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Speaker 1: Between the Horns is back and as always, we are

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Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyo to dealers. I'm JB.

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Speaker 1: Long with my friends DeMarco Farr, Maurice Jones Drew made it, respectively, Bigger, Faster,

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Speaker 1: and stronger. Yes, the twenty twenty five campaign. I'm stronger.

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Speaker 2: No, you're doing a lot of walking, and I love

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Speaker 2: that you're posting on social media. I love watching that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I love watching it gets me going to start walking

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Speaker 3: and doing more. Actually, yeah, I started running sore. I

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Speaker 3: keep seeing you walk through smoke and whatnot. You can

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Speaker 3: travel in the world. I did travel where I was

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Speaker 3: spreading the word about the rams in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: West met a lot of good folks.

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Speaker 2: We're excited.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we start right there? I was gonna ask, like,

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Speaker 1: what's the most fun you've had since we last sat

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Speaker 1: down together? What's the summer summary? Go for me, go

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Speaker 1: for it. Well, wait a second, it's like what having

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Speaker 1: a mustache?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I still there. I just let it all grow in.

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Speaker 3: I'm going back. I haven't got a haircut in a while.

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Speaker 3: It's it's been hard man to bounce back. We went

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Speaker 3: to China, had a great time. Spent ten days in

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Speaker 3: the mustache because I wanted the pictures and I'll show

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Speaker 3: you later to look like when I edited him to

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Speaker 2: I was like a.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eight traveler, okay, researcher, whatever it may be. So

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Speaker 3: UH got you. Got to see the Great Wall, got

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Speaker 3: to see uh a bunch of other stuff. Went to Shanghai,

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Speaker 3: which is an awesome city. It was awesome. It was fun, hot, hot, nice,

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Speaker 3: and I just slept finally from like ten to five.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting back on my sleeping patterns.

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Speaker 4: Two weeks ago when I got back ten to five, am.

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Speaker 2: Wow, poor guy. Yes, sir, you your summer summer a

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Speaker 4: My daughter she actually went out for a h the

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Speaker 4: the donkey part in truck and she got it. So

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Speaker 4: it's perfect for her. She caught the the acting bug.

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Speaker 4: Now I love that, I don't. Yeah, yes, now she

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Speaker 4: wants to do more stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you have an actress and a college graduate.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, do you have a college? Yes?

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Speaker 1: My way to go.

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Speaker 4: The daughter graduating from Oregon State. Very happy? Now, yes,

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Speaker 4: where is she now? Is she back home? She is

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Speaker 4: getting ready to go to Spain. Good Man, So I

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Speaker 4: need all your advice. See, there you go, Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: On that note, we want to be the first to

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Speaker 1: welcome you back to LMU. It's great to be here

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Speaker 1: in Westchester on the West Side once again, the site

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Speaker 1: for RAMS training camp, presented by Unifi Financial Credit Union. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The coaches have reported the players are here getting set

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Speaker 1: for their first workout. Sean McVay addressed the media yesterday. Guys,

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the senior Statesman. Right tackle Rob

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Speaker 4: The heart and soul of the football team, the toughness

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Speaker 4: That sends a message to the rest of the team.

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Speaker 3: He is the key to this whole offensive line when

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Speaker 1: Keeping that offensive line healthy. That should help keep Matthew

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Speaker 3: I kind of think of it more of its like, hey,

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Speaker 2: We'll ease you back in.

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Speaker 1: He is here. There's no contract drama like maybe twelve

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Speaker 1: on the side for the acclamation period here. These first

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Speaker 4: He doesn't need a ton of camp, but you'd like

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Speaker 3: I think it's a very unique situation because he's been

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Speaker 3: the fact that they've made progress is big. The fact

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Speaker 4: It's tough to be a running back these days. But

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he's here. I really am. And for what

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Speaker 4: So you have to come compete for your job.

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Speaker 2: Now. As far as paying running backs, that's a hard one. Bro.

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Speaker 4: Running backs have been I guess for the work one, Well,

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Speaker 4: you pay special, right, but it seems like the average

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Speaker 4: He's here, he's here to compete, so I think something

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Speaker 1: I think to be fair to our audience and the

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Speaker 1: as someone who eats and drinks and breeze rams football

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Speaker 1: every day, I absolutely understand the desire to have Kiraen

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Speaker 1: I'm not really coming down on either side of the line.

