WEBVTT - The White Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>Coo Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>On August tenth, nineteen eighty nine, around nine thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 2>a white sedan pulled up outside the United Nations Transition

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<v Speaker 2>Assistance Groups administrative headquarters in Autyo, a town in northern Namibia.

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<v Speaker 2>They had what appeared to be UN issued license plates

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<v Speaker 2>and the United Nations emblem was painted on the side,

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<v Speaker 2>so perhaps it didn't look out of place there at first.

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<v Speaker 2>Initial reports say witnesses saw three men dressed in green

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<v Speaker 2>camouflage uniforms. The UN Transition Assistance Group had arrived in

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<v Speaker 2>Namibia four months earlier, authorized by UN Resolution four thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>The resolution had actually been adopted over a decade earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but it took that entire decade to get all parties to.

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<v Speaker 3>Come to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>The Transition Assistance Group was there to ensure the sea

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<v Speaker 2>fire was honored, that South African troops would withdraw from Namibia,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the upcoming election would be free and fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Those first four months had not been without incident, but

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<v Speaker 2>a ceasefire was re established Over the summer. The South

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<v Speaker 2>African military was withdrawing s planned and UN officials were

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<v Speaker 2>making progress on disarming and disbanding the citizen militias. Paid

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<v Speaker 2>by the South African government. If things continued on this path,

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<v Speaker 2>it was looking good for the November elections. But not

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was on board with UN Resolution four thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>One small group in particular, calling itself Axi Kontra four

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<v Speaker 2>three five Action against four thirty five, did just what

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<v Speaker 2>the name implies.

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<v Speaker 3>They took action.

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<v Speaker 2>When those men in green camos stepped out of their

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<v Speaker 2>car outside the UN offices in Autyo that night. They

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<v Speaker 2>opened fire with automatic weapons hand grenades caused extensive damage

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<v Speaker 2>to the buildings, both the administrative offices and the sleeping quarters.

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<v Speaker 2>A security guard named Michael Hoseg was killed in the attack,

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<v Speaker 2>but the men fled into the night without finishing the mission.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire cell was arrested fairly quickly, and authorities found

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<v Speaker 2>a massive arsenal of guns and explosives the group planned

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<v Speaker 2>to use in future attacks on United Nations targets with

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<v Speaker 2>the goal of stopping the upcoming elections. And those men

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<v Speaker 2>were in custody in November when the elections were held,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't stay there.

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<v Speaker 3>They escaped.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd failed to prevent Namibian independence, but now the fight

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<v Speaker 2>was in South Africa and they would do everything in

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<v Speaker 2>their power to prevent the end of apartheid. I'm Molly Kunger,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where there were GUIDs. This is still

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<v Speaker 2>the story of Monica Huggett Stone, the elderly South African

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<v Speaker 2>woman who was living in Mandeville, Louisiana, when she organized

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<v Speaker 2>a series of nationwide Nazi rallies in twenty twelve. But

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<v Speaker 2>she isn't in this part of the story because I

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell you about the international network of mercenaries she

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<v Speaker 2>was organizing in nineteen ninety four without telling you a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about some of those men, who they

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<v Speaker 2>were and what they were up to in the years

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to that deadly shootout with the police on

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<v Speaker 2>the eve of the South African elections. I know I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to make excuses for this meandering narrative. It's

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<v Speaker 2>my story, and I'll tell it the only way I

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<v Speaker 2>know how. I never know where we're going when I

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<v Speaker 2>start putting my notes together, and I really can't help

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<v Speaker 2>but chase down this seemingly infinite number of surprisingly deep

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit holes. And I'm so fascinated by this international network.

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<v Speaker 3>It's come up a bit in other stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Mahon and Tom Metzger had close ties with Heritage

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<v Speaker 2>Front in Canada. In the early nineties, Denis Mayhon flew

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<v Speaker 2>to Germany to show German neo Nazis a good old

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<v Speaker 2>fashioned American ku Klux Klan cross burning, and he gave

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<v Speaker 2>fiery speeches stoking the flames of the anti immigrant riots

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<v Speaker 2>that were exploding across Germany at the time. The week

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<v Speaker 2>before Dennis started making that bomb that he went to

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<v Speaker 2>prison for, he'd been hanging out with an Ulster unionist

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<v Speaker 2>who'd carried up bombings in Northern Ireland during the Troubles.

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<v Speaker 2>British Holocaust denied David Irving traveled regularly to the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to network with American white supremacists. Frank Sweeney joined

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<v Speaker 2>the American Nazi Party in New Jersey as a teenager

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<v Speaker 2>and later joined the Rhodesian Army as a mercenary. Members

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<v Speaker 2>of American white supremacist groups like the Base, Adam Waffen,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Rise Above movement and its spin off active clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>have a particular fondness for traveling to Ukraine to fight

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<v Speaker 2>with far right groups like the azof Battalion. Patriot Front.

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<v Speaker 2>Flags have popped up at Neo Nazi marches and Poland

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<v Speaker 2>and its members have met with leaders of foreign fascist

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<v Speaker 2>groups like the Nordic Resistance Movement in Sweden and Cossa.

