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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to a special episode of the Mets Stuff Podcast.

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Speaker 2: As you could see, we are joined by Mets legend

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Speaker 2: Daniel Murphy.

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Speaker 1: The Mets have had some hitting issues.

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Speaker 2: We want to talk about hitting in general with Daniel today,

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Speaker 2: we want to talk about the David Right day as well,

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Speaker 2: so much to go over. Enough of my talking, Murph,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: How's it been? We haven't seen you in a while.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing well. Mark, How are you doing? James?

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Speaker 3: How you guys doing? Having a blast? I tried to

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Speaker 3: party all weekend, my wife and I for David's for

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Speaker 3: David celebration, and also he threw a party for Molly,

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Speaker 3: his wife, a fortieth birthday party on Friday where a

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Speaker 3: bunch of friends got a chance to get together. That

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Speaker 3: was along with the weekend celebration, so it was a

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Speaker 3: great time.

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Speaker 4: Just before we get into some of this hitting stuff, Murph,

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Speaker 4: give us another one of the highlights from this David

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Speaker 4: Red weekends.

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Speaker 1: So just looked like such an amazing event to be

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Speaker 1: a bar of.

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Speaker 3: I think him coming out on the field is one

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Speaker 3: of them. When he kind of went to third base

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Speaker 3: and just like recognized like the whole stadium, and I

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Speaker 3: think the entire Mets fan base, and David isn't one

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Speaker 3: in my experience to take in esteem like that really well.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that he took it in well

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Speaker 3: or he just enjoyed it, because he's the type of

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Speaker 3: person that wants to kind of keep it moving past

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Speaker 3: him and get it on to the next person and

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Speaker 3: let them be honored. But that whole day was about

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Speaker 3: him and the fans, whether it was the gates not

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Speaker 3: getting opened up to get the parking in, the place

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Speaker 3: was packed and so everybody was in their seats and

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Speaker 3: it was a great reception.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the traffic was crazy on that well, we

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Speaker 2: know there was a couple of people tweeting online talking

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Speaker 2: about how they couldn't believe how bad the traffic was

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Speaker 2: with the gates and everything. But glad everybody got to

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Speaker 2: get in there. Ceremony was great as always, you were

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Speaker 2: on the field. What was it like being on the

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Speaker 2: field for one of those things? I feel like that's

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Speaker 2: another like interesting vibe where there's everybody's in their seat

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Speaker 2: but there's not a game being played.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well at this point, like I'm not really

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Speaker 3: allowed to be on the field. It's like the players

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Speaker 3: get on there kind of between the lines. So just

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Speaker 3: to touch it again was was kind of take me

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Speaker 3: back in time, I think, certainly, but also it I

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Speaker 3: would say, really honored to just be able to get

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Speaker 3: on there. Honored that David asked, honored that the Mets

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Speaker 3: put it on, because as I'm walking on there, it's

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Speaker 3: just there's something sacred, honestly about getting in between those lines,

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Speaker 3: and they only let twenty six times thirty guys really

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Speaker 3: to take a pause from that and recognize, you know,

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Speaker 3: the captain, our captain in that moment, I was just

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Speaker 3: I really would I've been grateful to be a part

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Speaker 3: of all of it.

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Speaker 4: How was it the being back interacting with Terry? So

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Speaker 4: it was it was nice seing you guys together there too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's TC and I got a chance to talk

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Speaker 3: some ball. They had a Game three of the World

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Speaker 3: Series on in the boardroom. We were waiting the kind

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Speaker 3: of before we came on the field, so like my

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Speaker 3: nervous systems all activated, I started sweating the Kansas City

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Speaker 3: Royals World Series on. But it was good to talk

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Speaker 3: to TC. He's still down in Saint Lucie. He said.

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Speaker 3: He makes it up and does a little bit of

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Speaker 3: pre and post game stuff with us. And I always

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Speaker 3: enjoy listening to baseball from Terry. I mean, my first

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Speaker 3: like he came back, and my first interaction is TC

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Speaker 3: run into every minor league field throwing batting practice, hitting

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Speaker 3: ground balls like in this Florida heat down in Saint Lucy.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, this will be now I'd say fifteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Mets fans across the board love Terry

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Speaker 2: as a manager.

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Speaker 3: He's just such a big right reception stry to interrupt

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Speaker 3: you too. He's a great ovation.

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Speaker 2: He's a man like the baseball in him, and he's

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Speaker 2: been around his entire life.

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Speaker 1: Don't find too many guys like that often, No.

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Speaker 3: Not at all. So when he gets to telling a story,

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Speaker 3: if he's talking about like the minor leagues, to take

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Speaker 4: Talk, especially just you guys are making that world serious

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Speaker 4: like that makes that reception so much sweeter. How often

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Speaker 4: have you actually watched back that the tape of that series,

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Speaker 4: like you saying they played that game in the boardroom,

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Speaker 4: that kind of being a shock to the nervous system.

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Speaker 4: What is it like watching some of those players back.

