1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to this breaking news edition of the 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: most dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison, and this is 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: my breaking news voice, a voice I haven't had to 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: use in many years. But this is a story that 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: we're about to talk about that is so big, so scandalous. 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: It's taken me back to my breaking news days. And 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: this is the vander Pump Rules affair. Joining me is 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: entertainment reporter as well as Bravo a holic Lorenzima. I 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: love your breaking news voice. You know it's the Vanderpump 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: vander Dump everybody. We spoke to you a little bit 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: about the Vanderpump Rules saga that is sweeping the nation. 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: On Monday. We got into the characters, the real life 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: people from this reality show on Bravo, Tom Sandoval, arian 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Amatox and Raquel Levis whose real name turns out to 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: be Rachel, and the fact that Tom and Raquel were 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: apparently having an affair behind the back end in the 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: home of Tom and Arianna and Roquel and Arianna are 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: very good friends. So we've been talking about it all 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: week and we just decided to do another episode of 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, because this has overtaken everything. I mean, the 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: New York Times wrote about this. If you want to 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: talk drama nation, this is the nation in the drama. 24 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: This has been so I usually don't timestamp these things, 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: but it's Tuesday night. There's so much tea that Lord 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: and I have actually had to pour a cocktail to 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: get through this breaking news. What'd you go with? You 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: want the tequila? Tequila what I call a sent tequilia. 29 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: It's Saint Germain and tequila. I went with a nice 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Napa cap. So we're going to enjoy a cocktail on 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: this Tuesday evening, and we're going to get through what 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: has become such a captivating story. And I guess we 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: start with that. Why there's been cheating scandals? There's all 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: kinds of cheating scandals all the time on TV and 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: off TV. Why has this one captured our imagination, our eyeballs. 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: It's really captivated this country. I think that's a question 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: for you, because you have twenty years of experience in 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: drama in reality TV. Why has this one become? And 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: by the way, vanderpumb Rules been on almost a decade, right, 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: and you know I've been watching it on and off 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: for the past ten years. I've skipped a couple of seasons, 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: watched a lot of them, but it's not a show that, like, 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: like my mom watches Real House, so I've che didn't 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: watch Vanderpum Rules. It's not a show that everybody had 45 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: this level of household name familiarity to it. But now 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: all that has changed. What do you think has made 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: the difference? I think there is Maybe it's post pandemic. 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but there has been a lack of 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: a social relevant show. And I was looking tonight there 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: are what ten stories on US magazine and People Magazine. 51 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: It's all Vader Pump Rules. Do you mean a gap 52 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: in a socially relevant reality show? Right? And I hate 53 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: to throw gasoline on what's already a big fire, but 54 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you when The Bachelor is in season, which 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: it is now five six, seven of the biggest headlines 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: would have been about the Bachelor. It's just not socially 57 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: relevant anymore. It's not filling that gap. It's not creating 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: storylines that anybody cares about. And when a story like 59 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: this comes along, we still have that insatiable appetite. You 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: still have that insatiable appetite. So when this story broke, 61 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: I think it's just a perfect storm of what we 62 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: used to count on to be good and to be 63 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: socially relevant, to be exciting, is not anymore. We still 64 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: want it, and now we got it, and it's Vanderpump rules. 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: I did have somebody text me today. They were like, 66 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I used I used to see the Bachelor news stories 67 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: as the top on, you know, the number one news story, 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: and nobody's talking nobody, Well they're talking about this, and look, 69 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: I think everybody relates to a cheating scandal. But I, 70 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: like we've said, not everything blows up the way this has, 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: and it certainly has. So we are going to give 72 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: you all the latest information and we're going to analyze it. 73 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: So we'll go bit by bit here. We have tried 74 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: to keep on top of everything, and the latest where 75 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: we sit on Tuesday night is that the show has 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: started filming again. That Tom Sandoval and Raquel Levis Levis 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Also, you know what her real name is, Rachel, 78 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: So Tom and Rachel it Chell have filmed scenes together, 79 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: but according to a report on Entertainment Tonight, Tom didn't 80 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: like the way their seems were coming across. He thought 81 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: he was painted and too negative of a life, you think, 82 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: and he asked, or rather demanded, even that producers let 83 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: him refilm it, but they did not, and now he's 84 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: threatening to not film anymore. Hey, guys, I don't look 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: great in this cheating scandal. Is there any way we 86 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: can spend this or I look like a really good guy. 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: I don't look like a predator hitting on this twenty 88 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: eight year old woman cheating on her in my own bed. 89 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: We should note that Tom is forty years old. Tom's 90 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: forty rock Riquel's twenty. We're going to get into the 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: age difference, because the age difference isn't a big deal 92 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: as far as the relationship goes. That doesn't matter at all, 93 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: but we will talk about Raquel. I think Raquel's age matters. 94 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: It matters to her and where she is in all this. 95 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, the latest report is they did 96 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: start filming, of course, but Riquel has allegedly left. Yes, 97 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: that's a People magazine report that she's gone home to 98 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: be with her family. This has been so overwhelming. The 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: report is that she has no friends on set, on 100 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: the cast, social media, It is all against her right now, 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: and you can imagine why. But it's just been so 102 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: much that she has left now. Has a camera crew 103 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: gone with her? Did they follow her home? Very possible. 