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Speaker 3: He has to be realistic as well, right, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 3: And then literally when I got my deal done, Leon

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Speaker 1: I think what he said yesterday and the fact that

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Speaker 1: He just wants to have the opportunity to play for

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Speaker 2: Back back in July, right, that'd be great?

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So this is normally the part of

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Speaker 1: measure success for the twenty twenty five Rams. But I

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Speaker 1: it's nice to be back in these where it's a

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Speaker 4: And I've been talking to as many people as possible

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Speaker 4: It's hard to get good or to become better when

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Speaker 1: To be in. Well, I don't think they play this

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Speaker 2: I think for me again, I said it and I'll

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Speaker 3: With this team, it's about health right, keeping these these

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Speaker 2: And they're young and they don't cost a lot. That's

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Speaker 1: Look, DeMarco, I don't want to interrupt.

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Speaker 4: There's my answer right there, when he shows up to

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Speaker 4: seems it will be I guess it's get healthy once

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Speaker 4: locked down whoever else they played. That's what That's how

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Speaker 3: And I I anytime your trenches, like, there's teams that

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Speaker 3: Those guys are gonna get better in training camp. You

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Speaker 3: after it. And that's where you're gonna get better by

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Speaker 1: I was reflecting earlier today that none of us know

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Speaker 3: Well, it reminds me of drafted node or not drafted

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Speaker 2: When I can put three guys on one side and

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting callback because I had written down I

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Speaker 4: Yes, And he's gonna help you on third down. I

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Speaker 4: DeVante Adams is gonna help you there to stay on

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Speaker 4: So when you say, well, Devonte Adams isn't what he

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Speaker 2: Here we go. I'm not even worried about over.

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Speaker 3: And we've seen Matthew Stafford do that a ton, right

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Speaker 3: when you had Cooper Cup and OBJ was like, you

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Speaker 3: So when you have that type of person, it just

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Speaker 1: One of the things I'll be watching you guys can

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're very successful. They get up and

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Speaker 1: You'd have to go look at their August stats because

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Speaker 1: group takes a big step forward.

438
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Speaker 2: I hope.

439
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,640
Speaker 4: So I was about as bullish as you were last year,

440
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,720
Speaker 4: and I'm surprised it didn't work out or it took

441
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,040
Speaker 4: so long to get going. But when Higbee came back,

442
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a team leader. You remember when he scored,

443
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,159
Speaker 4: everybody was completely bonkers. But it changed the offense some.

444
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 4: And we've always said about a McVeigh offense, and maybe

445
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,560
Speaker 4: it does change with Devonte Adams. But if you could

446
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,640
Speaker 4: make the Pro Bowl at tight end in this offense,

447
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 4: you are the man because of what they ask you

448
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,479
Speaker 4: block like a tackle, run routes like a receiver, and

449
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 4: all of a sudden switch on the fly when Stafford

450
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,720
Speaker 4: feels like it, and you're gonna be the move guy

451
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960
Speaker 4: most more often than not. So there's a lot left there,

452
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 4: a lot to be done on offense. But I'm excited

453
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,480
Speaker 4: about Ferguson and what he can do down the middle

454
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 4: of the field. Or maybe you might be able to

455
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,520
Speaker 4: use the back pylon in the end zone, in the

456
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,240
Speaker 4: red zone at some point with a big receiver that

457
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,239
Speaker 4: can go up and get it. So I'm with you

458
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,680
Speaker 4: if you can find a way to maximize that position.

459
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,439
Speaker 4: In this offense, There's almost not much you can do

460
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 4: as a free safety.

461
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,040
Speaker 2: You can't cover them all up. He reminds me of

462
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 2: the young Tyler Higby, though.

463
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 3: He reminds me of that blanket that Jared Golf had

464
00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 3: when you drafted Tyler Higby. That guy he can go

465
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 3: to throw a quick flat two, and the guy can

466
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 3: make you miss. He'll get you twelve fifteen yards and extend.