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<v Speaker 3>Pound in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the young men arrested in connection with the

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<v Speaker 2>Terogram Collective was taken into custody at the airport before

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<v Speaker 2>he could board a flight to Ukraine to join the

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<v Speaker 2>Russian Volunteer Corps. The fascists, racists, and anti Semites of

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<v Speaker 2>the world are obsessed with borders, but they don't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to mind crossing them. So that's what we're exploring here.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll find Monica again in the next chapter of

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<v Speaker 2>this story when she does a bit of border crossing

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<v Speaker 2>of her own, but that's not until nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>and right now it's nineteen eighty nine. In nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa was still five years away from ending apartheid,

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<v Speaker 2>five years away from holding their first election with universal suffrage,

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<v Speaker 2>five years away from electing Nelson Mandela as their first

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<v Speaker 2>post apartheid president. In nineteen eighty nine, Nelson Mandela was

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<v Speaker 2>still in prison, where he'd been since nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But in nineteen eighty nine, one of South Africa's neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>was taking the leap into multi racial democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not South Africa considered Namibia to be a

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<v Speaker 2>neighboring country or a country at all, depends on who

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<v Speaker 2>you ask. The present day nation of Namibia had been

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<v Speaker 2>a German colony from eighteen eighty four until nineteen fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>During World War One, when everyone was a little preoccupied elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa captured the colony known as Southwest Afria. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six, the United Nations General Assembly passed a

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<v Speaker 2>resolution declaring that South Africa no longer had a right

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<v Speaker 2>to the territory, but South Africa continued illegally occupying the

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<v Speaker 2>area that the United Nations now recognized as Namibia. The

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<v Speaker 2>conflict lasted over two decades. The South African Border War

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just about South Africa's desire to extend apartheid into

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<v Speaker 2>this colonial territory. It was inextricably intertwined with other conflicts

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<v Speaker 2>in the region, things like the Angle and Civil War.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a modern consequence of the nineteenth century Scramble

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<v Speaker 2>for Africa. It was the unraveling of a century of colonialism.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fueled by Cold War anxiety about communist guerrilla

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<v Speaker 2>forces and Soviet influence, and it was about white anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>If Black Africans were allowed to participate in government, if

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<v Speaker 2>they were, god forbid, allowed to rule their own nations,

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<v Speaker 2>what would they do with that power. The whole world

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<v Speaker 2>got in on the action, both officially, with major powers

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<v Speaker 2>sending material support to their preferred parties, and none officially,

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<v Speaker 2>with independent mercenaries and shadowy state sponsored operations popping up

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<v Speaker 2>all over Sub Saharan Africa. But by nineteen eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>it was finally time. The border war was over and

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<v Speaker 2>Namibia was going to have free and fair elections in November.

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<v Speaker 2>In April of that year, peacekeeping forces from the United

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<v Speaker 2>Nations Transition Assistance Group arrived to oversee the process. Namibia

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be an independent nation, one without apartheid,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was a frightening prospect for those white South

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<v Speaker 2>Africans trying desperately to hold onto power in an increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>unsustainable form of government. Now this next part might sound

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<v Speaker 2>like a conspiracy theory. I try to tread waters like

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<v Speaker 2>this with immense care. I nearly drove myself to madness

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<v Speaker 2>trying to thread the needle of fact, fiction and question marks.

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<v Speaker 2>When I talked about the Oklahoma city bombing a while back,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I started poking around this particular history, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>admit I didn't have a lot of context.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the landscape here.

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<v Speaker 2>So sorting fact from speculation and sifting out the lies

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<v Speaker 2>as a tricky prospect, And at first I completely dismissed

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that these neo Nazi terrorists could have been

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<v Speaker 2>acting on government orders. That's tinfoil hat territory, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the idea heavily insinuated in some reporting from.

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<v Speaker 3>The time period.

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<v Speaker 2>An article published in nineteen ninety in an issue of

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<v Speaker 2>Frei Vigblad, a South African newspaper with an anti apartheid stance,

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<v Speaker 2>opened with this fairly explosive allegation. They are fugitives accused

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<v Speaker 2>of murder. They come from South Africa, Britainbia and Zimbabwe.

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<v Speaker 2>They have one common characteristic. They left a trail of destruction,

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<v Speaker 2>death and bloodshed in Southern Africa over the past decade,

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<v Speaker 2>but cannot be prosecuted. They are among the most wanted

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<v Speaker 2>men in our neighboring states, but enjoy the protection of

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<v Speaker 2>the South African government because they have worked or still

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<v Speaker 2>work for the security forces.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not prove right.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how often you see similar sentiments expressed when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to American far right groups. Allegations that this

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<v Speaker 2>group or that one, or whichever prominent white supremacist leader

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been prosecuted because they're being protected by the state,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's always a possibility, sure, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's true. But some of those men would themselves later

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<v Speaker 2>claim that they couldn't be prosecuted for murders and bombings

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<v Speaker 2>because they'd been acting on government orders. And again that's

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<v Speaker 2>not proof. I've seen that before too. Sometimes people will

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<v Speaker 2>say anything to avoid responsibility, and that doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's true. I'd been chugging along, accumulating sources and taking

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<v Speaker 2>my notes, translating old newspapers. I subscribed to several South

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<v Speaker 2>African genealogical databases. I was really getting into the weeds here,

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<v Speaker 2>all under the assumption that there wasn't really a need

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<v Speaker 2>to explore that angle. It could be true, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't something I'd be able to substantiate, And it's the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing I'm not comfortable exploring without something to

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<v Speaker 2>hold on to. I don't want to abuse your trust

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<v Speaker 2>by speculating wildly and getting reckless with the facts. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I realized this is a very unusual set of circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Normally a government would never admit to state sponsored terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>They all do it, but nobody admits it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever do prove it, it's nothing short of a miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>You need leaked documents and deathbed confessions. But the South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa of nineteen ninety five wasn't really the same South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa that had existed until nineteen ninety four. This government

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't admitting to its own crimes. The Truth and Reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>Commission was an unusually transparent look at the nation's past,

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<v Speaker 2>and they admitted it. There is an entire chapter of

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<v Speaker 2>the Truth and Reconciliation Commission final report called secret State Funding,

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<v Speaker 2>and according to the report, Oxe Kontra four thirty five,

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<v Speaker 2>the group behind the attack at the UN offices in

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<v Speaker 2>Autio in nineteen eighty nine is believed to have been

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<v Speaker 2>entirely creation of funded by the South African government. At

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<v Speaker 2>least one of the men involved was later confirmed to

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<v Speaker 2>have been an operative of the South African Civil Cooperation Bureau,

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<v Speaker 2>an odd name for what was essentially government sponsored death squads,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tell you that now so you can draw

