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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels. The show is all about celebrating the most

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Speaker 1: extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their incredible journeys to

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Speaker 1: the top. All well, same, Okay. I'm very excited for

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Speaker 1: all of you to listen to this episode, and I

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Speaker 1: know you're going to learn a lot and you're going

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Speaker 1: to love it, so enjoy it. I became a mom

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Speaker 1: much later in life, and my biggest thing because I

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Speaker 1: was such a workaholic and I still am, but in

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Speaker 1: a different way. And my challenge even before I had

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Speaker 1: kids was how to have.

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Speaker 2: Me time right.

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Speaker 1: And then when I had my kids, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what would have happened if I did this like in

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Speaker 1: my twenties, you know, what would that have been like

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Speaker 1: trying to sort of do that that juggle. And so

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Speaker 1: talking to you, I'm thinking, well, you've now been a

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Speaker 1: mom for so long, you know, and it's I think

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Speaker 1: my question is sort of like, you know, finding that

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Speaker 1: time and do you find now that you've had your

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Speaker 1: third child, have you found that this struggle is.

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Speaker 2: It's almost a little easier for you to figure out

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Speaker 2: how to go back.

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Speaker 1: To being Carolina, like alone, Carolina, when you need to be,

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Speaker 1: when mommy, Carolina, when you need to be, Because that's

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Speaker 1: always been my challenge. Honestly, I tried to bring the

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Speaker 1: kids everywhere and like never leave them and work at

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Speaker 1: the same time. And I felt like that wasn't productive

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Speaker 1: because I was like just like this all the time.

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Speaker 1: So but I did find that by my second son,

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Speaker 1: it was a bit easier for me to get my

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Speaker 1: head out of like out of the clouds a little

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Speaker 1: bit to be like, Okay, I can do this, you know.

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Speaker 1: So my question is because I have funny enough, I

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Speaker 1: have a few friends with five kids, many friends with four,

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Speaker 1: and I have one friend who just had her.

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Speaker 3: Six and I know, I know, and so beautiful. I

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Speaker 3: don't care how much if you have help and they.

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Speaker 2: Sell, I know, I'm with you. It's insane. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, I'm here to say I'm a

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Speaker 1: strong believer in that it's actually easier on some level

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Speaker 1: when they're very young, because, as you know now with

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Speaker 1: they have more things, the needs are different. It's not

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Speaker 1: like holding their hands so they don't fall and get stitches.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, they have homework, they have played it,

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Speaker 1: they have sports, say this, it's their schedule, their emotions this.

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Speaker 3: As you sady, and I mean when you're older, it's

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Speaker 3: actually it's harder because it's a lot. It's emotional. I

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Speaker 3: mean you almost need to be have a degree in

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Speaker 3: get it's true, navigate certain things, you know, between them

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Speaker 3: and you know, somebody said this and they're feeling god

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Speaker 3: hurt or it's miscommunication, misunderstanding like you know, and they're

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Speaker 3: going through their own things where their body is changing.

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely, you know, it's hard and I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to navigate through that either. And you know, Havy,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Tobin was my all this. He's my first one,

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Speaker 3: I mean with Luna Grace, I've been through di first.

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Speaker 3: You know all that, Like it changes when you kind

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Speaker 3: he's my first kind of team about to be which

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Speaker 3: it's very you know, a whole different level. Well they

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Speaker 3: said big kids, bigger problems. Yes, it's more complex, it's

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Speaker 3: a little. It's a little more different. So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see. You know, you just have to

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Speaker 3: take one one day at a time. And and honestly,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you mean I've never looked at it

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Speaker 3: that way. Thank you for I mean, this is growd.

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Speaker 3: I'm having this tooke. I feel like I'm having my

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Speaker 1: And I was, by the way, k I was a

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Speaker 1: psych major. If that's helpful, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Really I'm going to call you when I need to.

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Speaker 3: I'm want to call you. I how to do it

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Speaker 3: with certain things.

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Speaker 2: But they caring out as you go.

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Speaker 3: No, and you just help, you know, helped to say

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Speaker 3: that way. It's true. I mean I've been in mom

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Speaker 3: No, definitely, I mean I was definitely you know, it

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean the people always thought like where's

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Speaker 3: you know, so I remember growing up in them taking

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Speaker 3: us everywhere. I didn't grow up with nanny or anything.

