1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,479 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to and that's what you're in the miss podcast. 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: This is a rewatch podcast. And in light of that, 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: we're having the one and only the Glee Cap Sir himself, 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Jim Cantiello. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the president of the Glee Recap. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: He started doing these back in twenty and eleven. He 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: invented the Glee recap maybe ten, you know, he really did, 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: like he did if if you weren't aware of this 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: at the time, back then, he worked on MTV News 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: and started doing these Glee recaps but in song h yeah, 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: and they would be like two two and a half 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: minutes and they were original pieces of music talking about 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: each episode. And he did it for so many seasons. 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: And just wait until this interview to hear the process 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: in which he had to do it. You're gonna my 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: jaw was on the ground. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. It's also so nice to like 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: reconnect with him because obviously we used to like run 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: into him and yes, around town and at different events 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: and things. So scrap in for the originator of the 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: Glee Cap. Truly, this is Jim Cantiello. Hell love Hi. 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: I am like floored that first of all, y'all like 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: found my weird recaps, and second I don't want to 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: talk to me about him. This is like truly full circle, 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: as Oprah says, full circle moment. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You're the exact person we need 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: to talk to. 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly please. 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: You are the king of the Glee recaps. 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 4: That's so much to you. 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: I was thinking, like I was watching some of these 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: again because obviously we saw some of the moment was happening. 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: But I was like, you would have just you would 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: have been the mayor of Glee Talk, Glee TikTok you know, yes, 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: you would have was happening now and you were on 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: TikTok was the thing back then. You would have been it. 39 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: That's very sweet of you to say, and it blows 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: my mind that y'all were watching my crazy stuff back 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: when their show is airing. Are you kid? 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: No? 43 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: No, I was very critical of your show. 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 3: I need to be honest, Well, so were we. You know, 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: That's why I always loved you too. Get on the 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: red carpet. I was like, oh, Kevin and Jenna are 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: real ones. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also like we knew you from TV, 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: you know. So it's a weird thing to like that 50 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: weird dichotomy of yes, we're on TV, but we're also 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: fans of people and grew up watching people on TV. 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: And then you meet on a red carpet and then 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: you're doing something that involves the show we're on. It's 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: very surreal. Wow, you know. 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: Okay, where do we begin? 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: Even I don't mean that's you need to take us 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: to the beginning first of all? 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: Okay, like you Glee caps? 59 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: Yes? 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 5: What was I? 61 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: Okay? 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: Caps? 63 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: I So I have the craziest story. I was an 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: intern at MTV and then the head of MTV News 65 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: at the time. One of the creative execs cross paths 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 3: with me and was like, wait, you've got a really 67 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: cool brain. You should not be a voiceover audio engineer, 68 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: which is what I was doing right out of my internship. 69 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: You should work for MTV News. So I got brought 70 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: into MTV News to do a bunch of wacky stuff 71 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: and just sort of like let my pop culture brain 72 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: run free. And one of the first things that really 73 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: connected was my American idol recaps. And I was doing 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: this thing called Idol in sixty seconds, which was sort 75 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: of my shtick. 76 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 4: I talked really fast. Oh my god. 77 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: Okay, now now I need to call out Fox right now, 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: because I know for a fact that a lot of 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: execs Fox were watching my Idol coverage. And I was 80 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: doing it for two or three seasons before Glee started. 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: So then when Glee season one started and you had 82 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: the first previously here's what you missed on Glee recap, 83 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: and it was really fast and kind of snarky. I 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: fully spittaped and was like, are they aping my MTV 85 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: recaps on this show? I'm just saying wow, not to 86 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: like give myself an ego boost, but I've always been like, 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: I know there are people that I mean, I don't 88 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: I doubt Ryan Murphy or his team were watching my things. 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: But if there was an exec that was like, we 90 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: need a snappy previously on, I'm just saying we should 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: find out. So after the Idol stuff got successful, my 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: bosses were like, well, Glee's a really big thing and 93 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: I love the pilot, and they were like, let's let's 94 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: do a new way to do Glee. Let's do Glee 95 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: in sixty seconds. And I was like, I'm so a 96 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: little tired of the sixty second recap, and also, it's 97 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: a musical show, let me do songs, not thinking that 98 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: then I would be on the hook to write a 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 3: song a week. 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, twenty two songs a season. 101 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: Well. 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Also, to be fair, Glee and sixty seconds in for 103 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: one episode is not possible. 104 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot going. 105 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: There were eighty storylines, eighty cast members, one. 106 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: Hundred percent especially, but I didn't really start recapping, I think, 107 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: until oh god, I should have done my research on 108 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: my own stuff. It was season one or season two. Ye, 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: it's season two of Glee, you guys. That was my 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: first Glee cap ever. So it was the premiere season two. 111 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: I had like a season to figure out how the 112 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: hell I would cover it? 113 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: And then yeah, so it starts okay, Yeah, So I 115 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: started to recap Lee on a weekly basis via song. 116 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: So via song. So that was your idea, but then 117 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: got locked into it. 118 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: You're the maniac that signed yourself up for that. 119 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Yes, you, it was your idea, Hubert, But you went 120 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: to Tish in New York, so you had a musical 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: theer background, I'm assuming. 