Speaker 3: But also like Andy doesn't have or like the Margaret's

628
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Speaker 3: son's work phone would not be involved in this hack

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Speaker 3: from what from what I can tell, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that number would like be coming

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Speaker 3: from other than like a private investigator or somebody finding

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Speaker 3: it out, you know what I mean, because they find

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Speaker 3: out where he works and what have you. And I

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Speaker 3: think it's interesting as we talked earlier about the Jacqulin texts,

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Speaker 3: and there was no accusations of that being doctored. Within

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Speaker 3: the minute that the phone records come out that show

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Speaker 3: that it was Louie's number that was connected to this

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Speaker 3: phone call that Margaret's sun got all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: we're doctoring things and this is this is fabricated and

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Speaker 3: whatever what have you. I believe the story, and I

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Speaker 3: think it eight kind of scares.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Also, it's like Rachel Fuda said that you know, her

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Speaker 3: adopted son's birth mother was also contacted via somebody through Louis,

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Speaker 3: and like, to me, it's like, okay, now there's two

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Speaker 3: instances of this like similar thing happening. So it feels

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Speaker 3: like there's whether it's smoke, there's fire kind of thing, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, now that you broke it down that way,

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651
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: can talk about like, you know, stupid stuff like frinkle cookies. Yeah,

652
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like stuff like that. I

653
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: don't like it when first of all, the show was

654
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: housewives and one thing about Jersey, Unlike the other franchises,

655
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: Jersey truly, to me, is a co.

656
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: Ed Yeah, it's a it's a family show. It's not

657
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: four it's not four young kids. But it's a family show.

658
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 3: It's it's it's the men and the women in the kids,

659
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 3: it's all, it's everything.

660
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's really that show. Like the men

661
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: are just as interesting and popular as the women. Sure,

662
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: but I don't like it when the men get involved

663
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: in their wives bs, like Lett, your wives have the BS.

664
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: And what is so surprising is this. I did watch

665
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: last season of Jersey and I really enjoyed it, and

666
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the reunion. I enjoyed it last season at

667
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: the reunion when Louis had Margaret's back and told Teresa like,

668
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: we're listen, we're over it. I forgive you. Let's move on.

669
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: It's all good. ESA's like, what the fuck you're doing.

670
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: He's like, Teresa, we got to get past this. It's stupid.

671
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: So that that's why for me, Gibson, I saw that

672
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: happen last season So to fast forward a year later,

673
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: hearing stories that this man, like, what does the sun

674
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: have to do with it? That's why I'm like, is

675
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: this true? Like why her son who's not on camera?

676
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: Why?

677
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: Why wait?

678
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: Rachels Racholse Rachel the son, the son she's adopting his

679
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: birth mother, who I guess was in jail for a

680
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: while and then she got out and was contacted and

681
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: went to blogs to two interviews.

682
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm so troubled by it, because a

683
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying to me, Carlos, what do

684
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: you think about Louie. We all think he's scary, we

685
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: all think he's crazy, we all think he's blah blah blah.

686
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: And I said to them, because I'm very honest, I

687
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: said to them, because I don't watched this season, I

688
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: don't know what you gots are talking about. So what

689
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: I have to do Gibson is watched the whole season

690
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: to have a form an opinion about Louis. But again,

691
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm basing this only off of what I saw last

692
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: season as the reunion. Yeah, and to hear that it

693
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: can snowball a year later into contacting, allegedly contacting someone's

694
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: son and someone's birth mother, and then saying that he's

695
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: doing this to give back at these people, because what

696
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: does he have against Margaret that he will allegedly contact

697
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: her son? What did I missed this season to where

698
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: he would contact Margaret's son.