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Speaker 3: So my parents took us everywhere. You know. For dinner,

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Speaker 3: sash like you know, perfectly clean, ironed, and but I

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Speaker 4: Up to and then you know, how do I I yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it will be interesting how you know, how

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Speaker 4: do I get myself to to kind of balance all

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've learned you have to be patient

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Speaker 3: with yourself and listen, I'm not I'm patient, but I'm

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Speaker 3: But I've learned, I've learned not to do that to myself.

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Speaker 3: I've learned, you know what I am where I am,

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Speaker 3: there is a reason for everything, and I have to

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Speaker 3: enjoy the moment and everything will kind of happen. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: to and and if it doesn't, something else will happen. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but that will happen. So I think as long as

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Speaker 3: And you can't exactly. You can over push it and

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Speaker 3: not doing this thing? I should be doing this and

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Speaker 3: it's okay, I've done it, Like you know, what am

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Speaker 3: I chasing just to like show and prove, Oh I'm

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: What makes me.

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Speaker 3: If I'm going to leave my family? Like? Why for what?

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Speaker 3: You know? Is it because I'm challenging myself because you

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Speaker 3: know what I need to learn I'm too comfortable, I'm

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Speaker 3: too board? Is because you know it's it's the right

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Speaker 3: So I'm kind of tart to be more patient, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And some of it is ego without knowing it. Some

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Speaker 1: wanting to do better, wanting to do more. I think

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Speaker 1: I think there is really something that we can teach

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Speaker 1: ourselves and teach our children about living in the moment

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Speaker 1: and looking at what's happening now and not trying to

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Speaker 1: get to what's next, because I do find that overplanning

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Speaker 2: How you trip over yourself.

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Speaker 1: If you overplan your life, you set yourself up in

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Speaker 1: about ourselves. Right, That's what I'm trying to do. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same for you, but

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Speaker 3: Whenever you want to enjoy kids, right, you want to,

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Speaker 3: We have that responsibility to take care of our children.

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Speaker 3: But you want to be with them, and and and

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Speaker 3: also you know when you can, like I also want it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I want to spend time with my kids. I want

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Speaker 3: You know we're stilling you. You know, we're new small brand.

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Speaker 3: You know, take it takes time and with two years

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Speaker 3: we're covered. For small brands. It's been really really hard

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Speaker 3: for you know, not easy when you don't have like

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Speaker 3: the you know, the marketing money, you don't have the suspense.

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Speaker 2: And life of an unstriprenur k aka.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's definitely, you know, it was very

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Speaker 3: we have to be very creative and you know we

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Speaker 3: all have to roll up our speces. We always do.

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Speaker 3: And but it's also was very actually like sunny moment,

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Speaker 3: because that's really you know, what makes you appreciate things,

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Speaker 3: and you come together stronger, you figure things, you learn

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Speaker 3: and you waste to.

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Speaker 2: Do things you and you get less wasteful.

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Speaker 1: I find like I actually find that like what happened

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Speaker 1: over the pandemic with a lot of my friends in

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Speaker 1: small businesses was like you come together and you you

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Speaker 1: like trem the fat a bit, like you realize, okay,

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Speaker 1: what's really working? Like it forces you to stop and

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Speaker 1: really look inward at like what's working, what's not?

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Speaker 2: Do we need to pivot slightly?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like so many people came out more

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Speaker 1: clear and the vision was more clear, because when you're

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Speaker 1: in it and in it and in it and selling

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Speaker 1: and selling and selling, like all of a sudden, you're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: what just happened? Like now we've explosion of products. We

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Speaker 1: don't even know what's marketable, what's selling, what's not and whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like this last two years,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was a really good inflection point

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Speaker 1: for people. It was really good time to sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, really look at at the businesses and and

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Speaker 1: really take away from it the really important parts of

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Speaker 1: it to kind of lean heavier on, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I think with uh like Griff and Ivy Rose like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you probably

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Speaker 1: just say, okay, what are our corees, right, and what

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Speaker 1: are the things that people are obsessed with?

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Speaker 3: So what's working?

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Speaker 2: What's not?

