1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Motherfucking mini years. So many episodes, motherfucking mini years. So 2 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: there it is, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: podcast where we died deep into the pockets of black 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove the theories 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: that you the listener have at home. It's your time, baby. 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: I'm David Boy, I'm Langston Kerman and you heard it right. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: It's a motherfucking many episodes. So we're we're gonna talk 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: about y'all airhorn, motherfucker. We're gonna talk about y'alls ship. 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: We want to know what's happening in your neck of 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: the conspiratorial woods. Tell us how you feel, tell us 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: exactly how you feel. And you know who did tell 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: us how they felt as a a person named Ben. 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: And Ben actually been actually contacted us over a year ago. 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: Ben being contacted us, but I didn't give a shit 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: about Ben's email. Back then. I was on the email 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: and I said, funk off, Ben, I don't want you. 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: You do it on your own time. You could have 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: been doing stuff, think going on that's what he was doing. Spicy. Yeah, 20 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: why That's exactly what I was doing. I was I 21 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: was rubbing meats. I wasn't thinking about Ben's email. But 22 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Ben sent us an email and he said, all right, 23 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: this has been bothering me for a while, but some 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: recent tweets I came across inspired me to write this. 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: Someone of your expertise, if you want to call it, 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: that would probably be interested in diving into this rabbit hole. 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: So as far back as I can remember, there has 28 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: always been some sort of incident between a Black person 29 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and a Jewish person which causes the Black community or 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: individual to be accused of anti Semitism. From Fara Cohn 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: and his comments about the community to ice Cube, this Sin, 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Jerry Heller all the way to Nick Cannon's recent incidents 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: and the people who were okay with his statements. Is 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: there something to the black community hating Jewish people or 35 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: is it more or is it mostly fabrications? Damn Yeah. 36 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be like a funny one 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: about like. I didn't. I didn't. As I was reading it, 38 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is I thought this would 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: just be more like uh of the times that we're 40 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: living in. But then as I was saying, I was like, damn, 41 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: maybe this is political in a way that I don't 42 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to be responsible for. It's very I ah, 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: I will say, careful, careful, No, I just there's I okay, Okay. 44 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: There is a book called The Rise of Totalitarianism by 45 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Hannah Rrent and it talks about a lot about why 46 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: throughout history the Jews have become such a hated people. 47 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that it is a specifically blacks versus 48 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Jewish people thing as much it is as it is 49 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people are anti Semitic. Mm hmm. Yeah, 50 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. I think you're you're squinting 51 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: your eyes as if they say, have I ruined everything? 52 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think so. You mostly blamed it on 53 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: that lady who wrote it wrote that book. No, I 54 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm saying she she's but because she talks 55 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: about how they like they were able to get money 56 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: and occupy a place in society that was only for 57 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: the bourgeoisie. So when people were looking like when there 58 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: were revolutions and stuff, and people are looking to like, okay, 59 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: we know that you got it because you are royalty 60 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and it was kind of passed down how did you 61 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: guys get it? It's just like an easy group of 62 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: people to come for because they've made money, and a 63 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand how And I think and 64 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: I think, uh here, and I do think that that 65 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: speaks though to to sort of if we're talking about 66 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: this on a more human level, right and just sort 67 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: of like a technical whatever historical sense, I think what 68 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about is humans, and especially Americans, need to 69 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: be better than someone, to to always be seeking a 70 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: less than individual in society, in their communities, sometimes in 71 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: their own homes. But like somebody, there has to be 72 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: some version of a of a a ecosystem, sort of 73 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: building of things that eat other things, whatever the funk 74 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: it is. And I think Jewish people have easily and 75 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: often become a target for creating that hierarchy and then 76 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: at times exacerbating that hierarchy. Right, Like the issues between 77 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: black and Jewish people go in both directions. Whereas like 78 