699
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: I don't, I can't explain it, Like I don't know,

700
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: I don't really know, like the son, I think, I

701
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: think what's also kind of like really to it. I

702
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: don't like also when people are dragged into the mess

703
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: who don't want anything to do with the show. So

704
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: like Margaret's son has never wanted to be involved in

705
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: the show. He's very private. There's a reason why we

706
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: never see her kids, right, they don't want to be

707
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: involved in the show. That's just like a privacy thing

708
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: and it's been respected for the past seven years, and

709
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: I think for it to be for that line to

710
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: be crossed, and again there's we haven't seen I guess

711
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: that we've seen the phone number that apparently Louis phone number,

712
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: but like for him to be contacted and threatened by

713
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: whoever did that, it's it's crossing a major line in

714
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: your right. It just gets like it's all of a

715
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: sudden feeling like really almost like dangerous and serious, and

716
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: again like we don't know, I don't know exactly, we

717
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: don't know exactly who did that, we know what the

718
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: accusation is, but h it just it just feels. I

719
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: also don't know why they would make it up though,

720
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: Like again like it's it is, so it's so so random.

721
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: So it's like, why would that all of a sudden

722
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: come into it. You mentioned that we went from the

723
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: reunion last year where he sort of like almost like

724
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: defended Margaret to Teresa.

725
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

726
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: I agree that those things don't match up. But what

727
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: also doesn't match up is like sometimes on this season

728
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: he would be really encouraging of Teresa and and them

729
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: to like try to move forward with Joe and Melissa,

730
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: but then he also soaked the flames and helped his

731
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: vibe them, so it's like, I don't He kind of

732
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: does sometimes speak out of both sides of his mouth,

733
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: and it's.

734
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: Hard to know exactly.

735
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to know exactly what he means sometimes,

736
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: so I'm just connecting it to other behavior I've seen

737
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: this season to try to extrain it, but I don't

738
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: really know.

739
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: No, that's so I'm glad you're here because again I've

740
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: watched this season, so again I'm only forming off of

741
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: things that I've seen, and I will say this, I'm

742
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: really look, I hope this isn't true, because if it is,

743
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: it's really bad and it's disgusting. It we're we want

744
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: to be entertained, and there's nothing entertaining about sending threads

745
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: and listen. I'm hoping that because what happens in one

746
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: of my other shows, Gibson, which is unfortunate, is when

747
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: the fans get involved and start taking things personally. On

748
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: one of my shows, fans of this particular person will

749
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: harass the businesses of the other cast members, like literally,

750
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: like literally would find where their warehouse is Gibson and

751
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: stalk them.

752
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: No, that's not okay, like showy.

753
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: It's scary. Like the fans, some fans get involved too much.

754
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: And that's why for me, I'm like, the only other

755
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: thing I could think of Gibson is did a which

756
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: please tell me to a fan?

757
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: Do it?

758
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like that a fan do it? And somehow but

759
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: but got his number. That's why all of this is weird.

760
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: Again, it's very weird, and I think that it's also

761
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 3: like what's hard about a review like this. Sometimes it's

762
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: like I want to like spell it out so clearly,

763
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: like I want to see the paper. I want it,

764
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, I want like all the facts laid out,

765
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: and it's hard to do that in the reunion setting

766
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: sometimes because it's like obviously Teresa's going to try to

767
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: shut it down immediately, like I mean understandably, so you know,

768
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: we don't see the actual receipt all the time like

769
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: we have. We see the paper being handed to Andy

770
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: and shown, but you know, there's these things that like

771
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: this is a very serious, big accusation and it's kind

772
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: of an eleventh hour reveal. But I just it's very

773
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: very complex and I, I don't know. It sort of

774
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: leaves me speechless. I guess I don't. It's hard to

775
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: it's hard to.

776
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and listen. I heard that this was a

777
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: bombshell that was going to be dropped at the reunion

778
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: but Gibson. I also heard this is the reason why

779
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: allegedly this show was going on Paul's hm that the

780
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: show is going on pause, not because of who to

781
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: choose between Melissa and Teresa will again to next, but

782
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: I heard that the show is going on Paul's because

783
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: Margaret allegedly does not want to film with Louis because

784
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: of this alleged situation, and that's what they're trying to

785
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: figure out.