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<v Speaker 2>your own conclusions later in the story when things get

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<v Speaker 2>a little murkier. So just keep that in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of your mind for now. It wasn't long after the

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<v Speaker 2>attack on Autyo that members of Axi Kontra four thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five started getting arrested. Although the group's name disappears from

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation pretty quickly, the men who carried out that

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<v Speaker 2>attack were members of other groups too. Specifically, they were

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<v Speaker 2>all members of the African or Resistance movement, the AWB

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<v Speaker 2>led by Eugene terre Blanche. The first to be arrested

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<v Speaker 2>were two South African citizens, Arthur Archer and Craig Barker,

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<v Speaker 2>and a German mercenary named Horst Cleans. South Africans Darrell

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<v Speaker 2>Stopped Fourth and Leonard Vnendahl were arrested soon after. By

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<v Speaker 2>October of nineteen eighty nine, two months after the attack

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<v Speaker 2>in Autyo, five men had been arrested. Charges against Craig

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<v Speaker 2>Barker were dropped early on, and the charges against Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>Archer were dropped after he agreed to cooperate, And so

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<v Speaker 2>in December of nineteen eighty nine, it's just three Nandal,

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<v Speaker 2>Cleanse and stopped fourth were officially charged with murder in

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<v Speaker 2>a Namibian court. The courthouse was a three hour drive

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<v Speaker 2>from the prison where the men were being held. After

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<v Speaker 2>the hearing, Leonard Venendal asked to use the bathroom before

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<v Speaker 2>they were loaded back into the transport van to return

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<v Speaker 2>to their cells. And this is one of those moments

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<v Speaker 2>where it's useful to bear in mind that the Truth

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<v Speaker 2>and Reconciliation Commission names Leonard Venandal as a known operative

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<v Speaker 2>of the Civil Cooperation Bureau, those government sponsored death squads,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's named as an operative of the CCB specifically

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<v Speaker 2>in connection with these events in Namibia. So with that

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, Leonard Vnandal goes to the bathroom at the

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<v Speaker 2>courthouse and he somehow knows to take the top off

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<v Speaker 2>the tank of a particular tur toilet. Someone had left

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<v Speaker 2>him a gift in there, a pistol, and he takes

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<v Speaker 2>the gun out of the toilet and he tucks it

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<v Speaker 2>away and he allows himself to be placed back in

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<v Speaker 2>the van. About three quarters the way through the drive

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<v Speaker 2>back to the jail, somewhere in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>the men insisted that they just couldn't hold it any longer.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed to stop to go to the bathroom, and

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<v Speaker 2>the two Namibian police officers agreed. They pulled over and

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<v Speaker 2>they led their three prisoners out to pee on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road, and then suddenly another vehicle appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>It stopped and two men got out, and Vinadel produced

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<v Speaker 2>the pistol from his hiding place, and the two officers

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<v Speaker 2>were overpowered by the three prisoners and their two accomplices.

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<v Speaker 2>Constable Ricardo van Wick was shot in the stomach and

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<v Speaker 2>later died. The surviving officer was forced at gunpoint into

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the van, which the prisoners drove half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour off the main road before abandoning it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they disappeared in the vehicle driven by their accomplices,

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<v Speaker 2>And they really did disappear. Darrel stopped fourth, Leonard Fienandal

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<v Speaker 2>and Horse Glens had murdered a UN security guard and

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<v Speaker 2>an Amibian police officer. They were supposed to have gone

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<v Speaker 2>on trial in Namibia, but they vanished for a little

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<v Speaker 2>while anyway. Just a few short months later, both Leonard

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<v Speaker 2>Feenandal and Daryl stopped Forth came out of hiding. They

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<v Speaker 2>were home in South Africa and South Africa had no

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<v Speaker 2>extradition treaty with the newly independent nation of Namibia. There

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<v Speaker 2>were warrants for their arrest there, but there was nothing

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<v Speaker 2>anyone could really do. Benadal said in a public statement

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<v Speaker 2>a few months after his escape, I have now returned

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<v Speaker 2>to my family and I'm going to devote myself full

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<v Speaker 2>time to the cause as the revolution is here. A

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<v Speaker 2>photo of Nadal taken around that time shows him wearing

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<v Speaker 2>his AWB uniform and holding his newborn son. He'd named

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<v Speaker 2>the boy Daryl, presumably to honor Darrel's top fourth, the

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<v Speaker 2>man he'd just committed two murders with.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's an.

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<v Speaker 2>Odd thing I keep seeing these guys do as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>researching this story. They have this strange fondness for giving

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<v Speaker 2>interviews when they're supposed to be in hiding on the

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<v Speaker 2>run from the law. When it was announced in September

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty nine, a month after the attack and

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<v Speaker 2>aut Yo, that Leonard of Nadal had been arrested, a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter in South Africa came forward with a pretty wild story.

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<v Speaker 2>While Venadel had been on the run, he'd taken the

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<v Speaker 2>time to sit down for a two hour interview with

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter and In that interview, he spoke openly about

0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:57.080
<v Speaker 2>his membership in the AWB. That fact alone wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>a secret. He was Eugene Tablanche's personal bodyguard, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was the leader of the Johannesburg branch of the group.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also claimed there had been a split within Aquala,

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<v Speaker 2>the militant arm of a WB, with some members openly

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<v Speaker 2>declaring their willingness and intent to die for the cause,

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<v Speaker 2>forming a sort of Kamakazi unit that planned to carry

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<v Speaker 2>out high profile assassinations.

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<v Speaker 3>He also showed the.

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<v Speaker 2>Reporter a small circular placard of sorts with a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of a wolf. The reporter, yuhung Kus, just looked at

0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.159
<v Speaker 2>it with disbelief, and he said, there's no such thing

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.360
<v Speaker 2>as the White Wolves, and Vinard all smiled at him

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<v Speaker 2>and replied, believe me, they exist.