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: when Jewish people were the lowest sort of rung of 79 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: American culture, they happily accepted the shift upward at uh 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: with black people as a target, not always intentionally but 81 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: certainly as a byproduct of that shift. Yeah, I just 82 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: think nobody wants to be the bottom the bottom up. 83 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways, Jews and Blacks 84 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: are are constantly fighting over not being bottom. Right, we 85 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: all love basketball. I think that we show on our 86 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: similarities more than our differences. Uh yeah, No, I think that. 87 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: I think there is like a level of ho temporary 88 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: that does take aim at the Jewish people. I mean, 89 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I think we I think we've talked about it on 90 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: here before. I think it's so complicated. Yeah, I mean, 91 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: I think, you know, after we had the episode about 92 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: the Black Israelites, the people who essentially are arguing a 93 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: version of what Kanye has become now infamous for sort 94 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: of which, by the way, he's dumb. Connie doesn't read anything. 95 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: He just like spouts talking points like somebody was like 96 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: this is this, this and this, and then he goes 97 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and says this is, this, is and this. I think 98 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: can no, he truly has not read a single book 99 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: on the subject. He is he anything? Ever? Ever, I 100 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: don't think ever ever, And I do blame a lot 101 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: of the people who spent years defending his perspective instead 102 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: of identifying that they're just defending a chopped up version 103 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: of a perspective from a much smarter, more carefully thoughtful person. Well, wait, 104 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: so you say that going back to the beginning, I do. 105 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: Now I will say that that I found myself often 106 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: defending it, in part because it aligned so closely with 107 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: things I did believe, right that, like in the face 108 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: of Katrina him being like George Bush doesn't care about 109 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: black people being so true to me that absolutely I'll 110 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: defend this motherfucker till I die. Right, But then if 111 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: you ask me does he read? I still would have 112 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: been like, no, he doesn't. Is This isn't a learned 113 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a learned perspective. This is 114 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: just a dude who's articulating a thing that I that 115 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I wish someone would have said before that. And now 116 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: did I know that he was just spouting some ship 117 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: that somebody backstage told him. I did not, But now 118 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I believe that, Yeah, because he seems to like Waivers 119 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: so much, you know what I mean. Like, you see, 120 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: he seems to be like clearly like we all are 121 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: searching for the answers, but he seems so confident. It 122 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: feels like he's just getting taken by like comment kind 123 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: of I think though, I think he's a hundred percent 124 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: victim of his own sort of like celebrity and and 125 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: he also believed celebrities are like the best people, so 126 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: you can't so it's like, oh yeah, Like he thinks 127 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: the most famous means it's the best and whatever it is. 128 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: He thinks we're never gonna the richest is the best, 129 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the most famous, specifically when it comes to white fame 130 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: and white wealth. He he is deeply obsessed and can't 131 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: untether himself. So it's like, yeah, no, even if he 132 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: did read, I'm not sure he's he can see the 133 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: words any other way than his own, like sick brain 134 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: can can make Yeah, I don't think it's like a 135 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna be able to be fulfilled ever, And 136 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: that's sad. Yeah, it is that, but you can't be 137 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: You'll never be complete, like if that's your metric for 138 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: what life like, His argument is always just like I'm 139 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: richer than you, I'm not gonna argue with somebody richer 140 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: than you. And that like also speaks to like capitalism 141 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: and how sad America is and why and like how 142 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: misplaced all our values are, you know, yeah, and why 143 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: this this fort made him Yeah, forty something year old 144 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: man is still trying to to prop himself up in 145 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: that way. Despite all of his accomplishments and and access, 146 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: he still needs to be able to to say that 147 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: to another human being. All of it is a reflection 148 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: of our own sickness as much as his. Yeah, I 149 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: don't know. The theories for Kanye are so like, I 150 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: can't tell. He does seem to be be kind of 151 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: a manic person and often exhibiting mania, but I don't know. 152 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just like that people. People seem to say 153 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: that he's been pretty consistent in this whole time. Yeah, 154 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: that he hasn't like switched it up too hard. Yeah. No, 155 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, And I don't want to keep talking 156 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: about him because we'll get in trouble. Eventually one of 157 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: us will be like, uh, I don't know, he wasn't 158 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: that bad, and then suddenly that's the that's the sound bite. Yeah, 159 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: he's got some idea. It's like a fun fuck. No, Yeah, 160 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: this was a this was a complicated email. Yeah, I 161 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: will say it reminded me why when I first moved 162 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: to New York, I lived in the neighborhood on a street. 