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Speaker 3: Well, like the one in Game four, I've gone back

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Speaker 3: like puts a hole in my soul. And but the

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Speaker 3: Game three one, you know, it's the one where you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously David hits the home run and gets us going

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Speaker 3: and that we win. And now I haven't looked back

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Speaker 3: through a little bit of the NLDS. I didn't look

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Speaker 3: probably a little bit afraid to touch it, to be

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Speaker 3: not swinging it well, I'm not seeing it well, and

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Speaker 3: kind of trying to fake it, and so that bit

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Speaker 3: is obviously frustrating. You know, to to be able to

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Speaker 3: win the Pennant but not not win the World's championship,

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Speaker 3: is you only You only get so many shots. And

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Speaker 3: that was that was mine and and ours for that

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you mentioned going back looking at swings

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Speaker 2: knowing that stuff wasn't perfect, stuff wasn't right, which is

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Speaker 2: also hilarious to say, because you were amazing during the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But that's not that's not the main focus. What's it

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Speaker 2: like being cold? Because the Mets offense right now, while

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Speaker 2: they've played better against the Angels, I still feel like

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Speaker 2: we all agree that it's not completely clicking. There's some

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Speaker 2: What's it like as a player when you feel that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was going to say to your

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Speaker 3: and so you get the bonus game as well too,

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Speaker 3: to the chance to sweep. And no, it wasn't sharp

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Speaker 3: I think, to the Mets credit, they get there, they

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Speaker 3: So but being cold, I had two thoughts. As you

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Speaker 3: least for me personally, I would say my first thought

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Speaker 3: what I mean, do exactly what the scoreboard tells you,

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Speaker 3: You're always one swing away. But if you do with

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Speaker 3: from sex in base, you sacrifice yourself a little bit,

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Speaker 3: count thousand pitches off, you'll make yourself feel better I

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Speaker 3: think by seeing more pitches and not necessarily that's how

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Speaker 3: the scoreboard gives us a problem to solve, and it

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Speaker 3: changes on each pitch. You can see it by how

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Speaker 3: the defense moves. The count changes, like from pitch to pitch.

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Speaker 3: You can have a first basement playing back to going

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Speaker 3: to hold it and runner on like it just it changes,

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Speaker 3: and so I think that you'll get rewarded the more

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Speaker 3: as bad as you think you're going. The pitcher doesn't necessary.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't know that because as focused as you are

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Speaker 3: I'm watching him, but what's the game asking me to do?

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Speaker 3: Because it makes it a much easier attainable goal. So like,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do something to help the ball club win,

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Speaker 3: tie and run and like that's a choice because you're

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Speaker 3: fielders choice, but he gets the second and like that's

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Speaker 3: winning baseball. So I do think the more that you

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Speaker 3: like go you know, eight for your next eleven, that's

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Speaker 3: an unattainable goal. But hooking a runner for if you're left,

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Speaker 3: you're hooking a runner to third base and get him

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Speaker 3: And maybe you missed the second baseman and you hook

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Speaker 3: there's all sorts of good things can happen. I think

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Speaker 4: Was this mindset doing little things following situation scenarios. That's

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Speaker 3: I think definitely both. I had I knew some things,

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Speaker 3: I stole some stuff when I got there, but in

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Speaker 3: order to stay I was like, I got to learn

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Speaker 3: something one time that just rocked me, and this is

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Speaker 3: one thing I take with me. He goes six spatter

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Speaker 3: the inning, bases loaded, two outs, and I'll go, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm not just myself right now in the dug out,

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Speaker 3: you know, looking to see where I hit on myself

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Speaker 3: in like eleven minutes with the bases loaded in two outs.

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Speaker 3: And how many times has the pitcher thought about that situation.

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Speaker 3: I'd say probably almost zero. Yeah, And so now I

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Speaker 3: got the run on him. Like I'm on offense. I

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Speaker 3: An example of that, honestly is so We're playing in DC.

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Speaker 3: It's late in the game, and I'm hitting behind Hosey

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Speaker 2: So would you say that most of the preparation for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that does very much feel like what is

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Speaker 3: talking about bad at ball data, because like usually when

437
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Speaker 3: when a when an individual or an offense goes sideways,

438
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 3: I immediately look at like the strikeout rate, pop up rate,

439
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,640
Speaker 3: pull ground balls, like that's like you're going to be out,

440
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Speaker 3: Like that's the reason I had to retire. I started

441
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Speaker 3: doing all three of those too much, like you just

442
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Speaker 3: and so some of it we kind of as we

443
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Speaker 3: were talking, it's like a little bit of bad luck.

444
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, some of it is and

445
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Speaker 3: I'll take. I'll take like Laurence Trends at bat the

446
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Speaker 3: other day where he drove in Sodo. I thought, great

447
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Speaker 3: at bat to finish it off and be accurate, like

448
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Speaker 3: without a doubt. And I'm gonna also like the pitchers,

449
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 3: they got great stuff too, but also at the same time,

450
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Speaker 3: we all got a job to do, all right, So yeah,

451
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 3: they throw a billion with nasty breaking stuff, but like

452
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Speaker 3: we gotta runner at third base, I try to work

453
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Speaker 3: the problem backward. He has to be touching home plate,

454
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Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. And if he isn't,

455
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 3: your swings and your approach the whole way there should

456
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: show us, the fans everyone that you were trying to

457
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Speaker 3: do everything you could to get him to touch home

458
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 3: plate without a doubt. And so I think the Torrens

459
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Speaker 3: a bat did that, like late in account, he gets

460
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Speaker 3: the ball away from him, hits a low bullet, one

461
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 3: runs the bases great watching it live and again it's difficult.

462
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Speaker 3: I thought he got a number of pitches to hit

463
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the plate, that a curveball, even

464
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Speaker 3: a straight one that he could have played catch with

465
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Speaker 3: the center fielder, like I had a hitting coach my

466
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Speaker 3: first spring training, Tom mccrawl, and it was like runner

467
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Speaker 3: on third base, less than two outs, play catch with

468
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Speaker 3: the center fielder. It's like, give your body in your

469
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: mind a simple task to kind of accomplish. And so

470
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Speaker 3: I think that partly like Torrens in that spot, like

471
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Speaker 3: I know he's really good at going the other way, yes,

472
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Speaker 3: and he got a couple of balls that looked like

473
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: he was laid on trying to secure accuracy kind of

474
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Speaker 3: to right field. And so as I'm looking at the bat,

475
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Speaker 3: when you get a ball in the middle of the

476
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Speaker 3: plate with a runner and scoring position, like you've not

477
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Speaker 3: guaranteed another one of those, Like those guys are good.

