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Speaker 1: That's wonder where. Not only is Ben Solek doing a

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Speaker 3: That's it's my best Jets mom memory right there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you had a little bit of a free

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Speaker 2: One of them is Malik Willis. Yep.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I've heard about from Glenn

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Speaker 3: Like he's six career starts, right, and you go and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that where I'm gonna where we're

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Speaker 1: So you talked about Glenn and how he likes quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know there's a thick group right two

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Speaker 3: going to be high demanded. So as far as years

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Speaker 3: not a good year to have it. There's no way

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Speaker 3: just because it's the one quarterback. There's gonna be no

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Speaker 3: If you're making me stay there and making me make

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Speaker 3: I like the most. I have great at the highest

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Speaker 3: I understand oh safety versage, rusher Man. Good player is

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Speaker 3: this guy's is a franchise changing math changing individual is

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Speaker 1: Man. That's a fascinating to as far as Downds is concerned,

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's positionless so much as it's

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Speaker 3: we've learned how to maximize people at different positions. Right,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't hard to figure out how to maximize an

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Speaker 3: edge rusher, right, put him over there, But everybody elseill

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Speaker 3: run this side of the line and tell them, all right,

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Speaker 3: you pick where to slide right, Like, you know this

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Speaker 3: for we're gonna have three one on ones over here.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to slide to the numbers. Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: It takes a lot more machinations in terms of how

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Speaker 3: this is one of the things that Mike McDonald and Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: these ten players who are nice and versonally line of

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Speaker 3: play linebacker for me on one down and edge rusher

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Speaker 3: He's gonna you know, kind of unlock my versatility here. Now,

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Speaker 3: Caleb is not Kyle, and he's not nick one warr

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Speaker 3: He's not long like that. So you don't want him

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Speaker 3: playing up on the line of scrimmage playing edge in

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Speaker 3: the same way. So you can't go and copy paste

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Speaker 3: of Mike McDonald defense, put Caleb in the Kyle spot

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Speaker 3: and say, ah, elite safeties like. It's very different body types.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I say it's harder to maximize a

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Speaker 3: up in different spots out of different responsibilities. What Caleb

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Speaker 3: where he's able to play with his eyes on the

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Speaker 3: college level. Kyle's not doing this man like in terms

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Speaker 3: of coverage as a robber player, as a zone player,

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Speaker 3: eyes on Carson Beck, making him wrong, taking away multiple routes,

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Speaker 3: you know, figuring out when he's faking, figure out when

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Speaker 3: Caleb are like a sight to see, man, They are

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Speaker 3: a revelation.

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Speaker 2: You gotta build your defense around it.

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Speaker 3: You gotta be willing to say we're gonna build our

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Speaker 3: pass coverages around playing too high or being able to

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Speaker 3: play one robber and putting this player here. That costs

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Speaker 3: a lot. That requires a lot of defensive work in ingenuity.

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Speaker 3: If a coaches have that's a challenge. So I would

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Speaker 3: go get Caleb right there, but you need your staff

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Speaker 3: to be willing to maximize that player anyway. It's a

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Speaker 3: lot harder than Urville reechs. Go fast, you know, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: get That's how easier to do.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the receivers in this draft?

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Speaker 1: Everybody's high on them. It seems like an awfully deep group.

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Speaker 1: But from a Jets perspective, you know, you got Garrett Wilson,

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Speaker 1: you talk about peers before. Do you think there's going

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Speaker 1: the first rounds that Jets keep that sixteenth pick.

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Speaker 3: So there's no such thing as a bad receiver class

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, Like we'll never ever see it again.

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Speaker 3: There's just the college ranks have gotten too good at

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Speaker 3: throwing the football, and they throw it to just such

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Speaker 3: a variety of dudes. Right there's like a six five,

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Speaker 3: then there's like a five seven, one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: five pound guys high volume. Everybody in between, right, your

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Speaker 3: Tank Dells come out and your Drake London's come out

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Speaker 3: whenever you guys sized in between is playing receiver and succeeding. Right,

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Speaker 3: So we've gotten so good at developing receivers with seven

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Speaker 3: on seven football, and like, you know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: you couldn't throw the football in college. Go watch like

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Speaker 3: old Blake Sims Alabama, right, Like they couldn't throw the ball,

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Speaker 3: and now like everybody can can succeed in the RBO

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Speaker 3: see a bad receiver class again the development. There's just

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Speaker 3: way too many guys available. To me, this is a

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Speaker 3: you know, it's one of the deeper classes of this