163 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: These are very specific details. I live I lived in 164 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: the neighborhood Crown Heights, where they the neighborhood is largely 165 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: separated between a primarily Caribbean group of people and a 166 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: extremely Hosidic that's where they took over the school system, right, 167 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: I believe so. And part of that separation, if we're 168 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: talking about the same thing, part of that separation was 169 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: originally rooted in a black girl accidentally being killed in 170 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: a car crash I believe by a Hasidic driver, and 171 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: then that leading to a bunch of riots in the 172 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood from the black community with the Hasidic community. Because 173 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: of the separations in terms of like policy, policing, whatever 174 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: the fuck. That ultimately led to like a deeply sort 175 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: of like conflicted relationship with these two to what is 176 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: exactly the same community groups, right right, right, right right right. No, 177 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: there's a there's a really good I think it's like 178 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: radio lab about that. But I listened to anyways, I 179 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: like Jewish people, like Jewish people, big fan, And that's 180 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: really all we can say here. I love how you 181 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: handle that. You're like, I'm not going to interact with 182 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: that story anymore. Yeah, that's enough enough more, you know, 183 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: complicated and you know war hurts both sides. Let's just 184 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: say who's right and who's wrong. Maybe that dead girl 185 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: deserved it, that's not our business. That is not the 186 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: sound bite. That's how I feel. No dead girl ever 187 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: deserved it. I don't know. That's not what his eyes 188 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: are saying. Folks, this is an audio media Well, Bories right, 189 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: we probably did everything we we could do here, Ben, 190 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: I think I think you didn't know this when you 191 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: sent the email at the time, but you put us 192 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: in quite a pickle, and uh to to the larger 193 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: question of of because I do want to make sure 194 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: we're answering it as directly as we can to the 195 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: larger question of their being an ongoing conflict between black 196 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: and white people who are black and Jewish people. Excuse me, 197 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely do think that there probably is. I don't 198 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: think that that is necessarily rooted in us being especially 199 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: anti Semitic. I think, as Bory pointed out, it probably 200 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: is closer to the fact that the world has, in 201 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: areous forms leaned on anti Semitism as a way of 202 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: creating power structures that are maintained by every community across 203 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: the country world. Even if we should be trying some 204 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: other ship. That was That was good. That was good. 205 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, do you want to tell the people where 206 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: they can find you on? What cool ship you have 207 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: going on? Yes? You can find me at my local JCC, 208 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: teaching the kids, basketball, football, arts and crafts, whatever they need. 209 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm an ally, yeah, I'm I'm teaching the Tori mine 210 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: that might be. I hate crimes. I don't know nothing. 211 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I literally can't even read them words. I've never read it. 212 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: What is it? It's just the Old Testament? Right? Oh boy, 213 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that. Now we're in trouble again. It's 214 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: complicated as long as we know the Catholic Bible is fake, 215 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: that one's made up. Who the fuck is King James? Yeah, apocrophied? 216 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: What that's like? It's like five extra books, more readings. 217 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: And as always, you can follow me at links and Kerman. 218 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I'll be around on all them platforms, just waiting for you, 219 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: just hoping you show up. And uh, otherwise we did it, 220 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: by bitch, I got bronk guides. Ain't nobody got time 221 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: for that. Motherfucking mini years. So many years, so motherfucking 222 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: many years, so, motherfucking mini years, so many years, motherfucking 223 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: many years so,