478
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: And so I kind of tried to train myself that,

479
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: like even if it's my whatever you want to be

480
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Speaker 3: plus minus swing, when I get a middle ball, I'm

481
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: gonna beat these infielders and get it to the outfitters.

482
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Speaker 3: But now I failed miserably from time to time. And

483
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Speaker 3: so I guess looking at that, if I were to

484
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Speaker 3: talk to trends and this one just a specific situation,

485
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Speaker 3: is like do you think that you're setting up maybe

486
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Speaker 3: could you set up more to the middle of the

487
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Speaker 3: field or even to the pool gap a little bit,

488
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Speaker 3: so that that middle ball you get that's curving or

489
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Speaker 3: the straight one, you get your reward when you take

490
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Speaker 3: your good swing. I thought they were great swings. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 3: like he sent it. I don't know if you kind

492
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Speaker 3: of remember he centers them. They're off the right field

493
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Speaker 3: of spous and it's like, hey, good swing. It almost

494
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Speaker 3: felt like that's a really good two strike sort of

495
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Speaker 3: idea to take right there, Like you know what I mean,

496
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Speaker 3: are you okay not cheating and selling out to the

497
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Speaker 3: pool side and swinging and missing. I had no fear

498
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Speaker 3: that it looked like he was going to swing and

499
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Speaker 3: miss out front, Like can you put yourself in a

500
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Speaker 3: position then maybe you're looking to hit the left center

501
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: field gap that gets you more on time than the

502
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: right center field gap. Now I'm sure they're talking about

503
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Speaker 3: this without a doubt, you know, you know, Chobby, the

504
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Speaker 3: hitting coaches and the Guys's just as my eyes work.

505
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Speaker 3: That's you can change where you're trying to hit it.

506
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: You can change what you're trying to look for. But

507
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Speaker 3: I do think fundamentally it comes back to the scoreboard

508
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: because that's going to take so much stress off yourself,

509
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Speaker 3: like you don't really have you don't really get to

510
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Speaker 3: pick what you want to do. The scoreboard picks for you,

511
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Speaker 3: and that that can be very freeing, like just relax

512
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Speaker 3: and go do it. The scoreboard says.

513
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Speaker 4: It's funny because that exact situation happened on Sunday, happened

514
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Speaker 4: again on Monday where the mess had tied the game

515
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Speaker 4: with that late rally and then Mauricio's up with baby

516
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Speaker 4: on third, similar one out man on third and early

517
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Speaker 4: in the count. He got what you're saying, torensic got

518
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Speaker 4: that slyther in the zone. Didn't it was it was

519
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Speaker 4: low in the zone, but didn't didn't really have the

520
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Speaker 4: hard break, but he just kind of jammed into the ground,

521
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Speaker 4: hit that ground ball the Luckily when Kyla buden immediately

522
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Speaker 4: the next that bad Nimo, the veteran comes up.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't exact you said, it's the outfielder.

524
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Speaker 4: Yeah, to the outfielder serves up center field, got the

525
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Speaker 4: sack fly for the insurance run. How long, especially when

526
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Speaker 4: you see the young player like Mauricio, who he knows

527
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Speaker 4: is a bit more of a free swinger, much more

528
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Speaker 4: of the physical tools, not yet the baseball acumen versus

529
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Speaker 4: Nimo the cosmid veteran at a point, when does that

530
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Speaker 4: click happen? When's that click happen for you? When do

531
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: you see that click happening for some other young players?

532
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that like one, and I say with Mauricio,

533
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: like great job getting the ball and play. Yes, you

534
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that is like you got

535
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: to get the thing in play. You see good things happen,

536
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: and now hopefully he'll take that as a reward. You

537
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I got it in play, We

538
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Speaker 3: got the run in. Now did I swing at the

539
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Speaker 3: right ball type of thing? Was that little breaking ball

540
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Speaker 3: down in? Was that the one I wanted? If so,

541
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Speaker 3: then how can I attack the pitch in a better

542
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Speaker 3: way to miss the third basement and shortstop in the

543
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Speaker 3: air and get it to the outfield because eventually, like

544
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Speaker 3: that ball, you're out, Bady's dead. Yeah, Like that's that's

545
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Speaker 3: just I thought. Juan Mancata, like I thought, he did

546
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Speaker 3: the heavy lifting catching it, and then he really really

547
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Speaker 3: rushed the throw in a way that I think you

548
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Speaker 3: need it too. But as you get into you know,

549
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Speaker 3: later in the season in September and October, like you're out,

550
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Speaker 3: like you're just going to be out on that. So

551
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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, you take the win where

552
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Speaker 3: you're getting the run in. But at the same time,

553
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Speaker 3: how can I make this better? It's like, Okay, maybe

554
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Speaker 3: I could get a ball a little bit further up,

555
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Speaker 3: you know, and out away from me. And if I

556
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: do get that same breaking ball and it starts further

557
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Speaker 3: away from me, I have enough room to scoop it,

558
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Speaker 3: I mean, and get the thing. Maybe maybe my miss

559
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Speaker 3: now is like if it's low, it's foul. But as

560
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Speaker 3: I get it in the Eric can hook it in

561
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Speaker 3: that corner or get extra and then the sack fly.

562
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Speaker 3: And I think what you saw with Brandon was like

563
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Speaker 3: his shot pocks just moving a little slower as well

564
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Speaker 3: it should be, you know what I mean. He's got

565
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Speaker 3: more at bats and more achievements to pull on than

566
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Speaker 3: Mauricio does, and his or you know, Maurso's are coming

567
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Speaker 3: in the future, but gave himself enough time to know

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Speaker 3: that if the ball backs up on me, I don't

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Speaker 3: you know, I guess still get jammed here and beat

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Speaker 2: If when you were playing, like I guess the are

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Speaker 2: you running through these scenarios after the game with yourself?