122 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, y'all did your research. I was a 123 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: film nerd. I was a film student. In my class 124 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: was John Watts, who directed the Zendaia Spider Man movies, 125 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: and Jake Shreyer, Who's done a bunch of cool stuff. 126 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: He did a lot of GEF nominated for a bunch 127 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: of Emmy's. I have a lot of famous. I'm like 128 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of like a forest gump of pop culture. 129 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: I was like high school friend with Lynn Manuel Miranda. 130 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: Oh my surreal to like walk past magazine as I'm. 131 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: Going to the edit room reading ground of creativity genius 132 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: because I'm not. 133 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: Myself in the same universe as people. 134 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 4: But anyway, anyway, I was a film nerd, and then. 135 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: I so I yes, I did not really have musical 136 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: theater background a little bit. In fourth grade, my upper 137 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: middle class upbringing public school had a composer class for 138 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: like music nerds, and I had taught myself how to 139 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: play piano, and so I got weirdly with this composer 140 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: guy when I was in fourth grade. 141 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: How old are you? 142 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: Eight or nine years old? So I've always kind of 143 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: been making my own melodies up in some capacity, But 144 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm not a classically trained musician by any stretch nor vocalist. 145 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: As you can tell by all of my Gleek caps. 146 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: I can't believe I sang weekly. You did? 147 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: You sang weekly? And they were great? They were there 148 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: really make me, they make me giggle. 149 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: Maybe that film nerd training made you able to, you know, 150 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: dissect Idol in sixty seconds, dissect the finer points of 151 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Glee to put to a song that's right. 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: Thank you. 153 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: I always came from like if I was an exec 154 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: noting the shows that I love, what what? Like? That 155 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: was sort of my energy, like I love these shows 156 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: so much, like why aren't they the best thing ever? 157 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: And here's my issue with them? And let me go. 158 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: And then the other thing I want to say about 159 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: Glee is you you know, the Gleek fan base was 160 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: so unreal. I had been dealing for years with the 161 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: Idle fan base and the Idol team peeps are their 162 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: own beast and one full in their own. 163 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: Way, but Glee was this whole other thing. 164 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: And there was so much conversation around the show from 165 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: a week to week basis, especially like the heyday of 166 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: Twitter just really pop in, right. So a lot of 167 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: my job was sort of capturing that conversation and injecting 168 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: that into a song, because I will be honest. By 169 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: the middle of season two, I was kind of over 170 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: your show a little bit and was like, oh, classic 171 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy. No offense to your old boss, but like 172 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: he's really good with the first season and can't keep 173 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: that shit up in seasons two plus, and I was like, 174 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: the wheels are coming off, and it just was kind 175 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: of maddening to watch it, to send into madness, especially you. 176 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: Were a fan, like you were legitimately a fan of 177 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: the show, and so that way, yeah, oh my god, 178 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: though you watch something you're like, oh, this is almost there. 179 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: Why didn't it just do this? But you had like 180 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: a public outlet to talk about it, and boy was 181 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: wild to let me do that. 182 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: Honestly. 183 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because it's controversial, like season three. We're 184 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: on season three right now. We're recapping season three, and 185 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: it is I would say majority people's favorite season. 186 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: Okay, now here. So I was really into the cleaner scene. 187 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: Season three is when Claine really became a thing, and 188 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: I found that I was like a beacon of hope plotline, 189 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: like let's let's finally give Kirt something to do that's 190 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: not just like trauma, but for a while there was 191 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: like hope, like, yes, let's have this character be happy 192 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: and Darren Chris so charming. 193 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: Let's let's do it. 194 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: So I love and I love the feedback I was 195 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: getting from cleaners, so I really leaned into that. Yeah, 196 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: as like the thing I told the storyline. It had 197 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: so much fun recapping that storyline in particular. 198 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: So the original song was the one that was like, 199 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: it's one of your best ones and it's like a 200 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: fan favorite obviously because of the cleaners. Was that that 201 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: I thought that must have been the beginning of it all. 202 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: Was You're like they kissed and like that's and then 203 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: the cleaners were like, okay, we're in a turning. 204 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: Yes they claims were mad at me. Yes, one the 205 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: cleaners were real mad at me. Because there was one 206 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: crazy recap with like a gong. I had just seen 207 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: Soup John Stevens do his Age of Odds tour, like 208 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: probably like the night before a good album. Oh my god, 209 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: it's so crazy, and he was just so great on 210 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 3: stage and was like really loose with his movement and 211 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I'll just like ape Soup John for 212 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: this thing. But in that recap, I said something like 213 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: Glanes of Jerk, the worst the Clans of tourp the 214 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: worst kind of a jerk accidentally made Kirk think that 215 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: he likes him. It's also crazy that I remember these lyrics. 216 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's very impressive. 217 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: You know my favorite wait, I'm like my adhd my brains, 218 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: go and stay with me with my favorite Glee lyric, 219 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: My gleecap lyric is the Britney parody where it to 220 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: the tune of every time I was calling out how 221 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: the tribute episodes never had plots, so it was like 222 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: Glee is structured like a porn. They talk and then 223 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: perform shoes are scenes are shoehorned. Who needs story? 224 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 4: Baby? 225 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: I was always so proud of that. That is very 226 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: good and make you buy more soundtracks, baby, I think 227 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: was another line something like a calling out box, just 228 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: being like, we don't care about the show anymore. 229 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: But they give us the song, give us the give 230 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: us the. 231 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: We had that realization when we were recapping the Brittany episode, 232 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: because like, oh yeah, this was not about anything. 