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<v Speaker 3>The White Wolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably didn't exist, not really, not then anyway, not in

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<v Speaker 2>any way that really means anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they kind of did, in the.

0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Sense that if someone were to carry out a series

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<v Speaker 2>of bombings and then call the newspaper to say that

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<v Speaker 2>the White Wolves did it, he sort of retroactively created

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of a group that could be imagined to exist,

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<v Speaker 2>because NANDL would later be connected to an attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>do just that. But by most accounts, the White Wolves

0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a terrorist organization that actually existed. But in September

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty nine, as he's sitting there with this

0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:39.200
<v Speaker 2>reporter from the Sunday Times, everyone in South Africa had

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the White Wolf, at least in the singular.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier that year, a former policeman who called himself the

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<v Speaker 2>White Wolf had been sentenced to death. He was a

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.080
<v Speaker 2>former policeman because he'd been dismissed a year earlier after

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<v Speaker 2>opposing for a photo holding the severed head of a

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.639
<v Speaker 2>black man who had died a gruesome car accident. He

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<v Speaker 2>tried to submit the photo for publication in a police magazine,

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.439
<v Speaker 2>but they declined to publish it. He'd joined a to

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<v Speaker 2>w B at just sixteen with his father's support and encouragement.

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.240
<v Speaker 2>He'd been sentenced to die for something he did. In

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<v Speaker 2>November of nineteen eighty eight, one afternoon, a twenty three

0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.200
<v Speaker 2>year old named Baron Stredam put on his custom belt

0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:31.479
<v Speaker 2>buckle engraved with the words White Wolf and Afrikaans. He

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<v Speaker 2>barked his car near a busy City Square in downtown Pretoria,

0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.919
<v Speaker 2>and he got out and he started walking, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he started shooting. On the day of the massacre, he

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:49.879
<v Speaker 2>just walked for several blocks, just shooting black people at random.

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<v Speaker 2>He murdered eight people and wounded sixteen others, and every

0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 2>survivor says the same thing. He smiled the entire time.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley Stein was just seventeen years old that day and

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<v Speaker 2>he was on his way home from rugby practice when

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 2>he saw Stridem. He didn't understand at first what he

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>This man with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Gun must be a police officer, He must be trying

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<v Speaker 2>to catch a bad guy. But then he saw Stridem

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<v Speaker 2>walk up to an old woman carrying groceries, and without

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<v Speaker 2>saying a word, Stridem shot her in the head. At

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.120
<v Speaker 2>that moment, a black teenager called out to Stein, beckoning

0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.119
<v Speaker 2>him over to the bench he was hiding behind, and

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the two teens hid behind the bench together, but Stridem

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 2>found them. He shot the black boy. As Steyne, who's white,

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>cradled this bleeding stranger in his lap. He looked up

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 2>at Stridem and asked him why.

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 4>Then I turned up to him and I said, who

0:21:56.280 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 4>kom duniad why are you doing this? And he said,

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.560
<v Speaker 4>I said, I don'd it for it two cooms for

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<v Speaker 4>wet Sit Africa corners, which means I'm doing this for

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<v Speaker 4>the future of white South Africans.

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Stritum never fired at a white person. The shooting only

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<v Speaker 2>stopped with a black taxi driver, a man named Simon Mucondeley,

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 2>tapped Stritum on the shoulder while he was reloading. He

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.399
<v Speaker 2>must have caught the killer off guard because as Stridum

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.080
<v Speaker 2>turned round, Mucondeley was able to grab the gun out

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:33.360
<v Speaker 2>of his hands. As I was reading about Stridem's murders,

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it felt so familiar to me. I've read accounts of

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of mass shootings. I've seen videos I wish

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I could forget. I've wasted countless hours reading manifestos, and

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.240
<v Speaker 2>there are plenty of similarities between white supremacist mass shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of common denominators when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to a young white man who carries out a racist

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 2>mass shooting. But this felt so terribly, eerily familiar to me.

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 2>It was inescapable. It felt just like the Charleston church shooting.

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>It felt like Dylan Roof and back in twenty fifteen,

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 2>several South African journalists covering that story that American shooting

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>referred to Dylan Rufe as America's white Wolf. So I

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>guess I'm not alone in that feeling. We talked briefly

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.719
<v Speaker 2>last week about the apartheid era South African flag patch

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in photos of roof taken shortly before he murdered nine

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>people at the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know he had a fondness for apartheid, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he was familiar with the white Wolf.

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>So in Venadela is sitting there with this reporter showing

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 2>him this little picture of a wolf.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>He's telling the reporter that he's a member of this

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.919
<v Speaker 2>extremely militant, violent arm of the AWB, that they're planning

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 2>to get a race war going before Christmas, and he

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 2>really wants the paper to run a story that will

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>convince people that there are hundreds more Barren Stritums out

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 2>there lying in wait. And the reason the reporter didn't

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 2>believe him is because it had been discussed extensively during

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Stritem's trial just a few months earlier. There was no

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>reason to believe any actual group called the White Wolves existed.

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>He was a member of AWB, that was fairly certain,

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>But when it came to the White Wolves, it appeared

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to just be a pack of one. Finandel was maybe

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:50.120
<v Speaker 2>just planting seeds of propaganda. He was trying to capitalize

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>on this intense fear and trauma surrounding Stritem's murders by

0:24:54.560 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>convincing people it could happen again at any time. But

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Fienentdal had been telling the truth about at least

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>one thing when he spoke to that reporter. Before his arrest,

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>there had been some splintering within the Africaner Resistance movement.

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Members of a w B had started forming increasingly violent

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 2>breakaway groups, groups like the Orde Vandi Dude, which translates

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Order of Death and the Order Borfolk the

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Order of the Boer People. And that name might sound familiar.