104 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: The other thing is maybe a producer got to her 105 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: and said, hey, just every now and then check in 106 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: on your own phone. Just roll a camera every now 107 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: and then in check. By the way, I have to say, 108 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: I believe that it is overwhelming for her. I mean, 109 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: like we were just saying, this is sweeping the nation now, 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and I want to be clear, we're discussing, we're having fun. 111 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to come at them with cruelty, with hate, 112 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: with vitriol, because social media is very overwhelming. And yes, 113 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: they signed on to be on a reality show, but 114 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: the human brain can only take so much. I mean, 115 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: you and I certainly know about a world of people 116 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: coming after you well, and we were talking just at 117 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: dinner moment ago that Again, this isn't to forgive anything, 118 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make her the victim. But for Raquel 119 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: being so young, she jumped into a show that had already, 120 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: as you said, it'd been going for a decade. She 121 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: jumped in a few seasons ago she joined, but this 122 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: at her age would be a lot to be unloaded on. 123 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean this, Yeah, she's had a little bit of 124 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: a taste of this reality show. Let's just get into it. 125 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: We're not we're defending Raquel a little bit. I am, 126 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: and I'll say this, I'll say why. I'm not defending 127 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: what she did. I am defending her as a person 128 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: only in that I think she's twenty seven, twenty eight 129 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: years old, Thomas forty, Arianna's in her late thirties. The 130 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: women Arianna is friends with on the show, the other 131 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: cast members are in their mid late thirties. And I 132 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: am not saying that anything that Raquel did here was okay, 133 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: But I do think when you're twenty seven, twenty eight, 134 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I think she's missing some of the life perspective, the 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: relationship perspective that people ten years and more older than 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: her have. And I also think they've been on reality 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: TV longer, they're savvier, they're they're friends with like, I 138 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: just think Raquel's in over her head. I'm not saying 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: what she did was okay, but I don't. But I 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: worry about her mental It's a very fair assessment, very 141 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: fair thing to say that she's over her head and 142 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: all this, yes, and again it's not to forgive anything, 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: but I actually was glad to read that report tonight 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: that she's left and she's gone home to surround herself 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: with some people, because there was the reports of she 146 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: had a crisis management PR team. Do not get Lauren 147 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: and I started on crisis PR people as a big 148 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: waiste of money and how useless they are. The best 149 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: thing I've heard is that she fired them. I don't 150 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: know if she's hired another one or not. Sorry, that 151 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: just opened up a big wound for us and triggered 152 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: us the places. Why because the current media environment changes 153 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: so quickly and everything happens so quickly, Like a crisis 154 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: PR team is a thing of twenty years ago. It's 155 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: not a thing that matters anymore. Like there's always groundbreaking 156 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: new changes in the way things are being covered and 157 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: all that thing about this we're talking about, Oh, this 158 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: is the first time a show like vander Pump Rules 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: has like made national news in this way. These people, 160 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: they don't know how to handle it. Hey, maybe we'll 161 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: sneak a story into People magazine for you. It's like great, thanks, 162 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, so they're useless. I'm glad she fired them. 163 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: But this is what she's going through, is getting advice 164 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: from crisis PR people agents, I'm sure, managers. I'm sure 165 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: it has been just a tidal wave of noise for her. 166 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear that mentally health wise, she 167 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: is removing herself, gonna go home, surround herself with some 168 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: people she can trust and figure this thing out and 169 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: get some perspective. So what's unclear here is there were 170 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: different reports. Again, this is completely like, I don't know 171 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: the sources on this. These are just reports, but let's 172 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: bring it up for discussions sake, that the crisis PR 173 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: team advised her to break up with Tom, to say 174 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: she was the victim here that you know, she was 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: kind of under Tom's spell or you know, bamboozled by Tom, 176 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and she was gonna have to break up with him. Look, 177 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: she knew it wasn't a situation where and I've heard 178 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: of this for real, that people find out later they're 179 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: sleeping with someone who's married because that person lied and 180 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: said they were divorced or lied and said they were 181 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: in an open relationship. Raquel was friends with Marianna. She 182 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: knew she was going to Tom's bands shows with Arianna 183 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: and cheering him on with her with her alleged friend 184 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: from the crowd, so she knew. So I am not 185 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: applauding her. I am not defending what she did, and 186 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't think she's a victim here. I'm just saying 187 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: that I have empathy or worry about her being a 188 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty eight year old because we all do 189 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,239 Speaker 1: super dumb stuff. Then that once we have the perspective 190 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: of age, we look back on and regret. And I 191 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's because I'm the guy, maybe it's 192 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: because I'm an older guy. But I just look at 193 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: Tom and I think Tom's the problem here. You knew better, Bud. 194 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: Tom's forty. Tom was in a relationship of almost a 195 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: decade with Arianna. Tom has been on the show longer. 