786
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean that that, I mean that that would that

787
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: would make sense, And I think that if I were Margaret,

788
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: I don't I don't blame Margaret for if she if

789
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: she believes this what she does and if this is true,

790
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: which there is evidence to support it, I I don't

791
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: blame her for for for being hesitant to jump back

792
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: into basically working with Louis, you know what I mean?

793
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: Because the filming is working.

794
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: So.

795
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: I hope they figure it out, and I hope that

796
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: who if there, if there is like this kind of

797
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: really aggressive behavior going on behind the scenes, like take it.

798
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: We need we need to take a step back from

799
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: that because this is it's it's not again. It's not

800
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: fun to watch it when it gets when it gets

801
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: to be like this.

802
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: No, don't harass people, well, number one, don't harass people

803
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: like fun and that's not exactly. Number two, don't involve

804
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: people who are not on the fucking shows. It's very

805
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: low it's it's it's it's low hanging fruit. Some people

806
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: don't want to be on television. Some people really want

807
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: a very private life. Marcaret's son does not want.

808
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: To be on the show, right or And they're also

809
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: they're also involving somebody who really wants to be on

810
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: the show, and it's not on the ship Laura. They're

811
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: reaching out to all these people and it's like, oh,

812
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: come on, oh.

813
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best friend Laura. So let's get into

814
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: that next, Okay, because that also involves Teresa versus Melissa. Yes,

815
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying this is Melissa's best reunion.

816
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: I believe that a lot of people are saying Melissa

817
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: was fantastic these these parts, two parts of the reunion.

818
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Melissa's performance this reunion and

819
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: does this show that she needs to stay on the

820
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: Real House wass On New Jersey.

821
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that.

822
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: I think that I think going into the reunion, I

823
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: think a lot of the kind of prevailing mindset was like, Okay,

824
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: they got a chief treamer, Melissa, Teresa. They're probably gonna

825
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: chose Teresa just like quote unquote her show and all

826
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: this stuff. Melissa came came in with the with the

827
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: hood up the rocky entrance and she was ready to fight,

828
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: and she she is using fighting where she is thinking.

829
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: I'm so impressed by how quick on her feet she

830
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 3: has this reunion. She's in three different instances she's used

831
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: iconic Teresa lines and used them back on Teresa, which

832
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: I think honestly genius. And I just think that she's

833
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: she's leaving Teresa kind of flummix with her words a lot,

834
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: and she's making some really great points and I I'm

835
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: so impressed. I'm so actually entertained by it. I think

836
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: that you know, so many people are so tired. You

837
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: said you're one of them, You're tired of Teresa, Melissa,

838
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: But this, seeing this, the gloves are off, you don't

839
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: have We're not walking on eggshells for the sake of

840
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: family anymore. We are saying how we really feel we

841
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: are going there, and you know what, that to me

842
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: has been compelling to see. It's like like this is yes,

843
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: it's sort of like I think I think Melissa. She

844
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: probably did. She's obviously heard that conversation about you know,

845
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: are they going to keep one of them? How can

846
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: they keep both? Whatever she came in this is this

847
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: is maybe in her mind. This is like, all right,

848
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: this is my last go to, like really fucking leave

849
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: it all out there, and I respect and I respect

850
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: the shit.

851
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: Out of it. No, not to cut you off. That's

852
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: exactly how I felt. I felt that Number one, I

853
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: didn't watched this season because I was tired of Teresa

854
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: versus Melissa. Yeah, However, dot Org, I was highly entertained

855
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: by Teresa versus Melissa at the reunion because I felt

856
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: that they both said, bitch, this is our last hurrah.

857
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: They did, I am leaving everything on the motherfucking floor,

858
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed every single bit of it. I listen,

859
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: hey tree Thoggers, let's be you know me. I'm honest.