233 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: Nohing happens here. 234 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: It was fun, but it's Britney. 235 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: You're like, okay, sure, okay. 236 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: Now looking back now that the memoirs out and Michelle 237 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: Williams is giving an award worthy performance. 238 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: So don't you dare Okay, well, it's clear to everyone 239 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: that she was not in the best place emotionally or anything. 240 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: That I worked on the X factor with her, So 241 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: you know I am implicit too, we all are. I'm 242 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: just dying to know if you guys had any like 243 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: memories of like that episode being like, oh, okay, well, yeah. 244 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: We did when we did talk about how I don't 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: know to say this in a nice way, because I 246 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: do think if you've read things, read the book and 247 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: all that where she had zero control over what was 248 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: happening and was so there was somebody always right there 249 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: with her, and I remember at some point the joy 250 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: of like, oh my god, our idol is here, being like, oh, 251 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: this is so weird. We feel so bad for her, 252 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: but had absolutely nothing to do. We're like, we can't 253 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: even believe she made it here. Like that, it felt 254 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: like is she going to show up today? And then 255 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: she did, like is she going to be able to 256 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: like speak? And then when the camera was on she 257 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: was it was like she snapped back to normal. She 258 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: was like a normal person and incredible and so like 259 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: when you see us on screen with her, those were 260 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: the only moments where it's like you're interacting with a 261 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: real human being, and she was present, and then the 262 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: camera would go off and then people yeah, and people 263 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: would form in and then she looked like lost in 264 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: the flood sort of thing, and it was it was 265 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: really disturbing, and everyone was honestly like happy that it 266 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: was over because like the press, you know, it was 267 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: a really joyful set. We were like a bunch of 268 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: kids who are obsessed with each other. The crew, we 269 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: were obsessed with it. Like everyone was very into each 270 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: other and very supportive, and we're singing these songs making 271 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: people laugh, and it's you know, we're not over there 272 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: curing cancer where it's a joyful experience most of the time, 273 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: and her coming in was abrupt switch to something else. 274 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Well, everybody was really quiet, like it's not usually very 275 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: quiet on set. It was silent, and they're like, Brittany's 276 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: coming in, okay, and it's silent, and then you don't 277 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: see her until the cameras. It's right, like you literally 278 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: don't see her face until the cameras roll, and then 279 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: it's like there's there's nothing like and it's hard because 280 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: you're meeting your We were meeting our hero. Ryan put 281 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: us in that scene with Brittany, with Heather and Kevin 282 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: because he knew we were like probably the biggest Brittany 283 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: fans of the cast, and it was it was really tough. 284 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: It's really sad. 285 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: Because you also want to root for them, like he 286 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: was exited. 287 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: It's like we were all rooting for her and it 288 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: was like, yes, no, she should be working, like yes, like, yes, 289 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: she wants to work, right, so. 290 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: You want to see her alive and thrive. 291 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: I was happy though that she got to at least. 292 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: I was like, I hope she enjoyed the little time 293 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: that she was shooting on the show. 294 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: Like I. 295 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: She looked like she was into it. She was interacting 296 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: with Ran like, oh is that good? Can I do 297 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: that again? I want to tay something different. You're like, oh, 298 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: you're and obviously you're naturally gifted performer, like you can act, 299 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: you can dance, you can sing, like you know how 300 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: to do this, and so seeing that was wonderful. But 301 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: it was, you know, for a few seconds at a 302 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: time exactly that you said you had a similar experience. 303 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, working on The X Factor was wild. 304 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: You know. 305 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: I was part of a live pre show that we 306 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: were streaming and like helping the show, you know, trend 307 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: before it would go live on broadcast, and we would 308 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: often get live interviews with the judges, including Brittany and 309 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: I remember the first time when they were like, Britney's 310 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: going to do. 311 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: Your show, and I was like live because you know, I. 312 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: Wasn't at this point. I was an MTV host. I 313 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: had done so many interviews with big people like Beyonce, 314 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, and you know, anytime you get to a 315 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: certain level, it's very rare that they'll do something live 316 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: with you, especially on the internet in twenty eleven or 317 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: twenty twelve whenever this was so it was very like, wait, 318 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: what she's going to come do much She's going to 319 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: talk to me live backstage moments before she's going to 320 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: go live on television, okay, And it was very much like, well, 321 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: she needs to know every question you're going to ask, 322 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: and it was like, okay, fine, happy to do that. 323 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: We're not asking hard hitting questions for the PEPSI sponsored 324 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: X Factor, you know, pre show and my strategy, and 325 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: this was kind of something I always did as an 326 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: interviewer with MTV because I was always kind of like 327 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: a fan and like a I wasn't a classically trained journalist. 328 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: I was like, I just want my my heroes to 329 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: be normal people. 330 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 4: I want it. 331 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: It was right around Thanksgiving, so I'm like, Oh, I 332 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: want to spend the whole interview talking to her about 333 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: what Britney Spears does at Thanksgiving? 334 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: What's on her plate? 335 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: Like that's it and she loves she came alive. And 336 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: actually by heard from a lot of fan base, a 337 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: lot of Britney fans that they loved the couple of 338 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: interviews I did with her because it was the most 339 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: like the real Brittany that they ever, you know, they 340 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: had seen in many years. Because it was like I 341 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: was like, oh, let me talk to your dog. She 342 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: had just gotten Hannah. I was like, can I just 343 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: talk to your dog for ninety seconds? And she was 344 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: like thrilled about it, but was so wild about the experience. 