196 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: Tom is the problem and the excuse he laid out 197 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: of why he didn't tell Arianna okay, because this has 198 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: been a long time affair. This isn't a hey, we 199 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: just started to hang last summer. Been awhile And he 200 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: said about Arianna and why he didn't break up with her. Yes, 201 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: according to a report, Tom said that or Tom didn't 202 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: break up with Arianna yet because he was worried about 203 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: her mental health, so worried about her mental health that 204 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: he cheated on her with her friend. And and because 205 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: this is maybe my favorite part, because they had a 206 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: house together and he thought it would be complicated, and 207 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: you could maybe possibly believe that, BS, if it weren't 208 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: for how brazen they were. You posted a video from Halloween. Yes, 209 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: I did well. Raquel still has in her highlights on 210 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: her Instagram these videos from Halloween, where you, guys, this 211 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: is what I think. This really sick and twisted. I 212 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: think this is part of why it's blown up on 213 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: a nationwide scale because of these strange, gruesome little details. 214 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: On Halloween, Tom dressed up as Raquel. They are in 215 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: videos together Raquel and with Tom dressed up as her. Raquel, 216 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Tom and Ariana we're all going to this same party. 217 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: They all went to this party and Tom thought it's 218 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: going to be cute if I dress up like the 219 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: girl I'm sleeping with. Yes, that is fed up in 220 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: front of my girlfriend is level fed up it is, 221 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: so that is a signal again, they and we had 222 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: already talked about this on the show this week where 223 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: they had the little lightning bolt matching necklaces. They did 224 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: these things that are next level ft up the Harry 225 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: Potter nerd in me and my friend Um who I 226 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: follow follow the Lightning Bolt. Yes, follow the account best 227 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: of Bravo if you want all the Bravo updates. I 228 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: love Maggie. She's great and she's really been on the 229 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: ground collecting all the Reddit news and all that and 230 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: just curating it. She said, like, what in the Harry 231 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Potter is this about the lightning bowl necklaces? And I said, 232 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: it makes sense because you know who did the lightning bolt, 233 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: Scar Baltimart. No, boy, don't go, don't do it. Don't 234 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: do it lightning bolts. So that that to me, and 235 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: you're right, maybe that's what struck a chord with everybody 236 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: is this isn't your garden variety affair. It's a really dark, 237 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: sick just a whole things that they they've done together. 238 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's Tom or whatever, but yeah, 239 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: Tom dressed up as Raquel. That's just messed dress up 240 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: as Rachel and went and hung out with his girlfriend. 241 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: And then in this video, this highlight you're talking about, 242 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: there's like Raquel making a toast in front of Arianna 243 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and Tom. It's just again, it's just so disgusting because 244 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: you know what's going on now that you look at 245 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: it through this lens, you just know how sick and 246 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: twisted it really is. And then there's then there's this video. 247 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: The whole way this thing got played out was there 248 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: at a concert, and we're not sure how she got 249 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: the phone, but Tom's phone ended up on the floor, 250 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: maybe it fell out during the concert. Whatever, she ends 251 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: up with the phone and sees this video. Yes, apparently 252 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: it's unclear the specifics, but Arianna allegedly saw a video 253 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: on Tom's phone, her boyfriend's phone, of Raquel pleasuring herself, 254 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: and so obviously pretty quickly she knew something was going 255 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: on there. So now there's a sex tape in all 256 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: this the new version of a sex tape. So apparently 257 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: allegedly this was a screen recorded FaceTime, a FaceTime screen 258 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: recorded by Tom. And now Raquel has apparently had a 259 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: lawyer send out like cease and assist to the whole 260 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: cast saying do not distribute this video. You can't exchange it, 261 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: it can't go public. The other because it was recorded 262 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: without her consent, and this videos out there now look 263 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: I believe by the way. I mean, people have cheated 264 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: on me before, and I have found the cheating on 265 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: their phones before. The first thing I did was texted 266 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: that evidence to myself because I'm like, I gotta have 267 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: this so I know because the person I was with, 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know this person is a gas lighting narcissist, 269 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: and if I don't have the visual proof, they will 270 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: try to deny it or lie their way out of it. 271 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: I needed the proof from my own sanity. So if 272 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Ariana texted that to herself, you have to I get it, 273 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: because he would have tried to deny it or whatever. 274 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: So she had to do that. But I also, look, 275 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to Rockhell if that video 276 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: ends up, you know, posted online and that every that's 277 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: not fair to her either. Because that's so I get 278 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: the season desist. But you pointed out something interesting about 279 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: the season desist in the warning of it. Well, the 280 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: season desist is she obviously didn't comply, She didn't give 281 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: her consent to be recorded. That is what the loyal argument, 282 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: that's the legal argument. That's the only way they can 283 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: get that season desist is she says, look, I did 284 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: not consent to this video being taken. Tom did it 285 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: behind my back while I was doing my thing, and 286 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: he recorded it. And so if that's true, then why 287 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: are they still in good graces? Why are they still together? 288 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: Because allegedly after all of this, bottom line is when 289 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Bravo started shooting, they were going to continue as if 290 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: Tom and now Raquel are together, kind of figure this 291 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: thing out going forward as a couple. And look, if 292 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: someone had just recorded me against my will and this 293 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: thing without asking, without asking, we're not still dating. Very 294 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: good point. They're finding you in a ditch, noted. So 295 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: do you think that she was just saying it was 296 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: without her consent? Well, I think they go to a 297 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: lawyer and they're like, how do we stop this? They're like, 298 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: the only way you stop this is say I didn't 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: consent to it, because that because this has already gone. 300 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: I promise you media outlets have this, TMZ, whoever it is, 301 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: trust me they have. If two or more people have this, 302 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: it's out in the industry. It's out in this world, 303 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: and these are reality stars, so now it's really out there. 