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 2>A violent fascist group calling itself the Order, We've heard

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that one before. Its founder would later say that he'd

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 2>never actually heard of Robert J. Matthews, the American neo

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Nazi who founded a group called The Order in nineteen

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>eighty three. It seems both men arrived at the name independently,

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.640
<v Speaker 2>but for the exact same reason. It was the name

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of the fictional white supremacist organization in William Luther Pierce's

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 2>novel The Turner Diaries. And you might remember the name

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>of the man who founded the South African version of

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 2>the Order. Remember last week we were talking about the

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>trial of Massimo Bolo and Fabiomiello, the Italian fascist convicted

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>of the vit Commando bombings in nineteen eighty. As the

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>two men were led into the court room on the

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>first day of their trial, one man in the gallery

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>stood up and applauded for the bombers. And that man

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>was pretorious city councilor Pete Rudolph. And so by this

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>point in our timeline, Rudolph is a high ranking member

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>of the africaner resistance movement, the AWB, and Pete Rudolph

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>maintains to this day that he founded the Order in

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine with the knowledge and blessing of AWB's leader,

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Eugene are Blanche, specifically so that AWB members could engage

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 2>in more violent resistance without risking AWB itself being sanctioned

0:26:55.160 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 2>or banned. And if that's true, it's actually quite similar

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>in that respect to the group of the same name

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. When Robert Matthews founded the Order,

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>he did so with the knowledge and blessing of William

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Luther Pierce, announcing the formation of the group in a

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>speech at the annual meeting of Pierce's National Alliance. And

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>National Alliance benefited ideologically and financially from the Order's crimes,

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 2>but they had the plausible deniability of having no formal

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 2>affiliation with the group. Just like Pierce, a National Alliance,

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Terre Blanche and the AWB could sit back and enjoy

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the political benefit of their orders act of terror without

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the risk of appearing to have authorized them. The Order

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Boro Folk was definitely founded and led by Pete Rudolph,

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>but press clippings over the years occasionally name other men

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>as the group's leader. At one point, Nick Stridem, the

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>father of mass murderer Baron Stritem, is quoted as the

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 2>head of the US Order. In nineteen ninety four, a

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 2>South African TV news program aired an interview with a

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>man claiming to be the leader of the Order. I

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 2>was perhaps as surprised as Pete Rudolph was to see

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Vnandhal staring back at me from the screen. Rudolph

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>would later tell the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that Venandal

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>had appointed himself as chief of Staff of the Order

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>without his permission, and that such a position didn't even exist,

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>And he called Venandal quote a man fond of publicity

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>with strong national socialist inclinations. And he scoffed at the

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>very idea that he would have let Vnondal lead anything,

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>disparagingly referring to Venondal's habit of appearing in public in

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>a khaki uniform, saying, I despise a khaki uniform. Let

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>me tell you, because khaki is the color of the British.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>But I guess the fashion.

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Police unit of the Nazi terror squad is really neither

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>here nor there. No one denies Venandal was a member

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>of the Order. In fact, when Venandal, Cleans and stopped

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Forth had escaped from custody in Namibia, it had been

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the Order who picked them up on the side of

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 2>the road there next to the still bleeding policemen. The

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>man driving their getaway car was Rudolph's chief deputy, Hank Bradenhan.

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Rudolph claims the Order was formerly established in October of

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine, but they didn't announce their presence to

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the world until February of nineteen ninety, when a small

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 2>group of quote suspicious looking white men vandalized the British

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>embassy in Pretoria. Witnesses saw them walk up to the

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>embassy gates and spray paint in Afrikaans. The struggle begins

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and they signed the statement Order. Borofolk police looked at

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the graffiti and said they'd never heard of the group.

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>One member spoke anonymously with the press and said they

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 2>were allied with the White Wolves. In April of nineteen ninety,

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>the Order Boro Folk took its first big step. Pete

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Rudolph organized and led a raid on a South African

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Air Force base, carried out in collaboration with three young

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>A Tobb sympathizers within the Air Force. Order members, including

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Wienendahl, stole a busload of guns and ammunition from

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the South African Defense Force. Rudolph called the Pretoria News

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 2>while on the run to take credit for the heist,

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 2>saying it was time for war. Quote, I have now

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 2>crossed the rubicon. The Boer now have a chance to

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>arm themselves. We are now going for the a n

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>c's throat. And keep those guns in the back of

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>your mind too. I'll remind you, but one of those

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>guns shows back up. In June, Rudolph recorded a half

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>hour long video declaring war against the government, and he

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>mailed copies to several news outlets as well as other

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>right wing groups. I could only find a short clip

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>of it. I don't know why it looked so hard

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>for the full video. It wouldn't have done me any good.

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>It's all in Afrikaans, but still frames from the video

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>show Rudolph sitting at a desk flanked by masked men

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>carrying rifles they'd stolen from the military. And the message

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 2>was part press release, part warning, part call to action.

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>He's speaking to a variety of audiences here and for

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>his fellow African or nationalists. His message was pretty simple.

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.479
<v Speaker 2>It's not time to talk anymore and it is quote

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 2>better to die in glory than to live in disgrace.

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Within days of this video's release, the bombs started going off.

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>In late June and early July nineteen ninety bombs went

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 2>off every night. A bomb went off at a bus

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 2>terminal in Johannesburg. Injuring nearly thirty people. Bombs went off

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>at both the home and business belonging to Clive Gilbert,

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>a Johannesburg City councilor who was both Jewish and a

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>member of the Democratic Party. That same week, a synagogue

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>in Johannesburg was bombed and defaced with swastikas and pro

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>apartheid slogans. The office of the National Union of Mine Workers,

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 2>a radical black labour organization, was destroyed by a bomb

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that went off overnight. A bomb blew out the windows

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of the offices of the anti apartheid weekly newspaper Frei Vigblad,

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and the homes and offices of several members of the

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 2>ruling National Party were targeted as well, accompanied by warnings

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that President day Clerk must stop all efforts to adopt

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 2>moderate reforms. And then the phone calls came. Two phone

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 2>calls to the offices of a pro government newspaper. The

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>first caller spoke English, not Afrikaans. A day later a

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>second call came in to the same paper, and this

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>caller spoke Afrikaans, but he used the code word the

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>reporter had given the previous caller to ensure he was

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>speaking with the same group. Both callers told the newspaper

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>that the White Wolves were responsible for the bombings and

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that the bombings would continue if their demands weren't meant.

