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Speaker 1: is really going through rehab big time. So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe he'll be ready. He's sure working it. Yeah. Well,

424
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: I think that even if Scurra isn't ready and you,

425
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: let's say, have to put him on publist or something

426
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 1: like that, you know you can't get through with with McCarry.

427
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: I think that he was solid. Is McCarry your long

428
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: term guy? No? I think that you want scuraback on

429
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: the field. But I guess I'm not willing to pay

430
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: what it would take to have a big upgrade at center,

431
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: if especially if Marshall Yonder retires. If Marshall retires, you

432
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: need a guard pretty badly to me in the first

433
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 1: three rounds or sign somebody pretty decent. Yeah, I think.

434
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I think interior offensive line is gonna be addressed within

435
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: the first three rounds, regardless of Marshall's decision. But even

436
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: if he doesn't retire, this is the last year. I

437
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: just think this is gonna be the least sexy draft

438
00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: we've had for a while. Guard inside, I mean, seriously,

439
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: those true to be like the least sexy. It's the

440
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 1: grunts this year. Man, the guys, and that's who it's

441
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. And you know, and if the fans, you know,

442
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: people are gonna say, oh, you know, it's boring. Yeah,

443
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. Though. Back to two

444
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: years ago, Hollywood Brown last year and you've had like

445
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: the most exciting draft of the past couple of years.

446
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any complaints about that this year. Yeah,

447
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: yeah that or do you remember the player then I

448
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: have the playoff game when you know, yeah, the defense

449
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: was getting run on and the offense was having trouble.

450
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what you need. There are those

451
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: grunts and you know that and that's what the Ravens

452
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: are all about. And that's what was surprising about that

453
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: playoff game was that, you know, physically got beaten on

454
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: both sides. We all so you have to work on that.

455
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: You have to work on that. We we were very sexy.

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: Right now we have a lot of the sex. It's

457
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: like the we've done that, the issue has totally reversed.

458
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: Like not that you're ever going to turn down a star, yeah, right,

459
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: but the Ravens have stars now they need the role players,

460
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: the very solid role players, to allow those stars to

461
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: shine because if you don't, if it takes to tango there. Yeah. Sure,

462
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: got all those Pro bowlers. Yeah, so it'll it'll be interesting.

463
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Ravens are you? I think

464
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: it's interesting John that you said pass rusher not high

465
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: in the draft because you're not gonna be able to

466
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: get hit on that. So you see pass rusher being

467
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: addressed via free agency more than you do the draft.

468
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I mean, yeah, I think there's

469
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: all every year there's great pass rushers that come out

470
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: and they're long gone by the middle of the first round.

471
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: It's like because they're so valuable, and so that's why

472
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: they make all this money. You know. There it's a

473
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: valuable commodity and the scouts that figure out who's the

474
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: good ones and occasionally one will dribble down a little bit,

475
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: but you're just not gonna get Okay, we talked about

476
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: next year, all right in proving the pass rush. Next

477
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: year a plug in play star rookie pass rusher. I

478
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: just don't think in a lot at number twenty eight overall,

479
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. Well, Like Jalen Ferguson was a

480
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: third round pack right, So so if you don't take

481
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: it at the guy that you're gonna get, it's probably

482
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a Jalen Ferguson, nice player in the second round,

483
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: third round, Like, that's probably what you're going to get.

484
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: And Jalen had a nice rookie season a lot better

485
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: than saying you're gonna come in and put up ten sacks.

486
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Is it's not likely, But I mean the guys that

487
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: typically come in and do that are the ones that

488
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: go in the top five. I mean, that's that's Nick

489
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: Bosa Joey Bosa, Jeneveon Clowney, Like, those are the guys

490
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: who go super early and make that immediate impact. Yeah,

491
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens mL has been grooming pass rushers. Yeah, anyway,

492
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Speaker 1: we're going to move Thank you John for joining us,

493
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: good insight as always, and we're gonna move on to

494
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Speaker 1: our second guest of the podcast, Kevin Rocklets Rock for

495
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: those out there, is basically the Ravens do everything, sell everything,

496
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: the guru of corporate sales here at the Ravens and

497
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: uh he finally agreed to come on. And I gotta

498
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: tell you what, Rock, When you come on the pod,

499
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: you bring the heat, bring in the heat. Just imagine

500
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: what would be like if it was during the season. Yeah,

501
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: well I'm pretty sure now you're gonna be a reliable,

502
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: uh rotational guests, like pretty much every other week. We

503
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: came in to tape the pod. For those who can't

504
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: see this, and we'll put out a photograph. But we

505
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: came in and the lounge is stocked fool streets. We're

506
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: talking beer, pizza, Dorito's chips, everything, donuts, gifts, cards. Yeah,

507
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Rocks coming on a lot more often. I know. Well,

508
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: when I turned the corner and opened the door here

509
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: to the lounge. I actually laughed out loud. Rock was

510
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of heads up and said I'm gonna bring some gifts.