304 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: So it's already out there at established places, whether it's 305 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: people or US Magazine, TMZ whatever they have it. Now, 306 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: it's just can the lawyers keep this under wraps? Will 307 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: it end up on Reddit? Will end up on one 308 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: of the dark web places? Unfortunately, it probably will. But 309 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: this lawyer apparently is doing his damn just to shut 310 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: it down, and good good for him, by the way. Truly, 311 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: I know I have to say, no matter what she 312 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: went through, I don't think it's fair of that video. 313 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: I don't deserve that. But so there's all these reports 314 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: about you know, what her PR strategy is going to 315 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: be that one you know, the one team that she's 316 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: maybe not working with anymore, said play the victim, break 317 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: up with him. Then maybe the PR strategy is that 318 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: they're together and that they're going to be like, we're 319 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: in love and this is real and get behind it 320 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: in that way and try to get people on their 321 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: side in that way. And I just like, what do 322 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: you think? Because I think the truth is probably somewhere 323 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: in the middle. Like if I were her, I'm trying 324 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: to put myself in her shoes, I would be sort 325 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: of questioning everything. I would be like, well, should I 326 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: break up with them? I mean, especially if he did 327 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: record that without her consent? Should I are we together? 328 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Are we in love? Do? I? I mean it also 329 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: goes back to can you trust someone in a relationship 330 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: when they start with that relationship with you as a cheater? Yeah, 331 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's a difficult question. I would just say 332 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: moreover a bigger umbrella for your question. You just ask, 333 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: because I think, yes, there are circumstances where we know 334 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: when affairs happen, look at Amy Robot, TJ. Holmes. But 335 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: I think what matters more is the foundation. The foundation 336 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: that this relationship was built on is not good. And 337 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: if I could give this girl advice, I would get 338 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: her alone. And I hope that this space she's taken 339 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: now by leaving the show and getting away, she will 340 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: look back at some of this stuff going on and 341 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: say this is not a good dude, this is a 342 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: bad situation. And I hope my dream is that all 343 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: of this will continue except now Arianna and somehow Raquel 344 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: will make up and it's everyone against Tom. That's what 345 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: you want. Yes, I'm team everybody except for Tom. And 346 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: Raquel did say in this statement, um, that was to 347 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: make a statement. Well, it was said, sorry allegedly in 348 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: the statement that was really released tonight that it said 349 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: that she left and went home. Was that she doesn't 350 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: know how to apologize. To Ariana, Oh, that's you're talking 351 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: about the People magazine articles saying sources saying sh she 352 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: just well, she apologetic, she has no idea how. And again, 353 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: to me, that goes back to, yeah, you're twenty seven, 354 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: you're twenty eight years old, and I know that's not 355 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: so young, and it's not an excuse, but I get it. 356 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: I get how she has found herself in this hole 357 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and now it's not so cute. It's not so fun, 358 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: it's not so sexy, it's not sex timing each other. 359 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: It's not the cute little fun you know. Thunderbolt, Roquel, 360 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: here's your And I wish I could sit her down 361 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: and be like, get yourself out of this. If you're 362 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: with Tom again, get yourself out of this, because you 363 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: you're your biggest thing. Okay, you just brought up the 364 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: Amy Robot t J. Holmes thing. You and I both 365 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: know people who've there's Yeah, I'm thinking of one couple 366 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: who they are together and married now their relationship started 367 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: as each of them having affairs on their spouses. I 368 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: am not saying this is okay, but I treat every 369 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: relationship that I might talk about or hear about on 370 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: the nature of that specific relationship. And maybe somebody's in 371 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: a horribly unhappy marriage where there being mentally and emotionally abused. 372 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: Maybe they stick it out for the kids. Maybe they 373 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: got a cheat to state saying, and they finally get 374 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: out of it. I don't know. But in this situation, 375 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Tom's biggest thing was was what what did Ariana? What 376 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: was he so unhappy with with Arianna? What was what 377 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: was she doing wrong? What was she doing to him? Nothing? 378 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: From anything we've heard, if he had some big smoking 379 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: gun on Arianna and how horrible she'd been to him, 380 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be rolling it out. We'd be hearing 381 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, we got nothing. All we know his 382 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: The only argument that we have is why he didn't 383 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: tell her about the cheating, and it's because of her 384 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: mental health. I mean, come on, Roquel, look at this guy. 385 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: You're a bigger fan than I am. Clearly I'm gaining 386 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm gaining on you. But obviously you are entrenched in this, 387 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: in this Bravo nation. So you've been watching Vanderpump rules. 388 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: From what I have read and understood in the last 389 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: several days. Tom loves this. Tom loves not maybe not this, 390 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: but I just mean the attention, maybe a little narcissistic. 