860
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: I thought Melissa had a stellar reunion. I thought she

861
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: was funny. I thought she was clear with her shade

862
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: is her best reunion to me as well, because she

863
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the one thing that I did not appreciate about

864
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Melissa's reunions moments was I always felt like she was

865
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: trying to come across as the good girl and it's

866
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: like stupid, like like no, go there. And that's always

867
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: been my problem with enjoying her. Right, Like, Melissa, you

868
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: a bad bit, Like I said, this was about podcast,

869
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: GiB said. I said, in my opinion, if Melissa would

870
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: have said, look, bitch you and I this is Teresa,

871
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: Look bitch you and I weren't getting along. Did I

872
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: want to be on TV? Fuck? Yeah? Did I contact

873
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Carlos and Facebook for him? Yeah? Guess what. I'm an entrepreneur,

874
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm a business woman. I went behind your back because

875
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I went behind your back because we weren't friends. We

876
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: hated each other. And did I want to be on

877
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: the show? Fine, But at the end of the day,

878
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: this would be what I would say if I was Melissa.

879
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they interview a lot

880
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: of women who want to be in the show and

881
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: they don't make it. So the fact that I made

882
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: it and I lasted for ten plus years goes to

883
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: show that I was meant to be here. And if

884
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: you want me to apologize for doing it this way, fine. However,

885
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: we weren't best friends, and I think people like me

886
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: would say work bitch great. I like it, this is

887
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: me Gibson. I like it when people own the shit

888
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: and keep it going. And that's the only thing I

889
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: wanted from Melissa for the past ten years. And that's

890
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: why I would say today Melissa Gorga had a fantastic

891
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: performance at reunion because it was the first reunion where

892
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I felt like she wasn't trying to be the good girl,

893
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't trying to like go above, and you know,

894
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I felt like she said, fuck you, I'm gonna be me.

895
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: This could be my last Arah, Teresa, this could be

896
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: your last Hurrah. I enjoyed Teresa being calmer and not

897
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: being so defensive and just answering questions. I enjoyed the

898
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: both of them, and I thought that this reunion, they

899
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: both were great, and if you're gonna end this season

900
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: with one of them leaving, this was a great nail

901
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: in the coffin of Teresa versus Melissa.

902
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. It's been really again, really telling. I

903
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: personally don't think they're going to let either of them.

904
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: Goney, what do you think?

905
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean?

906
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you just look at the I mean, first

907
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: of all, it's it's they've if they're getting their highest ratings.

908
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: In four years. First of all, so correct.

909
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: So it's like even if like all of us online

910
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: are talking about how we're over the feud and whatever,

911
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: like there's millions of people who watch the show and

912
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: are still they're still they're still drawn into it. They

913
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: still and maybe maybe it's because they want to see

914
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: how it quote unquote ends. I don't know, but like

915
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: this this season, honestly, Carlos, for me, I want you

916
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: to go back and watch it because it actually I

917
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: actually really enjoyed the season, to be honest, Like okay,

918
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: because their reunion is like the ultimate gloves off. But

919
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: I do think that like there were moments like that

920
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: within the season as well, like they were really pat

921
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: I felt like last reu Knew is when they really

922
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: like first acknowledged like no, we actually really don't like

923
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 3: each other, like they so, so it kind of set

924
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: up the season to be that way. So I don't know,

925
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: I I just can't imagine, like like it's like Trea,

926
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: I can't imagine them let them say goodbye to either

927
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: one of them, to be honest, especially after this reunion

928
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: and how entertaining and highly rated it has.

929
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: Been, I would be shocked.

930
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: And like even I think there's these throwaway moments in

931
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: the show and in the reunion when you know, I

932
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: think Teresa Teresa said I can't wait to never look

933
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: at you in the face again after this, and Andy's like,

934
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: good luck with that, because like, because I think it's

935
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: it's as you I'm sure are very well aware of,

936
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: it's a dangerous game for any of the housewives just

937
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: generally speaking, to try to to try to, you know,

938
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: basically imply that they're the ones that get to make

939
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: the decisions or they're the ones that are making that call,

940
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: especially on casting. Like that's so that I think, to

941
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: me is a slippery slope as well to play.