511
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that he was coming quite stocks like this.

512
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I know, I know he was.

513
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't expect this. I did not expect this.

514
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: But it looks like a like a super Bowl party,

515
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: like basically the Super Bowl party set situation on the

516
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: little desk here that we have for the last Does

517
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Speaker 1: this mean you get all the beer though, because it's

518
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: your super Bowl party out here? We did it. We

519
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: did a draft for the snack draft, and I took beer,

520
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: So I know what, I'm exactly the pizza the pizza.

521
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Speaker 1: But thank you for joining us, and uh, we want

522
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: to kind of open up with just take us a

523
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: little bit behind the scenes, what's life like in corporate

524
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: sales and and tell everybody out there listening, you know

525
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: what your job entails. Well, you know, overall, our our

526
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: department is in charge of generating the revenue through partnerships

527
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: and radio and television and digital and a bunch of

528
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: other things in the organization and sweets. So we spend

529
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: every day meeting with you know, corporate clients and businesses

530
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: in the Baltimore and Washington area and trying to find

531
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: ways to partner with them and partner with us and

532
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: and do some really unique partnerships. And so we have

533
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: a great team. We've been able to do some great

534
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: things with our partners over the past few years. You know,

535
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: this year we did the McDonald's deal with the Nuggets

536
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: at the game, So there's been fun seems free the Nugs.

537
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: So it's been really good and we continue to keep

538
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: doing some some fun things and and obviously this year

539
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: going fourteen and two, it's just that much better and

540
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: we expect a lot of great things happening in so

541
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: going fourteen two and you have the v M v

542
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: P quarterback. Basically, we sell ourselves now right in your office.

543
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: That's trust me. There are people that think that, But

544
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: there are also people that think that when the season

545
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: is over that we're done and we just actually for

546
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: you guys right. Yeah. It's funny because the building, as

547
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: you guys know, it kind of changes and that we

548
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: ramp up and then as June and July some people

549
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: are out playing golf. We're trying to hit our numbers

550
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: and we're busy. So and when when the season starts,

551
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: we're kind of on the decline and we're kind of

552
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: relaxing and stuff like that, we're not as busy. And

553
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: so right now we're really really busy and and we're

554
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: putting out a lot of proposals and stuff like that.

555
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: But it's good and we were able to with the

556
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: season is get further ahead than we've ever done before.

557
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: So we got a lot renewed in the offseason, and

558
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: we just have some really really good conversations going with

559
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: companies in the area and a lot of that is

560
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: testament to our group of staff that just works tirelessly

561
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: to really deliver and take care of our clients. Well,

562
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, I joke about it, but it is. It's

563
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: awesome being the hot team in town and into the

564
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: NFL and the hottest player in the NFL and like

565
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: just going I would imagine going into these conversations like

566
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: we are hot, you know, and and that is that's fun.

567
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: Like we can all feel that through the organization digitally,

568
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, what Laar has done for us and social media,

569
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: it's a garrett. I mean, it's just it's it's just

570
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: a really fun ride. Well when you look at it

571
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: and you you know, I was down at Super Bowl

572
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: and we were meeting with a bunch of companies and

573
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: every one of the teams that saw us was like, yeah,

574
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: you guys are so You're gonna be so good for

575
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: years to come, and so that's good. But I think

576
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: it is the world has changed obviously with Garrett and

577
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: the and the social media stuff, is that people seem

578
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: much more of our stuff now because social media than

579
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: in the past when we were just this team in

580
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: this market and we were just on local TV and

581
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that, where social under Garrett's leadership, has really

582
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: transitioned us to a brand where everyone across the country

583
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: seeing what we're doing. They're seeing the type of things

584
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: that we're doing. The Lamar piece that you guys did

585
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: with the kids, it was great. I mean, I was

586
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: down with the Super Bowl and I got an email

587
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: at midnight from the League office. It was like, this

588
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: is just amazing. It's great. So those are the type

589
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: of things that are just I think have really changed

590
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: our organization and really put us forward into a light

591
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: where people are really paying attention to what's happening in Baltimore.