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Speaker 2: Is this something that the hitting coach gets involved with?

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Speaker 2: What's the like relationship or typical Obviously we don't know

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Speaker 2: what's going on at the Mets right now. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 2: the dynamic between like the hitting coach and players typically

606
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Speaker 2: in a clubhouse the balltalk?

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Speaker 3: What's the ball talk look like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, are you guys going through at Mats? I

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Speaker 2: mean it's obviously it's dependent I coach and every player,

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Speaker 2: but like usually at least or in your experience, what

611
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Speaker 2: was it like.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm kind of a psycho, just asked David, probably

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Speaker 3: Kevin Long, is that I wanted to talk hitting all

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Speaker 3: the time? Yeah, Like I was always wanting to talk ball.

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Speaker 3: There was it. Some of it depends on the temperament

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Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, any sort of ball talk is gonna

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Speaker 3: come up. You know what I mean, what are you

619
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Speaker 3: thinking in this situation? What did you see? Send the dugout? Definitely,

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Speaker 3: you know the hitting coach is talking, You're formulating your

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Speaker 3: playing as you're going up there, a new picture comes in.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he's got, you know, kay Long and I

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Speaker 3: he used to pull the iPad at now. I like,

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Speaker 3: I don't mind being told what to do. So I

625
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: would look at k Long and be like, hey, this

626
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: is ball kind of does this? I go, what should

627
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: look for a two or three ball? He goes two,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do it. I almost just needed somebody

629
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Speaker 3: to confirm, like, go do this. I'm like, you got it.

630
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go as best I can. And so like

631
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Speaker 3: that's how the ball talk would go. And then you know,

632
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Speaker 3: in the hitters meetings, it's not as much. You don't

633
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: especially at home and spend as much time together like

634
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: outside the ballpark. But you go, let's say, let's go.

635
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: You go through a day and you know, you're going

636
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: to get your work done in the cage before the game,

637
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: but before batting. Price you can walk in there and

638
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: Javy and Barnes you are going to have, you know,

639
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: that day starting picture and you'll start a dialogue about

640
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: you know, what are you thinking about today? Where you

641
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: look in, Here's what this ball does, here is how

642
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: it performs. I don't know how they do meetings, Like

643
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Speaker 3: with Kevin, we would do a meeting at the beginning

644
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Speaker 3: of every series, and I really enjoyed that. I've been

645
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Speaker 3: in places where they meet every day and that wasn't

646
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Speaker 3: my favorite. That just it just got in my way,

647
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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, like it just the meeting

648
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: every day, but ka long would do you know a

649
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: meeting first game of the series that day all starting

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Speaker 3: pitchers are and then some bullpen that that day starting

651
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: pitcher and then a couple of bullpen guys, and that's

652
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: where the ball talk comes. You get in the cage

653
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: and you're mixing it up. Like the cage is the

654
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: funnest place to be in the whole dag other than

655
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: the batter's box. It's the second best place to be

656
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: in the whole stadium in my opinion, it's laid back,

657
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: it's fun. You're on offense, Like the cage is a

658
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: place for offense. Yeah, and so we're in there getting ready,

659
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: sharping in our blades up to go hunt, and so

660
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: I know, figure out what we're hunting for.

661
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish that that's had that attitude. I hope

662
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: they do.

663
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: I love the you know, sharpen our blades to go

664
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: a hunt. That's like that's a sick attitude to have

665
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: as a hit or you don't hear that too often,

666
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, but I.

667
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: Just even I hadn't thought of it before, like seriously closely,

668
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: but in the last couple of years since I've stopped playing,

669
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: like we're on offense. Yeah, Like we are on offense,

670
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: Like that's part of the price. The pitcher get paid

671
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: for going first, as he doesn't get to go last.

672
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: Like that's what we get. We get to make the

673
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: final decision with all of the information they can be

674
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: they can be had before you go and put the

675
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: ball in play. And so, like, I loved it. I

676
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: mean I always I tease my wife she pitched in college.

677
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: Wonderful pitcher, but like you know, pitchers like you're either

678
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: forty six feet from softball or sixty feet away from

679
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: the fight, like the fighter is over the strike zone.

680
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm right here next to it as close as I can.

681
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: When we were texting the other day about the games

682
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: over the weekend, you were talking to us, asking us

683
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: about like we said at the top of the show,

684
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: like splicing up some of the hard hit data, looking

685
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: at the ground balls, the flyballs, this and that. Then

686
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: there was a clip to this and why I caught

687
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: during the game on Wednesday where Luis Terrenz directly after

688
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: an at bat he had to pop up or a

689
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: ground ball or something. Didn't like the way it went,

690
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: got right into the dugout, was looking at the iPad

691
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: and Keith made a comment that I think Roni or

692
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: Gary asked him, was like, when you didn't like what

693
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: was going on, what would you do? How would you

694
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: combat that? And Keith was like, I never wanted to

695
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: look at this stuff right away, he said, I wanted

696
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: to finish my game and then start to analyze after

697
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: the game before the next one. And when you asking

698
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: us about that ground ball fly ball day, that kind

699
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: of jogged my mind a little bit. Was there, well,

700
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: were those things that you sought out at bat to

701
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: at bat as a player, those more things now you've

702
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: looked at past your time in the game as an analyst,

703
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: is there something as too much information, like an inundation

704
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: that these guys could be getting in between these at bats?

705
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: Where is that line of things you want to know

706
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: o versus things you want to know later?

707
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the inundation ends up coming down to

708
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: the individual and how you can handle it, because the

709
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: information is just that, it's information. But we have to

710
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: be able as athletes, and I think anyone is basically

711
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: distill it into something that's usable. And really it's only

712
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: usable if I can move fast enough to put it

713
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: into play. And so I was probably more along the

714
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: lines of key and the only thing I wanted to

715
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: know about my bat was like good ball or bad ball? Yeah,

716
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's kind of like what

717
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: pitch should I swing at? And so I would either

718
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: I might ask k long like was that a one ball?