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Their primary demand was pretty straightforward. They wanted President to

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Clerk to call an election. His moves towards reform and

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>concessions and negotiations with the ANC, and his recent release

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of Nelson Mandela. These things were unacceptable, and they wanted

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to elect a better white president. But the

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>group had two other strangely specific requests. They wanted the

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 2>White Wolf himself, Baron Stridum, released from prison, and they

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted the police to call off the man hunt for

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Pete Rudolph, who was at this time still on the

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 2>run after claiming responsibility for stealing all those guns from

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the military and then sending the government a videotaped declaration

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>of war. But like I said, the White Wolves almost

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>certainly didn't exist, not in nineteen ninety, not as an

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:42.800
<v Speaker 2>actual organized group, whatever that means for a group that

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist, though they were very busy in nineteen ninety.

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>In February, shortly after Nelson Mandela was released from prison,

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>letters threatening to assassinate him were received by newspapers, and

0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>those letters were signed the White Wolves. In May, when

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>President Declark announced another round of apartheid reforms, including the

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>repeal of the law that segregated libraries, the White Wolves

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.760
<v Speaker 2>put out a press release warning the president to watch

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>his back. In May of nineteen ninety three black activists

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 2>with the African National Congress were run off the road

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>by two white men. Prince Makina and Simon Koba were murdered,

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 2>but Xavier Liquote survived to testify.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 3>He says before one.

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Of the white men started shooting at them, he'd ask

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>if they'd heard of the White Wolves.

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Lequote said he replied that he.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Had, and just before opening fire, the man looked down

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 2>at them and said, I'm going to show you just

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>who the White Wolves are. And now in July, the

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>White Wolves are claiming responsibility for most, though not all,

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 2>of the bombs that had been going off every night

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 2>for a week. It's possible that some of the other

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>incidents involving people claiming to be the White Wolves were

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 2>just people doing what Leonard Biinendal had done with that reporter.

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 2>They were pretending they were acting on their own or

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 2>in connection with some other group. But they liked the

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>way it sounded to say they were the White Wolves.

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 2>They understood the kind of fear it would inspire and

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the kind of plausible deniability it would give their actual

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 2>group affiliation for whatever they'd done. And more importantly, they

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted to honor the White Wolf Baron Stretum. I see

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of parallels here between the way Stritum's murders

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 2>so quickly achieved this almost religious significance and the way

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>modern terogram culture canonized as mass shooters. I didn't realize

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they'd been doing that for so many decades. I don't

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>know that it was ever conclusively proven who was actually

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>behind every instance of someone claiming to be the White Wolves,

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>but in at least one of those cases, we knew

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>exactly who it was. The men who murdered Prince Makina

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and Simon Coba in May of nineteen ninety was Peter Grinevald,

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>son of General Teiney Grunevald, South Africa's head of military intelligence.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Peter Grunivald fled the country after the murders, and he

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>spent years hiding in Portugal. When he was finally brought

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to justice. He testified that at the time of the murders,

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he had been an employee of the Civil Cooperation Bureau,

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>just like Leonard Wienenthal. I'm not sure with conclusion to

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>draw here, but the only two people I can say

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>with conclusive proof were telling people that the White Wolves

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>were real. Both turned out to be members of state

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>sponsored death squads. But when it comes to those bombings

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>in July, the police knew it wasn't the White Wolves

0:37:56.320 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>because they knew it was members of the AWB, know

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 2>more specifically that it was members of the closely aligned

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>splinter group, the Ordered Bora Folk. There are a lot

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 2>of reasons why we know that to be true, but

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>just in case, here's Pete Rudolph himself saying it in

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.399
<v Speaker 2>an interview last year.

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>We blew up National Party offices, we attacked some of

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 1>the trade unions, and it was becoming an open war.

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And this was under the flag of the Order bouer Vault.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.760
<v Speaker 5>Under the Order Bafowk, which was started on the tenth

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 5>of October eighteen eighty nine in Connivance and with the

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 5>assistance of the AWB.

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>All three of the men who bombed those UN offices

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 2>in Namibia in nineteen eighty nine, had appeared in South

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Africa by mid nineteen ninety, and all three were actively

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>involved in the Order's bombing campaign that summer, and when

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the police started making arrests in July of nineteen ninety,

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Horse Cleans, Darryl Stopped Fourth and Leonard Fienendal were three

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>of the ten men detained in connection with the bombings.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 2>All ten of those men had ties to AWB. Several

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 2>would later testify that they'd also been members of the

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Order of Death, a group that required members to commit

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>a random, unprovoked murder as an act of initiation. Now

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know what

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>happened next. I tried so hard to sort this out.

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I love a day by day timeline, but I think

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of factors complicating things here. I mean,

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 2>first of all, it was thirty five years ago. Not

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 2>every piece of news has been archived and digitized, and

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>there's probably reporting out there that I just can't access.

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>And there are still the issues I talked about last

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>week when it comes to locating source material in a

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 2>foreign language with naming conventions and cultural context that I

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 2>just don't have. I've noticed a surprisingly casual attitude towards

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 2>spelling and nicknames. I mean, it was incredibly common across

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 2>all of my sources for this story for someone's name

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to be spelled a handful of different ways, pretty interchangeably,

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>sometimes even within the same article. And it seems like

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 2>it might be normal in Afrikaans to refer to a

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>particular individual using their full name, or just their first

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>and middle initial with their last name, or some kind

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>of nickname, even in very formal writing, again totally interchangeably.

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>It took me a week to realize that KOs is

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a nickname for Jacobis and one guy might be written

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 2>about both ways from sentence to sentence.