592
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: So along those eyes. I'm kind of curious, Like you're

593
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl and you're every team is down

594
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: there and every big brand is down there, and so

595
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: you're talking to people from all across the country. Did

596
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: you feel like it was different, Like the conversations and

597
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: the interest in the Ravens was different this year, not

598
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: just from like a selling standpoint, but just from like

599
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: an interest in a conversation standpoint. I felt like it

600
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: was more positive, and I think there was a lot

601
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: more discussion about obviously Lamar and the team and just

602
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: the way we played and the way we you know,

603
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: finished the year. I think people are just optimistic for

604
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: next year and they're excited about it. But yes, it

605
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: was different. I'm not saying that it was. You know,

606
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: the loss stung a little bit because everybody basically said,

607
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, if I had five dollars for a bit,

608
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: said hey, I thought you guys were gonna be here.

609
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: People it was just all over the place. So I

610
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: think the fans are optimistic. I think corporate partners that

611
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: look at us, I think they're looking at this market

612
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: a little differently than they have in the past, where

613
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: they see a player that's really made a huge difference

614
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: from all young kids. I mean, when you look at

615
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: the number of people that reach out to me from

616
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: other NFL teams, I know there was other people in

617
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: the building, other NFL teams have reached out to us, going,

618
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this Lamar guy. He's crazy. You know,

619
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Speaker 1: I want I wanted this, this, this, and it's just

620
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I think it's made a big difference for the young

621
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: people in football too, and and reaching segments of the population, right.

622
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's we don't have to be bashful about

623
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: saying like Africa African kids looking up to Lamar and

624
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: the audience that we've reached in our market and nationally

625
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: with African American kids and African American people of all

626
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: ages is unbelievable. And I think that's been a really

627
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: cool thing to see. It is cool, and I think

628
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: for this market where we have a heavy African American base,

629
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: to see that and these kids can identify with that,

630
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: and now the ability where they're going on maddening playing,

631
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: they're seeing it more and they're engaging with him, and

632
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: then just just you know, it's it's funny because I

633
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know Lamar. I don't hang

634
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: out and you guys are in the outside. I don't

635
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: know that he might want pizza, he might want chefs,

636
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: but I don't see. But what I do see in

637
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: him is that he really is really good with kids.

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: And when you see that at practice, in the pictures

639
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: that you guys put out socially, you see that and

640
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: you're like, he's just very genuine and so I think

641
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: that is transitioning to people in this market and across

642
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: the country, and that's why they're really engaged with him.

643
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: So speaking to Lamar, you know, I think all of

644
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: our listeners saw all the Baker Mayfield commercials this season.

645
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't get away from the Baker Mayfield commercials.

646
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: What do you expect from Lamar? Now he doesn't have

647
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: to strike a deal through the Ravens. He can do

648
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: that individually, you know, and he and his mom his

649
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: mom's manager. What do you expect from him this offseason?

650
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Because you know, obviously the star has risen there. I

651
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: don't see him doing what Baker Mayfield does, and the

652
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: reason being is I just think he's really transitioned to

653
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: make sure that the football he does the best to

654
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: bring a Super Bowl back to Baltimore. And I think

655
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: he'll focus on those things. Not to say that he

656
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: probably won't have a few brands and and a lot

657
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: of reached out to us. But I just don't see

658
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: him as doing a ton of deals and doing that

659
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: type of thing. I don't think it's critical to him.

660
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that important, you know. I just

661
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: think right now, he really wants to play football, and

662
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: I think he really loves hanging out with his teammates,

663
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: you know what I do think though I don't know

664
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: how this direct from a deal standpoint, but he's gonna

665
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: be on the cover of Matten, right, I mean, I

666
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: can't imagine anybody else in the NFL being on the

667
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: cover of Matten. You would, you would think, I mean,

668
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: and the curses over So, yeah, exactly. I don't want

669
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: to hear about the said we said, yeah we want

670
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: that because of everything I have with Kansas City. So

671
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: I think they're's probably gonna have many opportunities, whether it's

672
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: there a footwear Oakley or those type of things, They're

673
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: all going to come his way. He's just gonna have

674
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: to decide how many and which ones he wants to

675
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: participate in it. I mean, well, we will support him

676
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: and help him in any way. Um, but we're we're

677
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, we'll work with our partners to help navigate

678
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: through those things or help our partners out. It's been

679
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: interesting because he launched his own brand, Aid Apparel, which

680
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. I mean, I don't know,

681
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: you know how big. They're a huge success. They're right,

682
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're constantly sold out. And and that was

683
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: like he was like he was almost like his own

684
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: customer service, like he was answering people like I'm sorry,

685
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: sold out, it's coming in Tuesday. It's just incredible. I mean,

686
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know in the new era of like athletes,