467
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is going to be the

468
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 3: physicality that you need in the red zone of the

469
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 3: tight ends. I think that was what was missing more

470
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 3: than anything when you look at Stafford trying to fit

471
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 3: the ball in a lot of the receiver or tight

472
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,680
Speaker 3: ends were like they weren't physical at contact. When you're

473
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 3: not pushing off a lineback, you're not creating space. In

474
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 3: the red zone. It's about creating space and if you

475
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 3: really all the all the additions offensively, it's about red

476
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 3: zone if you notice it right, It's a receiver that

477
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 3: can win one on one in the red zone, a

478
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: tight end that can run option routes and create space,

479
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 3: and athletic enough to catch the ball and do things.

480
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,199
Speaker 3: That's what he did at Oregon. So I'm excited to

481
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,479
Speaker 3: kind of see that this red the red zone numbers

482
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 3: as the rams are really good from twenty to twenty,

483
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 3: but what are they going.

484
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 2: To do in the red zone.

485
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Speaker 1: I got more thoughts on t Fergan a little bit

486
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 1: when we talk rookies, But let's transition to that offensive

487
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 1: line and especially the center Coleman Shelton, Because why do

488
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: I believe in Stafford at age thirty seven. Why am

489
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,360
Speaker 1: I betting on Devonte at thirty three and Higbee at

490
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: thirty two? Why do I think there are career years

491
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 1: available for Pooka in year three and two to two.

492
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,719
Speaker 1: I think it's because of Coleman Shelton. I think he's

493
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: a force multiplier. I think he fixes a lot of

494
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 1: what prevented the Rams from attaining their highest level last year,

495
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: including in the final few reps at that season. He

496
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 1: might be one of the most undervalued offensive players in

497
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: the NFC.

498
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 2: And he's walking out right now. There is right there,

499
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 2: nice big dude.

500
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Speaker 4: You know it's He's a veteran center, So number One's

501
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 4: same thing with offense defense. As many times asf you've

502
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 4: been through it, you're gonna see things, yes, before they happen.

503
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 4: I look, they're giving me this. I know they're about

504
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 4: to do that. Tell that to your quarterback, tell that

505
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 4: to your guards. So he's a veteran guy, and he's

506
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 4: tough as nails too so and that just takes more

507
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 4: pressure off Matthew Stafford, who seemed like he had to

508
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 4: do a lot more.

509
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: Preventing the worst from happening, preventing the negatives that derailed

510
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: some of the positives that were readily apparent. You just

511
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: could never really seem to harness.

512
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

513
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 3: I thought Bolmmer did an awesome job. I just thought

514
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 3: it was tough. His communication nothing right, and that's nothing

515
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: at right.

516
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: They got way more where would the rams have been

517
00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: without him?

518
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 3: Way more than what do you expected. But communication at

519
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: that position is key. That is the most important thing

520
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: at the center position, to be able to communicate down

521
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 3: the line to your backs and to your quarterback to

522
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: protect and pass the situations you talked about those last

523
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 3: two snaps, there was miscommunication and so again they got

524
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 3: into the red zone. They stalled, right, So you bring

525
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 3: back your old center that communicated and made sure that

526
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: everybody was on the same page and understood, and you

527
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: talked about it the snaps and the reps and seeing everything,

528
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 3: so now I know what's going on. Hey this guy,

529
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: yeah know what he's gonna do. This is what, this

530
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: is how we're gonna do this. And I think that's

531
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: what was missed. Especially in an offense in which there's

532
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 3: so much verbiage and so many things going on in

533
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: checks and moves and this, your center has to be

534
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 3: able to understand here one two words and then be

535
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: able to communicate and get everybody on the same page.

536
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: Let's flip the defense and the guy he's gonna be

537
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: sweating on for the next two weeks. That's poone afford

538
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: because if getting Coleman back in this building was one

539
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: way to address maybe the most raw nerve that was

540
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: bothering the Rams offense. I feel like poon Afford is

541
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: that for this defense, showing up the biggest deficiency so

542
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: that what you've built can be great.

543
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: You know what's funny.

544
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 4: You've watching all the players walk down the field, right, Yeah,

545
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: what have you noticed about all of them? They're all smiling.

546
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 4: This is the first day of training camp. You're not

547
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 4: supposed to be smiling. I always smile at training camp.

548
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: You don't have me train hack.