345 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: Was the whole operation around her was like a military thing. 346 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: It was like what time is the hit? Oh, she's 347 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: gonna okays. It takes her seventy four seconds to get 348 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: from her dressing room to this position. They like had 349 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: a time to the second and we're on a live 350 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: broadcast and it's like is she coming? Is she coming? 351 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: And she got like, I don't want to say wheeled in, 352 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: but she kind of got like whisked in maybe forty 353 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: five seconds before we were going live and was like 354 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: there and then as soon as we were off, it 355 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: was like she got whisked right. 356 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: Onto the stage and that was it. So that was 357 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: it was wild. 358 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: It was interesting, but she had like her people around 359 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: her at all times, Like, yeah, anyway, man, I didn't 360 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: mean to derail that. 361 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 4: No. 362 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: Original Sun Season three Oh okay, now wait a second. Yes, 363 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: Season three was when I was Simon Cowell hired me 364 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: away from him TV for three days a week to 365 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: work on The X Factor, and I taped several I 366 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 3: taped two Glee caps on the set of The X 367 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: Factor backstage one. Yeah. One of them is soft focused sexing. 368 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: The one about when clan and when clan actually do it, 369 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: they bone. Yeah, it's totally like the press area of Factors. Kevin, 370 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: you and I very briefly had moments where we crossed 371 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: backstage at the X Factor, and I don't think neither 372 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: of us were out of the closet at that moment. 373 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: But I had a moment where we like locked eyes, 374 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: and I was like, I had a moment of like 375 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: heaven and oh no, I think Kevin knows my Glee 376 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: caps or maybe he just thinks I'm hot. But wait, 377 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if I like guys. 378 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: It was very confusing. 379 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 6: It was probably well maybe both, you know, we were 380 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 6: just it was like you gay, bro, Yeah, wait, you're 381 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 6: singing weekly recaps about Glee and so yeah, I was 382 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 6: obsessed with X Factor and then I was doing the 383 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 6: Pepsi commercials for X Factor because of some so Simon 384 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 6: liked us. 385 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I didn't do anything with Simon. I 386 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: would like to know. Was there a specific process in 387 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: your creating of the Glee caps? 388 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 389 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: Yes, and what did that look like? 390 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 3: This is so hilarious to me. Okay, So I just 391 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: never in my million years would think that anyone would 392 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: care this one until I asked if I got my process? 393 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: I got parody songs, Okay, my process? It started well, Okay, 394 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: so I was on the East Coast of the time. 395 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: I now live in LA but it was New York 396 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: and I did not work for Fox. I worked for MTV. 397 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 3: Which was a Viacom thing, and you know, corporate powers, 398 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: they don't know. So Fox was not giving me screeners, 399 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: so I had to wait every week eight pm or 400 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 3: nine pm whenever y'all were on. I'm sorry I forgot 401 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: watch the episode and then write a song. Then it 402 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: was the middle of the night because my bosses were like, oh, 403 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: it's the Internet. You've got to have it up the 404 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: next morning when people are waking up and are searching 405 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: Glee recap, we want you in the Google results. So, Jim, 406 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: you're working overnights forever. And I was used to this 407 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: at this point because my American Idol. That's how I'm 408 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 3: in my American novel recaps. I would work, I would 409 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: be a great I would be a vampire. 410 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: And there was a wait a second, were you doing both? Yeah, 411 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: at the same time, because we followed American Idol for 412 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: a while. 413 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I was doing both. 414 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: So it's the same night I would do. 415 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: No, Okay, wait, no. 416 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 4: Season two is different. 417 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: I think maybe one after And that's probably why I 418 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: didn't recap season one, because it was knee deep in idle, 419 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: that makes sense. And in season two it was like 420 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: you guys started in September. 421 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: I started sweating for you. 422 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did. I was working like forty 423 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: hour ships regularly. I gave MTV so many years of 424 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: my life based on my production schedule, truly, and I 425 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 3: had to tape them myself. I'd edit them myself. I 426 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: need to record, I had to do everything. So there 427 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: came a point overnight. So there came a point where 428 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I can't do this. So I started 429 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: to pre write some ideas for songs, okay, and then 430 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: I started to be like, you know, I'm not really 431 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: a song. So I kind of hit walls where I'm like, 432 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: how do I get around this? And I'm like, oh, 433 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: I want to do a Paul simon Ish song. Let 434 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: me take inspiration. I like, oh, let me try one 435 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: that sounds like a ben a Bad ben Fold song. 436 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, let me do like 437 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: a weird do wop thing with like multiple people. It 438 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: was just keeping myself entertained and challenging myself. Can I 439 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: write a Lindsey Buckingham Fleetwood Mac song for Fleetwood Mac week? 440 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: Okay? 441 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: That was kind of my process, and so. 442 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: You just could do whatever you wanted, like no one 443 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: was approving this checking up on you. 444 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: No no, no, I had so I shout out my 445 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 3: MTV exacs. 446 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 4: No, no, no. 447 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: There were exacts at MTV who would at least like 448 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 3: look at my my lyrics to make sure I wasn't 449 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: saying something that would get them sued. 450 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: They were so supportive. 