719
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: Was that a zero? Do I swing at one at

720
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: my nipple? Or was it a three? You know what

721
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: I mean? And just to see how are my eyes?

722
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes I might even very often, not often at all,

723
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: but I may go and look at the video real quick,

724
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: just to see where the pitch was, but then I'd

725
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: be out of there. Mostly I wanted to watch the game,

726
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: like because I just felt like the game tells a story,

727
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: and each pitch the story changes and you get more information.

728
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: And so you know, depending on the game as well too,

729
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: like if that's my third turn at bat, like I'm

730
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: coming up again, and you might like win a ball game. Yeah,

731
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: And so it's not to say that you know, anyone

732
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: who's looking at the iPad isn't thinking that way. It's

733
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: just I was more maybe more thinking my swing right now?

734
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: Is my swing? Yeah? Today this is the one I

735
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: got good, bad or indifferent. I can't really change it.

736
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: But what I can maybe be more focused on if

737
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: I don't love my swing, and knowing that it's going

738
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: to be hard to change in the next seventeen minutes

739
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: before my next turn at bat, possibly is like get

740
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: a good ball. Watch the pitcher. Is there anything I

741
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: can eliminate? He hasn't thrown a breaking ball for a

742
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: strike in like a week. Maybe I just look for

743
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: a fast one. Now I'm not saying but these are

744
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: like trying to figure out how to win this game

745
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: and do the best I can and produce and right now,

746
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: just my swing and only thinking about that isn't isn't working.

747
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes it does. Sometimes it's like gobly, my swing feels great.

748
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: I don't need to worry about anything. The game's coming

749
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: so easily. And then sometimes like I'm standing on my head,

750
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: I can't change it now, like let me go, and

751
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: then I'll trial sort maybe the pitcher's not been very accurate.

752
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 3: I'll try to go four balls before three strikes like

753
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: that's I mean, the game is interesting now. And then

754
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: I think I just saw Freddie Freeman win a ball

755
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: game on the day game. The guy in front of

756
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: him got a three to one breaking ball. Yeah, what

757
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: like a win? Ever like? And so I thought I'll

758
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: see as well too. With the Angels. After Sugar plugged

759
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: Taylor and I hope he's okay in the head, Nato

760
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: came up, God bless him with the time run on

761
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: deck and Yolo the oh I looked like he punctured along,

762
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, that's that's a different ballgame to

763
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: the one I grew up on, Like the first off

764
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: almost certainly until with a three run lead, I'm taking

765
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: a strike until the time run gets to the play

766
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: full stop, like stop basically so well. So I was

767
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: talking to the guys in Triple A when I was

768
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: in with the Angels about that. I was like, we

769
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: would come up and they'd be down by two or three,

770
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: and the only you hear from the dugout for me,

771
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: let's get the tie and run to the plate like

772
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: that's it. And so my job is to get to

773
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: first base. So if I think you're gonna throw four

774
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: balls before three strikes, I'll take you know what I mean.

775
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: And so there's all sorts of ways to get into

776
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: the game and help it. If your swing isn't feeling

777
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: the way you want, yes, because that's just that's that's

778
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: the game. That's part of the game is you're not

779
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: always going to feel great. You can and not to

780
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: say they're not, but we can always be attentive to

781
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: the scoreboard and the guys were playing against.

782
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: We definitely tend to get super hyper focus on things,

783
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: me and James in general, and Mets fans, I think,

784
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: all across baseball with all the stats that we now

785
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: have availability with. One of my favorite ones I've been

786
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: looking at recently is about where guys are standing in

787
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: the box, where their point of intercept is all these

788
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: different stats that we now have access to that we

789
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: never did. Were those things more so specifically, like where

790
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: you set up in the box, how far away from

791
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: the plate you were? Were those one things that were

792
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: discussed with you?

793
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: And then two? Was it like you knew where you

794
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: were standing every single time?

795
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: Were you making adjustments in season or were you pretty

796
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: much like this is where I'm at, this is how

797
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: I set up.

798
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: Usually I was like, this is where I'm at, and

799
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: this is how I set up with the caveat that

800
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: it would change, but not by me specifically trying to

801
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: change it necessarily, you know what I mean? And if

802
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: I felt uncomfortable, I may move around a little bit,

803
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: but I wasn't much of a mover. I just kind

804
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: of picked my place in the box. And when not,

805
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: you know, there's a there's a place for it if

806
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 3: that helps somebody feel more comfortable. But I was more

807
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to the data, like I

808
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: I know that ten degrees beats the infield Yeah, like

809
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: only because like, but the measurement doesn't really help me.

810
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: I probably better know that when I hit a batted ball,

811
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: what will beat the infielders? Off my bat whether on

812
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: the label and I'll hit I've get a giggle down

813
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: the line before when I hit one and be like gotcha, Yeah,

814
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, right over the second basement's head.

815
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: And so I would say that I more trained myself

816
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 3: and in my work, and I say work like my play,

817
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: my warm up of trying to get that feeling of like,

818
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: this is what it feels like to beat the infielder.

819
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. This is the trajectory, not

820
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: that I need. I didn't look it up or see

821
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: how hard it is. It's like, this is what touching

822
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: second base feels like. If I'm taking front toss, if

823
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: I hit this ball, I'm gonna hit a double. If

824
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: I hit this ball, I'm going to beat the infielders.

825
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: If it's two strikes or there's a runner on third

826
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: and I want to hit it low. This is what

827
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: it feels like to hit it low the other way,

828
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: And so like, if you're gonna hit it low, you

829
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: better hit it the other way. Yeah. Is if you

830
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: pull it on the ground, you're just gonna be out.