549
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: No, I'm getting ready to get beat up to two hours.

550
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: To be honest, training camp for me was so much

551
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: fun because I got to go home.

552
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: And you don't get hit, right, don't hit Marie, No,

553
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: come on all the time.

554
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: That's why you didn't know. I wish what was the

555
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: question again? I'm sorry, I'm gone you Yeah, go ahead.

556
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: So I think I think the Rams, if you look

557
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: at their defense, it was obviously giving up big run

558
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: plays right, and it was really be gap to be gap.

559
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: What Puna Ford can do is control that control b

560
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: gap to be gap because you get here. I've talked

561
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: to multiple centers around the league just about him and

562
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: other coaches and they're like, that may be the sign

563
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: of free agents.

564
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, his ability to control.

565
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: Those gaps and still get pass rush out of that

566
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: as well is gonna collapse pockets.

567
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: And again it's gonna allow the other guys to be

568
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: able to do what they want.

569
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Speaker 4: That makes everybody. Or if you can hold that a gap,

570
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 4: the backside, the front side, what have you. He's he's

571
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: a good reader of blocks. He can shoot in there

572
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: to the backfield and be a disruptor. He can hold

573
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 4: the point. He's he's the perfect nose tackle. He's the

574
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: perfect height, long arms, same everything.

575
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

576
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 4: And he could care less if he makes the player

577
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: or not, just as long as the ball carrier goes down.

578
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: So he's unselfish. And I like what you said. In

579
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 4: an obvious passing situation or if it goes from from

580
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 4: run to pass, he can straighten out. He's got some wiggle. No,

581
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: he can win one on one.

582
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: And he can put his hands in your chest and

583
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: run you into quarterly.

584
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: So like, what are you going to do when you

585
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: have these guys winning so fast on the edge, right,

586
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: and then you got a guy caving down the pocket?

587
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, how many ops do they get? I feel like

588
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: if I could pay to see one end of your

589
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: stat for twenty twenty five, it might be the opposing

590
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: offense's average yards left on second down. Like if you

591
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: show me that number.

592
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Average yards left on second down.

593
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Basically like, do you stop h if that trends in

594
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: a healthy direction. I have no doubt that Chris Shuling

595
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: Company are going to make strides this year. And it's

596
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: not just I mean shout out to Tyler Davis entering

597
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: year two draft ty Hamilton. I think the Rams collectively

598
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: are more stout up front, and I think that's gonna

599
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: be great things for Kobe Turner.

600
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Well, not to go old man.

601
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: On the dais please, I think he may be the

602
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: best true nose tackle the Rams have had in twenty years.

603
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: Not just the guy you put there because there's no

604
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 4: other spot for him, right, or he's not a good

605
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: enough three technique, or Aaron's not giving this guy enough run.

606
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: This is a true nose tackle. This is what he does.

607
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 4: I lock this down like a small refrigerator, Yes he does,

608
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: like the one you bring to college, right, Yes, college refrigeration.

609
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: He's got long arms, Yes, we're talking about you.

610
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: Linebacker position now has spates as a sophomore, Nate Lammon

611
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: and free agency, a drafted rookie and Poop Paul and

612
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: an undrafted named Sean Dolac, who I'm gonna try and

613
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: name drop every day on this set because I think

614
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: he's a fan favorite already.

615
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this JB about the linebackers. You're gonna

616
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: learn a lot about them in the preseason. Oh yeah,

617
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: we learned a lot about Omar Spates in preseason. Remember

618
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: that first game. Oh, I was like, dude, he was

619
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: playing with an intent to be violent. Yeah, And I

620
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: remember what we were talking about. I was like, if

621
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: you can get him on the field on first and

622
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: second down, he'll be okay. And that's what he was.

623
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: He was awesome on first and second down. We talked

624
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: about those jumps from year one to year two. He

625
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: has to take a huge step to be able to

626
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: come in on that third down, to be that that

627
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: nickel or dime linebacker. We don't have to put a

628
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: safety in the box right right, And then you know

629
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: you're going against the Eagles and they're running the ball

630
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: at your safeties. You don't want that. You don't want

631
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley and lineman running up on safeties. No, you

632
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: have to be that guy to be able to cover

633
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: and go. So it's gonna be a huge jump for him.