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Speaker 3: particular draft. I think it's a below average receiver class

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Speaker 3: relative to past years. Right, And so if you put

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Speaker 3: Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, and Makai Lemmon up against twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four when it was Marvin Harrison, Roe Madunza and

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Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors, like they're not going before those three guys.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going more like BTJ range. Right, it's

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Speaker 3: that like mid teen sort of a spot in this

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Speaker 3: no other way of skinning the cat. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: you're gonna see, like you know, Tape be a top

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Speaker 3: don't think we're going to see the sort of run

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Speaker 3: on receivers that some people are prognosticating right now, always

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Speaker 3: in February and March. Like I said, there's so many

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Speaker 3: different guys that people like. So one guy thinks that

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Speaker 3: Omar Cooper's going round one. The next guy think Zach

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Speaker 3: Casey and Septson's going around a round. And it feels

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Speaker 3: like there's all these receivers when we really like one

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Speaker 3: the guys will kind of go Round two.

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Speaker 1: Aviable position for Darren Mugi to have that first pick

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Speaker 3: Muji Man, everybody envies Darren Movie. Darren Movies got about

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Speaker 3: nineteen first round draft packs to work with. Moojie I.

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Speaker 3: I best piece I did all year was my trade

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Speaker 3: dollan reaction piece. I ow Darren Mougey a drink if

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Speaker 3: I see him here Indianapolis like that that, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that trade Dollane was electric. It is a very

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Speaker 3: good spot. I think always to have that first pick

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Speaker 3: in the second round if you're a good trader, and

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Speaker 3: so far we've seen from Darren Mugie is that he's

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Speaker 3: a very good trader.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You got a encyclopedia knowledge. It's like a stack of them.

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Speaker 1: But with that being said, how much do you factor

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Speaker 1: you got the financial flexibility, you got to draft capital

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Speaker 1: this year, but you have the three first round picks

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven. You want to win next year,

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Speaker 1: but you want to have a sustained winner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I want to walk into next year confident that when

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Speaker 3: I'm at book ends wise, Membou and Foreshano, I think

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Speaker 3: you feel great about where you are. Tackle wise, We'll

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Speaker 3: gonna come down to what the Breeze Hall contract does

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Speaker 3: look like, doesn't look like if not Breece than whom

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Speaker 3: Ohio State because of Jeremiah Smith, but he had those

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Speaker 3: going to see them be serious about target two, and

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Speaker 3: then target three becomes a do we want Mason Taylor

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Speaker 3: tight end team. Do we want to have a more

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Speaker 3: You know one of these Casey Conception out of Texas,

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Speaker 3: the slot. These Omar Coopers at Ninia who win from

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Speaker 3: the slot. But to me, like that's the number one

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Speaker 3: thing to address is I want to feel better about

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Speaker 3: such the twenty twenty seven when I go and I

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Speaker 1: If the Jets are taking a flyer out of quarterback

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Speaker 2: Like the bus right now? Now?

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Speaker 3: Smyer's my guy out of LSU. I think the twenty

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Speaker 3: expand the field to its limits. But twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: just can be telling teams the man throw all twenty

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Speaker 3: nus Meyers the film, I can look at the most

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Speaker 3: and say this can hang at the NFL level. And

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Speaker 3: so I think, you know, Ty Simpson will certainly have

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Speaker 3: his guys and have his believers. I think ties above

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Speaker 3: no Smyer pretty comfortably. But we talk about the true

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Speaker 3: middle round guys.

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Speaker 2: Now. Smyer's a guy I go to.

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Speaker 1: Uh Ben Solak. You gotta be reading him on ESPN

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Speaker 1: and watching him as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Now joined by a good friend of the show. That's

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Speaker 1: a new paulse Yeah, that's Charlie Davis to back in

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Speaker 1: the house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate being called a good friend.

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Speaker 1: I like how you represent the hometown out here to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: Got represented Paul's baby, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Those are the formative years welcome to the mid Hudson Valley.

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Speaker 1: So Aaron Glenn, Yeah Spolk today at the podium he

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Speaker 1: said he's gonna take over defensive plate calling duty or

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Speaker 1: there's a.

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Speaker 4: Shocker for the whole second.

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Speaker 5: Let me fall out of my chair as I'm surprised

457
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Speaker 5: to hear that announcement.