0:40:58.520 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is cultural, I have no idea, but it

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>really complicates the process of looking for information. I've also

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>noticed dates are often wrong, I mean a lot, like

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>markedly provably wrong, just not consistent from source to source,

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:23.399
<v Speaker 2>sometimes just offering information that isn't possible. I mentioned last

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>week that some of the dates in the Truth and

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Reconciliation Report are definitely not correct. Things like the year

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the BIT commando trials took place are pretty easy to

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 2>corroborate with newspaper archives, and it happens over and over again.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 2>The bombing of the Frei Week Blot office is widely

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 2>reported in later sources to have occurred in nineteen ninety one.

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:46.280
<v Speaker 3>The paper's own.

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.439
<v Speaker 2>Editor, Max Duprees even puts the date as nineteen ninety

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>one in his memoirs, but.

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 3>That's not true. He spoke to a reporter.

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>From The London Times about the bombing the day after

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 2>it happened in July of nineteen ninety and Dubray's writes

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>in his book that Leonard Vnendhal had confessed to having

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>planted that bomb, which again could not have happened in

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one because Leonard Venondal was in prison in

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one, and the confession in question is actually

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>very well documented because Venondal would later testify before the

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he'd only confess to that

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 2>bombing because police interrogators had electrocuted his testicles in July

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety. So sorting out a day by day timeline,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 2>which is again my preferred strategy, really just wasn't possible here.

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>There is no consistently reliable source when it comes to

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>when a particular event actually happened. And I'm not kidding

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.800
<v Speaker 2>about that, the bit about Vnondal claiming to have been tortured.

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>He applied to testify before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.479
<v Speaker 2>not as a purportuse, but as a victim. He offered

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 2>testimony about abuse he'd suffered after his arrest in July

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 6>I then experienced being shocked. Then the current would come

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:22.720
<v Speaker 6>through my legs, through my armpun through my gentiles. Sometimes

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.919
<v Speaker 6>they would come all three together. While this was going,

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 6>he shout at me, why don't I call my God

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 6>to release me from the chain.

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 2>That clip comes from one of the weekly hour long

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 2>broadcasts that aired every Sunday from nineteen ninety six through

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight. Every week South Africans could tune in

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>for the Truth and Reconciliation Special Report, a compilation of

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>clips from the hearings that was presented by Max Dupries,

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper editor whose office Mean and All admitted to bombing,

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and Dupriez ends that segment of the show with his

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>own commentary, I'm.

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 7>Looking forward to mister Finnandah's amnesty, education hearing, and perhaps

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 7>are Departments of Justice and Foreign Affairs of the public

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 7>and explanation why he has not been sent back to

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 7>themobia to stand trial.

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>But back to the question of the missing facts, perhaps

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the biggest factor here is that some of this information

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>just isn't there to find. And I don't mean it's

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>missing from the archives. I mean it doesn't exist. These

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>final years of the apartheid regime were chaotic. Someone might

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>get arrested for terrorism and then there just isn't ever

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>any follow up. I may be searching for answers that

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 2>aren't there, because sometimes Copps would round up a bunch

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>of guys and put a story in the newspaper, and

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>then I don't know, they just aren't in jail anymore

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>and there's never any more to the story. Sometimes people

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:04.439
<v Speaker 2>escaped two members of the Order Boro Folk definitely did.

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:10.359
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes people were quietly released because they secretly worked

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:15.319
<v Speaker 2>for the government. And during this time period especially, the

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 2>government had a strategy of politically targeted amnesty. As part

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of this effort to cool tensions and advanced negotiations, there

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 2>were these occasional releases of political prisoners. They just pick

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>a few guys on both sides of the conflict and

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:36.319
<v Speaker 2>let them go. And unlike the later, more organized and

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 2>thoughtful process of granting amnesty through the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.839
<v Speaker 2>this at least to me, I could be wrong here,

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>but this looked a little haphazard. It doesn't look like

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>these early nineties amnesty releases really involved any sort of

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>long process of thoroughly accounting for what actually happened and

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>documenting the specifics and getting statements on the record, getting

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>people to admit.

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 3>What they'd done.

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>They just sort of let people go. And one of

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the more egregious instances of this was the release of

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Baron Stritum in nineteen ninety two. The men who laughed

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 2>as he shot pedestrians at random, had served just four years,

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and the release of political prisoners was a part of

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the ongoing negotiations between the National Party administration and the

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 2>African National Congress. Both sides were getting some of their

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 2>people out of prison, and the A and C seemed

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.919
<v Speaker 2>generally supportive of the strategy, but not when it came

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 2>to Baron Stritum. Cyril Ramaposa, the current President of South Africa,

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was the A and C General secretary back in nineteen

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.280
<v Speaker 2>ninety two, and he issued their statement condemning the decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Our prisoners will not go out and commit these acts again,

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 2>he said, But there's no guarantee that the prisoners who

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>hate black people will not come out and shoot more

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>black people. Baron Stredam didn't carry out another mass shooting

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 2>after his release, not that I'm aware of, but he

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>did continue to support and encourage far right violence. Shortly

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 2>after his release, Australian journalist Alan Hogan interviewed Stritam about

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the murders on camera, not in a studio or his

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>living room. No, the interview took place as the pair

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 2>walked together along the path that Stridam had taken that day,

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's pointing out the locations, each spot where he

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>took a human life, and he's laughing, and he enthusiastically

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 2>agrees that, Yeah, if you gave me a gun right now,

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I'd do it again, right Glynnland?

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Then I say shut another one.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's three, so that's.

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 6>Free so far.

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 7>You see these couple of bucks sitting here now, if.

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would you like to shake them another time?