831
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: That's just the way the game is now. And so

832
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: that I thought of it more of like ball flight

833
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: like in my soul type of thing. So when I

834
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: would take batting practice on the field, that was what

835
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: I was working on, Like just ball flight. I want

836
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: to see it come off the way I want. Because

837
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: if it's coming off the way I want all day,

838
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: if I'm swinging a bat and every time my eyes

839
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: say go, my body does what it's told and then

840
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: the ball comes off the right way, well, the only

841
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: thing now to do is just the heat on it

842
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: a little bit and go a little faster and a

843
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: little faster, and pick you a good ball and just

844
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: go do it. Just release the result type of thing

845
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: for them.

846
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: I've heard Bregman talk about exactly what you just said,

847
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: where you want to be pulling your balls in the air,

848
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: but hitting your balls low the opposite direction, like that's

849
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: how you get the most out of them. And you

850
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: talked about Neto before something else. That's so cool with

851
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: all this public backtracking day that we have now, it's

852
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: kind of finding the guys that have different approaches inside

853
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: of the same at bat. I think Netto has one

854
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 4: of the most pronounced versions of this, and we saw

855
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: that a little bit in this series, especially that bat

856
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: you said where Edward ds hits Chris Taylor in the head,

857
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: and the next pitch zack Nello was like five degrees

858
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: closed off foot on top of the plate, like elbow

859
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: right in the box, ready to go. But zak Now

860
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: is a guy who went he's early in the count.

861
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: He does big leg kick, something like called Daddy hack

862
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: swings for swings for the world. Once he gets to

863
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: do the strikes or situations like in that game, he

864
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: shortens up. He tightens up a lot. Is that something

865
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 4: that you ever did as a player. Is that's something

866
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: that you saw teammates doing multiple different swings. Was that

867
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: very situation like you had the second swing in your

868
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: back pocket, but you only pulled it out on second occasions?

869
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 4: How much does that approach change game by game, scene

870
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: by scene.

871
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'd say that I definitely had a two

872
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: strike approach. It would it could fluctuate between like a

873
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: physical adjustment like maybe choking up two more, maybe just

874
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: a mindset adjustment. So I kind of talked earlier like

875
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: maybe this at bat, I'm trying to, you know, drive

876
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: the ball in the air to right center field, like

877
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: hit a nice draw in the right center field for

878
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: a double. But as the account goes on and I

879
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: have less strikes, and if I believe the picture has

880
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: a kill shot for me, and I'll gauge that as

881
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: well too, how much of a kill shot do I

882
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: think this picture has for me? I would lower my

883
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: sights and where I wanted to hit the ball a

884
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: little bit, so I might go like left center field,

885
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: like a like a line drive in the gap left

886
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: center to hopefully give myself more baseballs to make a

887
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: decision on. Like got to catch it further out front

888
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: to get the right center than I do left center.

889
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: And that's all decision making time. Now that I give

890
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: up is I'm probably gonna hit a single the other way.

891
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: But if I got no more strikes, nothing's free in

892
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: this world. Like I got to give something up to

893
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: get something. So I think that that's definitely something that

894
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: we had and something that David did as well too.

895
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: I think back at it, guys would have two strike approach. Furthermore,

896
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: I would say, now once you and let's call two

897
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: strike approach, you're going to secure accuracy more. Yeah, like

898
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: we got no more strikes, I'm trying to be accurate.

899
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: I'd like to be accurate with a base set. But

900
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: at worst, I'm giving something up to push this ball forward.

901
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: All right, Well, now that you have that two strike approach,

902
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: and maybe it's a specific adjustment, who said you could

903
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: use that before two strikes? You could say I want

904
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: to secure accuracy with a rotor on third less than

905
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: two outs with one strike could be no strikes, depending

906
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: on what you think the pitcher's going to do to you,

907
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: how you feel at the plate. You got to have

908
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: an honest conversation with yourself about everything that's going on

909
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: around you, because, again, working the problem backwards, if there's

910
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: a runner at third base with less than two outs,

911
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to strike out. Now, I know you're

912
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: going to strike out, of course, I get it. This

913
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: is a hard game. But your approach and your swing

914
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: should say I'm not allowed to strike out. That's what

915
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: it has to look like. So if you're afraid to

916
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: hit with one strike because you might get to two

917
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: and get punched out, then when you get that good

918
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: ball in the middle, you take your two strike approach swing,

919
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: you're you're more certain of accuracy, swing, and you center

920
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: it right there with no strikes oh oh one oh

921
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: one to one, Because once you get to two strikes,

922
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: they're going to work on you. They're going like, that

923
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: is something that is without a doubt different the kill

924
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: shots that they'll go to. They're like, yeah, they're nastier curves. Now.

925
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: I will say, at the same time, I see more

926
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: uncompetitive misses and as the game more gets more modernized

927
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: than I remember seeing like balls kind of to the

928
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: backstop type of stuff. They're like, you'll see pitches they're like, oh, man,

929
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't remember anything being that uncompetitive. Yeah, kind of.

930
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: And so but when they're on the plate, they'll rip

931
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: that breaking ball. So maybe you don't want to get

932
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 3: to two strikes because you know they can kill you off.

933
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: Take your more accurate swing with one strike or no strikes,

934
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: like because the scoreboard is saying, hey, here's what we

935
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: got to do.

936
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: Has your thoughts on hitting changed? I mean, we saw

937
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: you change as a hitter throughout your career, from the

938
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: beginning of time with the Mets till when you broke

939
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: out and really started like doing some serious serious damage

940
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: with the Nationals against the Mets. Has your thoughts changed

941
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: throughout the time as a player? Were there things that

942
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: you were learning that really stuck with you?