687
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot and there's a lot of

688
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: our guys that have their own gear, so none it's

689
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: at Lamar's. But yes, it was the holiday gift for

690
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: everybody that everybody wanted Lamar gear, and when you couldn't

691
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: get jerseys, that's where you went to and so you

692
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: bought that stuff. And now it's out, so it'll be

693
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: a whole new replenish stock for this coming. I thought,

694
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: my mom and mother in law Lamar Jersey's and we

695
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: were sold out of all the women's Lamar jers. So

696
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: I didn't get kids XLS. Now Mother's Day, I have

697
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: to come back from other's day exactly retail will be

698
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: stocked up by exactly right at all. So Rock, we

699
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about you. We have

700
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: here sitting in front of us a program, a wedding

701
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: program which has which is full of ads. It is

702
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: your wedding program. You literally sold as in your wedding

703
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: program I did. It's amazing. This is two thousand one.

704
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: This is the first time thing I've ever seen of

705
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: anything like this. Yeah, I looked a lot younger back then.

706
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: You look at you look good. You look good. But

707
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: how did you come up with this idea to sell

708
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: your own wedding? Well, it sales just in your blow.

709
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: This is kind of guy. Yeah, I think that's probably

710
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: the way it is when I I believe it or not.

711
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I met my wife on a sales call, so I

712
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: pitched her a couple of times. She did not buy.

713
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: What were you pitching? She? She was the mall director

714
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: for marketing. And I kept pitching. When I was in

715
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: Dayton at the baseball team, the Dragons, and I kept

716
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: pitching her, and finally it was kind of like we

717
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: just got to be friends, and we went out and

718
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: one day it was like we're dating and that was

719
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: it kept ping and she kept turning them down. Well

720
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: that's how far Rock will go for a sale. It's like,

721
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: all right, should we go out for a date? Yea?

722
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: That was then, not now yeah, so now it's you know,

723
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: her father is a federal So when I came up

724
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: with this idea, I said, hey, I'm tired of going

725
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: to weddings where you sit in the in the church

726
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: and you don't know who's up on, you know, up

727
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: on the church, up at the front of the church,

728
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, who are these people? Like how do

729
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: they know Kevin and Melissa? So I decided to do

730
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: a bio on everybody that was in the wedding party.

731
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: So you got to sit there, and then we gave

732
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: out crayons to the kids and there's a page inside

733
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: so you can color in the crayons, so it's the

734
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: color of the pictures. So we wanted to do that,

735
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: and then then I just started to be like, Okay,

736
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna get these things printed. So I'm gonna

737
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna go ask aunch a bunch of my

738
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: clients to throw in five hundred or seven or fifty

739
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: bucks apiece, and they loved it and they thought it

740
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: was great. And now all of the my buddies are

741
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: at the wedding, now their kids are getting married and

742
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: asking me to send copies of these back to that.

743
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: I had to get some mothers made, but truly it

744
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: really was probably it's just in my blood as sales

745
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: and relationships. So that's kind of how I got into this,

746
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: and I've kind of grown through it of my years,

747
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. I mean, I started as a

748
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: basically a sports marketing guy at the University of Wyoming

749
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: and kind of came through this and and got to

750
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: the NFL. Right knowing you you probably would have sold

751
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: the ideas, right, It's like I do sponsor by Time

752
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Winner Cable exactly. Well, my best friend owns the Budweiser

753
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: distributorship in Dateton, Ohio, and he was my best man

754
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: at the wedding, and he did the toast and he's like,

755
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, on behalf of everyone. Uh, this is presented

756
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: by ant Hazard book, So it was we got a

757
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: little bit of sales in there. And he did hang

758
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: a banner up in the at the hall, so We

759
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: did do that, but we let everything else just go.

760
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: But the programs was definitely the main thing. What was

761
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: the first thing that you can ever remember selling like

762
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: as a kid, because I'll sure quick storry My mom

763
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: um once got into a gig where she would pick

764
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: people's flowers out of their garden and then go to

765
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the front door and sell them to her as tell

766
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: them to them as a bouquet. Okay, yeah, that is

767
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: pretty you can see where I get it for. I

768
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: did in your blood that. Um, So what's the first thing?

769
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: I think mine was pretty much the standard is that

770
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: I went door to door and sold lemonade. Yeah, it

771
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: was probably you know back then, that was probably the thing,

772
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: and that's what I did. Yeah, and then from there,

773
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: I just I think I got into it and got

774
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: into sports and at the University of Wyoming, and then

775
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: started from there into college sports and then in a

776
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: minor league baseball and then here right. So in all, honestly,

777
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: we have a lot of young people that listen to

778
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: the podcast that might be high school or college and

779
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: we get the question all the time, and I'm sure

780
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: you do too, is how do you get into sports?