451 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: I met this one dude, Garth Bardsley was sort of 452 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: the he wasn't a supervising producer. He would whatever, he's 453 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: a senior producer to me at some point and I 454 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: remember him watching one and he gave me like one 455 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: little performance note because he was a musical theater guy, 456 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, you should really like whatever. And 457 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 3: then the next time I like did it, and he 458 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: was like keep going that route. Like he gave me 459 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: the word of encouragement, like really push yourself and performance 460 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: like live in the moment with your songs. 461 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 4: I was like, thanks, Garth. 462 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: So now there was someone checking in, and then someone 463 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: would have to give a check mark in the morning 464 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: when it was like nine in the morning and I'd 465 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: been up for like twenty four hours and like. 466 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Is this good? 467 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god, and then srying that they're like there 468 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: was a big fight with whether I could say the 469 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: word erection. I had to. I was trying to rhyme 470 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: something election and erection, as you do, you know, as 471 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys gave me such podder. 472 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. 473 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: In the Brittany episode, she doesn't Sue walk into a 474 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: kid jerking off. 475 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 4: That's like problematic? 476 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure it was. 477 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: Thank god she won an Emmy for this, right, I 478 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 3: shouldn't know that anyway. 479 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: Mmmm, give Jane all the awards. Jane's a lot of Emmys. 480 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 5: Well. 481 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: And then Josh Sussman, who played Jacob Venerzio, who was 482 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: the kid who actually was the one doing the deed. 483 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: He he got a lot of hate mail after that, 484 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: like really bad hate mail and more good. Yeah, it 485 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: was really bad. He came on the show and talked 486 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: about it. 487 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: But did you get any blowback like for many of yours, 488 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: like talking to Josh talking about how he had to 489 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: like mentally deal with all these people going after him 490 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: as if he were the actual character. Did you, you know, 491 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: reap any of the blowback for any of your recaps? 492 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: Thank goodness, No, I'm so thankful that I did not 493 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: exist in current day Internet, because my IDOL recaps, in 494 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: particular you know, I said some nasty stuff. I was 495 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: certainly capturing conversation, but as a society online we were 496 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: shockingly even nastier back then. I feel like interesting, So 497 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: there are certain jokes. Now if I watch a recap, 498 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I know I'm coming from a certain 499 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 3: place of whatever, but out of context, this is work. 500 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: So at the time I was doing Glee, I had 501 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: been through the fire with crazy Idol fans. Not to 502 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: bring politics into this, but I learned so much about 503 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: dealing with Trump people. And this is nothing against who 504 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 3: I'm about to cite and his fans, but there was 505 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: a certain fan base on season eight of American Idol. 506 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: I won't even say their names because I don't want 507 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: more blowback, but dealing with the Glamberts, I'm saying it. 508 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: Dealing with the Glamberts was so intense, and it was like, oh, 509 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: these are cult members. There is nothing I can do. 510 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: There's no amount of praise I could give this person. 511 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: So having survived that, the Glee world was fine. I 512 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: would get fans of characters. If I said something nasty 513 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: about a character would get but I was like, relaxed, right, 514 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: Evin can handle this, like you know I was trying. 515 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: I did try my hardest to focus my ire for 516 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: the show towards the producers and not I answer you guys. 517 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, since you started the show as a Glee 518 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: fan initially, did you have like favorite characters and favorite 519 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: moments before the cleaners all came in and claimed you. 520 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. I thought the pilot was so glorious. 521 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 3: I thought that, like just everything about it was so 522 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: promising and the energy was just out of control. 523 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: I loved. 524 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I always really dug the 525 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: Kurt stuff. I just found Chris's whole the whole thing 526 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: about his character being on this major primetime show I 527 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: thought was really cool and radical, and for the most part, 528 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: although it was a pretty trauma heavy and they never 529 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: let the dude be happy, I still was like rooting 530 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: for it really cool way. I really did always like 531 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: the Artie stuff, Kevin. I'm not just saying that just because, 532 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: like I thought they used you really well. I would 533 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: have loved more from it, But also at the same time, like, eh, yeah, 534 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: I always I was like kind of friendly with Corey, 535 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 3: so I was always rooting for him to have really 536 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: good storylines. I'm sorry this is not a great answer 537 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: to your question, Jenna, It's good. 538 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: This is good. 539 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: I don't have like, I don't have like big number 540 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: moments where I'm like, I loved that. 541 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 4: You know, a lot of Glee fans have the like 542 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 4: my cover. 543 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: I was never into the soundtrack stuff like I love 544 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: it in the show, but I love the context of 545 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: the show. Kidspop for me, and I'm like, you know, 546 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: I was listening to like Deer Hunter and The War 547 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: on Drugs and like Indie. 548 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was It's shocking that you were even watching 549 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: the show in the first place, in the. 550 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: Show but couldn't take it outside my my yeah. 551 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we needed the context. 552 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: I needed to be in the context of the show, which. 553 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: Also makes sense why when we had sort of like 554 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: a juke Bucks episode that it was like, I need 555 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: the story. I really need this story because I don't 556 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: care about these performances. 557 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: So now I have a controversial question for you. When 558 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: did you It's not really that controversial. You finished. I 559 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: think you stopped doing these after season four, right, So 560 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: did you leave MTV at that point where you like, 561 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm done with Glee, thanks so much anymore? 