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Speaker 4: So your thoughts, though, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not surprised at all, because you know the way things

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Speaker 5: went last year. When things go like that, you tend

461
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Speaker 5: to go back to this is why I got the

462
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Speaker 5: job in the first place. The second part of it

463
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Speaker 5: is you rely on yourself when things are tough, right

464
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Speaker 5: when your back's against the wall, I better do what

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Speaker 5: I think I do really well. Doesn't surprise me one bit.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know my sarcasm on the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: I won't be the first, I won't be the last

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Speaker 5: to be.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, he's gonna take over play calls?

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Speaker 5: Sure, of course he just made an official Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: we all expected so this is not a surprise. But

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Speaker 5: what you have to have in that situation, if you're

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Speaker 5: gonna take over play calls as the head coach, you've

474
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Speaker 5: gotta have the strong person to run your room during

475
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Speaker 5: those times when you got to go be head coach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you gotta have.

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Speaker 5: That person's got to be that person's pareamount for you.

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Speaker 1: So you like the Perry now him and bringing in

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Speaker 1: a seasoned offensive coach. And Frank Right not only play

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Speaker 1: this game, but he he called signals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a head coach that it had

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah right and.

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Speaker 4: Had success in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: He had been the I believe he was the last

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Speaker 5: head coach Indiana Ups go to playoffs twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 5: So you know Frank is Frank has been around the

488
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Speaker 5: evenness of who he is, the intelligence, the tenacity, and

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Speaker 5: what I think is underrated is the competitiveness.

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Speaker 4: No, you can go back to the playing career. You've

491
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Speaker 4: probably heard all the stories.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I grew up in Orchard Park.

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Speaker 5: We remember the comeback against the Oilers. Go back to

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Speaker 5: Maryland against Miami. I played against Frank in the first

495
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Speaker 5: ever Citrus Bowl in the Orlando, Florida Boomer size and

496
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Speaker 5: was the starting quarterback. He separated his shoulder and second quarter.

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Speaker 5: Frank Wright came in and played. We beat Maryland in

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Speaker 5: a close game. Frank played well. The next year we

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Speaker 5: played them again in the Sun Bowl. Frank was the

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Speaker 5: starter all year long. During the season, they had the

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Speaker 5: biggest comeback in the NCAA history against Miami, led by.

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Speaker 4: Frank Wright, forty to forty. We were up twenty one

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Speaker 4: to nothing at the half. They beat us twenty eight to.

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Speaker 5: Twenty seven, led by Frank Wright. So I need therapy

505
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Speaker 5: and it comes to Frank right. But I also am

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Speaker 5: a big fan of his. I think he's well respected.

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Speaker 5: The surprise to me was he took that Stanford job

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Speaker 5: on an interim basis. I thought when he said interim

509
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Speaker 5: basis and told Andrew Luck one year, I thought that

510
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Speaker 5: meant he was going to do that and that was that.

511
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Speaker 5: But the tug of this game is too much, and

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Speaker 5: I think the Jets are going to benefit from having

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Speaker 5: Frank around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't that speak to the relationships that he built

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Speaker 1: over time because he coaches Luck and Luck is the

516
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Speaker 1: GM in Stanford and he said, hey man, I need

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Speaker 1: some help, Well come back.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you build relationships, you have trust in each other,

519
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Speaker 5: and you also understand that person can help you be better,

520
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 5: get better all those other things. Then if you are

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Speaker 5: on the Jets and you are a quarterback or you

522
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Speaker 5: are an offensive player, and you start making your phone

523
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Speaker 5: calls and you start tracing it.

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Speaker 4: And someone told me once that.

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Speaker 5: If you apply for a job with the FBI, okay,

526
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Speaker 5: you want to be an agent or whatever, they ask

527
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Speaker 5: you for three names, give me three names of people

528
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Speaker 5: who know you. And after you give him those three names,

529
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Speaker 5: they will retrace your entire history almost to conception. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 5: ask around, guys, and just trace Frank Reich's history and

531
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Speaker 5: take it back through Philadelphia, San Diego, all those places

532
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Speaker 5: and find out if people didn't get better under Frank

533
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Speaker 5: rex Toolige.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and working with a ton of quarterbacks and quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Listen, he has a different quarterback every year. Yes. It

536
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Speaker 4: was crazy, Yeah, and had some pretty darn good Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They a couple of times.

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Speaker 4: Philip Rivers was his last one.

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Speaker 5: That was the last playoff team he had had. But look,

540
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Speaker 5: Chakobe Prissette had a big year with him. I mean,

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Speaker 5: this guy can he can coach him. He might be

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Speaker 5: able to you know, he might be able to coach me.