942
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I'm loving this reunion, I really am.

943
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: I know it's I know, I know it's I know

944
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: it's dark and just in terms of like the themes

945
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: and everything we're talking about, but like it's been great TV.

946
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: It really has kudos to the girls, all of them,

947
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: and I sold them Rank drops this Gibson. I'm a

948
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: Margaret fan. Margaret came on podcast. We follow each other.

949
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: I think she's great. And again I'm not somebody who

950
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: kisses Teresa's ass. And I told people, I tell Margaret this.

951
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Me and Teresa are definitely friends. And the reason why

952
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: we're friends is because I've always been honest with her.

953
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm the one who said to her this is years ago,

954
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: like Teresa. I'm sorry, Melissa's great. She's pretty too, and

955
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: she's like, you think so. I said, yeah, matter, I

956
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: think she's great for the show. You think she's great

957
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: for the show. I'm like, yeah, bitch, I think she's

958
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: great for the show. Say them with Margaret. She's like,

959
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: you like Margaret, I said, I actually do. I think

960
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: she's great on the show.

961
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure, like I'm guessing it, like it's It's refreshing.

962
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like for some of these stars to

963
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: be around people who are.

964
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: Actually going to be really honest with them.

965
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: It's not Jesseys people surrounding them, and that's really important,

966
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 3: you know, and they respect that probably from you.

967
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No. The reason why me and Teresa are

968
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: still friends is because I've always been honest with her.

969
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: When she's wrong, I tell her when she's right. I'm

970
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: always honest about what I know for sure. And I

971
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: don't hate any of these women. And that's why when

972
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: people say you hate Melissa, I don't hate Melissa at all,

973
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: I said a nauseum. At one point in time, Melissa

974
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: was great for the show, and this is before this reunion.

975
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. Melissa had a great reunion. She was fantastic.

976
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: She was a joy to watch. I still so this

977
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: is where I will disagree.

978
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: With you here, Okay, bring it on.

979
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Look, gloves are off off, te There we go. I

980
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: do think the ratings are high, and the reason why

981
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm tuning in, honey, because I am like, I want

982
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: to see how this shit ends, and I am enjoying

983
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: every single minute of it. I think next season, this

984
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: is my prediction. Gifts and either you put Melissa on pause.

985
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying fire her. One of two things has

986
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: to happen. I then Melissa goes on pause and Teresa.

987
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Teresa proves that this show can go on without Melissa,

988
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: and she'll give other storylines with the other women, because

989
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be a test. If we put Melissa,

990
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: We're not gonna fiore you. Melissa, we put you on

991
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: a pause, and who knows, maybe you can moderate a

992
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: Brava Khan, or maybe you can host a show with

993
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: Bragger Rescue. Who knows a makeover. Like I'm just throwing

994
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: shit out there, Brava will give her something. Either that

995
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: happens or Melissa stays. Teresa gets a spin off of

996
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: Louie and the Girls, but Teresa is like Heather Locklear

997
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: on Merro's play. She's a guest star on Jersey. She

998
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: may not be in every single episode with the a story,

999
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: but she still is around, so that way you don't

1000
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: miss the presidence of Teresa, but she's not full time.

1001
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: What I'm afraid of is I really do think we're

1002
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: loving this because we're like good final nell in the

1003
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: coffin of this story. Because if they're back together, they season,

1004
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: if it's going to be the aftermath of you kids,

1005
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: me calm the fed that Lily call these prominent investgatas.

1006
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, something has to child.