562 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 3: It was a little both so I left MTV after 563 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: my first season on The X Factor. I had a 564 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: real taste of making the sausage instead of talking about 565 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: the sausage totally. And I was married to a woman 566 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: at the time, and she got a job at USC 567 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: and I was like, yes. 568 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 4: Let's move to LA. 569 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: The stars are aligning, Like you're going to pursue this 570 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: like a may You're a professor now, like, yes, I 571 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: can work in TV. I'm we're going to work on 572 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: The X Factor season two. I can find other jobs, 573 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: so I separate. I you know, MTV very generously offered 574 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: me in a you know, a really nice deal to 575 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: continue my time there, but I was just kind of 576 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: over it. 577 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: There was. 578 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: I just felt like I had done what I could 579 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: do there. I highlighted a few shows for them that 580 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: I was really proud of that or I piloted one show, 581 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: but a lot of digital stuff too. And just like 582 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, the MTV that I grew up 583 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 3: on is not the MTV the tier. I don't have 584 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: the power to make it what I wanted to be. 585 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: I'll never get it. I'm too weird, I'm not attractive enough, 586 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm not this, that or the other thing. 587 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 4: I'm going bald. 588 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: All of that stuff was factoring in, like I'm in 589 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: the Youth. 590 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 4: Network and I'm losing my hair. 591 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: What do I do? And I also had a lot 592 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: of imposter syndrome because I was like I was a 593 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: person who got thrown on air, like I was a producer. 594 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to be a person. And then now 595 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: I'm interviewing Taylor Swift after Kanye crashes her thing at 596 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 3: the VMA's like wait, I'm interviewing Madonna. Like it was 597 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: like I know I could do it. Of course I 598 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: could do it, but it was still I got a 599 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 3: lot of Facebook messages. Remember Facebook, Lol, I got a 600 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 3: lot of Facebook messages that were like how do I do? 601 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: What you do? I really want to go to school? 602 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I don't know what to 603 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: tell you, like I be at the right place at 604 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: the right time, like find your voice and whatever you do. Anyway, 605 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: So moved to LA. Then was in this weird moment 606 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 3: where I'm like, well, MTV owns my Glee caps as 607 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: a creative idea, what do I do? I started this 608 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: YouTube channel in three D because it was technology that 609 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: they could do, and I my agent at the time 610 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: I think somewhat at the time, was like, well, if 611 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: you're doing in three D, it's different enough. So I 612 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 3: was like, okay, So I kept it with the Glee stuff. 613 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: I needed a second, I think, to catch my breath 614 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: after working, you know, I need a moment. I had 615 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: not stopped working since I graduated, so. 616 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 2: And not working normal hours, you were doing crazy things. 617 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: I was working crazy things, and as I became more 618 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: of a host and less of a producer, I was 619 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: having to still do my things, and then I would 620 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: have to like only sleep for an hour because it's like, oh, 621 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: I have to interview David Archiletta after the Today Show. 622 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: Oh I have to like go do this thing across town, 623 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: to do this thing with this person with Sierra, Like 624 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: it was too much. And then at that point MTV 625 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: did throw me editors, thank god, but I still had 626 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: to like sit with them. You know. It wasn't the 627 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: kind of thing that I could ever just do my 628 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: thun you. 629 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: Were interviewing them and then editing in. 630 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: I was doing. I was a one man band. I 631 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: was doing everything. Wow, oh my god. Wow. So I 632 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 3: reached my limit and then once understandably, yeah, doing it 633 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: on my own too was even I had even less infrastructure. 634 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: So then it really felt like I was doing it 635 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: because God blessed the like digital producers who I could 636 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: finish the video and then they would post it online, 637 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: make the thumbnail. Now I'm writing to do all that, 638 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh on YouTube, I don't want to 639 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: like learn YouTube. Strategically, it was too much for me, 640 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: and I didn't feel confident enough to pay someone to 641 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: do it. I probably could have back then, when you know. 642 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a different thing. Now it's like 643 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: there's a full economy basically, like you know how to 644 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: do that. You know you can hire people. I was 645 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: like five years too early. 646 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: It was, Yes, it was. It was a lot of it. 647 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: So I just reached my limit and then I just 648 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: really didn't like the show anymore. It just got to 649 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: the point where I don't have any more songs than me. 650 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: It's a disservice to the fans. I'm phoning it in. Yeah, 651 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: And it became a when I'm inspired, I'm going to 652 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: do it. And then once I took that parameter off 653 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: of me, I got inspired often and I actually am 654 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: really proud of some of my last gleek caps that 655 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: I've ever done going back to an original song. At 656 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: that point, it was like I had put the stuff 657 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: on YouTube, on iTunes and Spotify, and every year after 658 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: the anniversary of the Kiss, we got like a sales spike. 659 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, that is really funny. 660 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: It was really sweet, and I'm like, I love that 661 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: the Gleeks are keeping this alive for like five six years. 662 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: After they are alive. 663 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I mean, yes, your podcast is huge. 664 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: I love Hello Hello again, Gleeks. 665 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: I know, well it's been amazing. 666 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, who knew. 667 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: It's like all this ancillary like creator economy that you 668 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: got swept up. 669 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: I love it. It's it's it was my whole career Honestly, 670 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: when I was an on air personality was getting swept 671 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: up in using really fun ip that people were obsessed 672 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: with and like riff on it. 673 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: That was like my whole thing. 674 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: Because you could not everybody can do that, you know, 675 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: like what you were saying, if you give advice to 676 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: people how to do what you do, it's like, well, 677 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: you were just able to. You're you had like a 678 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: specific you know, outlook on things, specific voice, so you 679 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: were able to not everybody can you know all of 680 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: a sudden, like, yeah, I'll do this on air. I'll 681 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: sing this sure, thank you, Kevin. No, that takes a 682 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: lot of confidence. Even if you're if it's fake confidence 683 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: and you have imposter syndrome, you still did it. 684 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: I did the damn thing. Yeah, me and Angela Bassett. 