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Series All that to say, the early nineties were a

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 2>little chaotic, so I'm comfortable saying I just don't know

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 2>why it looks like no one was ever charged for

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>those bombings in July of nineteen ninety. I can tell

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 2>you for certain that ten members of the Order were

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 2>arrested in the summer of nineteen ninety after that series

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 2>of bombings. One was released after he agreed to cooperate

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:43.959
<v Speaker 2>to escape and Leonard Wienendal, Darryl stopped Forth and Horse

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Cleans were in jail, originally held in connection with the

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 2>bombings for violations of Section twenty nine of the Internal

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Security Act, and they seemed to stay in jail for

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>quite a while. No charges were ever actually filed against

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>them for those bombs in South Africa, but while they

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>were in custody, the newly independent nation of Namibia filed

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 2>a petition to have them extradited to face trial for

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:10.240
<v Speaker 2>those murders.

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The Truth and Reconciliation Report notes in passing that they

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.840
<v Speaker 2>were never interviewed by Namibian authorities during this time period.

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say why, if they asked and weren't given permission,

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or if they just never asked. And I do have

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>articles that were published in nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 2>That seemed to indicate they remained in continuous custody throughout

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 2>this time. But after those first few months, the articles

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>stopped mentioning why they'd been arrested in the first place,

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and they only refer to the fact that they're still

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>being held pending a determination about extradition. By July of

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one, a year after they were arrested, both

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Vinendhal and Clem's were reportedly dangerously ill from an ongoing

0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>hunger strike, along with other incarcerated members they Order moor Folk.

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 3>They were political prisoners.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 2>They said they'd only carried out the orders of the state.

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 2>They can't be prosecuted for that, and they said they

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 2>would continue their hunger strike until their demands were met.

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>News stories show finnandl was on a hunger strike as

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>early as January of ninety one and as late as

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>August of ninety two, So that can't have been continuous.

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Because he's still alive. But for about two years.

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I can place him in jail and he's going on

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>intermittent hunger strikes to protest this continued detention. In April

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety two, a South African judge did rule

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.319
<v Speaker 2>that the Autio three could be extradited to Namibia. Stop

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Fourth and Venandal tried to appeal that ruling, but horse

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Glens wasn't really participating. He just kind of disappeared, and

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 2>when they were all released on bond in December of

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two to await this final ruling, he disappeared entirely.

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>It would take another four years, but in nineteen ninety

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.439
<v Speaker 2>six the Minister of Justice finally signed the extradition order.

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Horst Glen's was otherwise engaged by then. He was serving

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 2>time for the plot will cover next week. But Darrell

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Stopped Fourth and Leonard Venendal were ordered to surrender themselves

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>for extradition to Namibia, but they didn't. I can't figure

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>out where Darryl Stopped Fourth ended up. I tried, but

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I know exactly where Leonard Venandal is because just as

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>he was due to present himself to the authorities to

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>be extradited, he stole the car, crossed the border, and

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>flew to the United Kingdom. Some reporting says he initially

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>entered the United Kingdom using a false passport, probably because

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 2>he was on inner Poll's most wanted list, and that

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 2>he didn't try to claim asylum until after he was caught.

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 3>But it's unclear.

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.799
<v Speaker 2>The man that Eugene Terreblanche used to affectionately refer to

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>as as my little fanatic settled down with his family

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in Wisbeck, a town about one hundred miles north of London.

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.160
<v Speaker 2>He's the chair of the Wisbeck Rugby Club and his

0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>wife Tracy is the treasurer. The payday loan company he

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>started after moving to England went into liquidation a few

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.799
<v Speaker 2>years ago. I'm not really familiar with how anything works

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 2>in the UK, and I really don't know how you

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:27.360
<v Speaker 2>could bankrupt a business that's pure extortionate profit, but that

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:31.319
<v Speaker 2>is what the paperwork appears to show. There's been a

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 2>handful of articles over the years asking why Leonard Wienandal

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 2>was allowed to enter and remain in the United Kingdom.

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and three, a reporter tracked him down

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.839
<v Speaker 2>in his home in Wisbeck, and Searchlight magazine would later

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 2>report that Venandal allegedly attacked the reporter, grabbing him and

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 2>slamming him up against a wall, shouting, you're going to

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 2>find yourself in a very negative position. Subsequent attempts to

0:52:55.480 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>write articles about Vnondal don't contain quotes from him. He

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 2>and his wife are South African citizens born in South Africa.

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.720
<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence he actually applied for political asylum. Corporate

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 2>filings for his bankrupt paid a loan company list his

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 2>nationality as South African, which, again, knowing nothing about British business,

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I assume means he did not seek British citizenship. So

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the UK is just willingly harboring a man who still

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted for two murders in Namibia. International extradition law can

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>be a bit tricky, but ultimately, even if they couldn't

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 2>or don't want to extradite him to Namibia, why is.

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:40.479
<v Speaker 3>He still in the UK.

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 2>They could deport him back to South Africa and presumably

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the South African government would finish what they started in

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety and send him to Namibia. In February of

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 2>this year, as Donald Trump started parroting white nationalist talking

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 2>points about South Africa, min Anddal made a flurry of

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>online posts praising the American President, writing in one post

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 2>last month, thank you President Donald J. Trump, not only

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 2>for hearing the plight of my people, the boor africaners,

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>but for boldly stepping up to stand with them in

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 2>their hour of need and face of adversity.

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>When Jimmy Carter.

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Died in December, Bvenandal posted, he just died, so we're

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 2>supposed to pretend he's a saint. But Carter was instrumental

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>in killing the free, prosperous state of Rhodesia. Like I said,

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you whatever became of Darrell stop Fourth,

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but we'll pick back up next week.

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:39.800
<v Speaker 3>With Horst Cleans.

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 2>He was released from the South African jail in nineteen

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 2>ninety two, pending a decision on whether or not he

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 2>could be extradited to Namibia. Unlike Stop Fourth in Fienandal,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't seem to have participated in the legal battle

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 2>to appeal that decision. He went underground, and he doesn't

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 2>resurface again until nineteen ninety five, or when he's arrested again,

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>this time after a shootout with the South African police

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 2>that left one of his young German mercenaries dead. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where we'll find the woman who set me down

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>this long, strange path. It was Monica Huggett, who was

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:31.680
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