391 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: These are the things I'm kind of gleaning off of 392 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: what I'm reading online. Is he that guy? That's that's 393 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: I can't pull myself away from this. I love this 394 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: too much. You mean just the attention and everyone talking 395 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: about him. I mean, he certainly loves attention. But you know, 396 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: I think when you're watching reality TV, you're kind of 397 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: like everybody on a reality show loves they're on a 398 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: reality show. And you know, I have to say, there's 399 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: a lot of talk right now about potentially cimates who 400 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: are no longer on the show, Stacey Schroeder, Jack's Brittany, 401 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: Kristen Dodi coming back to the show because they've been 402 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: firing up on social media saying they always knew this 403 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: about Tom. They called it before. What kind of guy 404 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: Tom was? He came across as the nice guy for 405 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: a while, but they always had his number. I have 406 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: a question, Yes, didn't you read something about other people 407 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: knowing about this as well, not just them? But like, okay, 408 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: let's get into that. But I do, but quickly, I 409 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: would love for these OG cast members to come back. 410 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: It reminds me of a superhero movie like where they're 411 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: like activate, yes, activate, and then like they're being there. 412 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: I just see this thing where like they flip a 413 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: switch and like Stas and all these like classics get 414 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: up and they're like, yeah, we must go back. It's 415 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: like how Michael Keaton's coming back as Batman, like THEE 416 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: the old Batman's and the OG all the Spider Man's 417 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: are coming together and the multi scared, be very scared. Well, 418 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: I would love and for the fans out there, they know. 419 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: The way that Vanderpump Rules started, the way the show 420 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: first premiered ten years ago, was that after an episode 421 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Lisa Vanderpump cast member 422 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills is in her restaurants, sir, and it 423 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: just transitioned. You were almost confused. You're almost like, did 424 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: I flip the channel? What just happened? Is this a commercial? 425 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: And it transitioned into the series premiere of Vanderpump Rules 426 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: from an episode of Real Houses of Beverly Hills. So 427 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: here's what I want to happen. OG cast members come 428 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: to the reunion. The Vanderpump Rules Reunion is taping in 429 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: two weeks. They come to the reunion. Jack's stas Kristen 430 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: and I should say Kristen dated Tom in the past 431 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: and Arianna dated Tom after, so Kristen has a lot 432 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: to say. They come to the reunion, they say everything. 433 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: The reunion then transitions into a surprise bonus episode of 434 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: this season of vander Pump Rules that reveals that the 435 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: Ogs are back in the cast. Who hosts the ure, 436 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: Andy Cohenbay, he's just learning about everybody. He's just no. 437 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess he does do all the Bravo. I know 438 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: he did all his stuff. I did, and I will 439 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: say that mucky bastard. That's a god. That's a good 440 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: seat to have a great and well, it's interesting pressure, 441 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, and he's really been leaning into 442 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: this like this has also been a bit groundbreaking, and 443 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: that like all the cast members are talking about it 444 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: live on social media as it's happening. Andy Cohen's been 445 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: weighing and we're really breaking the fourth wall because it's 446 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: all they're not like holding it for this like that. 447 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: So again, one thing we did wrong many times on 448 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: our show is that we tried to save it all, 449 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: and first of all, you're not going to save anything anymore. 450 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as gets out. Social media has 451 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: ruined that the long one of the days where we 452 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: used to have big secret on a show and in 453 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: episode eight it would be revealed and you're like, oh 454 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: my god, no, you've heard about it eight months before. 455 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: So those days are gone. Instead of pretending like it's 456 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: not out there, lean into it. And I love what 457 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: Bravo is doing and as a network, as producers, so far, 458 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: I think they've handled this well. Because you and I 459 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: were talking about this, This will not air for quite 460 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: some time. What would be three four episodes into this 461 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: new season. I imagine the rewatches, the downloads right now 462 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: for the first few episodes are going to be huge. 463 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: And now all of us, including myself, we'll be watching 464 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: looking at this through this new lens. Every time we 465 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: see Tom, every time we see Arianna, every time we 466 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: see Raquel, is she wearing the necklace? Are they giving 467 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: the little touches? Are they looking at each other when 468 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Arianna is not looking? I mean, all of this is 469 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: going to be huge and picked apart. Now. I wanted 470 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: to ask you. Some people DMed me on Instagram and said, oh, 471 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: but I think this is all fake. I think it's 472 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: just for ratings. And you know, because the show didn't 473 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: have good ratings last season, they faked this to give 474 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: a story. No, I don't think so any I mean 475 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: I will defend, you know, as bad as things are going, 476 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: you know on the Bachelor and Bachelorette, and yeah, it's 477 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: not socially relevant anymore. And no one's talking about it. 478 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: There's no magic bullet. It's not like you can say, 479 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: you know what we should do. We should do another 480 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: Culton fence jump, we should do another Ari swap and 481 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: Jason Mesnick, you know something electric, you can't really produce that. 482 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: It comes off canned, It comes off produced. People are 483 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: too savvy. Now, people are smart. People that are watching Bravo, 484 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: people that watch our show. They are very in tune 485 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: now and again social media. These people are going to 486 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: leave the show and they would they would tell you 487 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: that it's fake. And so look, did Bravo produce this? No? Now, 488 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: how they produce it from here on out, how they 489 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: handle it is the genius. This affair was. I hate 490 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: to say it, but as a sick producer, Manna from 491 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Heaven for these producers, they are licking their chops. But 492 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: now how they treat this and how they handle it 493 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: when they, like you said, bringing their former cast members, 494 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: coming up with