634
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: And then Nate Nate Landman is from the from the crib.

635
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: He will hit you. He's from the crib, He's from Danville,

636
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 2: he went to Monavasa High School. We'll hit you.

637
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: He finds the ball, he just turnovers. He just when

638
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: you watch his tape, it's like, why is this guy always.

639
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: Around the ball.

640
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: And some people just have a knack for being where

641
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: the ball is supposed to be. He's one of those guys.

642
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: And so to me, you have a guy that can

643
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: be forceful against the run, and then the guy that

644
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: can find the ball.

645
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: You're good.

646
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: Omar Space I thought had his best game the last

647
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: game of the season against Philadelphia, had a sack, he

648
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: was all over the place. Had a few games where

649
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: he had ten tackles more. You could just tell the

650
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: confidence was growing again your second time through where you've

651
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: seen the same offense or the same approach, you know

652
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: how they're trying to get you. That's only gonna make

653
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: you a little bit faster. So I think what sixty

654
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 4: tackles in eleven games something like that.

655
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: That'll project over seventeen in a way that you're gonna.

656
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Speaker 4: Like he'll be up in the upper hundreds as far

657
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: as tackles, as long as he stays healthy and could

658
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: actually have a career year or he will have because

659
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: of guess what's in front of him, Poona Ford. Yeah,

660
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: there won't be free runners coming to that middle linebacker anymore.

661
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: All right, quick word on the secondary. I think the

662
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: safety trio of Kinchin's, Curl and Lake might be vastly unheralded,

663
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: especially when you mix in McCullough and the biggest bet

664
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: that Rams placed on themselves this offseason has to be

665
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: in the secondary. You got a thirty two year old

666
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: corner in d will a thirty year old in Akello,

667
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: a fourth year pro, and Kobe Durant. I believe it's

668
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: got a shot to work out well and even if

669
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: it breaks down somewhere, come on, Emmanuel Forbes, Darien Kendrick,

670
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: Josh Wallace, Charles Woods. They got optionality there, They got

671
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: numbers to throw at the problem.

672
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: But this is the thing, though, you have pass rush

673
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 3: me and me and DeMarco get out there, jab go

674
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: going get some safety when the quarterback has three seconds

675
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: to get to the get the ball off. That's what

676
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: That's what you're looking for, right, That's that fords you

677
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: to do that in the secondary, to have some older

678
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: veteran players at study and understand. I still remember uh

679
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Darius Williams pick against Seattle. Oh yeah, right, he still

680
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: has that play to pick against the Niners.

681
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: To sell it. Uh.

682
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: So you when you get pass rush and you force

683
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: that ball out quickly, allows these these older guys that

684
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: that are smart and understanding can play and still can run,

685
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: to play a little bit longer than what you want. Now,

686
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: if there's a guy then if you don't have pass rush,

687
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: can had these these you gotta have?

688
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have.

689
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: Let's land this playing With a few final questions, which

690
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: rookie are you looking forward to seeing the most out

691
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: here in the coming weeks?

692
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: Ferguson me too, Yeah, hell come, just because of what

693
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 4: he might bring to this offense and what we think

694
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: this offense can be with some I guess fresh blood

695
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: at that spot. No diss to too big rig to

696
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 4: Tyler Higbee, but I'm very excited to see what they

697
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: do and possibly on the field at the same time.

698
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: You know why, I think it's so important not just

699
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: to this team, but to the future of Rams football.

700
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Is because I think one of the last remaining salary

701
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: cap cheek codes is having a pass catching tight end,

702
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: either on a rookie deal or that you can extend

703
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: for less than a premium wide receiver. And when you

704
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: see the extensions coming down the pike for these Los

705
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, you're gonna have to pay Pooka and Kobe

706
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: and Ovula and verse right for that to work.

707
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: Gotta take it from somewhere.

708
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: I think it's essential to have a productive, cost controlled

709
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: tight end, and he's kind of someone that the Rams

710
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: have been chasing, I think since the first pick of

711
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: the Sean McVay era being drilled Everett.

712
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well I'll piggyback on that because I think

713
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the one that has the greatest chance

714
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: to play fast enough. But remember twelve personnel, Well, yeah,

715
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: that's what you actually have two tight ends. How the

716
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: Rams actually did that? How crazy that was and it

717
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: was throwing teams off and they were running like crazy.