685 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: With no safety net. You know, you just did it 686 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: like it's like going on TV. Here we go. 687 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: I fell flat on my face many times. I hate 688 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: my Lady Gaga recap, my Michael Jackson recap. 689 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 4: There are a lot of them. 690 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: I just didn't have it in me, and it's like, well, there's. 691 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: A lot of episodes. You're gonna hit a clunker every 692 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: once in a while. 693 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: That's kind of how I felt. I'm like, if y'all 694 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: are phoning it. 695 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: In, yeah, yeah, yeah, uninspired, which is okay, it it happens. 696 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 3: Well. When I was inspired, it was fun. And the breakup, 697 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: I was like, I need to I need to do 698 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: the original song as a sad ballad, as an email ballad. 699 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: So I fully just like leaned and do it and 700 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: I had so much fun. I actually recorded that in 701 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: one take. At that point, I was real. 702 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 4: So for a while with my gleek ups I was doing. 703 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: It all live, and I would take myself in the 704 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: middle of the night, like two in the morning was 705 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: by the usually around the time that I was like, 706 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 3: had my song ready? 707 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: And where I was filming this by the. 708 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: Twenty ninth floor of fifteen fifteen Broadway, which was the 709 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: former home of MTV. 710 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: You'd go into the office of middle of the night and 711 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: film these things by yourself. 712 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: I would usually get to MTV round four pm on 713 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: Glea days and I would like again, like kind of noodle, 714 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: some music, I would have dinner. I would get like 715 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: myself already. There were a couple of times when anytime 716 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: they try and onboard new producers, they'd be like, oh, 717 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: you like, glease it with Jim and he'll help and 718 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: like whatever. And then they'd get with me and then 719 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: they'd like it would dawn on them that I'd be 720 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: there till like ten am the next morning and they 721 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: would be like wait, wait, wait, wait, what when do 722 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: I leave? 723 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, glee this much. 724 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: They didn't tell me now you have to stay? 725 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you didn't like, yeah, no, I do this. 726 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: So it was like two in the morning. 727 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 4: I would set up. 728 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: I would literally set up a camera or they would 729 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: set up a camera for me before everyone went home 730 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: for the night. 731 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice of them. 732 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so generous. And then I would set up my 733 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: keyboard and then I would record myself live. I would 734 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: do probably like twenty takes because I wasn't a good singer, 735 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: and then. 736 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: I would pee. 737 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: I would know in my brain what I was covering 738 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: with footage from the show and what I needed to 739 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: be on camera for, and then was able to literally 740 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: audio edit my performance so that I was on key 741 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: for a whole song. But then there came a point 742 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: where I'm like, wait, garage van exists. This microphone I 743 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: recorded all I brought. I busted this out from under 744 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: my I don't podcast. I busted this up under. 745 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 7: My bed to be like my Glee cap. I still 746 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 7: have my still my keyboard that I use us. I 747 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 7: have a daughter now, she's eight, and she's like noodling 748 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 7: on my keyboard, and I'm like, I can't wait till 749 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 7: she's old enough for me to show her that I 750 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 7: used to use this keyboard on MTV. 751 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 3: She's like, what's a TV? 752 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 4: That's so anyway craziness. 753 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: So I would then yeah, So then I started to 754 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 3: just record them and then be able to audio edit 755 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: without video involved, and then just lip sync from my life, 756 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 3: and then that would make the shooting go way faster, Yes, God, 757 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: and then the edits would go way fast. 758 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: You had the pandemic home shooting all set up before 759 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: anybody else did. 760 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 3: But in the middle of Times Square and the Time 761 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: Square Starbucks, one of like five of them knew me 762 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: because I would always consistently on Idle season and I 763 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 3: was doing Project Runway recaps for a while, so I 764 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: was likely there. 765 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: You're watching a lot of TV. 766 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I used to go to audition at fifteen fifteen Broadway, 767 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot for Nickelodeon. 768 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we were all there, maybe each one logo 769 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 4: back in the day. There was the most surreal moment 770 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: of working on Glee caps. 771 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: Or it could have been an idle recap. I think 772 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 3: it was idle because my Glee caps were mostly on 773 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: MTV dot com, but my Idol recaps would air and 774 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 3: MTV news hits, and by the time I was a 775 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 3: host on MTV, this was not Kurt Loder, Gideon Jego. 776 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 4: Probably ten to the. 777 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: Hour every hour, it was like you'll be on TV 778 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: twice between like two in the morning and six in 779 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 3: the morning was kind of where our presence was, which 780 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 3: was when I was in Times Square getting my coffee. 781 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 3: And there was one moment where I walked across and 782 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: I saw in Times Square my ugly mug sleep de Pride, 783 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: looking like a cokehead, like just you know, because I 784 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 3: barely had makeup. I was like, I was just like 785 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: and manic in my eye. It was an idolready got 786 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: like manic. Oh, I am watching myself and no one 787 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: was in Times Square. I like looked around and I liked, 788 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: you know, I had a BlackBerry with a terrible camera. 789 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: Get a picture of it. And I was like, I'm 790 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: just like, I. 791 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 3: Guess I made it. It's three in the morning. Dream 792 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 3: this is Let me get back to the edit room 793 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: for the published time. 794 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. People didn't know much. People didn't know 795 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: how much work you had to put into these. 