creative, good ideas of how now to 495 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: I hate to say exploited, but well exploited. Yeah, but 496 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: use this and to produce it. Well, this is where 497 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: the producing will come in. No, they didn't create a 498 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: fake affair, So what is the difference. You can produce 499 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: a moment but not create a moment. Yeah, I mean 500 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: people always asked me, okay, what was real? What was fake? 501 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: And all shows are different. There is a spectrum of 502 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: reality shows. The Kardashians and certain things like that. Duck 503 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: Dynasty is a great example. It's off the air, so 504 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: we can talk about that one hundred percent produced, one 505 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent written, one hundred percent created. None of that 506 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 1: was just impromptu, just so happened. So there are shows 507 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: like that, and then there shows like vander Pump or 508 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: whatever that are probably pretty heavily produced. The moments are created. 509 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: And I always said, what we did a good job 510 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: of was creating the fishbowl environment. You create the environment. 511 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: Now what happens within that environment is what's real. So 512 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: look we knew that me and Bob love Lauren Ziema. 513 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: It's not an accident. We ended up on the two 514 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: on one date. God, we both love you. We hate 515 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: each other. Not a shocker. We ended up on that date. Yeah, 516 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: that's just good producing. And look what happens on that 517 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: date and how you react is what's real. And sure, 518 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: by the way, both Bachelor and vander Pump rolls people 519 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: have noticed like outfits being wrong in different points over 520 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: the years. Or I mean Tom Sandoval ask can we 521 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: refilm that. I'm sure they've reshot a scene or two 522 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: if they needed too for But I do believe this 523 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: is real. I believe this affair is real. Here's my 524 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: biggest clue. They didn't have an even on camera yet. 525 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: If it was produced like they they didn't have it. 526 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: It's been going on since last July. They didn't have 527 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: any even on camera yet. So I do think it 528 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: was It was real, and it was hidden because they're 529 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: pissed off. They missed a lot of Yes another running 530 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: with the cameras because get it. As good as this is, 531 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: we're Bravo and it's really good. They're kicking themselves because 532 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: this is not going to be on TV a lot 533 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: of this seventy percent of the affair. He's not on 534 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: TV by the way, if I mean, they won't do it, 535 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: and they don't need to because everyone will watch every episode. 536 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: But now I'm just like ready to jump to that moment, Like, 537 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: do you as a producer, do you say, let's scrap 538 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: a couple episodes and just get to this. Yeah, but 539 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the anticipation's gonna be so good. We're all in you 540 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: you have the IV in the vein, because now I 541 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: do want to watch what's going on between these three. Okay, 542 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. We mentioned old cast 543 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: members coming back. Kristin Dody's going to come back, hopefully. 544 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: I've wanted to. Kristen was dating Tom for about six years. Actually, 545 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: Arianna and Tom there was a bit of crossover a 546 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: few years ago and maybe they started getting together before 547 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: Kristen and Tom had fully broken up. Now they didn't 548 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: have this friendship Kristen and Arianna. But here's a question. 549 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Do you think once a cheater, always a cheater? Like 550 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: should Arianna have gone into the relationship with Tom thinking, oh, 551 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: he's a cheater. I don't believe in that. I don't 552 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: even I and again, if you had asked me when 553 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: I was twenty twenty seven years old, like Raquel, I 554 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: might have said that life is you know, life is 555 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: very black and white when you're younger. Well, obviously Raquel 556 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily Well, I just mean like, when you're younger, 557 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: you have these strong, demonstrative statements and you live by them. 558 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: It's my way or the highway. The older you get, 559 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: the wiser you get, the more experienced you get, and 560 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: you realize stuff happens. Things happen, and so I don't 561 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: believe in the old adage once a cheater, always a cheater. 562 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: I think life can change. I think relationships are so different. 563 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there is so many differences between my first 564 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: marriage and this relationship and our soon to be marriage. 565 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: So you can't compare those. You're when you're a decade 566 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: two decades older. You're a different human being. You're a 567 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: different man, you're a different woman completely. I think what's 568 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: frustrating for people about this situation is again Tom didn't 569 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: like Okay, again, I'm thinking, say, somebody has just this 570 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: was not a complicated enough situation to justify Tom's cheating, Like, 571 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: just break up with Arianna, Just break up with her, 572 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: the alleged report about always like we have a house, 573 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be hard. Oh my gosh, what about 574 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: a view of kids like come on, man, just end it. 575 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: And if he loves reality TV, which he does, and 576 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: he loves to be the center of it, what better 577 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: than a great breakup story of I'm breaking up with 578 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: you and I'm gonna be with Raquel. This is what 579 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: leads me to something about the psychology and the pathology 580 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: of this whole thing with him. He loved some form 581 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: of this. Maybe he doesn't now because again, once everything 582 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: blows up, it's not so pretty anymore. But there was 583 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: a sick, twisted high that he was getting off of this, 584 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: of both of them being at his show, both of 585 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: them being at the Halloween party, her wearing the little 586 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: trinket that he's wearing, and only they know. But you 587 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: notice in all these little sick twisted moments, Arianna had 588 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. He wanted the voyeurism. 