718
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: They play action pass was awesome a couple of years ago.

719
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: Maybe that maybe that as another version of it is.

720
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's different too, is in the post Cooper

721
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: and we mentioned his name here in minute thirty whatever.

722
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: They were playing eleven and a half person out right,

723
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: especially once Pooh can play twelve out of eleven. And

724
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be different versions of this offense, and

725
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I think to replace that factor, maybe you do plug

726
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: in a different tight end as opposed to a third

727
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: third receiver. Other names that interest you, name drop someone

728
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be a rookie that you're gonna

729
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: be watching closely, either an individual or team behind me.

730
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: Let me see where he is.

731
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: You mentioned Pooh, right, a new line poop pol another linebacker.

732
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: Now I have to say this with all due respect,

733
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: can you be the one that basically puts Reader on

734
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: the bench? Can you be that linebacker? Can you beat

735
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: him out? You've got the ability, That's that's a great

736
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: question you're saying. It's pointing the readers here. He's the

737
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: base line to beat.

738
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: You should be chasing him down. Absolutely.

739
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: If you want to earn a job in the NFL,

740
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: you got to run somebody down, right.

741
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Can you be that guy? Can you be that third linebacker?

742
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: At some point if you play Baltimore or Philadelphia, if

743
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: you have designs on winning the Lombardi, you're gonna have

744
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: to face teams that do play twelve or twenty one.

745
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to go out there with three linebackers.

746
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: Do you have him right now? We're gonna find out.

747
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

748
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: To me, it's gonna be the interior O line. I

749
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: think that's gonna be the biggest thing and how important.

750
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: I want to see the jump from those three Like

751
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: they did a really good job. We talked about the communication,

752
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: but can they become more dominant?

753
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: So plug calming back in and see what it means

754
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: to the two guards.

755
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: Okay, if those guys can be dominant there and you're

756
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: running that downhill running game and then that play action

757
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: pass and all those things that come out of that,

758
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: that to me, I think is gonna really Again, I

759
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: don't know. When I look at the Rams, I look

760
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: at him and hey, we want to score as many

761
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: points and let our.

762
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: Pass runers find their ears back.

763
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: Well, those three guys inside have to be dominant order

764
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: for that to happen, because one, you got to create

765
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: lanes in the running game. Then two you gotta allow

766
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Safford Will to step up and make some throws.

767
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I picked Jordan Winnington, who I think is a bit

768
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: of a forgotten man as we prepare for this season,

769
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: in part because of the impact he made on special

770
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: teams at the end of last season. I hope he

771
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: can continue to be that guy for this edition of

772
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: the Rams. But a little pop quiz here for our

773
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: first between the Horns of the season. Other than Puka Nakua,

774
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: who is pro football focuses number one ungraded wide receiver.

775
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Do you know the only other Ram who was top

776
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: twenty five? It was Whittington. It was Whittington in his

777
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: start six catches for sixty two, seven for eighty nine,

778
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: three for eighty six. In a post Cooper Cup world,

779
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Whittington, who broke out last preseason, can

780
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: really be a factor.

781
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: I know how we couched him or or kind of

782
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: described him. I think he has something different in mind.

783
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 4: We were thinking special team or part time receiver. He

784
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: may be thinking something opposite. Question, give me an opportunity

785
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: on offense and don't let me show you what happens, and.

786
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: I'll end it with this JB.

787
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm still hoping that two to owl continues to have

788
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: the seventeen yards of separation.

789
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: He's in a different category.

790
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, we talked about all these people yet two

791
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: two owl. Every time he gets anop in the Eagles game,

792
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: he comes off the sideline, runs a deep comeback, catches

793
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: the ball goes back to the sideline, Like, how does

794
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: that happen? I remember coming off the sideline in the

795
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: cold being tight. Right, Yeah, don't this don't feel good?

796
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: He comes off, gets separated, catches the ball, gets the

797
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: ball here, go back.

798
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: We're good.

799
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: He's proven to be more complete than any might have

800
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: given him credit for it. But I still think he's

801
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: in a separate seat in the wide receiver room because

802
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: of his superpower, right. I mean, he brings something to

803
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: the table that only one of them have, and I

804
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: think all the other pieces together make a lot of sense.