943
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, like I I love baseball, and

944
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: that's not specifically like hitting, and so I'm very curious

945
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: about it, to be honest, Like the only times I

946
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: haven't been curious about it were like the last two

947
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: years when I first got done playing, like I just

948
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: kind of like put it away, but like watching my

949
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: boys play and getting back into it. Like I'm curious.

950
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: So I'm always like learning stuff. So I'm I try

951
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: to be humble enough to let certain things burn off

952
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: that might not need to stay and bring on other

953
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: things that I might have thought didn't, you know, weren't necessary,

954
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: like one is. I sincerely think that Babe Ruth and

955
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: Willie Mays and Lou Garrick, they play like children, like

956
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: giant children, because Babe didn't learn baseball the same way

957
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: I did, and I only speak for myself. He learned

958
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: it unsupervised with like giant bats, with just his peers,

959
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: and so he wasn't getting coached necessarily the more specific

960
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: positions that I somewhat got coached to. He wasn't taught specifically,

961
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: like you know, maybe hands inside the ball or do this.

962
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: He grew up with like a scoreboard that's like if

963
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: you want to run the bases and you have two strikes,

964
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: you better learn how to be accurate, because I ain't

965
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: never heard a child's peer here a fake foul tip

966
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: the way a coach would like. They don't work like that.

967
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: You swing and miss your out.

968
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

969
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: And so they just learned the game different and I

970
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: think that they've solved their problems differently, and their movements

971
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: and their style is different than my style, and I

972
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: dig it. And so when I'm with my boys and

973
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: the kids that I helped coach, like, I really give

974
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: them giant bats because I think it helps get in

975
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: a better position, and then just really let them have

976
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: their style. What I can help on, I think is

977
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: two things. I can hopefully help you learn how to

978
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: read a scoreboard. I can have little Brendan next to

979
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: me in our eleven U game, who's a left handed hitter,

980
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: And when the first baseman goes to hold our runner

981
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: on it first base because we do leadoffs, I'll go, hey, Brendan, three,

982
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: look at that hole over there next to the first baseman.

983
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: It looks like a big hole. And you see him

984
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: smile and like, yeah, that's right, it is a big hole.

985
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: We're on the correct side of the plate, so we

986
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: get to use that hole when a runner is on

987
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: first base, and so like I can teach you how

988
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: to look at a scoreboard and read that, and then

989
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: I can help you with accuracy, Like I can throw

990
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: you more baseball so you catch better. I can play

991
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: catch to you. You can throw you more baseballs to hit.

992
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: But your style is your style, and the accuracy bit

993
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: I think is going to come in is what the

994
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: scoreboard's telling you to do. Most of the time. The

995
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: scoreboard says go touch second base from home plate most

996
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: of the time. It says hit a double. Not all

997
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: the time, but most of the time. And if you

998
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: want to, you know you want to hit a double,

999
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: you need to play against the outfielders.

1000
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm still thinking about earlier in the show, and you

1001
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 4: said to break slump. Something you like to do was

1002
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: hit right handed in the cage, just to just to

1003
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: make yourself feel better about the lefty swing. Was there

1004
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: anything else funny you used to see teammates doing to

1005
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: break their slumps out of their funks?

1006
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys would. Guys would just grabbed They grab random bats,

1007
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: for sure. I've seen different manner of undergarment sworn under

1008
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: the uniform to try to bust out of it when

1009
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: I went back to start, not to bust out of

1010
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: the slump, but just the right handed thing. When I

1011
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: went back to play in triple A, I knew that

1012
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: all these guys have been playing baseball for two years

1013
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: and I had been on the couch getting fat. So

1014
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: I tried to What I tried to do is I

1015
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: tried to turn myself into a left hander. So like

1016
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: I started playing catch left handed, I would brushed my

1017
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: teeth left handed. I was started writing left handed because

1018
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: again I go back to Ruth, and I completely underestimated

1019
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: what type of like Movers and these guys were, and

1020
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: Lou Garrig and Stan Musual So like Ruth threw left

1021
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: handed and he wrote right handed. So like when Ruth

1022
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: came to punch you, he did it with both haymakers,

1023
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: like accurately, you know what I mean, whereas like I'm

1024
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: pretty accurate with this one, less so with my left one.

1025
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: And so I just started kind of trying to play

1026
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: this game and that was fun for me. And I

1027
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: started looking at like some of the best players we

1028
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: have in the history of our game are basically ambidextrous,

1029
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: and I think that's something that children can do very easily.

1030
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Like I played ping pong with my boys left handed.

1031
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: We do all sorts of stuff like that, and that's

1032
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: fun Like I think you got to keep it play.

1033
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: That is so funny.

1034
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: But thinking about that, because when you were your best,

1035
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: it was those playoff swings were so front handed swings,

1036
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: front handed swings, which is as a lefty, try to

1037
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: do my hands right now, yeah, right, it's your right hand, like.

1038
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: That is my lead arm. Yeah, yeah, it's my lead arm.

1039
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: Never ever, never ever clicked that together. But that's that's

1040
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: funny thing that that was more accurate.

1041
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: I think that I heard his status, like thirty thirty

1042
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: five percent of the Hall of Fame either throws or

1043
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: rights right handed, and it hits left handed. And if

1044
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: you think if you throw right handed you can play

1045
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: every position, if you hit left hand, you got the

1046
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: platoon advantage seventy five percent of the time. Yeah, so

1047
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: like it it makes sense that, like I joke with

1048
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: David so David's son Brooks, I think he's a left

1049
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: handed hitter. So I'll joke with David, so you put

1050
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: him on the proper side of the plate. I don't

1051
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: know how right handers do it. I don't know how

1052
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: they do it. I'm so like, what honestly, what Aaron

1053
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: Judge is doing, like in David Right's career in these

1054
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: right handed hitters, because that's like, that's tough living having

1055
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: a face right handed pitching all the time. So hats

1056
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: off to them because I don't know how they do well.