589 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't even the danger there was And again I 590 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: got to look more into the psychology of this, but 591 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: there's definitely a deep seated thing where he wanted Arianna 592 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: always in these moments where he had Raquel, Oh, I 593 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: had not thought about that. I gotta take a sip 594 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: of my tequila. That's a good point. They were. I mean, 595 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: the cheating happened allegedly in heart when Arianna was asleep 596 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: in the next room, like Roquel. It's unclear completely why 597 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Raquel stayed at their house. Maybe they were all drinking 598 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: and so she slept in their guests. It happens people 599 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: from my show stayed here at the house. Yeah, no, 600 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I'm saying she wasn't, like to 601 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: be clear, she wasn't living with them or something, but 602 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: she stayed at their house for some reason. And I'm 603 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: sure it happened more than that, but she she was 604 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: asleep in the next room. Asleep in the next room. 605 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: You're right again, there's there's something there when you consider 606 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: the concert, the Halloween, there's so many little stories that 607 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: have gotten out, and Arianna was a part of them all. 608 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: And that's just what is messed up. Right, where's the guilt? 609 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: As we talked about on Monday, his statement didn't say 610 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: I hope he releases another statement, but that first one 611 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,959 Speaker 1: didn't have an apology to Arianna. Where's the guilt? Where 612 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: is the Yeah. So, now we had mentioned that other 613 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: people were involved in this, So let's talk about the 614 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: report that Tom and Raquel reportedly spent Christmas in Saint Louis, 615 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: where Tom is from, with his family. What so the 616 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: family again, you know, there's former cast members that kind 617 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: of had an inkling of this, but there's family that 618 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: knew about this. They they've spent time together with families. 619 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: Some screenshots of surfaced of Raquel's sister allegedly posting a 620 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: photo of them and like making kind of an if 621 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, you know comment that quote so and so 622 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: should really be together? Like it was the hiding in 623 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: plain sight, the fact that the family was involved. Look, 624 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: it raises the question when do you you know? When 625 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: do you like And it's also become a question with 626 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: Tom's best friend, Tom Schwartz, confusingly both named Tom. But 627 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: if Tom Schwartz knew about this, he's also friends with Ariana, 628 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: Like does he When do you have an obligation or 629 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: a duty to out someone one who you love on 630 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: something they're doing wrong? I would venture to guess maybe 631 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: not everybody, but I don't I bet I'm not off 632 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: by saying ninety percent of the people listening to this 633 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: have either been cheated on or half cheated. You're in 634 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: one of those two camps, maybe both, Oh for sure, 635 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: maybe many have done probably one hundred. If you've gone 636 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: through this life unscathed, the nearer a grown adult and 637 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: you haven't been cheated on or have cheated God bless you. Congratulations. 638 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: But what you're saying about the obligation is very interesting 639 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: because it depends on who's camp you're in. So let's 640 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: say it's Raquel's family. My own personal stance on this 641 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: is I appreciate those that maybe they're not going to 642 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: run to Arianna. Maybe that's a step too far, but 643 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: maybe they would take a stance to Arianna and Tom. 644 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: Maybe they would go to Ariana and say, hey, I'm 645 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: not going to say anything, but you got to do something. 646 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: You know this isn't right. Oh you mean did Tom 647 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: and Raquel right? I'm sorry? Yeah? Did I get getting 648 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: everyone mixed up? Yes? To Raquel. Say you're in Riquel's 649 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: family and you're at Christmas and Tom shows up. You 650 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: go to your sister, your daughter, you're whatever, she is, 651 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: your friend and say, hey, babe, I love you, you're 652 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: my girl. I'm not going to bury you. I'm not 653 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: going to sell you out, but this has got to stop. 654 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: You're better than this. You need to be better than this. 655 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: Same thing with Tom and the other Tom, whoever his 656 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: friends or whoever his people that knew and at least 657 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: didn't say, hey, man, if you don't put a stop 658 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: to this, I will. You need to. This is sick. 659 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: I agree. It's all about not it's about drawing a line. 660 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying I can't support this. I can't partake in this. 661 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: I can't be a part of it. The ideal that 662 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: you think, you know someone's going to write in and 663 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: be like I'm gonna go to Arianna, and I'm going 664 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 1: to tell you, by the way, that's a little too much. 665 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: That's not reality, right. I don't expect Tom's family to 666 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: go to Arianna. I actually think that would be I mean, 667 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how close she is 668 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: with them, but I don't think you welcome them in. 669 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: How do you like, Hey, welcome for Christmas? Guys, where's 670 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: the woman you live with and own a home with 671 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: that have been with for almost ten years? In lighter 672 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: dark meat? What would you like? Do you want? Do 673 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: you like marshmallows and your ste potato castroll Like what, yeah, 674 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: it's I have drawn that line in the sand with 675 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: friends before. I've I've said, look, I can't talk to 676 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: you about this part of your life anymore because it's 677 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: not healthy for you. It's not right. It's until you 678 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: and like I've had pauses and friendships before that. Then 679 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: they've come back months later once that person wasn't doing 680 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: that thing anymore. But that's why it's wild to me. 681 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: And again, what's if the sister did really post these 682 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: screenshots and photos. The fact that she was reveling in 683 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: it a little bit too is like did she love 684 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: the reality TV of it all? Did she love you? Know? 685 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: It's it's a tough call, but in all things being equal, 686 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: you would hope someone in their camps would have stood 687 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: up and said, hey, guys, you got to put a 688 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: stop to this. Speaking of putting a stop to this, 689 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: are there any other major headlines before we put a 690 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: pin in this tonight? Okay, I'm gonna throw one more 691 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: weird thing at you. Okay, I wouldn't, by the way, 692 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: well I want to sorry. Okay, two more things. One, 693 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: the ogs coming back. Some people are like they were 694 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: fired for a reason. Stacy Schroeder was in some controversy 695 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: herself a couple of years ago. My stance on this 696 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: has always been one I don't think punishment lasts forever. 