805
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I think this receiver group fits together really well. And

806
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: you've got some some depth there. Yeah, you do big time.

807
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: Want to drop a position battle on the way out here.

808
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: You kind of said into your offensive line, but that's

809
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: not really a battle.

810
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: That give me your top four corners right now.

811
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're rounding out your corner depth chart, Yes.

812
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: Okay, give me your top four right now.

813
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: I don't really I think it's the top three, and

814
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: I think Forbes, Yeah, Forbes has to be one of them.

815
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: He is going to make some noise before this camp's over.

816
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 4: The dude's got so much talent. If you can get

817
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: over how skinny he is, the guy can absolutely.

818
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: Put a little muscle on this off season. I really

819
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: think that the battles are going to be linebacker, off ball, linebacker,

820
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 3: and corner.

821
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: I could get you to say running back, Huh, you

822
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's coming for Kiren snaps?

823
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, listen, I just I just saw Kyroen come

824
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: out here and then not yet.

825
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Not even for his ben.

826
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: I think Kien has an uncanny ability to make people

827
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: miss in a in a phone booth.

828
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: And I've watched Blake Korum. He doesn't have that. He's

829
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: more explosive, but he doesn't have that ability to make

830
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: a guy miss and then hit the whole.

831
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: The only thing that Karen doesn't have what he's been

832
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: working on, actually uh, is just that long speed. And

833
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 3: as long as he keeps working on that long speed,

834
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: I think it gonna work out. And protecting the ball,

835
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, that's always that's number one. But

836
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: his ability to make someone miss, or a linebacker to miss,

837
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: his ability to pass block, the.

838
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Way he does.

839
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Those those things to me, like, I just I don't

840
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't see it's hard to replace that.

841
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking swing tackle, running back, linebacker, and

842
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: tight end as.

843
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Fo tackles good, that's gonna be a good battle.

844
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you hope that your starters are there, but

845
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I think we were kind of put on notice early

846
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: this offseason that you're gonna need more depth there than

847
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: maybe you've had in the past. But I settled on

848
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: special teams, which is kind of a lame, you know,

849
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: finishing note. But like roster spots fifty one, fifty two,

850
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: fifty three, that's what this month is all about to me.

851
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: And I'm curious whether an extra safety like Malik Dicks

852
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: and Williams undrafted out of Yukon, or an undrafted linebacker

853
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: like Jamil Mohammed or Josh Pearcy or Sean Dolak, or

854
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: even a tight end like Torres or Redmond could make

855
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: a case on teams to deserve a helmet on game day.

856
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: There's gonna be, there's gonna be.

857
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: That's how you get on the field, and and most

858
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: of these teams they're kind of set offensively what they want.

859
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

860
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Like, I bet you get asked McVeigh, do you know

861
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: who your game day, you know whatever are on offense?

862
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: And he's like plus or.

863
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: Minus reasonably Yeah, yeah, yeah, added like you probably maybe

864
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: two of most right, yeah, on both sides of the ball.

865
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: But special teams is where you always make the team.

866
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: I mean I did it. That's what I did in

867
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: the NFL. Yeah, I had to make it special teams

868
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: and then I got a chance to play running backshurning

869
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: or were you going down and covered?

870
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 4: I did both? See I did. Covering is making on

871
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: special teams.

872
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: Listen, I covered kickoffs and punt I was just give

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Speaker 2: That over there. That over there is not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's two guys. Yeah, that's not fair.

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Speaker 1: Well, like you, I love traveling, and a little bit

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Speaker 1: like you, I love drama and performance. I love golf,

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Speaker 1: but there's nothing I love more than talking rams football.

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Speaker 1: And this is the best time year. I'm glad the

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Speaker 1: calendar has finally tilted in our favor, and I know

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Speaker 1: that you, our audience, are too. Thanks for watching our

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Speaker 1: inaugural training camp kickoff episode of Between the Horns, presented

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Speaker 1: by your Southern California. To you the Dealers, Come join

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Speaker 1: us here at l MU for m J D. DeMarco Farr.

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Speaker 1: I'm JB. Long. We'll talk to you soon.