796 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 4: Yeah. 797 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: I had so much fun doing it, though I saw 798 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: like such a jaded bastard. 799 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: Now you have to you have to enjoy it to 800 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: an extent to put yourself through me that. Yeah, that's 801 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: why you didn't anymore. 802 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: You stopped it is because you can't. 803 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 2: You can't sustain that sort of schedule if you there's 804 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: not some sort of pleasure in it. Yeah, creative filment. 805 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys can relate to having, But I 806 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: could only imagine what your schedule was like, Ugle truly, 807 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: and I, even when it was on the air, I 808 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: kept thinking, like, they've got a now go record soundtracks 809 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 3: and recording sessions, and like they have no time to 810 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 3: do anything. Thank god, there's seventy five characters on the show. 811 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: But we didn't matter. We didn't know any better though. 812 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: We were all there anyway, people. 813 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: That were smarter than us, Like you could identify that 814 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 2: watching it and we were in it, and we're like 815 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 2: this is normal, right? 816 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? 817 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 3: How smart was I that I was letting, you know, 818 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 3: Sumon a Redstone tell me to be there till like 819 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 3: seven in the morning, on no sleep while he was 820 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 3: making seven hundred bajillion dollars and I was barely making 821 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 3: enough to pay for my cab home. 822 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: That's like us in the Modern Family cast. We'd get 823 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 2: text from the Modern Family It's like I had to 824 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: work five hours today, Like. 825 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: What sushep for lunch? Yeah, We're like we were getting 826 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: Costco like cheese, puffs and we're like there for fourteen 827 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: and a half hours and they're like you literally would 828 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: hit the pillow and you get home and you would 829 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: open your eyes and you'd be like time to go 830 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 1: back to work. It felt like that, you close your eyes, 831 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: you open your eyes, you go back. It was so crazy. 832 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: But we didn't we didn't have to do as many 833 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: overnights as you did. We did maybe a few of those. Yeah, 834 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: we didn't like that, but I wasn't like doing full choreo. 835 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: I would like full the gung up and like shimmy, 836 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: like come on. 837 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: You guys were like yeah, but your brain had actually 838 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: work because you were creating something original, where we were 839 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: just like puppets out We could just like yeah, memorize 840 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: something and. 841 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 3: Put us out there. 842 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, on that note, we're so grateful 843 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: for your Glee caps and for you coming on here 844 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: and sharing it all because I am I'm floored, I fled. 845 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 4: I am flabergat it as well. Thank you so much. 846 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: Also, I want to shout out the angels who have 847 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: uploaded all of my things to YouTube, because when I 848 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 3: was on MTV, I come was suing YouTube, so none 849 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 3: of my content could go on YouTube, and then MTV 850 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: dot Com stripped all of my content as soon as 851 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 3: I left. They like rebranded a bunch of stuff. So 852 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 3: if it wasn't for the angels on YouTube, my stuff 853 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 3: wouldn't be lost to the internet for it. 854 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: Wow whatever, So we need those as part of history 855 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: for forever in the Glee, you know, fifty years from 856 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 2: now when they've got to use AI to like piece 857 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: us all together and stary. 858 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: So let's be real here. 859 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 3: So like maybe there'll be new Glee caps with like 860 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: from the coffin, like John Lennon style and just like 861 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 3: piece me in and be like new episodes, new Glee caps. 862 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you in front of the keyboard at three am. 863 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: You just chat, you know, type it into chat GVT. 864 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything. You'll be there for 865 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: an hour, you know, Ryan, mygad is a. 866 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: Name that's very easy to rhyme. So I was very 867 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: thankful for that. 868 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: See, those are the things you learn. 869 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: It is. 870 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. Thank you, Thank you so 871 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: so much. 872 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: It's good to see you again. 873 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 3: I know I around town. Y'all know, if you're ever 874 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: on any of the Red carpets. That's my project. 875 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, you know, you're running the red carpets 876 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: with a. 877 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 3: Host of magical people. I'm not the only one who's 878 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 3: a boss. 879 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: Now. 880 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 4: I try, you know, we do, we do what we can. 881 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, yeah, oh my god, this so fun. 882 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 8: I thank you so so much for spending so much 883 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 8: time with us to talk about this. Sure, all right, bye, y'all, 884 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 8: bye bye. Let the people know Kevin, that poor man. 885 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 8: You know the amount he put himself through to get 886 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 8: these Glee caps to the people before and these other 887 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 8: Glee caps existed. I'm very like it's sort of like 888 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 8: doing an analog, you know, like you had to stay awake, 889 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 8: watch it while it was. 890 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 2: On, and make it then. 891 00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 892 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 2: Things are so much easier now. 893 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean much easier, and there's just a better setup. 894 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: He was really working here the Yeah, he was a trailblazer. 895 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: Well I hope you guys enjoyed that. And you haven't 896 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: seen his Glee caps. You gotta go see him, Jim, 897 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: can't yellow Go check them out. They're brilliant, very funny. 898 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 2: He's brilliant. Thank you Jim for joining us and sharing 899 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 2: all of those insane memories. Also, I sort of just 900 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: like want to have him back, just to talk about 901 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 2: all of his most insane interest people. I know that 902 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with Glee, but like I'm also interested, 903 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: Like let us. 904 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: Know, let the people know. Thanks for coming and listening. 905 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: You guys, we love you. 906 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 2: This feels earned this time, because and that's what you 907 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 2: really miss. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram 908 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure 909 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars. 910 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: See you next time,