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Speaker 5: And I might be able to throw for you know,

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Speaker 5: five or six yards.

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Speaker 1: All right, so your time is limited, Charles, What should

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Speaker 1: the Jets approach be at the quarterback positions. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Frank ge have darreon Muji and head coach

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glen of course said that we're gonna exhaust all options,

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Speaker 1: and you just kind of look.

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Speaker 2: At the landscape.

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Speaker 4: Aren't a lot of options?

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Speaker 1: Veteran trade and then draft and then everybody looks big

553
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Speaker 1: picture two.

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Speaker 2: But you want to win games now.

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Speaker 1: But also you know you had those three first round

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Speaker 1: picks in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, the hard part with that is you can project

558
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Speaker 5: those first round picks in twenty twenty seven, but we

559
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Speaker 5: don't know what's going to be there. And what's what

560
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Speaker 5: makes it very simple is I'm gonna interview you for

561
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Speaker 5: a quick second going into last season. What was the

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Speaker 5: word from college football about the quarterback class of twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty six. Oh, it's gonna be a big time loaded Yes,

564
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Speaker 5: here we are getting ready for the draft.

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Speaker 4: Two down twenty six. How good quarterback class? Two down

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Speaker 4: twenty six. There's some questions. Let's just say that, right,

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Speaker 4: So that's my point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I may have three picks in two twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: We may think it's going to be a loaded up.

570
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Speaker 5: We just don't know where are we going to finish

571
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Speaker 5: what's going to happen? Does it fit? You can't wait

572
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Speaker 5: on that, So what does that mean? This year's free

573
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Speaker 5: agent crop quarter in the NFL not great because the

574
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Speaker 5: options aren't terrific. I don't think you're running it back

575
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Speaker 5: and talking Aaron Rodgers into coming back. And he's forty

576
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Speaker 5: eight two years old, right, forty one years old?

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Speaker 4: You know where are you going to go to get

578
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Speaker 4: that quarterback?

579
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Speaker 5: As you said, hey, we want to win games right now,

580
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Speaker 5: that's a tough one for you.

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Speaker 4: All right, this year's draft.

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Speaker 5: You mad the number two overall pick, but you're not

583
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Speaker 5: gonna take the number two quarterback in this year's draft.

584
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Speaker 4: I don't believe.

585
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Speaker 5: So that's where it becomes difficult and dicey. So developmenting,

586
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Speaker 5: developing people gonna be a big, big deal as far

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Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, because I just don't see any way

588
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Speaker 5: possible the Jets are going to take a quarterback at

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Speaker 5: number two.

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Speaker 1: And we got to let you get out of here.

591
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Speaker 1: But your latest mind draft to the Jets actually taking

592
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Speaker 1: RFL rise.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, take a great play, yeah, right off the ball

594
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Speaker 5: backer shades of Michael Parsons, because remember Micah was an

595
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Speaker 5: off the ball backer with the idea, we're gonna make

596
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Speaker 5: him an edge rusher. He didn't do a lot of

597
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Speaker 5: that until his last ye at Penn State. Reese was

598
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Speaker 5: a one year starter at Ohio State. But boy was

599
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Speaker 5: that one year some because people knew him, but they

600
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Speaker 5: didn't know him and by the time the year was over,

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Speaker 5: Matt Patricia Teffons Cordator said, yeah, everybody tried to figure

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Speaker 5: out what we were doing on at the.

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Speaker 4: Beginning of the year. They weren't doing that.

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Speaker 5: He developed, he exploded his best balls ahead of him.

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Speaker 5: But also you could be looking at a Ruben Bay.

606
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Speaker 5: You could be looking at it, David Bailey. You know,

607
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Speaker 5: those types of guys are in play for the Jets

608
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Speaker 5: because there's not a single place on this roster that

609
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Speaker 5: there's not an opportunity to get better.

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Speaker 2: You gotta go.

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Speaker 1: But real quickly, just name the best position groups in

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Speaker 1: the draft class piece.

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Speaker 4: The Jets have edge.

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Speaker 5: Rushers, edge rusher's, defensive line wide receivers. Okay, the early

615
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Speaker 5: group of corners pretty darn good, right, And I think

616
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Speaker 5: you can find later round off the ball linebackers because

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Speaker 5: I think but where you're picking, it's really early for

618
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Speaker 5: just strictly off the ball you gotta have an impact

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Speaker 5: guy who's gonna go get your quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you as well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me go new faults and heeping