WEBVTT - VanderDUMP: The Scandal Analyzed 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.840 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.080 radio podcast. Welcome to this breaking news edition of the 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:14.720 most dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison, and this is 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.599 my breaking news voice, a voice I haven't had to 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.599 use in many years. But this is a story that 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.520 we're about to talk about that is so big, so scandalous. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.800 It's taken me back to my breaking news days. And 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.680 this is the vander Pump Rules affair. Joining me is 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:39.120 entertainment reporter as well as Bravo a holic Lorenzima. I 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.240 love your breaking news voice. You know it's the Vanderpump 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.519 vander Dump everybody. We spoke to you a little bit 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:51.159 about the Vanderpump Rules saga that is sweeping the nation. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:56.240 On Monday. We got into the characters, the real life 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.880 people from this reality show on Bravo, Tom Sandoval, arian 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.320 Amatox and Raquel Levis whose real name turns out to 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.360 be Rachel, and the fact that Tom and Raquel were 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.520 apparently having an affair behind the back end in the 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.000 home of Tom and Arianna and Roquel and Arianna are 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.640 very good friends. So we've been talking about it all 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.039 week and we just decided to do another episode of 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.560 the podcast, because this has overtaken everything. I mean, the 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.039 New York Times wrote about this. If you want to 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:35.160 talk drama nation, this is the nation in the drama. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.160 This has been so I usually don't timestamp these things, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.400 but it's Tuesday night. There's so much tea that Lord 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.000 and I have actually had to pour a cocktail to 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.440 get through this breaking news. What'd you go with? You 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.800 want the tequila? Tequila what I call a sent tequilia. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.680 It's Saint Germain and tequila. I went with a nice 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.960 Napa cap. So we're going to enjoy a cocktail on 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.560 this Tuesday evening, and we're going to get through what 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.440 has become such a captivating story. And I guess we 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.880 start with that. Why there's been cheating scandals? There's all 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.480 kinds of cheating scandals all the time on TV and 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:20.040 off TV. Why has this one captured our imagination, our eyeballs. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.160 It's really captivated this country. I think that's a question 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.760 for you, because you have twenty years of experience in 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.120 drama in reality TV. Why has this one become? And 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.440 by the way, vanderpumb Rules been on almost a decade, right, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.000 and you know I've been watching it on and off 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.200 for the past ten years. I've skipped a couple of seasons, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.320 watched a lot of them, but it's not a show that, like, 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.200 like my mom watches Real House, so I've che didn't 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.320 watch Vanderpum Rules. It's not a show that everybody had 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.360 this level of household name familiarity to it. But now 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.720 all that has changed. What do you think has made 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.600 the difference? I think there is Maybe it's post pandemic. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.480 I don't know, but there has been a lack of 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:09.840 a social relevant show. And I was looking tonight there 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.880 are what ten stories on US magazine and People Magazine. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.840 It's all Vader Pump Rules. Do you mean a gap 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.239 in a socially relevant reality show? Right? And I hate 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.560 to throw gasoline on what's already a big fire, but 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.280 I'll tell you when The Bachelor is in season, which 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.760 it is now five six, seven of the biggest headlines 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.880 would have been about the Bachelor. It's just not socially 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.400 relevant anymore. It's not filling that gap. It's not creating 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.600 storylines that anybody cares about. And when a story like 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.640 this comes along, we still have that insatiable appetite. You 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.320 still have that insatiable appetite. So when this story broke, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.680 I think it's just a perfect storm of what we 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.960 used to count on to be good and to be 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.040 socially relevant, to be exciting, is not anymore. We still 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.160 want it, and now we got it, and it's Vanderpump rules. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.680 I did have somebody text me today. They were like, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.880 I used I used to see the Bachelor news stories 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.560 as the top on, you know, the number one news story, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:19.960 and nobody's talking nobody, Well they're talking about this, and look, 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.800 I think everybody relates to a cheating scandal. But I, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.200 like we've said, not everything blows up the way this has, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.600 and it certainly has. So we are going to give 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.160 you all the latest information and we're going to analyze it. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.839 So we'll go bit by bit here. We have tried 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.080 to keep on top of everything, and the latest where 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.680 we sit on Tuesday night is that the show has 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:50.480 started filming again. That Tom Sandoval and Raquel Levis Levis 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.279 I'm not sure. Also, you know what her real name is, Rachel, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.160 So Tom and Rachel it Chell have filmed scenes together, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:03.560 but according to a report on Entertainment Tonight, Tom didn't 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.800 like the way their seems were coming across. He thought 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.839 he was painted and too negative of a life, you think, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.520 and he asked, or rather demanded, even that producers let 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.040 him refilm it, but they did not, and now he's 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.400 threatening to not film anymore. Hey, guys, I don't look 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.159 great in this cheating scandal. Is there any way we 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.520 can spend this or I look like a really good guy. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.599 I don't look like a predator hitting on this twenty 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.080 eight year old woman cheating on her in my own bed. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.560 We should note that Tom is forty years old. Tom's 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:39.000 forty rock Riquel's twenty. We're going to get into the 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.720 age difference, because the age difference isn't a big deal 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.320 as far as the relationship goes. That doesn't matter at all, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.640 but we will talk about Raquel. I think Raquel's age matters. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.919 It matters to her and where she is in all this. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.440 And by the way, the latest report is they did 0:05:55.520 --> 0:06:00.440 start filming, of course, but Riquel has allegedly left. Yes, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.839 that's a People magazine report that she's gone home to 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.560 be with her family. This has been so overwhelming. The 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.640 report is that she has no friends on set, on 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:15.200 the cast, social media, It is all against her right now, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.920 and you can imagine why. But it's just been so 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.520 much that she has left now. Has a camera crew 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.200 gone with her? Did they follow her home? Very possible. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.160 The other thing is maybe a producer got to her 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.760 and said, hey, just every now and then check in 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.360 on your own phone. Just roll a camera every now 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:32.880 and then in check. By the way, I have to say, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.720 I believe that it is overwhelming for her. I mean, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.600 like we were just saying, this is sweeping the nation now, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.680 and I want to be clear, we're discussing, we're having fun. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.920 I don't want to come at them with cruelty, with hate, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.640 with vitriol, because social media is very overwhelming. And yes, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.760 they signed on to be on a reality show, but 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.640 the human brain can only take so much. I mean, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.640 you and I certainly know about a world of people 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.480 coming after you well, and we were talking just at 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.279 dinner moment ago that Again, this isn't to forgive anything, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.600 and it doesn't make her the victim. But for Raquel 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:13.559 being so young, she jumped into a show that had already, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.880 as you said, it'd been going for a decade. She 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.120 jumped in a few seasons ago she joined, but this 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.840 at her age would be a lot to be unloaded on. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.680 I mean this, Yeah, she's had a little bit of 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.680 a taste of this reality show. Let's just get into it. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.840 We're not we're defending Raquel a little bit. I am, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.800 and I'll say this, I'll say why. I'm not defending 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.440 what she did. I am defending her as a person 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.800 only in that I think she's twenty seven, twenty eight 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.120 years old, Thomas forty, Arianna's in her late thirties. The 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.480 women Arianna is friends with on the show, the other 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.240 cast members are in their mid late thirties. And I 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:57.000 am not saying that anything that Raquel did here was okay, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.720 But I do think when you're twenty seven, twenty eight, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.920 I think she's missing some of the life perspective, the 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.520 relationship perspective that people ten years and more older than 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.280 her have. And I also think they've been on reality 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.200 TV longer, they're savvier, they're they're friends with like, I 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.640 just think Raquel's in over her head. I'm not saying 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.320 what she did was okay, but I don't. But I 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.680 worry about her mental It's a very fair assessment, very 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.400 fair thing to say that she's over her head and 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.840 all this, yes, and again it's not to forgive anything, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.800 but I actually was glad to read that report tonight 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.760 that she's left and she's gone home to surround herself 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.720 with some people, because there was the reports of she 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.320 had a crisis management PR team. Do not get Lauren 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.880 and I started on crisis PR people as a big 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.760 waiste of money and how useless they are. The best 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.360 thing I've heard is that she fired them. I don't 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.960 know if she's hired another one or not. Sorry, that 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.600 just opened up a big wound for us and triggered 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:03.520 us the places. Why because the current media environment changes 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.720 so quickly and everything happens so quickly, Like a crisis 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.920 PR team is a thing of twenty years ago. It's 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.240 not a thing that matters anymore. Like there's always groundbreaking 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.959 new changes in the way things are being covered and 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.880 all that thing about this we're talking about, Oh, this 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.480 is the first time a show like vander Pump Rules 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.640 has like made national news in this way. These people, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.560 they don't know how to handle it. Hey, maybe we'll 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.800 sneak a story into People magazine for you. It's like great, thanks, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.600 but yeah, so they're useless. I'm glad she fired them. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:40.720 But this is what she's going through, is getting advice 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.960 from crisis PR people agents, I'm sure, managers. I'm sure 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.320 it has been just a tidal wave of noise for her. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:53.640 So I'm glad to hear that mentally health wise, she 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.160 is removing herself, gonna go home, surround herself with some 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.760 people she can trust and figure this thing out and 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.680 get some perspective. So what's unclear here is there were 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.320 different reports. Again, this is completely like, I don't know 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.720 the sources on this. These are just reports, but let's 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.200 bring it up for discussions sake, that the crisis PR 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.200 team advised her to break up with Tom, to say 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.320 she was the victim here that you know, she was 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:23.760 kind of under Tom's spell or you know, bamboozled by Tom, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.720 and she was gonna have to break up with him. Look, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:32.280 she knew it wasn't a situation where and I've heard 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.079 of this for real, that people find out later they're 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.520 sleeping with someone who's married because that person lied and 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.320 said they were divorced or lied and said they were 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.520 in an open relationship. Raquel was friends with Marianna. She 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.920 knew she was going to Tom's bands shows with Arianna 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.160 and cheering him on with her with her alleged friend 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.000 from the crowd, so she knew. So I am not 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.120 applauding her. I am not defending what she did, and 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 I don't think she's a victim here. I'm just saying 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.400 that I have empathy or worry about her being a 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.680 twenty seven, twenty eight year old because we all do 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.239 super dumb stuff. Then that once we have the perspective 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.680 of age, we look back on and regret. And I 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.719 don't know. Maybe it's because I'm the guy, maybe it's 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.679 because I'm an older guy. But I just look at 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.840 Tom and I think Tom's the problem here. You knew better, Bud. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.440 Tom's forty. Tom was in a relationship of almost a 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.600 decade with Arianna. Tom has been on the show longer. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.080 Tom is the problem and the excuse he laid out 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.760 of why he didn't tell Arianna okay, because this has 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.200 been a long time affair. This isn't a hey, we 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.880 just started to hang last summer. Been awhile And he 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:46.120 said about Arianna and why he didn't break up with her. Yes, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.959 according to a report, Tom said that or Tom didn't 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.400 break up with Arianna yet because he was worried about 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.160 her mental health, so worried about her mental health that 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.720 he cheated on her with her friend. And and because 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.560 this is maybe my favorite part, because they had a 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.800 house together and he thought it would be complicated, and 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:15.240 you could maybe possibly believe that, BS, if it weren't 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:21.320 for how brazen they were. You posted a video from Halloween. Yes, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.800 I did well. Raquel still has in her highlights on 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.559 her Instagram these videos from Halloween, where you, guys, this 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.120 is what I think. This really sick and twisted. I 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.360 think this is part of why it's blown up on 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:38.920 a nationwide scale because of these strange, gruesome little details. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:46.880 On Halloween, Tom dressed up as Raquel. They are in 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.800 videos together Raquel and with Tom dressed up as her. Raquel, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.280 Tom and Ariana we're all going to this same party. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.400 They all went to this party and Tom thought it's 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.120 going to be cute if I dress up like the 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:01.800 girl I'm sleeping with. Yes, that is fed up in 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.079 front of my girlfriend is level fed up it is, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.640 so that is a signal again, they and we had 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.840 already talked about this on the show this week where 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.480 they had the little lightning bolt matching necklaces. They did 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.560 these things that are next level ft up the Harry 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.560 Potter nerd in me and my friend Um who I 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.480 follow follow the Lightning Bolt. Yes, follow the account best 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.680 of Bravo if you want all the Bravo updates. I 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.760 love Maggie. She's great and she's really been on the 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.760 ground collecting all the Reddit news and all that and 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.439 just curating it. She said, like, what in the Harry 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.160 Potter is this about the lightning bowl necklaces? And I said, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.640 it makes sense because you know who did the lightning bolt, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:45.240 Scar Baltimart. No, boy, don't go, don't do it. Don't 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.560 do it lightning bolts. So that that to me, and 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.880 you're right, maybe that's what struck a chord with everybody 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.440 is this isn't your garden variety affair. It's a really dark, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.280 sick just a whole things that they they've done together. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.680 And I don't know if it's Tom or whatever, but yeah, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.480 Tom dressed up as Raquel. That's just messed dress up 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.160 as Rachel and went and hung out with his girlfriend. 