781
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: So from a sponsorship and partnership sales side. What is

782
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: your advice to young people who have that question? Just

783
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: I think overall is find something that you really love.

784
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: And if you really love sports, you need to understand

785
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that the hours are very long and to go get

786
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: an internship. And sometimes an internship might be at a team,

787
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: it might be an agency wherever. But overall, find something

788
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: that you really love doing. Because everybody that I talked

789
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: to that are that are younger and looking to go

790
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: into sports or into this career, I'm basically like, you've

791
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: got to find something that you really really love because

792
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: working all your life is long and if you find

793
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: something you really like, it's really not work. And so

794
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I always you know, for me, I'm always shocked that

795
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: I get a paycheck because everything that I do, I

796
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: do it it's really fun. I mean, are there days

797
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: that you pull your hair out, yes, but the days

798
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: where we have that are really good. When you have

799
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: fourteen two year and the excitement at MMT is really amazing,

800
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: you really pinch yourself sometimes and be like, wow, this

801
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: is really cool. Like not very many people get to

802
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: do this right right right before we let you go

803
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: with you got to get to the most famous Kevin

804
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Rocklett story and that's when you were a star on

805
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: TV on America's Funniest Share with this story. This is

806
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: this one will go down infamy. So I got uh,

807
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: I just got out of basketball practice at Powell High School,

808
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I went and showered and got already and

809
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: then put on my nice clothes and then went over

810
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: to the choir and put on my robe to sing.

811
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm like here, I am six five at the top

812
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: riser and at that point my parents are in the

813
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: crowd and I locked my knees and I was on

814
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: the end and I grabbed the three people next to

815
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: me and yanked them all down and pulled them all

816
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: down in the middle. And it was this kid who

817
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I knew from high school. He was doing a solo

818
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: and as I will always remember, it was come on

819
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: world to this season to be jolly. And he stopped

820
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: and I fell and took everybody on the risers down.

821
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: I passed out. I took everybody down with me, and uh.

822
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: A person next to my mom was like, Carla, I

823
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: think your son just passed out. And my mom was like, what,

824
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: so what did she falling asleep or something? She was

825
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: just wasn't paying too much attench. So every year I

826
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: get a check from ABC Productions for the America's Funny

827
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: So Videos. I'm on it all the time. They showed

828
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: me back though I had a perm so that was

829
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: a little different. But I get that check every year

830
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: in December. It's for like eighty six cents, So I

831
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: always go my wife's like, why did they even send

832
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: it anymore? It costs fifty cent, but I still get it.

833
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I deposited and I just think it's funny. I get

834
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: text from my friends all year long. Their kids are

835
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: watching it and they're like, you know, they see me.

836
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: So that's my claim to fame, is that no one

837
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: will ever believe that I was on America for injury

838
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: on that I mean top Riser. That was on a Thursday,

839
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: But Friday was pretty tough day at high school. Like

840
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: we need to open up all the windows so rock

841
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: doesn't pass out. So it was it was a tough day.

842
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: It was a tough day. Thank you appreciate got a guy.

843
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: You guys enjoy it and uh and I'm sure you

844
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: know everybody down here can eat some pizza and hang out.

845
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: Food does not go lost. Well, we'll fight everybody in

846
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna hide the beer first, exactly, exactly, exactly,

847
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Speaker 1: all right, Well, well I'm having another slice of pizza.

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Speaker 1: What is that your fifth? Four? If you heard the

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Speaker 1: chewing and the burping and all that during the podcasting,

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Speaker 1: come on keep That's that's the risk you run when

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Speaker 1: you bring pizza and chips and fries and beer into

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Speaker 1: the lounge. Chips, how come there's nowhere? How come the

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Speaker 1: beer is going from the table. That's the real question.

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Speaker 1: Where that end up? Is that? I know your desk

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Speaker 1: to my back, I saw Chad walk out of here

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Speaker 1: with a couple of six packs. Thanks a good Chad,

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Speaker 1: the best all right. So, in all honesty, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much to John Isisaberg Kevin Rockolts for joining us. Good

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Speaker 1: insight both on the field and off the field today.

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Speaker 1: UM and uh enjoy talking with both of them, so

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Speaker 1: it's always you can reach to us at the lounge

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Speaker 1: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Also make sure you

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Speaker 1: leave a rating and a review on iTunes. So thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening, and we will be back with

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Speaker 1: you next week in space Stencils the expence at space

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Speaker 1: Pace space sta