697 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: So they've done the time for doing the crime, and 698 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: two problematic people are on reality television. Like, I'm not 699 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: saying it's okay. I'm not saying they should get away 700 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: with everything, and I do. I think there's a line 701 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: and that there should be punishment for offenses. But reality 702 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: TV is about I mean dramatic reality TV. Yeah, it 703 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: done well is about Yeah, it involves problematic. When our 704 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: show over the last twenty years was at its best, 705 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: when it was the greatest, what are you going to 706 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: talk about? It was those crazy moments. It was Yes, 707 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: there were some loving moments, but it was those crazy moments. 708 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: And as a producer with my producer had on with 709 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: what I love about the Ogs coming back is they're producible, 710 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: they want to come back. They're very producible, good at 711 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: being on TV. They're good at being on TV. They're 712 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: going to be so for Andy Cohen, they're essentially plants, 713 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: and he's going to have plants in there that they 714 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: will be ready to fire the questions that Andy can 715 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: ask places he doesn't want to go. I mean, Andy 716 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: doesn't shy away from anything, but he's not on the show, right, 717 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: He's not on the show, and they can go places 718 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: and they know things. So they are essentially producers on 719 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: the set that can really stir things up. All right, 720 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: So the last thing, I'm gonna give you the last twisted, 721 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: weird little thing. So we were talking about the family 722 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: condoniate or Tom Schwartz and all that. So there's also, 723 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, so many interviews that are now being looked 724 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: at just like we're looking at these episodes because these 725 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: people went on press tours for the new season. I 726 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: talked about the interview where Roquel is with Sheena, another 727 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: cast member, and Roquel saying, oh, Arianna is my true friend. 728 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: She's welcomed me to the show. Tom Schwartz and Tom 729 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: Sandoval have done interviews together and Tom Schwartz is kind 730 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: of standing there. You know, we should note what was 731 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: going to be the storyline this season was Tom Schwartz 732 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: and Riquel allegedly hooking up. Oh gosh, it is now 733 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: thought that that was maybe a total red herring of 734 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: Tom Schwartz trying to cover the truth, which is that 735 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: his friend Tom Sandoval was hooking up with Riquel. Now 736 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: that's really that's messed up too. Chris is, Oh, my 737 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: mind is blown. His eyes just got so wide. I'm 738 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: just dropping this on your I mean, there's one thing 739 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: about covering for your boy and like, you know, bro code, 740 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: But come on, man, that's do you think that's what 741 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: do you think? That's juicy? That's good. That is so 742 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: all these interviews are being analyzed, right, So we're gonna 743 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback this now and go back and watch. 744 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: That's again, That's why I'm glad they're not throwing this 745 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: on this right now. I want to look at all 746 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: of this through this lens, I knowing what I know. Yeah, 747 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: go back and now watch these future episodes that are 748 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: going to lead up to the cheating scandal. So the 749 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: last weird little thing I'm gonna leave you with is 750 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: a moment from an interview where roquell Is asked, well, 751 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: who did you get close with this season? First of all, 752 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: Raquel is like, oh, yeah, you know, this was supposed 753 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: to be this redemption season for her. She was going 754 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: to come into her own Oh gosh, and she says 755 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: that she's gotten close with like Sheena and Arianna and 756 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval. And she says, Tom Sandoval has really been 757 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: a good for me. He's really treated me like a 758 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: little sister. Yeah what, what's no words on that one? 759 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: Maybe bad, poor choice of words. I get what she 760 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: was probably trying to do to deflect all of this attention. 761 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 1: But that and that's why Tom Sandoval is the real 762 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: problem here for me. He is. And I'm not again, 763 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Raquel's a victim and she knew what 764 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: she was doing was wrong. But Tom Sandoval is. He's 765 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: the real problem here for me. So this has been 766 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: a much needed episode. This has been drink in hand 767 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: the vander Dump, the most dramatic podcast. We have to 768 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: put a pin in it tonight because my wine, because 769 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: you've blown my mind so many times. My wineglass is empty. Sorry, 770 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: I love John the little sister. I need to run 771 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: to the wine celler get more cabernet. But just know 772 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: that I don't think this story is going anywhere, and 773 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: neither are we. We will keep you up to date 774 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: on everything that's going on with this vander Pump Rules affair. 775 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: We'll start bringing people on We will follow this because 776 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: it is captivating and it has captivated all of us. Yes, 777 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: and follow us because we're talking about it more. I'm 778 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: at Lauren Ziema, Chris is at Crispy Harrison Chris B. Harrison, 779 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: middle name Brian, and the podcast is at the Most 780 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: Dramatic pot Ever. Like subscribe and please leave a good 781 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: rating and cheers, beers cheers to Arianna. We love you, Arianna. 782 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: This has been a special breaking news edition of the 783 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: Most Dramatic Podcast Ever. We'll talk to you next time 784 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: because we have a lot more to talk about. Thanks 785 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the Most Dramatic 786 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: Pod Ever and make sure to write us a review 787 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.