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.760 And then in this video, this highlight you're talking about, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:17.480 there's like Raquel making a toast in front of Arianna 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.640 and Tom. It's just again, it's just so disgusting because 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.480 you know what's going on now that you look at 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.520 it through this lens, you just know how sick and 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.880 twisted it really is. And then there's then there's this video. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.920 The whole way this thing got played out was there 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.640 at a concert, and we're not sure how she got 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.880 the phone, but Tom's phone ended up on the floor, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.360 maybe it fell out during the concert. Whatever, she ends 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:47.600 up with the phone and sees this video. Yes, apparently 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.200 it's unclear the specifics, but Arianna allegedly saw a video 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:58.160 on Tom's phone, her boyfriend's phone, of Raquel pleasuring herself, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.600 and so obviously pretty quickly she knew something was going 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.480 on there. So now there's a sex tape in all 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:08.320 this the new version of a sex tape. So apparently 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:13.320 allegedly this was a screen recorded FaceTime, a FaceTime screen 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:18.280 recorded by Tom. And now Raquel has apparently had a 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.680 lawyer send out like cease and assist to the whole 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.440 cast saying do not distribute this video. You can't exchange it, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.280 it can't go public. The other because it was recorded 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.880 without her consent, and this videos out there now look 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.200 I believe by the way. I mean, people have cheated 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.120 on me before, and I have found the cheating on 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.600 their phones before. The first thing I did was texted 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.280 that evidence to myself because I'm like, I gotta have 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.520 this so I know because the person I was with, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.360 I'm like, I know this person is a gas lighting narcissist, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.720 and if I don't have the visual proof, they will 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.520 try to deny it or lie their way out of it. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.280 I needed the proof from my own sanity. So if 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.800 Ariana texted that to herself, you have to I get it, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.800 because he would have tried to deny it or whatever. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:06.280 So she had to do that. But I also, look, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.520 I don't think it's fair to Rockhell if that video 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.560 ends up, you know, posted online and that every that's 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.160 not fair to her either. Because that's so I get 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.800 the season desist. But you pointed out something interesting about 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.200 the season desist in the warning of it. Well, the 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.600 season desist is she obviously didn't comply, She didn't give 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.160 her consent to be recorded. That is what the loyal argument, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.200 that's the legal argument. That's the only way they can 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.960 get that season desist is she says, look, I did 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.760 not consent to this video being taken. Tom did it 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.800 behind my back while I was doing my thing, and 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:43.800 he recorded it. And so if that's true, then why 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.000 are they still in good graces? Why are they still together? 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.840 Because allegedly after all of this, bottom line is when 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.480 Bravo started shooting, they were going to continue as if 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.240 Tom and now Raquel are together, kind of figure this 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.640 thing out going forward as a couple. And look, if 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.960 someone had just recorded me against my will and this 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:10.080 thing without asking, without asking, we're not still dating. Very 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:15.240 good point. They're finding you in a ditch, noted. So 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.359 do you think that she was just saying it was 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.680 without her consent? Well, I think they go to a 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.720 lawyer and they're like, how do we stop this? They're like, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.520 the only way you stop this is say I didn't 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.399 consent to it, because that because this has already gone. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:35.159 I promise you media outlets have this, TMZ, whoever it is, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.919 trust me they have. If two or more people have this, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.960 it's out in the industry. It's out in this world, 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.480 and these are reality stars, so now it's really out there. 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.280 So it's already out there at established places, whether it's 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.440 people or US Magazine, TMZ whatever they have it. Now, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:56.680 it's just can the lawyers keep this under wraps? Will 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.640 it end up on Reddit? Will end up on one 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.840 of the dark web places? Unfortunately, it probably will. But 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.200 this lawyer apparently is doing his damn just to shut 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.479 it down, and good good for him, by the way. Truly, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.560 I know I have to say, no matter what she 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.520 went through, I don't think it's fair of that video. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.479 I don't deserve that. But so there's all these reports 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.199 about you know, what her PR strategy is going to 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.040 be that one you know, the one team that she's 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.280 maybe not working with anymore, said play the victim, break 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.159 up with him. Then maybe the PR strategy is that 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.400 they're together and that they're going to be like, we're 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.600 in love and this is real and get behind it 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.520 in that way and try to get people on their 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:36.000 side in that way. And I just like, what do 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.200 you think? Because I think the truth is probably somewhere 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.320 in the middle. Like if I were her, I'm trying 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:45.320 to put myself in her shoes, I would be sort 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.320 of questioning everything. I would be like, well, should I 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.600 break up with them? I mean, especially if he did 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.760 record that without her consent? Should I are we together? 