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Speaker 3: You know, how do you how do you get new customers?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Once I mean we we we launched in Half Foods

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Speaker 3: like in June, like let the middle of a pandemic,

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Speaker 3: you know, a new product going on a shelf, bring

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Speaker 3: the stores, yep, you know, and that's when you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean being in Hopfoods, it's when Whole Foods is

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Speaker 3: testing how are you going to do how do you

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Speaker 3: get people how do you get them to try a

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Speaker 3: new brand, a new product. So you know, it has

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Speaker 3: its challenges, but we're still surviving. We're still alive. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're learning, we are. We added for new products. We

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Speaker 3: call them like the more the essentials, the basics. You know,

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Speaker 3: your kind of shampoo, body wash condition is separate body lotion,

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Speaker 3: which we didn't have. We had a body all, but

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Speaker 3: we added body lotion. And then we're developing with the

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Speaker 3: probatics being so popular, so we're working on like biding

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Speaker 3: kind of product for kids.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a lot. You can plan a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but then you know, you never know what you know

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Speaker 3: what's gonna come. You would have thought two years of

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Speaker 3: covin and things will be how they are. So you

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Speaker 3: really I think what you've learned, like, yes, you can plan,

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Speaker 3: you have to plan, you have to, of course, but

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Speaker 3: then you also kind of you have to be willing

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Speaker 3: to adapt when things are. You know, when it's like

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Speaker 3: snowing and pouring, how do you like dodge and how

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Speaker 3: do you stay dry? No too bad, but lit a wet.

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Speaker 3: So there's always something to learn and you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: so grateful and lucky that I have. I'm not doing

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Speaker 3: all my own. I have really two three partners that

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Speaker 3: we are you know, hands on and involve and we're

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Speaker 3: very different. So it's really kind of cool and refreshing

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Speaker 3: that we you know, all can kind of focus on

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Speaker 3: different things and we all bring something different to the table.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's important to do like everything that I'm

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Speaker 3: not really you know, an expert in or I'm not

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Speaker 3: like I'm not really passionate about. I mean, of course

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Speaker 3: I have to learn about everything because all pretty condor

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Speaker 3: I do, but it's not something that I you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't have to spend ten hours doing something like

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Speaker 3: it's like I'm really not good at It's like numbers,

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Speaker 3: that's just like same.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm like I got you know it, but

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Speaker 2: like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I really don't want to spend ten hours all that, No,

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Speaker 3: because it's wasted on my time of course something you know,

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Speaker 3: I can really contribute. So yes, it's awesome having great fonders,

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Speaker 3: I mean partners.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so my final question for you, my sweet beautiful friend,

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Speaker 1: what is next on? Like, what's next for Carolina Kukova?

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Speaker 1: What happens next. Are we just like taking some time?

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Speaker 1: Are we working on eighteen more things?

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Speaker 2: Do you have?

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Speaker 1: Like what what's next for you that you want to share?

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Speaker 1: And if nothing, you could say I'm taking a break.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's you know me, like, there's no like

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, there's never going to be a nothing

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I like to create. I'm very creative,

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Speaker 3: so definitely having opportunities where I can always bring that

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Speaker 3: my my KK style, rather it's a fashion and beauty

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Speaker 3: or children like you know, anything like that I really have.

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Speaker 3: I can really have that freedom to do that and collaborate.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm very open because again, like it could

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Speaker 3: be fashion, but it could be furniture, could be designed.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love your creative.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very creative, so it's like it could be

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Speaker 3: something and maybe I haven't done it, which it's actually

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Speaker 3: exciting for me because I like to learn and and

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Speaker 3: I think I can definitely bring a lot to it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like you, I mean you've tackled fashion, design,

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Speaker 3: home TV and it's because from the business we come from.

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Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, it's very

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Speaker 3: similar to you styling it home or clothing we're child

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Speaker 3: or right like there was we've learned, there was like

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Speaker 3: a you. I mean some people like we you know,

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Speaker 3: we we all have a different days and stuff. We

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Speaker 3: have it. We have our own eye what we like,

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Speaker 3: and so really doing things that I would enjoy where

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Speaker 3: I feel like I can contribute, where I'm appreciated and

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Speaker 3: I can have that freedom to do so and to

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Speaker 3: really create something that I'm proud of and that really

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Speaker 3: can make someone smile or make some good. You know,

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Speaker 3: I would like to definitely do TV. I feel like

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Speaker 3: I've I've done TV. I I'm not afraid of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm nervous too, but I no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's like yes, it's sort of like once

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Speaker 1: done it a few times, it's like the the nerves

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Speaker 1: are gone.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's there.