1057
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Then I'm gonna ask you a question, and I have

1058
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: to do this one. I'm playing in a baseball game

1059
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: for the first time in like forever this weekend. I'm

1060
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: playing against the Portland Pickles in a charity baseball game.

1061
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: So I've been taking competitive swings in quite some time.

1062
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Give me some tips.

1063
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: What's like, what's one thing that I could take into

1064
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: the box to help me have the best chance to

1065
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: possibly get a hit against people who are actually good

1066
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: to baseball?

1067
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: Smile, okay, just have some fun with it, Like, seriously,

1068
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: you want to go fast? You ever seen a child

1069
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 3: not move fast when they're playing? Yeah, they're smiling and laughing,

1070
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: Like it's your accuracy level right now is probably what

1071
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: it's gonna be. Yeah, from this podcast that we're on.

1072
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: When you walk into that box, I don't think a

1073
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: couple of baseballs and stuff I mean, if you want

1074
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 3: to cheat on the way there you got I see

1075
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 3: you got baseball stuff in the back. Start touching baseball

1076
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: is just around and touch it around the house like

1077
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: I got my bat. They're everywhere, Like that'll help you

1078
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: if you Yeah, so just like just touch them a

1079
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: little bit. But sincerely, like this the smile that you

1080
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: have right now, that'll help you go as fast as

1081
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: you're as you're gonna be able to take it, which

1082
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: will be the best you can take it.

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00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm excited. I can't wait to play again.

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00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But Murph, this is incredible. We talked to you about

1087
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: hitting for forty minutes. I don't think me and James

1088
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: ever thought that that would happen. But super super thankful

1089
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: to have you on the podcast. Let everybody know what

1090
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: you're up to. Anything you want to shout out the

1091
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: floor is yours.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, just down here in Jacksonville hanging out. My

1093
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: wife and I had. I would say thank you to

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00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: any of the Mets fans are watching the reception that

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00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: we got in City Field. I can't I can't thank

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00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: the fans enough. Like the seven line Army. Everyone, great

1097
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: show out for David and Hojo got a good good

1098
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: welcoming as well too. So it's great to see old

1099
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 3: friends who enjoyed that. And yeah, right now we got

1100
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: my oldest is going to start some football and we'll

1101
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: be we'll be back on the baseball sandlots here soon

1102
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Speaker 3: and everyone to enjoy your baseball. And now is gonna

1103
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: fun week coming up. As we see we see what

1104
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: teams start doing, the whole league feels open to me.

1105
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Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but I feel like

1106
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: the whole league feels open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm really hoping the Mets go and push some of

1109
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: these chips in and get some more guys on this

1110
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: team because it just feels like they have the pieces

1111
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: to maybe do something special.

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Speaker 1: Just got to get there.

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00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's and it could come from anywhere.

1114
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 3: I mean our team in fifteen, you've seen it. You've

1115
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: seen what the Braves were able to do. So I

1116
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: mean the additions we have. I think back to Kelly

1117
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: Johnson and Wandyer Rebay and Clifford like this and Addison

1118
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: Reid's like these. There's something about having professionals walk in

1119
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: not that you have not that you're you know, you're

1120
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: you're kicking out guys that can't play, you know what

1121
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean, sending them all. But like you know what

1122
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: a major leaguer looks like. And so like when Kelly

1123
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: Johnson rolled in and won your EBAYL, I was like, oh,

1124
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: it's about to go down. Here we go.

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Speaker 4: We were talking recently, We're like, Wow, this team could

1126
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: really use a Kelly Johnson right now. Would just love

1127
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Speaker 4: to see Kelly Johnson walk.

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Speaker 3: Through the door. Oh, kel was the best, Like he

1129
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: just he'd go out there and somebody like he could

1130
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: play every day, and he had such good at bats

1131
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: off the bench, Like that's a skill that wooh, that

1132
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: takes the temperament. Like I was on the Willie Harris

1133
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 3: used to call it the swat team, the bench players,

1134
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: and so there used to be more of us because

1135
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: pitchers used to hit. But like, there's something that you

1136
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: have to have a temperament for. And part of that,

1137
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: I think the temperaments you need to have. It's nice

1138
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: to have somebody around who's done it, because like Willie,

1139
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: we were young players in and we'd go in there

1140
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: and we'd get our teeth kicked in and a pinch

1141
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: hit appearance and be out, and we'd come back and

1142
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: we'd be upset, and Willy go, I don't, I don't

1143
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: know why you upset? You out, You might as well

1144
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: get your swings off. And so one of the things

1145
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: IA is like, you need one to get loose. That

1146
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: was Willy's big thing. He would get the first thing

1147
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: close to the plate. He couldn't pinch hit and get loose.

1148
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: But it made sense because he had been sitting on

1149
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: the bench for seven eight innings. He didn't have the

1150
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: feel of the game just yet, so he'd want to

1151
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: get a swing off to like throw his punch and

1152
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: try to get a feel for the game. Willie was

1153
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: a great pinch hitter.

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00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he was a great great outfielder too. I

1155
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: remember when he had his little roule with the Mets.

1156
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 2: At the end, he was making some crazy plays down

1157
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: at Shaye Stadium.

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Speaker 1: So shout out, shout out, Willian Harris.

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Speaker 2: That's the name movie, right. But that's it, Daniel, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Guys. That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe to the Mess of Up podcast

1163
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120
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1164
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1165
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: a review, download, subscribe. You can follow James on social

1166
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: media at James Chiano. And I'm draftingckmark with a thank

1167
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: you guys for listening and watching. Thank you Daniel Murphy

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Speaker 2: once again. We'll catch you guys on the next episode.

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Speaker 1: Peace Out,