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.000 Are we in love? Do? I? I mean it also 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.480 goes back to can you trust someone in a relationship 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:05.280 when they start with that relationship with you as a cheater? Yeah, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.440 I mean that's a difficult question. I would just say 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.840 moreover a bigger umbrella for your question. You just ask, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.840 because I think, yes, there are circumstances where we know 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.120 when affairs happen, look at Amy Robot, TJ. Holmes. But 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.199 I think what matters more is the foundation. The foundation 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.399 that this relationship was built on is not good. And 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.160 if I could give this girl advice, I would get 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.080 her alone. And I hope that this space she's taken 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.680 now by leaving the show and getting away, she will 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.760 look back at some of this stuff going on and 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.159 say this is not a good dude, this is a 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.920 bad situation. And I hope my dream is that all 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:54.080 of this will continue except now Arianna and somehow Raquel 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.040 will make up and it's everyone against Tom. That's what 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.679 you want. Yes, I'm team everybody except for Tom. And 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.960 Raquel did say in this statement, um, that was to 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.639 make a statement. Well, it was said, sorry allegedly in 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.400 the statement that was really released tonight that it said 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.959 that she left and went home. Was that she doesn't 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.120 know how to apologize. To Ariana, Oh, that's you're talking 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.720 about the People magazine articles saying sources saying sh she 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.000 just well, she apologetic, she has no idea how. And again, 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.760 to me, that goes back to, yeah, you're twenty seven, 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.879 you're twenty eight years old, and I know that's not 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.240 so young, and it's not an excuse, but I get it. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.560 I get how she has found herself in this hole 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.080 and now it's not so cute. It's not so fun, 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.040 it's not so sexy, it's not sex timing each other. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.959 It's not the cute little fun you know. Thunderbolt, Roquel, 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.240 here's your And I wish I could sit her down 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.280 and be like, get yourself out of this. If you're 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.679 with Tom again, get yourself out of this, because you 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.040 you're your biggest thing. Okay, you just brought up the 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.640 Amy Robot t J. Holmes thing. You and I both 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.320 know people who've there's Yeah, I'm thinking of one couple 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.560 who they are together and married now their relationship started 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.919 as each of them having affairs on their spouses. I 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.280 am not saying this is okay, but I treat every 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.800 relationship that I might talk about or hear about on 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.159 the nature of that specific relationship. And maybe somebody's in 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.080 a horribly unhappy marriage where there being mentally and emotionally abused. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.159 Maybe they stick it out for the kids. Maybe they 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.520 got a cheat to state saying, and they finally get 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.960 out of it. I don't know. But in this situation, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:44.119 Tom's biggest thing was was what what did Ariana? What 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.600 was he so unhappy with with Arianna? What was what 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.200 was she doing wrong? What was she doing to him? Nothing? 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.960 From anything we've heard, if he had some big smoking 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.440 gun on Arianna and how horrible she'd been to him, 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.560 I'm sure he'd be rolling it out. We'd be hearing 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.560 about it. Yeah, we got nothing. All we know his 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.280 The only argument that we have is why he didn't 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.800 tell her about the cheating, and it's because of her 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.200 mental health. I mean, come on, Roquel, look at this guy. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.960 You're a bigger fan than I am. Clearly I'm gaining 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.000 I'm gaining on you. But obviously you are entrenched in this, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.840 in this Bravo nation. So you've been watching Vanderpump rules. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.600 From what I have read and understood in the last 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.840 several days. Tom loves this. Tom loves not maybe not this, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.920 but I just mean the attention, maybe a little narcissistic. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.199 These are the things I'm kind of gleaning off of 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.879 what I'm reading online. Is he that guy? That's that's 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.919 I can't pull myself away from this. I love this 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:44.359 too much. You mean just the attention and everyone talking 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.080 about him. I mean, he certainly loves attention. But you know, 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.600 I think when you're watching reality TV, you're kind of 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.679 like everybody on a reality show loves they're on a 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.880 reality show. And you know, I have to say, there's 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.560 a lot of talk right now about potentially cimates who 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.880 are no longer on the show, Stacey Schroeder, Jack's Brittany, 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.840