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Speaker 3: You just kind of the nerves are still there because

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Speaker 3: when it's interesting, you know, and you care of course,

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Speaker 3: but I haven't done that in a while, and you know,

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Speaker 3: if it's a project that it's it's I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's fun and it's really interesting again, it's like it's

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Speaker 3: contributing to helping someone, it's something really fun and exciting,

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Speaker 3: like that will be, It'll be, it'll be, it'll be

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Speaker 3: nice to do and you know where I get to

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Speaker 3: work with different peop people and get a lotot great

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Speaker 3: and host and to kind of have fun play with

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Speaker 3: I think that would be really nice.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people it's sort of like when you're

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Speaker 1: a creative person, Like, you know, it's funny they ask

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Speaker 1: sometimes people go, well, how would you describe what you do?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm a creative director of anything that

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Speaker 1: needs to be creative directed. I'm literally wherever I can

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Speaker 1: apply that creativity, like you said, whether it's like a bookshelf,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a child, whether it's you know, a line

597
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Speaker 1: of I don't know, flowers and vases, Like, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It's however you can get that out and bring value

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Speaker 1: to something that excites you and ignites your passion, Like

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Speaker 1: that's what you do, you know, And I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what the name for that is, but it's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's being a creative person. And I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's funny because I think for creative

604
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Speaker 1: people there's this overwhelming desire to just keep doing it

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Speaker 1: in as many ways as you can hand and it's

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Speaker 1: like this, you know, It's like people that love math

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Speaker 1: or people that love medicine. It's like, how can I

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Speaker 1: apply that knowledge? And how can I you know. But

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Speaker 1: I think when you're creative, you sort of look at

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Speaker 1: things through this different lens, you know, and you're constantly like,

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Speaker 1: how can I change that? How can I tweak it?

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Speaker 1: How can I make that prettier? How can I make

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Speaker 1: that more?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: So it's it's I think you just have that and

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I love you madly, I miss you madly.

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Speaker 1: I love Florida. I have a new love for Florida. Recently,

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Speaker 1: I just was in Palm Beach and I was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is fun. Maybe I'm going to end up here too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, definitely let us know and come visit, you know.

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Speaker 3: I left to see in person. I feel like I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen you in long time. I do see follow you.

624
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Speaker 3: I now kind of see you and and what you've

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Speaker 3: been up to, which has been you know. For That's

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Speaker 3: like the nice thing of social media because you now

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Speaker 3: if you don't have time to like email everyone, to

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Speaker 3: text me on the phone with everyone, you feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I still.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, true it is.

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Speaker 1: It's this weird blessing and curse. It's like this really

632
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Speaker 1: amazing way to stay connected to people you really want

633
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Speaker 1: to be connected to, you know, and then life gets

634
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Speaker 1: in the way or a pandemic, and you know, but

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Speaker 1: I miss you. Send love to the family. I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy to have you. I'm so happy that you're part

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Speaker 1: of Cure Tour and I you know, we're going to

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Speaker 1: do big things together and I love thank.

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Speaker 3: You and I'm so so proud of you. And let's

640
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Speaker 3: definitely do something in Miami. Thank you so much Rachel

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Speaker 3: for having me. I love you madly, Roder and all

642
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: the boys and you know, and keep.

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Speaker 2: That baby for me. Keep that baby. You got to

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Speaker 2: watch out. Roger's gonna be like kyk, grab her.

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Speaker 3: Run I know from Archie. I'm ac. She's gonna be like,

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Speaker 3: where is she going? Keep her home.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like I got her. Roger's like I'm.

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Speaker 3: On the other side.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll take her for the back.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Archie is no idea.

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Speaker 1: Send my love to Archie and the boys and Luna

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Speaker 1: Grace little angel baby.

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Speaker 2: All right, I love you, Bye bye, honey.

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