1007
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm glad there, I'm glad the show

1008
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: is on a pause. Like they clearly at the very least,

1009
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: they need some space and some air, like they need

1010
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: they need to like breathe and like and like like

1011
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: they all need to look above the horizon of like

1012
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: the show and just like have a summer, like like

1013
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: go enjoy your summer, Like don't you can shore house,

1014
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: go to the shorehouses. You can go on Twitter and

1015
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: tweet things that you know might be taken whatever, but

1016
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: like just let's let's like settle a little bit, you

1017
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: know what. I mean, like, yes, it's too much. So

1018
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: I mean those but both those scenarios I could see.

1019
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, they're gonna probably they're gonna have

1020
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 3: to get inventive with it somehow.

1021
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know what it is. I just think

1022
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: they're both.

1023
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: They're both such beloved, divisive, bankable stars for for Bravo,

1024
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's hard to imagine. I think it's

1025
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: just hard to imagine the world, the Bravo world without

1026
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: either one of them there.

1027
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: Especially Joe Gorga is the Beyonce of the man. He's

1028
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: he's like the singer of the boys, like those those

1029
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: Jersey boys. I mean, am I wrong? I think Joe

1030
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: is the reason.

1031
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I don't think you're right.

1032
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's the king b.

1033
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: He's the star, He's the star of the Real House

1034
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 3: Husbands of New Jersey. Absolutely like he's he's that. He's

1035
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: he's the anchor there. So it's a different show without

1036
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: one of them there. I think it needs to be

1037
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: a different show somehow going forward.

1038
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: I just.

1039
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: I don't envy the person that has to make that decision.

1040
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: That's all.

1041
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: That's what I have to say. Like, I just don't,

1042
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: especially because it's either way. It's such a big risk

1043
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: too write like, either way it could any way they

1044
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: take it. It could result in an amazing season. It

1045
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: could result in something that's so refreshing, but it also

1046
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: could result in something that falls flat.

1047
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't. Yeah, and I'll

1048
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: end you with this Gibson. Every time they put a

1049
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: major star on pause, the show suffered. The following season, Derinda.

1050
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: The following season, the show went to ship Lisa Renna.

1051
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're hearing. I'm hearing. Beverly Hills

1052
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: started off very snoozy, and Kyle Richard did an interview

1053
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: with E News and said, I mean, this season is good.

1054
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of drama. Like wait what she said?

1055
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: You don't want to hear that.

1056
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Said we're having fun, But this you called usself, I

1057
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: mean that's some drama. That is like you're down playing it,

1058
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: so that's not good. And Tamra Joe, Yeah, exactly. When

1059
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Tamra came back this season, Real House Spots OC live

1060
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: day ratings premiered over one million viewers, which OC hasn't

1061
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: seen in year.

1062
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: That's that's that's when you know it's having the effect.

1063
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: So you're right, it's it's it's it's putting on pause and.

1064
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: It has to work. Think about it.

1065
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: That has to work, right, But maybe maybe the network

1066
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: knows that, like it's worth taking that dip for a

1067
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: season or two to like figure it out, just to

1068
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: like reset.

1069
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, but.

1070
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: You're right, it's like I don't That's why I'm like,

1071
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what it looks like with either of

1072
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: them off the show because or on pause or whatever.

1073
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: They say.

1074
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a juggling act.

1075
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, well the.

1076
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: Good news is you and I do not have to

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Speaker 1: make that decision, so we are in the clear. But

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Speaker 1: know what do you think should Melissa stay or go?

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Speaker 1: Should Teresa stay or go? Or should they both stay?

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Speaker 1: As long as we're getting something different? Hit me on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Gibbs and john thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Please let the world know where you can find you,

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Speaker 1: follow you and support you.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: My First of all, thank you for having me. This

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Speaker 3: that I've had this conversation, and that's all that I want,

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Speaker 3: you know, after having these like very civil conversations that

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: O N O M A on all social media platforms.

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Speaker 3: I have a newsletter of the same name on substack,

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Speaker 3: and my podcast is called We Should Talk.

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Speaker 2: It's one episode a week.

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Speaker 3: I do one interview with a Bravo person, another reality

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. New

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